Do any non-corpos actually like AI slop?
I've found that AI has done literally nothing to improve my life in any way and has really just caused endless frustrations. From the enshitification of journalism to ruining pretty much all tech support and customer service, what is the point of this shit?
I work on the Salesforce platform and now I have their dumbass account managers harassing my team to buy into their stupid AI customer service agents. Really, the only AI highlight that I have seen is the guy that made the tool to spam job applications to combat worthless AI job recruiters and HR tools.
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I created a funny AI voice recording of Ben Shapiro talking about cat girls.
Then it was all worth it.
ChatGPT is incredibly good at helping you with random programming questions, or just dumping a full ass error text and it telling you exactly what's wrong.
This afternoon I used ChatGPT to figure out what the error preventing me from updating my ESXi server. I just copy pasted the entire error text which was one entire terminal windows worth of shit, and it knew that there was an issue accessing the zip. It wasn't smart enough to figure out "hey dumbass give it a full file path not relative" but eventually I got there. Earlier this morning I used it to write a cross apply instead of using multiple sub select statements. It forgot to update the order by, but that was a simple fix. I use it for all sorts of other things we do at work too. ChatGPT won't replace any programmers, but it will help them be more productive.
It'll also save the programmers questions from the moderately technically-inclined non-programmers at work! Haha
A lot of papers are showing that the code written by people using ChatGPT have more vulnerabilities and use more obsoleted libraries. Using ChatGPT actively makes you a worse programmer, according to that logic.
Yes. It's not an expert. It feigns this, but it's all lies.
Agree to disagree. If you trust this, you're a fool. Trust me, I've tried for hours asking it about a myriad of tech issues, and it just constantly fucking lies.
It can help you, but NEVER trust it. Never. Google everything it tells you if it's important.
Honestly, if that is your impression, I think you're using it wrong and expecting the wrong results from it.
If you blindly trust it then yeah it will cause problems. But if you know what you're doing, but forget X or Y minor thing here and there, or just need some direction it's amazing.
If AI is for anything it's for DnD campaign art.
Make your NPCs and towns and monsters!
Or helping to come up with some plot hooks in a pinch.
Same. When I've got a session coming upjwithjless than ideal prep time, I've used chat get to help figure out some story beats. Or reframe a movie plot into DnD terms. But more often than not I use the Story Engine Deck to help with writers block. I'd rather support a small company with a useful product than help Sam Altman boil the oceans.
Lol best me to it. For a lot of generic art, even more customized stuff, it works well.
It's also pretty great at giving stars to home brew monsters, or making variations of regular monsters.
I agree, I don’t really use it but I do like some of the memes that came out of it, case in point:
Ah fuck I thought that photo was real.
I thought it was pretty fun to play around with making limericks and rap battles with friends, but I haven't found a particularly usefull use case for LLMs.
I like asking ChatGPT for movie recommendations. Sometimes it makes some shit up but it usually comes through, I've already watched a few flicks I really like that I never would've heard of otherwise
I use it often for grammar and syntax checking
I tried to give it a fair shake at this, but it didn't quite cut it for my purposes. I might be pushing it out of its wheelhouse though. My problem is that, while it can rhyme more or less adequately, it seems to have trouble with meter, and when I do this kind of thing, it revolves around rhyme/meter perfectionism. Of course, if I were trying to actually get something done with it instead of just seeing if it'll come up with something accidentally cool, it would be reasonable to take what it manages to do and refine it. I do understand to some extent how LLMs work, in terms of what tokens are and why this means it can't play Wordle, etc., and I can imagine this also has something to do with why it's bad at tightly lining up syllable counts and stress patterns.
That said, I've had LLMs come up with some pretty dank shit when given the chance: https://vgy.me/album/EJ3yPvM0
Most of it is either the LLMs shitting themselves or GPT doing that masturbatory optimism thing. Da Vinci's "Suspicious mind..." in the second image is a little bit heavyish though. And those last two ("Gangsterland" and "My name is B-Rabbit, I'm down with M.C.s, and I'm on the microphone spittin' hot shit") are god damn funny.
Chat GPT enabled me to automate a small portion of my former job. So that was nice.
It tends to make Lemmy people mad for some reason, but I find GitHub copilot to be helpful.
Burn his witch, boys!
Leave the poor witch alone, he wrote it himself.
But he turned me into a newt!
Personally I use it when I can't easily find an answer online. I still keep some skepticism about the answers given until I find other sources to corroborate, but in a pinch it works well.
because of the way it's trained on internet data, large models like ChatGPT can actually work pretty well as a sort of first-line search engine. My girlfriend uses it like that all the time especially for obscure stuff in one of her legal classes, it can bring up the right details to point you towards googling the correct document rather than muddling through really shitty library case page searches.
especially when you use something with inline citations like bing
Yes:
AI is used extensively in science to sift through gigantic data sets. Mechanical turk programs like Galaxy Zoo are used to train the algorithm. And scientists can use it to look at everything in more detail.
Apart from that AI is just plain fun to play around with. And with the rapid advancements it will probably keep getting more fun.
Personally I hope to one day have an easy and quick way to sort all the images I have taken over the years. I probably only need a GPU in my server for that one.
anyone who uses machine learning like that would probably take issue with it being called AI too
Meh, language evolves. Can't fight it, might as well join them.
I got high and put in prompts to see what insane videos it would make. That was fun. I even made some YouTube videos from it. I also saw some cool & spooky short videos that are basically "liminal" since it's such an inhuman construction.
But generally, no. It's making the internet worse. And as a customer I definitely never want to deal with an AI instead of a human.
100%. I don't need help finding what's on your website. I can find that myself. If I'm contacting customer support it's because my problem needs another brain on it, from the inside. Someone who can think and take action to help me. Might require creativity or flexibility. AI has never helped me solve anything.
Oh I hate those chat bots which just display a list of articles matching keywords in your question.
I think people were already making the internet worse. AI just helps them make it worse faster.
I mean, yeah, but that difference is quite crucial.
People have always wanted to be the top search result without putting effort in, because that brings in ad money.
But without putting effort in, their articles were generally short, had typoes, and there were relatively few such articles.
Now, LLMs allow these same people to pump out hundredfold as much gargage, consisting of lengthy articles in many languages. And because LLMs are specifically trained to produce texts that are human-like, it's difficult for search engines to filter out these bad quality results.
Ive found its made doing end-runs around enshitification easier.
For example Trying to find a front suspension top for a peugeot 206 gti with google means being recommended everything front suspension for the peugeot 207, 208, Vw Gti, Swift Gti... not to mention the websites "Best price on insert what you searched for here" only they sell nothing.
So I ask chat gpt for the part number and search that.
This is exactly the kind of thing that LLMs are good for. I also use them to get quick and concise answers about programming frameworks, instead of trying to triangulate the answer from various anecdotes on stackoverflow, or reading two hours of documentation.
But I figured this kind of thing doesn't count as "slop." OP was talking about the incoherent trash hallucinations, so I left that one out.
In the sense that a forum I am on has had a huge amount of fun doing very silly things with Godzilla, yes.
https://forums.mst3k.com/t/dall-e-fun-with-an-ai/24697/8237
It's best to start at the bottom. We didn't start out with Godzilla when the thread began and it also began in 2022.
8220 posts, the majority Godzilla-related. I haven't done too many lately, but here's a few recent ones:
Tits, on an egg-laying reptile?
I'm not completely sure this is a real photo
How dare you mock a widow in mourning!
Garbage in; garbage out. Using AI tools is a skillset. I've had great use with LLMs and generative AI both, you just have to use the tools to their strengths.
LLMs are language models. People run into issues when they try to use them for things not language related. Conversely, it's wonderful for other tasks. I use it to tone check things I'm unsure about. Or feed it ideas and let it run with them in ways I don't think to. It doesn't come up with too much groundbreaking or new on its own, but I think of it as kinda a "shuffle" button, taking what I have already largely put together, and messing around with it til it becomes something new.
Generative AI isn't going to make you the next mona Lisa, but it can make some pretty good art. It, once again, requires a human to work with it, though. You can't just tell it to spit out an image and expect 100% quality, 100% of the time. Instead, it's useful to get a basic idea of what you want in place, then take it to another proper photo editor, or inpainting, or some other kind of post processing to refine it. I have some degree of aphantasia - I have a hard time forming and holding detailed mental images. This kind of AI approaches art in a way that finally kinda makes sense for my brain, so it's frustrating seeing it shot down by people who don't actually understand it.
I think no one likes any new fad that's shoved down their throats. AI doesn't belong in everything. We already have a million chocolate chip cookie recipes, and chatgpt doesn't have taste buds. Stop using this stuff for tasks it wasn't meant for (unless it's a novelty "because we could" kind of way) and it becomes a lot more palatable.
Preach! I'm surprised to hear it works for people with aphantasia too, and that's awesome. I personally have a very vivid mind's eye and I can often already imagine what I want something to look like, but could never put it to paper in a satisfying way that didn't cost excruciating amount of time. GenAI allows me to do that with still a decent amount of touch up work, but in a much more reasonable timeframe. I'm making more creative work than I've ever been because of it.
It's crazy to me that some people at times completely refuse to even acknowledge such positives about the technology, refuse to interact with it in a way that would reveal those positives, refuse to look at more nuanced opinions of people that did interact with it, refuse even simple facts about how we learn and interact with other art and material, refusing legal realities like the freedom to analyze that allow this technology to exist (sometimes even actively fighting to restrict those legal freedoms, which would hurt more artists and creatives than it would help, and give even more more power to corporations and those with enough capital to self sustain AI model creation).
It's tiring, but luckily it seems to be mostly an issue on the internet. Talking to people (including artists) in real life about it shows that it's a very tiny fraction that holds that opinion. Keep creating 👍
I use perplexity.ai more than google now. I still don’t love it and it’s more of a testament to how far google has fallen than the usefulness of AI, but I do find myself using it to get a start on basic searches. It is, dare I say, good at calorie counting and language learning things. Helps calculate calorie to gram ratios and the math is usually correct. It also helps me with German, since it’s good at finding patterns and how German people typically say what I am trying to say, instead of just running it through a translator which may or not have the correct context.
I do miss the days where I could ask AI to talk like Obama while he’s taking a shit during an earthquake. ChatGPT would let you go off the rails when it first came out. That was a lot of fun and I laughed pretty hard at the stupid scenarios I could come up with. I’m probably the reason the guardrails got added.
i switched to kagi a year ago as i usually need to go through search result. i was astonished at just how dogpoop google search is compared to it.
youtube was even worse, i had to go through 10 unrelated videos to find one slightly relevant one. kagi is usually dont have the latest results but is on point on relevancy.
I looked at kagi but I don’t want to pay for it because I’m a cheap bastard.
Searx uses different search engines to get the best results. There are many public instances or if you can self host, you can run it privately.
yeah i have wanted to try it. will likely do once the kagi subscription is near the renewal.
haha, no shame in that, i was myself hesitant but one day just gave in anger after getting just ad infested garbage from google for work related topic
Last month I typed letter for letter the title of a video I saw on there in YouTube search and it tried so hard to push some other barely related videos, I couldn't believe it. I ended up typing the url manually like some internet cave man
wow, i mean its a free service but the amount of money they make from selling our data they should atleast try to not make us severely hate their product
The things that make us hate it is how they make so much money.
IMO YouTube and social media are both things that would be better as public services than for profit ventures. The things they need to do to make money either make the product shitty (holy shit @ some of the things I've heard from people who don't block ads) or are outright bad for society (misinformation and all).
not happening. bigtech will kill any such attempt by throwing a few millions at senators. these products make close to 100 billions in profit a year. aipac just showed us how wretched our political system is when they get to do a genocide with our money and then get standing ovation from us, and and all that with a lobbying budget of just 300 million
Yeah, this current system looks pretty fucking captured to me.
Some things look like signs that things might not be that bad, like the Google ruling is a step in the right direction. But on the other hand, IMO it wasn't enough of a step and there was a ruling against MS 20 years ago that looked really good until it was just dropped entirely (though apparently the experience did still affect Gates when he was embarrassed about having to explain his position and realizing that most people didn't agree with it).
Today's billionaires don't seem to have that humility anymore, at least not the more prominent ones. Just like the right wing politicians. And all of it enabled by the billionaire-owned media.
well said, totally agree. the depressing thing is that i don’t see this changing in anytime soon or way ahead in future. with ai powered drones working class will have no means to challenge the oligarchy unless they end up fighting and killing each other.
I just tried it and was pleasently surprised.
Depending on your first language I can offer you my assistance as a native german :)
If you want to, pm me or send a message to my email: [email protected]
I am moving to Germany next year. Even though I was born there and my mother taught me some, and I learned it in high school, and I also studied in college in the USA, I cannot speak it worth shit. I’m hoping I pick up some more when I move, but if not maybe my kids can teach me.
I find that I’m just trying to pick up things through osmosis. I watch German youtubers and try to watch a German movie or two every now and then. And then sometimes when I’m talking I try to directly translate what I’m saying in my head, and assuming I know the words, I usually fuck up the order, article, or tense.
I say all that to say that my current workflow is already overwhelming and I’m on a bit of a time crunch. I do really need to surround myself with native speakers and listen to them more. I will reach out. Thanks!
If you want more recommendation for german yt content, what are some general interests if you?
For example comedic story telling, memes, game/talk shows, technical etc.?
Edit:
We have two foreign colleagues at work. One being from Syria and one from Russia. Both at the time of starting broke relatively broken German but thwy improved soo much since I met them. One of them did go to a german language school. And even after 6 years some errors are made. Nothing to worry about if you can get the idea across.
I use silly tavern for character conversations, pretty fun. I have SD forge for Pomy diffusion, and use Suno and Udio. Almost all of that goes to DND, the rest for personal recreation. Google and openai all fail to meet my use cases and if I cuss they get mad so fuck em. I never use those for making money or any other personal progression, that would be wrong.
The image generators have been great for making token art for my dnd campaign. Other than that, no.
I use it all the time, to translate, explain, give guides, write code, do repetitive menial tasks, fix code, understand others code.
I get the hatred for it, but I use it almost every day.
I agree, but I'm the spirit of the question, do you work in a corporate environment?
Unfortunately. But I also use my corpo AI accounts for personal stuff too, because it's immune to being used for training.
Don't corpo accounts leave logs for auditing though? I wouldn't like HR going over my personal notes I (accidentally) shared there.
Yeah, sure, but with like 2k employees, they will only look if there are issues with me. Having worked in the IT industry for a long time, I've only once or twice had to dig into shit like that for HR and it was only when the person did something bad.
There's a handful of actual good use-cases. For example, Spotify has a new playlist generator that's actually pretty good. You give it a bunch of terms and it creates a playlist of songs from those terms. It's just crunching a bunch of data to analyze similarities with words. That's what it's made for.
It's not intelligence. It's a data crunching tool to find correlations. Anyone treating it like intelligence will create nothing more than garbage.
You can whip up a whole album of aggressively mid music just cyberbullying the shit out of one person.
New social fear unlocked.
I think it's great that you found AI helpful with your hobbies.
If you specifically mean LLM/GenAI:
If you mean anything that utilizes machine learning ("AI" is a buzzword), then "AI" technology has been used to help scientists and doctors do their jobs better since the mid 90s
Thanks for the goblin tools link, that site looks really helpful for breaking down big tasks into small steps!
Goblin.tools was pretty neat
Generative AI has been an absolute game changer in my retouching work. Slightly worrying that it'll put me out of work sometime in the future, but for now it's saving me loads of time, handling the boring stuff so I can concentrate on the stuff it can't do.
My primary use of AI is for programming and debugging. It's a great way to get boilerplate code blocks, bootstrap scripts, one-liner shell commands, creating regular expressions etc. More often than not, I've also learned new things because it ends up using something new that I didn't know about, or approaches I didn't know were possible.
I also find it's a good tool to learn about new things or topics. It's very flexible in giving you a high level summary, and then digging deeper into the specifics of something that might interest you. Summarizing articles, and long posts is also helpful.
Of course, it's not always accurate, and it doesn't always work. But for me, it works more often than not and I find that valuable.
Like every technology, it will follow the Gartner Hype Cycle. We are definitely in the times of "everything-AI" or AI for everything - but I'm sure things will calm down and people will find it valuable for a number of specific things.
I have a local instance of Stable Diffusion that I use to make art for MtG proxies. Prior to AI my art was limited to geometric designs and edits of existing pieces. Integrating AI into my work flow has expanded my abilities greatly, and my art experience means that I can do more with it than just prompt engineering.
I for one welcome our new overlords. (for the funny only)
When it just came out I had AI write fanfiction that no sane person would write, and other silly things. I liked that. That and trail cam photos of the Duolingo mascot.
I think my complaints are more with how capitalism treats new technology, though-- and not just lost jobs and the tool on the climate. Greed and competition is making it worse and worse as a technology that AI itself, within a years span, has been enshittified. There are use cases that it can do a world of good, though, just like everything else bad people ruin.
Even before AI the corps have been following a strategy of understaffing with the idea that software will make up for it and it hasn't. Its beyond the pale the work I have to do now for almost anything I do related to the private sector (work as their customer not as an employee).
Depends on what you mean by "like" lol
It's nice to generate images of settings for my d&d campaign.
It's nice that I can replace Google/Siri with something I run and control locally, for controlling my home.
But those aren't really important things
What are you using for your home automation and what are you running it on?
I'm still specing it out. I was gonna get some dedicated hardware but I think I'll just use my old gaming PC and buy a new one lol.
Planning to use Home Assistant and their support for local ollama.
It helps make simple code when Im feeling lazy at work and need to get something out the door.
In personal life, I run a local llm server with SillyTavern, and get into some kinky shit that often makes for an intense masturbation session. Sorry not sorry.
An LLM (large language model, a.k.a. an AI whose output is natural language text based on a natural language text prompt) is useful for the tasks when you're okay with 90% accuracy generated at 10% of the cost and 1,000% faster. And where the output will solely be used in-house by yourself and not served to other people. For example, if your goal is to generate an abstract for a paper you've written, AI might be the way to go since it turns a writing problem into a proofreading problem.
The Google Search LLM which summarises search results is good enough for most purposes. I wouldn't rely on it for in-depth research but like I said, it's 90% accurate and 1,000% faster. You just have to be mindful of this limitation.
I don't personally like interacting with customer service LLMs because they can only serve up help articles from the company's help pages, but they are still remarkably good at that task. I don't need help pages because the reason I'm contacting customer service to begin with is because I couldn't find the solution using the help pages. It doesn't help me, but it will no doubt help plenty of other people whose first instinct is not to read the f***ing manual. Of course, I'm not going to pretend customer service LLMs are perfect. In fact, the most common problem with them seems to be that they go "off the script" and hallucinate solutions that obviously don't work, or pretend that they've scheduled a callback with a human when you request it, but they actually haven't. This is a really common problem with any sort of LLM.
At the same time, if you try to serve content generated by an LLM and then present it as anything of higher quality than it actually is, customers immediately detest it. Most LLM writing is of pretty low quality anyway and sounds formulaic, because to an extent, it was generated by a formula.
Consumers don't like being tricked, and especially when it comes to creative content, I think that most people appreciate the human effort that goes into creating it. In that sense, serving AI content is synonymous with a lack of effort and laziness on the part of whoever decided to put that AI there.
But yeah, for a specific subset of limited use cases, LLMs can indeed be a good tool. They aren't good enough to replace humans, but they can certainly help humans and reduce the amount of human workload needed.
ChatGPT has mostly replaced tradsearch for me, at least when I'm looking for something that can't be accurately described in 2-3 words
I like it for more obscure things where the context is needed to filter out results because the words themselves get too many hits.
But I've also had issues with accuracy, like asking for help with syntax for an obscure scripting language application (think like lua where a specific context added an API and wanting information about that API).
It seemed like it knew what it was talking about, but turns out none of the syntax it gave were real argument names, they couldn't be split up into seperate lines like it claimed, and the way scope worked was off. Though it was enough to get me to a decent place where correcting everything didn't take very long.
Edit: I also like to use it to fact check comments before I post them. You can just copy paste the comment and ask it to comment on the accuracy to add a quick but basic peer review.
Yeah absolutely don't just paste in IDE and hit compile, but it usually gets you going in the right direction even if it gets some of the specifics wrong. Sometimes I don't even know what to call the concept I'm looking for and describe my understanding of what I want in a fair amount of detail. Goofle can do fuckall with that, whereas GPT will say "It sounds like you probably mean..." and at least give me a starting point or a phrase to search in the docs.
Tbh it’s made a pretty significant improvement in my life as a software developer. Yeah, it makes shit up/generates garbage code sometimes, but if you know how to read code, debug, and program in general, it really saves a lot of grunt work and tedious language barriers. It can also be a solid rubber duck for debugging.
Basically any time I just need a little script to take x input and give me y output, or a regex, I’ll have ChatGPT write it for me.
A lot of the time I get 3/4 of the way through writing a prompt and don't bother hitting enter because I already figured it out. Great way to get your thoughts organized to have an incentive to put them down in writing.
I love chatgpt, and am dumbfounded at all the AI hate on lemmy. I use it for work. It's not perfect, but helps immensely with snippets of code, as well as learning STEM concepts. Sometimes I've already written some code that I remember vaguely, but it was a long time ago and I need to do it again. The time it would take to either go find my old code, or just research it completely again, is WAY longer than just asking chatgpt. It's extremely helpful, and definitely faster for what I'd already have to do.
I guess it depends on what you use it for ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
I hope it continues to improve. I hope we get full open source. If I could "teach" it to do certain tasks someday, that would be friggin awesome.
It's done a lot of bad/annoying things but I'd be lying if I said it hasn't enabled me to completely sidestep the enshittification of Google. You have to be smart about how you use it but at least you don't have to wade through all the SEO slop to find what you want.
And it's good for weird/niche questions. I used it the other day to find a list of meme songs that have very few/simple instruments so that I could find midi files for them that would translate well when going through Rust's in-game instruments. I seriously doubt I'd find a list like that on Google, even without the enshittification.
I used it the other day to spit out a ~150 line python script. It worked flawlessly on the first try.
I don’t know python.
It might not work so flawlessly on the 2nd, 3rd, or 100th time though. I use ChatGPT semi-frequently for coding, while it generally does a surprisingly good job, I often find things it overlooks, and need to keep prompting it for further refinements, or just fix it myself.
Yeah I’ve had to go back and fix (re prompt) some things like this in the past.
The headline is that it helps me code things far faster than if I was doing it myself. And sometimes saves me 100% of the work.
Theres someone I sometimes encounter in a discord Im in that makes a hobby of doing stuff with them (from what I gather seeing it, they do more with it that just asking them for a prompt and leaving them at that, at least partly because it doesnt generally give them something theyre happy with initially and they end up having to ask the thing to edit specific bits of it in different ways over and over until it does). I dont really understand what exactly it is this entails, as what they seem to most like making it do is code "shaders" for them that create unrecognizable abstract patterns, but they spend a lot of time talking at length about technical parameters of various models and what they like and dont like about them, so I assume the guy must find something enjoyable in it all. That being said, using it as a sort of strange toy isnt really the most useful use case.
I think it’s a fun toy that is being misused and forced into a lot of things it isn’t ready for.
I’m doing a lot with AI but it’s pretty much slop. I use self hosted stable diffusion, Ollama, and whisper for a discord bot, code help, writing assistance, and I pay elevenlabs for TTS so I can talk to it. It’s been pretty useful. It’s all running on an old computer with a 3060. Voice chat is a little slow and has its own problems but it’s all been fun to learn.
Boilerplate code (the stuff you usually have to copy anyway from GitHub) and summarising long boring articles. That's the use case for me. Other than that I agree - and having done AI service agent coding myself for fun I can seriously say that I would not trust it to run a business service without a human in the loop
It helps when writing a lot of boilerplate or if I’m being lazy and want to solve something. However I do not need AI in everything I use. It seems everyone wants AI in their product whilst it’s doing the same thing everyone else is doing.
It can be such a different experience editing/touching something up rather than having to create it wholesale where it can often take on a life of its own and takes so much more time
I've enjoyed some of the absurd things out can come up with. Surreal videos and memes (every president as a bodybuilder wrestler). However it's never been useful and the cost isn't worth the benefit, to me.
Do I think it's generally useful? No, not at all.
But for very specific purposes it's worth considering as an option.
Text-to-image generation has been worth it to get a jumping-off point for a sketch, or to get a rough portrait for a D&D character.
Regular old ChatGPT has been good on a couple occasions for humor (again D&D related; I asked it for a "help wanted" ad in the style of newspaper personals and the result was hilariously campy)
In terms of actual problem solving... There have been a couple instances where, when Google or Stack Overflow haven't helped, I've asked it for troubleshooting ideas as a last resort. It did manage to pinpoint the issue once, but usually it just ends up that one of the topics or strategies it floats prove to be useful after further investigation. I would never trust anything factual without verifying, or copy/paste code from it directly though.
To me it's glorified autocomplete. I see LLM as a potencial way of drastically lowering barrier of entry to coding. But I'm at a skill level that coercing a chatbot into writing code is a hiderance. What I need is good documentation and good IDE statical analysis.
I'm still waiting on a good, IDE integrated, local model that would be capable of more that autompleting a line of code. I want it to generate the boiler plate parts of code and get out of my way of solving problems.
What I don't want, is a fucking chatbot.
I have horrible spelling and sometimes write in an archaic register. I also often write in a way that sounds rather aggressive which is not my intention most of the time. Ai helps me rewrite that shit and makes me more sensitive to tone in written text.
Of course just like normal spell check and auto completion feature one still needs to read it a final time.
If used in the specific niche use cases its trained for, as long as its used as a tool and not a final product. For example, using AI to generate background elements of a complete image. The AI elements aren't the focus, and should be things that shouldn't matter, but it might be better to use an AI element rather than doing a bare minimum element by hand. This might be something like a blurred out environment background behind a peice of hand drawn character art - otherwise it might just be a gradient or solid colour because it isn't important, but having something low-quality is better than having effectively nothing.
In a similar case, for multidisciplinary projects where the artists can't realistically work proficiently in every field required, AI assets may be good enough to meet the minimum requirements to at least complete the project. For example, I do a lot of game modding - I'm proficient with programming, game/level design, and 3D modeling, but not good enough to make dozens of textures and sounds that are up to snuff. I might be able to dedicate time to make a couple of most key resources myself or hire someone, but seeing as this is a non-commercial, non-monitized project I can't buy resources regularly. AI can be a good enough solution to get the project out the door.
In the same way, LLM tools can be good if used as a way to "extend" existing works. Its a generally bad idea to rely entirely on them, but if you use it to polish a sentence you wrote, come up with phrasing ideas, or write your long if-chain for you, then it's a way of improving or speeding up your work.
Basically, AI tools as they are, should be seen as another tool by those in or adjacent to the related profession - another tool in the toolbox rather than a way to replace the human.
It’s really helped me get recipes without website ads overtaxing my old surface.
To me AI is useless. Its not intelligent, its just a blender that blends up tons of results into one hot steaming mug of "knowledge". If you toss a nugget of shit into a smoothie while it's being blended, it's gonna taste like shit. Considering the amount of misinformation on the internet, everything AI spits out is shit.
It is purely derivative, devoid of any true originality with vague facade of intelligence in an attempt to bypass existing copyright law.
Your last line pretty much sums up my feelings entirely.
That thought process would say patent law was incorrect though right? If you break something down to parts and say, well all those parts exist on their own, you just reordered them so you never created anything new. A fun case people refer to was against Ford I believe, when they tried to steal the intermittent windshield wiper idea from someone by claiming that resistors already existed, it was just placed elsewhere, so he couldn't claim it as a new invention. Ford lost and had to pay to use the idea.
I see it as the same premise. All programming and language breaks down to words that already exist, so either rearranging them and using them in a new manner is a new work, or none of it is. Thereby saying all books, music, and code wouldn't be able to have copyrights or patents. Which I believe that would cause a bit of chaos.
Intelligence is defined as the ability to acquire, understand and use knowledge. Self-driving cars, for example, are intelligent and they run by AI too.
it’s useful for programming from time to time. But not for asking open questions. I’ve found having to double check is too unnerving and letting it just provide the links instantly is more my way of working. Other than that it sometimes sketches things out when I have no idea what to do, so all in all it’s a glorified search engine for me.
Other than work I despise writing emails and reports and it fluffs them up. I usually have to edit them afterwards to not make em look ai-made but it adds some „substance“.
Its great for documentation like APIs and it really makes a difference
to copy my own comment from another similar thread:
I’m an idiot with no marketable skills. I put boxes on shelves for a living. I want to be an artist, a musician, a programmer, an author. I am so bad at all of these, and between having a full time job, a significant other, and several neglected hobbies, I don’t have time to learn to get better at something I suck at. So I cheat. If I want art done, I could commission a real artist, or for the cost of one image I could pay for dalle and have as many images as I want (sure, none of them will be quite what I want but they’ll all be at least good). I could hire a programmer, or I could have chatgpt whip up a script for me since I’m already paying for it anyway since I want access to dalle for my art stuff. Since I have chatgpt anyway, I might as well use it to help flesh out my lore for the book I’ll never write. I haven’t found a good solution for music.
I have in my brain a vision for a thing that is so fucking cool (to me), and nobody else can see it. I need to get it out of my brain, and the only way to do that is to actualize it into reality. I don’t have the skills necessary to do it myself, and I don’t have the money to convince anyone else to help me do it. generative AI is the only way I’m going to be able to make this work. Sure, I wish that the creators of the content that were stolen from to train the ai’s were fairly compensated. I’d be ok with my chatgpt subscription cost going up a few dollars if that meant real living artists got paid, I’m poor but I’m not broke.
These are the opinions of an idiot with no marketable skills.
I went for a routine dental cleaning today and my dentist integrated a specialized AI tool to help identify cavities and estimate the progress of decay. Comparing my x-rays between the raw image and the overlay from the AI, we saw a total of 5 cavities. Without the AI, my dentist would have wanted to fill all of them. With the AI, it was narrowed down to 2 that need attention, and the others are early enough that they can be maintained.
I'm all for these types of specialized AIs, and hope to see even further advances in the future.
umm its very much standard ml+vision that has been there for a decade. companies are now just marketing it like crazy, trying to ride the ai hype.
Maybe, maybe not. Neither you or I are familiar enough with it to say one way or another.
I use ChatGpt to ask programming questions, it’s not always correct but neither is Stack Overflow nowadays. At least it will point me in the right direction.
ChatGPT actually explains the code and can answer questions about it and doesn't make snarky comments about how your question is a duplicate of sixteen other posts which kind of intersect to do what you want but not in a clean way.
At least it won’t get angry at you for asking a question
I use ChatGPT and Copilot as search engines, particularly for programming concepts or technical documentation. The way I figure, since these AI companies are scraping the internet to train these models, it’s incredibly likely that they’ve picked up some bit of information that Google and DDG won’t surface because SEO.
It's great for parsing through the enshittified journalism. You know the classic recipe blog trope? If you ask chatgpt for a recipe, it just gives you one. Whether it's good or not is a different story, but chatgpt is leagues better at getting to the info you want than search has been for the last decade.
It's ironic that GenAI is great for solving a problem it caused. It's like hiring a gangster to take you through gangster-controlled territory.
I wouldn't say GenAI caused that problem, I'd say it was advertising practices and the structure of key words prioritizing responses in search engines.
I work on a 20+ year knowledge base for a big company that has had no real content management governance for pretty much that whole time.
We knew there was duplicate content in that database, but were talking about thousands of articles, with several more added daily.
With such a small team, identifying duplicate/redundant content was just an ad-hoc thing that could never be tackled as a whole without a huge amount of resources.
AI was able to comb through everything and find hundreds of articles with duplicate/redundant content within a few hours. Now we have a list of articles we can work through and clean up.
That's a bit loaded question. By AI I assume you're refering to GenAI/LLMs rather than AI broadly.
spellingpronunciation.To nitpick a bit, you're probably thinking of pronunciation. Spelling is written, not spoken.
I like being able to generate porn.
Not that I can’t just, you know, FIND porn, but there’s something really fun about trying to generate an image just right, tweaking settings and models until you get the result you’re after.
/shrug
I usually keep abreast of the scene so I'll give a lot of stuff a try. Entertainment wise, making music and images or playing dnd with it is fun but the novelty tends to wear off. Image gen can be useful for personal projects.
Work wise, I mostly use it to do deep dives into things like datasheets and libraries, or doing the boring coding bits. I verify the info and use it in conjunction with regular research but it makes things a lot easier.
Oh, also tts is fun. The actor who played Dumbledore reads me the news and Emma Watson tells me what exercise is next during my workout, although some might frown on using their voices without consent.
I use LLMs for multiple things, and it's useful for things that are easy to validate. E.g. when you're trying to find or learn about something, but don't know the right terminology or keywords to put into a search engine. I also use it for some coding tasks. It works OK for getting customized usage examples for libraries, languages, and frameworks you may not be familiar with (but will sometimes use old APIs or just hallucinate APIs that don't exist). It works OK for things like "translation" tasks; such as converting a MySQL query to a PostGres query. I tried out GitHub CoPilot for a while, but found that it would sometimes introduce subtle bugs that I would initially overlook, so I don't use it anymore. I've had to create some graphics, and am not at all an artist, but was able to use transmission1111, ControlNet, Stable Diffusion, and Gimp to get usable results (an artist would obviously be much better though). RemBG and works pretty well for isolating the subject of an image and removing the background too. Image upsampling, DLSS, DTS Neural X, plant identification apps, the blind-spot warnings in my car, image stabilization, and stuff like that are pretty useful too.
So I'm really bad about remembering to add comments to my code, but since I started using githubs ai code assistant thing in vs code, it will make contextual suggestions when you comment out a line. I've even gone back to stuff I made ages ago, and used it to figure out what the hell I was thinking when I wrote it back then 😆
It's actually really helpful.
I feel like once the tech adoption curve settles down, it will be most useful in cases like that: contextual analysis
Its really good for all kinds scams.
So...
Low Tier / Wannabe Corpos?
I've been finding it useful for altering recipes to take my wife's allergies into account. I don't use it for much else. And certainly not for anything important.
The only things I use and I know they have AI are Spotify recommendations, live captions on videos and DLSS. I don't find generative AI to be interesting, but there's nothing wrong with machine learning itself imo if it's used for things that have purpose.
Its funny to fuck around with, in the same way its funny ask a bible bot for Judges 15-16 and watching the bot get autobanned for saying ass.
thats about all it is though, a stupid silly thing to fuck around with.
Shouldnt be a production/human replacement thing.
I hate that it monetized general knowledge that use to be easily searchable then repackaged it as some sort of black box randomizer.
Regardless of how useful some might find it, there isn’t a single use case that justifies the environmental cost (not to mention the societal cost). None. Stop using it. You were able to survive and function without it 2 years ago, and you still can.
This is like saying you can't play video games because it costs electricity and you can go without. You can say it about literally everything that isn't strictly necessary to live. AI isn't just LLMs and only LLMs have a high environmental cost, and unless you are literally wasting the output like the big tech companies are, even that can be justified for the right reasons.
Hey man, why are we using the internet, don't you see this is bad for the environment, while your at it. stop wearing clothes! Our ancestors were able to get by with just our body hair, we're ruining nature.
That's how I read the post above you.
Yes, exactly. And I don't even disagree with making things better on the environment. It's why I dislike LLMs being pushed into random things that don't really need it. And if more efficient models exist, they should preferably be used.
But using AI to make your life a little better also brings positives that outweigh that cost. And it seems like as a society we have much bigger polluters to take care of that use orders more electricity and water, and we already struggle massively doing just that. So it really feels like misdirected anger towards the unfairness in society (which the societal cost they mentioned also seems to point to) than a real criticism of AI. And I can understand that anger, but not the mindset behind the conclusions derived from it.
Fully Agree.
You are not aware of the cost (which has been widely documented) if you believe that.
Do feel free to explain what you mean and why, because this comment literally has nothing for me to even respond to.
EDIT: And if you meant the water cost, you can read my rationale on that here.
sounds like a frog in a saucepan.. sure is getting warmer!
yeah, but it's all about how we use the technology. because we can absolutely find a solution to our climate problem by using what we have today. Tech is definitely a double edged sword and we're just using it wrong. all because of greed and corruption. And that's what we definitely need to solve, greed and corruption, and not go all Pol Pot on tech.
The earth has been warming for decades at this point, even before AI. We know what causes climate change and AI has so far been a footnote on a large list of unsolved problems. The moment that changes I'll be right there with you, but I'm far more interested in taking down the companies that are largely responsible for it. This logic follows that just living life as a human is unethical because you can't be environmentally neutral in today's society, and I reject that notion.
its the speed of the change innit. for example, the fact that google power requirements has increase 50% in the last year must have a tremendous impact.
And Google as one of the largest companies in the world should be held fully responsible for that. But Google isn't everyone. Google also has a huge amount of computers under their name, but does that mean everyone with a computer should be held to the same standards because it's the same technology?
If sweeping conclusions are going to be made about the technology, it has to be looked at outside of the context of a specific company and how they implement and use AI. Otherwise, it should be specified that this is a criticism of specific companies and how they use AI, and I'd be totally there agreeing with you in the case of Google.
I was talking about LLMs. If you can find a search engine that still works, and look at where we’re at in the destruction of our planetary life support systems, and the colossal amounts of energy and water required for LLMs, then you might revisit your opinion.
I already know of the stats you speak of, and it's not nothing. But as I explain below, on the scale of other pollutants and for how widespread it's usage is, it is a footnote. There are far bigger fish to fry first when it comes to reducing water usage and energy usage.
Lets look up some stats together. Most sources agree that we use about 4 trillion cubic meters of water every year worldwide (Although, this stat is from 2015 most likely, and so it will be bigger now). In 2022, using the stats here Microsoft used 1.7 billion gallons per year, and Google 5.56 billion gallons per year. In cubic meters that's only 23.69 million cubic meters. That's only 0.00059% of the worldwide water usage. Meanwhile agriculture uses 70%. Granted not every country uses 70%, but a 1% gain there overshadows any current and even future usage.
And even if we just look at the US, since that's where Google and Microsoft are based, which uses 322 billion gallons of water every day, resulting in about 445 billion cubic meters per year, that's still 0.00532%. So it's not hugely significant inside the US either, we can have 187 more Googles and Microsofts before we even top a single percentage.
There are plenty of other hobbies that are also terrible for the environment but we don't tackle them because like AI it would be a drop in the bucket. Honestly ask yourself, if AI was such a big issue and would threaten lives, why is nobody actually taking serious measures for it? Why are there no public campaigns to get people to stop using AI to save the water? It's because the stats are concerning, but not significantly so, and if the stats don't actually back up the position that AI usage is slowly sucking us dry, people don't stand behind it. If the advancement of AI allows us to save more lives through medical research, or allows us to farm more efficiently, it can easily pay back it's investment. And those things outweigh the negatives.
However, as I've stated multiple times below, I despise the wasteful usage of AI, and therefore you won't see me praising Bing or Google for their usage of AI in a way that makes no sense and just wastes resources. But the technology exists for everyone, not just those companies. There are more sustainable LLM models than GPT-4, and OpenAI can rightfully be criticized for not prioritizing efficiency rather that bigger and more power hungry models.
EDIT: Added US comparison EDIT2: Double checked some of the math
Governments aren’t taking measures for a whole bunch of things that threaten lives. Infinite (exponential) growth on a finite world isn’t possible and we’re hitting or overshooting several planetary boundaries. We should be scaling things back (if we want a livable world), not pushing down harder on the gas pedal, which LLMs are doing. And Sam Altman went to the emirates asking for Trillions to scale LLMs. All of this for a little more convenience when tackling mostly mundane tasks.
Again - if this is your argument - then the vast majority of things humans do would be "pushing down harder on the gas pedal". Excluding AI, more people get born every year, water usage also increases every year, electricity usage too. Even if you got rid of all AI right now you would have to overcome those much more significant increases to make a difference. It just doesn't even make a dent. And it has to, if you want it to actually reduce the impact of climate change and resource depletion.
The world does not stand still, even if we did everything we should to stop climate change. Technology that can change the world and facilitates happier, healthier humans is not a bad thing for a reasonable price. And as I just explained in detail, that price is not that significant in the grand scheme of things. Hence why there is no significant public outrage from this.
If you're going to hold this position, you should really stick to the biggest polluters, which as you agree, are not getting enough pushback. I agree with that as well, and I would happily stand by your side here. But if someone is handing out pie, and you think everyone should be angry at someone taking 0.00532% of the pie, that is horribly ineffective at actually getting the change we need. Since basically nobody reasonable is going to agree with you. While for the larger polluters it is easily self evident they need it, and we still have a lot of trouble with that.
I don't know how many times I have to say this, but I don't like the big tech companies use of AI. That does not say anything about the technology at large though. Screw OpenAI and Sam Altman. If your criticism is purely aimed at wasteful conduct by big companies, I'm all there with you. But there are so many smaller companies that also use AI and LLMs.
https://climatejustice.social/@breadandcircuses/113425051624138799
Then the use of AI advancements in medicine is right out then too? I pretty sure the radiologist that has looked at my MRI this past week looking for lung damage, (thanks long covid!), used it in some form. And my Wife's upcoming mammogram will also use some form of AI to assist in diagnosis. Or the scheduling department for these appointments that used their own type of AI to manage 1000's of appointments per month and year. And this is just one example where AI is quickly becoming indispensable.
AI can be tremendously useful for somethings and useless for other things. Painting with such a large brush like you do makes you no better than those tech bros who push AI for everything to make it all more impressive sounding.
Carp: edit for missed letter
There are plenty of specialized “AIs” that are useful and come at a reasonable environmental and societal cost. LLMs are simply an ecological nightmare that arrive at a time where we’re already on the brink of a total breakdown of the biophysical systems that keep us alive. It’s sheer madness.
Your original inference was that no AI was useful at all and all should be banned.
I think it’s pretty clear that OP was referring to the current onslaught of LLMs.
It's great at summarization and translations.
Might want to rethink the summarization part.
AI also hasn’t made any huge improvements in machine translation AFAIK. Translators still get hired because AI can’t do the job as well.
Thank you for pointing that out. I don't use it for anything critical, and it's been very useful because Kagi's summarizer works on things like YouTube videos friends link which I don't care enough to watch. I speak the language pair I use DeepL on, but DeepL often writes more natively than I can. In my anecdotal experience, LLMs have greatly improved the quality of machine translation.
So basically this study concludes that Llama2-70B with basic prompting is not as good as humans at summarizing documents submitted to the Australian government by businesses, and its summaries are not good enough to be useful for that purpose. But there are some pretty significant caveats here, most notably the relative weakness of the model they used (I like Llama2-70B because I can run it locally on my computer but it's definitely a lot dumber than ChatGPT), and how summarization of government/business documents is likely a harder and less forgiving task than some other things you might want a generated summary of.
Please share any studies you have showing AI is better than a person at summarizing complex information.
If it wasn't clear, I am not claiming that AI is better than a person at summarizing complex information.
My bad for misunderstanding you.
Until it makes shit up that the original work never said.
The services I use, Kagi's autosummarizer and DeepL, haven't done that when I've checked. The downside of the summarizer is that it might remove some subtle things sometimes that I'd have liked it to keep. I imagine that would occur if I had a human summarize too, though. DeepL has been very accurate.
LLMs are especially bad for summarization for the use case of presenting search results. The source is just as critical of information for search as the information itself, and LLMs obfuscate this critical source information and combine results from multiple sources together...
LLMs are TERRIBLE at summarization
Downvoters need to read some peer reviewed studies and not lap up whatever BS comes from OpenAI who are selling you a bogus product lmao. I too was excited for summarization use-case of AI when LLMs were the new shiny toy, until people actually started testing it and got a big reality check
tl;dr?
I like to make karaoke tracks of music I like using an AI vocal remover. Other than that, no.
Results do vary, but if we're talking that universal vocal remover, it definitely seems to be a competent enough program.
Erotic Roleplay. You're welcome?
It's funny you mention this, but the erotic roleplay aspect of llms is a thriving business generating millions of dollars every month now in subscription costs.
We've barely even scratching the surface of what these models can do and they're increasing in usage at an exponential rate.
Chatgpt is decidedly unerotic in its responses.
Llama 3.1 Sao10K Hanami. Youre welcome.
What I was fishing for. Thanks.
My corp has been very skeptical and suspicious. So far the only allowed ai is to summarize slack. For channels that I want to keep in the loop but not waste time monitoring, it creates a nice summary of recent traffic.
I was trying to help one guy who used an online ai despite it being against policy. However he was just using it as a search engine to find a code solution and it took way too long to give him the wrong answer. A search engine would have been faster but he’d have to use his own judgement to identify the wrong answer. Pretty arrogant guy despite not knowing what he was doing, so I didn’t fight it when he insisted he was going to follow what it told him
I have found ChatGPT to be better than Google for random questions I have, asking for general advice in a whole bunch of things but sido what to go for other sources. I also use it to extrapolate data, come up with scheduling for work (I organise some volunteer shifts) and lots of excel formulae.
Sometimes it’s easier to check ChatGPT’s answers, ask follow up questions, look at the sources it provides and live with the occasional hallucinations than to sift through the garbage pile that google search has become.
Playing with it on my own computer, locally hosting it and running it offline, has been pretty cool. I find it really impressive when it's something open source and community driven. I also think there are a lot of useful applications for things that are traditionally not solvable with traditional programming.
However a lot of the pushed corporate AI feels not that useful, and there's something about it that really rubs me the wrong way.
I used to spend 1 month a year where all I did was write performance reports on people I supervise. Now I put the facts in let AI write the first draft, do some editing and I'm done in a week.
I think this speaks more to the usefulness of performance reports than the usefulness of GenAI
I use it for coding (rarely pure copy paste), explaining code, use/examples, finding tools to use. Better translation than Google translate for Japanese. Asking for things that search engines only gives generic results for.
For the most part it's not useful, at least not the way people use it most of the time.
It's an engine for producing text that's most like the text it's seen before, or for telling you what text it's seen before is most like the text you just gave it.
When it comes to having a conversation, it can passibly engage in small talk, or present itself as having just skimmed the Wikipedia article on some topic.
This is kinda nifty and I've actually recently found it useful for giving me literally any insignificant mental stimulation to keep me awake while feeding a baby in the middle of the night.
Using it to replace thinking or interaction gives you a substandard result.
Using it as a language interface to something else can give better results.
I've seen it used as an interface to a set of data collection interfaces, where all it needed to know how to do was tell the user what things they could ask about, and then convert their responses into inputs for the API, and show them the resulting chart. Since it wasn't doing anything to actually interpret the data, it never came across as "wrong".
We are going to burn the planet to make a shitty chat bot.
I needed instructions on how to downgrade the firmware of my Unifi UDR because they pushed a botched update. I searched for a while and could only find vague references to SSH and upgrading.
They had a “Unifi GPT” bot so I figured what the hell. I asked “how to downgrade udr firmware to stable”. It gave me effective step by step instructions on how to enable SSH, SSH in and what commands to run to do so. Worked like a charm.
So yeah, I think the problem is we’re in the hype era of LLMs. They’re being over applied at lots of things they aren’t good at. But it’s extremism in the other direction to say there aren’t functions they can do well.
They are at least better than your average canned chat/search bot or ill informed CSR at finding an answer to your question. I think they can help with lots of frustrating or opaque computer related tasks, or at least point you in the right direction or surface something you might not be able to find easily otherwise.
They just aren’t going to write programs for you or do your office job for you like execs think they will.
Well I use AI to generate Happy Birthday images with the persons name in the greetings.
that's gotta count, right?
I like some of the art. Especially things that would be difficult or almost impossible for a human to do.
One of the more interesting ones is horror. AI is super good at making uncanny or gross stuff that most people wouldn't even think to make.
There are plenty of uses for it. There are also plenty of bad implementations that don't use it in a way that helps anyone.
We're going through an overhyped period currently but we'll see actual uses in a few years once the dust settles. About 10 years ago, a similar thing happened with AI vision and now everyone has filters they can use on cameras and face detection. We'll reach another plateau until the next tech hype comes about.
I use chatgpt to make questions for me when my teachers refuse to give me anything to practice on before final exams. Even then, I'd take literally anything they'd give over whatever AI can generate
I’ve used it to fill in the gaps for DND storyline. I’ll give it a prompt and a couple of story arcs then I’ll tell it to write in a certain style, say a cowardly king or dogmatic paladin. From there it will spit out a story. If I don’t like certain affects, I’ll tell it to rewrite a section with some other detail in mind. It does a fantastic job and saves me some of the guesswork.
For those interested, I just asked it to generate a campaign with a quick prompt and this is what it spit out. Not perfect, but a good basis to build from:
Campaign Framework: The Relic of Shadows Introduction: The Call to Adventure Setting: The campaign begins in the small, picturesque fiefdom of Ravenwood, ruled by the benevolent Lord Alaric. Known for his wisdom and kindness, Lord Alaric's peace is shattered when a relic of immense power, the Amulet of Shadows, is stolen by a band of notorious highwaymen. Hook: Lord Alaric seeks the help of the adventurers, promising wealth and favor in return for the retrieval of the Amulet of Shadows. The relic is said to possess the ability to manipulate shadows, providing its bearer with unparalleled stealth and the power to traverse through the Shadow Realm. Act 1: The Journey Begins Initial Quest: The adventurers set off to track down the highwaymen, following clues and engaging in minor skirmishes along the way. They learn that the highwaymen are more than simple thieves—they are a fragmented faction of former soldiers who turned to banditry after being betrayed by a corrupt noble. Twist: Upon confronting the highwaymen, the adventurers discover that Lord Alaric had once wronged them in his past. The highwaymen had stolen the Amulet of Shadows not out of greed, but to prevent Alaric from using its dark powers. They reveal that Alaric's benevolent facade hides his darker ambitions. Act 2: The Corrupted Lord Return and Betrayal: Despite the highwaymen's revelations, the adventurers decide to return the Amulet of Shadows to Lord Alaric, hoping to resolve the situation peacefully. However, upon returning the relic, Lord Alaric's true nature is revealed. Corrupted by the power of the amulet, he becomes malevolent and orders the adventurers imprisoned in a distant, forgotten dungeon. Dungeon Escape: The adventurers must navigate the treacherous dungeon, facing traps, monsters, and puzzles. During their imprisonment, they encounter an exiled hermit named Elias, a former friend of Lord Alaric who was cast out due to discovering the lord's dark ambitions. Act 3: The Path of Vengeance The Hermit's Guidance: Elias offers to guide the adventurers back to Ravenwood and reveals crucial insights into Lord Alaric's plans. He explains that Alaric seeks to use the Amulet of Shadows to control the Shadow Realm and extend his dominion. Elias knows secret paths and hidden truths that can aid the adventurers. Critical Choice: The adventurers must protect Elias throughout their journey. If Elias perishes, they lose his valuable knowledge, making their mission significantly harder. Without Elias, they will face additional challenges and must uncover Alaric's weaknesses through other means. Act 4: The Final Confrontation Return to Ravenwood: The adventurers, now armed with the knowledge provided by Elias (or through their own investigations if Elias is lost), must confront Lord Alaric. They rally allies, face Alaric's corrupted forces, and uncover the hidden vulnerabilities in Alaric's plans. Climactic Battle: The campaign culminates in an epic showdown with Lord Alaric in his fortified castle. The adventurers must disable the Amulet of Shadows, overcome Alaric's dark magic, and ultimately restore peace to Ravenwood. Resolution Victory or Defeat: Depending on the adventurers' actions, they may emerge victorious, freeing Ravenwood from Alaric's tyrannical grasp, or they might succumb to the shadows, leaving the fiefdom to its dark fate. Their choices throughout the campaign will determine the final outcome and the legacy they leave behind. Feel free to add or adjust details to fit your players' preferences and playstyle! This framework should give you a solid foundation for a thrilling and complex campaign. Happy adventuring! 🐉⚔️
And below was my prompt, took me appx 5 minutes to write from my phone. I like that the AI thought that Elias would recall secret passages from his youth, which I’m thinking could help the adventures bypass some of the guard. I definitely would want to workshop that highwaymen twist, I mean what kind of party would be willing to return a relic of shadows back when they perceive a ruler as being corrupt? It needs something a bit more convincing.
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Provide me a framework for a DND campaign that will contain the following story arcs. A lord of a small fiefdom seeks a group of traveling adventures to return a relic (you choose the relic, it must have magical powers) that was stolen from him by a group of highwaymen. The story must include a twist about the highwaymen. When returned, the lord becomes corrupted and throws the party in a far off dungeon. The adventures must work their way back to the lord and seek their revenge, with the assistance of a self exiled hermit who formerly knew the lord in his youth that they encounter along the way. If the hermit dies, the party loses insight into the lord's intentions and it makes it much more challenging to win the campaign.
It looks impressive on the surface but if you approach it with any genuine scrutiny it falls apart and you can see that it doesn't know how to draw for shit.
I find it helpful to chat about a topic sometimes as long as it's not based on pure facts, You can talk about your feelings with it.
I ask it a lot of technical questions that are broad and non-specific. It helps to quickly get a gauge on what is the correct way to implement something.
I've never had AI code run straight off the bat - generally because if I've resorted to asking an AI, I've already spent an hour googling - but it often gives me a starting point to narrow my search.
There's been a couple of times it's been useful outside of coding/config - for example, finding the name of some legal concepts can be fairly hard with traditional search, if you don't know the surrounding terminology.
For the most part, it's worthless garbage.
There are a few uses where it genuinely speeds up editing/insertion into contracts and warns of you of red flags/riders that might open you up to unintended liability. BUT the software is $$$$ and you generally need a law degree before you even need a tool like that. For those that are constantly up to their chins in legal shit, it can be helpful. I'm not, thankfully.
A friend's wife "makes" and sells AI slop prints. He had to make a twitter account so he could help her deal with the "harassment". Not sure exactly what she's dealing with, but my friend and I have slightly different ideas of what harassment is and I'm not interested in hearing more about the situation. The prints I've seen look like generic fantasy novel art that you'd see at the checkout line of a grocery store.
I built a spreadsheet for a client that sorts their email into threads and then segments various conversations into a different view based on shipment numbers mentioned in the conversations. But it's a lot of work to get something like this set up. Am thinking of going into consulting/implementation.
I have had fun with ChatGPT, but in terms of integrating it into my workflow: no. It just gives me too much garbage on a regular basis for me not to have to check and recheck anything it produces, so it's more efficient to do it myself.
And as entertainment, it's more expensive than e.g. a game, over time.
ChatGPT can be useful or fun every now and then but besides that no.
I have a custom agent that i ask questions to that then goes and finds sources then answers my question. Can do math by writing python code and using the result. I uae it almost exclusively instead of regular search. Ai makes coding far quicker giving examples remeber shit i cant remeber how to use writing basic functions etc.
Writing emails. Making profile pictures.
I used to enjoy the tldr bot on lemmy till some fascist decided to kill it instead of just letting people block it.
I made an AI song for my mom's birthday on Suno and she loved it so much she cried. So that was nice.
I don't like how people are using it to just replace artists. It would be find if it's just to automate some things, like, "AI can tell you when ___ needs to be replaced," but it feels more like it's being used as a stick to workers. Like, "Keep acting up and I'll replace you with dun dun dun AI!"
It's funny to see Godzilla in weird contexts.
No, I don't think that's a particularly good reason for it all, either.
Oh, I had some of those last year on some lemmy thread somewhere.
I used it a decent amount at my last job to write test reports that had a lot of similar text with minor changes.
I also use it for dnd to help me quickly make the outlines of side characters & flesh out my world.
Im suprisingly on board for ai art. It does allow you to create whatewer you want without having the technical ability to do so. ( For example of you want a sick wallpaper ) Ot significantly lowers the floor as far as creating anything art related goes.
I was really psyched about AI when it first hit my news feed. Now I'm less than impressed. Most generalist AI platforms get things wrong constantly. Having an LLM trained on specific things, like math or science or maybe law, I could see being useful.
We're at the "AI everything" phase instead of the "AI what makes sense" phase.
I've found AI to be incredibly helpful for me.
And of course someone here had to downvote you for that very simple subjective statement. The hive mind crusades against AI here are ridiculous.
I'm what ways has it been useful?
I'm visually impaired and use AI as an assistant for describing images and such.
That is actually an excellent use. That's the first I've heard of that one.
I find ChatGPT useful in getting my server to work (since I'm pretty new with Linux)
Other than that, I check in on how local image models are doing around once every couple of months. I would say you can achieve some cool stuff with it, but not really any unusual stuff.
It's an overly broad term, and the "hype" use-cases dominate the discussion in a way that lacks vision. I'm using machine learning to optimize hardware accelerated processing for particle physics. So, ya, it's not all slop. And what is, may very well evolve.
I use AI every day. I think it's an amazing tool. It helps me with work, with video games, with general information, with my dog, and with a whole lot of other things. Obviously verify the claims if it's an important matter, but it'll still save you a lot of time. Prompting AI with useful queries is a skill set that everyone should be developing right now. Like it or not, AI is here and it's going to impact everyone.
Porn has been ruined by AI too. Jokes aside it's really a boner killer.
Idk who faps to that whack shit but it's trying so hard to make everything look baby silk smooth with unrealistic bodies most likely stolen from hentai.
It stimulates my brain, and I enjoy the randomness of it all. It's like how in nature things can be perfectly imperfect - random and still beautiful - unintentional and still emotion-inducing. Sure, I see the ethical issues with how an AI is trained and how capitalism cares more about profit than people leading to job loss or exploitation; however, those are separate issues in my mind, and I can still find joy in the random output of an AI. I could easily tunnel on the bad parts of AI and what's happening as the world devours a new technology, but I still see benefits it can bring in the medical research and engineering fields.
I’m not impressed with the LLMs. They do make great synonym generators.
Stable diffusion and other image diffusers are genuinely amazing. And I’m not talking about asking copilot to make Fortnite shrek. There are incredibly complex ways in which you can fine tune to tell it how to shape and refine the image. It has and is going to continue to revolutionize graphical art. And once the math shrinks down it’s going to be everywhere.
For me throwing a graph in and telling it to create a table from it and stuff like that is really super helpful, since I often have to do this, and by hand it's a very tedious job. Sorting and cleaning tables and translating stuff is super handy and I use it quite often. But other then that I don't care.
I like messing with the locally hosted AI available. We have a locally hosted LLM trained on our command media at work that is occasionally useful. I avoid it otherwise if I didn't set it up myself or know who did.
Only one I ever use is the meta AI built into messenger because my friends and I can have it make silly and often extremely cursed pictures that make us laugh
Yes, but they're the same sort of people that think Elon Musk is a genius.
no, musk is a twit
I'll use it to write scripts for repetitive tasks at my job. I never learned or know code so it's actually super helpful in that sense but that isn't really what OP is asking i don't think. I use AI by going on to their platform and initiating the interaction. I disable every form of AI I am capable of disabling/uninstalling. Every integrated sense of AI has been obnoxious.
People I talk to find it useful for front-end development
Internet search, e.g. Google, is now functionally almost completely useless. I use ChatGPT basically as a Google replacement.
I will still search for stuff - I use Kagi - but give up after half a dozen results if none of them are relevant and go to ChatGPT instead. Often, ChatGPT is more helpful. But sometimes it just makes a bunch of nonsense up.
ChatGPT is great for when you need to find something where you kind of know at least the vague shape of what you’re expecting and you have enough expertise to filter out any of the lies it makes up.
I use it to explain dumber questions i have about math and coding concepts.
I use it to write scripts.
I used it to interpret my rental lease and calculate penalties and see whats covered by my landlord vs myself.
The applications of what you call ai are absolutely limitless. But to be clear what you're calling "AI" isn't AI in terms of what you might want it to be what you're referring to are large language models or LLM's. Which aren't ai, not yet.
It's short sighted statements like this that really get my blood boiling.
If humanity actually achieves artificial intelligence it'll be the equivalent of the printing press or agriculture. It'll be like inventing the superconductor or micro transistors all over again. Our world will completely change for the better.
If your interactions with these llms have been negative, I can only assume that you have a strong bias against this type of technology and have simply not used it in a way that's applicable for you.
I personally use llms pretty much daily in my life and they have been nothing but an excellent tool.
How could you possibly know that achieving AI will change the world for the better? Change, I believe, but even people running the AI companies talk about how hard alignment is. There’s a chance it has a net positive effect on the world, but I guarantee you there is also a non-zero chance it has a net negative effect. If you have some way of predicting the future, maybe you should get into investing.
There's no reason to assume that AI will be malevolent.
I also said it would be equivalent to other important events throughout human history.
For example, I believe the discovery of agriculture is one of the most detrimental things ever that happened to humanity. Doesn't make it any less riveting.
If you do not understand or don't want to understand the implications of a fully realized artificial intelligence then you are simply willfully ignorant or want to be intentionally contrary.
Either way when our ai overlords take over the earth your name won't be in the protected scrolls. May God have mercy on your soul.
Lol. I think it’s very dangerous to assume something this revolutionary has a 0% chance of being a net negative. I’m not saying AI can’t be good, but I’m saying it never hurts to have some skepticism. Also, remember, history doesn’t repeat, it echoes.
I honestly don’t understand why suggesting there is a >0% chance things could go wrong would make you so angry. Maybe you should ask ChatGPT to coach you on handling opinions that don’t match your own.
There'd been a few cases where it was helpful. But yeah, I mostly agree
Have you seen neuro sama?
Kitboga has used AI (STT, LLMs, and TTS) to waste the time of Scammers.
There are AI tools being used to develop new cures which will benefit everyone.
There are AI tools being used to help discover new planets.
I use DLSS for gaming.
I run a lot of my own local AI models for various reasons. Whisper - for Audio Transcriptions/Translations.
Different Diffusion Models (SD or Flux) - for some quick visuals to recap a D&D session.
Tesseract OCR - to scan an image and extract any text that it can find (makes it easy to pull out text from any image and make it searchable).
Local LLMs (Llama, Mixtral) for brainstorming ideas, reformatting text, etc. It's great for getting started with certain subjects/topics, as long as I verify everything that it says.
For fun I'll probably setup GLaDOS like what was done here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1csnexs/local_glados_now_running_on_windows_11_rtx_2060/
Going through data and writing letters are the only tasks I've seen AI be useful for. I still wouldn't trust it as far as I could kick it's ass and I'd check it well before submitting for work.
You know those people who have no creative skills or drive, but want to be thought of as a creative?
You know those people who have this really neat idea for an app, but they don't plan on making it themself because they're "just an ideas guy"?
You know those people who will offer to pay in exposure? I mean, do you really need to be paid just to draw some pictures anyway?
You know those guys who send you a picture they got from google images and claim this to be a girl they know?
That's the vast majority of the AI audience. I could probably sum that up with the word "parasite", but I wanted to be thorough.
As a college student, best experience I've had is just generating stories that you can easily tell are AI written by use of specific language.
Second best was when I tried taking pokemon from older generations, taking their BST, telling an AI (perplexity) that I wanna give them gen 5 BST, providing a spreadsheet with all gen 5 pokemon w/BST and each individual stat, and using whatever it gives me as a baseline for making BST edits.
Otherwise, I wouldn't say I'm a big fan of AI since I don't have many uses for it myself.
What's BST?
Base stat total. I really don't care too much for all these different acronyms, but I watch a fair bit of pokemon challenge content so I hear it more often than I care for.
Nope
Text generation is Frozen Yogurt now.
Noticeably worse, but you can have so much more.
Like any new tool it is being abused to hurt the working class by the wealthy. It does have useful aspects if used properly but it's pretty overshadowed by all the awful uses imo
It's basically to replace their shitty chat bots. It's ok, I'm doing the course for it now. You guys hiring?
Google's ai summary is a godsend for certain types of queries and is generally useful
you should try kagi. they have had it for more than a year now. it also generates summary for any webpage in the result so as to avoid all the ads and prompts.
Thanks for the recommendation
I don't like commercial "AI" period.
That said, I did find some use for chatGPT last year. I had it explain to me some parts of Hawking's paper on black hole particle creation, this was only useful for this one case because Hawking had a habit of stating something is true without explaining it and often without providing useful references. For the record, chatGPT was not good at this task, but with enough prodding and steering I was eventually able to get it to explain some concepts well enough for my usage. I just needed to understand a topic, I definitely wasn't asking chatGPT to do any writing for me, most of what it spits out is flat out wrong.
I once spent a day trying to get it to solve a really basic QM problem, and it couldn't even keep the maths consistent from one line to another.
I abhor it and I think anybody who does actually like it is using it unethically: for art (which they intend to profit off of), for writing papers or articles, and for writing bad code.
I use it when I get stoned with my mates and think of funny shit to generate.
You missed the button to reply to OP and instead replied to somebody who didn't ask.
Why would you even comment if you don’t want to participate in a discussion?
Is this discussion? I added my answer onto the pile for OP's question. I said I dislike a thing and everyone who uses it, never at any point expressing any uncertainty or confusion on the matter. Then user b said they use it and explained how. If anything they seemed to want to be insulted, and in that sense I was quite nice about it.
Clearly, their intent was to provide an example of a relatively harmless use of AI as a way of demonstrating to you that your position may have been a bit reductive.
Your reaction, of behaving like, lets be honest, a bit of an asshole, wasn’t really warranted.
I tried really hard not to engage with this obvious bait but I guess you really want it.
If you require AI to be amused while high then congratulations you're the most disgruntled creature on the face of this earth. Too bad you're still paying for a business sampling works without permission or accrediting authors.
Shit counterpoint by a shit person.
First of all, most AI tools have some free tier. I doubt the other commenter paid a penny.
Also, just because they did it, it doesn’t mean they “required” it… I’ve laughed at cat videos before, that doesn’t mean that I require cat videos to be amused.
I meant to reply to you, to illustrate it's not always unethical; a point you raised, not OP.
It is always unethical and I made it very clear that people like you are people I dislike, so stop trolling and ragebait elsewhere.
I'm not trolling. Why is it unethical for me and my buddies to generate images of a duck with the head of an elephant?
For the sake of brevity, I'm just going to agree that I'm sea-lioning.
Now, explain how what I'm doing is unethical.
Do you think it's unethical because it uses stolen art?
If so, I don't think there's an issue because I'm not publishing anything I generate.
Do you think it's unethical because of the electricity usage?
If so, you could make the argument about any frivilous activity which generates electricity.
I really don't know of a compelling reason besides these two which raises a red flag for you.
I think that you’re right, with the way that our society is structured, it is unethical. It’s essentially the world’s most advanced plagiarism tool.
However, being realistic, even if no private individual ever used it, it would still exist and would be used by corporations for profit maximising.
In my opinion, telling people that they’re bad people for using something which is made unethically isn’t really helpful. For example, smartphones aren’t made ethically, but the way to get that to change isn’t to change consumer habits - because we know that just doesn’t work - it’s to get organised, as a collective working class, and take action into our own hands.
Corpos are currently shooting themselves in the foot by trying to sell an essentially useless product which only lowers the quality of everything it touches.
I'm sure someday it will replace the press number phone machines, at the cost of accessibility, but otherwise I cannot imagine it "maximising profits".
Can you seriously not imagine how a corporation could benefit from generative AI, or are you just being obstinate and saying it’s useless because you think it’s unethical and you hope that by saying it’s useless that you can effectively manifest that?
Because there are plenty of use-cases for generative AI. None of them have to be good, or even products. Your phone machine example is a good one - it’s not a product, really, it’s taking the role of a human to fulfil some obligation, or to intentionally make it harder for people to add to the company’s support burden.
I think there are some useful applications for generative AI, but I do agree that the incarnations we have are unethical. And again, I really don’t think that simply telling people that they’re bad people for using it is going to win them over to your side.
Tech bros getting mad that their bullshit machine isn't the future, cry more. I'm not here to convince you and we're not intellectual equals.
Fair enough, thank you for your time.
Totally second the latter part - it's the self destructive nature of being blindly anti-AI. Pretty much everyone would support giving more rights and benefits to people displaced by AI, but only a fraction of that group would support an anti-AI mentality. If you want to work against the negative effects of AI in a way that can actually change things, the solution is not to push against the wall closing in on you, but to find the escape.
It’s really useful for churning out some basic code. For searching the web, it’s providing better results than Google these days.
Yes. Ai art is great. It's a new medium and pretty much every argument against it was made against photography a century ago, and most of them against pre-mixed paints before that. Stop believing the haters who don;t know what it actually is.
My main argument againt it is that I could not care less about something generated by a machine. What I like about art is seeing the world from the perspective of another human. Machines could make music albums or movies in seconds, to me it's just a bland mashup of previous works created by humans and I have no interest in that. AI is only capable of creating variations of human art, not innovation like real artist can. We are on the edge of infinite content, I chose to give my time to human creation, not generic spin-off of it. My two cents.
Most things produced by AI and assisted by AI are still human creation, as it requires a human to guide it to what it's making. Human innovation is also very much based on mixing materials it's seen before in new creative manners. Almost no material is truly innovative. Ask any honest artists about their inspirations and they can tell you what parts of their creations were inspired by what. Our world has explored the depths of most art forms so there is more than a lifetime's worth of art to mix and match. Often the real reason things feel fresh and new is because they are fresh and new to us, but already existed in some form out there before it came to our attention.
That AI can match this is easily proven by fact AI can create material that no human would realistically make (like AI generated QR codes, or 'cursed' AI), very proficient style mixing that would take a human extensive study of both styles to pull off (eg. Pokemon and real life), or real looking images that could not realistically, financially, conscionably, be made using normal methods (eg. A bus full of greek marble statues).
Nobody is saying you have to like AI art, and depending on your perspective, some or most of it will still be really low effort and not worth paying attention to, but that was already the state of art before AI. Lifetimes of art are being uploaded every day, but nobody has the time to view it all. So I would really keep an open mind that good AI art and AI assisted art exists out there, and you might one day come to like it but not realize you're seeing it, because good AI usage is indistinguishable from normal art.
Here's a little story for you. I'm a composer and college music teacher. Just last week, I was meeting with a potential client for music pieces and sfx for an app. I gave him my prices, which I consider to have been really low since the project was very simple, and he ended up telling me that it was really too expensive, and asking me why I didn't have the tracks done by AI. I told him he wasn't looking for a composer, but rather a programmer or something. I've been learning to play and compose and perfecting my artistic practice for 30 years. I've managed to make my passion my job because creating music is the thing that gives me the most satisfaction in the world. I have no interest in replacing this practice by entering prompts into an algorithm, even if I could make easy money from it. I'm a composer, that's what I wanna do. In recent years, I've seen some of my students in their early twenties, often with absolutely no understanding of musical parameters, and who have already released two or three albums. At this point, someone who has never touched an instrument or produced a single piece of music on it's own could be releasing an album a week. I'm not saying that this music is necessarily bad, I'm just saying that it doesn't interest me, since there's no artistic intention or approach behind it. I could also tell you about the works written by
I could also tell you about the written assignments that students hand in, and for which I can identify in less than 30 seconds which ones have been produced by AI (students overreact to their writing skills, it's often laughable). I don't even read these papers, I just mark them as average, since trying to prove anything would be a waste of time. As I tell them, those who have used chatgpt have “learned” to use AI, those who have done the work have learned to carry out research, to synthesize their ideas and to structure, articulate and present them.
One last thing. As far as innovation is concerned, AI can endlessly produce pieces that sound like Bach, but it took Bach to exist in the first place, and Glenn Gould to revolutionize the interpretation of his scores for this to be possible.
First of all, I understand your point of view. And I've been looking at artists being undervalued like your potential client for decades, before AI was even a thing. So I definitely feel you on that point, and I wish it would be different. That said, here's my response. (It's a bit long, so I put it in spoiler tags)
::: spoiler spoiler Yes, but maybe also no. Do you use computer software to compose or assist you in composing? Like FL Studio, Audacity? Or maybe you use a microphone to record the played version of your composition?
I know maybe one or two composers, and they wouldn't go without that while I worked with them. But I'm sure you can agree using those things does not make you a programmer. It just takes a composer with a more technical mindset and experience with those tools. I don't deny there are composers that do without it, and maybe you are one of them. If so, rock on, but I'm sure you can see using computer tools does not stop you from being a composer, it just enhances it. Now if you were to never learn anything about composing and just use AI blindly, then I would agree with you.
But AI in that manner is no different, and like those other pieces of software it still requires expertise to make something actually good. However, judging from the manner your client spoke to you, I think the issue wasn't that you weren't making good music, it's that you were making too expensive music for the value he wanted to derive from it. That's sadly how the free market goes, and I agree that it has disproportionately screwed over artists because their work gets systematically undervalued. However, AI is not the cause of that, it merely made it more apparent, and it will not stop with the next thing after AI, unless we tackle it at the root cause by giving artists better protections that don't end up empowering the same people that undervalue them, which is really quite nuanced to get right and the current system we have already makes it worse than it is. This is what I fight for instead. ::: _
::: spoiler spoiler Students are probably the worst example of this though. Because that's basically what students are known for before AI was even a thing. The average student has no conception or feeling yet of what has artistic value or not, and most will not go into creative fields. Students used to hand in fully plagiarized works they just downloaded or took from other students, and it is indeed laughable for anyone that actually wants to make it somewhere in their field. So yes, if that's the majority of AI produced works you've encountered I can totally understand your point of view, but I implore you to broaden your horizon to people that actually work in the field. Those that already have built up the artistic mindset. ::: _
::: spoiler spoiler But these people have not learned how to proficiently use AI, just very shallowly. They have learned how to be lazy. Which mind you, is the same laziness that you learn from plagiarizing directly. This has literally been the reality of people growing up for the entirety of human existence. You're right that the ones that did go through the effort learned more, but that does not mean they could not also value from enhancing that process with other tools. And you wouldn't even know the ones that did. Because they will not hand in something that looks like it came directly out of ChatGPT. They might have only used it for brainstorming, or proof reading, or to make a boring passage more entertaining. Someone who understands why their own effort and sense of ownership matters would never just hand in something they had zero say in, that's what lazy people do. And we have no shortage of those.
A small subset of your students will go the extra mile, and realize that they need to get better themselves to produce things with more artistic value. They too will see what AI can help them with, and what it can't. Some students that are lazy now will eventually see the light too, and realize that they're lacking behind. That's life - maturity takes time to develop.
But just because lazy people can play the guitar by randomly stroking the strings, doesn't mean a competent guitar player can't create an incredibly intricate banger with the same guitar. AI is no different. ::: _
::: spoiler spoiler You're right that AI requires existing material. But you said it yourself. Glenn Gould would not be able to make his work without Bach. And just like that Bach has inspirations that would mean Bach as we know him would not exist without those. And if paper did not exist, Bach could not write down his pieces for us to remember now and learn from. In the same way, an artists of any kind in the future will not exist without their influences and tools, of which AI could be one.
AI can indeed produce endless pieces that sound like Bach, but only a human could use AI to produce a piece that has evokes feelings, passion, thoughts - anything to be considered to be real art. A machine cannot produce the true definition of art on it's own, but it can be invoked by an artists to do work in furtherance of their art. Because it takes a creative mind to be able to spot, transform, extend, and also know when to discard, what an AI has produced. Just like we discard sources we perceive as low in value, and sources that are high in value we take as inspiration. ::: _
EDIT: Just want to add to this:
That's not something anyone should do. Because that's not using it as a tool. That's making it the entire process. That's not the kind of AI usage I'm advocating for either. And you're free to forego AI completely. Just like there are probably some instruments you never use, or some genre you never visit. I don't like taking the easy way either, that's why I make creative stuff as a living too. If I just wanted money I would go elsewhere too.
Do you think computers are making pictures for computers to look at with no human interaction?
Do you think I'm an idiot? See the my reply to the other comment if you care, I'm sure you do lol.
Yes. If you hate AI for those reason I think you're an idiot. In fact if you hate ai art for any reason other than it's content (and to be fair a lot of it is shite, but then a lot of stuff created by humans without computers is shite as well) you are wrong.
Lol, why don't you go fuck yourself you stupid fuck? You haven't even articulate half the beginning of an idea and yet you feel you can call others idiots? The other user in this comment has been able to explain why he doesn't agrre whith me, meanwhile, you can only bark an insult like 12 years old bully without adressing any of the points I'm making. You're a nuisance to the internet, why dont you go jerk to some ai porn and pretend to be smart on reddit?
Wow, that's a response. You clearly know literally nothing about the subject at hand and are wilfully ignorant, so yes I will call you an idiot because it's accurate. Maybe calm down and do some reading and thinking.
Lol. I don't need advice from you, go fuck yourself. Bisous bisous
When the question is "does anyone actually like this thing" the answer is often "yeah, perverts."