Imagine that. You not only paid for the refrigerator, but also the electricity and the internet access. And it uses all of that stuff to display ads to you. You're literally paying for every ad it shows you.
That's exactly the thing that turned me off cable. I'm not interested in paying for a service that's going to pipe ads into my home. OTA TV, fine, I'm not paying for that. When I can pay for services that don't show me ads, why would I pay for one that does?
I love the DIY crowd, I don't really need most of these sort of things myself (yet), but it's important that they exist, and that people do these things, to prove it can be done and to develop and maintain the knowledge of how it can be done.
In an ideal world, we shouldn't have to be independently reverse engineering and reinventing our own tools and appliances and all this would just have to be done once and then shared to become widespread human knowledge. But instead it is "intellectual property" and commercialized and value engineered into maliciously anti-human exploitation devices. Apparently the world we live in is pretty far from ideal.
I have my washer and dryer connected to the internet. I set up an automation that flashes the lights upstairs when a load is done, and turns on the laundry room lights. I suspect there are some fun automation opportunities with this fridge, too. But my washer and dryer don’t have giant touch screens or ads. I’d never buy this fridge.
You don't have to have a smart washer and dryer to do this. If you get a smart outlet that monitors power usage, you can have it notify you when the usage dips. That's how I do it.
Yeah smart devices are far too smart, usually for absolutely no real reason. They're very appealing to people who overthink things (which is often myself, and I admit it). Sometimes we really should make an effort to embrace the dumb. Simplicity has its own elegance, and is often far more reliable.
The icemaker and water dispenser are always the first things to break too. Fuck all that shit, just give me a box that stays cold with a light that works.
My wife picked an LG as our last fridge and the first thing to go was the compressor and the second thing to go was the compressor again. The water dispenser and icemaker held up fine :)
The water stuff is certainly the most likely to go, but I've had pretty good luck so far.
They're actually super easy to fix. Generally it's just the solenoid needs to be swapped out. You can buy them cheap on Amazon for most fridges and install takes like 10 minutes.
I stay away from the OEM ones. While they do last longer, it's cheaper to replace it every 3 years or so for like $30 than it is to pay for the OEM one.
Some have cameras on the inside that let you view the contents without opening it. Some have AI that use the cameras to track your food stock. I doubt either of these things justify the amount of resources they consume to accomplish this pointless bullshit.
Samsung recently released UI 8 for Android, which had the astounding forward-thinking and innovative move of removing the ability to silence your phone by hitting the volume down button
idk what phone I'm gonna buy next, but that's the last straw with Samsung for me. I'm already sick of them changing features on the phone to make them worse, like how in order to do a partial screenshot (a feature I used to use a lot) you now need to click the button and wait a few seconds for the "AI" to think about what portion of the screen to select. you cannot skip this waiting period. you cannot disable this (that I have found). you cannot 'undo' when you draw a box around a section that includes text and it tries to helpfully extract the text for you instead of just fucking taking a screenshot of the highlighted portion of the screen
fuck Samsung
a guy at work said graphene has been going pretty good
I like my Motorola it's on the cheaper side but it has an AUX and a disturbingly good battery. Still android so you have to deal with BS, but hey the slightly better model has an microSD card slot so that's good I guess.
If you're that fed up, may as well buy an iPhone and root/flash the thing to a custom OS, or another Samsung, and do the same thing. Those brands have consistently had the best hardware, so if you're gonna just nuke the software anyway, which is your best option, may as well get the hardware that you want.
No offense but what world are you living in where you can just install custom firmware on iPhones and Samsungs? I'd love to live in that world but those are two of the worst manufacturers for cfw support
But that's just semantics, as the end result is the same. Which leads back to my original question: how? Rooting a modern iphone has been all but impossible for quite some time now.
I don't know there are a lot of features on a smart fridge that are pretty cool a lot of things that actually can come in handy that I really appreciate it when I considered purchasing one. I'm glad that I didn't make the purchase before they came out with this idiotic bullshit.
I hate embedded smart stuff in devices in general as they always get support dropped way too soon (and often enshittified with updates as demonstrated), but as a concept a fridge that would keep track what's in it, their expiration dates, and auto-updated a shopping list when something is used up would actually be really handy.
Wanted to make some pasta few nights back but I was out of cheese and the cream had expired, so instant noodles for dinner it was. Again.
I mean for me it was the fact that it was an embedded tablet the fact that you could trade shopping list and automatically send them to your phones so that way you remembered what to get at the store or while you're at the store items to be added. Capability for attack actually keep track of when stuff is expiring so that way you knew hey you know what I better go buy this even though it's not on my list because what's in here is going to be bad things like that. Also do enjoy watching and looking at recipes online having extra counter space and not having a tablet or having to pull my phone out every 30 seconds while looking at recipes or listening to music or even watching a show while I'm cooking on days like Thanksgiving having the football game playing stuff like that. People that are opposed to advancements in technology are often the ones that hold us back. But luckily there are far fewer people that are actually opposed to it and most of them are concentrated to small forms such as this. we can see based on the amount of sales that the vast majority of people do want the smart fridge new on additional features besides just being able to open and close it and keeping stuff cold or frozen.
No, those aren't a thing where I live thankfully, although that would probably cause me to switch petrol stations if they started doing this (or finally buy an electric car so I can have the ads on a giant screen while I'm driving /s).
The other day I had to wait for the ad video to stop playing before I could press "Yes" to have it print a receipt. I won't be going back to that location.
Why does there still need to be advertisements though?
I'd completely ban marketing altogether. Their only purpose is to hack human brains in order to get them to buy stuff they otherwise wouldn't. They are the reason we have overconsumption.
Start with the example of the city of São Paulo, the 4th largest city in the world, which banned all outdoor advertising many years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cidade_Limpa
How would you even do that? Marketing is tied up into every single purchasing decision we make. The colors and fonts on the packaging; the perceived value or luxury of the store you're buying it from; the placement of the products within that store; the price of the product itself. All of these signal things about the perceived value of the product and influence what people purchase.
There are some things I want to know about that may or may not be considered advertising. Stuff like a band I like going on tour, or a video game I'm interested in releasing.
Maybe in your world those could just be like opt-in newsletters.
I think allowing print and physical media would enable using signs outside your building, use branding on your documents, etc. plus make it more valuable for the already dying media of print, and also pretty much make advertising an opt in situation since you can choose to engage in it, rather than having something like the fucking sphere blazed into your retina with the power of 15 suns in the middle of the night.
Banning "marketing" in general is impossible. In order for humans to survive, we need to acquire means of sustenance. With social division of labor, you cannot acquire all the means of sustenance you need by yourself or within your immediate community. As such, a market is necessary to exchange commodities, including means of sustenance and means of production, and the mere act of bringing a commodity to a market is, by definition, marketing.
Banning advertising in general is more possible, but probably a bad idea. Imagine you want to buy bread. How would you go about that? Look for a "bakery" sign? Whoops, that's advertising, can't have that. Your best bet then is, like, going into every single open door on the street until you find a bakery, which doesn't sound good at all.
What we should do is regulate advertising down to its minimum necessary function, which is helping people find what they are already looking for, plus maybe PSA type of ads (e.g. reminding you to get vaccinated and stuff). So yeah, most modern ads should be banned, but some should be kept because there is some actual use in them.
I disagree. I think that's far too extreme, there shouldn't be blanket bans because big tech ruins it for everyone, it harms stuff like minor indie creators or small buisnesses, that being said it needs to be HEAVILY regulated, like fridges should never have ads nor any smart appliance
How about... we go a step further and just stop making appliances "smart"?
My toaster doesn't need AI to tell the difference between a fucking bagel and a slice of bread. They already figured out solutions to this shit decades ago.
Lots of appliances doesn't need to be smart, I agree, there are plenty borderline where I think there is some benifit, bulbs for example, I think things should be a lot more local, it's a shame people use cloud solutions instead of home assistant or how much telemetry these smart appliances are allowed to get.
Eh, I would say just ban all paid advertisements like ones you're describing. Want to advertise your product? Send it over to some state-run hub, which then randomly distributes it to professional reviewers. They then publish their findings, and if your product is good and people are looking for your product category, they will find you.
Get rid of stupid ads where the only reason they are shown to you is because someone is paid to stuff it in your face. Ads should be something you actively seek out, not something being shoved in your face.
This is capitalism, they will stop making the normal fridges and only make these fucking things. The only power customers truly have is through regulation(though we should still boycott things because it still helps).
Or all the automatics in the states, or all the cars that only seem to come in black, white, or silver. Can also look at a lot of food, especially in food deserts, or public transit being gutted when ridership is low(because it was never funded in the first place).
People need to pay literally any kind of attention. I feel like this information, with studies to back it up that also aren’t by conservative think-tanks, is so readily available and yet also there are people who have zero clue about anything, like you’re saying.
Yes, but most people would put up with it instead because they’re afraid of the consequences. As much as they use “hackers” for scaring everyone these corporations likely don’t actually care since they know it’s only a handful of people. They know they just need to be stubborn enough for someone to forget after even only a couple months, or to create a boogie man to discourage them from fighting back.
It’s regulation or we’re fucked. Individuals do not have the necessary power to fight these large industries.
Appliance repair man here. You can turn the screen off from a cover you remove from the top of the fridge door. Do so. You don't need a fucking android tablet on your fridge.
Also don't buy these kinds of appliances. They're terrible!
External water & ice dispensers, doesnt matter the brand. You're cutting a fucking hole in the thermal envelope to put a faulty device that's experiencing mechanical stress on parts every time you open/close the door. It's not a matter of if it will fail, but when. Also, increased operational cost. Internal water dispensers and automatic ice makers are always the better option if you want those features.
Smart features. Why the fuck do you need smart features on a fridge? Even if it's using AI vision to scan for inventory... Just no, fucking no. That's more personal data on you to be bought, sold, data breached, and utilized to fuck you somehow.
Fridges that split the freezer and fridge on a vertically.
No, French doors just means two doors that meet in the middle, usually just the fridge (which is up top) has it, and they're ok usually. Split vertically is called side by side, and they suck, can't even handle frozen pizza...
I remember helping my mom buy a fridge and the main thing was we wanted a good ice dispencer that wouldnt break, and the dude was like sorry dude doesnt exist they are all equally shitty, its always going to break, pick any
Pretty sure we got an RMA for the first unit as the door had a scratch and the compressor fan sounded high pitched. Got a next day replacement and no complaints on the second one. Was concerned about sqft as we were coming from a 25sqft but am surprisingly happy with this one.
I've heard that appliances in general and refrigerators specifically, from the last many years are crap. I don't know what the cut off date is, but I hear that they're generally made to break after a few years now and don't have replacement parts for very long. @[email protected] may have a more informed answer, but it seems to me that people are better off buying old fridges used from friends or relatives.
What the fuck do they even do? I thought they were supposed to scan the ingredients in your fridge, then tell you what's about to expire and what recipes you can make. But apparently they can't even do that, so what purpose do they serve that I can't already accomplish by bringing my phone into the kitchen?
Can they at least monitor the temperature across different areas of the fridge, or connect to my power meter like my thermostat can and optimize power usage to be lower when electricity is more expensive? Or are they literally just an Android tablet glued to a fridge?
I had a Samsung washing machine for about two decades. We deciced to replace it with another Samsung, it already has a big crack in the plastic after a year of use and the top is all scratched just by dragging the clothes out.
Speed Queen, my parents bought one in 1992 and it lasted over 20 years with almost no issues. When it finally started needing regular maintenance mom replaced it and got another Speed Queen, ten years later not a single issue yet.
Washing machines from 10 years ago are not comparable to the washing machines now and their build quality. Even the speed Queen ones from then to now are far different
The spindles holding the baskets are raw aluminum, which corrodes with detergent. They are designed to fail in 7 years. For many companies, you can't buy the replacement part, and Bosch seals the drum so you can not repair at all.
A year ago I found out my TV didn't even have a "Forget this network" button. You had to
Make a new WiFi network
Connect it to that
Turn off new WiFi network
In order to disconnect it. I went down this road because every time I watched a Blu RAY, it would pop-up an ad saying "HERE ARE OTHER WAYS YOU COULD WATCH THIS MOVIE YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T NEED!"
He services these appliances. Which is to say, he is specifically doing business with people who want to repair and keep theirs, and he has hands on in depth experience not only restoring them to working order but specific direct observation of what their faults and failure modalities are. He bases his positions on how robust a machine is such that people actually bother to get it fixed instead of just replacing it with a "new" one as if whole ass several hundred dollar appliances are single use appliances.
I would like to agree, unfortunately Samsung still gives the longest updates on sub 150 euro phones.
But yeah, why does a refrigerator needs a screen in the first place? My white branded fridge must be nearing at least 15 years old, could use new rubber but apart from what still working perfectly.
The fact that you need updates for a phone is a symptom of the same sort of problem though. These companies are holding us digitally hostage, they tie more ropes around us every day, and the only way to escape is to get out of their reach.
To justify the constant upcharges. Touchscreens still feel much more luxurious than they're actually worth. Car manufacturers do the same to save money.
Could be I'm the minority here, but touchscreens stopped feeling like a value add years ago. Somehow I've wrapped back around to a good button or knob being the marker of quality. One of the reasons I chose my current vehicle was because they let the most common controls (climate, radio, etc) stay tactile.
Yeah, I figured that's almost assuredly the case on a forum like Lemmy (or Reddit prior to the Exodus) but I don't know whether it can be extrapolated to the public at large. I'm practically a Luddite compared to many folks around here, but I'm possibly the most advanced computer user among my peers simply because I know a couple Win key shortcuts and I've used powershell before (with no comprehension of what I was doing, to be clear).
It seems like most folks are willing to put up with bad UX, whether due to ignorance or apathy.
It's literally not an extrapolation. Multiple manufacturers are going back to buttons, Volkswagen and Honda being two of the first, now Cadillac is doing rnd for gm with a new row of premium feeling ones. And this is purely because of consumer backlash on touchscreens.
The best part about this is it’s an ad for Pluribus where, without spoiling anything, a message like that on a fridge would absolutely work in the show.
Now wait for the subscription service to get rid of ads on the fridge you bought and "own". Oh, and that neat thing they do with cars now where you have to subscribe to get certain feature? That's also next.
"Only 5$10$ 20$ per month to keep your fridge cool enough so the milk won't spoil! It's not a normal function of the fridge, it's our super special anti-bacterial option that costs extra.
Black Mirror season 7 (I think) has an episode about this. Surgery to fix a part of brain (not cheap) installing a chip. And after some time pay a subscription to get rid of ads. And subscription gets more expensive over time.
I'm ready to move to a commune. But like.... not a hippie Luddite commune that shirks all technology. Just one that isn't fucking insane about the tech in their lives. basically one that rewinds a bit back towards maybe the early to mid 2000s. Where we had a of the tech in a still mostly uncorrupted form.
Its like "the village" for people who are utterly exhausted by corporate greed. Someone get M. Night Shammalamma or whatever on the phone.
An interesting, to me, aside: The luddites were not, as is commonly taught, anti-technology. They were protesting against the consolidation of money/power that technology was making possible. We don't want to teach class warfare though.
Everyone with a shred of sanity they are still clinging to is, we're just too beaten down by the world around us and not galvanized by supportive communities of like-minded individuals with enough anger to take action, yet. It'll happen eventually. Especially if AI leads to the sort of job losses everyone's expecting.
People with lots of time on their hands and nothing to lose start to become real interesting people that do real interesting things.
Your sentiment is understandable but I have some concerns. Children are usually pretty innocent, and worse, they're often very quick, and surprisingly resilient so even if you do hit them you might not even succeed at causing major injury.
I recommend reconsidering your strategy and backing over a senior citizen instead, it's almost as effective at creating public outrage, much more reliable, and ideally you might even be able to find a particular senior citizen who, for example, worked as a venture capitalist who funded this sort of technology or something else that implies some measure of responsibility, making multiple contributions to the cause at once and providing some form of karmic justice to the world.
Personally, I think it's a nice idea. Could put a family calendar on there. Apparently these fridges had a built in webcam as well to check stock. But I wouldn't trust anything samsung with a screen.
One of the ideas I recall hearing about in relation to fridges with screens was that it could show you the inside of the fridge without you having to open it. That might be slightly useful. Even more interesting would be if the fridge could somehow determine the status of the foods inside and let you know (produce rotting, etc). But of course, capitalism's ideas of how to use a screen is ads. That's it. The only legitimate use for screens.
Thank god fridges have ads now. I have been so unhappy not knowing what to purchase every day of my life. Now my fridge can tell me all the things I should purchase to fill up my home and go so deep into debt that I will be homeless.
Thanks Samsung, I was too stupid to do this without you.
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Only the poors will have this. Your land Lord is going to go for the cheapest option which will probably have a screen you don't want with sound you can't mute.
People buying subzero or other luxury brands will be fine though.
Your entire home will. They're going to figure out how to pipe ads through every connection you have. When your smoke alarm batteries need changing, it will start blaring ads for Eveready.
I can feel it coming. I've started to devest myself anything that dares to show me an ad. It's liberating. You don't actually have to live in their algorithmic black box. RSS still exist, fediverse isn't going anywhere and the constellation of ad blockers are still doing the Lords work. Fuck the marketers.
For me its a principle thing too. I've always really despised tv adverts back when we only had 4 channels in the UK and I've maintained the hatred all these years. If you do even the most cursory dive into marketing you realise the people involved in the industry are the most vile, horrible cunts ever.
I can appreciate a well made ad that hits the right notes - comedy, heart, etc. A good one can be like a tiny movie.
The only real problems is that those decent ads are only about 1 out of 10, or less, and then they show ALL of them, good or bad, way too many times, until you want to attack the TV with a flamethrower.
We went on a huge rant about it to partners lately, about how the entire concept of advertising is defection to entities that exist enough to have experiences, an endlessly escalating Red Queen's race of who can be louder, more memorable, more in your face, BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY
It's infuriating and depressing by turns, and most of the entities around just brush it off as it gets louder and louder and louder.
Last night, I stayed in a hotel with streaming on the TV, so I checked out YouTube, and some past guest left it signed in.
His algorithm looked a LOT different from mine, with a lot of really sappy religious stuff. I wondered what the guy is going to think when his algorithm is starts recommending guitar videos. It could be worse.
Remember when these psychos wanted to kill Bill Gates because somehow Windows was planting nanochips in our blood streams or something? I don't know, I try not to listen to the ramblings of mentally ill people. They don't get any more lucid just cause they're wearing a suit, and wrangled an appearance on Meet The Press.
Now they got a guy who openly states that he wants to plant microchips in our brain for some reason, and they all think he's the second greatest human ever. MAGAs would definitely elect him president if they could. I wouldn't be surprised if they held a write-in vote for him, then insist that he be president, just because they got so many votes, even if it isn't enough to beat the real candidate. Write in votes should count as 3 Votes, because they're harder, and you have to write and spell and stuff, something like that.
I have seen a video about this shit also being implemented in cars. You can drive down the highway, with your GPS on and a pop up ad appears out of the blue, blocking the screen, not really allowing you to get rid of it before you remove your attention from the road to the screen, trying to figure out what button to push to get rid of the ad.
And the fact that people pay extra for cars and fridges to show them ads is just so friggin stupid. If people buy these products after knowing that they pay extra to be bombarded with ads, its 100% on them.
But in the case of the car, I do feel that shit should be illegal. It's so fucking dangerous and irresponsible from the manufacturer to implement a "feature" that can cost lives.
Only if people buy those things. I doubt the majority of people wants to pay extra for fridges with screens in them.
I think this shit is a fad that will go away in the same way 3D and VR did despite everyone promising this was the future. It's too expensive, too impractical and won't hold up once the novelty wears off.
I'm comparing smart fridges to 3D and VR because that is the proper comparison. All three are tech gimmicks that are too expensive and annoying to implement into daily life and that is why I believe smart fridges are a fad that won't last/spread. Especially not in these times where people don't have any money.
Using video games, the internet and gay sex as example of why smart fridges will become popular is both baffling and goofy to me, but maybe that was the point? If not, I'm not following your logic at all. Can you elaborate on where you see a link?
I was being somewhat cheeky with the third, yes, but the era of the other two doesn't discount the historical fact that people of that time said similar: they were a fad, gimmicky, of little interest to gen pop, etc., so the cautionary analogy is still valid. 😜
In the same vein, there are many things that were in fact fads that have since faded into obscurity because they didn't make people's lives easier and/or weren't affordable for most os us. The smart home was one thing that was all the rage at some point back in the 2010s and they are probably still something that more affluent people invest in, but the rest of us, who can't really afford it, don't have smart homes.
I can totally see a revised version of the smart fridge becoming popular longterm if they are designed to be useful and making people's lives easier. However, the current designs of smart fridges are not helpful nor useful. They are a shallow gimmick and that is why they will not last unless manufacturers stop designing them for advertisement and start designing them to make people's lives easier.
Why on earth would anybody buy a fridge with a screen? Why does everything have to be screens? Why is it all one big mobile phone nowadays? Can't we just not be staring gormlessly into a flashing screen for two fucking seconds for a fucking change?????????? I just got back inside from a run and now I'm going outside again for a walk in the dark and the rain because there is an entire world out there that isn't an algorithmically driven advertising funnel trying to shove more bullshit down our eager eyes, ears, and throats.
Although, while I'm on the subject, the outside world is fucking chock full of ads. I've heard it's relatively trivial to open those advertising windows on bus stops - does anybody know if it would be illegal to open one up and simply place a large black sheet of paper or something in there to cover up the ads? Not damage the ads or remove (i.e. steal) them, but just cover them up to give ourselves and our communities a break from the relentless marketers in our midst?
We deserve not have to our senses monetised and weaponised by perverts who cum themselves dry over CTRs, CLVs, CPCs, SEO, Brand Loyalty, Funnels, and Strategies, Local SEO, whatever else. We deserve to be able to look in any direction when we're outside and for five minutes not have some massive gaudy advert designed by a bellend pushed into view.
And as for fucking User Personas? I've got a User Persona for you, you sick advertising creeps. It's my fucking ballsack.
I can see a screen though, if only the consumer had control over it and it were modifiable
Think about the traditional calendar on the fridge - why not update that to digital? It could be a visible central place for lists or white board or notes. Maybe home status notifications or personal locations like the Weasley clock in Harry Potter? But there are so many reasons for this to be a nonstarter from the manufacturer. Just no.
What they should be doing is a modular set of hooks or brackets so you can choose to securely mount items of your choice. Such as a screen you control and can replace when it breaks
if i could install and run Home Assistant on this, i could see having a use for it... but that requires me to have complete control, and not samsungs BS
Why on earth would anybody buy a fridge with a screen?
Because like "smart" TVs, it's getting more and more difficult to get good ones without the "smart" bits. It might've been on sale, and they didn't realize the avarice at play.
I already decided to stop buying Samsung TVs when they started showing ads in the menus.
I imagine other consumers will start to make similar choices with their appliances.
Whatever exec thought this was a good idea probably already got a huge bonus and will move on to ruin another company's products before the impact to their bottom line is felt.
Any non-smart TVs you would recommend? And what would be your preferred streaming device?
I think a good balance would be a TV that only supports casting either with Chromecast or AirPlay or something similar. The last Chromecast I bought couldn't even keep up with 4k streaming but 4k streaming works fine on my smart TV.
But you can't make that choice if every brand does it. And then they can make it not function properly without internet access. They will force the internet of shit on us.
So, if I bought this at Costco, and the fridge was 10 years old, I'd use their guarantee to return the motherfucker and make a huge epic fucking scene if they tried to refuse.
"You did a thing, you knew what was going to happen" is victim-blaming. It's increasingly hard NOT to buy a device that has some bullshit tech pushed into it, or AI pushed into it. And I'd bet there was nothing on the sales floor about eventual ads.
i partially agree, but: buying a fridge without a screen is fairly trivial still (luckily). buying a tv that is not "smart" is fucking difficult, and (at least last time I had to do it a couple of years ago) you are basically left with subpar screen technology because the fancy screens go into the crappy smart tv line.
the solution is defining for yourself, and accepting the "good enough" level... basically stop caring. life is not about your devices. (unless it's your homelab.)
Imagine that. You not only paid for the refrigerator, but also the electricity and the internet access. And it uses all of that stuff to display ads to you. You're literally paying for every ad it shows you.
That's exactly the thing that turned me off cable. I'm not interested in paying for a service that's going to pipe ads into my home. OTA TV, fine, I'm not paying for that. When I can pay for services that don't show me ads, why would I pay for one that does?
Don't worry, they are gradually taking that option away too.
Then the answer becomes to get those things without paying someone to show you ads.
When the illegal choice becomes the objective best experience, you're just a savvy consumer.
I arrgree
Joke's on you: product placement in movies. The ads are already there.
Jokes on them, I don't recognize half the car emblems they flash at me.
So? If I'm paying for a thing, I'll sooner pay for a thing that doesn't have ads than one that does.
When that fails, there's always the high seas.
You wouldn't download a fridge, would you?
https://fridge0.branchable.com/
I love the DIY crowd, I don't really need most of these sort of things myself (yet), but it's important that they exist, and that people do these things, to prove it can be done and to develop and maintain the knowledge of how it can be done.
In an ideal world, we shouldn't have to be independently reverse engineering and reinventing our own tools and appliances and all this would just have to be done once and then shared to become widespread human knowledge. But instead it is "intellectual property" and commercialized and value engineered into maliciously anti-human exploitation devices. Apparently the world we live in is pretty far from ideal.
Bookmarking this for the future
I absolutely would! That's pretty kickass
If you paid me just 5 bucks a month I'd let them install that fridge in my house.
Yeah, I might accept that.
Actually, I could use a new fridge...
Ok, who wants to pay me a subscription fee to give me a fridge? Get in line, I'll only be accepting applicants today!
That's a good point actually. You can eliminate these ads by taking it off the Wi-Fi.
Why you'd connect it to the internet in the first place is a mystery to me
I have my washer and dryer connected to the internet. I set up an automation that flashes the lights upstairs when a load is done, and turns on the laundry room lights. I suspect there are some fun automation opportunities with this fridge, too. But my washer and dryer don’t have giant touch screens or ads. I’d never buy this fridge.
You don't have to have a smart washer and dryer to do this. If you get a smart outlet that monitors power usage, you can have it notify you when the usage dips. That's how I do it.
Are there smart outlets that can handle 240v?
Yes but they're very expensive. But if you just want to monitor you can use something like: this
Yeah smart devices are far too smart, usually for absolutely no real reason. They're very appealing to people who overthink things (which is often myself, and I admit it). Sometimes we really should make an effort to embrace the dumb. Simplicity has its own elegance, and is often far more reliable.
I mean, yeah. I'm with you 100%
Now who's the patsie
That thing would already have a broken cracked screen if that was mine and it started displaying ads.
What a fucking dystopia
You probably wouldn't make the initial mistake of buying a fridge with a fixed tablet
I still haven't understood why people bought those. What it does a screen in my fucking fridge do any good for me?
Fair point
Literally any other electronic device?
On my calculator.
I hear people type grocery lists or that kind of stuff into them imstead of having a magnet whiteboard.
No idea, I would never buy one with a screen. An icemaker and water dispenser is as fancy as I am willing to go.
The icemaker and water dispenser are always the first things to break too. Fuck all that shit, just give me a box that stays cold with a light that works.
Ice trays last 20+ years. And you can fill them with flavored water or yogurt.
I get that, but it is so damn convenient to just put a cup in the dispenser and have the fridge put ice in it.
No way. Ice cube trays start to crack after a year or two.
Maybe thise are the thin ones. I have thicker ones
Mmmm microplastics 🤤
You know ice cube trays are usually rubber right?
My wife picked an LG as our last fridge and the first thing to go was the compressor and the second thing to go was the compressor again. The water dispenser and icemaker held up fine :)
The water stuff is certainly the most likely to go, but I've had pretty good luck so far.
They're actually super easy to fix. Generally it's just the solenoid needs to be swapped out. You can buy them cheap on Amazon for most fridges and install takes like 10 minutes.
I stay away from the OEM ones. While they do last longer, it's cheaper to replace it every 3 years or so for like $30 than it is to pay for the OEM one.
And even that's a stretch!
That's what I have a phone for.
But yeah, probably. And knowing Samsung, you would probably need a Samsung phone for the app sync.
Real, we have notes on our phone off we’re in a pinch but we usually use a physical note book
My fridge has an ice maker. I fill the little trays with water and put them in the freezer and they turn into ice. Works great.
Some have cameras on the inside that let you view the contents without opening it. Some have AI that use the cameras to track your food stock. I doubt either of these things justify the amount of resources they consume to accomplish this pointless bullshit.
that's just going to lead to grocery store ads: hey there, low on milk? i can tell.. get 5¢ off
AI: that's a duck!
No, it's a rotting cabbage. I should have gotten the dumb fridge.
Built in closed source Grocy, I assume?
Now you know to think twice before buying Samsung anything
Samsung recently released UI 8 for Android, which had the astounding forward-thinking and innovative move of removing the ability to silence your phone by hitting the volume down button
idk what phone I'm gonna buy next, but that's the last straw with Samsung for me. I'm already sick of them changing features on the phone to make them worse, like how in order to do a partial screenshot (a feature I used to use a lot) you now need to click the button and wait a few seconds for the "AI" to think about what portion of the screen to select. you cannot skip this waiting period. you cannot disable this (that I have found). you cannot 'undo' when you draw a box around a section that includes text and it tries to helpfully extract the text for you instead of just fucking taking a screenshot of the highlighted portion of the screen
fuck Samsung
a guy at work said graphene has been going pretty good
I like my Motorola it's on the cheaper side but it has an AUX and a disturbingly good battery. Still android so you have to deal with BS, but hey the slightly better model has an microSD card slot so that's good I guess.
Oh thank fuck I disabled updates holy hell my phone would be in a billion pieces and my wife would kill me for destroying my phone.
that doesn't turn the phone on silent
yes, they replaced the partial crop with AI select. same method of using it, worse feature
I'm on a relatively new phone, so it must be because Samsung sucks
the OCR button doesn't undo, it just flashes and then reselects the same thing with the text highlighted
maybe mine is buggy. either way, it's still because Samsung sucks and the feature doesn't work.
If you're that fed up, may as well buy an iPhone and root/flash the thing to a custom OS, or another Samsung, and do the same thing. Those brands have consistently had the best hardware, so if you're gonna just nuke the software anyway, which is your best option, may as well get the hardware that you want.
No offense but what world are you living in where you can just install custom firmware on iPhones and Samsungs? I'd love to live in that world but those are two of the worst manufacturers for cfw support
I think Huawei is worse
Did they disable jailbreaking and flashing new roms on in the last few years?
yes
Well fuck. Looks like I need to stockpile some Galaxy S10s
Can you even root those brands easily?
Not anymore
I'm not sure that it was ever easy. I haven't rooted anything newer than a Samsung Galaxy S10, but it was possible then.
Root/flash an iPhone? How?
Jailbreaking is the term for an iPhone, IIRC.
But that's just semantics, as the end result is the same. Which leads back to my original question: how? Rooting a modern iphone has been all but impossible for quite some time now.
I haven't done it for a few years. Didn't know they killed it on newer models
It's a smart fridge; they didn't even think once when they bought it
I don't know there are a lot of features on a smart fridge that are pretty cool a lot of things that actually can come in handy that I really appreciate it when I considered purchasing one. I'm glad that I didn't make the purchase before they came out with this idiotic bullshit.
A refrigerator has to do two things.
I want my fridge to be as dumb as possible.
I hate embedded smart stuff in devices in general as they always get support dropped way too soon (and often enshittified with updates as demonstrated), but as a concept a fridge that would keep track what's in it, their expiration dates, and auto-updated a shopping list when something is used up would actually be really handy.
Wanted to make some pasta few nights back but I was out of cheese and the cream had expired, so instant noodles for dinner it was. Again.
I mean, give me some health metrics over ZigBee..
I would prefer the light didn't come on tbh, too bright and people can see me through the front window looking for snacks in the dark
What are said cool features?
I mean for me it was the fact that it was an embedded tablet the fact that you could trade shopping list and automatically send them to your phones so that way you remembered what to get at the store or while you're at the store items to be added. Capability for attack actually keep track of when stuff is expiring so that way you knew hey you know what I better go buy this even though it's not on my list because what's in here is going to be bad things like that. Also do enjoy watching and looking at recipes online having extra counter space and not having a tablet or having to pull my phone out every 30 seconds while looking at recipes or listening to music or even watching a show while I'm cooking on days like Thanksgiving having the football game playing stuff like that. People that are opposed to advancements in technology are often the ones that hold us back. But luckily there are far fewer people that are actually opposed to it and most of them are concentrated to small forms such as this. we can see based on the amount of sales that the vast majority of people do want the smart fridge new on additional features besides just being able to open and close it and keeping stuff cold or frozen.
Wow. Not even a tasteful design, just turning the fridge into a full fledged highway billboard. Disgusting.
At least it's static. They could've done a constant animation for maximal annoyance while you're trying to focus on cutting onions.
I'm sure it's in the pipeline, with sounds. Gonna have our appliances acting like gas pumps do.
Have you used one of those gas pumps with a screen recently? That's definitely where it's going.
No, those aren't a thing where I live thankfully, although that would probably cause me to switch petrol stations if they started doing this (or finally buy an electric car so I can have the ads on a giant screen while I'm driving /s).
The other day I had to wait for the ad video to stop playing before I could press "Yes" to have it print a receipt. I won't be going back to that location.
gas station near me had those about 5 years or so ago. I'm not sure if they still have them or not, but volume pumped up to a crazy level too.
Yes, and through terrible, tiny speakers.
i think eventually we're gonna have to deal with the reality that audio/video advertising needs to be outlawed. keep it in print if necessary.
Why does there still need to be advertisements though?
I'd completely ban marketing altogether. Their only purpose is to hack human brains in order to get them to buy stuff they otherwise wouldn't. They are the reason we have overconsumption.
Start with the example of the city of São Paulo, the 4th largest city in the world, which banned all outdoor advertising many years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cidade_Limpa
How would you even do that? Marketing is tied up into every single purchasing decision we make. The colors and fonts on the packaging; the perceived value or luxury of the store you're buying it from; the placement of the products within that store; the price of the product itself. All of these signal things about the perceived value of the product and influence what people purchase.
There are some things I want to know about that may or may not be considered advertising. Stuff like a band I like going on tour, or a video game I'm interested in releasing.
Maybe in your world those could just be like opt-in newsletters.
I think allowing print and physical media would enable using signs outside your building, use branding on your documents, etc. plus make it more valuable for the already dying media of print, and also pretty much make advertising an opt in situation since you can choose to engage in it, rather than having something like the fucking sphere blazed into your retina with the power of 15 suns in the middle of the night.
Banning "marketing" in general is impossible. In order for humans to survive, we need to acquire means of sustenance. With social division of labor, you cannot acquire all the means of sustenance you need by yourself or within your immediate community. As such, a market is necessary to exchange commodities, including means of sustenance and means of production, and the mere act of bringing a commodity to a market is, by definition, marketing.
Banning advertising in general is more possible, but probably a bad idea. Imagine you want to buy bread. How would you go about that? Look for a "bakery" sign? Whoops, that's advertising, can't have that. Your best bet then is, like, going into every single open door on the street until you find a bakery, which doesn't sound good at all.
What we should do is regulate advertising down to its minimum necessary function, which is helping people find what they are already looking for, plus maybe PSA type of ads (e.g. reminding you to get vaccinated and stuff). So yeah, most modern ads should be banned, but some should be kept because there is some actual use in them.
What about QVC tho
It could be moved onto a special "reservation" where it could continue to live in its own way, with its ancient customs and traditions.
So genocide?
Could go either way. We don't always have to repeat history.
Could we though, just this once, just for old times' sake?
Aww, go on. Just a teensy bit of genocide, as a treat.
I disagree. I think that's far too extreme, there shouldn't be blanket bans because big tech ruins it for everyone, it harms stuff like minor indie creators or small buisnesses, that being said it needs to be HEAVILY regulated, like fridges should never have ads nor any smart appliance
How about... we go a step further and just stop making appliances "smart"?
My toaster doesn't need AI to tell the difference between a fucking bagel and a slice of bread. They already figured out solutions to this shit decades ago.
Lots of appliances doesn't need to be smart, I agree, there are plenty borderline where I think there is some benifit, bulbs for example, I think things should be a lot more local, it's a shame people use cloud solutions instead of home assistant or how much telemetry these smart appliances are allowed to get.
I don't think a content provider should be allowed to have more than 5-10% of their content be advertisements.
Website screen space, newspapers, tv channels, etc
Instagram shouldn't have more than 1-2 sponsored post for every 20 posts. At the moment it seems closer to 10.
An hour long TV slot shouldn't have more than 3-6 minutes of advertisement. At the moment it's closer to 20-30.
Eh, I would say just ban all paid advertisements like ones you're describing. Want to advertise your product? Send it over to some state-run hub, which then randomly distributes it to professional reviewers. They then publish their findings, and if your product is good and people are looking for your product category, they will find you.
Get rid of stupid ads where the only reason they are shown to you is because someone is paid to stuff it in your face. Ads should be something you actively seek out, not something being shoved in your face.
Please stop buying these & they will stop making them.
This is capitalism, they will stop making the normal fridges and only make these fucking things. The only power customers truly have is through regulation(though we should still boycott things because it still helps).
Then people will claim no one was buying the normal ones. *looks at light trucks and smartphones with a headphone jack*
Or all the automatics in the states, or all the cars that only seem to come in black, white, or silver. Can also look at a lot of food, especially in food deserts, or public transit being gutted when ridership is low(because it was never funded in the first place).
People need to pay literally any kind of attention. I feel like this information, with studies to back it up that also aren’t by conservative think-tanks, is so readily available and yet also there are people who have zero clue about anything, like you’re saying.
In which case a new industry appears that makes smart appliances stupid.
Certain groups will lobby really hard to make it illegal and punishable.
So what? People do illegal shit all the time.
Yeah, true, but it certainly would add a lot of economic pressure on that industry.
Yes, but most people would put up with it instead because they’re afraid of the consequences. As much as they use “hackers” for scaring everyone these corporations likely don’t actually care since they know it’s only a handful of people. They know they just need to be stubborn enough for someone to forget after even only a couple months, or to create a boogie man to discourage them from fighting back.
It’s regulation or we’re fucked. Individuals do not have the necessary power to fight these large industries.
Appliance repair man here. You can turn the screen off from a cover you remove from the top of the fridge door. Do so. You don't need a fucking android tablet on your fridge.
Also don't buy these kinds of appliances. They're terrible!
Yeah man, I'll take my 1990's ass GE fridge I got for free over one of these any day.
It's a significantly better fridge in every way a lot of my clients have a really hard time understanding or believing that.
But it doesn't have stainless steel or French doors. I can't even talk to Alexa on it. It's just like, a fridge. Who wants that?
Are there any brands that are total shite these days? We are gonna have to replace our crappy Samsung fridge from 2013 soon.
Bosch makes a few descent models.
Things to skip on all brands.
External water & ice dispensers, doesnt matter the brand. You're cutting a fucking hole in the thermal envelope to put a faulty device that's experiencing mechanical stress on parts every time you open/close the door. It's not a matter of if it will fail, but when. Also, increased operational cost. Internal water dispensers and automatic ice makers are always the better option if you want those features.
Smart features. Why the fuck do you need smart features on a fridge? Even if it's using AI vision to scan for inventory... Just no, fucking no. That's more personal data on you to be bought, sold, data breached, and utilized to fuck you somehow.
Fridges that split the freezer and fridge on a vertically.
THIS. they call them french doors. Stay away from this bullshit. You don't need it.
No, French doors just means two doors that meet in the middle, usually just the fridge (which is up top) has it, and they're ok usually. Split vertically is called side by side, and they suck, can't even handle frozen pizza...
I remember helping my mom buy a fridge and the main thing was we wanted a good ice dispencer that wouldnt break, and the dude was like sorry dude doesnt exist they are all equally shitty, its always going to break, pick any
I just bought this one a couple months ago. It goes on sale frequently for $2K from Lowe's: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Frigidaire-Gallery-21-5-cu-ft-4-Door-Counter-depth-French-Door-Refrigerator-with-Ice-Maker-Smudge-proof-Stainless-Steel-ENERGY-STAR/5013313509
Pretty sure we got an RMA for the first unit as the door had a scratch and the compressor fan sounded high pitched. Got a next day replacement and no complaints on the second one. Was concerned about sqft as we were coming from a 25sqft but am surprisingly happy with this one.
If you're in the states you've probably had the ice maker replaced in that fridge.
I wouldn't expect it to last much longer definitely count on it breaking down at some point in the very near future.
I've heard that appliances in general and refrigerators specifically, from the last many years are crap. I don't know what the cut off date is, but I hear that they're generally made to break after a few years now and don't have replacement parts for very long. @[email protected] may have a more informed answer, but it seems to me that people are better off buying old fridges used from friends or relatives.
I’m of the opinion that manufactures should be required to supply parts for appliances and equipment for a minimum of 10 years.
Completely agree. Not only for appliances but computers and smartphones too, including security updates.
What the fuck do they even do? I thought they were supposed to scan the ingredients in your fridge, then tell you what's about to expire and what recipes you can make. But apparently they can't even do that, so what purpose do they serve that I can't already accomplish by bringing my phone into the kitchen?
Can they at least monitor the temperature across different areas of the fridge, or connect to my power meter like my thermostat can and optimize power usage to be lower when electricity is more expensive? Or are they literally just an Android tablet glued to a fridge?
Yes
Samsung appliances used to be durable.
I had a Samsung washing machine for about two decades. We deciced to replace it with another Samsung, it already has a big crack in the plastic after a year of use and the top is all scratched just by dragging the clothes out.
Speed Queen, my parents bought one in 1992 and it lasted over 20 years with almost no issues. When it finally started needing regular maintenance mom replaced it and got another Speed Queen, ten years later not a single issue yet.
Washing machines from 10 years ago are not comparable to the washing machines now and their build quality. Even the speed Queen ones from then to now are far different
The spindles holding the baskets are raw aluminum, which corrodes with detergent. They are designed to fail in 7 years. For many companies, you can't buy the replacement part, and Bosch seals the drum so you can not repair at all.
Damn, South Korean industry really going the way of American car manufacturing, huh?
Kill it with fire.
Disconnect it from the Internet for starters. Why else would a company want to sell you a fridge with a screen?
What can you even do on an un-networked fridge screen? Play bejeweled while contemplating suicide?
Cool screensavers.
A year ago I found out my TV didn't even have a "Forget this network" button. You had to
In order to disconnect it. I went down this road because every time I watched a Blu RAY, it would pop-up an ad saying "HERE ARE OTHER WAYS YOU COULD WATCH THIS MOVIE YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T NEED!"
Couldnt you just change your wifi password and not tell the TV?
Yes, but I'd have to change my WiFi for every other device in my house
Heh. That's how i "delete" my credit card info from a service that i don't want to do business with anymore.
Eat shit Disney. I'm never paying you a dime ever again.
Your first mistake was buying anything Samsung.
How long before the fridge's compressor swells up and explodes
You joke but Samsung fridge compressors ARE notorious for catastrophic mechanical failure.
A fridge on fire is, like, literally the opposite of what a fridge should do >.>;;;
Okay then, any suggestions on what brand to buy?
I for one like this fella's takes.
https://youtu.be/5n76TXuDcok
He services these appliances. Which is to say, he is specifically doing business with people who want to repair and keep theirs, and he has hands on in depth experience not only restoring them to working order but specific direct observation of what their faults and failure modalities are. He bases his positions on how robust a machine is such that people actually bother to get it fixed instead of just replacing it with a "new" one as if whole ass several hundred dollar appliances are single use appliances.
I bet these smart fridges are banned on flights too. Ridiculous.
At least we'll still be able to take our dumb fridge with us right?
They've taken away so much but at least we still have our flight fridges. As long as they are dumb fridges that is.
I would like to agree, unfortunately Samsung still gives the longest updates on sub 150 euro phones.
But yeah, why does a refrigerator needs a screen in the first place? My white branded fridge must be nearing at least 15 years old, could use new rubber but apart from what still working perfectly.
The fact that you need updates for a phone is a symptom of the same sort of problem though. These companies are holding us digitally hostage, they tie more ropes around us every day, and the only way to escape is to get out of their reach.
At least try to struggle.
My place came with samsung laundry machines. I've already regretted it.
Do Not Buy
This. 100%
To justify the constant upcharges. Touchscreens still feel much more luxurious than they're actually worth. Car manufacturers do the same to save money.
Could be I'm the minority here, but touchscreens stopped feeling like a value add years ago. Somehow I've wrapped back around to a good button or knob being the marker of quality. One of the reasons I chose my current vehicle was because they let the most common controls (climate, radio, etc) stay tactile.
You are far from alone. ACTUAL knobs, buttons, dials, switches, and levers are things I'm hearing more and more people saying they miss.
Yeah, I figured that's almost assuredly the case on a forum like Lemmy (or Reddit prior to the Exodus) but I don't know whether it can be extrapolated to the public at large. I'm practically a Luddite compared to many folks around here, but I'm possibly the most advanced computer user among my peers simply because I know a couple Win key shortcuts and I've used powershell before (with no comprehension of what I was doing, to be clear).
It seems like most folks are willing to put up with bad UX, whether due to ignorance or apathy.
It's literally not an extrapolation. Multiple manufacturers are going back to buttons, Volkswagen and Honda being two of the first, now Cadillac is doing rnd for gm with a new row of premium feeling ones. And this is purely because of consumer backlash on touchscreens.
Edit: https://www.kbb.com/car-news/buttons-are-coming-back-to-cars-but-they-will-take-time/ Source link that's not just my ass
One more but from 2020 https://www.carscoops.com/2020/03/honda-goes-back-to-dials-and-buttons-as-customers-grow-weary-of-touchscreens/
The best part about this is it’s an ad for Pluribus where, without spoiling anything, a message like that on a fridge would absolutely work in the show.
It is a perfectly placed ad.
Honestly, it'd work in the 5th element, or judge dredd, total recall, Cyberpunk 2077, the outer worlds, etc.
Bravo, Vince!
by the way the fridge cost 1800$
Wait why the fuck would a fridge be connected to the internet?
Edit: where I come from we don't have unlimited internet plans so this would just be taking up expensive bandwidth and monthly quota.
Fridge with ads should be 1/3 the price with free repairs
Oh no, who could have ever seen that coming?
Now wait for the subscription service to get rid of ads on the fridge you bought and "own". Oh, and that neat thing they do with cars now where you have to subscribe to get certain feature? That's also next. "Only
5$10$20$ per month to keep your fridge cool enough so the milk won't spoil! It's not a normal function of the fridge, it's our super special anti-bacterial option that costs extra.Black Mirror season 7 (I think) has an episode about this. Surgery to fix a part of brain (not cheap) installing a chip. And after some time pay a subscription to get rid of ads. And subscription gets more expensive over time.
Episode 701 Common People
It’s a pretty good one. Feels almost too on the nose, at times.
I'm ready to move to a commune. But like.... not a hippie Luddite commune that shirks all technology. Just one that isn't fucking insane about the tech in their lives. basically one that rewinds a bit back towards maybe the early to mid 2000s. Where we had a of the tech in a still mostly uncorrupted form.
Its like "the village" for people who are utterly exhausted by corporate greed. Someone get M. Night Shammalamma or whatever on the phone.
An interesting, to me, aside: The luddites were not, as is commonly taught, anti-technology. They were protesting against the consolidation of money/power that technology was making possible. We don't want to teach class warfare though.
Huh. I guess I'm a Luddite.
Everyone with a shred of sanity they are still clinging to is, we're just too beaten down by the world around us and not galvanized by supportive communities of like-minded individuals with enough anger to take action, yet. It'll happen eventually. Especially if AI leads to the sort of job losses everyone's expecting.
People with lots of time on their hands and nothing to lose start to become real interesting people that do real interesting things.
I work in tech, and literally have had this conversation multiple times with my other friends that work in tech. We are all completely exhausted.
If you and your friends agree that you want to be part of a commune... Well, there you go! Go and found one!
I'm actively looking for people who would be interested in building a Gay Furry Commune in Massachusetts.
With pooled assets, we can actually AFFORD to buy some land AND build on it.
This is literally already a thing for Jeeps.
what the fuck? isn't that a safety issue?
It’s only when in park I think…at least for now.
As much as there's ads on everything, using it on safety features would be grounds for a lawsuit
like the Cyber truck?
If that happens I'm backing over a child out of spite.
Your sentiment is understandable but I have some concerns. Children are usually pretty innocent, and worse, they're often very quick, and surprisingly resilient so even if you do hit them you might not even succeed at causing major injury.
I recommend reconsidering your strategy and backing over a senior citizen instead, it's almost as effective at creating public outrage, much more reliable, and ideally you might even be able to find a particular senior citizen who, for example, worked as a venture capitalist who funded this sort of technology or something else that implies some measure of responsibility, making multiple contributions to the cause at once and providing some form of karmic justice to the world.
There's a pretty simple hack for this, actually…
Is it AI powered too?
Oh how truly dystopian - maybe next year.
I’m sorry Dave, I can’t dispense any more calories for you today.
"if you go for a 2 mile run, I'll give you 2 carrots, you fat fuck. Take the watch!"
Most likely. But even if it isn't, it will soon be after the next firmware update.
What is the purpose of a screen on a fridge? Is this common (without the ads)?
If not, how would you not notice when you buy it. You'd need to be utterly oblivious.
Maybe they just have unnecessarily contrived fridges where this person is.
Usually like the weather, todo lists, shopping lists, calendar... Like daily routine planning. Some have music or photos.
This all coming from a non fancy fridge owner.
Isn’t that why we have smartphones and computers? Personally I’ve never contemplated going to the kitchen to do such things.
I've heard that people spend quite a bit of time in the kitchen cooking and socializing. I don't know anyone who does that. I don't know anyone.
Rich people
upper middle class people, they love to gossip
Omg did you hear? Becky down the road is pregnant and isn't even married!
So all the stuff on my phone but on a giant appliance that doesn't move.
Yes for the kids or tech illiterate
an 1800-2k appliance tha tis.
Personally, I think it's a nice idea. Could put a family calendar on there. Apparently these fridges had a built in webcam as well to check stock. But I wouldn't trust anything samsung with a screen.
One of the ideas I recall hearing about in relation to fridges with screens was that it could show you the inside of the fridge without you having to open it. That might be slightly useful. Even more interesting would be if the fridge could somehow determine the status of the foods inside and let you know (produce rotting, etc). But of course, capitalism's ideas of how to use a screen is ads. That's it. The only legitimate use for screens.
That was the only plausible solution I was thinking of.
Thank god fridges have ads now. I have been so unhappy not knowing what to purchase every day of my life. Now my fridge can tell me all the things I should purchase to fill up my home and go so deep into debt that I will be homeless. Thanks Samsung, I was too stupid to do this without you. . . . /s
You can have the Times Square experience right from home!
I'm going to order a huge rug for my livingroom with a massive condom ad on it. Everyone will be so envious of my decor.
Tragically, some marketing dipshits and more than a few executives had this exact same thoughts about us without the /s.
By 2030 everyone's kitchen will look like fucking Times Square
The stairs to your basement will look like the London Underground. We're going down the fucking tube... literally and metaphorically
Only the poors will have this. Your land Lord is going to go for the cheapest option which will probably have a screen you don't want with sound you can't mute.
People buying subzero or other luxury brands will be fine though.
Your entire home will. They're going to figure out how to pipe ads through every connection you have. When your smoke alarm batteries need changing, it will start blaring ads for Eveready.
I can feel it coming. I've started to devest myself anything that dares to show me an ad. It's liberating. You don't actually have to live in their algorithmic black box. RSS still exist, fediverse isn't going anywhere and the constellation of ad blockers are still doing the Lords work. Fuck the marketers.
Always wild when people seem confused about why you'd want to do this.
BECAUSE THESE ONES LOOKED AT YOUR SCREEN AND THE ARTICLE WAS TWO INCHES OF TEXT BETWEEN FIVE INCH ADVERTISER BARS BRENDA THAT'S WHY
For me its a principle thing too. I've always really despised tv adverts back when we only had 4 channels in the UK and I've maintained the hatred all these years. If you do even the most cursory dive into marketing you realise the people involved in the industry are the most vile, horrible cunts ever.
Fuck your ads, fuck your marketing. Choose no.
I can appreciate a well made ad that hits the right notes - comedy, heart, etc. A good one can be like a tiny movie.
The only real problems is that those decent ads are only about 1 out of 10, or less, and then they show ALL of them, good or bad, way too many times, until you want to attack the TV with a flamethrower.
We went on a huge rant about it to partners lately, about how the entire concept of advertising is defection to entities that exist enough to have experiences, an endlessly escalating Red Queen's race of who can be louder, more memorable, more in your face, BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY
It's infuriating and depressing by turns, and most of the entities around just brush it off as it gets louder and louder and louder.
Last night, I stayed in a hotel with streaming on the TV, so I checked out YouTube, and some past guest left it signed in.
His algorithm looked a LOT different from mine, with a lot of really sappy religious stuff. I wondered what the guy is going to think when his algorithm is starts recommending guitar videos. It could be worse.
And with neurolink, they'll find a way to shove ads in when you close your eyes and subliminal thoughts
Remember when these psychos wanted to kill Bill Gates because somehow Windows was planting nanochips in our blood streams or something? I don't know, I try not to listen to the ramblings of mentally ill people. They don't get any more lucid just cause they're wearing a suit, and wrangled an appearance on Meet The Press.
Now they got a guy who openly states that he wants to plant microchips in our brain for some reason, and they all think he's the second greatest human ever. MAGAs would definitely elect him president if they could. I wouldn't be surprised if they held a write-in vote for him, then insist that he be president, just because they got so many votes, even if it isn't enough to beat the real candidate. Write in votes should count as 3 Votes, because they're harder, and you have to write and spell and stuff, something like that.
I have seen a video about this shit also being implemented in cars. You can drive down the highway, with your GPS on and a pop up ad appears out of the blue, blocking the screen, not really allowing you to get rid of it before you remove your attention from the road to the screen, trying to figure out what button to push to get rid of the ad.
And the fact that people pay extra for cars and fridges to show them ads is just so friggin stupid. If people buy these products after knowing that they pay extra to be bombarded with ads, its 100% on them.
But in the case of the car, I do feel that shit should be illegal. It's so fucking dangerous and irresponsible from the manufacturer to implement a "feature" that can cost lives.
Don't worry, the fridge ones'll have ads for kids soon, with a candy-coated Buy Now button. Go-o-o *society!*🥳
Atwood's a gawdamn fortune teller
Only if people buy those things. I doubt the majority of people wants to pay extra for fridges with screens in them.
I think this shit is a fad that will go away in the same way 3D and VR did despite everyone promising this was the future. It's too expensive, too impractical and won't hold up once the novelty wears off.
You realize that's exactly what they said about video games in the early days, right? And the Internet. And gay sex.
I'm comparing smart fridges to 3D and VR because that is the proper comparison. All three are tech gimmicks that are too expensive and annoying to implement into daily life and that is why I believe smart fridges are a fad that won't last/spread. Especially not in these times where people don't have any money.
Using video games, the internet and gay sex as example of why smart fridges will become popular is both baffling and goofy to me, but maybe that was the point? If not, I'm not following your logic at all. Can you elaborate on where you see a link?
I was being somewhat cheeky with the third, yes, but the era of the other two doesn't discount the historical fact that people of that time said similar: they were a fad, gimmicky, of little interest to gen pop, etc., so the cautionary analogy is still valid. 😜
In the same vein, there are many things that were in fact fads that have since faded into obscurity because they didn't make people's lives easier and/or weren't affordable for most os us. The smart home was one thing that was all the rage at some point back in the 2010s and they are probably still something that more affluent people invest in, but the rest of us, who can't really afford it, don't have smart homes.
I can totally see a revised version of the smart fridge becoming popular longterm if they are designed to be useful and making people's lives easier. However, the current designs of smart fridges are not helpful nor useful. They are a shallow gimmick and that is why they will not last unless manufacturers stop designing them for advertisement and start designing them to make people's lives easier.
On what, the fucking fridge?
Why on earth would anybody buy a fridge with a screen? Why does everything have to be screens? Why is it all one big mobile phone nowadays? Can't we just not be staring gormlessly into a flashing screen for two fucking seconds for a fucking change?????????? I just got back inside from a run and now I'm going outside again for a walk in the dark and the rain because there is an entire world out there that isn't an algorithmically driven advertising funnel trying to shove more bullshit down our eager eyes, ears, and throats.
Although, while I'm on the subject, the outside world is fucking chock full of ads. I've heard it's relatively trivial to open those advertising windows on bus stops - does anybody know if it would be illegal to open one up and simply place a large black sheet of paper or something in there to cover up the ads? Not damage the ads or remove (i.e. steal) them, but just cover them up to give ourselves and our communities a break from the relentless marketers in our midst?
We deserve not have to our senses monetised and weaponised by perverts who cum themselves dry over CTRs, CLVs, CPCs, SEO, Brand Loyalty, Funnels, and Strategies, Local SEO, whatever else. We deserve to be able to look in any direction when we're outside and for five minutes not have some massive gaudy advert designed by a bellend pushed into view.
And as for fucking User Personas? I've got a User Persona for you, you sick advertising creeps. It's my fucking ballsack.
I can see a screen though, if only the consumer had control over it and it were modifiable
Think about the traditional calendar on the fridge - why not update that to digital? It could be a visible central place for lists or white board or notes. Maybe home status notifications or personal locations like the Weasley clock in Harry Potter? But there are so many reasons for this to be a nonstarter from the manufacturer. Just no.
What they should be doing is a modular set of hooks or brackets so you can choose to securely mount items of your choice. Such as a screen you control and can replace when it breaks
if i could install and run Home Assistant on this, i could see having a use for it... but that requires me to have complete control, and not samsungs BS
Because like "smart" TVs, it's getting more and more difficult to get good ones without the "smart" bits. It might've been on sale, and they didn't realize the avarice at play.
Bill Burr could have written this
I already decided to stop buying Samsung TVs when they started showing ads in the menus.
I imagine other consumers will start to make similar choices with their appliances.
Whatever exec thought this was a good idea probably already got a huge bonus and will move on to ruin another company's products before the impact to their bottom line is felt.
The number one feature on my list when buying a TV (or any appliance really) is “dumb”.
Maybe someone should start an appliance brand called DUM and capitalize on this. Plain, no frills, extreme durability appliances. I’d buy!
Any non-smart TVs you would recommend? And what would be your preferred streaming device?
I think a good balance would be a TV that only supports casting either with Chromecast or AirPlay or something similar. The last Chromecast I bought couldn't even keep up with 4k streaming but 4k streaming works fine on my smart TV.
But you can't make that choice if every brand does it. And then they can make it not function properly without internet access. They will force the internet of shit on us.
I never connect smart shit to my internet but I'm sure eventually they won't function until you do.
Bought a new stove recently that wouldn’t alllow the air fry mode to be used unless it was connected to WiFi.
What the fuck?
Name and shame.
BTW, I hate all of this 'air fry' nonsense, we've had convection (fan force) baking for decades.
Horrifying
A piece of cardboard and some tape will take care of that.
If by cardboard you mean gasoline, and tape you mean fire... I agree!
Well, I mean the rest of the fridge is okay, no? More to the point, what would someone do if they didn't have the internet and bought the fridge..
Just because something is "smart" is no reason to let it have access to the internet.
you can use a hammer
So, if I bought this at Costco, and the fridge was 10 years old, I'd use their guarantee to return the motherfucker and make a
hugeepic fucking scene if they tried to refuse.edit: huge wasn't enough, it would be epic.
I fail to see a why a fridge would need a touchscreen in the first place. Like whats the reasoning?
Everyday I'm cyberpunkin'
One more step closer to the old Twilight Zone episodes where the machines come alive.
"Please drink verification can to access the fridge"
"THE VERIFICATION CAN IS IN THE FRIDGE YOU DUMBASS AI"
Or Futurama where ads are beamed directly into your dreams at night.
I feel the sudden urge to buy Lightspeed® Brand briefs.
Yeah, that's terrible. We're already at Minority Reports levels, only still without a great AR device, only the phone itself.
Ngl, that appearing on your fridge fits the show so well though. Points to Apple for abusing Samsung's choice to put ads on a fucking fridge
I don't recognize this, what's it from?
Idk but im seeing cyberpunk, the apartment you have
Bingo Choom!
YEESSSS I WIN
ah TY!
What's the fuss about it? It is always nice to have another
screendoom machine around /sThe dystopia is already here ffs...
I saw a daily Home Depot special for "smart toilets" and my first thought was "you mean I can't poop if AWS is down?!".
You can roll your own with Magic Mirror
https://modules.magicmirror.builders/
What am I looking at?
Buy my ad blocking tape. 0.5 meters only $19.99
Aggressively American
bootstrapping problem if you need to drink your Mountain Dew(tm) verification can before you can open the door.
Gotta keep some warm ones outside the fridge just for this situation. It only takes a couple of warm Mountain Dew's to get people back in line.
"Feed me!"
Why would anyone spend the money to have this in the first place? It’s absolutely laughable.
You bought a fridge with a tv. You knew it was going to happen
I hate this mentality.
"You did a thing, you knew what was going to happen" is victim-blaming. It's increasingly hard NOT to buy a device that has some bullshit tech pushed into it, or AI pushed into it. And I'd bet there was nothing on the sales floor about eventual ads.
i partially agree, but: buying a fridge without a screen is fairly trivial still (luckily). buying a tv that is not "smart" is fucking difficult, and (at least last time I had to do it a couple of years ago) you are basically left with subpar screen technology because the fancy screens go into the crappy smart tv line. the solution is defining for yourself, and accepting the "good enough" level... basically stop caring. life is not about your devices. (unless it's your homelab.)
Hello, yes, can I get some cold?
We have $1299 cold (ad supported) and $1599 cold (ad free).
achoo
Except that the one with ads is more expensive.
Need to be able to jailbreak these and put your own stuff on it.
Like Doom.
This... Is acceptable.
waiting for the zero day fridge vulns... shouldn't be long now
Long Live The White Box!
Suck it, Jin Yang!
Pihole I bet would prevent those ads. Or it would crash and stop cooling...
"Dumb" is the new "smart".
But no, someone thought it’d be cool to be able to surf the web on the fridge. Well, here you are.
There's a slight chance that we'll see a
in the future
No thanks. I wonder if the damn thing will have a hidden barcode reader.
If they do tgat I will mod it.
Fuck off with the fucking ad for pluribus. What the fuck.
It's a show. Now fuck off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQTIuX84ids
" finally"? How long you been wanting them?
There’s an option in the settings app that allows you to turn ads off.
Oh, how kind of Samsung. Pray they don't alter the deal further.
For now