Uncircumcised penis owners, did you ever wish you were circumcised?
For context, I’m circumcised and expecting a son and my wife and I are torn about the circ. We’re American so from a cultural standpoint circumcision is the default choice. Thing is, there’s no real benefit besides practicing a religion we don’t believe in, and I’m uncomfortable about cutting the tip of my son’s dick off.
On the other side, I’ve met a guy who was bullied in high school so bad for it he got a circ as an adult. Apparently crazy painful recovery. I’ve also talked to women who are generally grossed out by uncircumcised men. I don’t want to make him feel like something’s wrong with him his whole life because I was uncomfortable with the idea.
From a moral standpoint I’m against it, but from a social and cultural standpoint I feel like I should do it? It’s a crappy situation. If there’s any uncircumcised American men who want to talk about their penis I’m all ears.
Edit: I really appreciate everyone’s responses I never expected to hear from so many people. With the decision hinging on social and cultural norms it’s been really helpful to be able to take the temperature like this. I obviously need to talk to my wife, but given the overwhelming support of dick hats I don’t thing we’re going to do it. Thanks, lemmings!
Male circumcision is genital mutilation.
If it’s your culture, your culture is dumb.
Except it has more upsides than downsides. In fact, except for extreme outliers there are no downsides. Not once in my life had I ever thought "I wish my parents would have not circumcised me as a baby". From a US perspective, I think it looks better, most women think it looks better, and it saved me from cost, pain, and awkward teen years of waiting until adulthood to make the decision.
OP, you said it yourself, really. You aren't unhappy to be circumcised. You know at least one guy in real life who hated not being circumcised. Do you know anyone in real life; not the internet where people with negative outlooks on an issue tend to be the most outspoken, and not from all the other countries with different cultures and norms, but that you actually know that was mad about being circumcised? I work in a field that's very... Not shy about bringing up things like this. I've never met a guy who wished he wasn't circumcised.
Nanook can go ahead and call it mutilation, trying to lump it in with a dangerous and sexual pleasure ruining practice done to women in a handful of places, but I'll hard disagree. Mutilation is "a severe and disfiguring injury." I don't see circumcised as any of that, and neither do most people where OP or myself are from.
There is like, no upside its literally you making up reasons to justify your condition lol.
You're doing the same thing, but hey, we can both start throwing links at each other to back up our points, if you'd like.
But you know what, lets just say for the sake of argument neither dick has any medical or hygiene or STI risk differences (because there's loads of evidence showing uncircumcised people are at a greater risk of getting those)
I think it looks better, and most people in my country think it looks better. Personal preference? Sure. But personally, we got better looking dicks. The other medical benefits are just a bonus.
You're not going to bring up the sensitivity arguments? Foreskin is a natural part of the body, the fact that it's the norm is meaningless. If we were chopping off the tips of ears or male nipples would there be "no downsides" either? Why not just NOT do the thing? You can't undo a circumcision.
Sensitivity arguments? Go check Google search trends and tell me if the searches for guys trying to last longer is larger than the searches for lasting too long.
Sure buddy, go play with your half dick
Smegma
Imagine arguing "I'm a child who can't clean his own body" in public to justify mutilating children so their genitals are prettier
The infection risk only becomes an issue when you're old. I'm getting circumcised at 70, I'm keeping my dick whole until then. Your dick looks ugly, sorry not sorry.
Also, I'm happy you like your dick, I'm sure you'd also like it if your parents didn't remove a piece.
I don't know who told you it was only a risk when you're old, but that isn't true at all.
Something tells me this guy could talk about dicks all night slong.
All night schlong XD
There are a number of men who are upset about it, they've formed advocacy groups and some use therapies and procedures to regrow foreskin.
https://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/
https://intactamerica.org/
For some balance, this isn't very informative, but it does fairly frame the debate:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3255195/
I mean, there's groups for everything. If just 1% of men in the US were unhappy about having been circumcised, while the other 99% were happy or indifferent about it, that's still over a million people unhappy. It's still a super minority of people.
If any other elective medical procedure had a 1% chance of extreme regret, it would be considered psychologically risky, in addition to the chance of complications.
Do we know the actual numbers for how men feel about the procedure? I think that's important if we're debating this on the merits of joy/regret.
I couldn't find any good sources that surveyed adult men on their parents' circumcision choice.
No.
You are wrong.
There are literally 0 upsides.
There are 0 medically valid reasons to fully or partially circumsize a penis that is not suffering from some kind of rather rare, actual congenital malformation.
The only things you list as upsides are aesthetic, fashion choices, they're only 'popular' where you are ... because they are common where you are.
It literally is a disfiguring injury.
It signifcantly changes how the thing looks, and works. Thats disfigurement.
No, it is not as severe as female clitoral removal.
But, the foreskin has a ton of nerve density in it, comparable to how many nerves your head/glans has in it, as opposed to the significantly lower nerve density on a cut shaft.
A circumcised XY male person literally is not physically capable of experiencing the same level and variation of sensation, of sexual pleasure, as an uncircumcised person.
It also removes the ability of the penis to 'glide' along the foreskin when inserted, which means it changes how it functions.
Automatic male circumcision at birth is literally a brutal, nonconsensual method of reducing the pleasure an XY man can experience from sex.
Thats what it is.
Thats a cultural norm in the US, mainly, and not so much anywhere else.
For the record:
Circumsized guy here, done at birth, then, I learned things.
The US is a brutal and delusion place by the standards of basically everywhere else.
We are the weird ones, we are the brainwashed ones.
We just happen to also make the most porn, and we invented the internet, so our cultural norms have had an outsized importance and level of influence.
Outside of the US, male circumcision is generally only done by fairly extreme religious groups, and for very rare but actually medically necesssary and valid reasons, like some kind of actual congenital abnormality/malformation of the penis that is present at birth.
You say their are literally 0 upsides, but then you name a couple of upsides. Lol.
Also, if you want to be a dick about it, there have been several scientific studies done showing that HIV and most other STI's are significantly less at risk of contraction if you've been circumcised.
You realise people can scroll up and read what he said?
Outside very rare medical conditions, circumcision has zero medical benefit.
Several studies have proven circumcisions significantly reduce the risk of getting an STI, including HIV, during sex.
Don't do it. Let your kid choose as an adult. You can't undo circumcision.
This.
Regardless of the up and downsides respectively, it should be the penis owner himself to decide.
Dude I have a foreskin and it's fucking rad. I can pinch it closed when I pee and it'll fill up like a balloon. How could you deny your son that?
Can’t argue with that
Lmao love all this genuine life advice and you say nothing, one dude shows up and is like "I get to play with my dick like this and you're 100% in hell yeah territory.
Rad.
It's more relatable than some moral position hah
I feel seen
There's also this wonderful comment about memories of playing "peek-a-boo" in the bathtub.
It's important to take time to enjoy the simple things in life.
Can confirm
You can't be bullied if everyone is uncut. And as you say it's cultural, it makes absolutely no sense for me and I don't understand parents who voluntarily butcher the genitals of their children. I can't believe it still exists.
I had a "friend" in highschool try to make me feel bad about being uncut. Saying the typical pseudoscience of "you're dirty" "girls don't like it", it was that day that I decided this guy was stupid beyond repair.
It still exists because people with circumcisions see it as an improvement. It's better.
You may like it better, and it should be your choice to have it. It should be an elective procedure for the individual to make, that's all I believe they are saying.
I'm glad I didn't have to go through 18 years before paying to have it done and being in pain from the surgery.
Okay, but your experience isn't universal. Some people may and some people may not have preferred to have it done as a baby when viewed in hindsight, but it doesn't change that their individual choice was removed.
It isn't universal, but in my country it's the majority.
Because it was thought that it would prevent the moral danger of masturbation by the guy who made Kellogg cereals a thing.
That's it.
Sole reason.
Good job simping for the dude that thought it you never pooped and only had colonics you'd live forever.
Who cares how it started? It looks better, women generally like it more, and it makes you less likely to get an STI.
I’m uncut and went through my childhood and teenage years in the US. No one cared in preschool, and no one cared in the Highschool locker room, none of the women I slept with cared. It might be painful as an adult to do, but it’s a choice the person gets to make for themselves. I am grateful my parents stopped the doctors from cutting.
It's painful regardless, the baby just can't complain about it. I'm not circumcised nor are my kids, with the first kid, the nurse let out an unintentional "good" after we said no to it.
Frankly, it's a bloody weird thing to do unless medically required. Leave him be.
Don't mutilate your kid. If there's a medical reason go ahead, otherwise leave it be.
Your son can't put it back if you remove it, but he can remove it if you leave it. Let it be his choice over his body.
Parents who perform unnecessary surgery on their children because society says they should are bad parents.
That might seem harsh, but it's true. You have a responsibility to make the right choices for your kids, and "society" doesn't get a vote.
I faced the same question, but found it to be a no-brainer. You don't perform unnecessary surgery on a baby.
The reason it is performed in the US is to stop boys from masturbating.
Ignore any excuses for doing it that people have come up with since. That's the only reason the US started doing it, and every other reason is just people trying to rationalize why they keep doing it.
The "reasons" people come up with to explain it now are based on extremely unlikely events. All the serious issues that come up are avoided with proper hygiene. Unless they still have a stupid masturbation hangup, it all comes down to this:
Parents feel icky about having to explain to their child how to wash their penis.
If you can't handle that, I'll tell you right now that you're going to have a hell of a lot tougher conversations.
What I told them was to imagine they were wearing a hoodie in the shower. You'd need to pull the hood back before shampooing your hair. Same thing goes for the little head, but don't use shampoo, that might burn.
Not circumcising my kids only caused me one problem:
My mom reacted like it was a direct personal attack on her, because I was circumcised. She saw it as me saying she was wrong. I found it difficult to convince her that I was not judging her. She didn't have the same information available to her as I did. When I was born, she didn't really have a choice.
That's me you're talking about. And yes. I agree 100%.
Letting them do an elective surgery on my healthy child was a parenting failure I deeply regret.
Eh?? If your shampoo burns you shouldn't be using it anywhere on your body.
And actually, I find non-soap-based products (e.g. shampoo) better for my bellend.
How does it stop boys from masturbating?
John Harvey Kellogg - Plain Facts for Old and Young
It was never actually effective, but by making it much less pleasurable. Turns out boys will do it anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This study doing an analysis of the research doesn't seem to agree:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7691872/
A lot of comments in this thread agree with you though. Where did you get your information to be so confident?
I mean, there are people in this thread that were circumcised as a teen/adult and commenting on what that was like for them. That is, anecdotally, where my data comes from e:(as well as my own friends and acquaintances, and other threads like this online).
The study you linked seems to be categorising quality of data, with a focus on sexual function first and foremost. Sexual function has nothing to do with pleasure or sensation, it is merely about ability to get an erection, penetrate something and ejaculate. Neither myself nor others in this thread are commenting on that. Where it talks about pleasure and sensation, the cited studies seem to only ask a binary question of whether there was pleasure or not. Not if it had decreased, subjectively rating it, or trying to objectively rate it.
It also erroneously talks about the fact that sexual pleasure is attributed to the erogenous zones on the glans and underside of the shaft, not the foreskin. That seems to be hilariously slanted towards being pro-circumcision. I've never heard anyone, anywhere say that the foreskin is an erogenous zone, only that it protects them from desensitisation.
Can we also talk about the fact they went to the rural parts of an African nation to do a randomly controlled trial where they circumcised over 2000 people, some as young as 15, "in the name of science". What the fluff is up with presumably western, presumably white people doing "science" on black people?? Even if they paid them (which is its own methodological issue) this is just really really messed up.
I'm going back to bed and I wouldn't be super if it's biased, it's just what I found when I wondered how you would actually measure this. A minor point though: they didn't go to Uganda, they reviewed a number of studies and in one of them some other people went to Uganda. (Or I'm failing to read.) Agreed that sounds like a messed up way to do a randomised study. The papers subtitle is "results from a randomized controlled trial of male circumcision for human immunodeficiency virus prevention" and that sounds more reasonable but I'm not going to dig any deeper tonight
I read that, and even talked about that in my comment. Please don't be condescending. I clearly meant the original study's* authors.
There's a vaccine though, which we are already now giving to young boys as well.
Sorry, it both wasn't clear what you meant, and I thought read in a way other people might completely discount that study. I appreciate my reply pointing out I had asked someone else their experience was probably a bit condescending, but the comment here was just there for clarification since it didn't read to me as being clear
It doesn't
It doesn't.
No sane beings cut off parts of their children as part of a retarded ancient ritual. Let alone part of the genitals; unfathomable perversion.
Pardon my French, this angers me.
Edit: Oh, and pro tip: Mutilating children leads to antisocial behavior.
In the US its not even an ancient ritual. One cereal makers anti-masturbation crusade started it in the 19th century
Fucking Kellogg's stole my foreskin!
Cool band name, though
That's ancient by their standards.
Please don't use that word, it's a slur.
which word, french?
Sometimes, slurring is appropriate.
No, not really.
Let us agree to disagree.
Alright bigot.
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A few counterpoints to the circumcision pros that you mentioned:
Circumcision rates are dropping across America. In some areas they ared dropping faster than others, but from what I recall the get are basically dropping everywhere to some degree. So I expect bullying about it is on the decline as it becomes less common.
Also, the simple fact is that bullies will find any reason to be shitheads. So if it's not circumcision it'll be something else.
Any straight women who are grossed out by a natural penis are idiots, and your kid will be dodging an asshole bullet if they do reject him over that.
Better to let him decide if he wants to get it cut later or leave it uncut than to take away his free agency.
Don't mutilate your child. Just remember to teach them to retract the foreskin and wash under it, by the time they are 10, it should be unfused from the glans.
Also for people without foreskin who are having a chld, do not retract it back on your child. It's not ready to pull back for many many years and you will most likely rip their skin.
I dont remember having to do anything special. Its just separated, there is plenty of it lol.
It's mainly about teaching hygiene.
The idea of wanting a circumcision has never once occurred to me. The notion of having my most sensitive area permanently exposed... eugh.
Here's the trick though, circumcision kills off thousands of nerve endings until it's nowhere near as sensitive 👉😎👉
No I find it revolting. Might as well ask me to cut the tip of my nose off.
I'm a chick, responding because you mentioned some women are grossed out by intact dicks.
Every penis is different in its own weird way so whether there's foreskin or not is just an extra thing. Size/shape/foreskin/existence doesn't affect how I think about the person.
Any person who thinks men ought to be mutilated to be attractive is lacking in empathy and judgment, and my entire friend group thinks the same thing.
The idea that you would cut off a part of your kids genitalia just so they could 'fit in' culturally is kinda blown away by the fact that it is now less common to be circumcised than being natural, even in the USA. By the time your kid is old enough to care, it will be a complete non-issue, and they can always get one as an adult if they want. Don't take that agency away.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/pediatrics/generalpediatrics/117464
The idea that it has a population-level health benefit is completely debunked. It is medically advisable in only a tiny fraction of kids (sub 1%). The fact that %60 of the US population is circumcised is all thanks to religious hooey from puritans who don't want children to masturbate, and think chopping a sensitive part of their genitals off to make it harder to enjoy is the best way to go - thanks to education and a wider exposure to the rest of the world via the Internet, US parents are finally realising this which is why it's in decline.
Definitely not but I'm not American.
Please do not mutilate your child because of tradition.
Genital mutilation is inexcusable disgusting tradition - don't do it.
Do you approve of genetic mutilation* for cultural reasons?
I think your answer lies there.
*)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21672947/
Now do a breakdown between at birth by medical professionals and rabbis or similar unqualified individuals who then suck the blood out of the baby's penis with their mouth
Dude what
What's what Jews do, the Rabbi performs the circumcision and then sucks the baby's bleeding penis
That can't be real
Definitely is. Some practice it and some don't, but it's traditionally part of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_milah
Bro that shit should be illegal what in the fuck
And I think circumcision should be illegal, but customs are very hard to change.
Why?
Complications, as tracked by the study, are obviously going to be far higher when performed by unqualified religious leaders that literally suck on the wound
it is his body, nobody else’s i dont understand this. the human penis is not a flawed organ needing intervention and aesthetic is not a good enough reason. barring medical, what the fuck lol.
I'd never sacrifice 50% of the feelings for the sake of a shriveled tip to please some invisible sky daddy.
Male genital mutilation should be as outlawed as female.
And... Kids bullying others over their foreskin? I don't think I ever saw any classmate's dick in my life. Why is that even a thing?
IMO circumcision is genital mutilation and that's always wrong in general. In the very few cases where it actually has health benefits you can still do it later in life, it's not a big problem. You're not missing out on anything if you don't do it.
"Hey internet I was thinking of cutting some of my babies dick off"
"Bro wtf what"
"Just a lil bit, just the tip!"
"Aw okay that's fine mate!"
Did you think this would be how it goes?
Don't.... cut parts of your baby's dick off dude, it's a weird thing to do.
I'm uncircumcised and I'm thankful every fucking day. Don't do it to them. If you're being bullied for your penis, there's other problems at hand there. And women who won't sleep with you over this aren't worth sleeping with anyway.
Tbh I love my foreakin, it's fun to play with and overall just enhances the penis having experience. 10/10 would recommend
Ooo something for me!
I am FORMERLY uncircumcised. I have a skin condition which led to phymosis a few years back forcing me to have a medical circumcision this year.
Uncut is superior in every way. Sex is better, it's more comfortable when exercising, it's generally less of a nuisance. And in Europe, I never had an ick reaction.
If I didn't medically need it I wouldn't have done it. That said, it's better than phymosis, I do last longer in bed, and my partner says it's actually a really nice oral experience now.
Remember: most countries don't have a preference for circumcision, and a lot of people outside of America that are circumcised have it done due to medical issues, not moral or religious reasons.
No, why would I wish to be mutilated?
Oh god no.
Grew up in the US. Heard one girl mention it was gross (she didn’t see mine) and one see it for the first time as was more curious. Never bullied but I also wasn’t swinging my dick out in the open.
Live in Europe now where the script would very much be flipped.
So thankful my parents didn’t mutilate me.
I have no idea where this American obsession with male circumcision comes from. It is an unnecessary medical procedure that you only share with Jews, but they at least can cite their ancient religion as an excuse.
Anyone else in the world just shake their heads about this.
Don’t do it. It’s his body. Apart from medical issues it should be his choice. And bullying always finds a way and is hard to influence from the victim‘s part. You can only help in raising your child to be a confident person that is sure of your love and knows they can talk to you about anything.
Fuck. No.
I am grateful every single goddamn day that my mum took a stand against my dad's very Catholic parents when it came to circumcising me. She wasn't able to with my older brother, in part because of how wrecked she was from a 48hr+ labour. With him it was also "oh he'll feel weird if he doesn't match his father though" which,,, just,,, ooft 🙄
I feel like this would happen as well to folks that are circumcised often enough of like "there was something wrong with me so they had to cut a bit off" I dunno... I think that most of this idea of grossness comes from this weird idea that it's inherently unclean. But it takes literally five seconds to pull back the foreskin and rinse it in the shower.
Also, not for nothing but if you have an intersex child with genital variation, doctor's use the excuse of doing a circumcision to perform even worse forms of genital mutilation, like peenectomy and then vulvoplasty (the surgeries trans women get). They'll hand your child back to you and go "oops, we mucked up, they're actually a girl" without ever getting your consent. About 1.7% of babies are born with visible intersex traits by the way (the rate of intersex people is much higher but those conditions are usually found in puberty or later).
It's kinda hard to bully someone for matching the vast majority. Circ rates would have to come way down before it would be submerging to be bullied over.
Of course, there are regional differences. I just looked and in the Midwest the circ rate is about 75% which is way lower than I'd have expected based on personal observation. (OTOH , I'm older and the majority of penises I've seen were 30-40 years ago) YMMV.
National rates have declined to just under 50% according to John Hopkins, which suggests many fewer circs are performed outside of the Midwest.
At any rate, I think bullying folks for being cut is a ways off yet.
Sorry, I quoted the whole paragraph but I was speaking to the "something's wrong with him" part.
Did they know that outside of America, Catholics do not expect that, I thought it was a Jewish thing.
Well, in Australia they do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Catholics not as keen on Paul as protestants.
No, don't ever mutilate your kid for bullshit reasons. Cutting his penis just so that he can fit it in with others is nonsense.
Don't do it.
I was cut for medical reasons but i wish the had tried an incision instead. My parents however were the bunch that thought the foreskin is worthless stuff because god commanded the jews to cut it (and god is always right). I remember the pain to this day. You will also steal pleasure from you son.
Nope, not even once. I find the idea of circumcision really bizarre.
Nope, never.
I live in the UK, I’m in my 40’s and I’ve only ever known a single person who needed to be circumcised for medical reasons.
Beyond medical reasons, which are honestly pretty rare in reality, there’s no need.
I’ve literally never heard an uncircumcised person express a desire to be circumcised.
I worked in pediatric urology so I'll give you their perspective first. The urologist's assistant said the thing to do is assess honestly whether you'll keep up with your child's hygiene, if you are comfortable ensuring they'll clean their foreskin as they grow up. My friend says she really had to stand over her son and tell him to wash his penis again and again. Boys are not the best at hygiene sometimes, so as long as you are comfortable ensuring he does so, don't circumcise. If you don't think you'll be comfortable with that, be realistic, because boys get what's called phimosis where the foreskin becomes stuck and doesn't retract, and while there's a cream called betnovate you can apply to relieve this, if it becomes chronic and there's scarring, having circumcision as an older child is much more of an ordeal, as they have to go under general anesthesia. These are the pros and cons.
I think circumcision is a bad idea and don't recommend it myself because I've heard a baby crying during one personally and that's horrifying, but this is what the medical reality of it is, so be honest with yourself about what you can do as a parent. It's honestly a terrible thing for them to go through without anesthesia as well. Bullying be damned, anyone who is offended by a normal penis isn't worth your time anyway.
Not for a fucking second. Ever.
wtf why do you mutilate your child?
We didn't circumcise our son. It's a barbaric practice and you shouldn't do it. There's absolutely no good reason to mutilate a child's genitals, and it's abhorrent that it's so commonly practiced.
Have I ever wished someone had genitally mutilated me as a baby?
This is your opportunity to discontinue a barbaric practice that was done to you for stupid reasons.
The only thing that is making this a difficult ethical choice for you is the culture you were brought up in. If you were born in most other places, this issue wouldn’t even provoke serious thought in your brain, just astonishment, laughter, and ridicule for anyone who practiced it.
This isn’t a hard choice. Do the right thing.
I’m American and circumcised. I do not wish to be different than I am because I don’t know anything else. That said, it is no longer the cultural default choice here at all. I’m upset that you feel it is. Were I to have a male child I would 110% NOT mutilate that child. There is no reason or excuse to justify doing this. Don’t mutilate your kid. Anyone who teases or bullies other people is the one with the problem, and you should absolutely not cut off part of your son’s body on the off-chance that might alleviate one vector of inbound bullying. As others have said, bullies will find a way. Please do not do this.
You could also consider chin implants to give your son a strong chin. A strong chin is definitely going to have a positive impact in his life later on, and recovery will be faster and less painful as a child. Another thing to consider would be earlobe separation if his earlobes are joined. This will make sure he looks more normal and won't be made fun of in school. If you are asian you should definitely also consider eyelid surgery since it can reduce problems with vision and lead to healthier eyes
Or you could avoid cosmetic procedures on non-consenting children entirely.
So I'm no longer a penis haver since I got it removed entirely, but before that I was uncut. In my case I never had anything negative happen health or social. It helped with logistics for sex while going from just starting to everything isn't quite fully lubey yet, plus it was another bit of sensitive skin to toy around with.
As far as the removal part I am trans and had mtf surgery. Foreskin is analogous to clitoral hood skin. It gave my surgeon more to work with both aesthetically and for adding areas of increased sensitivity.
But really the argument should start and end with "don't make medically unessecary changes to your kid's body until they're old enough to consent"
Whoa, that is an aspect I never thought of. More bits to work with. Plus I'd imagine the glans is easier to repurpose when it's been kept nice and protected.
Congratulations on your clit btw.
I'm Chinese-American, male, was born in mainland China, immigrated to the US. Family is not really religious, I didn't get mutilated, and no I do not want to get mutilated.
I was actually shocked when I learn that Americans, particularly Christians, do this shit. WTF. I also learned that some tribes around the world also do (or used to do) this. Felt sick just hearing that word.
(Edit: To be clear, I mean no offense to my fellow Americans, I like this country for the most part, but forcing religion on kids and government corruption are probably two of the biggest thing I hate)
Learning about "bloodletting", and "witchhunt" made me hate previous eras.
And when I learned about this thing called "lobotomy", I just... idk kinda have a "new fear unlocked" moment for me...
...humans are so fucked up.
Please don't mutilate your children. We're supposed be advanced civillizations (I'm talking about humanity as a whole), how are being still doing outdated "bloodletting"-type of stuff?
(Only exception would be if its medically necessary, and a doctor, without being influenced by religion, recommended it)
The only condition that I can think of that might require something close would be phimosis, essentially where the opening of the foreskin is too tight to pee properly and causes pain & burning. That can solved by cutting a small bit of skin without a full-on circumcision e: in most cases.
No. Why the hell would I want the end of my dick chopped off??
American and uncircumcised here. Definitely don't do it. The only reason it should ever be done is a case of phimosis so bad it can't be fixed any other way.
I did as a kid because I was different from everyone else.
As an adult I'm so incredibly thankful that I didn't suffer genital mutilation because of social pressure from people I couldn't care less about.
I'm very happy being natural.
I'm an intact American man.I have never wished I was circumcised.
I haven't ever been bullied for it. If I was, I think I'd first accusing the bully of being homosexual for taking an interest as loud as I could. Start calling him Gaylord Cockstarer in mixed company. Find out what hobbies his dad has, start doing that hobby, befriend his dad, tell him this story, see if you can get his dad to start calling him Gaylord Cockstarer.
Women who are grossed out...I've had a few hesitate to give me oral, but were willing to try. One, in her own words, wanted to wait until next time so she could "look up how to handle one of these." And she did, too. To the women who would be disgusted at my intact anatomy, I have one question: What part of your body am I allowed to demand you slice off? Kind of a monstrous thing to think about someone, isn't it? Why haven't you cut that part of your body off? If that's what she thinks of men, she can never deserve any dick.
Male circumcision is genital mutilation, and I think it's pretty gross that it's still so common. I'm grateful that I'm American and my parents didn't mutilate my dick when I was a baby.
I'm glad you're asking and taking people's opinions with validity because it's important that you don't do that to your baby.
Handjobs and foreplay stuff are more fun uncircumsized, like giving a dick a hoodie and pretending its a jedi.
I'll never be able to look at Yoda the same way.
He goes by Scrota now
American Penis owner here, uncircumcised. So fun and no issues.
I've never wished that I was circumcised. And anyone who thinks my dick is gross doesn't sound like they'd be fun to fuck, anyway.
I sure as hell didn't get my son circumcised. Don't do it, let your son make that choice himself when he's old enough.
I was circumcised at 40 for medical reasons, due to phimosis. That was a blessing after several years of issues with having normal intercourse and having little operations done that were ultimately ineffective.
Anyway, it's definitely different and I am much less sensitive. I definitely prefer being uncircumcised, just not, you know, with phimosis.
Nope. Heavens no. It’s a feel-good part of the body, hell no.
The only requirement is to keep it clean. Parents shouldn’t shy away from educating your boys about this and have some open conversations about it.
Might as well ask if you wouldn’t mind having one fingertip shaved off at birth, the difference being you’d know what you were missing because you have the other fingers to compare it to.
Wtf why. I only learnt americans are circumcized from online forums, keep your retarded habits to yourself guys
Unfortunately, this isn't only Americans...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevalence_of_circumcision
TLDR: Religious extremism sucks
If I'm reading that correctly, it would be prevalence of people that are circumcised, not the current prevalence of it being done, right?
Edit: Also, all the yellow parts could literally have a zero or close to zero rate. Or just a minority Jewish population.
Please don't use that word, it's a slur.
"American"?
😂😂
No, the r-word.
Its a Jewish, Islamic and American (due to puritanism) practice mostly. The rest of the world doesn't really do it in large numbers.
I am circumcised since infancy. I’m not bothered by it, but given the choice at this point in life I would not have had it done. In the past I’m not entirely sure. I did not have any boys, but I would not have had them circumcised if I had
What. The. Fuck.
As a circumcised male, please don't. Like countless others have said, it's a bizarre cultural practice that leads to a desensitized tip, and most of the world thinks it's fucked up. There's literally no benefits.
Nope. Don’t mutilate your child.
I'm 42 and uncircumcised, born and raised in America. My entire life the total sum of what it's amounted to from locker rooms to relationships is pretty close to "huh, ok then". I can't promise it will be the same for your son but it's been a total non-issue in my life.
My partner just asked me this the other day. Answer is nope, never had a reason to want it.
Never had a partner with a problem with it either. If someone was ever grossed out by something that's just the way I was born then they can learn to deal with it, or fuck off.
No.
Forskin ins there for a reason. It's protecting the head of the penis. Cutting it off is just a poor way of not having to deal with the problems if you don't wash it properly.
Ok, so I'm a 38 year old uncircumcised Canadian male and on this issue, I have two opinions:
1.) Circumcision for moral, traditional, covenantial, or social cohesion reasons is child genital mutilation. Full stop, no second guesses...
2.) I have a larger-ish penis with a proportionally smaller frenulum and tighter foreskin. I am not bragging about size, I wish I was smaller because, when I get very aroused it can be quite painful. The foreskin frenulum pulls right against the tip of my penis and bends it down. If I were to excuse the frenulum and loosen my foreskin, I can imagine having sex when I am very erect would feel much better. This would be great because right now it feels like I'm trying to fuck with reigns on.
I have been exploring the idea of the loosening surgery, but obviously this is my choice, for aesthetic and pain management reasons.
The child has no choice, it's abuse. I have a choice, it's a medical procedure.
Hell no
I'm circumcised and my three children are, too. However, I made that decision when I was still working my way out of a conservative upbringing. If I had to do it again, I wouldn't and have left my children uncut.
There is no point to it. I just did it because it is considered strange not to in religious circles and I hadn't broke away from that stupid yet.
If your kids want to be, let them make that decision themselves when they're older. You can't undo it.
I'm American and not circumcised, my wife and I chose not to circumcise our son because there really isn't anything to gain from it. In my mind it's no different than the removal of the hood from around a womans clitoris, it would cause a lot of pain and discomfort until the area is more "desensitized" by constant overstimulation. As someone that has only ever had a penis, and never a circumcised one, it's all just speculation on my part.
Hell no I like the extra skin wouldnt it hurt if my dick was out in the open the whole time wtf, also jerking of with skin is like 100 times better lol
If you want your child to resent you for mutilating them with unnecessary surgery without their consent, go for it. If you want to be a good parent, don’t.
As an American adult that is uncut and was also semi bullied back in the day, don't do it. Let your son decide when it's his decision to make. Now that I'm in my late twenties I'm glad that I never had it done people generally stop caring as we get older. Eventually the benefits start to outweigh the downsides and most of the downsides are just social and not physical. If anything the physical benefits are amazing. Makes it all extremely more sensitive and makes naughty times way more fun. Something like 3/4 of the nerve endings die in the tip on circumcised men. And when it comes to partners it all comes down to preference, which is always a factor regardless of what your junk looks like. My last girlfriend thought it was fun and really enjoyed it, but I've also met someone that didn't like it because he had a bad experience once.
There are two major reasons why people find it gross. One can be fixed and the other is just unnecessary stigma. The most important advice I'd give is about hygiene. Too many men neglect it and have to learn the hard way that you actually have to clean underneath, that's where most people get turned off by it. The other reason people are grossed out by it is because they've never seen it before because it's so uncommon. I say be the change you wanna see in the world. Circumcision is slowly falling out of fashion because we are all slowly starting to realise it's pretty dumb and kind of brutal to do to a kid.
And if it comes to it, it's a lot easier to remove one than get one back. Let them make the choice.
My 2¢: don't
I was circumcised at birth by my parents, and it's a source of frustration I have with them. Since it's irreversible, there's nothing I can do about it though.
Personally, I think circumcised penises look unnatural and weird.
Yeah, no. That was probably due to someone's more complicated circumstances.
Did it myself as a young-ish adult due to worsening phymosis and recovery was normal, couple of weeks or a month like any stitched wound's healing would do. Only weird and uncomfortable thing was the initial sensitivity of the tip, which completely waned off for the recovery period. I read plenty on other cases as I considered the circumcision myself, and nobody mentioned a painful recovery, recoveries sounded about same as mine.
Circumsizing your children is not really a thing in my country, except for muslims, but even if I had a boy I'd guess personally I'd leave it to them to decide if they need it when becoming an adult.
I'm not a parent but I think in general unnecessary cosmetic surgery should be left up to the individual especially when it is related to genitals. I understand wanting to help them conform to norms to try to give them an easier life and there are some surgeries I think make sense like a cleft palate or an infant with burns, but if it's not necessary you're taking away their bodily autonomy and I think that's a very important line morally. You need to determine if you think it's necessary or unnecessary, and if the discomfort of a possible later in life surgery pushed it past the moral boundary or not.
Don't do it man. I live in the US (born and raised) and I'm uncircumcised and I've never in my life been challenged about it. There is zero reason to do it to fit in culturally. And fuck any culture that encourages you to mutilate the genitals of your child.
Don't do it.
Even if it's for your religion, let your kids decide whether they want to be circumcised at the age of 18.
Can't say I have ever wished for that. Confused on why I would
I'll trade fore some skin
I'm genuinely upset about not getting a say in the matter.
When a person gets circumcised they lose a ton of sensitivity and feeling from their dick, and it permanently degrades the quality of any sexual gratification they will have in their life.
And that's not even touching on how fucked up it is to mutilate a child's genitals for a religon that they can't even consent to.
Nope
M atheist (not cut) but if you need Christian reason then
Galatians 5:2
Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.
https://biblehub.com/galatians/5-2.htm
America has a 90 percent circumcision rate.
Canada has a 40 percent rate.
Most of the rest of the world doesn't do that.
I'm not letting any stranger cut a piece of my boys parts off.
As someone who's circumcised, I think it's a practice we should leave behind. Buddy getting bullied was more about victimization than circumcision. Likewise any future partner that has that as a deal breaker either way is a bullet dodged.
That being said, I think some people overplay the victim card on this one. I think some people use it as a scapegoat to avoid acknowledging other issues like porn addiction, intimacy issues, and sexual incompatibility within relationships.
Than there's the people who try to conflate a hospital performed medical procedure with Female Genital Mutilation from like rural Africa or India.
AFAIC if your biggest problem in life is that you're circumcised... shut the fuck up? Or complain about something more important than your own dick.
TLDR: Don't do it.
Never ever regretted being uncircumcised. In fact, I regularly feel especially grateful to my parents for not getting me circumcised. If it were socially acceptable, I'd talk to more people about it and why it's great not being circumsized. I would get me parents a "Thanks for not mutilating me as a baby" thank you cake.
No, never. Circumcision is weird, disturbing, and imo abusive since there’s no consent to having part of your body removed.
Sounds weird AF, I mean I'm not American, I've heard about circumcision fad in US but i just didn't knew the scale. Internet says the circumcision rates are falling, so maybe it won't have such effect on your son as it had on your friend. My guess is it's easier to keep the head clean without smegma collecting under the.. hood, hence women's preference of foreskinless penises. On the other hand for us uncircumcised people it feels uncomfortable as hell to have glans uncovered, just for it to rub on the underwear etc. my guess it makes the head less sensitive in the long run. Anyway I hope the doctor won't make a mistake during the procedure
Fuck no.
GenX USAmerican here. I felt 'different' as a kid when we had to shower for gym class. Besides that, it's been fine. Teach your son proper hygiene and it will be okay. I have never had a negative sexual encounter about it, or been otherwise teased by women. Circumcision is so much less common here than it used to be.
I'm circ, my son is too. It was a mistake, please don't repeat my mistake.
Not for one second. Circumcision is barbaric. It can go wrong and often does. US is one of only a few western countries where it is common, and the only reason for that is cultural as you've said (sometimes religion/medical). It serves no other purpose.
As a gay who has experience with both, let me tell you, uncircumcised dicks are also more fun. Some cut dicks also look like they've been mutilated by a drunken psychopath with a vegetable peeler.
Genital mutilation is a caveman practice...
Nope, never. Never had a problem with women/bedroom.
If society jumped off a bridge, would you also?
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No
Just don't circumcize your kid. I am and didn't do it for my kid, and even if he has issues, it's his choice to make the body mod if it's wanted. Kids will always have some kind of issue or get made fun of for something, no reason to snip the tip of his penis off unless it's needed imo.
No. I like it this way just fine.
No
Not in the slightest
British penis owner here. Cirumcision is rare in this country and as far as I know the rest of the world. I imagine most British people would find it strange, the inverse of your friend's experience. My instinct is to say don't perform an unnecessary medical procedure on your child and let them decide as an adult. You can't put a foreskin back on. But I sympathise with the cultural aspect of it you're having to contend with in the USA.
Side note: I did consider getting circumcised at one point. I was in a BDSM relationship. My penis was consensually "hers" and she preferred it after being with a Jewish guy. It was a rule that I couldn't get it out without retracting my foreskin. If it had become a long term relationship I might have done it.
The rates are falling in America so you son probably won't be the only kid with a foreskin. That said do remember there is a small chance of death from blood loss. No really that happens a few times a year.
No why would I want to mutilate my dick
Uncircumcised and have my tonsils. My mother was adamant about having every piece of her children coming home with her. I was on the swim team in high school, and no one teased me about my dick. Plenty of other things, but not that.
Uncircumcised and never really thought about getting it done.
Also I will say that I met this girl about 30 years ago that did this thing with her tongue that made me reaaallllly happy to have my foreskin. I've since shown this 'action' to every partner I've had 😁.
Absolutely barbaric practice. Obviously not in favour of genital mutilation.
You'd be removing a lot of sexual function for masturbation (now you need lube) and a lot of nerve endings that give pleasure are now chopped off. Dried out numb penis head/gland. Less sliding when having penetrative sex so it's also worse for women.
For what? In honor of weirdo American puritan? Kellogg brother who hated masturbation? No,it's bullying. What a rancid country the USA is.
Fuck no.
I got circumcised in my twenties due to some scarring after I got a fungus or something from my partner. My feedback: do not recommend, absolutely no benefit. On the other hand besides recovery and initial sensitivity, there's no major drawbacks (besides masturbation now requiring lubricant).
I should mention that I'm from EU and there's no social factor here.
I'm circumcised but against it on principle,and had roughly the same concerns as you in thinking about future sons. This thread is doing a lot to assuage my concerns.
I have never met anyone circumcised before, nor even heard of one outside of celebrities and internet randoms like this.
So the thing about some being grossed out is purely cultural and not a universal thing. I find it odd that some would be grossed out about a thing like that, but if you choose to remain within that culture, it’s probably sensible to account for that. But I would bet it’s really not a big deal for anyone despite what they say. There are more important things going on whenever people end up in a situation where that comes up. I wouldn’t worry about that, but the again I don’t know your culture, maybe it is a big deal.
For me personally, I really like my “hood” so to say. Keeps the senses more heightened there when the delicate part does not chafe around and touch everything all the time. On top of that, I find much more hygienic to have a natural “shield” that is easy to clean and keep regulated in terms of pH and all. No doubt it would be more problematic in hot climates where there might be more sweating and stuff, that would require more intense and frequent upkeep, but here in the global North, I think it would be disadvantageous not to have the natural luxury.
Not only would I not want a circumsization, I find it actively harmful to myself and my personal health. I also find the practice extremely off-putting and horrifying, but then again all cultures come with their own “barbaric” traditions so to say, so I’m not about to yuck anyone’s yum. You do you, I say, live your best life.
It does come with some required upkeep and work, but so do our teeth. If you maintain them, they’re going to be healthy and beneficial overall. No need to cut them off in my opinion, just because it’s extra work. But that’s not the justification for the cut, so I also don’t mean to sound patronizing here. Just my view on it.
If you aren't Jewish, what reason do you have to do it to an infant that can't possibly wait until they're old enough to decide for themselves?
Would you be struggling with the same decision to surgically alter an infant's genitals if we were talking about your daughter instead of your son?
Never.
No. Very pleased to have all my bits.
No, of course not. That’s weird.
Good on you for asking instead of blindly following this "tradition", I hope you heed what most people are saying here. Progress happens one personal decision at a time, you can be a part of that
The comments here are full of dicks.
No, and it's literally not once ever been mentioned between my wife and I in regards to our son. It's an absolute non-issue and it's never been something that's been mentioned with any previous partners.
I'm circumcised. My young adult sons are. Looking back, I would have made a different choice for them. I don't have a super strong reason for feeling that way except that I don't have a good reason to have done it other than "tradition". But that's a dumb reason to do things.
While it is still more common than not in the US, the rates have been falling for the last 10-15 years.
Absolutely fucking not, and it seems to me you already know the correct answer
I'm not sure about all hospitals, but speaking from experience, at the one we went to, you had to coordinate the circumcision yourself with like a religious figure who will do it. They even gave us a pamphlet about the health risks and to not allow some religious traditions around the procedure that have caused infections in the babies and sometimes killed them.
I wouldn't be surprised if there are stats showing of dwindling rates in the recent generations. It could be that by going through with it, your son is actually in the minority of his peers, and would receive the treatment you wanted to avoid. Also, kids will make fun about anything, you're not going to be able to prevent that.
And to state the obvious, there's no undoing the procedure. If you're on the fence, let your son decide when he's ready, rather than making a life altering decision for him when you're unsure.
So I've since gotten rid of the whole dick, but no never. I got picked on for it a bit as a teenager but teenagers will pick on any differences. Nobody I've dated has minded foreskin (though they've all been the sort of women who date trans women) and in fact one bi ex of mine confided that she finds uncircumcised penises very attractive before she knew about me being uncut. Another ex of mine wasn't into it per se, but she was an anti circumcision activist.
A big thing is when I was young and getting the talks with my mom she explained why she made the choice. Knowing that it was a decision made out of respect for my future autonomy, fear of complications, and respect for my right to have all my nerves, it made it so any teasing was irrelevant and just made me feel bad for the people teasing me.
Oh I should mention I had a friend in college who was undergoing some procedures or something in an attempt to regrow her foreskin because of how unhappy she was with having been circumcised, so take that possibility as well
The head of my knob is way too soft and pretty to ever want it's little party hat to be taken off.
It's so soft and sensitive down there, I don't want it chafing on my grunderpants all day and ruining it's good feels.
Love my penis, love my foreskin. All good.
Don't. I wasn't until my early twenties, due to failing all other options to treat the worst case of phimosis my urologist had ever seen. It was fine at first, but you lose sensitivity over time. Now I'm struggling to get that back and it's really difficult.
No.
My buddy had to get circumcised as an adult. Some weird infection. He's not like a gross unhygienic dude, it just kinda happened. I guess it was super painful and he was laid out for like a week. I know that's not the best argument for pro circumcision, but ya, there are reasons. I personally am uncut, and have zero intention of getting cut, nor would I cut any child of mine.
Infections like thrush are possible when you're uncircumcised. It actually has its own little biome going, just like a vagina, and can have that disrupted all the same. For comparison, vaccinations can also cause issues but for both it's exceedingly rare enough to get such serious complications that major intervention, like your buddy's circumcision, are needed.
What we need to do is destigmatise seeing a doctor when things down there aren't 100%, especially so for men. Because I'm willing to bet things would have been fine for your buddy with just a cream if he'd gotten help sooner, though obviously I don't know his circumstances and don't want to blame it on him when it's society with the weird hang-ups.
Edit: It might have also been caused because your buddy tried too hard to keep it clean. Just like with a vagina, you should only use water and no soap, as you can mess up the biome and make infections more likely.
The solution to "the big C" is to just give the HPV vaccine to everyone, not just girls. Which is what we're already doing in Australia.
The "cheese" is a myth that just doesn't happen though. Except maybe if you're one of the grossest humans alive I guess? I've not showered for weeks at a time when I'm depressed and haven't ever had that pawblem.
Not a myth, I've seen it.
And she was not one of the grossest humans alive, but just had some hangups about "down there" that kept her from washing her vulva well.
Never, I'm very happy to be in cut. Just wash myself in the shower, and it's more sensation and fun.
Never
I also think circumcision is wrong. My friend who is a nurse advocates for it because she has uncircumcised dementia patients who don't adequately clean their smegma but like, come on, you're the nurse and it's your job to take care of them
I'm circumcised and it has caused me so much mental anguish and pain. I've done the work of nurturing myself back to a mentally healthy place about it, but I beg you not to put another person in that position if you can avoid it.
You can slowly pull the foreskin back at a young age as a daily routine.
Don't. It's a form of sexual assault that's somehow legal.
I have never ever wished that. But I'm also not American or Jewish so I wasn't bullied for being intact.
Never! Just wash your penises with soap, it's not that hard!
I've had women act kind of funny about it. Never had any complaints afterwards. I have sensitivity issues when i go long stretches of no sex (2+ weeks of I'm traveling) but if i use a cheap sleeve style sex toy in the shower just for a few minutes a day to keep the skin pliable and stretched.
I've never regretted not having it.
I think its a lot less common in the US these days. My 6yo isn't, and to my knowledge none of the little kids in the family are either. My friend has 3 little boys all uncut
No, I have never wished that. But then again no one I know is circumcised
I live in a flyover state, and was never teased in the locker room for being uncircumcised. No one even brought it up. Had they, I'm sure my response would've been "why you looking at my dick, bro? You hungry?".
Cleaning is as easy as any other body part.
I've never had a negative interaction about it with any girl. I don't think most girls know what they're looking at with a lot of detail.
My son isn't either, and I just showed him how to bathe properly early on (keeping in mind kids often forget it don't understand and need little of reinforcement for anything). "If you don't scrub a body part with soap, it isn't getting cleaned". That's true for armpits, feet, whatever. Never a problem.
It's amazing that most of the world is uncircumcised, and doesn't have a problem. It's only the United States where we have to chop off boys dicks?
Some girls wont want to fuck him, but they'e the type of girls he shouldn't be fucking for the most part, btw its straight circumcised male writers that make girls be disgusted by it on tv and in movies. Some weird shit forsure, like girls asking for pictures but now in a hot way more in a curiosity way that is uncomfortable. Bitch you got google. He does have to clean it and shower daily, should be doing that anyways.
Idk, I think are densensitized and will never know it, id rather bust fast than not be sensitive down there, shit feels good when it needs to, like I can feel stuff done to the skin more than I feel my head, the idea of my head just dryly rubbing against my boxers getting even more densistized is wild to me. The skin is protection, and the skin itself has a lot of feeling. Imo ppl act like it doesnt reduce pleasure but I think its female genital mutilation adjacent, you just don't know what you lost. Adult cirmcusion is wild too, because you get the worst of both worlds, looks bad anyways
I definitely would leave it up to them. It is a very long recovery to regrow that skin if they have regrets or issues later in life.
Adding my No to the pile, but also, heads up - we're in the Midwest, kept out sons intact, but we had to say no something like six times for each of them. If you decide you don't want them cut (which is my advice), make sure you're both holding firm on that!
They say they circumsize because they dont want to have to clean it or it smells. a little funk is okay. i hate the catholic pressure to snip. i wish they didnt obsess over keeping it cute and neat i wish i had the choice.
No
To all those ignoring your question and trying to bully you. Fuck off. I commend you for trying to get more information on a divisive topic. Congrats on your son!
When my son was born, I casually asked his mother (my now-ex-wife) whether he should be circumcised because it was a question on a form. I hadn't thought about till then, we hadn't discussed it. She was vehemently against it, and I didn't care one way or the other, so that was the end of that.
There won't be any bullying about this, because most boys don't see each other naked anymore, in P.E. for instance, at least not in the U.S., and most boys are not circumcised now.
Of course, circumcision started with and is tied to religious BS, but in the sixties, when I was born, it was so common even my atheist parents had it done to their two sons. I supposed it was recommended for "health reasons", I dunno. Also, my dad was, but I don't know why--I don't know much about that side of my family.
It's just how I've always been, I've never resented them for having it done. I've never wished I wasn't or wondered what I missed, or had any desire to try to recreate it. I'm sure my uncircumcised son feels the same way, we haven't discussed it.
There will always be one kid who will try and find something to bully someone else about.
Not American, not circumcised and I never want to be.
Don’t do it
I never ever thought I'd want to be circumsized. I really enjoyed the sensitivity and all that, blowjobs were awesome etc.
I even remember some PoS noctor pediatrician insisting on it to my parents even as I was like 5-7, which they rightfully called him out on as motivated by his muslim religion/culture rather than sound real medical reasoning.
Even as a kid, it was nice to see my folks stand up to me, and it still matters to my nearly 30 year old ass today when it comes to enjoyment of sex, a whole-ass sex change later.
My also-trans gf said she wished she wasn't circumsized as well.
my uncle did this to my cousin. He quote " I did it so he doesnt hurt self" to which my father agreed. I dont quite understand wtf they are doing to themselves that circumcision was the solution. He Also said the doctor tried to convince him otherwise.
Also a dick is dick. Once the skin pulls back during sex I doubt anyone really notices.
No, not once have I ever even considered it.
No and We would never even see if anyone was circumcised or not in school
Nope. It feels real good, and other guys go crazy for it (usually)
I'm circumcised, but I can give the answer to if I wish I were uncircumcised. I would only want to choose circumcision if I looked into it and determined it to be good.
There's someone whose name I forgot who called this out as being barbarism at Harvard or Columbia before getting kicked out for basically giving the truth on circumcision.
When I was younger, sure.
Now, and for most of my life, no. I don't fucking care and neither has anyone I've been with (except one, but she sucked as a person).
Nowadays, I'd say of the close friends I have it's a 50/50 split. It really isn't as common as I thought.
This will be of no help to you OP, but: damn, this all seems so bizarre read from France.
How likely is it that your kid’s going to be bullied, though? I looked at some state-by-state data (warning: it’s not that recent, and I haven’t checked its accuracy), and it seems to vary a lot depending on where you live. Also, even in West Virginia, where circumcision seems to be the most common, almost one male in ten seems to be left intact. Obviously, I don’t know what I’m talking about, but even if your child ends up being in the minority, he might not seem that strange to his classmates and friends.
If you're going off shameless, that wass 100% written by a straight circumcised from birth male, whole arc was odd af, kinda funny tho
Ultimately it's your kid so I would not presume to tell you what to do with it. I will tell you that its popularity in America stemmed from a time period where they knew that removing that little bit of foreskin desensitized your penis which they believe made you less likely to play with yourself.
That being said I am also circumcised and I think I would prefer that but......I don't know of anything else. For all I really know my QoL might have been better had I not been.
I don't know if it stoped anyone, but having the skin certainly makes it easier. When I found out English speakers (probably mostly Americans) needed lube/soap to masturbate, I was confused.
Also you can feel whan it's pulled back in your pants and I wouldn't want to have that feeling every day.
Ordinary movement isn't an issue. When flaccid, the corona is generally still covered and underwear moves with it so there isn't really friction. The only time I've ever had an issue is when bicycling. For some reason the mechanics can lead to side to side friction right on the tip and it's pretty uncomfortable when that happens.
So that's why Americans love cars so much
That and internal combustion engines are amazing in terms of energy to torque power.
needed to tow those massive US johnsons is what you meant?
You know it.
I agreed to do it for my first son.
the screaming broke me. I can still hear his cries.
my second son, they didn't even ask and just did it. I was furious.
don't do it.
I mean you say sarcasm but it would be hilarious to spread this around, just need a couple of fake scientific papers and your set
Yes, I have a sometimes uncomfortably tight foreskin and even asked my doctor about it. In the end, I decided it wasn't bad enough to warrant the surgery.
Considering that so many people are circumsized, and I have yet to meet anyone who says they are terribly unhappy about it, I'll start off by saying that I really don't think it matters either way.
However, I am uncircumsized, and American. I literally don't think about it at all. I was bullied a lot in school - but never about my foreskin. I've slept with a lot of women - none of them have ever cared (the foreskin stretches away when you get hard, you can't even see it).
Focus on giving your kid material resources and emotional support, and on setting a good example of being a happy, functional human. This just doesn't matter
No
Only wonder what the difference would be like.
But it's on the same level as wondering what the other side is like.
Nope.
no
To preface this: The science seems a bit inconclusive on the exact effects on sexual function or sensitivity. This review paper from 2023 in the Journal "Sexual Medicine Review" suggests that: "Despite the conflicting data reported in articles, the weight of the scientific evidence suggests there is not sufficient data to establish a direct association between male circumcision and sexual dysfunction."
Unfortunately most papers are paywalled and we'd have to weed through the source papers to judge methodical weaknesses as well, since a lot of it is self-reporting. (I remember reading but can't find a paper right now, where they tested a more objective pressure threshold that could be felt in circumcised and uncircumcised males and found some difference. But I can't remember how significant the difference was.)
It's a value judgement. But if you ask me personally, I would not try to avoid potential (not ensured) bullying by doing a lasting medical procedure. Especially considering that like with every such procedure there is a risk of complications (3.84% overall). Much rather I'd try to be there for him, if there is bullying and see to it, that he doesn't feel shame around it.
That sounds like complications. Generally there's more complications when it's for therapeutic reasons and with higher age.
And last but not least, we have a view of a clinician in this topic who highlights the necessity of teaching him good hygiene to avoid phimosis (or general build up of smegma and its risks) and the role you think you can and want to play in his upbringing. There's a lot of people around the world who are uncircumcised and I don't think there is any prevalent medical downside from it. And I would absolutely add as a precaution, that such a procedure, if you chose to do it, should absolutely be made in an appropriate medical facility by qualified doctors.
Penis owners is a good band name
Spurious question guy. Have you ever wished the grass was greener on the other side? Its why the chicken crossed the road ya know.
bullying someone cause they're intact and youre not is a trauma response. kidding but also not
I wanted to be circumcised so bad one day I said "fuck it" and bent nearly in half and bit my foreskin off. One bite. Ate it too.
Problem is, you get a taste for it. When I hear a man is uncircumcised I seduce him, get him in the bedroom and bite his off too. I'm wanted if ninety countries and am the only person permanently banned from Burning Man.
Circumcise your child or he may become like me too. Or worse, in 18 years he may become my victim...
Circ'd here but I've struggled with this decision myself. Lucked out in the matter and had girls. Society has changed. Circ rates have recently fallen just below 50% national average (much higher in the Midwest).
If your only reason for considering it is to match his peers, you can have no concerns either way.
That said, I do think people make a much bigger deal about this decision than it really is 99% of the time. You're going to make thousands of decisions for your kids and most are more impactful than whether they have a penis hat or not. Saw someone here saying circing flat out makes you a bad parent. I don't expect they are a parent because that's not the kind of decision that keeps me up at night wondering if I fucked up, you know?
Go with your gut and it'll be fine.
No, but look up proper maintenance if you decide not to. It requires additional cleaning considerations
This one of those topics where you will only get one side because the options are very very strong and anyone voice that deviates from a "no" will be silenced and they know it so they just won't participate here.
Unfortunately this is one of those topics that never gets a rational discussion on social media, just a bunch of gut reactions. You’ll need to find your answer elsewhere.
Even to suggest a little contemplation here will get downvoted. Don’t bother. Might as well post “what is capitalism.”
You think men- the demographic that are already so insecure about the size of their dick they will jump through hoops to defend or lie about their size- would give you an honest answer on this?
I was circumcised and don't remember it in the slightest. The pain I went through as an infant has had no negative effects on my life. I have also regrown some of my foreskin slightly. Most partners don't even know I have a foreskin.
I definitely wouldn't mind getting that excess removed except for the pain and recovery as an adult and I'm guessing most men who have a foreskin would hesitate for the same reasons. It's not exactly as elective a cosmetic surgery as an adult as people would make it seem.
But this question is like going into a group of religious folk and asking what god they support- theirs or another- No shit it's going to be their own. Men are obsessed with their own dick.
It's a tough one because it's way better to have it done as a child than an adult, way less pain and women prefer it
I'm super happy mine was done as a baby but I've not seen any like, mass movement of guys getting it done wishing they had it done when they were kid, would need a proper survey for that, if you could go back in time and get it done as a baby would you?
Women prefer it if that’s all they know/if their uncircumcised partners aren’t very hygienic. I’m an American woman and grew up thinking uncircumcised penises were gross, but they feel better inside me and it’s way more fun to give a clean, uncircumcised penis a blowjob. It’s more obvious and unpleasant when an uncircumcised penis is dirty though.
I was recently a bridesmaid for one of my friends from high school, and we talked about circumcision- all the friends I had growing up who were also grossed out by uncut penises who have actually had sex with a person with one agreed that they prefer them. It’s not something I would hold against a partner or anything (and my husband had phimosis, so he got a partial circumcision in his teens), but penises are naturally well formed for the purpose of enjoyable sex.
true but it’s pretty clear cut 😁 women overall prefer cut vs non cut
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6523040/
I got curious, so I looked into this a little. I cross-referenced this for circumcision rates, and Wikipedia for HIV rates.
They say that, but every one of those studies falls into one of three categories: the women polled come from a place where more than half the population is circumcised; they come from a place with lower than 50% circumcision rates and prefer uncircumcised penises; or they come from a place with lower than 50% circumcision rates and elevated HIV risk (which might affect women’s preferences).
Not all women prefer it! I think that may be a kind of childish thing women say because they don't know any better! Any time I've ever heard a woman say that and asked, they'd never been with an uncircumcised man, so they didn't really know and were talking out of their ass.
Having been with both types of penis: I don't care at all, and if I have a son he will not be circumcised.
I’ve never even considered it, nor has it ever bothered me or my partners in any way, because it’s the norm here.
However, if I lived in the US, I’d probably do it for the reasons you mentioned - it’s the cultural norm there, and not doing it might lead to bullying or awkward reactions. The main issue, of course, is making that choice for him rather than letting him decide later. But yeah, if you’re going to do it, better sooner than later.
In northern Africa it's the cultural norm in many places to circumcise little girls. Removing the clitoral hood is the most common procedure, and is the exact same biological part as the foreskin on men, and fulfills the exact same purpose. Removing it decensitives the pleasure centre and is a way to minimize the person enjoying masturbation.
Do you still think agree with following the cultural norm when I - factually correct - gender swapped the issue?
I don’t think you’re doing anyone a service by equating male circumcision with female genital mutilation. I think my response was nuanced enough, and I don’t have anything more to add.
What's tragic is that you really seem to believe there's any difference between these two circumstances.
You live in a "my culture is better than yours" bubble.
In my culture we don't cut the genitals of neither boys or girls when they're born. You care to explain how this isn't objectively better than the alternatives?
I don't live in the US. That is not my culture. You said that I live in a "my culture is better than yours" bubble. Please explain how my culture where we don't cut the genitals of children is not objectively better than the alternatives. I don't understand this insane purity test of yours.
The explanation lies in the quote of what you said, together with your reaction that the exact same procedure on a little girl is much worse than on a little boy. That reaction comes from your culture.
There aren't no benefits.
Done properly, by a medical professional at birth, there are very minimal risks.
Some benefits include:
When you're an adult recovery is much harder, and sensitivity is generally affected for a few years.
The benefits you claim are not supported by science (linked elsewhere in this thread)
The reduced risk in STIs has been disproven, to my knowledge.
Several of these have not panned out in subsequent studies and also don't adequately justify a procedure with a nonzero complication rate since they are reversible with antibiotics and preventable with good hygiene. The last point is also entirely cultural. It's hard to imagine a non culturally Jewish, Islamic or American women preferring what is outside of the norm of what theyre used to seeing, as there is no functional difference.
It is objectively better looking. I think it's good for purely aesthetic reasons. I would just hope the doctor is someone who cares a lot about his work. I imagine most are but if I thought the doctor was sketchy I might take him somewhere else. Not circumcising your kid is kind of mean. You also need a doctor who is careful to not do it badly and mess up the sexual satisfaction part.