YSK the Tesseract dev made a blacklist of Lemmy users that get filtered from their Frontend
Are you on the list? If so, congrats!
More info: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/45728788
Syndicated from the fediverse. Read and engage on the original instance.
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Are you on the list? Do you want a badge?
No, I'm serious.
Print one!
Buy one!
Or just steal this .gif!
LOL
Nouuu, i dont post so i didnt get banned. I need a similar badge but for getting chased at a pride protest
That is hilarious
making a list of undesirables to disenfranchise is a rather alarmingly faschy thing to do >.>; just sayin'...
i've been mulling it over and it creeps me out more and more. all too easily, a misplaced sense of self-importance in a principal administrative figure can spoil like milk forgotten in a hot car. I've seen this sort of thing happen PERSONALLY.
Someone I had known became the big fish in their small pond. They began systematically ejecting and excommunicating anyone who didn't agree with them. Eventually the only people left in their circle were exclusively yes-men who did not DARE to challenge or question anything--lest they were to dispose of said yes-men too. Yes-men incentivized to say 'yes' to, and thereby condone, and then encourage, increasingly outrageous and deranged impulses.
The first domino has fallen over and struck the second, which is now tilting past any point of equilibrium. For a while longer, everything will be fine; the people who ingratiate themselves will be selectively immune from the same criticisms that get others blanket-'disappeared'... so hey, one might enjoy using that frontend for now...
...but I implore mindfulness and wariness. Very seldom do I see someone cross the first line without crossing the rest of them eventually. It's not impossible, but it's far from common. Anyone still using that frontend, if they start seeing "a certain kind of person" being bolstered exceptionally at the expense of everyone else, it's time to bail.
While it's not my place to dictate what the tesseract dev does, I do recall reading that they specifically were feeling dissatisfied with the work, and disappointed by the way their users were acting, and had been considering abandoning the project. While I can't speak for this developer, obviously, I can't help but imagine myself in their position... and on that basis I for one believe I would have sooner relinquished the project and walked away entirely rather than see myself turn it into a tool of targeted harassment and marginalization With A Cheerful Coat Of Paint.
.......
it's just setting off my alarm bells real bad. This looks too much like other abusive shit i've been through over the decades.
but eh. maybe i'm just paranoid... grain of salt, mileage may vary, et cetera.
I guess i'm not interesting enough
I just want Lemmy to have a better, more wholesome, and welcoming experience for new users, as such I've decided to block the things I think we can all agree are bad:
You forgot "perchance"! The worst crime of Lemmy.......
Whoa hang on now... all Jerry's? I dunno if I can get behind that.
Your ice cream is now just "Ben's" branded
Sorry, I don't make the rules, just the way it is.
Honestly, just most, but who's got the time?
HERE HERE!
Add putting ketchup on hotdogs
Feeling offended now, going back through my comment history and thinking "Why did that not get me on there?" Am I too tame?
It's probably because I spend 60% of my time on here overthinking and eventually deleting my posts before posting them...
And 30% writing the posts that never get posted.
Yeah you'd be overthinking it since the dev wasn't doing much themselves. The blacklist was not put together coherently and appears to be mostly built by emotion, especially in light of the dev's "I'm not sorry at all" response.
The dev is a part of a corporate structure they formed where they're named CFO. They are, in their mind, Fediverse C-suite, and they act accordingly.
Going to need more info about this dev. Where did you find it?
https://fedihosting.foundation/about-us/
Patrick is the CFO listed here: https://fedihosting.foundation/fhf-team/
Edit: https://sh.itjust.works/post/63914623
Their (locked for comments) public response.
Locked the post? What a little bitch! Couldn't take criticism, Admiral Patrick, you little snowflake?
omfg lol
Hey! I'm in that list and I have no clue what any of this is about 🙂
What the hell is Tesseract?
It’s really just a custom ui/frontend that admins can run for their lemmy/(piefed too?) instances.
Well, I quickly read through that list and I'll say this: considering the insane amount of stuff that gets silently filtered out, whoever views Lemmy through that thing must think it's pretty quiet 🙂
And that’s a large part of the issue. The frontend doesn’t actually disclose this blocklist at all. In fact, it actively takes steps to obfuscate things and make it appear as if the blocklist doesn’t exist at all.
For example, attempting to view a blocked instance shows a generic network error, rather than a “this instance is being blocked by your frontend” error. And blocked users aren’t simply flagged and/or collapsed. They’re entirely hidden, as if they don’t exist at all. So someone using this as their primary frontend wouldn’t even know that they’re missing entire posts and/or comment chains, because anything from the blocked users is simply gone.
Additionally, the blocklist is downloaded (in plaintext, over http) when the frontend is booted, so it’s not a file that gets updated with the git version updates. Meaning the dev can silently update it even if users haven’t pulled new versions. Simply rebooting your frontend would be enough to pull an updated blocklist. This gives the dev an extreme amount of censorship power, because they can effectively change users’ configs without any action on the users’ part.
It was only originally discovered because the admin for db0 used the frontend. And notably, db0 is on the block list. They were previously using an old version of the frontend that didn’t include the hidden blocklist yet. They updated their Lemmy stack a little while ago, and suddenly their entire frontend was broken (the entire feed was completely empty) and showing a generic version incompatibility error.
After lots of troubleshooting, the db0 admin eventually discovered that the frontend was downloading a hidden blocklist and automatically blocking the instance that it was running on. Because when they updated their stack, the new version of Tesseract included the secret blocklist. So it downloaded the blocklist when it booted up, found that db0 was on the list, and silently hid every single post because they were all from a blocked instance. This resulted in a completely empty feed.
Oh that's mental. I didn't realize it was that bad. Something new to worry about scanning for when using open source!
Considering the amount of effort put into the blocklist by the Tesseract dev to keep it hidden, you would think they would have included an exception if it was running on a blocked instance to help keep it hidden.
Don’t give them ideas, it’ll be harder to find the next one.
I guess the lesson here is “compile from the source repo and code review before you install a new frontend”
Yup, and this is just speculation, but I guess it’s supposed to be an anti-spam thing, but it targets a lot of people/communities/instances that post actually good content
It’s not anti spam at this point. No one obfuscates something that much for antispam.
It's also a weird place for anti-spam, to have it be client side. That should be done on the server, rather than the various clients handling it.
True! Idk, that part is just speculation, hence why I said I guess, not I know. Either way, they did a shitty job that should be shunned.
Oh my God, I swear some people will just never get it.
No dude, this isn't just someone trying to block spam, this is ideologically targeted to silently remove specific viewpoints from people who use the stylesheet without disclosing that they're doing that.
This obviously has nothing to do with spam. Keep giving people like this the benefit of the doubt, and see where it leads us.
Edit: I just saw your pfp... Were you aware that this blocked the entirety of Blahaj? The de facto trans instance?
Try justifying that as anti-spam.
Oh, whoa, I did not see that. From what I had seen I could have sworn that it had general political blocking. That’s my bad!
Truth nuke
I'm on the list and I've never even posted anything. I do comment a decent amount, though, but I wouldn't consider any of it to be spam.
Did you ever talk shit about billionaires or crypto? Make any anti-AI posts?
Yeah, I'm pretty unabashedly anti-capitalist, so I'm not surprised I ruffled some feathers. I was just pointing out that the idea that this was just a spam filter taken too far doesn't really hold up.
I comment exclusively, and I'm on it.
I don’t think it’s anti-spam. It looks pretty much like a personal blocklist, it blocks a lot of users that have political views that the tess dev doesn’t agree with. It blocks political keywords often used by certain ideologies that I guess the dev doesn’t agree with, for example, no ones blocking “neoliberal” as a keyword because of spam.
This looks entirely like a personal blocklist which is completely fine, but secretly adding it to the frontend is v dubious…
It’s a shame I think the dev is a good person from the convos I’ve had with them, but this crosses a bit of a line…
Pretty fucking funny imo.
This has to be just for the creators use right? Like accidentally committed, or a project where they had no intention of others actually using it? Any other explanation is insane.
No, it's very much deliberate. You can read about the rationale straight from the developer's mouth (well, keyboard) right here:
https://sh.itjust.works/post/63914623
I don't understand any of this but I would like to know how to find out if I am on the list.
Doesn't look like you are: https://copyparty.adrian.place/u/?doc=policy.json
You're not on it. But come, let us both step up our game and get on this list together
Wow, this dev must be an absolute chud, in which case I'm honored to have triggered them so. Tongue punch my fartbox, loser.
Tongue-punch my fartbox is my new favorite saying
I suppose this means the guy in question prefers velociraptors over people, otherwise I can't explain why am I on the list.
Finally, the days of anti-ceretopsian slander are at an end! Sign me up!
I post leftist, feminist, gay shit all the time and didn't get blocked. They just shadowbanned my news coms. This is outrageous.
Maybe the snowflake blocked themselves from the spaces where you're active.
That just means I need to post more gay, leftist, feminist stuff all over the fediverse.
Couldn't hurt haha
There's a user regex section for people across multiple instances, so:
I guess that means all my accounts are covered 😄, but why? Who the fuck am I to this fool? What an absolute clown.
“Kate” is also on the list 🫣 am i the only kate on lemmy? i don’t know of any others but i guess we’re all in this together if so
They really don't want people to hear about the best text editor
Maybe he just doesn't like cheeseburgers
Has nos chezburgers
I'm on the list too, and that's what I'm saying. I'm just a dude.
How do you search? I wanna see if I made the list too!
I'll wear it as a badge of honor
I haven't even used this site in a year. Dudes butthurt at lefties and it's so cute
Made it!
Same! I’m honored!
Made it in too
I’m still pissed that I didn’t! Like holy fuck just look at my post history I’m toxic as fuck!
I was a little nervous because I haven't commented that much lately. There must be a processing delay 😄
How the hell am I on this list? I barely post it comment on anything.
I'm new and I'm on it IDK. Maybe just participating in certain posts is enough?
Didn't make it but 2 other wizards did.
YSK I have a personal black list of users that I never will see again. If you can still see this message you’re fine.
I can't see the message. :(
What are we talking about?
damn i didnt make it to this list either...
You did now. Bye bye.
yay!
Yay, I'm fine
Ohhhh wrong answer! BLOCKED 😜
Yay, im blocked
I like how this dev used regex to match any similar names, not just the specific name they're trying to block. People out there catching strays, getting blocked when they've done nothing but have a similar name to someome this dev doesn't like.
Did they block me? Someone else, but I'm similar?
I've never used another number with this name, just the full 'Darkasassin07'
Screw anyone called 'Darkasassin' I guess 🤷🏻
Made it!
Finally, some recognition.
I'm on the list, this account is only 3 months old, no posts, 41 comments.
Who and how the fuck did I piss off, lol
I'm so envious.
Same same. I'm not on the list either. But I do a lot of lurking, maybe that's why.
Well if the tesseract chud is reading this, they're a piece of shit, I'm a socialist, etc etc.
Any idea what the regexis mean? I landed there which is funny because that means my .world, dbzer0, ml, mbin, piefed, and hexbear accounts would all likely get pegged under the same name, lol.
https://www.rexegg.com/regex-quickstart.php#ref
My understanding of regex is used to capture certain words used together, so it might catch life and choice, or some other combination deemed bad
Oh so that's cool
"Fuck" is a keyword ban lol. Well, maybe the '^' does something in regex.
^means start of string, so its anything that starts with FuckLmao, the delicate masses must be kept from seeing anyone who starts a sentence with a swearsie
It's a badge of honour. Looks like the cunt hates anything that isn't a basement dweller in their mother's house or their own mother's cunt.
Also someone who blocks literally anything that discusses rights for people and hides behind 'toxicity' have so much to hide. Maybe someone should check their hard drive.
Found myself. What's this all about then?
OOOOHHHHH, so this is about Leftist cred. I see. ;) I guess this proves I'm not a misogynist, like the Admins on 196 seem to think.
WOOHOO!
Made it! Awesome. I'm on a crazy man's radar.
I'll keep you on my radar babe.
I'm on the VIP list too 😆
Sorry I didn't make the list, I'll try harder.
The band is great though, they did a fundraiser EP in 2022 to support Ukraine.
Awe, I didn't make the list 😢
Im gonna be honest, I have no idea what the fuck is going on but I guess Im on there.
Shit, I gotta dial up the woke more.
Human rights for everyone, I guess? Will that do it?
I think it's more like saying "it is good to defend ourselves against people who seek to kill us for our innate characteristics" is crossing the line. Or that colonialism should not be allowed
Initially I defended the dev and now I'm sad the leopard didn't eat my face. :'(
Can we go with "denylist" instead?
What, you got a problem with black lists now? You racist scumbag...
/s 🫶
Blocklist also works. And it's a single letter difference
Fair. I was using the term in the codebase.
I prefer the term africanmericanlist
Hell yeah I'm on there.
Lol, I've made it!
I'm not sure if they don't like me because I'm trans, or if they just hate wood scientists.
The Admiral posted this to his com: https://lemmy.today/post/57096701
Pinned and locked it, too. Apparently nothing was blocked, you only need to enable "toxic mode" to see the banned content.
Another one of those "I know better than you it's for your own good" types.
He's right though, no one should use tesseract. Or anything else he has made or will make. Seems too short sighted to see how he has betrayed the trust of his users.
That manifesto of his has supervillain energy.
That's the job of the fucking instance admins, you dimwitted moron.
What a self-aggrandizing piece of shit. He should have left when he said he was going to a year ago.
Never trust anyone who screams about how hard they’re leaving and immediately come back for more. It’s narcissist behavior, just like believing he should get to silently block leftist and trans instances without explanation. And I don’t consider that little footnote in his self centered rant about how right he is to be anything resembling a justification.
Self-aggrandising was exactly the term I was thinking of. Absolute clown energy.
What a self-important moron. "I must be the arbiter of what is good and proper and what goes too far! someone has to!" yeah they call it curating your own fucking block list you fuckwit, doesn't mean you should be silently "curating" anyone else's. "But think of the poor normies who are lazy!" then they can go back to reddit. Lemmy will grow, and has been growing, just fine without your "help". "If you don't like it, don't use it!" Aha, finally, something I think the entire fediverse (save for his own little fiefdom) will be likely to agree on.
That entire post is indicative of someone too stupid to read the room and too stubborn to leave it.
I also enjoy that he basically says he's working on blocking all the dregs of society who cannot exist anywhere else online, as if to imply bans from platforms like reddit are typically just, and he also conveniently ignores that he likely was banned from Reddit in the first place, unless he left because he didn't like the same shitty culture that leads to banning people with non-fascist viewpoints.
He's obsessed with this idea of bringing "normal" people here and shielding them from anyone with an opinion about anything that fucking matters. Fuck that. I don't want the same people who have no issues with ice or trump in this space, nor do I want their supporters here. Let those assholes stay on reddit. He's acting like he's politically neutral in this way but from what I can tell that's definitely not the case just due to the vast majority of users here being on the left, if nothing else.
He's literally sought to neuter what is actually good about the fediverse. By silencing the people who are not okay with the world as it is...
And you know he gets a smug look on his face every time he adds a "toxic" item to his little blocklist. What a douchebag.
Not only that but he goes out of his way to imply you'll be dragged into the troll pits if you disable the filter. Considering who's on that block list, his skin must be tissue-thin.
Exactly what I meant by "too stubborn to leave it". He clearly cannot have his fee-fees hurt or his positions challenged in any way at any time; and I would gently suggest that such a person should not be participating in social media in general, let alone a contentious corner of it like Lemmy. The fact he persists in trying to beat it into something palatable for the most bland of palates, while thoroughly Sisyphean, is genuinely funny -- it's that he feels the need to sneakily impose this on others, though, that takes it from funny and dumb to infuriating, fractally stupid, and malicious behavior.
When non-toxic becomes toxic.
I don't object to the ideaThese include very vanilla users, left, right, center. What is this person's criteria for "toxic?" but yumpin yimminy the wording...It's bullshit, I know. The block list even included my tiny 115 subscriber community for independent canadian news. He must have had to dig to find it and then find something wrong with it.
Hah. Not with that list they've curated. Not in the slightest.
Damn I’m on every blacklist around here ahaha I’m honoured 🎖️
I did it! 🎉
Idk wtf tesseract is... is this like Lemmy's version of being banned from r/conservative?
Click the more info link for more info
Frontend with a pissy admin. Got it. I don't really understand why so many people are blacklisted by them, which is what kinda reminded my of the whole r/conservative thing - you'd get banned for posting (even in other subs) in a way that revealed you weren't in fact a neonazi. So, getting banned from r/conservative kinda became a rite of passage on a new account lol.
Only 2 slrpnk.net users, and I'm not part of them 🥲
I am not on the list! I'm actually rather annoyed.
Whose girlcock do I gotta suck to get put on the cool list?
Lots of folks spec'd into gockmancy in ![email protected] try there
My excuse is that I try to avoid spaces and discussions that would get you there. Stick to shitposting, thats the key to a happy life.
This is the way.
i feel left out :/
Dammit, I'm not on the list. I have to step up my game!
Eyy, I made the list!
I'm not cool enough to be on the list? 🥺👉👈
'🥺👉👈' is on the list, by the way.
I did it! I made the list!
I'M BLOCKTIKUS!
What’s with crypto-authoritarian “libertarians” and their obsession with science fictiony sounding names?
Do I even interact with this front end as a lemmy.ca user using old.reddit sytle viewer?
I'm on the list and I haven't noticed anything.
PeteLink is on there, and he's very nontoxic, unless posting about genocide is toxic.
No idea why I'm on there, but I am.
I feel like we should form a veterans league. Call it Adrian's Heroes or something.
Wheeeeeeee, I'm in the user regex!
Why regex? I never used that name anywhere, could have added my user directly and saved some compute?
Yeah, they used a pattern to allow my username to be optionally followed by numbers and yet I've never had an account like that. Which gives me a weird ai hallucination vibe actually.
Mine's on there as a regex, but encapsulated with string beginning and ending delimiters for some unfathomable reason. So I have presumably defeated this Super Sophisticated Blocking Technology entirely unintentionally by appending a penguin and a knife to my display name. See, I knew I did that for a legitimate reason.
delighted to see that a username I used to go by on a couple instances has a regex entry, somewhat disappointed this username isn't in there. Clearly I need to step up my game on this account.
YAY! I made the list!
How the fuck am I not on the list.
I'm surprised I made the list, I'm not terribly prolific and mostly post animal memes. I guess I should feel seen!
Maybe he's just offended by your username, there's no such thing as too many pancakes
There's no such thing as toomanypancakes for users of that frontend.
Line 1449...lol
I make leftist anticapitalist
postscomments all the time. How TF am I not on the list?I'm on it! 🙌
What’s a TesseracT
It's one of these things /j
Idk if you clocked my phone auto corrected to that spelling, I’ve seen them a couple times.
what did I do?
You made a rounding error.
Completely unforgivable
Awww dang, I'm not on there. I guess I should be a bit more venomous in my comments.
Just say things like ACAB and trans.
Call attention to genocide/ethnic cleansing.
I'm pretty sure that's how I got fingered... err, put on the list.
Yep, I'm on there.
I am but that list is so long it’d be more interesting to see who is not on it.
Hey @[email protected] I'm on the blacklist. Can you put me on the blacklist a second time? Thx
But why’s it matter? What’s so special about tesseract that getting blocked matters?
It's the current Lemmy drama and meta. Pay attention buddy.
lol i’m on the list, too. what a douche move.
I can’t believe I’m not on there. I feel like I got left off the list of an awards show.
I'm honoured!
Disappointed I didn't make the list. How many cocktails do I need to Molotov to get the recognition I deserve?
The heck did I make the list for? lol
How do I search to see if I'm on the list?
Open the link thats in the post you've commented on, 'Find in page', type your name.
ME ME ME ME ME ME ME
RICKYSWEEP2026
I'm not on the list, I feel deeply offended, I need to work more actively to improve this site.
Why would anyone want to use software under those conditions?You have to be a real loser to not be able to interact with all those people and try to prevent others from doing so as well.
lmaoo. kinda sad i'm missing there
I dun good
I'm there.
Just like my school repoets: I must work harder [to make the list]
Didn't make it 😭
Unless there is a .ru regex somewhere I couldnt find
Hmm this version has 8 more people on it than the one I saw yesterday. Maybe it's being actively maintained, despite the attention.
It would be hilarious if the dev cant even see these posts because they are all made by blocked users and such. Think they use their own frontend that way?
Don’t you do something similar with piefed? You don’t block them but you tag them for all users as “problematic” etc, iirc?
PieFed does all kinds of stuff but I talk about it in public.
e.g. https://join.piefed.social/2024/06/22/piefed-features-for-growing-healthy-communities/
Despite this I'm sure someone will arrive shortly to describe all the times I didn't document or communicate clearly enough.
Exactly. I don't like what rimu is doing, but at least we agree on what he's doing.
Tesseract is an attempt to create a universe of alternative facts, and that sucks.
Edit: Actually, hate is the wrong word. Replaced with don't like.
Documenting your censorship, bias, and authoritarianism doesn’t really make it any better.
Basically you try to preemptively punish people who don’t go along with the echo chamber, putting a target on their back telling people to just block and ban them.
That’s incredibly unfair and childish. It encourages dog-piling and unfair bans.
That's quite a leap from banning Nazi symbolism in usernames to an authoritarian regime.
That’s not at all what Piefed does. The piefed dev is basically enforcing circle jerks and encouraging banning and silencing wrong-think.
An AI first IDE? This shit nah really thinks he owns the code enough to decide who can and can’t use it? It would’ve been entirely vibe coded.
Not a single one of my accounts on that list. Probably because I block all news and politics and thus don't engage in any of those threads.