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Can you touch type?

I've recently started trying to improve my typing speed, which has probably been held back by my somewhat unconventional typing style. Formal touch typing was never a part of my education, and while years of computer use eventually led to me being able to type without looking, I'm probably not as efficient as I could be.

Can you touch type - and with proper form? QWERTY, DVORAK or other layout?

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I was never able to touch type up through middle of high school despite typing papers and taking formal typing courses. Once I got into online PC gaming and also programming I got good at touch typing very fast. Is typing a skill you use daily? Natural practice beats forced if you already have the fundamentals down. QWERTY for me.

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Same. I tried really hard to learn it but gave up in frustration. 5ish years with plenty of computer use later I suddenly found myself typing without looking.

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ani.social

Yeah, ever since we learned it in middle school. QWERTZ

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myrmidexreply
belgae.social

QWERTZ

How to tell us you're German without telling us you're German 😄

As a Belgian, we have AZERTY as standard, which is so much worse. I wish we could've followed the German instead of the French influence keyboard-wise.

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Sephtisreply
lemmy.world

I too live in Belgium and azerty is absolutely the worst, i hace it sometimes at uni. Luckily i grew up using qwertz, later switching to qwerty.

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myrmidexreply
belgae.social

Argh sometimes even, that's annoying! Luckily the changes are quite limited for non-symbol keys. Still I usually just add the qwerty keyboard layout if not present. This approach costs me the least time.

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Qwerty and qwertz are pretty similar, recently even changed to qwerty full time only using qwertz (blind) for special german characters. Before uni we had mandatory school laptops in azerty, and indeed the best method than was to jusr change it in windows and blind type.

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zlatiahreply
lemmy.world

Oh my god the AZERTY... I naively tried it out for like a week or two and quickly gave up on the idea. The numbers and symbols being the reverse of QWERTY was just way too much of a headache, especially for programming. Unfortunately workplace requires all work computers to have AZERTY so

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myrmidexreply
belgae.social

especially for programming Indeed! I grew up with azerty and still got tired quickly of pressing shift for most of the most basic symbols. Before learning to code, I don't really remember having issues with azerty.

workplace requires all work computers to have AZERTY

dang that's tough. Usually they ask me what I'm used to, not sure if I could accept a job offer if it came with azerty 😆

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Azerty isn't even a good layout for French, that's how bad is it it is. There's a new and supposedly improved version of it, but nobody makes keyboards for it

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I was under the impression QWERTZ was a German thing, seems it covers a much bigger area than that! Apologies!

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aussie.zone

Been touch typing Dvorak for about 25 years, qwerty for about 10 years before that. My hands used to feel tired at the end of the day, when I broke my wrist the occupational nurse suggested Dvorak, so when it healed I taught myself to type Dvorak. Probably a few weeks to learn, six months to get speed. (The advantage of a cushy government job). I can type all day now without problems. If you’re going to spend any significant time at a keyboard, I personally think it’s worth investing the time to learn to type properly, whatever layout you choose to use.

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Now I’m trying to figure out what you name spells with the same keys on qwerty vs dvorak

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Skankyreply
lemmy.world

Would you recommend switching to Dvorak for someone who already touch types very fast (80-90 wpm)?

Can you switch between the two easily?

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my speed never recovered from switching, but for long sessions, it's more comfortable.

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thebrainbin.org

I can't NOT touch type. I need to see what I'm typing to know if I'm typing without mistakes. When I look at the keyboard, I make so many mistakes.

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Ironically, with touch typing I know when I make mistakes even if I'm looking elsewhere. It's just obvious when a finger does a wrong thing.

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Yep.
Went to an all-boys Catholic High School and there were no technical programs (shop, auto, woodworking) bc they couldn't afford the programs, nor the space. Barely had a gym.
Anyhoo, 'options' were typing, bookkeeping, and Latin.
Took typing for 2 years, buddy and I would race-type song lyrics out of our heads (lyrics often weren't included in the liner notes).

Elton John - Razor Face - GO!

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lemmy.world

I learned to touch-type QWERTY in late 90s chat rooms. By 2006, I was bragging about my 100 WPM speed in my online dating profile. I met one girl who challenged me to a typing contest. She won, then I won, and then we called it a draw. We've been married for 13 years and had our third child last month.

When I was learning to touch type, I found it helpful to practice in my head even when I was away from the keyboard. Like whatever I'm thinking about, I'm picturing a keyboard in my head and where each letter of each word is. It slows my thoughts down a little, but that's not always a bad thing.

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lemmy.world

Yup, I can type about 90-100 wpm on a QWERTY keyboard if it's normal conversational English. Probably half that if it's something that contains a lot of long technical words. The thing that got me over the hump with getting good at typing was a game called QWERTY Warriors. It was a Flash-based web game that I was playing like 20 years ago, so I don't know if it's around anymore, but it was a tower defense game where you had to defeat enemies by typing the word underneath them. It was a pretty painless way to practice touch-typing.

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The people responsible for archiving the gold mine that is old flash games are really doing gods work out there!

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To be fair, programming is basically the art of making the computer do as much as possible with as little typing as possible.

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I can touch type most keys, though probably not with proper form. I have to look at some of the less common keys to find them with my fingers.

My schools did have formal typing classes but I wasn't exactly a star student. I think my typing speed at it's fastest was around 60 wpm, though I more commonly float around 40 wpm

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Yes, QWERTY. My dad made my brother and I use Mavis Beacon as kids (SHOUT OUT TO MAVIS BEACON!!!) and I had keyboarding class in middle school. WPM is 70 to 80 depending on what I'm typing.

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fedia.io

I learned to touch type on QWERTY in middle school. I do it mostly conventionally except for some reason I never really used the right shift key. That locked in, amd I still don't. I just spread my fingers wide to capitalize letters on the left side.

For a data entry job I was taught to 10-key as well. It doesn't take long to learn, but it can save a ton of time.

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stinermanreply
feddit.online

I learned to touch type on QWERTY in middle school. I do it mostly conventionally except for some reason I never really used the right shift key.

Same! Not sure how that came to be? Perhaps because right shift is too far away compared to left?

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Maybe we were taught the left side first. And it worked well enough we never engaged the right.

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A data entry job made me abandon 10-key.

I hated not having access to a backspace, and I was already close to being able to touch type on the number line.

I have no idea if it was actually faster, but it was close enough.

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Yep. One of the best investments I ever made tbh. It has paid so many dividends over time.

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I learned “proper” typing form when I was in elementary school. But what really thought me touch typing was trying to chat in games. Not only do you need to stay looking at what’s happening, but you need to type fast so you can get back to playing.

I’d more or less mastered touch typing by the beginning of middle school. By high school I got to about 100wpm which is where I’ve capped out since then.

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Playing WoW

See message from QT3.14 Dranei boy

Press numlock, type out 'sup bb LFR BT?'

Left and right mouse click to halt and continue killing. The good old days

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QWERTY layout. I was never taught teaching in school because I was part of the "you should already know how to type" 2k schooling. I can also type due to muscle memory ( much more easily on a non-flat keyboard ) but it's not an efficient typing compared to someone my age from the past who was formally taught touch typing.

Edit:

It also doesn't help that I usually use just my thumbs, index, and middle fingers to type usually.

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Yes with one quirk. I don't use the right shift, just the left. Not sure why I've ended up this way, or if it's a common variation.

EDIT: looked it up. It's very common

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lemmy.world

Yes. My kids would laugh at me when I worked from home because I would not stop typing when I looked up to answer something they were asking me. I suck on the phone keyboard but good with QUERTY big keyboard. My fingers can talk on those

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I do the same with my colleagues. Then again, I'm using the Moergo Glove80 tilted at 50° (3D printed stand), so I can't see what I'm clicking lol.

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Yes, but definitely not proper form, as my left hand rests on WASD+CTRL/Shift+Space.

I'm around 100 wpm, so maybe it doesn't matter.

While I completely understand people who can't get to 100 wpm (much like people at 110+ completely understand me), I cannot fathom young adults who cannot touch-type (barring disability, obviously).

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Yes, I can touch type. I had a computer class in my year of high school where they taught us all how to do it.

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I took typing in school several times using QWERTY. I learned the IBM typewriters were really nice to type on, and what the "correct" way to type was. It didn't make any difference though at the time because typing speed was never the limit, it was thinking speed. Then in college I got into IRC and most things didn't need deep thinking and so typing speed was the limit so I learned to apply the "correct" way because it was faster which I needed. (I never did meet a worthwhile girl on IRC so it didn't do anything for me even though I now type faster)

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I taught myself to touch-type with proper form after I built myself a split keyboard with the Dvorak layout (I figured since I'd never learned to properly touch-type with QWERTY it'd be as good an opportunity as any to pick up a better optimised layout). I gotta say, it does feel pretty great being able to type something with my eyes closed, or more practically, qouting stuff from a textbook without having to look at what I'm doing on my laptop.

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My laptops keyboard is completely black, with no letters on it. So even if i look down, its like staring into void lol

I type azerty

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lemmy.world

I can touch type, but not with proper form. I use a really fast "hunt and peck" method with my two index fingers and my other fingers for specific keys such as backspace, shift, space, ctrl, etc. I can typically type between 70 - 80 wpm with high accuracy.

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Thats me, I the ring finger only gets involved if I need to press 2 of ctrl/alt/shift at the same time

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I can't :3. I know how, but I basically never naturally do lol. I feel like part of the issue with touch typing for me, is keyboard spacing as I always find my right hand feels uncomfortably angled and cramped when I place them both on the home row :3. Something like a split keyboard would make it feel more natural I think

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I've actually leaned that in school, on a fully mechanical typewriter. But i don't use this skill, as touch type is completely useless for programming.

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I learned how to touch type qwerty by playing Mario teaches typing 2, which taught proper form. It was one of the video games I was allowed to play when I was a kid. However, I did learn a few things wrong.

I never learned how to use my right pinky for shift and use left pinky for every shift. I also don't know how to touch type numbers or symbols. I could probably learn that, but I don't have to use them very often, so it's hard to remember.

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The ONE class from High School that taught me something I literally use every single day.

Typing.

I graduated High School in 1988 and have used a keyboard almost every single day and can touch type with alacrity. As far as what layout, QWERTY.

While Dvorak is supposed to be faster and more efficient, I'm an old IT guy and not a typist. While some of my work does include writing presentations and reports, I'm doing more punching commands and using short cuts. It's just not worth the effort to learn another layout.

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I recommend learning proper touch typing with the 'correct' finger position. Its benefit is that there's proper movement for every finger for every key, which is mostly symmetric and very regular, and it gets ingrained in muscle memory. Hence typing anything is quick even if it's not fast overall. The fingers 'know' what they must do for any letter, and it's often faster to let them do their thing than to e.g. reach for the mouse. You can actually feel when you press a wrong key.

In case of a mistake, it's faster to delete a few words and retype them than to move the cursor back and forth. And if you get an app like Alfred (for Mac) or Keypirinha (for Windows), you can invoke it with a shortcut and type a few letters faster than you open an app or click on some widget with the mouse — it's often quicker to switch apps via Alfred than via cmd-tab. Likewise, when you use a keyboard-heavy app like Emacs, calling its commands becomes a breeze.

I'd like to use Dvorak or at least Colemak, but I'm concerned that all shortcuts would be messed up. Especially since I'm a user of Vim-style movements and commands.

Also, TIPP10 app is pretty nice for learning. No fluff, no extra stuff. Initially took me about a month to learn with half an hour or so a day, and about a year to fully get used to it and develop the speed.

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I was like, wait, what's "touch typing"? Oh writing without looking?

Yeah, been doing that a couple of decades prolly. I even do it on my phone most of the time. That's why I typo quite a lot unless I proofread. I do usually use the suggestions and glimpse at the kb from time to time and you can half see it anyway but yeah.

With a computer I don't really ever look at the keyboard. My speed has been measured a couple of times I think but can't recall anything except getting the highest grade. And I think those tests limit my speed as I don't copy things as fast as when I'm heatedly constructing and argument myself. Feels like I've got much better flow then than when reading a word and then having to output it at the same time.

I need to see whether I can measure my own speed sometime when I get into a nice argument and have good flow again.

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I never took a formal class and it's real weird to train now. But every now an then I try this typing game. There are a few different ones out there.

Typing Land

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Yes, since before I was 10 (qwerty).. Learned it on an electric typewriter. Once a colleague switched two keys on my keyboard around as a joke. I hadn't noticed untill he told me about it three months later.

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Yeah, managed to pick it up in a couple weeks, became more efficient over the course of a year or so. One thing that helped initially was learning on a keyboard with completely blank keycaps, therefore preventing me from cheating and just using my eyes.

I'm now still using the same keyboard, and can touch type flawlessly. However I still have trouble with number 6 :(. QWERTY.

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Yeah, I took a class in highschool where they just had us play a typing game until we got good enough at it. It really helps to learn the correct form and be using the right fingers for the right keys, once you get it in your muscle memory you don't have to really think about the individual letters anymore and the words just appear when you intend them to.

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Yes, I use Colemak DH, but can also touch type on QUERTY when needed (when working on my laptop).

I noticed that, while gaming helped me a little, it also taught me to put my fingers on the wrong keys (WSAD is not correct for typing), also QUERTY is really bad, I never tried to put fingers on the home row, because you barely use home row keys in QUERTY.

It took me two months of regular training to switch to Colemak but it was worth it. I type much faster and I feel like a skilled pianist when my fingers fly smoothly over the keys, and somehow I am even better with QUERTY now than I was before!

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Yes. Custom layout so I was forced to learn touch typing. I'm way faster now than I was with with qwerty after years of programming because I would always find myself looking at the keyboard. So, I guess with qwerty, the same could be accomplished by taking the characters off.

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Yes qwerty. I'm just a nerd. Lots of angry instant messaging arguments with iamsosmart boys growing up. Probably the best form of practice if you really want to get better (active instant messaging). It also helps to have a real keyboard, and not a laptop. They can get kinda spendy if you go mechanical. But, once you find an ergonomic layout that you like and the keys that you like with the features that you like, and you've improved a lot, it's hard to not, in the same way it's good to invest in good shoes and mattress.

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Yes, no, QWERTY; I use the F and J nubs to center my hands but I dont't keep them in the "correct position" as was taught in my elementary typing class. Regular computer use lends itself to getting good at typing quickly. I only have to look for some special characters that I don't often use.

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I don't recall much of my process learning touch typing on qwerty but the process was frustrating at first learning dvorak because the qwerty muscle memory kept getting in the way. But I made myself use it in IRC and kept a diagram of the layout on my 2nd monitor. I also played some typing games. Then, over time, I got better and better with it and started moving other programs over until it was my main layout. Now the first thing I do on a new to me PC is go looking for keyboard layout options (and holy fuck MS has moved that shit all over the place).

Wayland (or something in KDE) has the best handling I've seen yet. Gaming was always kinda annoying as different games have different levels of support for alternate layouts.

On windows, some would just work, remapping the default keybinds to the layout (because moving isn't about hitting wasd specifically, but the keys in those places) and text types as expected. Some I'd go into options and remap to dvorak. Some I'd just switch the layout and be annoyed any time I had to type text instead of hitting keybinds.

On Linux, Fedora Cinnamon, it was just random whether the layout would work like I wanted or do something else, like reverse (where even switching layouts keeps the incorrect dvorak layout), or sometimes it just ignored the system layout entirely. I had to remap and reset to defaults a lot.

But then I switched to Fedora KDE and it's perfect. Only "issue" is I had to set the default to qwerty, but then it uses that layout to remap the bindings for other layouts and both bidings and typing just works all the time now.

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I can to a basic level, but I type much faster without it.

I learned with a game.

I use touch typing when I'm in the dark and the keyboard has no backlight, then I can type at 10wpm.

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My parents made me take typing lessons when I was in primary school. I had to learn on an extremely heavy electric typewriter with the keycaps taped off.
It was a lot of work but I’m still enjoying the benefits of it.
Fun little difference was that we used QWERTY, but the ‘;’ was replaced with a ‘ij’

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I don't use all the right fingers but can type 80+ wpm, so you can be plenty efficient with enough practice.

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I've taken classes on QWERTY and have the right form, but I still need to look at the keys every once in a while.

Practice in online chat rooms has made it so I can type about as fast as I can think, which is good enough for me.

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I am old enough to have had a class in high school. On a normal keyboard, I can still hit 100 wpm with no errors. On a phone (which I don't use often), though, it's poke-poke-poke.

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We had keyboard classes in school but AIM was where I cut my teeth. Very proficient in typing. Are you over 60, or under 30 if you don’t mind my asking?

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Starya67reply
lemmy.world

Same problem, I have a Cherry keyboard for the same reason. The old Thinkpads used to have proper keyboards, I don't get why laptops all have keyboards you basically can't type on nowadays.

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Isnt there a guy online that modified theirs to have mechanical keys, basically doubling the thickness?

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I detest laptop keyboards, or even externals that are too flat. I need keys that move or my body memory to work right.

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lemmy.world

Yes, I had typing lessons for that when I was a kid. Learned on QWERTY and still use it to this day.
My form might not be completely proper (sometimes I use the "wrong" finger for a certain key), but it's pretty close to proper.

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I never use the right shift key for anything. Any time I need a capital letter, it's always the left shift even though that's not 100% correct.

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For those of you who switched keyboard layouts, did you also switch it on your phone?

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I know where all the buttons are, but I have bad aim.

If I don't look at the keyboard, I hit the wrong letter.

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Yes although not great. I use the traditional home row keys and I had typing classes in both junior high and high school. Tried divorak but im to lazy to learn a new layout especially since I need to look at the keyboard and new things will always use the traditional design. Touch typing is the thing I recommend to parents and kids when they ask about courses to take or such. Earlier the better really. I can't imagine typing without looking without haveing had typing classes. I don't look as a matter of course but I still look as is.

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Yes, improperly on qwerty before I switched to (a cursed subvariant of) dvorak. Now I do it with proper form.

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I was in the last class in my high school that was taught to type on an actual typewriter. So yes, I can touch type on QWERTY.

My wife (then girlfriend) took a typing class in college at my insistence that it would help her immensely. She agrees to this day that it was the best decision she ever made with regards to electives. I strongly suggest that everyone should take a typing class, be it free or paid.

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Touch type is without looking, right?

That I can do in multiple layouts. But none with proper form/finger placements.
At some point I was thinking of practicing it with workman layout.

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Yep. I learned to touch type through different kids typing programs back in the 90s. The one I remember the most was this game where there are two talking hands and you have to help them take back control of a city from this angry green blobby alien with a German accent. Apparently this alien's one weakness is typing.

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I formed my own way of typing before learning proper form. I touch type, but I swap which hand types the middle of the keyboard based on the word I’m typing and the letters around it. It’s not “proper,” but it works for me. I’m not the fastest typist, but I’m above average.

I also usually type on my phone screen without looking at the keyboard. Does that count as touch typing? Lol. I just took two typing speed tests on my phone and got 49–54 WPM.

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mander.xyz

I learned to touch type QWERTY in 7th grade (late oughts).
I taught myself to touch type Colemak two years ago. I liked it but quickly realized it was a waste of time because nothing else in the world uses it and i didn't want to give up QWERTY familiarity. lol

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i didn't want to give up QWERTY familiarity.

That's the neat part: you don't! Once you get comfortable with a different layout, then it's a second step to get comfortable switching. You will have issues for a while, but your brain will develop a switch quite quickly (it's much easier than learning Colemak). Once you have the switch, it's easy to use both layouts.

I work mostly on Colmak DH, but use QUERTY from time to time, when on my laptop.

The ONLY problem I have now is when my wife wants to use my computer... She doesn't want to try my fancy Colemak keyboard. (But it's more about it being a split keyboard with unmarked action keys in random places, than about the colemak).

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lemmy.world

Yes. I was a video editor for years and part of that was subtitling without automatic transcriptions. I could keep up with most speakers and if I'm remembering correctly, the typing speed tests I took for fun were 150wpm+

It's definitely a skill I've taken for granted but it's paying off big now that I work almost exclusively in AutoCAD (which makes you type commands, not just keyboard shortcuts)

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Everything without LISP routines sucks to me so I'm stuck on ACAD forever

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Yes. Qwerty. I can also touch type on my tablet using the onscreen keyboard which is helpful when taking notes while learning Spanish.

Oddly enough I've had a couple people who like to listen to me typing.

When I took a speed and accuracy test about 25 years ago I was around 35wpm and 95% I'm a lot faster now.

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I've been typing on QWERTY keyboards since when I was 8, almost on a daily basis, especially after I started working as DevOps. Now I'm 30, and the only moments I need to look at the keyboard to type is when I change to a new keyboard, because keyboards got different sizes. I don't type based on the braille-like relief from F and J keys, it's more like a muscle memory re-learned as I change to new keyboard sizes.

Not entirely related, but I also memorized things such as positions of letters within the alphabet (1 12 16 8 1 2 5 20 = A-l-p-h-a-b-e-t), Morse code (.- .-.. .--. .... .- -... . -) and even (some) ASCII hex/binary (41 6c 70 68 61 62 65 74 = "Alphabet", I typed this without using tools, same with the Morse and the alphabetic position examples; the only things I'm still struggling to memorize are punctuation, but I got to memorize A to O => 0x41 to 0x4f, P to Z => 0x50 to 0x5a, lowercase a to o => 0x61 to 0x6f, p to z => 0x70 to 0x7a, digits 0 to 9 => 0x30 to 0x39, space is 0x20). For binary, I simply map each nibble interchangeably (e.g. 0x0 to 0x9 <=> 0b0000 to 0b1001, 0xa to 0xf <=> 0b1010 to 0b1111) Not useful on a daily basis, but this means I could make use of other means of text/data input beyond keyboards (such as keying a Morse, although I still struggle with keying cadence), I could try to input direct binary data into a system/circuit even if I got no keyboard.

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Yes - QWERTY with proper form if you ignore the number row. No official education, just did some online tutorials at some point. Also my native language uses a different script so I technically know two QWERTY layouts and do about 80wpm in both which isn't terribly fast but ok for everyday use.

At some point I tried to learn one-handed touch typing and mostly gave up. I still remember the positions but it's so slow it's not worth it. If you already have a style that mostly uses one hand, it would probably be easier to learn.

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I switched to an ergomech keyboard so yes I have to touch type. My typing style on a normal keyboard is kind of dogshit though.

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I believe I can touch type properly on a QWERTY layout.

In Japanese, we have to convert kana into kanji as we type, so I sometimes make mistakes during the conversion stage.

I occasionally play a typing game called Sushi-Da for practice.

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Yes, learned how with a program on a VAX computer ('80s) using a VT100 terminal. I managed to get through high school and college by hunt and peck, though. Definitely not recommended.

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I didn't learn to touch type until I overpaid for a keyboard with blank keycaps. I didn't make much of an effort other than struggling to type without a way to check what keys I was about to press, but it seems to have mostly worked. As a consequence I never learned dvorak because qwerty was tough enough, maybe next month I'll switch 😅

My typing speed feels faster but it's probably not great for things I don't normally type, plus I haven't measured it

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i can do something similar, but when they tried to teach me how in like 5th grade I was very determined not to do what my teachers wanted so I do it weird

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I -can- do it, technically, with many mistakes and very slow, because it was forced on me in high school (around 2001), well after I’d refined my own typing style from chat rooms and instant messengers. I did it for that class, hated every second, and would go home to type the way I normally do, rather than practice it.

I type extremely fast despite using a mostly-sight-based, modified 2-3 finger hunt-peck. (As in one hand usually only uses two fingers, one uses three). I keep up with fast touch typers, around 90-95wpm, except when copying text verbatim (something I’ve never actually needed to do for any reason other than typing tests) so I have zero motivation to change what I do.

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I can touch type. A typing teacher would probably be horrified at my form because I followed absolutely no rules about finger placement whatsoever, but I hit a peak 138wpm before so I feel zero need to change to a more conventional style.

For what it’s worth, funny story but I learned both to touch type and to type so fast from playing Runescape.

Back before they added a central auction house you used to have to sit and type like “white:wave2:selling rune scimmy 25k - camel” amongst a sea of people doing the same thing when looking to buy/sell items. And your text disappeared after a few seconds so you had to keep repeating it over and over. I used to trade like that for hours every day and that repetition of just typing things over and over really quickly taught me to type like I do now.

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Yes, Dvorak, I forgot qwerty. I was taught qwerty touch typing in grade school, and switched to Dvorak in college when my wrists hurt all the time.

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I touch type on QWERTY with a few variations from the standard. For example, I use right shift seldom, to type a capital A I shift my left hand over, hold shift with my little finger and strike A with my ring finger. the Y key I type with either hand depending on what else is going on with my hands at the time, and the rules I follow I don't even understand, so most of those ergonomic split keyboards are no good for me. I don't know if I type 6 or B correctly, I use the right hand for both.

I was given typing tutor programs as a child, I took a keyboarding class in 9th grade, in fact I was in that class when the planes hit the towers. My typing proficiency really came from Yahoo! and MSN. Turns out, teens will pick up a skill on their own if it's useful for socializing with other teens.

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I use DVORAK on my phone and after a day was faster than with querty.             

I also use a keybeard called unexpected keyboard (via the fdroid app store) that does not have autocomplete but instead its really fast & still accurate to type non letters and numbers without holding the key down and wait and then choosing something. Also it can do shortcuts like ctrl+a, +c & +v which is quite pleasant

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I learned how to touch type in grade school, but quickly forgot after that. It’s just not that ergonomic to keep your hands in that position. However, it did give me the necessary memory of where all the keys are. My hands can magnetically reach each key without a lot of difficulty. I could type pretty quickly if I wanted to but I’m usually limited by my speed of thought and usually make quite a few typing mistakes.

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lemmy.world

Yes. Parents made me learn touch-typing with QWERTY when I was growing up

I actually made the effort to switch to Colemak-DH less than a year ago. Because getting a properly labelled Colemak-DH keyboard is so difficult (my laptop keys are still QWERTY layout), I... basically forced myself to learn how to touch type in like 2-3 months. Still can't do the multilingual symbols very well (I always forget where the ^/circumflex is...), but I think I have a >98% accuracy on everything else

Unfortunately I forgot how to touch type with QWERTY after learning the new setup...

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Colemak claims to not remove QWERTY proficiency, but I think that's wrong.

I use Colemak at work and QWERTY at home. That way I keep my proficiency at both. I also game on my PC and I can't be bothered to edit the keybindings for every single game I play

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Yes, qwerty and Dvorak, although I have to guess and check with some special characters on Dvorak. I have an unlabeled Dvorak keyboard at work (this guy right here), but I only physically go in to the office once every few weeks nowadays, and I'm starting to forget where some of the symbols are.

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Yes, QWERTY. But I'm just old enough to actually have typing class as an elective in high school, not sure if that's still a thing in 2026. It was useful and being into tech I knew it was something I'd need to learn.

I'll add that the keyboard you're using is important for touch typing. Some keyboards don't have good bumps/notches on the keys which makes it harder to do any real touch typing without looking down at the keyboard.

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I never managed proper training with the correct hands positioning so my hands are a bit all over the place. But years of Twitter, Reddit and online gaming (yeah, I was that type for some time) helped a lot so now I can type fairly quickly in both QWERTY and ЙЦУКЕН.

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I can touch type in both qwerty and Dvorak. For me I think it was a combo of starting piano when I was in elementary school, AIM chat rooms, and computer lab time at school.

Back when I was still playing I could type 140wpm with qwerty, but since I've stopped it's dropped to the 100 range.

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Canary (Angle Mod) layout. Form is quite proper with alternating shift however still learning so only hitting 60 WPM with punctuation on.

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Yes. QWERTY, I learned from both Type Attack and Mavis beacon. Tried Dvorak for the heck of it but that one didn't stick. I (could) think essays straight onto the screen so long as not too many numbers were involved.

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lemmy.world

I thought myself to touch type a few years ago. It was also never part of my formal education even though it would have helped a lot ! I was using a mix of AZERTY, QWERTZ ans QWERTY and now I exclusively use International QWERTY, it's a standard layout with accents and special characters with ALT modifier.

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I landed on EurKey, it's niche but gives me a standard QWERTY layout for programming and German on AltGr and Greek letters on compose

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Yes, but not in a standard way. I do things my own self taught way and didn't care to adopt anything my schools taught. They did teach how to type all through grade school where I grew up. It's just that I was usually the fastest in the class doing my own weird thing already and that never changed even in high school where I got bonus credits for typing above 80WPM.

I’m probably not as efficient as I could be.

Same here, my average WPM definitely suffers harshly or strangely thrives in weird ways depending on what repetitive keys I need to press I noticed in the Final Sentence typing battle royale demo on Steam that would be solved by typing properly.

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No. I have become very fast at the two-finger hunt and peck method after years of use.

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Dvorak at work, QWERTY away from work. I occasionally start typing Dvorak at home, but it doesn't take much to reset the brain to QWERTY. I learned touch typing in high school in the 80s on a mechanical typewriter.

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Partially, only with one hand. I use one finger on the other hand

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i touch type qwerty and dvorak. when i was working in a call center i started learning one-handed qwerty touchtyping, too.

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I was never good at typing until I got a job programming. Never took a course or anything so I'm definitely not using proper form, but if you use a keyboard enough your fingers learn where the keys are.

A course might help, but like all muscle memory, the trick is to just practice it enough times that you don't need to think about it anymore.

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Yes. I started with QWERTY, then I moved to Dvorak, then I moved to Colemak, and then I finally settled on Workman ^[1]^.

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I used to be able to. Then I got a new computer... and I was still able to.

Then a few months later my typo rate increased, correcting them quickly got harder, and I derailed more often. (How do I fiz my jeyboarf?) Sometimes it feels like I'm derailed even when I'm not.

QWERTY only, I have never even seen a physical Dvorak keyboard, or any other layout.

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Proper form? Strictly speaking no, but I’m close. I learned on IRC, and can crank out an acceptable 90wpm - though that’s small potatoes compared to pros.

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I semi-touch type, with three fingers and one thumb, and form that looks like an arthritic hobo. But I still get the job done.

However, I can work a numpad or a ten-key calculator like a pro athlete.

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