MAGA supporter feeling gaslit
She says a lot more but my eye rolling made me stop reading after the first five sentences
https://xcancel.com/ImBreckWorsham/status/1986436503988297774#m
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She says a lot more but my eye rolling made me stop reading after the first five sentences
https://xcancel.com/ImBreckWorsham/status/1986436503988297774#m
I can excuse racism and pedophilia, but my financial wellbeing is where I draw the line!
Man, I mean, that kind of is the ugly truth, isn't it? Some people actually can excuse racism and pedophilia if it means there's a shot at personal gain. I'm not surprised, really, just wholly disgusted.
I know right? The dude said “Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything” and ”I moved on her like a bitch.”
When I heard that during his first campaign, I thought he was done, no one could possibly accept such deplorable behavior, right?
…and here we are.
I remember when an enthusiastic "yeah!" would end a politicians career and mark them as "too unhinged" to represent anyone.
Brown suits and mustard preferences are also beyond the pale of acceptable political behavior
Well, think of who his supporters are, they just don't think he means their pussy. How he got any women to vote for him is beyond me but...here we are, maybe they'd be proud and wear a shirt if he did and the "red pill" assholes were partly right ?
https://truthout.org/articles/yes-55-percent-of-white-women-voted-for-trump-no-im-not-surprised/
And it's worse, just today I was reading
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/11/milan-prosecutors-investigate-alleged-sniper-tourism-during-bosnian-war
In the best scenario this is a wedge in what they believe. "If he lied about this... is he lying too about the rest?"
He has lied about so much and been proven wrong, so sadly I doubt anyone will take that away from this
That's why I say "in the best scenario". In the typical they won't see a problem in that.
You really nailed it with this, thank you.
They became the victim.
The thing is that a there's actually a pretty big divide among MAGA now. Ever since Trump and his admin refused to release the Epstein files like promised, there's a very big chunk of MAGA who went in uproar and rejected Trump. That chunk of MAGA which I would say is maybe around 1/3 of the base is disenfranchised because while they're still MAGA in their beliefs, they no longer view Trump as a prophet like the rest of the base.
oh how I wish I believed that
I think its true. Think about it, a big part of right wing ideology, at least in the US, over the past decade or so is the idea that there's global network of powerful individuals who influence how the world is run, who are discretely working together to run a child trafficking ring. This idea has spanned quite a few conspiracy theories from pizzagate to Q anon to the Epstein list. A very large chunk of the right not only believe this, but it is the basis of their political beliefs.
The reason why this part of the right gravitated towards Trump to begin with is because he's the only one who entertained the idea. While all the other politicians ignored or denied these conspiracies, Trump used them to gain support. In 2016 Trump claimed that he was going to go against the establishment, expose their crimes, and drain the swamp. In 2020 he claimed that the powerful elites were conspiring against him because he was close to exposing them and they're trying to steal the election to keep him out. In 2024 he claimed that he will release the Epstein files the first day he's in office again.
A lot of people genuinely believed that he would do this even though he himself is a powerful elite, has close ties to the people who ran the pedo rings, and there's allegation that he even participated... but then again, we're not talking about the most critically skilled bunch. Regardless, these people supported Trump because he promised to deliver what they sought, and so in that sense they're more loyal to their belief in their conspiracies then they are to Trump himself.
When the Epstein list turned out to be a real thing, their long running conspiracy theory has finally been validated, and they pinned all their hopes on the one guy in the political sphere who promised to bring it all out to light on day one. So when that time came and Trump started his second term, nothing happened. These people started getting antsy and they started putting more and more pressure on Trump and his admin to explain the delays, especially after Bondi explicitly stated that the files were on her desk.
So when Bondi and Trump suddenly did a 180 and not only refused to release the Epstein files, but straight up denied their existence, that's when the spell was finally broken on some of these MAGA types who hitched a ride just for these files to be exposed to the public. This was doubly so when he publicly disowned any supporter who even entertained the idea of its existence. At that point even the most dimwitted MAGA who joined the movement for the truth saw that Trump was not only not going to deliver on his promises, but he basically just admitted that he's guilty. He's one of the elite they were trying to go after all this time.
This portion of MAGA is what became disenfranchised, they're no longer see Trump as a fit leader for the movement even if they believe a lot of what he stands for. You don't hear about them or see them as much, because they're not really a part of MAGA anymore. They've been banned from all MAGA spaces virtual and irl the moment Trump disavowed them, and they've been rejected as being liberals by the more brainwashed MAGAs who are still in the movement, in fact these ultra brainwashed MAGAs are the movement.
This may ironically be a conspiracy theory on my part, but I firmly believe that this rift is real. I have never, ever seen the comment sections on Fox News, ONN, Brietbart as well as the Twitter, Truth Social, and the right wing youtube space turn as heavily against Trump as that moment. I think this was the last straw for a lot of them, and I assure you that Trump and his MAGA candidates are going to be shells of themselves in terms of performance in every election from now on.
If more people actually worked like this, we'd have fewer issues. Rightwing policies are absolutely terrible for working class people, and workers far outnumbers the groups that would benefit financially from these policies (even when the people in power are somewhat more reasonable than Trump and don't sacrifice the entire economy for their insider trading schemes).
The solution is simple, we eat the rich
I cannot bring myself to believe that this is real. The only way I can believe someone so eloquent of a writer would believe Trump is if they are in on it and it seems she's not a billionaire. Also, I don't think people who would vote for Trump 3 times would ever have the ability to reflect and change their view on him.
If they would be capable of that, we wouldn't be here in the first place.
100%. Rightwingers believe people who use welfare are mostly undeserving except the occasional outlier. They'd more easily accept that the dems simply won't let Trump release the Epstein list or some conspiratorial nonsense than call it the Epstein shutdown. This is a lib doing a "How do you do fellow cultists".
And all of their family members who rely on welfare are in the "outlier" group. Because they aren't like those other people. They really need it.
Or they also hate their family members. It can be pretty hard to convince these types of people that your medical conditions are actually real if they're not as visible as e.g. amputated limbs, and then they just see you as lazy failures or something.
The moment she expressed concern for people who weren't her, or directly related to her, was what broke the suspension of disbelief for me.
The belt got tighter and tighter until it started to hurt them personally. Then they started to reflect.
Don't doubt the human capacity for self
reflectiondeception. I've met quite a few of articulate imbeciles who voted orange.Edit: deception. Self deception. Autocorrupt got the best of me.
Kelsey Grammar, who player Frasier and the X-man Beast, is famously a Trump asslicker.
Hmmm, side show bob was famously a self aware, smart republican. Good casting
This shit is why I never use autocorrect. It's way too easy to end up saying this kind of absurd garbage, some typos and typing slightly slower can never be as bad as that. And I'm already the type who might forget a "not" and thus say the complete opposite of what I intended ...
For me it was how easily they slipped in the phrase "Epstein shutdown" that gave it away. That just seems so clearly phrased by someone who always hated Trump cosplaying as victim of a face eating leopard.
The mistake is believing the capacity to disappoint isn't unbounded.
If you haven't had the "pleasure", talk to a Republican in real life. This is how they think...
I talk to them daily. This is not how they think. They didn't ever stop to think that maybe they were wrong.
But your story just continues to show that nobody with such strong opinions seem to care until it directly effects them. In your case, it sounds like they are right on the border of realizing this. It just sucks that this is what it takes for them to even consider this.
Talking to him and being a good person can do more than you realize.
I was raised white Christian nationalist, although we didn't call it that and I wouldn't have realized that's what I was. I was taught all the conservative bullshit, both politically and socially. Thankfully there was always a part of me that was like "something isn't right here" and I kept my mouth shut and was never the bully going around mouthing off to gay kids or minorities, but I definitely thought things like "being gay is a choice" and "poor people should just work harder" and "abortion is something welfare queens do" but also "welfare queens have lots of babies for more money".
Being around people like you who were nonjudgmental and just talked about their point of view and occasionally gently challenged my beliefs without being confrontational opened my worldview and helped give me the courage to listen to the voice in my head that was saying something felt wrong with the belief system I was raised in. I'd always been taught things like liberals were stupid and lacked critical thinking skills and acted solely on emotions and I was young and kept in a bubble and was dumb enough to believe it until I started meeting people who proved otherwise. That was enough to start the cracks forming that eventually shattered the entire wall of lies. I'm now a raging socialist and I don't care how people live their lives as long as they aren't harming anyone else. I don't think I would have ended up that way if I wasn't someone who is willing to think for myself and who isn't afraid to be the "black sheep", because leaving that mindset lost me my family, but I definitely wouldn't have ever been able to start down the path I'm on if I was never exposed to people like you who started showing me the lies in the first place.
100%. Honestly more than anything were suffering a large scale collapse of community. First, the highway system and cars came in and carved up large-scale communities. Everyone riding around in their own personal pods, not having to interact with anyone else.
Then the internet comes in, allowing anyone and everyone to find material that conforms and confirms their biases. Forget about going out and touching grass. Has anyone spent any actual time in an average day brushing elbows with hundreds of strangers and holding casual conversations. Nothing stops stupid behaviors faster than being judged by the community around you.
That's what fixed the rest of what was left of my toxic worldview. I started working in healthcare. I've treated people from all over the world. I've treated people who speak so many different languages. I've treated people of all religions. I've treated different gender identities and sexual preferences. I've treated people I knew were rapists or murderers (fucking worst, but you grit your teeth and treat them like human beings who need healthcare). I've treated so many refugees from various places (love the refugees, keep them in the US!)
All of them are just people. I've met a lot of really shitty people and a lot of really good people. It's hard to hate a group of people when you meet individuals from a particular subset and realize they have the same hopes and fears as you. At the end of the day, we all just want to go to our respective homes and be safe and loved and alive and there shouldn't be anything political about that.
Not that you need me to tell you this, but you're a good person.
Yeah. I've been considering that it's a bit like the difference between empirical and theoretical physicist.
The theoretical physicist uses models of how the world works to make predictions about the outcome of experiments. The empirical physicist has to do experiments to believe it. It's kinda the same for people in politics.
Some people can predict what outcome certain policies are going to have. Others have to figure it out experimentally.
What's the best way to teach a kid to not play with fire?
Let them touch it. Hopefully they will only do it once
People who are below average intelligence take a lot longer time process new information and tend to hang onto myths much longer than smart people. Smart people can adapt to new information whereas these folks just can't. They are susceptible to being gaslit because they can't think critically. Personally, I don't think people below a certain intelligence level should be permitted to vote.
I'm going to disagree with you a bit here. I've seen first hand when intelligent people use all their additional cognitive ability to create rationalizations and pseudo-logical interpretations of questionable facts to avoid challenging their own assumptions. It takes a good dose of humility/integrity to admit that you were wrong and be willing to change course. That's not a feature of intelligence, at least not in the realm where it is typically measured.
You may not realize it but you're humanizing "the left" for him. Its probably keeping him somewhat grounded.
First of all, i don't think you're tooting your own horn, you juuust stated you don't have a car! So its unlikely you happen to have a horn lying about...
Intentional is a good description, but from what i read i want to add sincerity. Thats important, especially in a world of grift and propaganda.
Is this not normal? If you treat people kindly and with respect, they're more likely to respect you back and treat you kindly. This common courtesy establishes a level of trust where others are more willing to listen to what you have to say. This is the only way people can ever change their minds.
I have never seen any instance of anyone changing their minds because others were demonizing them and making fun of them. I feel like the people who advocate for others to be dicks to people like this guy tend to be major assholes themselves, and these people are big part of the problem. Yet that views is becoming more and more common. So props to you for treating this guy like person, you might think much of it, but your interactions with him might very well be the reason why he even has the chance of coming around.
you're honestly one of the best. I wish I could have that kind of patience even just for my own family let alone others.
Cute, but of course it's fake, a 'feel-good' post for the left. Some of the phrasing ('we see you', 'Sit down', etc) exposes this as someone on the left impersonating a magat. MAGA simply does not talk like that.
Look at the profile and timeline. It's all anti-trump, anti-repub stuff, just done in a way to sound like coming from a conservative POV. No posts bashing Democrats which a real maga account would definitely have.
We can see their profile from the link.
For a fake, that's a long con.
It's not a long con, it's a long shtick. And not as long as the Colbert Report.
Colbert was ironic comedy, satire, & parody.
The earliest months look sincere in their support Trump & MAGA while opposing Biden & Democrats. That's a considerable commitment. I doubt the commenter I responded to actually looked at the timeline.
Maybe, but there is a genuine shift among the right where they're turning against Trump. Trump has been relevant in politics for a decade, and I have never, ever seen a bigger uproar against him within the right than when refused to release the Epstein files. That was the very first time that I thought "oh shit, this is different"
Republicans do not hold a monopoly on bashing the democrats. The republicans dont even do a good job of it.
Everyone hates getting taxed, idk how ppl cant come together on taxing the ultrawealthy more so we get taxed less, they just avoid it entirely, idk how mfs still believe in trickle down economics
because I'll be a billionaire one day too. just gotta finish pulling up these bootstraps
There would be no incentive to become a billionaire if you have to give away 0.1% of it! It only grows at like 8% a year in the first place! 😭😭😭
I'm fine with taxes.
Like, as in the way they are at the exact moment in time of this post?
Taxes are great as a concept but who pays what and when: seems rigged in favor of those who have.
I'm fine with paying taxes, yes.
Basically the ultra-wealthy are presented like a superstar, like a celebrity in american media. That way, everybody wants to identify with them, and that causes the thought that if they have more wealth "that's good for all of us" because they identify with them.
It's basically because they have superstar status that people worship them. That's what this is all about.
You don’t need taxes if the government owned a few key assets that actually generated profit.
The only reason we have taxes is because we decided long ago that only private enterprise should make money.
She'll forget about her 'outrage' in a week ot two, then go back to praising all his 'wisdom and leadership'.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE be Compassionate! She THOUGHT that by Electing Trump ONLY Trans and Brown kids would be Hurt! She NEVER Thought
JesusTrump would go after WHITE People too! Be NICE!See a normal person would see this as opportunity to bring this person over to their side. This could be an opportunity to explain to this person that this is how other people feel too, that her she's not alone in her rejection of Trump, and that she's better off joining everybody else in the fight for everyone instead of just for some.
However, a deranged person would see this as opportunity to mock and belittle this person for changing their view because they view people as inherently evil.
My friend, people have been explaining that shit to them for decades. This person will 100% vote for the next fascist who hurts brown people and lgbtq people
The point isn't to convert, politics is not religion. The point is to use common ground to establish coalitions and utilize diplomacy tactics (compromise and cooperation) to advance practical policies that seek to benefit the greater good. You're not going to see eye to eye with everyone, and it's wrong to think that you should only ever work with people who do. If people like her share a common stance with us, it would be foolish not to capitalize on it.
Or, theres more issues than just trans people. Ffs, America is fucking doomed. Youre not upset that theres a fucking nazi Gestapo running around, youre just upset that arent taking away the people you want taken away. What a fucking mess.
I think I might have cancer from reading some of the responses. And then clicking through to their profiles.
It's truly astounding the things these people believe.
And they believe the same things about us.
We have an actual war on truth and objective facts in this country, and it's being waged by billionaires that control the narrative to pit us against each other. American media is a goddamn propaganda farm run by a dozen or so Goebbels.
I agree with what you said, but I'm like 5% worried you might be referring to "leftist propaganda".
You think leftist propaganda doesn't exist?
I think there's only a small handful of leftists in American politics at all, and that their propaganda apparatus would be small, if it exists at all. Maybe centrist, neoliberal propaganda, but leftist? Where?
Leftist is a relative position, so what it means changes depending on what it's compared to. There is always a left and a right as long as there is a meaningful distinction between the two.
Oh it absolutely does, but nowhere near the volume as rightist propaganda.
Literally all of the major news channels are owned by conservative billionaires now. And a substantial amount of newspapers. They bought your local TV news, too...and in doing so they bought your trust.
Every time I click on a conservative news source, there are half-truths, lies through omission and/or emotional language in an active voice. All the news channels have talking heads scream-talking in an elevated, authoritative voice and have banners run across the bottom in all caps as if it's yelling at you. It wants your attention, and it wants you to think it's important and scary.
These are age-old tactics of yellow journalism. Does it happen in leftist news? Sure, sometimes. Not nearly the same level.
The problem is, generally speaking, the full story with whole-facts is damning to the right. So they keep only the news that works for them.
If this wasn't obvious by the time Kellyanne Conway got up on Meet The Press and told us about "Alternative Facts", then it should've been by the time Trump talked about Haitians eating pet dogs on the debate stage.
In today's political climate, Leftist propaganda isn't a threat. It's irrelevant.
I say this as someone who firmly believes in capitalism and limited government.
Fascism is the only threat that matters right now.
You don't think Charlie Kirk or Trump shooting are related to propaganda?
First of all, those shooters were right wing nutjobs. So leftist propaganda was definitely not involved.
Virtually all political violence in America is done by rightwing extremists. That's a fact that's been true for 45 years. You can look it up.
If you sincerely believed that those shootings were caused by the political left, then you need to fact check your news sources and check your own gullibility, because you got tricked.
Second of all, I meant a threat to our society, democracy, and our way of life. I didn't mean a threat to individual fascists.
If tankies ever become significant, I'll be right here arguing against them. But they're not significant. That's another fascist lie.
As far as I can tell, there is no official motive known for Crooks, but Robinson was clearly not motivated by right wing propaganda. Where do you get your news? Do you have any sources supporting your theories that they were right wing? The irony...
Not in any meaningful way, at least in the US.
All the MAGA morons I know are totally fine with what is going on
They will be, until they are personally affected
That video Don't be a Sucker should be mandatory yearly viewing. It won't solve everything but people would learn to better recognize the divide and isolate patterns.
Or maybe not. Humans are complicated.
It's the party of pure selfishness, they do not understand empathy. Until they themselves are affected at all, they won't understand .
They understand it and they believe that it is "evil". Charlie Kirk said it himself.
This is the case for most people. People change their opinions when they're personally affected because first hand personal experience is as real as its going to get.
Anyone who has empathy can see how bad things are for others without going through it themselves though
Oh I don't think they do
But that's a matter of perspective. Empathy as a concept is vague, subjective, and fluid.
Sure, but the definition is about putting yourself in others shoes. If someone said "let's lock up all (ethnicity)" and you can't imagine how shitty it is to be locked up due to ethnicity, then you got a problem
Sure, but let me give you the same example but in a different context.
Let's suppose that instead of "let's lock up everyone from this ethnic group", a politician says "let's stop illegal immigration". Stopping illegal immigration is a perfectly rational, reasonable, moral stance to have. If someone hears the latter phrasing, they might take it at face value even if the politician really means the former. Thus, this individual has come to indirectly support the former even though they think they're supporting the latter. The end result is the same because the politician's intentions never changed, however, the morality of this individual is no longer as black and white as in your example.
And if said person can see what is happening, for example with ICE, and they don't question what is going on, after gaining an understanding, then its right back to being as black and white
Ben Shapiro quaking in his Jewish little boots rn. Turns out if you're instilling hate about all the minorities, they'll eventually get to yours.
Many aren't, they are disappointed he isn't going harder :(
Why are they complaining? After all, they didn't vote for the orange rapist because he would do anything for the little people, but because he is a racist and just as dull-witted and intolerant as they are themselves—that was so important to these people that they voted for him against their own interests.
Now they don't want to pay the price, but claim they voted for him because they supposedly believed, against all common sense and against the advice of even their own families, that he would stand up for the people? No one believes that.
I do believe that. More often than not, people believe what they want the truth to be, not what the actual truth is.
This person obviously falls for propaganda quite a bit. And the right spends a lot of time painting the left as an evil force that hates them and wants to destroy them and their children. So even if Trump is not as pristine as she'd wish, still better than the left who literally wants to destroy her children and force them to be trans (or whatever the current narrative is).
I'm not saying the vile racists are not a significant portion of their voters, I'm just saying that these well meaning but severely misguided people are a huge portion of their voters as well.
And by lumping them together you're basically forcing them to adopt the extreme views so that they belong somewhere. And that's how you create more extremists, because you tell them "either you're with us or with them." And with the (wrong) information they have, they can never choose you.
I'm not saying to tolerate intolerance, but ask any psychologist how successful can you be in forcing people to change their view. You have to guide them so that they discover the answer alone. And unlike the really bigotted people, people like her can be guided.
Of course, it is commendable to believe in the good in people, and there are certainly those who are simply so gullible that they believe the mindless far-right propaganda despite all its obvious contradictions.
In this case however, which seems to me to be typical of the current behavior of many MAGA demagogues, I think that it is just a matter of pure selfishness, of self-preservation: the regime is losing credibility even among its loyal supporters because it is going too far with its criminal activities and its boundless greed. It seems only fitting to me that those opportunists who, like this lady, have loudly supported it for a long time are now trying to portray their support as a naive misstep. That's also how it was before the Nazi regime was overthrown in Germany: suddenly, no one wanted to be a Nazi anymore because then, of course, they would have had to answer for all the crimes they had made possible or even participated in themselves.
Furthermore, I have no tolerance for intolerant people. I don't think that's a contradiction, because I believe that people's freedom ends where it interferes with the lives of others. There must be good reasons for this – for example, when the actions of individuals pose a danger to the general public. Blind racism or intolerance towards minorities who simply want to live their lives cannot be such a reason. That's why I have no sympathy for people who think it's okay to impose their twisted worldview on others—I can't muster any sympathy for them and want nothing to do with them, especially since it's pointless to try to have a rational discussion with them, as this post shows (she lost friends and family just to support some hardliner party who couldn't care less - and that is because she just would not see reason).
I realize, of course, that in the US in particular, due to the sheer number of deeply racist and poorly educated citizens, it is necessary to build bridges, but I still think that people like this woman or MTG should not be accommodated. The reason: with their ideology, from which they are unwilling to deviate, they are a danger to the general public, to democracy, and especially to the groups against which their blind hatred is directed.
It is simply impossible to work with people who are so deluded. I think it would be dangerous to respond to them with anything other than strict rejection, because that would only reinforce their unshakeable conviction that their ideology and inhuman actions are even remotely acceptable.
You are right, of course, that democracy requires discussion and a willingness to compromise, but that is not possible with this kind of MAGA cultists because they refuse to accept rational arguments. IMO this disqualifies them as discussion partners, since rationality is a fundamental prerequisite for reasonable, productive discourse and thus for any democratic process.
So I don't think that strictly rejecting deluded extremists will lead to further extremism. Rather, I think that extremism can only be stopped by strictly excluding people like this woman from the discourse – anything else will only lead to the discourse sinking to their level, as has unfortunately long been the case not only in the US.
In short, I think we have tried long enough to keep extremists in check by treating them with understanding—this has led to the situation in which not only the US finds itself today. I don't think we should keep this up.
Edit: By "these people," I don't mean conservative voters in general, but only demagogues like this woman, who poison the discourse with their loudly expressed hatred by spreading racist slogans and untruths instead of presenting arguments. I think the woman's post, if it is genuine, says very clearly what kind of person she is.
I agree with you. What you're saying becomes obvious when you see thousands of social media posts all erroneously claiming Charlie Kirk was killed for his "opinion". No, he was killed for being a vicious evil hatemonger. That's a significant difference.
it works because right wing propaganda have to keep repeating the lie constantly to make it stick. Dems dont do that.
It you feel like there's no lying and propaganda on the left, congrats, you've fallen for it!
Though it tends to be on the less extreme side. Doesn't mean there isn't any.
I see this defence often, would you defend German Nazis similary, she's the banality of evil writ large.
I don't see people falling for Bernie Sanders "propaganda" ? Why cant she be sane, be "conned" into sane politics designed to help people?
She's a stupid racist, shit stain is why..
I was radicalized by walkable City propaganda. The revolution will start at local zoning board meetings!
The confluence of what 'radicalized' me is so hilarious. Walkable cities (anti-car-centricity), cleaner air (net zero, green energy), happier citizens, less stress, more time with family... all coming with the loss of our singular goal of working to make some rich fuckers richer...
But people do vote for them thinking that they would help the little people, that the minorities are actually evil or hurting their country
If people didnt believe lies, there would be no reason to say those lies. There would be no people who change their political ideology
Yes, that's why there must be legal and social consequences for people who systematically and continuously spread lies. If a democracy is to function even remotely, we cannot let them get away with it, forgive them for their actions, or dismiss them as harmless campaign tactics.
Otherwise, exactly what we are experiencing will happen: political discourse is moving further and further away from its purpose, which is to negotiate compromises based on the exchange of (rational and factual) arguments.
It goes without saying that marketing, charisma, and rhetoric are part of this, but deliberate misinformation is something else entirely.
One example: Trump's claim during the presidential debate that foreigners eat pets—this is a blatant lie with no basis whatsoever. It is unacceptable that this was not immediately clarified.
Trump has been acting this way throughout his entire career, and he can do so because no one is prosecuting him for it, at least not in a way that would prevent him from doing so. He has already been ordered to pay high fines for defamation, but he will probably never pay them – and even if he did, it would not stop him from continuing in exactly the same way.
Anyone who votes for him anyway is either misinformed because of all the lies or has other motives.
As far as i know, there is at least a country that has made it illegal for politicians to lie to their potential voters
In my country, as far as i know, it is illegal to spread false/misleading information about minorities in public spaces, though that hasnt stopped a politician from saying that some romanian fascists from WW2 were "national heroes" without any legal consequences
Q believes that. 😄
So proud of your immigrant inheritance, but no other immigrants allowed? Or is it just the brown folk you have a problem with?
There is no way this is a real person right? Please tell me this isn't a real person?
Poe's Law is strong with this OP.
Unfortunately very expected. Italian Americans easily forget they used to be called guinea, dago, wop, when they go around calling other people towelheads. There's no cognitive dissonance when they think they've figured out their position in the hierarchy.
And who knows, they might see the day where they help those words make a comeback.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H. L. Mencken
Aww she developed her first thought
fall for it once or twice shame on them, for fore it more than 3 times shame on the person.
Though I don't feel bad for her, I would argue we should try to be nice. I'd rather have her see the light for the mistakes she made than her continuing being on the side of evil
We need more people on the right side
She hasn't changed. She'll vote for the next Trump who they believe will be more surgical when it comes to hurting people they don't like. This is her basically telling the party to reduce the collateral damage. The ideology that brought her to support them hasn't changed.
In most free societies, an individual's political beliefs are viewed as product of their circumstance, and since circumstances change for people all the time, their politics are also expected to change. The very concept of democracy revolves around the idea that people are able to change their opinions. This idea that politics is some sort immutable personality trait is only found among authoritarians because their ideologies are so rigid that they don't leave any room for nuance.
Your opinion here is shouldn't even be argued. It should be the standard for any individual who genuinely believes in the concept of democracy.
It's taken the collapse of the system for them to even notice there is a problem. Notice how she has no issue with ICE and their abuses? Her issue is that the economy isn't doing well, and her investments are falling apart. That's what she's upset about.
These people are not seeing the light, they are simply upset that they are having to burden the consequences as much as the "Other™" people.
She's not and will never be an ally, she only voted to preserve her privilege with the hope of ruining the lives of those she considered undeserving. now she has lost some of her privilege, and now it is a problem for her.
That's literally how politics is supposed to work. People are a product of circumstance, and since there are a lot of people with different circumstances that constantly change, there's going to be a competition of power. Democracy, as a concept, exists to facilitate this competition peacefully. People vote for their best interests, and politicians compete with each other to convince voters that they understand their circumstances and will do what's in their best interest. If a voter feels like a politicians isn't representing them anymore, they move to a different politicians that represents them better.
You have to be some type of authoritarian to embrace the idea that people are inherently evil or their politics is immutable. If you reject the notion that people can change their views, compromise, or cooperate with each other then you're fundamentally at odds with democracy, and YOU are the problem.
That is if you assume everyone is selfish and cares only for themselves. Solidarity exists. she only cared about herself, she did not care at all for anyone else who Trump promised to hurt.
This is not how politics works, and if no one has empathy for anyone else and only cares from themselves, then society itself wont work.
You say politics shouldn't be about self interest, but you're condemning someone for not showing solidarity in the past while refusing to acknowledge that they might have it now. That's not principled, that's punitive.
You're demanding empathy from others while showing none yourself. If someone changes their views because they've experienced harm, that's not selfish. That's how people grow. If you actually believe in solidarity, you should welcome people who come around, not gatekeep it.
Otherwise, you're not defending empathy. You're using it as a weapon to feel morally superior. That's hypocritical.
Let's say, i doubt that by pure coincidence she got a moral compass the exact same moment her choices caught up to her.
I see her as a liability to any group. accept her at your own risk. and enjoy getting backstabbed or have your movement coopted.
So it looks like I was spot on, you really are self righteous moral crusader with superiority complex.
Also, it's not a matter of acceptance. It's a matter of strategic opportunity. You can't ever achieve anything at all if all you ever do is gatekeep, run endless purity tests, and operate in absolute extremes.
You are the one who wants to work with MAGA. and I'm the extreme one?
Yeah, youre just her with a different coloured shirt on, mate. Youre just a hateful, spiteful little person spewing popular buzzwords like your internet uparrows mean anything.
I mean, whats your endgame here? Round them up and deport them... You either pull your head out of your ass and accept that people are just people, and you forgive. Or, you keep on being a knob, and see where that gets you. Spoiler alert, nowhere good.
Time to put the digital pitchforks down, and start fucking talking.
You can't even bring together people who aren't on Trump sides, so you are failing on your messaging from the start when it comes to your big proclamation of talking it out.
You dont have to come together, you just have to stop being cunts to each other. None of you are fucking evil. Just fucking talk!
You aren't even doing a good job of getting non Trump supporters to agree with you.
And if you don't see supporting someone who wants to be a dictator, wants to get rid of minorities, hires white nationalists like Hegseth, threatens Canada's independence, bombs Venezuelan boats, and has ties to the files as not evil then what exactly is evil to you?
Because a person who endorses that type of person and only complains when they are financially affected, but were happily cheering on the policies before hand sure seem evil to me. This isn't like some disagreement about which food is better. What they fundamentally were in support of is red flags.
Its not my job to make you drink, just show you where the water is.
You dont know what the other people think or why they do the things they do. You just apply your dumb logic to people, and demote them to second class. Theres a word for people like that...
Heres a little history lesson. Just after the slaves were freed they found themselves with nothing. So they applied the skills they had, and grew Watermelon and sold it at market. They didnt just survive, they thrived. So much so that the watermelon became a symbol of Black of hope and strength to the freed slaves. The former slave owners on the other hand, didnt like that. So they started taking out ads showing black people eating watermelon like animals. And not just black people, caricatures of black people with the big lips. Inside 10 years, the watermelon was a racist symbol and struggled to sell it. Theres a story of a young boy who met his former nanny. When she left, the boy cried as he didnt want her to go. But when they met again, and the woman was over joyed to see the young boy she asked him to share some watermelon with him. His reply? "I dont eat n***** food.".
That is the power of propaganda. And that was just local weekly/monthly newspapers. But it worked so well, that over 100 years later, the watermelon is still associated with hatred of black people, instead of the symbol of hope that it started out as. Theres a lot more than a few newspapers now. But you seem to think that because people fall for the bullshit, that make it ok to hate them. Because they werent cool like to to see through it. Cos youre the good guys... gods chosen people... or some dumb shit that allows you to look at human beings and see something beneath you.
I don't even want to talk to you and you aren't even as unpleasant as those who support maga ideals, so your whole just talk it out has been a failure from the onset. But, if you believe maga is even easier to talk it out and change their minds then go at it.
Was this your word choice for trying to get people to work together? Demeaning someone for demeaning someone while demanding they work together might not be the best route either. But I agree we need to find ways to build bridges or else we will never be able to make things better. As for deporting people though, there are some harsh actions that may be needed. I'm not saying it is the best route but the next president arresting supreme Court judges for taking bribes, executing them for treason without due process could cause chaos. It could also help pass legislation that makes the president not immune to illegal acts as the supreme Court ruled. It would force the legislature to make abuse of powers and more restrictions on the executive branch which to be honest, needs to have its powers shrunk drastically. The point of a Republic is for the peoples representatives to be empowered to write legislation that helps advance/give opportunities to as many people as possible supposedly "equally", or at least fairly. But our executive branch having the ability to make executive orders completely undercuts all of that. If we don't do away with executive orders I think if an executive order is issued it should run side by side with an impeachment. Where then they are voted on by Congress and if half of Congress votes no confidence that it was completely necessary for the safety of the nation, the President is immediately removed. (Different rules than impeachment/removal) obviously
Aka, if there is an attack or something, they can make an executive order to respond before waiting for congress, but if congress feels it was misused, they are gone. No one should care who the president is, they should be a police officer in my mind. What they arrest someone for shouldn't be their choice, nor any punishment be their choice. If you are found to fake evidence it should also be viewed as treason. Which would make any party fight to do away with capital punishment pretty quick, because they won't want 7 members of their party getting the electric chair when they get caught up in lying to the public, like they do daily.
You cant work with someone who's only concern is herself. she will throw you under the bus the moment she can.
We need solidarity, not monsters who are now suffering the consequences of the policies they celebrated.
Do you think we should have mercy for the Germans who supported the Nazis and celebrated the genocide but lost everything during the war?
I am not saying to kill her, just that we should build a better world with our her consent. Let her live the rest of her life without family or friends and hated by everyone in the community.
We must work together. but we cannot work with people who have created this nightmare, who celebrated it, and are only sad when they horrors inevitable reached them. not just a moral purity stance. they will betray you the moment it benefits them.
You cannot build bridges with them, and if you do, don't complain when they throw you under the bus.
Now that being against trump is being defined as terrorism. you cannot bring in a MAGA, because they will rat you and your friends out in hopes to regain their status.
Sorry if I am not at my most eloquent, it is late and I am very tired.
Fuck me, youre a right nazi... which kinda ironic, when you think about it....
Fuck off,
are you one of those "antifa are the real fascists"?
Actually Im more one of those, "Anyone in the culture wars is fucking spoon". Known what I mean, spoon?
Nah, she is not and will never be an ally. the moment things are OK for her again she will be fine throwing us under the bus again. We need solidarity and a better country for everyone, not just for her or for "me".
I cared when minorities who arent me were tormented. every decent human did. she did not, she celebrated and caused that.
What I want? to her to stay without friends or family and society to heal but her to die alone because everyone should know the horrors she intentionally caused on everyone.
If trump steps down and becomes broke and poor and suddenly ask for help to the poor, would you accept him?
Dude, all you did was spout popular online thing. You dont give a fuck about the people who just want to earn a living, who dont have the time to worry about everyone else. You just make some wild claim about them, never once considering their circumstances. Talk about being privileged...
I work my ass off for local mutual aid to feed those trump has left behind and it truly breaks my heart knowing I will soon won't be able afford food for that, as I can barely afford to feed myself. That's besides all the marches and weekly protests and organising, and canvasing...
Do you really think everyone is just selfish and cares only for themselves?
lol Sure you do. And you just cant wait to tell everyone how totally selfless you are, while at the same time wanting people reduced to 2nd class status because... you think they should.
You sound just like they people you hate. Its hilarious how clear it is, yet you just wont see it.
stop for a second. do you think I do that just so I can brag online? or do you think I'm lying? or do you think that no one would do things to help other people?
because if the last one is "no" that says more about you than you think
She won't, she will betray you the moment it benefits her.
She will rat you and whoever you are organized with to the state in hopes to regain her status.
Maybe
But as long as we make "out side" hostile for people to walk over, we will make it worse for ourselves.
I'd rather treat coverts nice with the risk that they might continue to be a dick but who knows, she might see us how we actually really are, learn, and change her stance. Maybe she can even pull some more to the nice side.
it isn't your traditional conservative that's worried about taxes, MAGA are extremely racist, you can't rehabilitate that. not without a lot of introspection and years of therapy.
Yes, yes you are
That tardigrade is clearly playing a tiny cello, and not a tiny violin.
If only she had come to this realization NINE YEARS AGO
If she saw the future she'd still vote for Trump. The core ideology is something she agrees with and is happy with many of the policies being carried out. She's just not happy about the random way it is being carried out that is leading to collateral damage to groups of her kind that weren't supposed to be affected.
I mean better late than never. Though it should be pointed out, that her rejecting Trump doesn't mean that her beliefs changed, just that she's Trump for the liar that he is.
Regardless of this woman's issues, her finally coming around is a good sign. Let them finally crawl out of the cult pit.
At least she sees it. I'm glad she does.
Pretty sure this is fake. People who don't think so have way way more faith in these idiots than I do. The ones who do not starve to death will be voting for him in the next election.
Why would this be "the Epstein shutdown"? Sorry I'm out of the loop(non-american)
While it isn't the full motive for the shutdown, part of the motive is likely avoiding release of the Epstine files. Currently, only one more "yes" vote is required in the House of Representatives to pass a resolution calling for the release of the files. There is a new member of the House who was elected in Arizona but she hasn't been sworn in yet. The Speaker of the House has been delaying swearing her in for two months and has essentially shut down the House to avoid the issue. In the mean time, this means that the House is doing literally nothing to end the ongoing government shutdown.
The house isn't the hold up in the shutdown, but the rest is accurate. House can't help end the shutdown until the filibuster in the Senate ends. But there's other things, like committee investigations, they could be doing.
They're also holding up shutdown negotiations by not passing anything new that the senate can work with. They're basically saying "do a clean CR or nothing".
When someone leaves a cult, ya got two choices. Accept them or reject them. If you reject them they'll just run straight to another cult
She voted 3 times for a racist idiot. The last time she knew he was also a pedo.
I may have missed some posts, but I didn's see a word about deportations tearing apart families. She's cool with that. She's angry because Trump hurt the "wrong gmoups". He was supposed to hurt only some other groups.
Fortunately for me, I don't live in the US, I am not a US citizen, and I don't have to "accept her".
I bet she will rally behind the next guy promising to hurt "others", but posing as anti-Trump because he hurt some "good" Americans.
didn't say you had to forgive. Just that you had two choices.
Rejection will 100% guarantee they will flock to the next leader promising to retaliate for them
Why would acceptance be any different? Do we have any faith in these people? Only they can make themselves stop being assholes.
What is the difference? On a very basic level think how germany turned out after WWI vs Germany after WWII
This seems pretty hard for a lot of people to grasp and there's a lot of personal colouration being applied.
No you don't have to forgive. They don't have to be your friends. The administration doesn't get off scott free. But we're literally talking here about the people who are waking up and realising what they voted for, full of regrets and want to get the fuck off the wheel of madness.
So you can indulge your own dumb lizard brain punishing people for being lead about by the nose and realising they shouldn't have, thus perpetuating the cycle of stupidity or you can just not.
It took her rather long to arrive to that conclusion...
I really thought the fat pedophile, dumb racist reality star is what america needed. The second time, the fat pedophile, dumb racist reality star is really gonna keep his promises. The third time, the fat pedophile, dumb racist reality star surely is not gonna just lie again.
Alright, just 3 or 4 more times, but then i'm really slowly gonna lose patience.
There's a saying in Tennessee, I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee...
There won't be a 3rd time, however there will be an extended 2nd term.
Think of it as...
Racist Paedo 2:
Electric Boogaloo‼️
This Time No One Is Safe.
But with extra martial law and tyrannical murderous behaviour.
For only 200 pesos you can pick up the Concentration Camp DLC!
Give everything for the rich elite. The rich elite give nothing in return. A tale old as time.
I'd say the rich elite leave a vacuum behind, and that sucks.
Interesting that you managed to quote an alternate universe version of this post where she started having an aneurysm half way through
it's probably OCR (optical character recognition) software messing up again.
There was a link to archival, though, to copy & paste from. 🤔
You gotta start proofreading before posting.
My god Twitter is cancer
Translation:
I am personally being affected by my choices, and no one will help me because I am a terrible, selfish person who chose to ignore everyone telling me to stop, and now they've washed their hands of me and I'm all alone and scared. Waaaaaaaaaaaa 😭
I get all of the comments here. I understand the anger and distain that so many of you are feeling over the current state of things. I share in many of the frustrations and anger.
But it depresses me that Trump won't run for office again. He will be replaced by someone and the entire pool of former Trumpers will see that person and think that they can do all the things they hoped that Trump would do.
Even if Trump exits office without doing any further significant harm, the people who have made these kinds of revelations, like in the OP, will probably still vote for the same party, in spite of it all. Sure, they may never vote for Trump again, but they'll never get the chance to anyways, so who cares?
This was calculated.
Don't be surprised if the next candidate follows the same playbook as Trump, and don't be surprised if the MAGA crowd falls for it again.
The only way forward, to ensure that this kind of damage is stopped, is to rally together in sufficient numbers to ensure that these folks don't get into office any more. The absentee voters need to get out and vote.
I am confident that the numbers would work out if we could get enough people to the voting booth.
I really don't understand how these people manage to dilute themselves into believing he'd be any different to the first time he was in office.
The fact that her username is The Patriotic Blonde really just tells you all you need to know. She's got no personality at all, she has one character trait, and it may not be all that interesting but nonetheless, her entire life revolves around it.
…that the whole thing was probably never a real person posting their actual thoughts to begin with?
Well they believed in the rationale and prescription for what he claimed to achieve so there's a lot of scope there to forgive failure to meet targets because as they see it, there's a mountain of opposition and sabotage standing in the way of making America great again so if what he said we was going to do didn't happen and if the way he said he'd do it didn't work it's not really a challenge to either what Trump claims should be done nor how he should do it, it only highlights to supporters how difficult that task is and how strong their support needs to be.
This kind of thing, one of the duped expressing regret - I think is probably one of the most effective ways of bursting the MAGA bubble and letting at least a tiny bit or reality set in. It doesn't challenge the things the supporters think are wrong with their country nor directly challenge the methods for remedying it, but it would introduce that little kernel of doubt for at least a few people without coming from "libtards" or in some way seeming to criticise the beliefs that led them to their current situation. She'd be dismissed of course; a paid shill no doubt, or a crisis actor or just a traitorous member of the flock who didn't have the faith or conviction necessary, but if this kind of thing shows up a lot and gets loud enough it might stand more of a chance than any critique of MAGA or Trump if there ever was really any hope of such processes having meaningful impact.
That said, even if that worked, it'd do little to address systemic issues that gave rise to MAGA and in any case if the MAGA cultists take this gentle out without need to re-evaluate the thinking that got them there then really it'd just end up being that Trump was only bad for failing to do what he promised not because what he promised was reprehensible and how he planned to do it absurd and illogical so they'll be prime for the picking for the next Trump hydra head to take his place.
The rest was rich, though.
Starting when?
Do they ever own up to their poor judgement flying in the face of all the blatant, nonstop bullshit since before he began?
Children are starving
due to no fault of their ownbecause of me. Senior citizens are going without their medications just so they can afford to eat because of me.votes for republicans again because providing free healthcare and giving free food to school children communism
Calling it the Epstein Shutdown is gold.
She's an absolute mark, truly gullible, likely extremely racist and afraid of everything.
The problem with cases like this is often they still only vote republican because the scariest things to them (gay people, brown people) are always gonna be the scary people.
The best somebody like this will do is not vote. Keep in mind how dumb this person is and the fact she probably has a pile of guns.
You believed this post was real and are slinging the word gullible around?
I had a coworker who was past retirement age and complaining about how trump shorted social security promises in his "big beautiful bill". He still loves trump I guess. Idk he's since been laid off since then so no idea how he feels now but its close enough to this bullshit.
People who love trump are currently upset at him for various reasons but I don't forsee them ever not loving trump.
i feel like this is a strange correlation. one of the smartest people i know is a licensed gunsmith. he has more guns than Jesus Christ (vampire hunter, esq.) and is further left than me.
I'm rather saying "they let people this crazy buy guns" and wouldn't it be nice if folks had to fill out a few more forms to get a gun license or something.
"How could the good Tsar do this!? 😭"
Must be those damn Boyars up to no good again.
Replacing First-past-the-post voting will allow the people to elect a better conservative party then the republican or democrats. It would even end the disenfranchisement of those not represented by the two party system.
Who could possibly be against that? Republicans? Of course! But how about the democratic party? Do they support democracy? If history can help predict rhe future, the answer is "fuck no, fuck you, vote how I want or else".
Feeling free yet?
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First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems
STAR voting
Alternative vote
Ranked Choice voting
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Why are these presented as different systems? The Alternative Vote is just another name for Instant Runoff Voting. And ranked choice voting is a name for a whole class of systems which includes IRV, as well as Single Transferable Vote and some others not linked here, but in practice someone who says "ranked choice voting" usually means IRV, and it's IRV that the video describes.
Well, at least she seems to acknowledge that other people are hurting as well and it’s not the usual „I’m affected and now I see it’s wrong“ spiel. I mean, people have hard times changing but some do.
I mean, it's exactly that or else she would have come to this conclusion much sooner.
That's what jumped out at me too. Shoulda figured it out in 2016, but at least the straw that broke the camel's back was the suffering of others, not the social repercussions she's already endured.
LMAO. Suffer, bitch.
The economy is doing great! -Trump
Is he not doing to the brown people and the gays what she voted for him for, though?
I heard someone say that Trump is the most honest (or the first honest) president and at first it made me mad, but then I realised he is doing exactly what he said he'd do. He went after brown people and he's attacking what he calls "woke" culture (which is really just civil rights). He is also striving to make America great again — for rich white men. He never said he'd make it great again for the working class. Just for guys like him and Epstein and the like.
I kind of doubt that. If nothing else, he definitely implied that all his bullshit policies would improve conditions for white male working class members.
It's a game, you've been played
It's the fox, you're the sheep
It's a pied piper song
That has lulled you to sleep
It's a lie and you fell for it
Hook, line, and sinker
A hand that you shook
That then gave you the Finger
A fraud and a fake
A cowardly king
A LIE to your FACE
But you STILL KISS THE RING
This is the Breakdown!
ThIS is ThE BREAkDOWn!!
tHIS iS the bREAKDOWWWWN!!!
Maybe if I beg the leopard to stop eating my face, it will listen.
A year or two ago I would have felt sorry for her.
Now I have absolutely zero sympathy.
Ain't wrong. But this is bullshit.
Agreed. Too good to be true.
Not a single phonetic-based misspelling? Such lies.
This is the "Turning Point USA" we need.
I would love (well...not really "love") to see the rest of that tweet as I expect them to say something along the lines of "...but I still love you and believe in you and how much you love America yadda yadda"...
I cant even upvote this. I can't amplify cult members who still talk to their cult leader as if he's all-knowing and actually reads their pleas. Trump is an old granpa whose family refuses to accept he needs medical care and supervision. This poor victim praying to him isn't schadenfreude, it's sad.
If the revolution ever comes, they should not be forgiven.
The reason why history closed the chapter of tankies pretty firmly in the 20th century is because it became apparent to people all over the world that the revolution is fueled by hateful, spiteful, and ignorant individuals like you who seek vengeance, destruction, and misery under the guise of dreamy ideals. In other words you and Trump aren't too different in this regard.
I do not seek vengeance, but that does not mean forgiveness.
We must build a better world without their input or consent. we must have a world where everyone is free and have access to a dignified life. But that does not mean to forgive them let alone forget what they did. They should have access to the same lives everyone else have access to, but they will do so without friends, without family, with everyone spiting them. They have proven themselves to be selfish sociopaths, and even if you were to be foolish enough to forgive them, you should not forget that they are selfish and will likely throw you to the wolves if it benefits them.
This is for the average MAGA voter. for those who joined ICE, or were Pundits, or directly involved in the regime. Jail. Do you think we should have pardoned everyone in the Nuremberg trials?
This level of ignorance just proves my original point. The Nuremberg trials are as famous as they are because they intentionally went out of their way to only prosecute specific leaders and individuals who were responsible for Nazi war crimes. The original Nuremberg trial only prosecuted 24 individuals, and the broader series of trials prosecuted less than 200 individuals. Despite all these individuals having some connection to the Nazis, all of them were given fair trails and some of them were even acquitted.
The single biggest takeaway from these trials is that you can't persecute a society. As these trails proved, even among the ranks of the leaders, not all of them were convicted. If you were to go after the common man just for participating in their society then that's not only guilt by association, but it's also collective punishment... which is the very thing that made the Nazis bad in the first place.This is of course, one of the most extreme examples in history, we don't live in a time or society that's as extreme. As vile and damaging as Trump and MAGA are, unironically thinking they're the same as the Nazis is dangerously ignorant.
Even if, for the sake of argument, we become generous and assume the same general premise for them anyway, then these very trials that you cited go against everything you're advocating for. If there were similar trials, you would go after individuals like Trump himself, Kevin Roberts, or JD Vance... you don't go after random people because they supported them at one point or another. Keep in mind, Trump voters aren't a few individuals, they're demographic that consists of tens of millions. These people are society. There's no future where what you're advocating for turns out to be a net positive. What you're wishing for is breeding ground for a revolution, and it's not going to be one you daydream about, it's going to be one led by them for them.
where did I say to punish her? I'm only saying shes not to be trusted, and we shouldn't work with her.
the entitlement, which you share,
"not inviting me unconditionally after I intentionally destroyed the country is a cruel punishment"
yhea,
What the hell are you even talking about? You can't even follow your own statements. It's like you're mentally lost. This is what you originally said:
This clearly an implicit statement of vengeance. You're definitely some sort of Marxist, and you think that when the revolution comes, people like her should be killed or at the very least be punished for the crime of participating in their society.
You could've been honest and owned up to it, but you chose to deny it and follow it up with this weird backpedaling take:
This is still clearly punitive in nature because your primary goal isn't to make things better, but rather to make sure that they pay a price as a punishment. Which again is an act of vengeance.
I could've almost led this slide as some misguided view about not forgetting history or something along those lines, but you chose to add this at the end:
Really? This is the event you wanted to cite here? Not only does this demonstrate your astounding ignorance of these trails, what happened in them, and what the takeaways are, but it also shows that you're seeking a form of collective punishment using guilt by association as the justification... which is precisely the opposite of what these trials hoped to achieve.
Now, once again, you're denying previous statement and giving yet another weird backpedaling take:
Which takes us back to square one you can't seem to comprehend the fact acceptance and vengeance aren't opposites of each other. An actual pragmatic take would be that is simply idiotic to try to collectively punish a huge demographic like this, especially on the grounds of guilt by association, for the crime of them participating in their society within the context of their system. It is better from a strategic point of view to firmly acknowledge their mistakes while being open to cooperating with those who reach the same conclusion. Those who have disavowed their previous beliefs provide a strategic opportunity to create a coalition that gets to advance an agenda ends MAGA fascism and implements better policies faster.
Even if we don't see eye to eye with these people on everything, it's better to recognize that disagreements are a fact of politics and that it's better to utilize this common ground to achieve common goals wherever possible, as opposed to not achieving them at all due to stubbornness. This is an infinitely better option than to seek eternal retribution or hold eternal grudges. Holding this view doesn't mean that you endorse MAGA ideology or that you forget everything that happened, it just means that you're practical in your aims. This view is the ONLY view of people who believe in democracy as a system of governance. Rejection of it for something more rigid, absolute, and violent just means that you're an authoritarian.
TIL not wanting to collaborate with MAGA is oppressing someone.
Yes, but also, there should be a cutoff date. Like, you can't repent once the gears are in motion, the train's going 100 mph, and you see the clear writing on the wall, you know? This is still within those limits. It seems earnest IMO.
said in another comment:
I do not seek vengeance, but that does not mean forgiveness.
We must build a better world without their input or consent. we must have a world where everyone is free and have access to a dignified life. But that does not mean to forgive them let alone forget what they did. They should have access to the same lives everyone else have access to, but they will do so without friends, without family, with everyone spiting them. They have proven themselves to be selfish sociopaths, and even if you were to be foolish enough to forgive them, you should not forget that they are selfish and will likely throw you to the wolves if it benefits them.
This is for the average MAGA voter. for those who joined ICE, or were Pundits, or directly involved in the regime. Jail. Do you think we should have pardoned everyone in the Nuremberg trials?
who could have seen this coming??????
Leopards saw it coming and took out the fine china!
I would have welcomed reformed Trumpers back into polite society prior to the 2024 election. But seriously, to anyone who flips NOW: fuck you. I’m glad you finally woke up or whatever, but fuck you for putting us in this situation.
How do we even know if they are actually reformed and won't go and vote for the next Trump who they believe will be more strategic about who they hurt so the right kind of people are left unaffected?
Expressing disapproval of Trump doesn't mean they disagree with many of the things he is doing, since he has so far been truthful on all the things he said he'd do starting with wanting to be a dictator and Project 2025. Nothing is a surprise.
Only surprise is they thought only illegals and minorities would be affected, and that's still something they want.
Very very true.
Our little victim doesn't even know basic vocabulary. This was not "gaslighting". It was plain old "lying". Simple, easy to spot, as long as you try.
Maybe all of you on Lemmy see this and sigh, but there's a lot of MAGA supporters out there who might need to see this.
They would most likely claim this is dem fake news and/or put the responsibility of her demise on her.
Wait they can recognize when they're being slapped in the face?
the leopards are having a good time with this one. nice!
Does she ever take any responsibility for her own actions?
If she had that basic common sense she would have never been maga
You're probably right. It's only a small step from saying she worked on his campaign to understanding that she had a role in it and therefore some responsibility, but yeah. One small step for normal people, one giant leap for MAGA.
She's a republican voter, so of course not
Yeah, it's a cult. Why would the fucking president of the United States care to personally read your message and change his policy based on that?
Because God does it all the time. Duh.
"I thought I could get through this without using my Critical Thinking Skills because thinking is HARD, but now you forced me to actually use my brain, and I DON'T LIKE IT! I WANT TO BE STUPID!"
I dont think MAGA are human at this point.
You're better than this. Act like it.
Everyone has a breaking point. Amazingly she had enough only after all that. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
These people still have no ability for self reflection. They refuse to see they were bamboozled by a con man, that them loosing all their friends and family should have been the sign they needed to reevaluate, but their "lord and saviour" told them what they wanted to hear and their smiling glad hands just ate it all up like WE were the crazy ones. Yes dear, the stranger on the TV that wants your money has your best interests in mind, not your sister/brother/BFF.
Those damn leopards man.. can't keep em from eating faces.
And she'll magically forget her grievances tomorrow and go back to sucking Trump's unwiped asshole.
Rinse and repeat.
Trumpers often get these brief moments of consciousness and self awareness only for it to magically fade away a moment later. Typical mental cycle for people with severe dementia.
When exactly are children starving through their own fault?
When are adults starving through their own fault?
It's just something to add emphasis, no need to nitpick.
only they can free themselves from the chains they put on themselves.
Patriotic but only to one particular citizen America as a whole can get in the bin that's the real American patriotism
Why would I listen to a dumb bitch?
Such a moronic cunt.
Social media posts mean absolutely nothing.