I'm on the list, does this guy just like, have a little black book of people he hates? Like has this guy been reading all my posts or something? Or did he use a LLM to make it
AFAIK it’s just him reading others’ comments and when he sees ones he dislikes, he says, “>:•( Well, you’re a poopyface, onto the Poopyface List with you!”
I think it only displays Potoooooooo some places (maybe only on .world?), but others still see the original name with which I created the account (ivanafterall).
I honestly don't know how I made it on the list. I mostly just lurk and occasionally post memes about my cats. I'll take it though, it's a badge of honour.
Lemmy.world's mod/admin team has a very well documented history of being heavily biased in the direction of genocidal Zionists, blatant double standards when it comes to things like ICE (illegal state sponsored terrorism) vs non state sponsored terrorism.
And they're just needlessly petty.
Literally Stamets used to be part of that team, discovered the extent of that bullshit personally... an LW mod had a hissy fit over Canadian terminology and government procedure... and decided to start ban hammering people over it.
Stamets is Canadian, the other mod is not... and Stam tried to explain to that mod that they were mistaken, confused.
They instead doubled down, it blew up into a similar popcorn level event... Stamets left LW, and now he is on this stealth block list.
The LW team have no problem being duplicitous and covert in enforcement over their little fiefdoms, and the defense of their own egos.
Again, I implore you to leave.
Also, no, the actual people that run LW? They're liberals, neoliberals. Liberalism is not leftism. Go do some first year Poli Sci reading if you need an explanation, I'm tired.
The person you're talking to operates on a different definition of leftists that explicitly requires them to be anticapitalist. Given how common that phenomenon is, and how we can't ever seem to agree on any other points, I propose a new definition of Leftist:
A leftist is someone who argues about what is and isn't leftist.
The implication of that definition, of course, is that the right wing talking heads calling every form of human decency "communism" are also leftists.
(Actually, do dbzer0 users even see this comment? They defederated us because our admins also failed their purity test. No animosity from my side, for whatever that's worth.)
Let me start by saying this is is just an observation, not directed specifically at you.
But, this is the issue with left vs right politics. It's not that you're not "left enough" it's that you're practically on different planets arguing which way is West. Both of you orient towards north, and then walk to the left, but you're never going to meet up. And that's because you're not even on the same planet. Your foundations for what basic human rights are is fundamentally different.
A capitalist will say "everyone deserves the house they can afford", while a communist will say "everyone deserves a house."
.world from my observation has been very capitalist, and yeah, that tracks considering it's kinda like the "reddit instance" its comfortable for a lot of people. But I personally would never join as a member, for as many issues as .ml and dbzer0 have, I prefer to broaden my viewpoints than to keep seeing the same capitalist viewpoints repeated over and over again.
Wasn’t Piefed adding code to block people from upvoting and downvoting too much? If they’re on Lemmy a lot they might not appreciate that kind of restriction, especially if they post a lot of content.
I haven't seen anything of the sort, personally. A while back the larger Piefed instance was "shadowbanning" instances they don't promote, but instance owners are free to do as they wish.
There is an "upvote quota" but I've personally never hit it so I don't know what happens when you do, I kind of doubt a regular human could unless they made it their full time job.
Here is a LINK to a long list of citations of extremism, imperialism, and promotion of war, genocide, and violence by the head Lemmy developers and owners of Lemmy ML. People who host Lemmy have the moral responsibility to vet every update and remove all links to donate to Lemmy development or they're complicit in these crimes.
Until something irredeemably bad comes out about the Piefed devs, they're infinitely better.
Only a trurly despicable coward could run from our degen queen violet08, the scarlet lady, the night mare, black Madonna, terrifier of decency, our moon empress lillith 🙏
Fortunately, another violet has blossomed... she's got a new account, is currently uh... apparently overwhelmed by the number of South Korean fuckbois she has to choose from.
Hey @[email protected], you're a stupid dingleberry and I don't like your face. Add me to your shadowban list you wretched cat fondler. Those cats don't deserve what you've done to them.
what this looks like is a PieFed shadowban. I find this funny as I'm not even using PieFed. I was shopping around for an android mobile app, but I guess that one is off the table now, eh?
My understanding is that the list is for having political opinions the guy who runs the project doesnt like (or just doing anything that displeases him I guess), moreso than whether you use lemmy or piefed
The project is for a front end, similar to photon, so just a different web interface that an instance maintainer can use as the ui for their lemmy or piefed instance
(Sorry if I'm explaining stuff you already know, I can't tell if I'm dumb and misunderstanding you, or if you misunderstood something about the situation, and finding the dropped thread in online communication is hard so I'm just trying to explain what I know in case it makes it more clear where the breakdown is. Apologies if it comes across as condescending, thats not what I'm going for :)
Hey, I shared this link in another thread so someone could check if they were on the list and then looked up what copyparty is- it looks like its self hosted so if you'd like me to remove the link please lemme know, I don't wanna generate more traffic than you'd like to be getting if that causes problems
Some asshat I've never heard of created a api with a bunch of hidden blacklists of instances and users. I wasn't in it and I'm kinda disappointed like many on lemmy. Seems like being on this dipshits shit lists is a nice place to be.
Hidden is a strong word; it's a file named as such, in plain text, with a GUI button to disable it, and has a bunch of humor throughout. I'm not really sure what the big deal about it is honestly, I think it's hilarious and harmless
Edit: apparently I'm totally wrong and the version I saw was a decade fork, maybe? Not entirely sure but I'm sorry for spreading misinformation
not in plain text, it was base64+gzip encoded at the source url to thwart discovery
very not harmless, hidden political censorship is not harmless
and the dev is forcing it on server admins "users can disable the blocklist (if admins allow it), but there will be no server config option to have "toxic mode" (no blocklist mode) on by default"
Well I woz gonna call me account "DaRedGobbo" but the git wot got dere first ain't even revolushunary enough ta get blocked by the blockiest load of blocks wot ever did block!! Paffetik!
I feel like I’m missing a key piece of information here. Wtf is “tesseract” in this context?
UPDATE: never mind. Other posts were more detailed. Apparently it’s a Lemmy instance/front end? And the owner(s) compiled a huge block list by usernames.
I still don’t know why it matters, what’s so special about tesseract.
It matters because tesseract was/is used by some large instances, so the tesseract dev was secretly censoring content from thousands of users without their knowledge and even without the knowledge of the instance admins. It's a pretty big deal because this means that a lot of people on Lemmy have been getting a highly censored view of the community without realizing it. A lot of those people, probably even most of them, came to Lemmy specifically to get away from that kind of thing. So its really shady, a huge breach of trust, and this single dev has been covertly influencing thousands of people's political exposure.
it was only discovered because lemmy.dbzer0.com (6th biggest instance iirc) hosts tesseract and it itself is one of the blocked instances so nothing worked ("this instance is not compatible") and the admin, db0, did some digging
That's a great summary, and now so many of the posts complaining about how Lemmy didn't feel different than what they had come from suddenly could have been a red flag that no one understood. Maybe not, but sure seems a bit correlated.
Imagine your email program (seamonkey, thunderbird, outlook, etc) decided you shouldn't get to see emails from black people any more. And never ever told you it made that decision.
They went to great lengths to obscure what they did, reporting it as an "error" rather than admitting to a shitlist - and only they got to decide who/what was shitlisted.
It was a covert attempt to control visible content on lemmy. THAT is why everyone is high hella pissed.
If they said they were doing a "normie safe" interface they woulda just rolled on. But they knew they wouldnt get as many users countenancing that shit so they shoved it in without consent.
Man, I don't have any children and I barely even shop at Target, much less work there. I may be guilty of a lot of things but I swear this one wasn't on me.
Tesseract was an alternative frontend instances could host. Despite having configuration options for filtering or the lack thereof, Tesseract would silently both download and enforce a custom filter; this hidden filter could not be overridden by any custom configuration. The hidden filter included regex to block keywords, users, and instances, showing a generic error about anything filtered as being "incompatible with Tesseract".
What you guys aren't going to beg to be removed, because you've "grown up"? I for one will be submitting my "please take me off your moronic list" plea, post-haste.
lol db0 was running it on his own instance and when he updated to the version with the secret blocklist his entire feed was blank, because his instance (dbzer0) was on the blocklist
Dude made a “secret” blocklist that told on itself instantly
A lot of people who know more about what they're talking about have addressed it, there's an admin post on blahaj about it, and the first I ever saw was the dbzer0 post that seems to have triggered the (much deserved) avalanche
People looked at the source code. Presumably because of you tried to post something that's blocked you just got an indescriptive error message, and they were trying to fix the "error" themselves
I always considered myself centrist, which by today's standards makes me a radical leftist. At some point the Overton Window flew past me and is now a far off speck in the distance. I'm surprised I was included to be honest. I often post things that have nuance, which always seems to piss actual radical leftists.
https://github.com/asimons04/Tesseract - so it's gone? This is so weird. Was the dev building this as his personal UI or something and just decided to put his blocklist in the code? Because if not what was he expecting? It was obvious people will find out and just stop using it. Not a specific group of users will stop using it but everyone. So what's the point?
Edit: So this project was abandoned about a year ago. Looks like the creator had some issues. Why are people still using dead project? How was it discovered just now?
So he came back? Apparently that was the message he posted a year ago:
This project has been discontinued and the repo archived. I am done with Lemmy, the Fediverse as a whole, and have no desire to continue developing for the platform or (especially) the demographic thereof.
So many red flags. People really need to check what they are hosting.
It seems as though codeberg and github were deleted or made private and their website is just a "go away" webp now so I can't search through the blocklist
It worked for me just a few minutes ago, so it's not gone yet.
I also don't know how to do this on iOS/ipadOS, if it's even possible, but of macOS's terminal is anything like linux, the command should still work.
Edit:
Tried in termux and the
gunzip > policy.json
part was giving me an error I didn't even wanna bother trying to troubleshoot because I'm on a phone and don't wanna have to set up screen sharing on my desktop just to fix something inconsequential to me.
I also was dumb and got trapped accidentally by going into nano. Cannot figure out how to get out of it on mobile...
I'm always apolitical because when I try to be political, I sound like a douche and I value my kindness towards others more than I care about popular political topics.
Actually the last thing I argued about was a conservative talking point. But I do it for the sport, not for all seriousness. I just like debating things. But I get myself in trouble sometimes because I will look up all the talking points for my case and win and sound like a douche. So, I try to stay apolitical for awhile, not commenting on politics, because it feels mean. And usually IRL I am a kind person. But online I am a goblin of sorts. We are different than trolls, we debate, we don't argue or joke around. We dabble in the art of rhetoric. It's like some women who call themselves eclectic witches, never adhering to a religion but still practicing witchcraft only instead of witchcraft, it's debate. I will pick the opposite angle just for the love of the game.
I definitely have morals, but I hide them. I hate forming strong opinions because I have schizoeffective and become indecisive. So I try to remain as unbiased as humanly possible. Opinions pollute. Questions aspire.
Why do you think it's permissible to overlook intentional suffering of others to create a more cohesive cultural fabric?
A question about why you wouldn't have an opinion on a pretty clear moral issue. Unless of course you think it's permissible to which I would argue again: immoral or amoral.
I mentioned I have morals, I just hide them because I hate negative attention and arguing. When I go on Reddit or Lemmy, I am in relaxation mode. I think I mentioned I used to just debate for the fun of it. It got me in trouble making just one person mad, makes me feel bad. So, I like to keep myself open minded and I can see perspectives of other people. Many political issues don't directly affect me, so it is easy to switch sides, not for convenience, but because I am very open minded. I may have misworded some things iny previous comment. So I will recant, I have political views, morals and the like but they change a lot with new information and others' strong opinions. I see both sides of the coin and have trouble making a strong opinion on either side. Again this is because a symptom of schizoeffective is indecisiveness. If is partially my personality and partially my diagnosis. I mean no discourse.
Edit: who exactly is suffering and why am I to blame?
The people suffering are undefined but generally outgroups in society as those are the ones that have been historically vilified to pull a group together. See: Jews vs Nazis, Immigrants vs Republicans, Indigenous peoples vs Colonists, Robber Barons vs Settlers as a couple classic examples with their own unique circumstances.
If you don't care until it affects you directly, again I would call that amoral.
If you switch sides on moral issues like that, you are amoral.
If 11 people are sitting at a table making pleasant conversation with a nazi, there are 12 nazis at the table. I hope you don't take it that far, but like... Yeah
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🤘😆 I made it on the list!
I don't think I've had any dealings with him, but I am on the list
From what I gather, I should feel pretty pleased with that
I'm on the list, does this guy just like, have a little black book of people he hates? Like has this guy been reading all my posts or something? Or did he use a LLM to make it
AFAIK it’s just him reading others’ comments and when he sees ones he dislikes, he says, “>:•( Well, you’re a poopyface, onto the Poopyface List with you!”
🥺👉👈
I'm on the list!
I'm a literal nobody... Man, I'm so proud right now.. 😁
Oh, hell yeah:
Hmm, you're potatoo though
I think it only displays Potoooooooo some places (maybe only on .world?), but others still see the original name with which I created the account (ivanafterall).
Depends on client. Voyager always shows account name
Nice list, also gettin auto updated from source of tesseract :D https://github.com/scriptzteam/tesserFuCk
Please Tesserack, I'm a socialist too
This account doesn’t seem to be on the list, but I’m fairly sure an alt might be. So… hooray, maybe.
I honestly don't know how I made it on the list. I mostly just lurk and occasionally post memes about my cats. I'll take it though, it's a badge of honour.
The developer must have lost an Alara prerelease to your namesake
What's even left on lemmy if you block everything left leaning? Might as well not come to this place
There will be no one left
HA!
Idk that sounds all right.
That's the plan!
Well, lemmy.world is what remains.
...may I strongly encourage you to join a different instance?
Firstly, I was talking on their behalf.
Secondly even lemmy.world is kinda left leaning
"it's not left unless it's strictly my definition of left"
Lemmy.world's mod/admin team has a very well documented history of being heavily biased in the direction of genocidal Zionists, blatant double standards when it comes to things like ICE (illegal state sponsored terrorism) vs non state sponsored terrorism.
And they're just needlessly petty.
Literally Stamets used to be part of that team, discovered the extent of that bullshit personally... an LW mod had a hissy fit over Canadian terminology and government procedure... and decided to start ban hammering people over it.
Stamets is Canadian, the other mod is not... and Stam tried to explain to that mod that they were mistaken, confused.
They instead doubled down, it blew up into a similar popcorn level event... Stamets left LW, and now he is on this stealth block list.
The LW team have no problem being duplicitous and covert in enforcement over their little fiefdoms, and the defense of their own egos.
Again, I implore you to leave.
Also, no, the actual people that run LW? They're liberals, neoliberals. Liberalism is not leftism. Go do some first year Poli Sci reading if you need an explanation, I'm tired.
I think OP understands there is space to the left of US democrats, and the discourse tends to be “Kinda left” by commonly understood definition.
Also some of us enjoy a lot of non-political content, and World is fine for that.
I don't. I don't think they know that.
I don't think you do either.
Leftism can be cleanly seperated from Liberalism in this way:
Leftists want to abolish capitalism, change it so much that it's not capitalism any more.
Liberals think capitalism is... a good person, but just, misunderstood.
Also, if I just told you that the LW admin/mod team is... consistently defending genociders, and state sponsored terrorism?
And you say... well I am apolitical, so that's fine?
You are not apolitical, you are in fact explcitly fine with those horrible things, you are saying they don't bother you that much.
... there are plenty of non political communities and discussion on... all of the banned instances, many others too.
But no, no, you're fine with the genocide supporting one.
Ok then.
Thats an incredibly American summary for a global platform
not all leftists oppose capitalism tho
many further left ones (such as myself) do, but some milder leftists dont (many socialists and center-leftists)
Am confused. doesnt the left start at anti-capitalism?
The person you're talking to operates on a different definition of leftists that explicitly requires them to be anticapitalist. Given how common that phenomenon is, and how we can't ever seem to agree on any other points, I propose a new definition of Leftist:
A leftist is someone who argues about what is and isn't leftist.
The implication of that definition, of course, is that the right wing talking heads calling every form of human decency "communism" are also leftists.
(Actually, do dbzer0 users even see this comment? They defederated us because our admins also failed their purity test. No animosity from my side, for whatever that's worth.)
Let me start by saying this is is just an observation, not directed specifically at you.
But, this is the issue with left vs right politics. It's not that you're not "left enough" it's that you're practically on different planets arguing which way is West. Both of you orient towards north, and then walk to the left, but you're never going to meet up. And that's because you're not even on the same planet. Your foundations for what basic human rights are is fundamentally different.
A capitalist will say "everyone deserves the house they can afford", while a communist will say "everyone deserves a house."
.world from my observation has been very capitalist, and yeah, that tracks considering it's kinda like the "reddit instance" its comfortable for a lot of people. But I personally would never join as a member, for as many issues as .ml and dbzer0 have, I prefer to broaden my viewpoints than to keep seeing the same capitalist viewpoints repeated over and over again.
lemmy.world is more left than the Tankie Triad but it's still funding them so I say leave the entirety of Lemmy behind and go piefed.
Wasn’t Piefed adding code to block people from upvoting and downvoting too much? If they’re on Lemmy a lot they might not appreciate that kind of restriction, especially if they post a lot of content.
I haven't seen anything of the sort, personally. A while back the larger Piefed instance was "shadowbanning" instances they don't promote, but instance owners are free to do as they wish.
There is an "upvote quota" but I've personally never hit it so I don't know what happens when you do, I kind of doubt a regular human could unless they made it their full time job.
piefed.social
PugJesus talks about it, before signing off for good.
Yeah he's talking about the upvote quota. Everybody gets one, visible on the profile, resets daily.
Piefed doesn't look that better tbh
Here is a LINK to a long list of citations of extremism, imperialism, and promotion of war, genocide, and violence by the head Lemmy developers and owners of Lemmy ML. People who host Lemmy have the moral responsibility to vet every update and remove all links to donate to Lemmy development or they're complicit in these crimes.
Until something irredeemably bad comes out about the Piefed devs, they're infinitely better.
Gotta look in mbin i guess...neither lemmy or piefed devs seem to be good people tbh
Tankies would be there, but actually Tankies maintain lemmy to begin with.. That's why I use piefed.
Also yuri.
They specifically blocked Wholsome Yuri.
And violet08.
Because I guess sexcapades are a bannable offense?
Yeah those are two oddballs that I've noticed so far.
Only a trurly despicable coward could run from our degen queen violet08, the scarlet lady, the night mare, black Madonna, terrifier of decency, our moon empress lillith 🙏
lmao, they blocked violet 😭😭
What? Why Yuri?
And … all the Violets?
Fortunately, another violet has blossomed... she's got a new account, is currently uh... apparently overwhelmed by the number of South Korean fuckbois she has to choose from.
Lol, extremely apropos, on point meme, haha!
Seems (the new) did_you_find_violets is explicitly blocked. But yes, might not bother her that much right now
I mean really, it does kinda help to put this all into perspective.
This nonsense is all going on...
Violet likely has no idea, does not care, is memeing about herself as a lamb about to be devoured by wolves.
There will always be more ...
Who blocks the purest form of love?
I really don't know.
Like... I'm not really even into Yuri... just too sappy for me 95% of the time...
...but yeah, I got nothing, no clue why that would need to be secretley banned, unless you just hate the idea of goobers in love.
Still malding about losing the space race.
There's just some weird stuff on that list. What'd Girls' Frontline do to this man-child? 😅
¯\(ツ)/¯🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢
Can I be in it too? 🥺👉👈
Your wish is granted. ❤️🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
I am not on the list.
That’s censorship.
This is an outrage!
Yeah fucking loosers 😣
I'm not in the list either, this is bullshit.
Congratulations buddy! 🥳
Time to claim the db1 username
I wonder why he’s forward and backward matching regex for some, but not others
Seems so disordered
And sometimes using the "end-of-string-token"
$, sometimes not. TF they doing over there?Using an LLM I'd wager.
Don't get me started on the indentions.
They want to catch anyone associated with the anarchist
db0(Divide by Zero) instance: lemmy.dbzer0.comOh it’s way more than just that.
ai
I’m on the list? That’s so fucking funny I’m just some random user. Amazing
First time I've seen copyparty in the wild!!!
I need to step up my game.
How do i find this knowledge! I need a list of people to follow lol
https://copyparty.adrian.place/u/?doc=policy.json
you can ctrl+f and type in your username to see if you qualify.
Devastating 😭
We gotta step it up I guess
Clearly 😭
Hey @[email protected], you're a stupid dingleberry and I don't like your face. Add me to your shadowban list you wretched cat fondler. Those cats don't deserve what you've done to them.
Think that'd do it?
That's a banger
Thank you, I appreciate it 😌
If it doesn't he's a big dope, and a boil on the left testicle of the Internet. Those cats ought to piss on his bed.
You need to tell them they're a turd too. Sprinkle in some "perchance" 's while you're at it.
Perchance..?
You mean man who tried to stick rubber fist up ma anus is teseract developer?
That he only fondles wretched cats, that's kinda based.
what this looks like is a PieFed shadowban. I find this funny as I'm not even using PieFed. I was shopping around for an android mobile app, but I guess that one is off the table now, eh?
I'm not sure I follow what you mean. I was joking that I'm sad because I'm not on the list, could you help me follow what you're saying?
Just adding context. I am on the list, but I don't use PieFed? so like, ok?
My understanding is that the list is for having political opinions the guy who runs the project doesnt like (or just doing anything that displeases him I guess), moreso than whether you use lemmy or piefed
The project is for a front end, similar to photon, so just a different web interface that an instance maintainer can use as the ui for their lemmy or piefed instance
(Sorry if I'm explaining stuff you already know, I can't tell if I'm dumb and misunderstanding you, or if you misunderstood something about the situation, and finding the dropped thread in online communication is hard so I'm just trying to explain what I know in case it makes it more clear where the breakdown is. Apologies if it comes across as condescending, thats not what I'm going for :)
They are filtering the entire dbzer0 domain and I still made the list.
Yes! Get in! I'm on it! I'm one of the cool kids!
Even I'm on there lmao.
Damn, I gotta try harder, didn't make the woke cut.
Hey, I shared this link in another thread so someone could check if they were on the list and then looked up what copyparty is- it looks like its self hosted so if you'd like me to remove the link please lemme know, I don't wanna generate more traffic than you'd like to be getting if that causes problems
just trying to help people cross check. I get the vibe though. If someone could mirror it, that would be useful.
Could just post it in a fresh github repo.
This is the closest I've ever been to someone famous!
I'm there! 💪
Out of the loop, what is Tesseract?
EDIT: Apparently its a UI for Lemmy that decided to start hiding leftist posts secretly because the dev is a lib
They hid overwhelmingly left wing, Queer, trans, pornographic...this aint a lib it's little bitch fash
Hiding leftist posts? What else is left?
ist
Beans
And Linux memes.
Alternative lemmy interface.
What is going to be blocked, where is this thing running? Does it need to be installed on your instance
Nooo i am not on there 💔
But at least i discovered that we axolotls have a queen
She doesn't even have any interaction on lemmy tho
I've made less than 50 comments on Lemmy and none were very popular and yet I made the list? Maybe some kinda keyword thing. Strange.
Yep, there are keywords. Perchance did you say "perchance"? Or "turd"?
turd 🤣 the turd thing is do funny. noone says that anymore, we should bring it back
Sure, whatever turd. Ydy.
^/j^
You can’t just say “perchance”
I've made over 7000, some with hundreds of votes, and I didn't make the list. This is bullshit
Yeah the list to me seems arbitrary enough that it seems like this idiot largely used ai to make it
Would explain how I'm somehow not on it.
EDIT: I think the list doesn't apply to any piefed content?
I'm on the regex list, presumably because I switched from Lemmy.world to piefed.world a year ago
You lucky bastard!
At least I did something right. Was kinda surprised to find myself on it.
Im out of the loop. What's tesseract?
https://lemmy.world/post/49778547
Some asshat I've never heard of created a api with a bunch of hidden blacklists of instances and users. I wasn't in it and I'm kinda disappointed like many on lemmy. Seems like being on this dipshits shit lists is a nice place to be.
Jesus christ, even in a decentralized space people are trying to censor things for others without their knowledge.
In a place where most users showed from reddit, because we were sick of censorship no less.
This is egregious. A total breach of trust for new users.
An instance ban or mod action is one thing but hitting the API is just evil.
Hidden is a strong word; it's a file named as such, in plain text, with a GUI button to disable it, and has a bunch of humor throughout. I'm not really sure what the big deal about it is honestly, I think it's hilarious and harmless
Edit: apparently I'm totally wrong and the version I saw was a decade fork, maybe? Not entirely sure but I'm sorry for spreading misinformation
not in plain text, it was base64+gzip encoded at the source url to thwart discovery
very not harmless, hidden political censorship is not harmless
and the dev is forcing it on server admins "users can disable the blocklist (if admins allow it), but there will be no server config option to have "toxic mode" (no blocklist mode) on by default"
Yay?
It was all your moth posts that got you on The List
They should have known it was a risk. The moth checks out.
... looks like Admiral Patrick needs to be shown the light.
HAHA scrubs, I'm in the Top 100
Sad I didn't make to the list. I guess I got to up my "Perchance" and "Turd" game
Perchance
Don't forget to quote Kant
Well I woz gonna call me account "DaRedGobbo" but the git wot got dere first ain't even revolushunary enough ta get blocked by the blockiest load of blocks wot ever did block!! Paffetik!
He gots dere first becuz da red wuns iz fasta.
Is…. Is that English?
It’s the most English thing I’ve ever seen.
Oi, 'umie ov'r 'ere wut got a pro'lem wiv ork werds
Oomies is only good for two fings: dyin', and leavin' us all dere stuff!
Fank, Mork an Gork fer dat
It's Orkish
And here I guess I am just too milquetoast to make the cut. My takes are too tepid, my edge too dulled. Am I even trying?
I dont think i am on the block list... I am genuinely upset
You are! (if I'm reading my regex correctly)
that regex annoys me more than it reasonably should
(o|O){2}
Oh good! I did see that but I wasn't sure if it was actually me! I appreciate you confirming!
It's completely normal for them to be lopsided. I know some people a self-concious about that, but don't worry.
You mean they arent supposed to smash into eachother when I walk???
Sounds like you need a better bra :p
Maybe we should build a haveIBeenBlocked
Ok so now I'm "right of Reagan" apparently. Great.
I hope my partner doesn't find out...
Don't feel too bad, this is how I found out I'm no longer queer, left of Reagan OR a bottom 😭
our entire instance is banned, so we technically made the cut
Talk about a consolation prize...
You may have just been lucky enough to avoid .ml or .world, or just a blahaj user
I'm so proud...
ONE OF US
I feel like I’m missing a key piece of information here. Wtf is “tesseract” in this context?
UPDATE: never mind. Other posts were more detailed. Apparently it’s a Lemmy instance/front end? And the owner(s) compiled a huge block list by usernames.
I still don’t know why it matters, what’s so special about tesseract.
It matters because tesseract was/is used by some large instances, so the tesseract dev was secretly censoring content from thousands of users without their knowledge and even without the knowledge of the instance admins. It's a pretty big deal because this means that a lot of people on Lemmy have been getting a highly censored view of the community without realizing it. A lot of those people, probably even most of them, came to Lemmy specifically to get away from that kind of thing. So its really shady, a huge breach of trust, and this single dev has been covertly influencing thousands of people's political exposure.
it was only discovered because lemmy.dbzer0.com (6th biggest instance iirc) hosts tesseract and it itself is one of the blocked instances so nothing worked ("this instance is not compatible") and the admin, db0, did some digging
That's a great summary, and now so many of the posts complaining about how Lemmy didn't feel different than what they had come from suddenly could have been a red flag that no one understood. Maybe not, but sure seems a bit correlated.
I see. That’s good to know. Thank you.
A web frontend for lemmy that silently included a blacklist that blocked users for just about everything the dev didn't like.
https://lemmy.world/post/49778353
Imagine your email program (seamonkey, thunderbird, outlook, etc) decided you shouldn't get to see emails from black people any more. And never ever told you it made that decision.
They went to great lengths to obscure what they did, reporting it as an "error" rather than admitting to a shitlist - and only they got to decide who/what was shitlisted.
It was a covert attempt to control visible content on lemmy. THAT is why everyone is high hella pissed.
If they said they were doing a "normie safe" interface they woulda just rolled on. But they knew they wouldnt get as many users countenancing that shit so they shoved it in without consent.
You'll have my sword!
ONE OF US
How do you find the list?
Here ya go!
Someone archived it for us
Yaaay, I'm on the list!
My old accounts from ex-instances are on there too, neat.
ONE OF US
Oh neat, I made the list.
I didn't make the list, but they seemingly wrote code exclusively to interfere with one of the communities I moderate. I couldn't believe my eyes.
How does one end up on the list...asking for a friend.
You had to be cool enough when the time mattered, square.
I'll never get to sit at the cool kids' table at lunch! 😭
I'm a queer leftist and I didn't make the list 😢
Should've just said "perchance" more.
and "🥺👉👈"
🥺 - 𝒫𝑒𝓇𝒸𝒽𝒶𝓃𝒸𝑒?
👉👈
I wanna be on the list!
Unfortunately, all my lemmy accounts are not on the list, although, I do make a conscious effort to not engage with political issue here.
I feel I should be on this list. I don't like that I'm not.
Dbzero says My instance is full of fake leftists, but Tesseract says we're dangerous anarchists. I don't know who to believe anymore!
I love how people are so into generalizing about instances.
Of course a .worlder would say that /s
So typical of a
captian*account.Obviously you're all part of a chaos cult.
O dam based!
Ngl DB0 seems pretty fake, to me. They've been caught hosting both tankies and white supremacists in the past.
Tessaract?
It's a frontend client for Lemmy
Maybe that's how I've dodged it, since it's only constrained to lemmy infighting?
Tesseract like you dont even know 'er
I am not on there, and now feel left out :(
Me neither :( We should make our own banlist, with blackjack and hookers.
Can I join? I’m also not on the ban list.
Dragon taking notes on her observations of the comment section 📜✍️🐲 "This explains nothing but screw context!"
I’m neither left nor queer, why am I on there?
Maybe you said one of the naughty words on the list like "turd" or "communist" or "conservative".
*...Or "perchance".
Well I certainly can't deny that I've ruffled some feathers in the past but I mean, that's what Lemmy's moderation system is for, right?
No, silly.
The moderation system is for them to abuse, and you to obey, duh!
... jfc goddamnit.
Maybe?
I solemnly swear that I had nothing to do with that, so help me God.
Were you the father or the father?
Man, I don't have any children and I barely even shop at Target, much less work there. I may be guilty of a lot of things but I swear this one wasn't on me.
Implying Lord Cheezus has Scottish origins?
Perhaps my PFP is considered blasphemous, IDK
A physician serving macaroni? My word, how are you even allowed online?!
Can someone gind me a tl;dr and/or ELI5? I don't even know what this "Tesseract" thing is in any context beyond the Marvel movies.
Tesseract was an alternative frontend instances could host. Despite having configuration options for filtering or the lack thereof, Tesseract would silently both download and enforce a custom filter; this hidden filter could not be overridden by any custom configuration. The hidden filter included regex to block keywords, users, and instances, showing a generic error about anything filtered as being "incompatible with Tesseract".
I too can string random words together in a way that makes no sense. Watch:
See?
Dude. No. Don't ask for help and then pull that shit.
The words make sense.
If you don't understand them, try looking them up.
Software is complicated and technical. You not being able to understand the words used in the field does not make them nonsensical.
The frontend is the portion of a webserver you see. It's the website after the server has done processing everything it needs to in the background.
Instances in this case means a webserver which is apart of the fediverse, more specifically one that uses the lemmy API in this case.
So tldr, a lemmy server could use tesseract in its code to have a prettier website displayed for users.
You know you can just define individual words to figure out what things mean, right? Like so:
I can explain. He forgot to mention the quantum carburator and how it connects to the micronuclear transcoder
Ooooh! I get it
and the chromatic attenuating quasi-filter
Damn I didnt make it :(
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
Same, I'm not on the list either 😔
I made it to the let's eat the rich list! Never been so proud
I knew about the instance blocklist, but there was a user one aswell?
Yeah, it's in the same file.
could somebody please enlighten an unaware?
https://thelemmy.club/post/53113980 and https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/72685299
ah it's about a frontend. thank you. for me tesseract is an ocr toolbox ;)
its also a libre fps game apparently
But I only found two pawb.social floofs (by name)
Unfortunate, furries basically own the "🥺👉👈" emoji sequence and are almost entirely some flavor of LGBT+
Sad to see I'm not on it.
But that got me thinking. Those of us who aren't on the list have at least one shot of posting something all will see, right? Could we utilize that? 😁
Yeah who's the motherfucker to "upset" to get on the list?
What you guys aren't going to beg to be removed, because you've "grown up"? I for one will be submitting my "please take me off your moronic list" plea, post-haste.
Tesseract?
A Lemmy web UI that was fairly popular, turns out it had hardcoded lists to block users and instances the developer didn't like
How did it get found out
lol db0 was running it on his own instance and when he updated to the version with the secret blocklist his entire feed was blank, because his instance (dbzer0) was on the blocklist
Dude made a “secret” blocklist that told on itself instantly
Not the sharpest lightbulb, is he? 🤣
A lot of people who know more about what they're talking about have addressed it, there's an admin post on blahaj about it, and the first I ever saw was the dbzer0 post that seems to have triggered the (much deserved) avalanche
People looked at the source code. Presumably because of you tried to post something that's blocked you just got an indescriptive error message, and they were trying to fix the "error" themselves
It's a client/frontend for Lemmy.
I'm honestly pretty sad I didn't make the list.
I always considered myself centrist, which by today's standards makes me a radical leftist. At some point the Overton Window flew past me and is now a far off speck in the distance. I'm surprised I was included to be honest. I often post things that have nuance, which always seems to piss actual radical leftists.
Based on your post history, I can only assume the maintainers of Tesseract are vampires.
no i feel like i'm just not trying hard enough :(
Wait, it's gone?! How can I check if I got invited now?! I picked the wrong week to be away from a pc, I guess.
What does it mean if I'm on the userRegexes list but not the users list?
That they assume you have alt accounts on other servers so made a regex to catch them.
https://github.com/asimons04/Tesseract - so it's gone? This is so weird. Was the dev building this as his personal UI or something and just decided to put his blocklist in the code? Because if not what was he expecting? It was obvious people will find out and just stop using it. Not a specific group of users will stop using it but everyone. So what's the point?
Edit: So this project was abandoned about a year ago. Looks like the creator had some issues. Why are people still using dead project? How was it discovered just now?
It was last updated 2 weeks ago, dev deleted project within last 24 hours due to this backlash.
There are posts saying it was discontinued a year ago: https://jlai.lu/post/22505617
So he came back? Apparently that was the message he posted a year ago:
So many red flags. People really need to check what they are hosting.
From what I understand @[email protected]/@[email protected] does the whole 'I'm quitting forever' thing every so often.
It was forked yesterday by db0 (to strip the censorship) here and you can see the commits made by the original dev 2 weeks ago.
Haha! What a little bitch
It seems as though codeberg and github were deleted or made private and their website is just a "go away" webp now so I can't search through the blocklist
IDK how to do it on windows, but this command should work if you have either linux or android with termux available:
It worked for me just a few minutes ago, so it's not gone yet.
I also don't know how to do this on iOS/ipadOS, if it's even possible, but of macOS's terminal is anything like linux, the command should still work.
Edit:
Tried in termux and the
part was giving me an error I didn't even wanna bother trying to troubleshoot because I'm on a phone and don't wanna have to set up screen sharing on my desktop just to fix something inconsequential to me.
I also was dumb and got trapped accidentally by going into nano. Cannot figure out how to get out of it on mobile...
Used to be people used nano because they couldn’t get out of vi.
Can't handle that rabid cuno shit
agrees in virulent, nonsensical expletives and slurs
I guess I'm not left enough to be on this list, since I'm a cishet man. Oh well. Maybe one day. 🤷♂️
What is Tesseract?
Alternative lemmy interface.
My sh.itjust.works account from before I switched to piefed is on the list, but my current account isn't. Curious.
I didn't make it :(
"Perchance" you need to say "turd" more often.
🥺?👉👈
How do I search it for myself?
Looks like you didn't get added to the invite list ☹️, try harder and maybe next time they'll let you in
https://rseragon.github.io/posts/cat-abuse/
I may remember that one of these days....
I'm always apolitical because when I try to be political, I sound like a douche and I value my kindness towards others more than I care about popular political topics.
I was born “political” and never given a choice. So I gave up and embraced it.
is the phone actively in hand a requirement for me to continue to be white
Yes, so is the super tight collared shirt and receding hairline
Awesome meme, can I post this on a meme comm?
It’s an oldie but goodie. Memes are for the people. Please share.
Cis straight white guys claiming to be apolitical is Octopus appropriation! Octopuses are way less political than humans!
Well, this explains a lot.
What a woke-ass liberal thing to say.
Can't tell if that is a joke or what
99%
Also unironically named mustard gas wtf
Actually the last thing I argued about was a conservative talking point. But I do it for the sport, not for all seriousness. I just like debating things. But I get myself in trouble sometimes because I will look up all the talking points for my case and win and sound like a douche. So, I try to stay apolitical for awhile, not commenting on politics, because it feels mean. And usually IRL I am a kind person. But online I am a goblin of sorts. We are different than trolls, we debate, we don't argue or joke around. We dabble in the art of rhetoric. It's like some women who call themselves eclectic witches, never adhering to a religion but still practicing witchcraft only instead of witchcraft, it's debate. I will pick the opposite angle just for the love of the game.
Lotta people claim to be apolitical these days. If you're US based, I would argue amoral fits better.
apolitical, really means they are conservatives that dont want to be called out.
I definitely have morals, but I hide them. I hate forming strong opinions because I have schizoeffective and become indecisive. So I try to remain as unbiased as humanly possible. Opinions pollute. Questions aspire.
Why do you think it's permissible to overlook intentional suffering of others to create a more cohesive cultural fabric?
A question about why you wouldn't have an opinion on a pretty clear moral issue. Unless of course you think it's permissible to which I would argue again: immoral or amoral.
I mentioned I have morals, I just hide them because I hate negative attention and arguing. When I go on Reddit or Lemmy, I am in relaxation mode. I think I mentioned I used to just debate for the fun of it. It got me in trouble making just one person mad, makes me feel bad. So, I like to keep myself open minded and I can see perspectives of other people. Many political issues don't directly affect me, so it is easy to switch sides, not for convenience, but because I am very open minded. I may have misworded some things iny previous comment. So I will recant, I have political views, morals and the like but they change a lot with new information and others' strong opinions. I see both sides of the coin and have trouble making a strong opinion on either side. Again this is because a symptom of schizoeffective is indecisiveness. If is partially my personality and partially my diagnosis. I mean no discourse.
Edit: who exactly is suffering and why am I to blame?
Where did I blame you?
The people suffering are undefined but generally outgroups in society as those are the ones that have been historically vilified to pull a group together. See: Jews vs Nazis, Immigrants vs Republicans, Indigenous peoples vs Colonists, Robber Barons vs Settlers as a couple classic examples with their own unique circumstances. If you don't care until it affects you directly, again I would call that amoral.
If you switch sides on moral issues like that, you are amoral. If 11 people are sitting at a table making pleasant conversation with a nazi, there are 12 nazis at the table. I hope you don't take it that far, but like... Yeah
Old.reddit still works with a login
Which point is that? Sounding like a douche, or not caring about political topics?
A person who has no enemies, has no values they're willing to fight for.
Being a professional people pleaser is a fantastic way to get yourself abused, and eventually, get peer pressured into abusing others.
What a lame way to be. Just say you're too scared of being called on your conservative ideas