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newcommunities·New Communitiesbycinoreus

A community to discuss about sortition, a type of governance where officials are chosen by lottery.

Hey, so I've created a community to discuss and talk about sortition, a type of governance where leaders and officials are chosen at random. This was practiced by ancient Athens, and is considered to be much better at representation than normal democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition

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Sortition·Sortition bycinoreus

Would the sortition community practice what it preaches?

Yes. Most probably.

I need to code a super mod that'll handle the process of sortition. Once I get enough applicants, I'll deploy the bot. I haven't coded the bot yet, but I'm giving myself 2 weeks, post which I'll start the cycle.

Tentatively, 14th of next month is when this com will get new mods. And application process would tentatively start around the start of September.

The bot would run on service that'll have my credentials, I'll need to figure how that'll work and how to include that in sortition process without compromising it. Any suggestions on that are welcome.

Till then, I'm the mod of the subreddit.

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asklemmy·Ask Lemmybycinoreus

Does 'deep thoughts' or 'talking deep' mean anything at all?

I mean, I've wanted to talk deep with people, but I realised what I considered talking deep feels stupid talk when you're not in the zone.

Like, people say they wanna talk about space and stuff, but there's scientists already doing that, and in a more meaningful way.

Like, I can't understand what I even want at this point. That feel of talking deep with someone, but when I actually think of talking about it, it sounds like I was high. Like what kinda deep talk can a average guy like me can even have?

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goodoffmychest·Off My Chestbycinoreus

Democracies are dysfunctional without wealth equality.

And it wasn't just something we realised lately. Even Athen democracy rejected the idea of elections, mainly because rich can just back the candidate they like.

Like every political cycle, huge sums of donation are made by the rich to political parties. I am not just saying America here, it's everywhere. In plenty of parts of the world, majority donations are made by a few, not the masses, and that's kinda the thing, most people don't have enough cash on hand to even support political parties.

Plenty of people across the world still think of donating money to political parties as some vanity expense, while your donation is very much tied to how favorably the party will treat you. Yes there's voting, but money is equally important to them, if not more, for the political campaigns. Yeah the system sucks, but it sucks much much more when millions of people don't even have the money to donate in politics, thus reducing their voice compared to those who spend money here.

Yeah it's cynical but that does happen. People just don't need a living income. To get a decent voice , you need money for political expenses, and you only get that money when you have decent savings for more important stuff like health emergencies and retirement investment.

Yes, votes matter too. It's not that people without money are totally fucked, but their voice isn't as strong as those who donate money.

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fediverse·Fediversebycinoreus

What would be your opinion on a lemmy/piefed instance that's run like Athen democracy?

Experimental thought, but something I want to do in near future.

Basically admins and mods are selected sortitionally( randomly) from people who apply.

All admins and mods have fixed term limits.

Existence of Mod or Admin trials where a public chat(court) decides consequences for their actions, if they misbehave, could lead to

Ever since I learnt about the sortition system, I was incredibly curious how it would work irl, hence this idea.

Look, I am not going to claim this is a solution to anything, till ones actually up and running I think it's hard to say which direction it will go. But still, I want your opinion on it.

On How to encourage people to mod a community?

By making mod duty easy for them, have small term limits, and in those term limits they only have to work for 4/3 days a week. Term could be just few weeks. Also get lot more mods and give them specific time slots beyond which they are vastly not needed unless an emergency.

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asklemmy·Asklemmybycinoreus

Do you think people misunderstand what socialist democracies look like?

Sorry I didn't know which other community to post this on😅. So let me take example of my country, Well so what most people don't know, is that India is a socialist democracy by the constitution, and I must admit before I start that yes, there's plenty of problems with this country, but I was surprised by how deep socialist roots go in this country, so I thought a few of India's policies would make an excellent case study.

Firstly, a subtle one, existence of MRP, maximum retail price, on everything you buy. Packet of lays, coke, medicine, everything has an MRP, over which you cannot sell the product for. Enforcement had been weak historically, but even then you would only see people selling above MRP in amusement parks or movie theatres, for everyday shopping, you are almost always likely to pay the MRP price. I was surprised to know that such law doesn't exist in the west, though feel free to correct me.

Second, India's medicine patent laws. India has strict 'non evergreening' laws, which means a patent of a medicine cannot be extended unless you made the medicine better. Also government can give orders to bypass medicine patents if deemed necessary.

Third the farming in India. A nice rabbithole to dig in, but I am picking one example, Amul, the most popular brand of milk in India, is less like a company and more like a co-operative society, where they co-operate with regional dairy farms. Most of the money made by selling the milk actually goes back to the farmers.

Plenty of examples, but just these few I could think of. Infact MRP does not even exist in China, so in that policy, India is literally more left than China.

Yeah again, Indian laws in practice are riddled with corruption, but I think the template they work in are interesting, and I think west would tackle those problems a lot better.

Any more examples of socialist democracies?

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asklemmy·Asklemmybycinoreus

How likely is it that there's an animal on earth that's smarter than human beings in key areas?

Let me elaborate, how likely is that there's an animal on earth that's smarter than us? By smarter, I understand intelligence is a nuanced topic unique to different animals, so for the sake of argument, let's talk about, mathematics, critical thinking about where and how to apply those mathematical concepts, and creativity in any form.

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