Jeff Bezos said the quiet part out loud — hopes that you'll give up your PC to rent one from the cloud
A few years ago, Amazon chairman Jeff Bezos revealed how he thinks of local PC hardware as antiquated, ready to be replaced by cloud options from companies like AWS and Azure.
Bucha Bull to me.
https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-versionOpen linkView original on piefed.social1220
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What a fucking joke that would be on US American networks.
We are ranked like 30th in the world for bandwidth. No fiber dropped to the curb but the billionaires. And shit slow 20th century wireless speeds with technical acumen that we see today in Verizon's ongoing 8 hour outage.
Bezos is so out of touch it is clown-like and stupid.
They want a data center heavy world but have no fucking pipeline to get data in and out for the rest of us.
What a human dildo.
Is he out of touch or has he just recognized that 50% of the economic activity is already from the top 10% of the population?
I get the feeling the wealthy have just written off the bottom 90% of society and don't actually give a flying fuck if anything works for us or not. He knows his core sales will go to people who do have fiber at their doorstep.
Maybe we're the ones out of touch thinking they plan on having a place for us in this world at all.
Thats the plan, organize yourselves now before they do it for you
Even Ford, piece of utter feculence he was, understood that if you gave people money and time to spend it they'll give it right back to you and everyone gets to come up together.
That was a PR stunt. Wages were being raised anyway, he just preempted what he knew was coming to make himself look good
Next you're gonna tell me that Ford didn't actually invent the weekend, but was pressured by unions.
Or that tipped wages aren't meant to let the employees get a higher wage than they could at a fixed wage, but instead only benefit the business.
You and your crazy conspiracy theories. Now, if you're done being wrong, I have a bridge to purchase.
Censoring parts of gameplay as you play would be very impressive, btw. Not in a good way, but impressive, like when I first found out about ISP replacing/adding ads on http pages
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That's clear, this is just a weird image
Also, I believe they don't really need to have complete control for that, too
Can we not pretend the problem is solely performance based? People keep doing this with generative AI and it keeps resulting in "oh shit, ghibli AI is so awesome".
Especially since... can you watch a twitch stream? Congrats, you can stream a desktop. Even back with Stadia it was very much viable to play games like AssCreed over streaming and have a very comparable experience to it being local. And stuff like Geforce Now actually work REALLY well.
The issue shouldn't be "can you make this perform well enough I want to use it". It should be about ownership and the implication for.. everything if all "personal computers" exist solely in a data center and all documents exist solely in The Cloud and so forth. Preservation of anything becomes nigh impossible and you suddenly have to pay a monthly fee to ever see your kid's pictures again.
Having tried to play games over a gigabit connection, no. You really can't. Latency is not something you can just handwaved away.
I don't know what to say. Plenty of folk, myself included, have had no issues with the majority or games. And stuff like geforce now is quite successful
As someone who remotes home frequently, no, the experience is not quite right. Packet drop and latency cause lots of input errors and misclicks. Sometimes the local internet decides not to carry your packets, and sometimes even connecting over vpn doesn't.
You do not want a cloud desktop. You want a physical desktop and supplement with cloud services you can't run locally.
Again, plenty of folk, self included, have no issues with streaming from a datacenter and geforce now is quite successful.
Understand that the codecs make a huge difference. But the actual inputs are literally bytes per minute of data. MAYBE kilobytes if you are particularly good at Starcraft
That means nothing if your latency spikes or some packets drop at the moment you need to click and not hold, or move the mouse precisely and drop.
People will surrender all ownership if you can provide more content more cheaper and conveniently, ownership is much lower on most people's priority than convenience
And a big factor in trying to combat/delay that is to not frame it as "This doesn't even work". Because then it is literally one free trial away from being normalized for like 95% of the audience.
Then people still flock up on centralised systems.
Don't even dare to do P2P 😅!
Eh. Some stuff does make sense to centralize.
Like, the concept of a thin client (what these basically are "close enough" to) is a really good one. They drastically simplify security and costs for corporate environments. And, even in the before times, it might genuinely make sense to just pay for a month/hundred hours of GFN if you wanted to play the latest AAA game rather than upgrading your five year old computer that handles everything else you play perfectly.
The bigger issue being that it now increasingly makes sense to pay for years/thousands of hours of GFN because of how broken the everything is. And the vultures (like Amazon and nVidia) smell the decay.
And... I didn't want to crap on the other person too much but I do think p2p is why so many people think this can't work. There is a big difference between streaming from your computer over starbucks wifi and connecting to a major data center. And there are also arguments for power and ecological impact but that becomes a MUCH bigger mess full of bad actors and incomplete comparisons.
I had to sign up for DSL this week in Frankfurt, DE as my neighborhood didn’t have cable or fiber internet. Don’t think that we’re gonna be cloud-ready any time in the next 50 years. DSL. Frankfurt. Major city.
Satellite TV was much more popular compared to cable generally in European countries, so phone lines make up the bulk of wired networking in a lot of places, making DSL a pretty practical option without having to lay a whole network. I get the feeling in countries where cable is much more common, DSL is reserved for the last resort level of service, whereas in Europe many of the telecoms make sure to deploy the latest standards.
I finally swapped to 1gbps fibre a year or two ago, but before that I was on about 250mbps with G.Fast DSL that honestly wasn't bad at all. I believe the theoretical limits go much higher than that too
It's DSL, so the speed depends on line length. To reliably get 250M you're probably doing fibre to the footpath outside the building.
In the UK, where I believe VDSL and G.Fast both are achieved by putting the equipment in your local "green cabinet" which is the sub distribution between you and your local telephone exchange.
My cabinet is about a 200m straight line from my house, so I was lucky enough that I always got pretty close to whatever speed the telco was selling me.
My parents' place is about 500m or so from theirs and I think they typically got about 70-80% of the "up to" rate on VDSL before they switched to fibre. It used to be more like 50% on regular ADSL/2/2+
I think you have to be kinda rural before you're much further than that from a green cabinet (which of course isn't an insignificant number of people, but I believe per capita it's not typical)
in my rural part of the u.s., the telco only sells dsl to a max of 10 mbps (and as slow as 384kbps if you're at the end of the signal's reach--at which point they also charge you more for the shit-tier speeds).. even if you're literally next door to their central office.. and even if they don't have fiber down your street (which is their reasoning for the artificial limit--to push people towards fiber so they can pull the copper).
I got the first DSL in france, a fucking VCR sized box that fried after a couple of months too... The deal wasn't the incredible 128Kb/s but that it was online all the time...
It quickly doubled up to .5Mb and then slowly up to 20Mb before I went with fiber some maybe 8-9 years ago. But I rarely felt hampered.
Yeah but Germany is well known in Europe for being technologically in the stone age.
I remember a time when Skype already existed and we would still pay for long distance phone minutes to call our German relatives because they hadn't updated their internet since the Kaiser was in charge. :-P In the last few years, their speeds are much more comparable to ours.
Frankfurt Oder or Frankfurt Main?
Frankfurt am Main, Nied
I feel like desktop as a service might work pretty well in a world where municipal fiber was commonplace but it's the damnedest thing, the billionaire aligned politicians banned it in a bunch of places
Like with all tech, we will build the infrastructure with our tax's, and Jeff will sell it back to us.
That's just a business probrem for them, they'll fix it with Amazon Fibre(tm) or something like that
They already have a Starlink-like program in the works. (Not that latency is important or anything with compute over internet.)
Yet another way to double-dip, I'm surprised they haven't released it already
They want us more desperate for it so that we will accept a higher price.
Or they'll bundle it directly with the compute they want to sell you so that you dont even have the option of using your own PC and all devices on the network are 100% validated and controlled by them.
Hey! Whoa! That's uncalled for!!!
.........being a human dildo sounds quite fun!
To be clear, fiber is missing in many places, but it's not just for billionaires. I have it and I live in a very small, very insignificant town.
I used to live in San Diego, in the middle of a very dense section of the city, though... And zero fiber options were there. I was paying $80 a month for 400 down and 15 up. So embarrassing...
I get 1gbit up and down now for $40 a month.
So, it's bullshit, and I agree with you. But fiber does exist. I don't have any idea why some areas get it, and others don't, but in San Diego the issue was non-compete agreements between ISP's.
Add to it that we all carry pocket computers nowadays with more than enough processing power to do basically any sane thing.
What a completely 1980 idea.
They build the pipeline for themselves, we won't know about it or have access
We went from mass surveillance to hardware confiscation real quick.
These companies are so large that they don’t need the consumer market anymore. The consumer is now the competition. They can essentially purchase the entire planet’s output of computing hardware years in advance to force us out of the market and lease it back to us at inflated rates. Then, they turn all that tensor compute against us to make everyone’s life a living digital surveillance hell.
Forget Internet freedom, computational liberty is now at risk. Who needs all that expensive legal and technological architecture to steal your data, report on you to the government, and enforce DRM when they control bare metal access to your rented corporate cloud hardware because consumer PC equipment is too astronomically expensive to afford for the average person?
We need to elevate the prosecution of anti-trust to the level of religious inquisition, and burn these companies at the stake. They’re using AI to literally enslave humanity, and it’s working.
I can't agree with this more, but what's the plan exactly?
Sounds perfect for some trust-busting action. If only we had a capable government...
First we need to trust-bust the government until we get a government that is actually representative of the people, not representative of the wealth.
It's not that the government is not capable or as inefficient as they are so often portrayed. They are actually quite capable and frighteningly efficient. They're just not working for us anymore.
more like if only enough people actually cared about what is going on in life. Most governments with this issue atm are facing massive apathy in regards to actually voting on what they want. They either don't vote at all, or blind vote not bothing to research anything. I wish I could say this was strictly a US issue as well but, I believe most democratic governments are having this issue. I know for sure Canada is.
I couldn't agree more with this either, but they've said no, and the politicians are being bought, so as a citizen, besides not buying their shit slurry, what is there to actually do about it more actively. I guess it's just local politics, ultimately I don't know in the aggregate how much it helps with these guys who have so much money they just wield it like a hammer. Not that that should be a good enough reason to do nothing
Keeping the issues in the conversation is good, but ideas and words only work so well, eventually someone has to enable mechanisms to do these things in reality, otherwise its just corps sucking each other off at the common person's expense all the way to hell
Well there’s a vast landscape between ‘citizen’ and ‘not buying’!
As a participant in state and local politics, you do what you can. I learned during years of NGO work that the longest lever for the non-owner class is policy.
That means working on specific issues by directing persuasion to policy makers, and often you catch those flies with honey. Appeal to the cooperative side of politicians and bureaucrats, make them feel like leaders and other ego things. Also, usually, pressuring with risks, like looming financial or political losses. This seems like very unsatisfying work because it is far from the front lines and providing direct relief, but systemic change is easier when protests aren’t necessary.
Meanwhile it’s also possible to start the Transition to a new economy, without fuss. Cooperatives are all around you, join them. Find every little opportunity for mutual aid, and take them when you can. Make non-commercial transactions normal. Participate in repair cafés, and develop thrift economy, like clothing exchanges and toolshares and small buying clubs. Electrify and find more efficiency. Group study. Build small organizations and ventures.
And crucially, participate in a little Direct Action, for your sanity and honour. What that means, whether it’s food charity or illicit art, is unique to you.
Exceptionally robust suggestions for the average person, the next step is to act on one of these for the sake of your neighbours
It's not going to get resolved overnight, and it's not going to be a smooth and direct road without any violence or suffering, we've seen plenty of the violence and suffering already. There will be more. But pay careful attention to the resistance that is forming, keep your eyes peeled for opportunities to resist, and until those opportunities present themselves, do what you can to make yourself and your families, loved ones, and communities more resilient and better supported. Give as much as you can, until it is time to take what we are owed.
There are protests happening. There will be more. There is active resistance. There will be more. There is civil disobedience. There will be more. There are people forming labor unions. There will be more. Labor strikes are planned. There will be more.
Don't despair, prepare. It's almost certainly going to get worse, much worse, before it gets better... but it will get better. Even if it takes years of effort, and maybe even a lot of violence and suffering to get there. The USA is the country that threw a tea party to overthrow a king. They will do so again, sooner or later. And keep in mind that historic event, also, did not happen overnight, it was the culmination of years of public anger, organization and preparation. It doesn't even have to be a single definitive event. The stuff that is happening in Minneapolis right now, is changing the balance point on the scale. It may not be what tips it over, but it doesn't have to be. The undercurrent of change is always moving even when it's not visible. When it becomes visible, it usually gets pretty dramatic pretty quickly.
honestly, I think it would be a stretch to say this could be resolved in the next decade barring a super hostile action government wise such as a strict wealth tax (including offshore bank accounts). but even i think that would likely do more harm than good at first and would be neigh impossible to actually track logistically without accommodation from external countries.
Slow and Steady will eventually win the race, but it's going to be a long hard process and will need actual participants.
I think that's a fair and reasonable, but maybe somewhat optimistic point of view. I certainly hope it might be as smooth as a "long hard process" of hardworking participants that takes decades.
I'm concerned it's going to be much worse and more dramatic than that. If it's sufficiently dramatic, it might be even faster than a decade. But we don't necessarily want the change to be that fast or dramatic, because that has serious costs, and I think that might be the path we're on. I think there are inevitably going to be a lot of super hostile actions from many different sides, and these will manifest as a collapse or near collapse of human civilization. I don't see any realistic path forward through traditional or existing systems or models of economics and governance. I think empires are already falling. I think many nation-states are going to topple. I think there will be a massive reorganization of human society in the coming decades, and that will happen largely through widespread war, famine, brutality, and savagery that we had convinced ourselves we had left long in the past. Even though it's never actually stopped happening at any point in time, it's just been marginalized and isolated into places we mostly ignore and when we do notice it, we soon have to look away and start to ignore again because it's so upsetting to us. When we see it happening, we find ways to do something to convince ourselves that it's been solved, or managed, or improved in some way and then we look away again so we don't have to think about it when it inevitably gets worse. But even having it marginalized is better than it has been, and there's no shame in that. But we still will have to confront these realities eventually. And I think eventually is quickly becoming "now".
This is what humanity is, this is what any remotely objective view of history tells us. We have often tried to be better as people, and that's commendable, and I think we have done a good job being at least somewhat better for a long time, and that too is commendable, and it is obviously a worthy pursuit that we should continue, but we cannot completely escape that we have our dark sides, we are capable of great evil, and great evil is being done sometimes directly under our noses, sometimes we do it ourselves without even seeing it, it is part of us, it is part of who we are and who we always have been. And I think we are facing down a serious confrontation with many of our great evils right now. And I don't think we're prepared for how bad it's going to be. For how bad we can be.
Maybe I'm wrong, I hope I am. I hope there's some turning point where everyone simultaneously realizes where this is headed and everything changes direction and we address many of our great evils and solve many of our problems peacefully and promptly and continue pursuing our better selves. But I'm finding it increasingly hard to believe that's realistic.
For sure, anything of that caliber, be it a monetary violence such as a massive financial shift from wealthy to either the government structures or the people, to a physical violence such as a revolt, to a virtual violence such as banning products/companies that are not following the established mantra, I do think the end result would be the same, I doubt it would lead to the collapse of civilization but, I do have to say that it won't be pretty and in best case scenarios the penalty is increased pricing for awhile while things stabilize, worst case scenario is dismantlement of known authorities/governments due to violent protests.
For some food for thought btw on the economic scale? You could take half of amazons annual net income(income after taxes, liabilities, deductions etc) for 2024, distribute it evenly across all known people in the US (Amazons primary market) and be able to give each person $80-90. every person and that's still allowing the company to keep 30B. It blows my mind. The same can be said about Microsoft. They made 88B in 2024, so half of that is 44B across every person would be 130ish per person. Nvidia would be ~18, apple would be ~144. It's really sickening when you think of it the amount of money those companies have.
I guess we all hope the price is small, but humanity has this way of not really learning its lessons, I hope I'm wrong on that too. I make sure to have gratitude for the things in my life that are good and wholesome, because who knows anything really, it is good to be able to see your flowers bloom, so to speak.
But humanity has witnessed the end of every other empire and made it out the other side, so yes, hold out hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and enjoy the moment
Sorry, best I can do is a 40% tax break for those making 1m or more annual revenue.
It'll trickle down this time for sure... right?
stop funding their bullshit
A men
Stay aware. Keep up with happenings. :3
You know, I feel that's causing a lot of distress, and not just for myself. I think maybe they also want desperate people, which might be why they've built their bunkers
E: shit, I don't want to be more of a downer than I have to be, been there for too long, not helpful. There's no way to win a war other than keep up the morale, thanks for the cat face, it did make me smile for what it's worth lol ˄_~
And to be helpful this was something I came by last week in case anyone hasn't seen it yet, it's about as optimistic a thing that's come about recently. And I'll add it took me a hot minute to find it on my phone, despite knowing exactly which video I was looking for...
Foe me its make your own.
If the big companies wont make the things we want, im going to make it myself. Kinda already am with my bespoke laptop I built..
I'm happy to ask about your bespoke laptop if you wanna nerd out, what is the deal with it, I looked into it very briefly years ago, but it didn't feel like the tech was there at the time, not for what I was looking for anyway
I second this sentiment. I would love to know more!
Can't make a useful computer yourself if you can't get parts anymore.
Me: sits on 7 different low budget but sturdy PCs 😎
This is essentially market manipulation via speculation. The artificially create scarcity to drive up demand and price. They do it with food, they do it with housing, and they do it with healthcare. The basic things we need to survive are being held by fewer and fewer owners; then held hostage by those owners via monopolization; just to squeeze more from us. The earth is a fucking resort for the 3000 billionaires in this world, and the rest of us are allowed to work here at the pleasure of our overlords.
Everything seems to eventually link back to class war.
To be honest I don't have any personal digital information that I give a shit about. It's value is only derived from its ability to identify + track me, either for my convenience or for the highest bidder's. Computational liberty is only an issue because we've made everything digital by default and that mindset has leaked into critical social functions (taxes, law, logistics, healthcare, etc...).
Software and data bloat is more astronomical than most people realize. Only about 10% of persisted data is ever touched again (don't look up the ecological implications). Amazon could capture 90% of all compute hardware and the entire human race could get by just fine on 10%. We wouldn't have access to niceties like app stores full of niche apps, 24MP phone cameras, 4k movies, 10 sluggish layers of software abstraction, 15 years of photos you never look at, etc...
But you could run a simple message server on basically any scrap of IoT e-waste. A highly available static website can be hosted with an old phone and a solar panel. Any device (fridge/watch/calculator/pregnancy test) can run Doom. All of Apollo 11's source code is a fraction of the size of most web pages.
We're continously expanding our hardware usage for infinitesimally small gains. We should demand that our governments legislate digital austerity for dozens of reasons, just pick what resonates best for you. Personal privacy, energy usage, ecological damage, corporate capture, information rot, brittle supply chains, national security, etc...
Yes, and also - if something was normal in 80s, it won't stop being possible in 2030s. In some sense our civilization now is just reveling in the sea of computational power used wastefully.
There was a moment when I moved from an old PC with 512 MB RAM which seemed nice, but was becoming a bit weak for games and all, to a newer C2D PC with 2 GB RAM. I felt it can do anything I'll ever need. And web aside, it still can do most.
And that old PC, if we compare it to a machine good for year 1999, was very powerful. And 1999 is around Matrix and Phantom Menace, and the X-Wing: Alliance game, and ICQ popularity growing.
More and more resources spent for the same or less social satisfaction. People like talking in money and graphs and industry slang, but honestly social satisfaction is a far better optimized mechanism than these.
Adopting a kitten seems still more satisfying than computing, but the gap in year 1999 was subjectively less than now.
The old technologies that we used to use for websites never really went away. They're still around, and you can use them to make websites again if you want.
It's just that it won't be as fancy looking as a newer web-site, but you don't lose too much on functionality.
Fantastic alternative insight, thank you.
Genuin question. How do you classify your photo's ? (That's the data I care about most. almost everything else can be reproduced or is just a pitty if lost)
Photos are the same as most other data, you can store them pretty easily long-term in a physical medium. Of course, capturing an image is much easier and more convenient with a digital device, but that doesn't mean it has to live digitally indefinitely. It's simple enough to have an instant digital camera with a built in printer and access to a high quality scanner.
If you held a gun to my head, I could pick out a few dozen personal photos that I own that are worth saving physically. If you allowed me a modern flash drive's worth of storage (64-128GB, ~5000 good quality images), I could pretty easily store every picture worth a second look from my entire lifetime.
Apple's marketing driven perception that every single person needs a cinema quality camera (and cinema sized storage) in their pocket is ludicrous. Only a tiny fraction of people actually truly need that. Let them borrow that gear from a library if we want to preserve fair access.
Sorry to break it for you, but no one actually plays Doom anymore.
We made physical toys and games into something expensive for adults and kicked kids out of the equation.
Now all they have are videogames and the most affordable ones (the ones on PC) are soon to disappear.
Good luck killing off older games, though.
Or indie games.
Older games will play via emulation on a damn phone. They'll practically play on a potato.
Might be playing Balatro and such rather than the latest iteration of AAA whatever, but I mostly play games closer to the former than the latter already.
ok, zoomer
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/ENDOOM_Mapping_Contest_2025
Oh, even I create maps with my cousin still. Playing though...
FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT
I’ve been screaming this since Crucial closed up
People have been screaming this since right to repair, since FOSS, since Microsoft in the 90s, since stallman. Consumers consistently lose because the vast majority of people don’t give a shit and politicians that could regulate our way out of this are easily purchased.
At this pace they will make owning a compyter illegal. Being everything a remote service governments doesnt need to preoccupy by cryptography and business will not have to worry about addblockers and user profiling will be easier.
Ok so the tactic is to drain the corporations of their money.
Unsurprising that capitalists want to seize all the means of computation for themselves.
Hey Jeff — you know what I think is antiquated and should be relegated to the annals of history?
Billionaires.
Go away and live your life of luxury and shut the fuck up. Don't you have enough fucking money?
yeah you know what i always thought hey this PC cost me a lot, i wish I could keep paying for it indefinitely.
I'll own nothing and you'll be happy?
Yep, just like feudal times.
i will never in my life get any subscription to anything, that doesnt have to be a subscription.
so far i'm fine with:
internet connection and my phone number
Yeah.. actually how the fuck are we still paying a subscription for our phone number? That's frick'n bull-crap!
utilities?
That’s more a bill for what you used.
Thats not a subscription IMO
Neither is rent or food
People should be more aware that appeal to making you feel old or antiquated is one of the main strategies from corporations to push their products into you.
No, you're not antiquated. Just be yourself and do things the way you like to do, not the way corporations want to force you into. No one should judge you, and if they do, they're wrong for judging others for their way to do things. Don't fall for that trap
If building from wood is not antiquated, then surely local hardware isn't.
But their power is built on function fulfilled, and unless there is an alternative, they are the future.
I'll give up computers entirely before I rent one from you greedy pricks.
"Hopes", more like will be doing a bunch of anti-competitive bullshit to ensure that this is your only option.
I mean, that's absolutely where this is going at a business level. Cloud computing has been in the cards for decades, and the only real question is who will do the hosting.
With the price of RAM and CPUs going asymptotic, these big cloud compute companies are building an effective monopoly on high end processing capacity. They're cornering the market on hardware. Eventually, you either use their computers or you stick with legacy hardware (that's seeded with Planned Obsolescence time bombs) or you (shudders just to think of it) start buying computers from CHINA.
When you think about it, there's really only one option.
From an IT operations perspective this makes so much sense they’ve already tried it before. They were called “thin clients” and just had enough compute and network to connect to run remote desktop software.
This greatly reduces the amount of spending you need to build out a large corporate network, and centralizes management just like they already do for servers with stuff like VMWare.
Eh, depends. The price for something like VMware horizon was already damn expensive and that's before you got to citrix prices (and this is pre broadcom takeover.)
For some places the costs are able to be recouped but it really depends. You still need plenty of scale to have that be viable IME.
My main point being there are a millions of small businesses and medium size ones that are still always going to be far better off with normal physical hardware.
I'm assuming privacy isn't an issue and they don't mind Amazon picking the winners in business.
Privacy doesn’t exist on corporate networks, so they don’t. However, the early thin clients had local servers. I don’t know how the very largest companies would feel about giving Amazon that much power.
The largest companies already host everything on the cloud.
The largest companies are the cloud.
I hope China keeps manufacturing affordable computers and doesn't go all in on the cloud too. There might be profit in selling computers, but I bet there are politicians in the CCP who would love to have everyone rent cloud computing that's more easily watched and controlled.
The Chinese government doesn't want to have to deal with routing the world's email spam through their domestic servers. Nevermind the nightmare of latency going round trip from a terminal in Sao Paulo to a data center in Beijing, just so some mid-level bureaucrat can know the porn habits of Brazil.
I would say the bigger threat of Chinese hardware is an end to the effective technology embargo the US sanctions regime has imposed on the Global South. Far scarier to Americans than a Chinese bureaucrat with access to the Amazon web store history is a Cuban Communist with a standard of living that outpaces their Miami peers.
I was thinking more that they'd like the idea of better surveillance of their own population. If that happened there might be an incentive for them not to make it affordable to own capable hardware.
But if you're right about what you just said and China of all places ends up democratizing tech around the world, that will be something of a silver lining.
Who? Me! Self hosting is a thing.
Yeah bud, maybe if you get just a little more money, you'll finally be complete. Just a little more money....
Every 5 years someone invests a bunch of money into thin clients, and then we’re right back where we started.
I’ll believe it’s possible when America’s networking infrastructure isn’t covered in holes.
when was the last such case
Chromebooks and cloud gaming come to mind.
Step 1: Raise sales prices artificially
Step 2: Create affordable alternatives to rent.
Step 3: Wait until enough people claim that its cheaper and more comfortable to just rent.
Step 4: Wait until maket is destroyed.
Step 6: Raise prices.
"You will own nothing and you will be happy"
Fuck you Jeff.
Of course they want that. So they can control and see everything that people can do on their devices. With Moore's law there is absolutely no reason why centralizing computers should make sense. This is pure corporate greed and nothing else.
You will own nothing and be happy.
It's not really a law and it's not true anymore.
There is, and it's not too different from central heating.
You could live 20 years with the same dumb terminal, while on the remote side you could rent better and better hardware.
I like p2p networks and think socially it's better to have a decentralized way of providing such resources and paying for them.
But the benefit of renting computing resources is obvious. Except I like the idea of having a local system, and offloading some tasks to remote performers, not renting a remote system.
I mean, of course they want the world working their way and that's what they are offering. If those thinking differently can't compete, then that's how it happens.
Over my dead body.
Everything a subscription. You'll own nothing and like it!
And, people, I can't stress this enough, FUCK JEFF BEZOS!
That's Nvidia's whole game plan. Subscription to use their hardware. Limits on hours of gaming. Pay to play more hours.
Nothing is ever enough for these greedy fucks
Imagine the unparalleled censorship when the far-right tech elites decide what you can do on "your" computer.
Fuck that shit. Switch to Linux.
The only thing people should be giving up is their Amazon Prime subscriptions and AWS hosting. You're very likely getting ripped off and overcharged if you use AWS. Also although I recommend ordering from other websites if you have no choice but to use Amazon you don't need Prime for free shipping, just wait until you have enough stuff in your cart such that you're over the free shipping threshold. Don't order unnecessary stuff to get over the threshold.
So wait is the idea that computers would just be like a monitor that connects directly to Amazon
Yes, they'd become a thin client.
The concept isn't new and happens in the corporate world connecting to the corporate servers to run the software, but he wants that to become the norm.
A chromebook is somewhere between the middle of a regular computer, and what Bezos wants.
Yeah, in college around 2012, they dropped the education of software optimization, claiming that the "cloud will make it obsolete". Hell, they even demoed us a DAW concept, that in the future, was supposed to run in the cloud, but only if we enable very low-latency internet.
That idea is very old. There was such a company as Sun Microsystems.
Dude, we literally just killed X11. Fuck off.
Yep. Back to dumb terminals. I'm not having any of it.
we're going back to "Terminals", just like in the 70s and 80s
Good luck with that.
Signed,
A person who has recently started pulling all their files from cloud storage like Google Drive and Dropbox
Techno-feudalism, ladies and gentlemen.
If you want to be financially free, have no debt. Pay off any loans, dont have subscriptions. Make your monthly costs to be as low as possible.
That is freedom but its the opposite of what is advertised.
This has been tried, and it sucked and failed every time.
Yeah but that was before you had billionaires of this size able to manipulate entire markets in this capacity.
yeah. Brain likes to think that it's still 2011.
Tbh I think the Sun Ray thin terminals were pretty cool at the time. Not really cloud because it was an enterprise product 20 years ago, so they used servers hosted by the enterprise. But at the time this idea of taking my entire desktop session with me via my employee badge felt pretty cool. Of course only supporting X11 sessions on Solaris meant that nobody outside Sun wanted it though but that’s not really a problem with the concept as such.
I think it would be cool to self host a thin client system for my household. One main server with everything and I can manage it to ensure that it's working as it should. Thin clients that myself and fam would interact with for regular use.
Actually, I think I just want an easy way to have my pc in another room so I can use it without having to deal with the heat and noise.
Regardless, the important part is that it's in my house and under my control. The lack of control is why previous thin client scams were scams and sucked.
How about fuck you Jeff.
I'm not giving up my PC, I'm running it until it dies, Big Tech can fuck off.
The means of information are the new means of production
Literally never.
Were not the target market.
We're the target market to end.
We're too.
FIFY: Jeff Bezos said the quiet part out loud - hopes that
you'll give upyou won't be able to afford a PC and will be forced to rent one from the cloudBezos would sell oxygen subscriptions if he could.
Um no
These greedy fucks are coming after everything you have, that's how this works.
All thanks to American Billionaires fucking over the whole planet. I'm thousands of miles away and I am still getting screwed by those sycophants.
fucking microsoft too. they're enshittifying things so much because they can charge you rent to compute instead
"You will own nothing and LIKE IT!"
Yeah go screw yourself Tech weirdo's. You could help us, instead you just bleed us dry for profits.
As @[email protected] stated. This would never work in the US without major overhaul to existing infastructure. I'm rocking a 32/32 Mbps atm. My parents? they get 5. I have to enable steam to limit itself to 512kb/s download or I will take down their network as a whole and if anyone is using youtube or netflix it has to be a 240p or it starts to granulate. Remind me how a cloud based PC is going to work in this state.
We're so doomed. A lot of people will probably buy into this because they can't possibly be inconvenienced by owning a computer.
I was talking about AI with someone the other day and they said, "Wow, in the future we probably won't be able to work without a subscription to ChatGPT. Oh, well." Like. wat. teh. faq. People see the convenience trap, but can't be bothered to do anything about it. I hate this timeline.
I would rather never touch a computer again than rent one.
Murica is a deranged shithole. Linux is our only way out of this. To all hardware manifacturers: Build your goddamn drivers for it and free us!
~cry in the capitalist vacuum...
So, these idiots didn't learn their lesson the first time with the colossal flop that was Stadia and now they want to convince us that, this time for sure, we really don't want to own our own hardware and cloud computing is the future?
These guys should not be getting a single bent penny for convincing people to switch over to cloud computing when their AI slop machines are responsible for the scarcity that is causing hardware prices to be completely uneconomical.
They also want our cars, they want our homes, they want our lives.
So that's what they meant by techno feudalism.
This is actually terrifying. Switching to Linux will help us for a while, and the community can take us a long way, but eventually the hardware in physical PCs won't be able to perform basic functions. Maybe it's because cloud PCs use vastly more power and web designers inefficiently update to a web 4.0 that won't be accessible on older hardware -- this has happened before. Or it'll be because the cloud PCs have access to Wi-Fi cards or a new technology entirely to connect that physical hardware won't have access to -- already a standard practice with cell phones' arbitrary gsm phaseouts.
A phaseout of physical hardware would also entail a phaseout of physical accessories, so you can't data-horde your way out of this one unless, maybe, you invested in the now-rare M-Disc format and the drives that make them work. You can buy external offline storage for a while, but eventually it'll all get bought up on the used market or otherwise fail in 5-10 years after the last hard drives get made for consumers. Eventually you will lose all your files and have no way to back them up. No Jellyfin server for movies you legally ripped, no GOG installers for games you legally bought, no music library or ebooks either, they'll all be gone, stolen, so you buy it all over again in perpetuity.
Our only hope, really, is small businesses continuing to build physical PCs with equal power as the cloud devices. But would parts manufacturers let them? The current situation with data centers, SDDs, and RAM shows that parts manufacturers are increasingly only interested in selling to other large businesses. Consumers can't boycott that.
I fully expect to be unable to access my bank or make appointments or get meaningful employment if I don't switch over in 10 to 20 years.
Imagine a world where you have been blacklisted from their services because you posted online about the corruption he feeds.
now imagine how difficult it will be to get or keep a job where you can't use a computer when 85% of all jobs now require AI "skills".
don't worry, you can work in one of the many warehouses at Amazon...
Nah I'll be like the old nonna who is the only one who can only make the pannetone the traditional way, but I can connect a GPU to the mobo
Something something cold, dead hands
No thanks, I'm good.
Sure, we've all seen how the de-centralized internet became centralized around a few big-tech and what that does for availability. When he turns off the cloud-pc I've got nothing, and all I can do about it is ...... also nothing. So if my data isn't on my hardware at a location I can access 24/7 it really isn't my data!!
In a sense he’s late. A lot of people already have - phones and tablets and chromebooks.
Millions of people simply do not own a traditional computer.
The rest of us, well, cold dead hands and all that.
Fucking parasite.
I'm not sure how, but billionaires need to have their billions forcibly taken and redirected toward the public good. If humanity wants any future other than techno-feudalist fascism we need to figure out how to destroy the global billionaire class permanently within the next few decades or we are gonna be fucked for centuries. You'll rent everything and own nothing, they will bleed everyone dry, and if you rise up to disrupt the system you'll get a robot boot on your neck.
I feel like this is the real 100 men VS 1 gorilla or whatever. A half dozen billionaires VS a half dozen billion people.
I hope we wrench our future from the cold grasp of these ever nonsatisfied greed monsters, sooner than later preferably.
I f-ing called it:
https://lemmy.world/comment/21195810
This shit....
Luna has what a million users world wide? Its a drop in the bucket. Stadia failed. Game pass streaming sucks ass. Its never going to take off. How much more money do these cunts need??
As they say in my county: "go and die far from here, so I can't smell you".
I demand you give me control of your entire life, you can trust me.
Money has never bought brains
lol, no.
Meanwhile, I'm preparing myself to long periods of internet outage and intermittent access.
been preparing for a decade, but got serious after 2018 for some reason
Yup, Jordan was right, they want you to rent everything.
There is no cloud, just someone else computer.
At the same time I'm seeing a bunch of ads for "hardware is getting too expensive, use Akamai cloud for your gaming etc instead, now with AI blah blah!"
Bitch, you're the reason hardware is so expensive!
Never ever ever. I learned to code on a 14 year old hp probook. I know how long I can hold out.
I would rather lower the specs of my network than rent anything from them. If in 2035 I can only afford a raspberry pi 7, so be it.
Yeah, we get it, Bezos. You want us to shove more and more money down your throat.
Reading the article, the analogy with an own generator and the power grid kind of makes sense at first... until you also make an analogy with broadcast and cable TV for example - you don't get to choose what's on, and in the latter case you're practically paying for ads and some programming in between. So... how about no.
My fear is that those shortages (artificial or not) might at one point really drive us in a different direction. My only option for now is to vote with my wallet and use my stuff for as long as practically feasible.
It's not at all surprising that fatcats looks at the juicy profits that Apple makes with their iOS closed garden and think "I want me some of that" - wanting to be a monopolist with captive customers makes the most business sense and is the most natural thing in a Capitalist Economic and Political environment.
Most of the economic activity around Technology nowadays is rent-seeking and only the part which isn't at all about money - open source - isn't about corraling people into closed spaces, removing their choices and then extracting the most money possible from people who now have no other option.
It's kinda like 20 or 30 years ago when Banks looked at cash payments and thought that they should find a way to get comissions on those, same as they got with card payments, so already back they they were pushing things like electronic wallets (back then those were basically a special kind of card) and keep pushing it for decades (often with the support of governments, since 100% electronic payments are great for civil society surveillance), and nowadays in some countries there are pretty much no cash payments so that relentless push for controlling and getting a cut of every single trade has worked in those countries (and people in those places, such as Sweden, having traded a small hidden increase in price - due to banks now getting comissions in everything - and huge loss of privacy for a tiny bit of convenience genuinelly think they're better of).
So yeah, these software fatcats will totally try and get together with hardware makers with a dominant market position to slowly close down PC technology - for example the whole point of TPM is to take control away from the owners of the hardware and the "trusted" in "trusted platform" (aka TPM) isn't about it being trusted by the owner of the hardware, it's about it being trusted by the business selling the OS, who in turn can sell access to the thus gatekept environment to software making businesses.
I believe the whole requirement for TPM 2.0 in Windows 11 even though it doesn't actually need it is just a step in a broader strategy to turn PCs into a closed platform controlled by Microsoft, whilst as we see here other companies are trying to created closed platforms by having everything run in their servers, like Google tried almost a decade ago for games with Stadia and was also tried 2 or 3 decades ago by the likes of Sun Microsystems with the push for Thin Clients.
Internet and access to servers is the first thing that govts turn off when they get uppity.
Seems like a fatal risk to have online only services.
"Own nothing and be happy"
Alternative Advice: Buy up old used mini-pcs if hardware is too expensive. Don't buy AWS unless you actually need cloud services (i.e. you're hosting a website).
I won't say VPSs don't have their utility, but anyone framing it as an alternative to owning a PC is completely DeLuLu and need their head examined.
There are other VPS providers you can use, though, most of the Fediverse uses Hetzner, for instance.
I wish Hetzner didn't require uploading my legal documents (they asked for my passport or ID) to verify my account. Otherwise, seems cool. I'm in the US.
I've been trying using a VPS entirely as a development box. Something that has my entire development environment in it. Then I can just SSH to it from wherever and always have my workspace ready where I left off in tmux.
It has it's pros and cons. But it's definitely not a crazy idea. In fact it's a pretty old idea.
Even game streaming has gotten some traction. And when GPUs all cost $4k, maybe GeForce streaming isn't a bad financial choice.
so everyone owning their own pc is "antiquated" but everyone owning their own car is super cool and awesome. got it.
Nah, they want everybody to only use their robotaxi too.
Wait so you're saying we can have these cars that can come pick up a bunch of people and it'll be more efficient than everyone having their own car? What if we put the car on some kind of pre defined path, like a fixed one that can't move. Would that make it more efficient?
Nah, everyone owning their own car is just the fucking norm. What's cool is buying a new car. Often, and brand new.
When an economic system encourages you to constantly replace the same product, the concept of ownership becomes a little blurred. I mean, if you spend part of your budget on it every month for your entire life, it's not much different from renting.
My answer to that: 🖕
I worked with someone that defend this isea to the letter, just not contemplating companies.
The argument stemmed from an alledge visit he had done to Japan, where he had seen terminals connected to mainframes, and people used those from their house.
I was only able to raise one argument: that is not my computer.
Mind that this man was extremely tech savvy, an experienced and proficient programmer and played the roles of IT solutions an security implementer and supervisor at the company we worked at. And we handled sensitive information.
To him, relegating everything to an outside server was a dream, as removed the hassle and responsability of having to maintain, repair, replace and upgrade hardware. Everything needed should be a monitor, a keyboard and a mouse or trackball.
Yeah beyond the obvious problems with latency it mostly comes down to trust: trusting them with your data, trusting them to have enough capacity and trusting to not enshittify in the future. I reserve that level of trust for close friends, certainly not companies and absolutely not bezos.
There are plenty of smart tech workers without the first clue about morality or human rights. Outside of tech these people are ignorant and naive. That's why so many techbros become libertarians and stumble into fascism. It's cluelessness and a basic lack of curiosity to discover the world outside of tech.
tech is the field furthest away working with humans hence why they are more conservative in some case, biotech is somewhere in between(used to be only well off people who can afford scientist level schooling and cost, still kinda is)
This is already a thing called Virtual Desktop Infrastructure, and it's pretty great from an admin perspective. It has the potential to be great for consumers, but it never will be because big tech never does what's good for consumers.
But VDI home computers, on paper, are a good thing. Less e-waste, your computer is never obsolete, you don't have to worry about maintaining hardware, etc. Obviously not great for a power user, but for the general population it would be a good thing (if it's provided by a consumer-centric company).
Yeah, in theory in a decent world with benevolent actors this probably wouldn't be so bad. But we do not live in a decent world, and benevolent actors are far and few between.
Make no mistake, the oligarchs see the personal computer as a 40-year-old experiment that has failed, or needs to fail. They want their mainframes and CPU/hr billing back. Server hosting for enterprise uses has already gone this way for the most part. Small consumers are next.
Something something my cold dead hands
Nah, Bezos. Linux is getting better by the day.
That's why they have to make the hardware unobtainable. This is well underway.
And they'll be shooting themselves in the foot in the process.
That's the thing, with a free operating system you can do whatever the fuck you want. The best games coming out are indie developers and they can target hardware people have. We can wait them out.
It's really important not to discard functional hardware now, even by throwing it into recycling. It's more useful intact and may not be replaceable forever.
One thing that concerns me is the wear/tear limits on SSDs. Under normal replacement cycles it isn't such a concern, but it becomes an issue if you have to extend it out.
How he thinks he can make more billions by forcing yet another subscription model that takes ownership away from individuals.
Cloud is just a fancy word for giving up your freedoms. You rely on some greedy corporation and for what? What would the benefit even be?
Seize the means of computation!
Imagine the tracking and monitoring of activity they could do. Might as well go voyeur at that point.
TBH I don't think he's wrong, especially in HIS position.
Namely I think having the flexibility of the cloud is amazing... but NOT at the cost of losing sovereignty.
So when Bezos uses AWS he is actually smart because he remains sovereign. When anybody else though does rely on another system that they do not own for critical tasks then then lose sovereignty and thus agency.
TL;DR: cloud or not, maintain your agency.
Salesman shills product, nothing new. Besides, there is too much commodity hardware floating around for this to be plausible.
So stupid, given how quickly computers have become more powerful and cheaper over time. Local PC hardware will never be antiquated, and is only becoming more important over time.
because that's how capitalism works. PC hardware is so cheap and easy to make, the ROI is getting lower and lower each cycle.
if they only sell access to the hardware, profits go up exponentially and potentially forever.
this is why "x as a service" is used so much.
it's one of the reasons why windows 11 is so shitty. they're using it as a playground to test the limits of what consumers will accept. the experience is so atrocious that the next version will likely be hosted as a virtual desktop through Azure that you pay for hourly.
when it's released, all the shitty things with 11 will be magically resolved and you'll hear so many "reviews" talk about "how they listened to the end users and care about the user experience but it's just not possible to deliver the great experience they want on consumer hardware".
it's always about the money.
I think you give them too much credit, I think it's just incompetence and feature creep, and Microsoft desperately trying to hold on to users while more switch to Linux. The enshittification will rapidly increase, and more will realize they don't have to pay at all for a good operating system.
They gotta do something with all those data centres once the AI bubble pops. Pop pop!
Exactly. This is really just hedging their bets. They know the carpet is being pulled and now they're in the bargaining phase. (This plus Jensen asking people to be nicer about AI shlock.)
I want to see community DCs like we have community gardens. Municipal plots for hobby computing or offsite subsistance storage.
Love it!
Shit like this is why I'm glad I'm almost dead.
Well chucklefuck you need a basic PC to act as the client. You know what kind of computer most people have? A shitty PC good enough to be the fuckin client. Why would they want to pay for a shitty pc to rent another one when they can just use the fucking shitty PC they bought at walmart for 300 for 8 fuckin years like they do now? That is $3 a month amortized beat that bitch.
I guess there's more than one reason all pc parts are rising at a ridiculous rate
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Sometimes renting from the cloud is a perfectly acceptable solution. However companies leap to using AWS and similar cloud solutions WAY more than necessary or advisable. It is easy to rack up thousands in bills outstripping the costs of buying some hardware and slapping the software onto it. The cloud can scale and do a bunch of cool things but much of the time companies don't need it, or the complexity it brings. There is also the small matter of data sovereignty - if I were a company using the cloud I would be extremely wary of one which is operating outside of my legal jurisdiction and for governments it just a flat out bad idea.
Wonder if all the AI shit has actually been a way to inflate the price of computer hardware to the point where something like this is the only way some people will be able to afford to use computers at all.
Genuenly I refuse to use cloud PCs, I don't give a fuck how "cheap" they are or how "convenient" they are I ain't using it. If there is still hardware being produced that works with Linux I'm buying it, if no hardware exists I'm gonna keep using my old hardware until new hardware that does support Linux comes out.
The only thing that's gonna be replaced is capitalism and by extension the capitalist class.
"We have all this hardware and no consumers because businesses just buy up the competition who were using us, and fire the workers. We need to sell it, but to who? All corporate entities who aren't dying already picked a
cloud providerlandlord. We own the enterprise market. Who else can we rent seek from?"Your democrats and republicans are going to cross the aisle to help these guys own your hardware and operating systems. They are already killing open source 3d printers in new york for 'gun safety' purposes. Democrats and republicans crossing that aisle certainly is for the benefit of the people and not corporations who will create the software that can't print 3d guns. This, but for computers is next.
"Owning your operating system is for protecting children! We don't want them printing guns or talking to strangers online!"
There's no quite part anymore. It's all out in the open. Be it politics, capitalism, police brutality,... you name it.
Fuck you, Bezos. And fuck Amazon. I'd go full Luddite before giving you a single cent.
I love how the author keeps bringing up how expensive it would be to implement a system of cloud computing rental because no one would pay the amount it would require to make such a thing profitable. But we're talking about Jeff bezos here who took billions of dollars worth of loss for over 10 years before making Amazon the profit machine that it is now. Simply by making things cheaper for a long period of time until the customer base eas so used to the model that they could picture doing it any other way and their competition went out of business. I can totally foresee them doing this exact thing with cloud computing. Make it really cheap get people hooked where they have gotten rid of all of their in person computers and then, once access to home computing is either prohibitively expensive or impossible to do because parts are no longer available or otherwise impossible for people to switch away, jack up the price and make it profitable by squeezing every dime out of the average consumer.
This was also, by the way, Netflix's strategy as well as Spotify and all the other cloud-based services that people are "addicted to". Take billions and loss to get people used to your service and not consider any alternative. Then once you have a captive audience shoot that price to the Moon.
This is stupid. I will never rent a computer mainframe.
Oh, are we doing thin clients, again?
I think once a generation thin clients come up as a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist.
This is part of the AI push, but it assumes that it succeeds. With luck it can be stopped.
Yup, just don't eat the shit they are shoveling.
Yeah thats gonna be a no from me
So that's why they are paying Microsoft to make all the computers suck.
This is hilarious, because every single facility of note, and especially datacenters has local, grid independent generators. Datacenters in particular have been noteworthy for pushing for 'off-grid' power plants to give them more control over their power and costs. In the more reachable territory, residential solar promises value by mitigating your exposure to eletrical rate changes, and in some cases combined with home energy storage, people are going off-grid. A lot of commercial interests also pad out their facilities with solar panels, because it is cheaper than sourcing entirely from the grid, and this was before the recent rate hikes inflicted by datacenter buildouts.
His analogy is bogus because he implies off-grid energy generation is a thing of the past while AWS itself is a huge driver of off-grid energy generation in a world where off-grid energy generation is actually increasing.
Since the ubiquity of smartphones, PC relevancy has been on the decline, and now with the pricing out of regular people, I imagine they will eventually become a completely niche and rare thing, to the point where even renting them out won't be common or necessary. What's more concerning to me is where the internet is going. In a few decades I think it will be mainly used for banking, medical an other administrative things, with the social aspect heavily regulated and monitored, and will only be used by businesses. We've lived through a very unique time, and things are bound to change massively, so enjoy it while you can.
Why should I? Actually, after reading the article, not just the headline, it left me rather worried. All available resources are being pumped into "AI" now, for the convenience of chatting with ChatGPT about everyday stuff, for creating Grok bikini deepfakes or Copilot MS Paint memeslop.
With the effect of computer hardware, like CPU/GPU, RAM and SSDs becoming unaffordable for normal users (and thus normal PCs which need those components), some day users might have no other choice than owning just a "stupid" rig of mouse, keyboard and screen with all computing happening in some "AI cloud".
Sounds to me like some top-level enshittification!
Over my dead body Jeff.
I'll host my photos on a jailbroken pregnancy test.
Perfect! And after that we can rent our phones from the cloud too. Maybe our electric cars after that?
This isn't a new idea, and it certainly predates Bezos.
I'm older now, but throughout my life there has been a pendulum swing back and forth between local compute power vs remote compute power. The price of RAM going up follows the exact same path this has gone half a dozen times already in the last 50 years. Compute power gets cheap then it gets expensive, then it gets cheap again. Bezos's statements are just the most recent example. He's no prophet. This has just happened before, and it will revert again. Rinse repeat:
2000s local compute power: This was the widespread adoption of desktop PCs with 3D graphics cards as a standard along with high power CPUs.
2010s remote compute power: VDI appears! This is things like VMware Horizon or Citirix Virtual Desktop along with the launch of AWS for the first time.
2020s local compute power: Powerful CPUs and massively fast GPUs are now now standard and affordable.
2030s remote compute power....in the cloud....probably
In 2040s do we just move our brains into our own self hosted data centers?
For the 2040s, if the pattern holds, local compute power will be come dirt cheap again, and there will be very few reasons to pay someone else to host your compute power remotely. Maybe it will be supercomputers on everyone's wrist or something.
...and how should I access this cloud compute? Stick my fingers into a network socket and wiggle them?
That's like an EU member purchasing the F-35 under Krasnov. Yep, fuck that shit.
I don't buy computers from wax figures.
Yes rent a computer from the cloud, while your Internet is capped at a terrabyte
Weird. You would think that the “genius” would know that the very AI and Quantum computing his organization and other Billionaires are building out, is going to undermine anything of value that is Centralized. Really proof his genius is how to exploit others and not really the reality we are finding ourselves in. I am LOL inside as the shift back to decentralized services will be a bloodbath for Centralized anything.
Literally no reason to live if you have to subscribe for air.
No reason to hold back then, this planet is not big enough for billionaires.
Amazon sucks
Cheap computer (I'm Canadian so let's say these are maple bucks) say $500, what's a rental $30 a month, so 16ish months before it's paid off.
I ran a media PC off a $300 computer for years (I can't recall exactly least 2 maybe 3). If you need more you probably don't need a cloud one, if you get a cloud one it's cheaper to buy a cheap computer every 2 years.
It may make a sense to some but I enjoy having my nas backup and separate media PC. Also if Amazon goes down you can't even access the calculator, least with no Internet there are options at home.
Citrix called, they still hold the patent
I have a linuxbox with decent hardware that i can squeeze 4 years out of still, a steamdeck, and steamframes soon. I'll be good for quite a while, long enough to ride out the AI-slop bubble.
No.
It never was a thing that was kept quiet..
He so damn trash
Why would i do this, motherfucker ?
this guy -- who also runs a film studio right now streaming a TV series about an adaptation of a video game of a postwar dystopia -- literally wanting to replace PCs with his own ROBCO terminals.
And the unprecedented destruction of privacy will be used to detect people who need help (read: about to become a murderer/commit suicide etc etc) and provide the required help to them, right?
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as someone that married a reptilian looking person(her wife with mara-o-lago face), he sure says alot.
I'll go back to cooper wound nails if I have to
Oh, it seems that in the future books will become popular.
So, he wants us to pay to suck his tit?
Most of us already are, when you consider how much Amazon hosts.
his roided up tit.
If China wants to win against these assholes, all they have to do is help develop open alternatives to TSML and ASML and not invade Taiwan so these assholes have to bear the brunt of the AI bubble.
amazon uplink terminal;
elon can't keep his mouth shut, but looks like they're all psychos...
Isn't this what Google did with chrome os and chromebooks?
I already sort of do this with my gaming machine. It lives on a cloud host and I connect with a client.
It’s cheaper and more convenient than buying a new PC - especially since I’ve got three gamers in my house - and offloading graphics means I can get better battery life when playing on my laptop in my hammock.
However, if you’re more than a couple hundred miles from the data center or there’s network problems you won’t be having much fun. That’s the only reason I’d want an actual gaming machine, and even then I’d play via remote desktop from my hammock.
The latency from using steam link or moonlight in my house drives me insane. I don't know how anybody doesn't hate cloud gaming solutions
I’ve been pleasantly surprised. Even on WiFi with other peoples streaming it’s good enough to play games like Minecraft and Subnautica, but since I mainly play boring stuff like KSP or Civ latency isn’t much of an issue.
What I won’t do is tell you who my provider is because they’re already having problems at peak times and I don’t want to make it worse.
You need at minimum an ethernet or wifi adapter and a processor and a GPU to decode video and push pixels to the screen. You need effectively a local PC to rent a remote PC
Boosteroid? Yes, it's great.
Amazon Luna? No, it's a joke.
As for renting a whole machine, unnecessary unless you need a server.
Terry Davis was right...
Edit: For anyone that don't know : https://youtu.be/3HD43lvNvCA?t=2084 He was mentally unwell but he called it !
Aren't people basically already doing this? There are lots of people who only have their phone and maybe a tablet, and for basically everything that might actually require computing power (i.e. photo editing) they end up using a web app or something.
Yeah, web apps are like that, that's why I'm dropping them (alongside with Electron apps) as soon as possible. Currently in the process of writing a DAP plugin for KATE, so I can have a nice GUI debugger on Linux without having to use VSlop Code.
What's wrong with VSCode? There's an open source version (codium) which works just as well for me.
Tried it, still has the pitfalls of many Electron apps.
I'm also using codium, can you say what the problems with electron apps are? Other than some dependency issues I ran into (but I was on Arch so it was probably my fault), I don't know about problems with electron.
Electron apps consume a lot of RAM and CPU clockcycles relative to native apps. Less annoying on a fast desktop PC, but moreso on a laptop, especially less powerful ones.
I'm sure he celebrates the soaring cost of DIMMs as they drive PC prices out of reach.
I think we've mostly done that already. Pretty much everything we use runs in "the cloud" and most things we use locally don't require any compute power. Pretty much all you need is a bit of RAM to run the browser.
Problem is if you want solid build quality and a nice keyboard and trackpad, etc. you can't get that without a PC with a $1000 processor shoehorned into it.
Though this is all motivated by capitalistic expansion, it's also worth noting that liberals have been trying to eliminate the dissent facilitated through online activism and information campaigns for a few years now. Ownership over our PCs means that there can always be an internet operated and monitored by us.
edit: Pretty sure some of you don't know what liberalism is.
People complaining about ram and GPU prices don't know how to make a budget.
It's just skill issue, not a plan for our technomaniac overlords to take away our technology from our hands
From a different perspective, renting a pc and having a thin client would be a lot better for the environment and cheaper for the consumer.
Sadly I don’t think that’s the goal of these companies
Working class will immediately start renting PC to show everyone how rich they are 🤣🤣