Spyke
Dogiedog64reply
lemmy.world

No, that's getting pushed up in the schedule. It's happening NOW!

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Yes. Linux usage is the highest it's ever been, and rising. Linux Mandate of Heaven, Microsoft Century of Humiliation.

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scintillareply
crust.piefed.social

I genuinely think last year was the "year of the Linux desktop" and will likely be looked at that way in the future. I know multiple people IRL who have moved to it not because they couldn't use 11 but because they were fed up with all of the nonsense from Microsoft.

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I'm one of them. I've dabbled before, but never stuck with it. Then I had a ton of issues with Windows 11, but the straw that broke the camel's back was seeing a Copilot button in fucking Notepad.

Now I'm on EndeavourOS, and it genuinely feels like a more user-friendly experience. So congrats, Microsoft. You're not even the "just works" option anymore.

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ag10nreply
lemmy.world

Be a part of the solution, do you have Linux installed on your personal computer?

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Technusreply
lemmy.zip

Sloppysoft or Microslop?

Debating which word to add to my lexicon this year.

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lemmy.today

I'd be down with both, but my heart is with Microslop. Keeping the first six letters the same really gears the listener up to hear "microsoft" before pulling the rug out from under 'em

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lemmy.world

Yes, Microslop is the clear choice here. If you say "sloppysoft" no one will have any idea what you're talking about.

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Just remember that that the Micro is Microcomputer in Microcomputer Software, and then it's okay

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But there's also a different betwen being sloppy and creating slop.

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Sloppysoft sounds like a euphemism. Ima go with microslop...shit that also sounds like a euphemism!

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k0e3reply
lemmy.ca

Either way it sounds like the worst penis.

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aussie.zone

"We need to get beyond the arguments of slop vs sophistication," Nadella laments, emphasizing hopes that society will become more accepting of AI, or what Nadella describes as "cognitive amplifier tools." "...and develop a new equilibrium in terms of our “theory of the mind” that accounts for humans being equipped with these new cognitive amplifier tools as we relate to each other."

There's that word 'hope' again. It seems to be the main driving force behind a.i. implementation.

Also, I think "cognitive real-time amplifier product" makes for a better acronym.

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Given that he talks like an LLM trained exclusively on MBA bullshit, he’s only adding to the problem.

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LordMayorreply
piefed.social

Talk about putting the cart before the fucking horse.

Calling them “cognitive amplifier tools” doesn’t make them “cognitive amplifier tools”. They’ve yet to show that they do anything of the sort.

Spitting out some basic code that probably has to be edited anyway is not a “cognitive amplifier tool”.

Generating smooth skinned avatars with questionable anatomy is not a “cognitive amplifier tool”.

Writing creepy, repetitive prose is not a “cognitive amplifier tool”.

Hell, the term “cognitive amplifier tool” is just nonsense anyway. For fuck’s sake, I hate these people.

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k0e3reply
lemmy.ca

That term really creeped me out. It's so cringey to a point that it scares me. Delusional asshole.

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He probably had copilot write his speech for him. As a CEO he is naturally self centered and is projecting his own lack of ability onto everyone else.

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Almaccareply
aussie.zone

They hope that's what they'll become. Spoiler: they won't. You amplify your cognition by using it, not relegating it to a dumb computer.

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They don't even need to do that. They just need the general population to believe that they're "cognitive amplifier tools". If you say something enough times, eventually people will start believing it even if it isn't true.

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programming.dev

There's that word 'hope' again. It seems to be the main driving force behind a.i. implementation.

"Hope is the worst of evils, for it prolongs the torment of man." - Friedrich Nietzsche

Dude's gonna be disappointed when it's still called slop because people recognize it as slop

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Huh, it's for some reason put against.it as a URL in your message - which it turns out it's a valid URL... But costs £4000/year to buy

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I've never heard Satya Nadella say a single thing that wasn't just buzzword garbage. He's like a human slop-generating machine. Maybe that's why he can't recognize AI slop when he sees it.

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lemmy.world

The "hope" is that they will make shitloads of money from gullible dipshits buying their bullshit.

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Almaccareply
aussie.zone

That's more of a bet, which is the other word I keep seeing used about a.i.'s financial prospects. More or less the same thing though, so yeah.

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Almaccareply
aussie.zone

Refer to the second sentence above. But I guess, with a bet, there's money involved. Hope doesn't specifically require that.

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In other words, hope isn't necessarily a bet but a bet is always a hope. Which was my point.

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If it sounds like a duck and looks like a duck, I’m calling it a duck.

Once it stops being slop, I’ll stop calling it what it is.

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lemmy.zip

If you don't want it to be slop, don't grind culture into a slurry, run half the worlds electricity through it, all for it to generate child porn. Actually fuck off.

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lemmy.world

Will you then pay for my next RAM purchase? Because it is your fault that prices have skyrocketed.

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Nikeluireply
lemmy.world

It's mostly NVIDIA and OpenAI fault, if you want to be honest.

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lemmy.world

No. I blame the users for creating a market by using it. If no one was interested in that bullshit, then that industry would have collapsed 2-3 years ago. There will always be psychopaths with "business ideas" that do fuck all for this planet or the living beings roaming on it. Can't prevent that. But the general masses enabling them? That's definitely on every single one of them.

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zurohkireply
aussie.zone

The market isn't growing due to demand, though. AI is being pushed by businesses and investors hoping that demand will appear in the future. They're burning through tons of cash, not growing naturally due to user interest.

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If everyone was completely boycotting this machine learning bullshit, they wouldn't stand a chance pushing it. Apps "offering" LLM bullshit? Use other software.

Support chat forces chatbot on you? Call them by the number on the imprint. And if that doesn't work - send them a letter with a notice period to respond.

"Vibe coders" submitting pull requests? Tell them to shove their plagiarism where the sun don't shine.

I have not had to use LLM snake oil even once to date, and I don't plan on accepting it anywhere. Ig everyone did that, the "technology" would have been dead on arrival.

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jj4211reply
lemmy.world

While it's true that some demand is related, the vast vast majority of the spend is speculative on what AI might be and assuming that if it manages to be the thing of their dreams, it will demand exponentially more resources than the current LLM slop.

They are spending this money without clear indication that the demand they want is there. For example, OpenAI at one point claimed that, by now, businesses would be paying them $50k/year for a single 'instance' of LLM, good for equivalent to one human headcount.

They are currently betting that at some point, they'll effectively fix the lack of actual reasoning (a number of AI enthusiasts will claim that AI can have an entirely distinct thing from any reasoning we have ever known but still call it reasoning, which is a pretty stupid cop out). And/or they'll translate this reliably to robotics (so far this has ended up being pretty elusive, investors assumed the same fake language that passes for executive-speak means it could apply to menial manual labor, but it hasn't worked yet).

But yeah, refraining from using these services would deflate the expectations more quickly, enough people toying around with it sparks the imagination of what the execs think they can get for it...

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I understand your reasoning, but I disagree - I am sure that if 90% of people to whom "AI" was marketed would react with a "fuck off with that bullshit", they wouldn't ever have gotten the funding they have to begin with.

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lemmy.world

It's your fault for using that shit and contributing to its widespread acceptance, thereby inflating the bubble. And you are therefore responsible for the consequences, among which completely unrelated people lose lots of money. If only that was the worst of it.

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lemmy.world

By your logic, when you give your vote to a fascist party, and they proceed to win the election and turn your country into a fascist dictatorship, then that is also not your fault.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Fascists: "We don't like to be Called fascists!"

AI companies: "We don't like our slop created from stolen content to be called slop!"

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The "slop" refers to the flood of low quality "content". Therefore fixing people calling your stuff slop is simple, at least in theory.

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fedia.io

It’s not the general public’s fault that AI was released before it was ready for prime time. It’s not like the word “slop” was picked out of a hat, either. AI earned the word with its laughably bad output.

I’ll make the CEO a deal, though. If AIs stop producing slop, I won’t call it slop anymore.

Microsoft Copilot is the tip of the spear for the firm, powered entirely by ChatGPT and Microsoft's savvy early investments in OpenAI.

“Savvy”? Really? I think it’s years too early to make that assessment.

Indeed, in closing, Nadella seems to admit that AI doesn't truly have "societal permission" right now, referencing widespread backlash and mockery that continues to dog the technology.

What kind of “permission” is he looking for? Permission to steal and ignore copyright? Permission to build untold numbers of data centers and do vast environmental damage? Permission to lie and sell a substandard product? He probably wants all three, and more.

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The permission he's talking about is being seen as cool or normal. This whole thing is him whining that we think his loser product that causes more problems than it solves is a loser product that causes more problems than it solves

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I think he's trying to do the bullshit of creating a sense that people who utilize GPT systems are somehow repressed class in some fashion. I don't think that the term about cognitive amplification is intended to truly mean that, so much as create the sense that if you aren't treating it like that output is equal that somehow you're being judgmental unfairly.

Basically he doesn't want output from those things to be graded on an equal playing field with stuff that wasn't created that way, because he knows it fucking fails.

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So stop calling the slop slop?

Gee I dunno, maybe start by making an OS that isn’t so sloppy.

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mander.xyz

Oh, the same CEO that has systematically ruined everything the company has ever made? The same CEO that does not even have a path to profit for AI? The same CEO that admitted that they don't know how their own products really work anymore? The same one?

The CEO wants us to do a thing, and based on how they are actively pushing everything towards total clown town, I think it is in our best interest to do the opposite of what that slop CEO asks.

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Aceticonreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Yeah, the title of the article might as well be "Microsoft's Satya Nadella wants you to stop pointing out that his entire management 'strategy' for Microsoft is a complete total shit show akin to punching holes on a boat below the waterline whilst claiming the thus lighter hull will make it go faster"

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M0oP0oreply
mander.xyz

I always wonder if CEOs are like this because they live in a bubble of never being told off. They always come off as being the most out of touch, insane people that have the worst takes. Could that be due to spending most of their time around people that always do what they say?

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I reckon it's just them doing cold calculating analyses towards the objective of "keeping on suckling from the golden tit" - shame is something that detracts from personal upside maximization when saying something shamelessly self-serving will support one's own continued opportunities to make money, even if just a little bit: if claiming their work is really, truly, visionary stuff rather than the inept, uncoordinated actions of the incompetent might get them a few more months and a few more millions whilst saying no such things is certain to deliver no such gains, then the cold calculating analysis yields the logical conclusion than doubling down on bullshit is a better option than not doing so.

(I mean, this is the whole culture of both Politics and Tech "Entrepreneurship" nowadays: Keep on spewing self-serving bullshit until by some lucky happenstance something purely by chance goes right for you and you make it, or fail, either way cashing in for as long as you can keep the whole building of smoke & mirrors standing)

I expect this applies just as much when they're being checked out for possible hiring into such well paid positions (i.e. their version of "job interview") as it does in claiming that piss is in fact gold whilst defending their own actions as CEOs in order to keep on getting paid millions for what they themselves know is competence in producing a grand show of smoke and mirrors rather than of the managerial kind, so it's a natural process that keeps on delivering such people to such positions where they do such a shitty job whilst claiming that what they really are is misunderstood visionaries.

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Striderreply
lemmy.world

But line went up so by financial standards he is very successful.

(yes, I hate it too and it should be changed)

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jj4211reply
lemmy.world

Which is the whole think of enshitification. Doing something that produces actual value for society? That's nice, might be somewhat rewarded. Manage to exploit whatever you have done to extract revenue any possible exploitative way? That's going to be way more rewarded.

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Indeed, I was just pointing it out as the higher level cause since this is what needs to be fixed.

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It's hard to avoid right now, particularly if you're a user of Microsoft ecosystem products.

Solution:

Windows -> Linux
Office 365 -> Libreoffice to replace most of Office 365 and to replace Outlook consider Thunderbird or Seamonkey
Edge/Chrome -> Firefox or a fork of Firefox.

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lemmy.world

What are they going to do in 5 years when the internet is 99% slop? How will then train the models then? Will we be forever stuck with 2025-2026 models because there isnt enough new human content to train on?

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lemmy.zip

Money line go up in the short term. Who cares if they're creating a hallucinating slop ouroboros that will ruin the internet for the foreseeable future? That's the next CEO's problem!

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The Chinese models are way ahead of this, training smartly and frugally instead of on a huge quantity. They don’t really need more internet to work fine as tools.

…And they share data with each other, and ignore copyright. Seemingly. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Chinese govt is providing a lot of data to them.

Also, it turns out multilingual training works very well. So even if the English internet turns to slop, other languages may fare better.

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What about this coherent answer that I am composing for you? Clearly ten mice brains carefully placed over silicone chips can compute prime numbers much faster than 20 undergrads ever could. So who fo you want in your laptop? Ten rats, just more Pentium, 20 undergrads, or windows 25?

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Brilliant. This will definitely work. I'm sure no one will call it slop anymore. /s

What a fuckin' idiot.

Good job, Satya, no one you pay will call it slop in front of you. That's all you accomplished, but I doubt anyone was anyway. The rest of the world will now call it slop just as often, if not more often, to spite your stupid face.

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He's a moron. There is a reason why people call it slop. Because it's fucking slop.

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lemmy.world

May I suggest an innovative approach to this challenge that will optimize the objective of the CEO to not ascertain that his product is shit. The guillotine

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Neutering seems effective at calming down most animals. Maybe that should be tried first? We can always take his head off if it doesn't work out.

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Thank you for your generative concept we will have a teams meeting to review

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The funny bit is that in this specific case proper application of a guillotine would actually yield more shareholder value in the mid and long term than letting things be as they are.

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Likely they realise that the more it's called slop, the more it will be rejected by customers. Similar to how if I see a Hallmark movie, I skip. Most people will learn to avoid ai. Some will be fine with it. However, probably not those with any taste or influence, not the marketers desirable audience.

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feddit.dk

I just setup a new laptop. Straight from the store, never been turned on before.

First thing in the Windows installation is a step called "something went wrong". Not even kidding.

MS is slop, with or without AI.

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Gsus4reply
mander.xyz

The first thing I did was install linux (alongside). About a year later, the windows died on me without warning and irrecoverably. I guess I Should have wiped windows in first place.

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This PC wasn't for myself. The user only needs it for webmail and other browser stuff, but still insisted on it having Windows and MS office.

It seems to work fine now, but I guess I will see it again soon enough.

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Love that about all the big names. My father always buys Apple stuff, because "it just works™". Gave me his old iPad, I tried to factory reset it the official way. Didn't work, didn't give me any clue why it did not work, because "that just never happens". In the end some Linux command line magic and a cable did the trick 😂. Such work, much wow.

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sh.itjust.works

It’s so cool that all the richest assholes in America simultaneously fell for the same ponzi scheme and instead of figuring it out they’re spending their time trying to convince everyone else that they don’t

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Sabin10reply
lemmy.world

Did they fall for it or did they see a way to fleece investors for billions?

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It's because of their massive investment into data centers. They're spending billions of dollars on them and they're expecting people to rejoice, not call them slop.

If we keep calling them slop, we might make their investors sweat a little. I think it's time to double down.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

And I would love it if Mr. Nadella stopped working for a company whose name perfectly describes his genitals.

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korazailreply
lemmy.myserv.one

I admire the one person so far who down-voted this because... it's not nice to body-shame, especially about something that isn't in your control, such as penis size.

That said... I approve of this message. Satya Nadella can fuck right off with his tiny penis. I can't post it here because it's NSFW, but I have image evidence that Mr Nadella has a very, very small penis. I asked Copilot to show me, so I know it's accurate.

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Agreed fully. It definitely isn't nice to shame anyone for having a small penis. I just like saying it because I know he's the sort of person who would get really, really pissed off by it. :-)

This image, though... part of me wants to look it up, but part of me knows I wouldn't be able to go back from that.

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lemmy.world

The rest of his remarks sound like the evil ramblings of a madman.

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Let's make a deal: they stop creating/enabling it, we stip calling it.

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Even if they burnt the whole planet to have a more accurate slop, I'd still call that "slop" in 2026. And the years after.

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lemmy.world

Oh. And I have a new community to subscribe to, thanks.

Though TBH I haven’t used Qwen much recently, mostly because GLM is very good and MoEs run so well with hybrid inference now.

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oh umm.... well.... ur gona be disappointed,,.. that community - weeellll...... its nothing special, i made it for funzies mostly and moated some dum stuff on there.... have a look at that stuff first.,... i....,... wouldnt recommend it-

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sh.itjust.works

Too bad I haven't used Microsoft products for the past 15 years. Slop slop slop...

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This has to be the most pathetic thing I've ever read. A CEO just asking people to stop saying mean things about the garbage he's pushing out.

It's just so pathetic. I'd be embarrassed if I were affiliated with his company in any way.

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Notepad now has copilot integrated, autosaves, and preserves formatting by default.

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lemmy.today

Im going into YouTube videos that are obvious ai slop and commenting about how its Ai slop.

You would be surprised how many people dont know they are watching Ai voices. They post things like "amazing wisdom" on Ai generated videos about Christianity.

These people are watching machines expressing how much they care about God. Fun times.

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lemmy.wtf

A cyberpunk style, tech-worshipping doomsday cult doesn’t sound too far fetched these days.

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vote for me and I'll make it illegal for CEOs to make public statements.

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If corporations are people, shouldn’t creating/generating CSAM be enough to receive some sort of punishment/consequence?

How many teenage girls have killed themselves due to bullying facilitated by “AI”?

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lemmy.ml

And here I was thinking that AI provides MS with cover for their sloppy OS bugs and lack of innovation or even bug fixes in their other products (Word's automatically generated table of authorities feature has been a buggy piece of trash since it came out and fixing it is obviously not on the agenda since it is really only used by people like lawyers; let's not even get into the random behavior that occurs when pasting or moving images).

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Paying an engineer to fix bugs costs too much. Better make an AI and train it on our code so it can fix the bugs learn to make the bugs elsewhere too.

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What’s that, Mr Microslop man? How about fixing the crap you call your products first, before telling others what words they can or cannot use

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Dear Satya: We're still gonna call it "AI slop", whether you like it or NOT. Oh and all your wealth should be given to the poor and pious. Seriously!

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On this news alone, I will cease use of the word 'slop' in any scenario....... Except where it will be mandatory in and sentence, question or response about MicroSlop.

(Eww, MicroSlop sounds disgusting too).

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Well shit, when I give it clear instructions it just up and forgets, instead making up its own reality what SHOULD we call it?

6

And it reminds me of his fling with the "Metaverse" of previous years — another tech buzzword buried in the graveyard of overhype alongside things like NFTs and LaserDisc.

I was with you until you hated on LaserDisc. In the years before DVD existed it was the best quality home video available. Yes, it was expensive, but it did something people wanted with no other substitute apart from having your own cinema grade 35mm projector, sound system, and access to 35mm (or 70mm for that matter) print of a movie.

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If you believe their own proud statistics for how much of the codebase is already generated, it is slop

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I thought maybe it was some at least vague acknowledgement of the LLMs need to get better to stop being called slop...

Nope, it was that society needs to get over it... I don't understand why he thought that would be the approach to try to endear AI with the general populace...

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lemmy.world

The statement is probably true, but the only quote in the article that mentions “slop” doesn’t really support the headline’s claim:

”We need to get beyond the arguments of slop vs sophistication,” Nadella laments, emphasizing hopes that society will become more accepting of AI, or what Nadella describes as "cognitive amplifier tools." ”...and develop a new equilibrium in terms of our “theory of the mind” that accounts for humans being equipped with these new cognitive amplifier tools as we relate to each other.”

The article makes a lot of solid points about the AI hype bubble that Nadella is promoting in his year-end LinkedIn post, but it doesn’t seem like he was actually calling for people to stop using the term “slop.”

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gustofwindreply
lemmy.world

“Cognitive amplifier tools” meanwhile they literally make you stupid

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cognitive amplifier tools

I think I threw up in my mouth a little

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cant believe how long i put up with MS's bullshit before finally just never booting it at all anymore.

being on team penuin is nice, as i dont typically need to worry about anything this bozo might say :)

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Hang on everybody… I have to think about this. I think maybe I wanna do what he says. I mean, he's gotta be a genius cause he's a ceo, so how could his advice (demands) be wrong?

He's right. AI bullshit is fucking magic.

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You mean I shouldn't replace every instance of Ai in my sentences with slop?.

The funny thing is, I just did.

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Then stop making AI that churns out slop. Or, if that's too hard, stop shoving AI down our throat!

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hopes that society will become more accepting of AI, or what Nadella describes as "cognitive amplifier tools."

Ok well this is a simple train of cause and effect that even Mr Nadella should be able to understand.

Make an actual tool that is so damn good and so universally useful that early adopters who pay attention would consider calling it a "cognitive amplifier."

Keep in mind that I have seen the term "second brain" used for note taking apps, usually easy to use and sync between devices. (I'm using AnyType free)

That is how poorly the "market" views your "tech demo with a price tag" product! It loses the brain title to a small collection of conveniently stored text files. Congratulations.

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Slop is slop, but now I'll be less critical in my evaluation of AI output and more willing to call something slop I might not have otherwise. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Dude just needs to admit he loves slop like the greedy little piggy he is.

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Latest version of FireFox already uses AI for tab suggestions. Privacy concern much?

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Cool, he can push it more to PCs and make me happier with my Macs. (Our computers at work run Windows 11 Enterprise, they miss a lot of this shit. A recent update blocked Copilot and I'm okay with that.)

That said, I fucked around a bit with Copilot at work and I think it's interesting? I don't trust it but I've asked it a few dumb questions when I was bored.

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I bet they'd like me stop calling windows shit too. Not gonna happen

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lemmy.world

Too bad. It is slop. All versions of it are crappy, stupid, and give erroneous answers to even the most obviously simple questions.

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It's nice to want things.

I want him to shut his gaping yaphole, neither one of us is happy. Life is suffering

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lemmy.world

We call it what it is and it's REALLY easy to see what's AI slop and what is real art worth looking at .

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Of course, not just art, the flood of video and text content that just makes so much of the internet even more useless and unfulfilling than it already was..

I guess the good news is that the youtube format stuff being pretty much ruined has broke me of the habit of consuming it more than I should and back to actually decent content...

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