Military service will reportedly no longer classify 'divisive' swastika as 'hate' symbol
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What IS a fucking hate symbol then????
LGBTQ and trans flags
The American flag.
Flown properly, the American flag can be,
That is the farthest thing from a hate symbol you could find.
An upside down national flag is a sign of distress which means you care enough about your nation to consider the current moment as an aboration from the norm.
I don't know if the swastikas adorning the flag are meant as a sign of respect though
No they're intentional disrespect implying the us is in distress because of nazi-esk authoritarianism and xenophobia.
I must be Peacemaker, I missed that
I don't know if the stand up sign in front is a response, or they are meant to be shown jointly. But either way, you're right. Have to care about a place to admit when it's in distress, which we currently are.
It's a work in progress.
I added the Faux Nooz sign after someone tried to paint over the flag. I caught them mid-day painting over it with white paint. My short but heated conversation with them indicated they were watching WAY to much propaganda. I always escalate when confronted.
I changed the stars.
Yeah that still means you care enough about the country to go out of your way to say it's in distress and why.
Yes, I care and I'm doing SOMETHING.
So it's not hate it's love for your country enough that you spent time and money on paint to make a statement about it.
Could anyone explain the significance of the flipped ATV and mannequin legs sticking up in front of the flag? The message is lost on me.
The ATV was already there. I purchased it USED from the local Polaris dealer for about half price ($3,000). I make the mistake of buying it in the winter when I could not use it for what I bought it for. In the spring I discovered that it had no power to go over 10 mph. I went back to the dealer and he said "Your 3 month guarantee is up". I then tried rebuilding the carb for this altitude, I rodded the muffler to make sure it was not restricted, I then did a compression test that showed me the piston and cylinder were shot. The Polaris dealer refused to refund my money so I put it in the front yard and turned it upside down. It looked a bit "dark" to me so I added some legs sticking out. The local police were friends with the Polaris dealer so the Chief of Police came to my house and told me I had to remove it. He said it was a "distraction" and he would blame ME if there was a car accident nearby. The next day I took an ad out in the local paper "ATV Art for sale by leading ATV artist. Police say "It has to go" so my loss is your gain. Price reduced from $54,000.00 down to $12,345.67."
A person in town offered to help me. He also had a run in with the police here. The deal was he would write a check to BUY the art BUT the "Art" had to stay there. My part was to not cash the check but to show the police that I did sell it but the condition of the sale is it cannot move. So the Police now get to decide if I am in business or not. So there it stays.
The Faux Nooz sign I added after someone tried to paint over my flag IN BROAD DAYLIGH. The short conversation I had with them indicated they were getting way too much propaganda so it seems like a work in progress
thank you for your service
Faux news.
According to these Nazis.
I think I was trying to suggest something about the duality of man, sir.
A peace sign
Soon the peace gesture with your 2 fingers will be considered an ANTIFA symbol and warrant immediate deportation.
How about half a peace sign?
That's also an Antifa sign to show displeasure, but it's more offensive, so they just shoot you dead.
The Mexican flag, probably.
A rainbow swastika (for whatever the fuck reason that would ever exist), that is where the line is it seems.
Until I see it from an alternate source, I'm calling bullshit on this one. It sounds like bullshit.
It’s real but getting rolled back
https://apnews.com/article/coast-guard-swastikas-nooses-hate-symbols-policy-43b1ff282da18694184ff20ff8ce7c4a
Combine this policy with declaring anti-fascists as terrorists, and I think a pattern is emerging here.
Oh for a moment there I was beginning to doubt the direction of USA.
Well I guess it's still full steam ahead to dismantle democracy and introduce an authoritarian dictatorship.
Ah, a potentially divisive hand gesture, inscrutable, controversial and puzzling. What on Earth could it mean?
He's just really happy to be here
Twice!
Brief anecdote. In school, we used to draw swastikas on everything in order to get others in trouble or to make ourselves seem like assholes. At no point did we consider what we were doing ok, it was just kids riding the edge of something they couldn’t understand for the sake of ignominy. Even we, as ignorant as we were, recognized that the swastika was a hate symbol and thoroughly unacceptable, we were, again, just assholes.
I’ve been saying this quite a lot but this culture war bodes poorly.
On a similar tangent, I find hilarity in poorly drawn swastikas - or to use an entertaining but horrendously ablest term, a spastika.
I make no apology for equating the sort of dickhead that scrawls this shit everywhere in adult life with the sort of clueless fuckwit that tests sockets with a fork, and couldn't pour water out of a boot even if the instructions were on the soles.
I don't often like punching down on the lesser-intellectual folk (mainly because I'm dumb as rocks for 23 hours of the day myself) but this is one of the few times I enjoy the opportunity.
Damn been awhile since I've thought about a good old Hale Hortler. Thanks for reminding me that while I might be stupid I at least am better than these fuckwits.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNTIED STATES IS CALLING FOR LAWMAKERS TO BE EXECUTED FOR UPHOLDING THE LAW! WTF IS GOING TO BE DONE ABOUT THIS SHIT?
NOTHING AT ALL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE EITHER CONTENT WITH THIS OR TOO COWARDLY TO DO ANYTHING!
Take a broom up to the hill and sweep up.
Following the double negative rule: Anti Anti Fascists leaves you with
Fascists
The USA is dropping the mask for all the world to see.
AND STILL PEOPLE ARE ACTING LIKE EVERYTHING IS NORMAL! AT THIS POINT I WANT TO SEE MASS PANIC SO I KNOW I'M NOT CRAZY! AND I'M IN CANADA, I WANT MASS PANIC IN CANADA! I AT LEAST WANT THIS SHIT TAKEN SERIOUSLY ENOUGH THAT CANADIANS STOP FUCKING GOING TO THE STATES AS IF EVERYTHING IS NORMAL!
It would be nice if Canadians would also stop voting for politicians who lead Canada in the same direction as the USA. We need to turn left, not right.
@floofloof @FreshParsnip
I wish Canadians would realise they are voting for the same policies, but all the newspapers are owned by a Republican American, and they dont know.
I've voted against conservatives in every election for 25 years and not once had the person I voted for won.
I'm WELL aware but feel absolutely powerless to do anything about it and since I'm not a god damned millionaire or even own my own business, no one gives a flying fuck about my opinions. And it's always the conservative party that wins.
@Jarix
Fair Vote Canada works hard against just that. That exactly. Making each and every vote matter in the legislature.
They work for very popular prortional representation.
Canada
https://www.fairvote.ca/
In the UK
https://electoral-reform.org.uk/support-for-proportional-representation-hits-record-high-according-to-new-research/
In the states you'll have to find a state organization. Many states looking. Alaska put in a runoff system and successfully removed a famous unrepresentative pol.
Proportional voting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional/_representation
You’re literally claiming the opposite of what Fairvote Canada does.
Thank you, I'll take a look.
When JT win and promised FPTP would end, then IMMEDIATELY turned 180 on it was my last straw of hope. Now my vote just feels like an absolute waste and a kick in the nuts. But I'll keep voting, I don't even know why but I recognize it as the absolute least of effort a citizen should do if they want to be a part of the place they belong.
It just sucks how much money matters more than anything else
@Jarix
We must insist on proportional voting.
Be nice if someone could offer an actual choice.
We can’t stop voting for conservatives to stop the Conservatives(TM) from getting power. We’re dumb as hell for that.
When you you hit rock bottom at America's level we'll have an ice cold imported beer ready for you and you can pull up a chair with us around the destructive bonfire immolating western civilization. We've got hot dogs and everything. I know you dont love us right now but in a weird twist Americans are still big fans of Canada.
I think I read that American approval of Canadians is 94% while simultaneously two thirds of Canadians not only dont trust the US but feel like they can never trust us again.
Nope, we'rs not. But I, like many people, am in a marginalized/bum-fuck town. So, my opinion doesn't matter until the polls open. We voted against this evil, and we will again. But, our government wants to embrace the evil.
We can see it wants to. We don't want it to. But, most of us don't matter to the government. We're not big-dollar donors, so our politicians will ignore us. They've minimalized most people so all that we can do is vote against it.
But, with where the Overton window is, we have one party running with regular evil while the other suggests a diet version of evil.
With how dried up tourism is, it would seem like they're already doing it. Yet, the government is still going down this path. So, it's not that big of an impact.
The reason I want Canadians to stop going to the states isn't to help the states, it's to protect Canadians. But I would also like to help the states if I knew how
You say that, but the US is full of people still just going about their business. The country is operating fairly normally, all things considered, and the best you’ve got are sanctioned protests that are great for showing that people don’t love the situation but aren’t actually doing anything that couldn’t be responded to with an AI video of king Trump shit bombing everyone. Oh, and a Californian conservative who makes memes mocking Trump but is himself pretty shit.
Maybe for a nation of cowards this is action, but really it’s just sad. You’re taking it lying down, and half of you are even fighting to make sure that ya’ll get completely fucked.
personally, I'm trans and I'm just trying to survive while I build an exit plan. damn right I'm laying down - I'm laying low.
Right?
Like, the best thing a member of a loathed and marginalized community can do is to have an escape plan. They're foaming at the mouth with rage and drooling at the opportunity for a hated group to put up an ounce of resistance so they can round them up for the camps. What kind of opposition can one transgender person in a one bedroom at night put up against an armed SWAT team?
It'll be someone else's job to resist with an organized force. The trick isn't surviving long enough to be rescued from Auschwitz. The trick is knowing when and how to get away before Auschwitz becomes a thing.
I want America to revolt too, at the same time it's a bit much to ask considering people will die if it happens. Really, my anger and frustration is more directed at congress and the Supreme Court, the people who are supposed to be responsible for protecting America from this sort of thing.
They don’t need to start shooting, but they do need to take it seriously. For fuck’s sake not every problem needs to be solved by violence but every problem does need to be solved by people giving a shit at least. Meanwhile there are still hordes of people in the US just pretending like nothing is all that wrong.
Agreed but I'm not sure what normal citizens can do. They can vote in the midterms but I fear Trump will rig that. Short of violence, I guess a general strike is the best option.
At this point I’d literally take just seeing more people actually caring and fewer people “not being political”. Caring about politics is not a niche interest. You don’t have to be an expert but the lack of comprehension around the subject all over the world, especially in places like the US and Canada where information is so easy to find, is fucking insane to me.
It would be sick if we could throw out the idea that this isn’t fucking Star Wars and we don’t need to take Conservatives seriously as the only other option outside of the centrists to get some kind of light-side/dark-side balance.
Because we aren't important enough for politicians to pay attention to. Our calls just go straight into an answering machine that gets ignored because we're not big-dollar donors like Musk. Musk probably has a direct line.
Yeah. We are in poverty. We have had stagnant wages for like 40 years, but rampent inflation. This is the second gilded age like it was in the 20s and earlier. The rich have everything and direct lines to politicians, and the poor need 3 gig jobs and a regular job just to afford rent and food. In a work heap like this, we need foreknowledge to schedule our protests around. We can't afford the privilege of just taking off and protesting.
Again, you're conflating poverty and desperation in a backdrop of political corruption as aquiesence.
Sure, but why do so many people in the US jot even seem to be aware of what’s happening? Why are things still happening like this is just a rainy day and not a biblical flood?
I’m not going to ask for violence specifically but from the outside looking in it’s like most of the country doesn’t even know that anything particularly bad is happening.
Honestly, I understand why my parents aren't even panicking, the country we lived in before coming to the US, also had random arbitary policy changes, so... this just feels normal to them, authoritarianism is normal to them.
Any Canadian (or other nationality) still going to the Fourth Reich voluntarily is admitting that they support fascism.
The mask had been poorly held up for ages, people just chose to believe them 'cos Russia bad.
USAs dream of being USA is taking shape. Never forget the Nazis took notes from US playbook.
Manifesting American values in its true form
https://www.thestoryoftexas.com/discover/texas-story-project/el-paso-holocaust-influence
Please put an NSFW tag on that image, it can get you in trouble if you accidentally show it in public in many countries, for good reason.
Threatening racial lynchings is "potentially divisive" but not hateful, apparently. I guess there are very fine people on both sides of the white supremacist lynchings debate.
Already reversed.
https://www.jta.org/2025/11/21/united-states/after-outrage-coast-guard-says-it-will-continue-to-define-swastikas-as-hate-symbols
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics)
Thank goodness. Please don't let the world flip inside-out.
but now MAGA can't enlist...
I know its a drama we're past by now but I can't help but think about the people who defended Platner with the line "the military would have stopped him if it was really a Nazi tattoo." Because most of us knew that in fact they would not, and now they have put it in writing.
Platner said that the marines actually rejected his reenlistment for having
death's headforearm tattoos (even though he says got it while in the marines and that it was a common tattoo for marines to have) so he had to join the army out desperation. He really was determined to go back over there and kill more brown people.But I thought he didn't know what it was? So he thought they rejected his reenlistement because of a regular skull tattoo?
Sketchy af
He was in the Marines, they aren't known for being particularly bright outside of maybe the specialists, NCOs, and COs. They ain't called America's greatest crayon eaters for nothing, but hey since the 80s or so theyve diversified their eating habits with MRE wrappers and chemical heaters.
I grew up round Vietnam era army mud boots, I will take any opportunity to bash the Marines.
So then he's not bright enough to serve in Congress. Either he knew, which is bad, or he was too stupid to know, which is also bad.
Why is it that if he's a dumb young 20 he can't gain any intelligence? Why is the line I keep seeing from people "well he didn't know at the time, and that's damning enough", like, do you know anyone who has ever signed up for the military at 18-25 to bd 'smart' or informed?
Would really depend on if he has improved since then, I'm from the opposite side of the county so I don't have too much horse in this race so I am too ignorant to say if he has improved or not. Youd have to do actual research on him and frankly speaking I don't give a damn I just want to make haha Marines stupid jokes.
Can you give a source on that or a general direction on where to look? I've heard about the tattoo and looked into it during the initial controversy and did not find that information at the time.
I must've misread. He actually says the marines rejected him for having visible tattoos on his arm, not the actual skull tattoo.
If you know about MARADMIN, can you elaborate on what he means? I looked it up and understand it as a kind of code of conduct, but don't see what changed in 2007, just that he said a USMC based tattoo was what prevented him.
MARADMIN 198/07
Thank you for this. I gave it a good (confusing) read, they could stand to type in less capitals.
I can see the regulations outlined, but not that he was turned away for it being a known nazi symbol or anything based on that description, it sounds like he got a tattoo without clearing it or reporting it on his paperwork and chose not to appeal, based on his words there in the reddit post.
I appreciate you finding that for me, it was hard to parse all the google garbage
Sorry, that's esoteric military gibberish shit. I have no idea.
Thanks anyway! Yeah military jargon and acronyms out the ass go hand in hand and any manager that's a vet I've worked for just tosses them around like 'sentence enhancers'.
I'm still wondering when time travelers are gonna fix this timeline.
Nazis from the past used the Nazi time machine to travel to the future and destroy our society here in 2025.
I hate how everything about this is makes sense including the fact that if Nazis made a time machine it would just move forward through time at a rate of one day per day.
I've thought about it, and I'm fairly certain that time travelers had to call it quits and agree worldwide to stop it. Like, every outcome was worse than the last. . And, that means that our current trajectory is somehow the least destructive.
Maybe something worse happening in the future has them occupied
Or when the simulation we live in will be declared a failure and we'll get rebooted. Every morning I wake up disappointed.
Yea cause 'muricans organizing and standing up for themselves is certainly not a good idea.
muricans standing up for nazis. Seditious behavior, as the glorious leader would put it. Seems overall very anti-american to me.
Literally the defining symbol for the term 'hate symbol'.
Hey, what's a hate symbol? Oh, you know, like a swatztika. Ohh, right of course, how could I be so fucking dumb? Jesus CHRIST. Dude, calm down, it's-- NO. PUNCH ME IN THE FACE, I'M TRASH.
In the us, the default country ofc
I hate this so much that [email protected], you know the explicitly not-only-US instance, specifically only allows US politics.
wtf
Why would white supremacists see swastikas as hate symbols?
I studied history and have been telling people this for over a decade but most people think I'm batshit crazy.
I live there three years in the 90s. I'm surprised it took this long.
Nazis took inspiration for holocaust from manifest destiny, soo...
Hitler assumed USA was going to join them due to the huge German population amongst other reasons...
For the rest of us, we've seen it coming for about 25 years. And we kept telling you.
You got belligerent and started waving your flags harder.
Now you tell us to "worry about your own country" when we say we told you so.
The ones who say to worry about your country are the ones here who saw this for decades as well and are trying to tell you we see the same shit starting all over the place over seas. If you act like you are above it, the same shit will happen to you all. Alot of us unfortunately didnt fight hard enough when we needed to due to thinking most people here weren't as stupid as they are and we are now pretty much fucked. Don't repeat our mistake thinking you have less idiots in your countries, the rot starts beneath the surface first just because you think you've cleaned the surface doesnt mean the infestation isnt festering below. Don't be like us, be 100 times more proactive.
For context that means a guy like this would now be allowed to serve. They check your tattoos when you come in so this doesn’t qualify as a hate symbol now.
Next thing you know they'll be making this guy Secretary of Defense or something
Clearly the iron cross and confederate flag are allowed already as sad as it is
Of course Nazis don't think the Nazi symbol is a hate symbol.
That would be like me saying the weed leaf image is a hate symbol.
I am all for reclaiming symbols stolen by fascists, but we all know this is absolutely not what they are getting to.
I once didn't shave for weeks on a no-shave November. When I finally shaved I decided to see how I would look like with a toothbrush mustache... and I found that it suited me great! (At least I think it did) but I knew i couldn't have it and I shaved it off.
I wish we could DeNazify that mustache and make it the simple and sometimes whimsical mustache it was in the past.
It would be really great. I HATE shaving that part of my face. Doesn't matter how well I prep or what razor I use. It always hurts. I don't like having facial hair but just that would be tolerable.
The saddest part is that it isn't a Hitler mustache, it's a Charlie Chaplin mustache.
Nazis keep stealing shit, and people keep giving it to them willingly.
What the fuck‽
"Don't you see? Those people find civil rights offensive too! Why don't we just compromise and only call klan hoods "divisive" rather than "hateful." That will solve the issue!"
They have declared that nooses and swatzikas are not hate symbols, time to test that by drawing a picture of a Nazi being hanged I guess
As my high school English teacher once said, "a horse is hung, a person is hanged"
So it's correct to refer to a Nazi being hung then.
Only the ones with huge penises.
"Turn off adblocker or join for $1"
No, fuck you.
Military service will reportedly no longer classify 'divisive' swastika as 'hate' symbol
David McAfee
November 20, 2025 2:49PM ET
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Trump administration insiders are furious over reporting that the U.S. Coast Guard, which is part of the Department of Homeland Security, will no longer classify the swastika as a symbol of "hate."
According to the Washington Post, the branch of military service has decided that swastikas and nooses are considered "potentially divisive" but not hateful.
As the news outlet reports, "The U.S. Coast Guard will no longer classify the swastika, an emblem of fascism and white supremacy inextricably linked to the murder of millions of Jews and that more than 400,000 U.S. troops who died fighting against in World War II, as a hate symbol, according to a new policy that takes effect next month."
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The report continues:
"Instead, the Coast Guard will classify the Nazi-era insignia as 'potentially divisive' under its new guidelines. The new policy, set to take effect Dec. 15, similarly downgrades the definition of nooses and the Confederate flag, though display of the latter remains banned, according to documents reviewed by The Washington Post."
The Post also reports, "Certain historic displays or artwork where the Confederate flag is a minor element are still permissible, according to the policy."
"Though the Coast Guard is not part of the Defense Department, the service has been reworking its policies to align with the Trump administration’s changing tolerances for hazing and harassment within the U.S. military," the report states. "In September Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth directed a review and overhaul of those policies, calling the military’s existing standards 'overly broad' and saying they jeopardize U.S. troops’ combat readiness."
Trump Homeland Security official Tricia McLaughlin rejected the claims made without being specific.
"This is an absolute ludicrous lie and unequivocally false. The @washingtonpost should be embarrassed it published this fake crap," she wrote. Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr., shared her post.
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great; now hegseth can finally finish his chest tattoo
“It’s going to be a maze”
Did nazi that coming?🙁.
Please shut the fuck up
I’m definitely not happy about it either. But we don’t need to be mean to each other. I’ll fix it for you with some grammatical assistance. “Please, shut the fuck up!” See what I did there? It’s an example of strangers helping strangers.
It wasnt even 24 hours before the the colossal apopcalyptic blowback on this made them reverse their decision.
Now we just have to wonder why they want to make hate symbols okay in the military.. I'm sure its totally not anything to do with trying to build a white nationalist military that will gleefull obey illegal orders and slaughter the "other" in the streets at piggy boys command.
It's cause of the tattoos. Too many Nazis being excluded from the military.
yes, thats basically what i said.
It's FUCKING DHS only.... For some reason they put the Coast guard under the dumbasses at DHS they're the ones who are trying to not see everything how surprising is that really.
They’re not “proto-fascists” anymore you naive lemmyworlders.
They didn't go so far to include the Confederate flag yet. I guess that hits closer to home still, even though the two can sometimes be seen together.
The sign of a true idiot is when they fly either of these beside the US flag.
Correct, read it wrong, I had seen the rest of the part about it remaining banned except for certain historical works. For now.
Yes, they did, they just can't fly it on a ship.
So this one is fine then ? https://www.bhamwiki.com/w/File:Banksy_hanged_klansman.png
I didn't know Birmingham, Alabama had its own Wiki.. Interesting
Good! MORE Swastikas LESS Rainbows!
-NOT Nazis!
How else are they going to hire people? Most guys that want to sign up are all tatted with these symbols.
They want to recruit different people. Less women, people of color and LGBT, more racists. This fits perfectly in that policy.
"Opinion is divided on the subject. All the other captains say it is. I say it isn't."
This will be changed after Trump is removed.
I actually don't think Trump is behind this one. hear me out:
there are two factions emerging within MAGA. the Evangelicals and MAGA-leaning neocons are heavily Zionist, so there's no way they'd let this happen. the second faction are the alt-right/groypers/white nationalists, who simp for Nick Fuentes and Laura Loomer. Gen Z belongs overwhelmingly to this second camp, as illustrated by the Young Republicans discord leak.
Trump himself has no political views other than his own power and personal vengeance, but I'd still put him closer to the first camp since he's a Boomer, and he's in Bibi's pocket. so I think whoever pushed for this is probably part of the same cabal that posts Nazi dogwhistles on DHS's Twitter - part of the second camp.
and that second camp will become the future of the Republican party, unfortunately.
I'm floored we are getting pro zionist nazis this go around.
The original Nazis were Zionists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
They wanted Jewish people gone from Germany, and Palestine was far enough away to make them happy.
Huh? This is such a bizzare take. So people looking for safe exit in US due to fascist government are nazis?
Ironically, if you actually read the link, zionists were generally against this.
No, the relation is not symmetric
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_relation
So.. uhh.. you're accusing WW2 jews (not modern) of being nazis, but not directly, not indirectly, not by making a comment/explanation by yourself, but rather linking to a wikipedia page that has no mentions or explanation behind your thought process?
I don't think WW2 era Jewish people were Nazis, that's a thing you invented by assuming the relation I described was symmetric. Why would it be symmetric???
I don't see a difference between zionist and nazi, so yes way.
Zionists believe in the supremacy of the jewish population. Nazis believe in supremacy of the white race, but also exterminating jews.
It's easy to see how both systems of hate can be used to goad lower class sects into eliminating "the enemy" instead of visualizing the class war. There are very likely much smaller camps of rich elites that play both sides, but outside of that, the two groups are distinct. Trump has supported both before, since both have sucked up to him.
Trump is merely the vehicle being used by the likes of Thiel. As soon as he croaks or becomes too much hassle, JD will take the reins. There's others, too.
A lot of Zionists are just as antisemitic as the nazis, save for replacing exterminationism with deportations to Israel. Others are clever enough to say "Jews are genetically better with money than the Goyim" rather than "Jews are greedy".
How long before this becomes the official flag of the United States?
so what was WW2 all about then?
I thought it was all so videogame industries could have material to use.
That's why we are in need of WW3, so the next call of duty is not a flop like black ops 7
Unfortunately since people tend to have such short memories regarding genocides & atrocities, we seem to need a new world war every few decades to re-terrify everyone back to their sensibilities.
The fascists in the USA didn't want the competition. Exactly the same reason behind the American "Revolution". The oligarchs of North America hated sharing the spoils with the oligarchs of Europe.
That boomerang just keeps coming back around for some reason. Who can explain it? /s
Would be a real shame if someone that hung a noose ended up in it.
Why don't they declare it as as symbol of love? The love of having power over others, the love of being able to decide who lives and who dies.
It is not divisive and it is a hate symbol.
D...divisive?
I think I see this differently than most. I'm all for this. This would make it so much easier to know who to kick out during the next administration.
What next administration? How is that ever going to happen?
Genuinely absurd that the most famous symbol of hate isn't recognized as a symbol of hate.
"It's just a Tibetan good luck charm!"
Never did.
The symbol predates the Nazis coopting of it by a few thousand years. Used to mean peace forever or something. Only became the symbol of fascism because the Nazis misappropriated it
Pre-WW2 use of the swastika: all good.
Post-WW2 use of the swastika, specifically in the context of this discussion (for armed service members in the western world): very, very not good.
yeah, that’s cool, but it’s for nazis now.
Most eurocentric thing I've seen today. The swastika is still used in Indian religions. I guess very theoretically an exception could be made for practicing Hindus, but I doubt the military has too many of those.
dunno about that, friend. it was a WORLD war, after all…
The swastika does stand for a symbol of peace when it leans in the counter-clockwise position. But, the Nazi swastika is backwards. Thus, it is inherently a symbol of hate.
Apparently both versions are old as hell.
The nazis used a variety of orientations of the symbol.
Cool, if any recruits can prove that they got their swastika tattoo prior to 1939, then it's not a hate symbol. But still, don't invite them in though, they can't come in until invited.
I don't see why people are down voting this. It's true, and doesn't necessarily call for the return of the symbol in any way. The Nazis took a lot of symbols for themselves, but some of them will be forever associated with them now. Nobody can really save the sunwheel symbol at this point.
Some modern Pagan/Heathen religious movements might try to reclaim some symbols while being staunchly anti-nazi, but it's hard for them to do that while people have little education other than "Nazis used this" and not knowing the history. I believe some of these symbols are beyond redemption at this point, especially the swastika, and it's better to focus on those that have no Nazi ties or maybe ones that are so loose that they don't really matter.
Feel-good internet points or some shit like that.
Humans being human...
Its fair for the wrong reasons.
It’s fair because it is a peace symbol.
Its wrong because it is and will be used as a hate symbol.
If it weren't for people complaining about swastikas I'd almost never see one.
Count yourself lucky, even in my remote village there were botched swastikas spray painted on signs. Most likely teens who don't know what it means, and that's a problem in itself