Spyke
lemmy.world

"My side fucked me, so I won't vote for anyone for a couple of years. That'll learn 'em."

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BakerBagelreply
midwest.social

Focusing on cannabis since the guy is complaining about his hemp farm.

The Democrats here in Ohio have done fuck all to protect the decriminalized cannabis that we voted in support of by 60% back in 2023 (same with abortion the same day). Republicans immediatly set to work to limit home growth and how much you can buy. Did the Democrats run ads in Ohio about how they were going to protect our right to grow and consume cannabis? Did they talk about how Republicans were going to roll back the provisions we all agreed on? No. They ran ads about how they were going to help Trump hurt trans kids and "secure the border" here in Ohio. The Democrats and Republicans have lost all credibility with everyone that isn't a die-hard supporter of the parties. People stop voting when they feel like neither party cares about their interests.

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Heavybellreply
lemmy.world

Yeah, I keep hearing about how useless the dems are. I dunno what you guys can possibly do to fix things over there tbh. So I understand feeling hopeless.

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tempestreply
lemmy.ca

Americans are odd. They complain about "both sides" but a lot of them don't participate in primary elections.

There are definitely problems with the way the parties pick candidates but the primary is by far the more important election for those that consistently vote for the same party.

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BakerBagelreply
midwest.social

It's a Charlie Brown and the football situation. You can only fall for the same bait and switch so many times before you just give up. In a democracy it leads to voter apathy. And primaries are poorly run. If it isn't a prominent one, you likely won't find much information on the candidates prior to the primary election, and for the president, they sre pretty much decided by 4th one so if you're state does a later primary, chances are that your preferred candidate has already dropped out by the time you can actually vote for them.

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lemmy.ca

To my knowledge Americans have never given Democrats a chance, the Democrats haven't had a majority capable of pushing a bill through without Republican participation since 2008 and Republicans have been remarkably consistent at pulling the party together to stonewall Democrats so they look ineffective.

I mean the Democrats are often ineffective but at least punish them for the failures they make on their own merits, like the recent agreement to reopen the government.

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Niquarlreply
lemmy.ml

They had a majority in the House from 2006 to 2010 and from 2008 to 2014 in the Senate. It's not like the GOP has been in power forever. And again in the Senate from 2022 to 2024 and from 2018 to 2022 in the House.

There's a reason why some people dont really believe in them

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I was referring specifically to Senate, however it's a long messy history, let me go on GovTrack.us and see if I can find the senate records to explain what I mean

Edit: there it is,

✓On the opening day of the One Hundred Seventeenth Congress, the U.S. Senate was comprised of 51 Republicans, 46 Democrats, 2 Independents (who caucused with the Democrats), and 1 vacancy. No candidate received a majority of votes in the general election for Georgia's class 2 seat or in the special election for Georgia's class 3 seat. Runoff elections for both of the state's Senate seats were scheduled for January 5, 2021. Democratic candidates won both elections. Following the inauguration of Vice President Kamala D. Harris on January 20, 2021, the Senate had a Democratic majority, comprised of 50 Republicans, 48 Democrats, and 2 Independents (who caucus with the Democrats). The Vice President is able to cast tie-breaking votes in the Senate. See United States Senate, "Party Division," https://www.senate.gov/history/partydiv.htm. Office of the Historian: [email protected] Office of Art & Archives, Office of the Clerk: [email protected], [email protected]

The below information is a tie which effectively allowed for stonewalling. Yes if all Democratic senators, 2 independents and the vice president voted together they could push things through. However the fact of the matter is they don't tow the party line like Republicans and vote more independently. Perhaps a party failure but I see that as a tenant of a functioning democracy.

You could make the argument against an enemy willing to use those tactics not using them Is a failure to the people but I'd argue the smarter thing as individuals would be to blame Republicans and vote them out of positions of power.

And before that the last time they had a majority was 2009 to 2011

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A big part of the problem is the length of the "primary season" and spreading out votes over the course of several months.

This makes it really hard to sustain a budget, especially for grassroots candidates...but also sets up frontrunners in a big way.

IMO primaries would have a different outcome if they were all held on one day and we limited primary campaign season to like 3 months tops.

I'd say something about superdelegates but the fact is that parties and primaries aren't really a part of the process. People treat the GOP and DNC like they are official government branches when really they are just more like a private club. They let us have a primary. If the bylaws say they can override the primary, that's the bylaws. If people disagree with it, then either the bylaws get changed or a new club gets founded.

The problem, then, is that our voting system ultimately necessitates no more than two major parties. Since the winner is the one with the most votes*, it's very easy for two parties that align on many fronts to actively work against each other...see Ralph Nader in Florida in 2000. And it takes a huge shift to uproot an established party.

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Jhuskindlereply
lemmy.world

Ah yes victim blaming. We work 60 hours or more a week to keep th slights on but also gotta figure out who's running on our exact platforms and show up to vote when we don't get paid and find the voting stations because fuck all? Yeah ok it's my bad for not voting in primaries lol

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Yeah ok it's my bad for not voting in primaries lol

Yes.

Excuses don't change anything, the person in this meme has them too.

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The Dems are primarily right of centre capitalists who think they'll win if they appeal to the "centrists" between the two parties (hasn't worked), and the Repubs are literal Nazis. So yeah, not great.

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korazailreply
lemmy.myserv.one

Here's the solution: Go get involved locally.

The Dems at the top are put there by the dems in the middle, and those are elected by the dems at the bottom. Find your precinct and join it. Simply being present adds weight to that precint, and then you can help choose who leads the district, and upwards until we get to the DNC chair and presidential candidates.

Feel like your choice is nazi vs meh? Getting involved lets you push the meh closer to great. Voting all the time is half the equation, but if you feel like your choices are not great, then the solution is to help pick the choices.

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Unfortunately, running ads against all the shitty things that Republicans do would bankrupt someone as wealthy as Bezos. At a certain point, people need to take some personal responsibility in researching and making an informed vote, instead of just relying on who had the most recent snappy attack ad campaign.

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The two sides are similar, sure, but one side is hurting much more people than other.

The narrative the two sides are the same elected Trump since many shared this idea and didn’t show up to vote… MAGA for sure will go out and vote

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Also what pisses me off enormously is that people (especially in politics) refuse to ever say what they actually think. They will say one thing while knowing full well that they actually mean something completely different. There needs to be more correlation between what people say and what they mean. Especially, i'm sick of parties only trying to get people's attention and not actually having any ideals they believe in themselves.

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Trump says whatever enters his brain at any given second...

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Yeah Sherrod Brown basically threw the election. Ohio isn't as red as its democrats seem to think

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These people have been so brain broken that they will never vote for anyone with a 'D' next to their name.

This person doesn't even need to mention it, it's just a given that he will go right to not voting (which I'll take as a win).

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lemmy.ca

I mean this was the unironic sentiment around here in the months leading up to the 2024 election.

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I think you're conflating the RT troll accounts with actual popular opinions... And cause and effect. Even the actual "protest non voters" were upset on behalf of the, you know, active genocide happening to other people.

That is the functional difference between a conservative and basically everyone else after all, the capacity for empathy and understanding that bad things are still bad when they don't happen to you personally.

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"Can't blame me for the death of democracy, I don't participate."

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There's a good swedish song (made by a kinda generic youtuber, of all things) which states it very clearly: If you don't vote you have no right to complain. You don't have to vote strategically, just vote for literally ANYTHING if you want the right to complain.

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lemmy.world

I love how the only option in his mind is to not vote in the future. Not trying to find the party that represents him, or vote for the other party that protects his views, but just give up entirely on democracy cause of one issue.

He is a weak person, a weak american, and is one of the problems with this country.

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MisterFrogreply
lemmy.world

In fairness. First past the post necessarily leads to a two party state.

I'm sorry, but the only option is to single-mindedly campaign for pretentitial voting.

Voting for another party that protects his views is cute, but totally incompatible with the voting system in place in the US.

*Disclaimer that I feel entitled to comment on US politics as a citizen of the provinces (Australia)

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Swedneckreply
discuss.tchncs.de

what, precisely, is the downside of voting for a third party rather than not voting at all?

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They aren't completely equivalent, though it's pretty close, sadly.

I agree that it's better for someone to get involved with a third party, but if that third party's electoral strategy is to simply try and receive more votes, then they're actively hurting under the US' terrible voting system. (This is under the assumption that this third party is less right wing that the Democrats, and that you don't want the Republicans to win).

Any third party that is actively campaigning on getting preferential voting across the line by influencing the Democrats from the outside (yeah, first part the post is that terrible that this is necessary), or is revolutionary in nature, is okay in my books.

The rest are doing active harm because of the spoiler effect.

"Blue no matter who" is really, really dumb, and people really ought to get involved with groups within and without the Democrats to vigorously push for electoral reform, and better yet the abolition of capitalism and implementation of actual democracy (the US can barely be considered a democracy).

Parties that just are campaigning on: 'Hey! Vote for us because we're better' with no actual strategy of changing the system are dumb, also.

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midwest.social

It's the unironic goal of a two party system. I've got beef with right wing "libertarians" but they're the closest current thing to a viable third party and they don't even enter this chud's thoughts.

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DarkFuturereply
lemmy.world

the closest current thing to a viable third party

God that's so sad. Have you ever spoken to a Libertarian? They're right wing, but somehow even dumber.

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Oh, buddy, I got you beat. I used to be a libertarian in my early thirties. I'm in my mid forties now and I'm dumb as a bag of rocks. As dumb as I am now I've experienced an insane amount of learning and growth to lead me away from libertarianism.

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Well, leftists and our infamous inability to organize without infighting is biting us in that regard.

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Bro seriously! Also cooking for yourself is rewarding in its own right. Like it is literally part of being a complete person. Also guaranteed this fucker would never talk like this IRL.

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mrgoosmoosreply
lemmy.ca

you are being oppressed. do not resist us. you will be freed from your oppression.

*I grew up similarly to you

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Wahotsreply
pawb.social

The president married an immigrant too, lol.

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Soulgreply
ani.social

Usha Vance isn't an immigrant to be fair

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Oh no, I meant Melina. Though Usha needs to find a better guy. Good lord, haha.

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explodiclereply
sh.itjust.works

Option A: "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

Option B: that's how Vance plans to get out of it and go after Charlie Kirk's wife next

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You're on the money, maybe in both cases.

Pointing out the ridiculousness and hypocrisy of these men does not challenge them anyway. They are comfortable with their madness, I know this. The jokes are only for us at this point.

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Mac
mander.xyz

I will not be voting

Most intelligent Republican lmao

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Well, of course they couldn't try to stop this in the future. Best we can hope for is them to pretend not to support it, briefly. This dipshit will vote republican in perpetuity

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lemmy.world

But the thing is he will totally vote in 2028.

He will either have simply forgotten, or the republicans will have fabricated some new crisis by then and he will tell himself "well I have to vote or the democrats will force everyone to be non binary and polyamorous!!!"

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JasonDJreply
lemmy.zip

Is that really so bad?

Like, hell man person, let's just make a pile.

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lemmy.world

Its win win for the Goofy Old Phuckers. This ignorant(?) fool votes for his golden calf. Gets mad because that calf fucks him up. His solution is to not vote. Not to vote out the people that screwed him over but just not vote. So is it ignorance or stupidity.

I say why not both.

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P1k1ereply
lemmy.world

Notice he's not mad about anything else? This dude loves the GOP, just mad they screwed him over. He'll vote for em again the moment they promise to kill 20 browns, Jews or gays

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Most people have surprisingly short memories. Despite what he says he will likely vote for them again because Fox News or Rogan or whatever will wind him up about something and that will be top of mind.

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lemmy.world

I'm so disgusted that these people have the gall to call themselves patriots.

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TrickDacyreply
lemmy.world

They've redefined the term patriot in my head to mean "racist traitor"

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Yeah, even living in the US I'd say I am patriotic in that I want the best future we can manage for this fucked up place.

I love my wife and my child even more, but that doesn't mean I pretend they are without flaw and always correct. I would be remiss in my relationships and commitments if I did that, actually.

But I don't think I'll ever think or say "I am a patriot" because of exactly what you say. It sucks when awful people ruin innocent terms.

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DarkFuturereply
lemmy.world

People who have to call themselves patriots, are not patriots.

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Translation: "The government I voted for on the promise of hurting other people ended up hurting me as well so as a consequence I'm going to abstain from any collective decision making for the foreseeable future, that'll show 'em!

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"You voted for this"

Trump literally said that a couple of months after he was inaugurated. It's like they didn't believe him when he was literally telling everyone who he is. Second highest votes a president has ever had in U.S. history.... fucking idiots.

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The crazy thing about this piece of shit, is that he has so much hate for marginalized people, that even though he is actively being fucked by what he voted for, he can't even bring himself to lying and saying that he will vote for the opposing party, and of course in reality will continue to vote for fucking himself because he hopes it fucks the marginalized more.

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U guysez destroyed my fucking life and my country. But I'm still kind of a brain washed pussy, so I won't actually vote against you...

That's the most Republican sentiment I've ever seen, lol

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DarkFuturereply
lemmy.world

They're like sleeper agents.

As soon as a Republican utters the phrase "Democrats are eating babies" they are activated and go to the polls and vote for whoever has an "R" next to their name and then they wake up the next day with no memory of ever going to the polling booth.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

I know you were trying to be sarcastic, but I have a Trumper friend who thinks the dem elites extract adrenochrome from babies. Not sure but I think that means the babies are killed afterwards. It can't seem to ever get ridiculous enough.

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The orange turd could be on the air saying *the libs are eating your babies" while literally having a new born baby placed in front on him on a silver platter, stab the baby in the head, cut off its arm and physically eats the thing ON THE AIR...and the red cult would still fall in line

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These people are racist goldfish. As soon as the GOP dangles keys in his face again he'll believe everything they say.

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They were trying to get to 1700 something, so they've made some progress, from their point of view. I don't know what all the wailing is about.

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glimsereply
lemmy.world

I stopped caring after scrolling for a bit but I can confirm he is definitely having a meltdown and has claimed multiple times he won't be voting

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glimsereply
lemmy.world

Really the only thing that makes him special is that he finally recognizes the grift. He's otherwise a run-of-the-mill (ex-)MAGA influencer

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jaybonereply
lemmy.zip

I mean that in the sense that he has special needs. Along with 70 million others.

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glimsereply
lemmy.world

Ah, I'm a bit hesitant to use that as an insult as my friend has been running a special education program for a decade and even the most unruly students from her worst horror stories have more sense than Evan A Kilgore

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Not sure I was using it as an insult though.

I suppose that’s one way to interpret it.

Another way to interpret it might be that this person actually needs some kind of additional help, to understand and function effectively in the world around them.

Along with roughly 70 million others.

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claimed multiple times he won’t be voting

He might not vote for the obvious magats, but he'll still vote red and won't ever consider, even for 1 second, to vote Blue.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Nah, I'm being willfully obtuse, pretending that you meant this Lemmy post rather than the OP 😉

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But I liked the idea of "Leopards ate my face: FPV AMA Lemmy post"

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chatokunreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

I never really even got a buzz; I just use em to sleep through the night (half a 10mg a night). In the past I used to drink to sleep but that's not healthy and didn't really give you rest anyway.

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pharreply
lemmy.ml

Have you tried melatonin? Works great for me. Less drowsy in the AM than weed in my experience.

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TechAnonreply
lemmy.world

Some studies are showing melatonin increases heart issues.

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pharreply

Wow I had not seen that, thank you for the info I will look into.

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I'd suggest trying tincture or seltzers. Personally I'd prefer them over edibles (though I mostly vape, living in a rec state)

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Lol. Good.

The less money this freak and his family have, the less money they can donate to child rapists and child rapist enablers.

Bonus points for this dipshit admitting he'll not vote instead of voting for anyone other than Republicans.

LOOOOOOOOOOOSER!!!!!!!

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lemmy.world

that's quite a turn to take between February and Dodecember

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its always the doucebag with a profile of half nekkid gym bodies to show thier manliness or machismo)(that isnt promoting a fitness influence). t

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To be fair, thats true of all governments. People who voted for Trump, thinking he was Bernie... Well, yeah, theyve been walking up sore for a while now.

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Ah yes, the fictionalized content where our enemy has learned we're right and they're wrong.

I mean why understand our enemy and how to change things.....when we can echo chamber!

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lemmy.world

awww. capitalist got got. by his own vote. nothing of value was lost.

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flandishreply
lemmy.world

when has there been democracy in america at all federal level?

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

I mean, it's always been a flawed system at best, but you'd be a fool to claim that it's not even less democratic now than it was a decade or even a year ago.

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flandishreply
lemmy.world

so we’ve always had democracy? and we still do? hold up, lemme ask the folks kidnapped by ice if they heard from their reps yet.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

First, democracy isn't a binary. It's not a case of "it's either perfectly democratic or not democratic vat all"

Secondly, using the current day extreme thuggery of ICE as a refutation of a decrease in democracy compared to the recent past isn't the home run you seem to think it is. In fact, it's proof that you're trying to hit the baseball for a field goal with a hockey stick.

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flandishreply
lemmy.world

i’m trying to say, at a federal level, we have never actually had democracy. E V E R. 250 years of history containing oligarchs, capitalism, class warfare, racism, and manufactured consent does not leave room for any level of actual democracy.

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i’m trying to say, at a federal level, we have never actually had democracy

And I'm saying that that's not true, while conceding the fact that it's always been flawed.

250 years of history containing oligarchs, capitalism, class warfare, racism, and manufactured consent does not leave room for any level of actual democracy.

Wrong again. You should REALLY let go of your false dichotomy that only a perfectly democratic system is a democracy at all. Otherwise you'll never be satisfied OR right.

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Well it certainly isn't an anarcho-syndicalist commune, I'd like to make that point.

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Jill Stein sure would've fixed things! (So that Russia could destroy us even quicker)

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Not LAMF. He wasn't supporting Trump or the GOP doing anything antagonistic toward hemp re others and not him, the thing he's complaining about affecting him.

"I never thought they'd eat MY face!" makes zero sense here.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

He's cheering on them arbitrarily abusing other people and then acting all surprised when they arbitrarily abuse him and his family.

That's textbook LAMF.

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He's cheering on them arbitrarily abusing other people

  1. Way too vague for LAMF even if true. The expression isn't "Leopards Negatively Affecting People In Any Way Party". If you went by that, any politician negatively affecting anyone ever would be LAMF. No.
  2. You're lying about what he was doing, anyway. In reality, he was posting in support of reciprocal tariffs. Completely unrelated.
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Also, republican politician's animosity towards legal weed is well documented and they've all been voting against it wherever they can. The weird libertarian republicans that know they have to kowtow to the party to get elected sometimes weren't against it, but that's a small minority.

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