Microsoft confirms Windows 11 is about to change massively, gets enormous backlash - Neowin
A few days ago, Davuluri shared his excitement about it on his official X handle. He seemed very eager to reveal what the company has in mind at the upcoming Ignite event regarding the agentic OS plans.
Unfortunately for Microsoft and Davuluri, the response has been overwhelmingly negative, so much so that the comments on that X post have now been disabled.
Made me laugh. :)
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They've really painted themselves into a corner with their AI investments. It's starting to look like the total addressable market is a small fraction of what they'd need to break even on their atrociously ill-advised investments into the sector, and now they're becoming increasingly desperate to shoehorn a technology that nobody wants into everything they can.
Literally everybody who has an inkling of an idea of what's going on in the AI space knows how this ends, but somehow the board and c-staff at MSFT are not counted amongst the inkling havers. In a few years they're going to have to write off countless billions that they've wasted on this idiocy and nobody will be surprised but them.
Apparently when Satya Nadella took over, Steve Ballmer told him "don't screw up". In terms of stock price and profits, he absolutely hasn't. In terms of producing products that consumers might actually want to pay for, he has failed completely and Microsoft has never been in a worse position. But those two things are completely disconnected now so it's fine.
Why have windows calculator when you can have windows calculator with AI guess what you want to calculate, get it wrong, spy on you, and use that spying to serve you targetted ads all at the same time? #innovation
Ya know, I'm not a linux "supporter" in the traditional sense. I usually find it annoying when people hijack these threads to say they use linux.
But man......even though I don't have a clue what I'm doing in linux, I'd rather be on linux than windows 11.
We have passed the point where it has to be complicated. If you choose something like Garuda, Bazzite, or Mint, it should be a pretty straightforward switch.
And contrary to windows, it's learn once, use forever.
Except all those times where you learnt how to do something when you set it up years ago, and haven't touched it since because it just bloody works. Then when you need to upgrade to a new machine you have to learn it all again.
Been using Linux for thirty years and it still happens.
I still type
ifconfigby habit. Some kid the other day told me that you can judge a person's age and Linux experience by whether they expectifconfigandnetstatvsipandss.... I'm just glad they kept the parameters the same in
sswhat if I use ip and netstat?
You would have known it better under windows as it would have bacame obsolete or just stopped working every other 6 months, needing your attention 😁
I've held out a while but this is just getting ridiculous. I'm taking the leap.
As I use my home machine mainly for gaming, which version is best for me?
If you want a locked down PC you can't break, and to install all your software using a GUI, choose Bazzite. If you feel comfortable on the terminal, use CachyOS.
I'd say you're first job is to determine what you don't want. Google the differences between distros and pick the philosophy you like. Some have corporate backing, some favor stability, some stay cutting edge, some are more community developed, etc.
I started with Bazzite (Fedora) and switched to Garuda (Arch). What got me to each was researching "best gaming Linux" and later deciding I didn't want immutability.
I mainly just wanted it to work right out of the box, but now that I have it I also love that Arch is always keeping me up to date. There is still a lot of fear mongering about Arch, but Garuda was just as easy as Bazzite, which is recommended for beginners all the time.
I think Garuda is amazing, and recommend it wholeheartedly, but no matter what you choose there will be some learning curve, so pick something that sounds cool to you so you stay motivated to figure it out.
I'm on ZorinOS, which I'm told is very similar to Mint.
It's similar in that it has an application launcher at the bottom, a windows-like start menu, and aims to be simple.
Zorin has a modern UI where Mint is more windows-7-ish. They don't have the same file explorer, settings app, app store, generally the core apps are different.
Look they're quite different, it's hard to make a full comparison, just run a Mint .iso in gnome-boxes if you're curious.
Zorin is working out really well for me, esp on my older machines with slower processors and less RAM that choke a little on fuller distros. I enjoy the KDE Plasma distros, for example, but they're a little too heavy for my older boxes and I was getting a lot of video stutter and unexplained shutdows, etc. I don't get that with Zorin or Mint. For me Mint works just as well as Zorin and picks up all my hardware just as handily, it just feels a little basic for what I'm used to. But Zorin hits just right in every direction for my needs. It's a good distro for Windows noobs, that's for sure.
I still get freezes. Then when I try to power off and power back on, it won't boot. Then a day or two will go by, and it boots.
Just for clarity, when you say it won't boot, where in the boot process does it fail? Do you get as far as loading the BIOS, do you get a little way into the OS and then it crashes, or does it just not start at all?
I ask because depending on how far it gets into the boot process, you may not be looking at a software problem at all. Generally speaking, you have to get past the BIOS and into the bootloader before assuming the problem has to do with your choice of OS.
It's OK, you're on Lemmy, we all use Linux here so you're among friends (or bitter enemies if your distro of choice is Ubuntu)
A good low (basically zero) risk way to start is to flash an image of say Ubuntu onto a flash drive. They're usually bootable. So you can boot into Linux right off the flash drive.
This obvious takes a performance hit compared to actually installing it, but it'll let you confirm that it actually works on your hardware.
And IIRC you xan choose to just keep it (so install it) right from there.
You can also load it up, and then do wild stuff and install, upgrade things (which will disappear ofc.).
That USB boot is crazy cool if you think about it IMO.
The way I see it, they think GenAI is the new portal to information, the way search has been for the last 25-30 years. They want to control that portal, because it’s worth trillions over time.
This is why they’re cramming it into everything and worrying about use cases later. It’s a land grab.
That kinda makes sense. Thank you for sharing your optics.
I heard that phrase "optics" for the first time in the TV show Succession. Is it something that ordinary people use or just wealthy people?
It's mainly used by people who work in public relations or robotics
Or politics or really any field where the perception of actions are as, or more, important than reality.
I work as a senior IT Operations kind of job, with a 15 year background in IT support. I was trying to thank him for his perspective without sounding sarcastic ☺️
Edit: perspective might have been more apt.
It has been glorious watching Microsoft do this, they deserve this dead end and much worse honestly.
I mean... I don't know I guess it gives me hope how incompetent the people at the top of Microsoft truly seem to be?
The modern world is really demonstrating how success has nothing to do with skill or competence.
What do you mean people don't want machine learning chatbots spewing out bullshit in every facet of their lives and technology use?
We really need to get rid of the "AI" buzzword and refer to machine learning chatbots as what they are.
Parrots with a stolen dictionary.
But they made Google dance, right? Maybe that’s all Satya Nadella needed out of it.
Cant write off something that isnt even in the books...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cdJQ8UyVLA
You are wrong daikiki. AI is a tech that is going to change everything, it's the "computers" of this era, they are investing in a technology that will boom. Even if you don't think it will they will push it, see what google is doing, they rigged up the search results and now you necessarily have to use AI to get good answers, it's also there by default so you can't really avoid it.
i have a simple question... who the fuck asked for this?
Shareholders
Funny thing is that is not likely. The shareholders of microsoft (and most blue chip companies) have not really asked for anything other then endless profits lately. This endless drive into shit seems to be almost entirely driven by weird sales pitches and executives chasing a sunk cost.
The general idea is that whoever left behind in AI tech will vanish or lose power the next decade. Like Yahoo and other companies during the 2010+. So Google, Meta, Amazon and Microsoft compete now and they don't care about users. Their focus is enterprise market and the future domination.
Shareholders of Microsoft push AI.
Competitor Shareholders push AI.
Shareholders of hardware push AI.
Enterprise pushes AI.
"Innovation" is part of profit.
Ha, like 5% of the time. Most of the time its cluster fuck after cluster fuck and visits from the good idea fairies.
Not saying there should not be innovation, but innovation for nothing but to be able to say you are doing innovation is a cancer.
Yes, that's why I wrote "innovation" and not innovation. I'm not sure if there's something that better communicates the Dr. Evil air quotes.
That's just a longer way to say, yes, the shareholders asked for it.
Just because they didn't ask it in letter form or explicitely that doesn't mean much.
Look, if M$ does this 'agentic' move and its shares drop 20% overnight, then, and only THEN, you'd be right to say the shareholders did not ask for it.
Are shareholders punishing or rewarding these moves?
No, no they did not. They just said nothing, and execs took that to mean what ever they want. As is tradition.
You didn't read my message.
I did, and just think its bullshit. Investors have to invest, where would they put it if not in "safe" companies like microsoft?
Its total shit talk to put words and intent into a group of people and funds. They don't care, they just have money to park and Microsoft is seen as a safe place with a good return. There has been too much invested in this shit for them to change course, but also no alternative to invest in.
Billionaires, looking for more mass control.
It is not for our benefit.
I hate how tech companies just constantly want to change everything.
Just give me something usable that I can get shit done with and fuck off. I don't want your changes and updates and new feature.
That's one thing I love about FOSS, that the only stakeholders are the devs and the users. The goal is to make software that's good at what it does.
When it comes to any tech company's product, you not only have all the stakeholders that corrupt the end product, but you have giant teams of marketers, designers, engineers, and managers that need to constantly justify their existence and or be efficiently utilized at all times.
Honestly it's like lesser version of enshittification, the tendency of commercial products to always be changing things.
While this is true, designers are constatnly beholden to management (much like programmers are), so while designers would love to create a nice looking usable application, they end up having to go with the mockups that management requested which are of course a worse experience for the end-user.
It's really sad.
i feel like a lot of useless bullshit wouldn't be made if managers and execs didn't feel the need to validate their useless existence.
In FOSS world, this is only as true for the subset of developers (including both programmers and designers) that are contributing code as their job duties. Additionally that effect is only prominent in projects that are dominated by one organization. Both those things do happen, but there's also numerous exceptions, too.
Some developers are paid to write unrelated proprietary code and the developer also contributes to open source on their free time. Some projects have so many corporate contributors that none of them can single-handedly direct the development.
Oh, sorry, I wasn't referencing the FOSS world with my comment. I was responding to the tech company's part.
My comment was specifically about designers working for companies, with management forcing them to design things in a way that they would rather not.
It's kind of less about designers having to justify their existence (although, yes, there are far more often entire re-designs that seem like nothing else about this) and more about them being forced to create designs that management want, rather than what end-users want.
That's what my comment was about.
I mean, then you're describing bog-standard capitalistic exploitation, and it's not exclusive to designers.
Sure yeah, my comment originally mentioned designers and developers, but I was too tired to remember that in my follow-up comment.
It's hard to be extremely detailed and also remember every single detail of what I was mentioning as well.
Oh I'm well aware, that's why I threw in the part about needing to be utilized. Because even if the engineers are good with their finished product, some VP will eventually ask their director why the team's output has dropped or why they have so many people for so little work.
I'm an engineer working on a new product right now. Fortunately we're a small outfit with niche customers.
They have to because the capitalist imperative of infinite, progressive growth forces them to constantly seek out additional speculative avenues for profit. The potential for a valuable product (stock) is more valuable than a good product and is cheaper to produce than a good product.
It is important to note that you are also a product in a surveillance capitalist state thaf commodifies every second of your day. The speculative value on more profitable avenues to source and sell your data has more speculative value than anything your patronage would generate.
Excel 97 was perfect. Now I can barely find the shit I actually need to use because of all the "features" they've added to justify their jobs.
It's about keeping us guessing and reminding us who's in charge.
They don't want us to get attached to things.
Yeah, at least fix the bugs first.
Windows has had a bug that's driven me mad since before Windows 10 and it doesn't seem they have any intentention to fix it.
When I try to rename files, I always click somewhere in the text of the name or highlight a specific portion, and then 90% of the time RIGHT before I start typing to add or change the name, it randomly highlights the entire thing so the whole text gets replaced instead of the one section I wanted to change.
INFURIATING and it's been years that it's happened, between two different versions of Windows!
There's also another 2 or 3 other bugs that are just as infuriating but I don't imagine will ever be fixed or changed because why the fuck would microsoft care.
this phrasing had to be intentional xD no social media worker can be this clueless
I think the same about the sandwich company that asked people to share how they "top their subs".
Damn I really missed my opportunity
Remember, they said Windows 10 was the last version you'd need. The last version.
In a country full of people that get a chub at the thought of litigation why hasn't this angle been pursued?
Windows 10 is definitely the last version of Windows I’ll run on my own machines.
I think it will be the last one I run as well. I've always gotten grumpy with updating my OS since XP. I skipped Vista and 8 entirely. So I went XP > 7 > 10. I tried out Cachy OS and it works great. Did I have to go in the terminal at times? Absolutely but I have to go into the command line in windows sometimes too. Only thing keeping me in Windows at the moment is some windows only software and hardware drivers.
Because in the USA, private individuals don't have meaningful access to the legal system. Realistically, the best you could possibly hope for in a case like this would be a settlement in a class action where every Windows 10 user who's willing to jump through a bunch of hoops ends up with a seven dollar check in half a decade.
That was never actually an official statement. It was an offhand comment by some staffer that didn't carry any legal weight nor accurately describe the internal trajectory for Windows in any way. As much as we like to poke fun at it regardless.
It was the last version I needed. Six months gaming on Linux and I haven’t looked back.
That was always a dumb statement. Microsoft had two places to go from there. Either iterate and keep the name like Mac OS X was doing (10, 10.1, 10.2 and so on) or go to 11... like macOS also did (after a while).
They were never gonna release a version of Windows called Windows 10 and never update it or improve upon it (as they see it).
They had iterations already, like 22h2 or whatever.
They used to be called service packs.
Major builds. They used to be YYMM (from 1507 to 2004), and changed to half a year at the end - 22H2 is the Windows 10 build for the second half of 2022.
In total, there were fourteen of these, with 22H2 being the final one.
Because puffery. It's a interesting deep dive, look it up.
Sorry for being an idiot, but what is an agentic OS?
Whatever it is, it sounds fucking stupid.
The OS doesnt need to be a focus. the OS is best when you completely forget its existence and can just do things without worry.
Which is why Windows 7 is the best operating system microsoft has, and seemingly will, ever produce.
Agentic OS is a buzzword that's meant to imply that the OS is (or has) an AI agent doing useful things for you in the background without you explicitly asking it to do those things (ie an agent working for you). For an agent to be useful, (they say) it has to know and learn everything it can about you, your life, your friends, activities, contacts, work, and so on.
The tradeoff is pretty extreme though. Everything you do on the PC is watched, analyzed, catalogued, and retained by MIcrosoft (and possibly whoever they choose to share the info with, which is likely every government that asks). The features that do this are generically called client-side scanning and Microsoft has a few specific variants you can read about called Copilot Recall, and Copilot Vision.
physical revulsion
And in the non-Windows world - this could all be implemented on Linux in such a way that you, the end user choose if you want it at all, which models you want (including both local and online ones), and what gets what access. Plus all kinds of customizability. I'm sure someone is already working on this too.
big tech doesn’t have a monopoly on linear algebra or calculus.
you can run your own telemetry, analytics, and modeling pipelines with existing toolings and most modern PCs are plenty capable of doing a wide variety of useful things with said data.
these tools are very powerful. algorithmic feeds regularly hijack your dopamine response whether you’re aware of it or not. these organizations colonize your mind. your consent or acknowledgment is not a necessary factor. why should MS, Google, and Meta be the sole masters of these feedback loops?
the old privacy is dead. going into the future people should be pragmatic and actually do something about the current state of our society instead of being whiny do-nothing pissbabies complaining endlessly about things they barely comprehend. the key to breaking our chains is understanding the very tools that oppress us all.
being as tech-illiterate, as philosophically-illiterate as most people are is why we’re in the precarious position we’re in… one where these big tech empires have risen to institutional scales, rivaling nation-states themselves. and that includes the average software developer, sysadmin, IT support, doctor, engineer etc. not even considering genAI or agentic tools - we’re in a new zeitgeist where solving highly-dimensional problems is in extreme demand with very, very few people actually educated enough to do it. we don’t need more experts, those are a dime a dozen. we need renaissance men.
do you people not see what is at stake here?
you’re a boiling frog, all of you, all of us.
one day you will wake up a citizen of meta and purchase your rations with facebook scrip, and you won’t even know it’s happened.
the decisions we all collectively take now over the next 5-10 years determine whether free society survives or if we descend into a new dark age of neo-serfdom and techno-feudalism.
may god have mercy on us all.
We should kill all the big tech CEOs and investors
Look at the positive side, you can cook sausages on your overheating laptop
You mean cooking breakfast on the smoldering corpse of your laptop.
Basically, system wide Clippy that is somehow even more annoying.
As far as I can see MS is planning the agent not to stay in the background as you described but to be an active means to control the operating system and software functions, so that many tasks can be instructed in natural language.
They should call this version of the OS "Doors" then, as it just shows you what doors it wants, and closes it's door in your face if you don't stump up your precious data.
Windows 10 had a better kernel than 7. Unfortunately, that kernel was packaged with the rest of windows 10.
"Agentic" is the buzzword to distinguish "LLM will tell you how to do it" versus "LLM will just execute the commands it thinks are right".
Particularly if a process is GUI driven, Agentic is seen as a more theoretically useful approach since a LLM 'how-to' would still be tedious to walk through yourself.
Given how LLM usually mis-predicts and doesn't do what I want, I'm no where near the point where I'd trust "Agentic" approaches. Hypothetically if it could be constrained to a domain where it can't do anything that can't trivially be undone, maybe, but given for example a recent VS Code issue where it turned out the "jail" placed around Agentic operations turned out to be ineffective, I'm not thinking too much of such claimed mitigations.
Wild guess:
Log everything the user is doing. Have clippy interface prompt the user to take some work off their hands. Do some web searches, start storing a dossier about the 'project'. Give the user a rough outline to complete their project based on a trained llm and some web searches. Ask the user if the outline looks good. Ask the user if they'd like some help completing some of the steps. Burning through tokens the whole time, storing telemetry with 100% knowledge of what they user does/wants to do. Selling that exact data to project management software companies and companies that write middleware to do this work. Bind everything together into a virtual notebook where users can return to any content at any step.
It's some AI crap they try to push on us.
This is really just a guess but... I think "agent" in this context means a personalised AI.
Training gen AI models requires huge amounts of resources. Its not practical to train an AI for your personal use.
Creating an agent is something like, taking an existing model, asking it to keep your entire browser history in mind while you ask it to do your homework.
IMO its actually one of the big limitations of gen AI, but somehow the word is supposed to mean the opposite. As in, the current approach has reached a dead end requiring exponentially more resources for less and less improvement. So because we can't make a model that just knows or learns everything, we have to make agents that know lots about specific things.
I mean I would love a linux distro that had a local agent that could answer queries. I view it as sorta like graphics compared to command line but if it needs networked resources outside of it doing its own searches. No thank you.
hear hear!
was such a good operating system.
Didnt need regular reformats to keep it stable/keep performance. was easy to use. stayed out of the way. you never had to even think about the OS cause it was just so transparent and invisible to everything you had to/wanted to do.
Win 7 sucked too.
Win XP was the beginning of enshitification.
You just have nostalgia.
Agent work can be pretty magical. I've been using cursor recently and the fact that it can just execute commands on your PC means you can just tell it to do something and it does. Troubleshooting as it goes
Thing is, thats fine if you're doing something like working on a version controlled codebase where you can just roll back whatever the agent does if you dont like it. The idea of using a windows computer that had an AI fucking around with system settings and registry entries gives me shivers. Thats before getting into the possibilities of hostile actors managing to prompt your AI to do something like give up sensitive information by getting it to read malicious information on a website.
It's the future old man
Mobile-first seems to be the future 🤢
Ok now try asking it to do something non-trivial and not related to web development and see what happens lol
Takes time and effort to get to the future Lil bro
What I see time and time again are people saying "I HAVE TO use Windows at work, but I don't use it at home".
So, logically that means Windows is losing market share to Mac and Linux, right?
Well, no. What I see over the past 20 years is that people just stopped buying PCs for personal use.
At this point, it really feels like if you're over 55, you're in the minority if you own a PC. If you're younger than 30, you're in the minority if you own a PC.
And for 30-55 year olds, it's simple. You grew up with PCs, so you're used to them. Everyone else just sees it as "that thing we use at work"
So, no. People dropping microsoft from their own personal lives doesn't mean they switch to linux. It just means they use their cell phone or tablet to browse the web. Because for most people, thats all a pc is anyways. Just a machine to browse the web on.
PC gamers under 30 would be considered a significant minority compared to other <30yos?
Hmm.. I don’t know. 30-50yos are raising kids right now. That’s a whole lot of 0-21orso year olds living in the bracket where people have PCs.
Then you have college students filling the gap, who likely have a laptop at least.
Compared to console and mobile gamers, yes
Yeah, I have like a dozen colleagues between 25-60 and I can think of maybe 2 that have a PC outside of their work laptops. And those are both gamers.
Well even with your observation, it could well be losing share to Mac and Linux. The Windows users are more likely to jump ship, and Mac and Linux users tend to stick with the platform more, mainly because it's not actively working to piss them off. Even if zero jump to Mac or Linux, the share could still shift.
The upside of 'just a machine to run a browser' is that it's easier than ever to live with Linux desktop, since that nagging application or two that keeps you on Windows has likely moved to browser hosted anyway. Downside of course being that it's much more likely that app extracts a monthly fee from you instead of 'just buying it'.
Currently for work I'm all Linux, precisely because work was forced to buy Office365 anyway, and the web versions work almost as well as the desktop versions for my purposes (I did have to boot Windows because I had to work on a Presentation and the weird ass "master slide" needed to be edited, and for whatever reason that is not allowed on the web). VSCode natively supports linux (well 'native', it's a browser app disguised as a desktop app), but I would generally prefer Kate anyway (except work is now tracking our Github Copilot usage, and so I have to let Copilot throw suggestions at me to discard in VSCode or else get punished for failing to meet stupid objectives).
Definitely not to mac..I use mac and windows at work and Mac is by far the worst OS. It's so damn locked down it's obnoxious.
Since when did corpos try to reframe the word "pervasive" as something positive?
If you are evil it is....
At least 30 years.
Backlash is actually losing business, what they are really getting is a lot of whining from people who never do anything anyway.
It was the same with Windows 95, XP, then Vista, then 8 and 10 and now 11.
Very few who are used to Windows will abandon it just because it's becoming a surveillance hellscape of forced updates, advertising and other annoyances.
Microsoft is posting record profits on their way down, just like Intel did 10 years ago.
That said Microsoft is still in a better position, and while Windows may lose relevancy, Microsoft has way more revenue coming from other sources than Intel had without X86.
Ill be honest. I never expected to leave windows but here i am doing my homework on Linux.
Its quite late now to learn Linux but its never too late.
Its been my only desktop for like 15 years.
You say that, yet Mac and Linux grew quite a bit over the past couple years. It's true, not everyone will drop Windows right after whatever bullshit they announce, but software and platforms are rarely abandonned over night.
Doesn't matter much what users do. Corporations are nowhere close to ditching Windows.
No way to manage a fleet of Linux or Mac machines. Nothing comes close to the power of Active Directory and a bit of PowerShell.
Funny enough, I guarantee there will be GPOs and PS commandlets that let you disable the AI bullshit.
EDIT: Apparently I'm addressing a crowd who has never managed a fleet. I'll bow to your expertise.
I've seen a lot of companies that are all mac. And didnt a European government just change to all linux ?
My last company was a software dev and even they were only 70/40 Windows/Mac.
Yes, seems lots of European agencies are moving to FOSS, but more towards open office solutions. Moving to Linux for the OS makes fleet management pure hell. I know LDAP exists, but that doesn't begin to compare to AD.
Please tell us the name of this 110% software dev, so we can avoid it. There is a min amount of math needed here.
Made a typo smartass, and you know it. 70/30.
Now tell us all how smart you really are. Tell us how to manage a fleet of Linux or Mac machines, or even a mixed environment. One reason I passed an interview was with this very question! Go.
I don't work in the industry anymore, but I did manage a few "fleets" in my day. However I do know that if I made such a typo (on the literal only data point) I would also be poked fun of when I did work in the terrible tech world. And if I lashed out I would be further dragged over the coals as let's face it, that would be kinda pathetic.
I feel like AD is a solution for a problem that Microsoft created.
It is a solution for a problem that companies had and isn't solved in Linux.
Because Linux users think all computers need to be as open as possible, while Windows admins know we need to protect users from themselves. Especially when it comes to highly important data.
Even letting users install software themselves leads to users installing wrong version, malware, software they don't need, software they shouldn't use, incompatible software, and software they have no clue about but someone recommended.
The most vulnerable aspect of cybersecurity is still the users.
You do know you can use AD with Linux, don't you?
I would love an explanation of how AD can control Linux machines! Can I reset you Linux password over AD? Can I lock you out of using removable media? How the hell do GPOs work?!
AD isn't simply authentication, grouping computers and users. LDAP does all that.
Corporations haven’t ditched windows because Active Directory and Group Policy had no equal. Now that Microsoft has slowly pushed everybody to cloud based identity, there’s really nothing stopping you from using something other than AD or even Entra ID
Identity management is only one aspect of AD. Very telling that all these rebuttals are thinking only in terms of what LDAP can handle.
Are you commenting from the year 2007?
That or they have a large stake in microsoft.
No, 2025.
GPOs may be replaced with InTune, but the importance is still the same.
What importance exactly? Besides identity and policy… what does it do better than some third party software at this point?
A buddy of mine works for a fortune 500 company that started giving out MacBooks as the standard hardware this year. Apparently you need to jump through a bunch of hoops if you want to run Windows. I was shocked to hear it but Microsoft deserves to be humbled.
You can totally manage a fleet of Linux devices. Next to all servers run Linux. How the hell would you do that without appropriate tooling? We use Ansible for example - Which certainly isn't a perfect solution, but a working one.
A lot of servers run Linux. With VDI being more plausible the idea of giving laptops that are basically a "zero" has been floated.
Last time I was in work it was in a secure environment so maybe that's not widespread.
I didn't think I'd care enough to leave Windows but I've been on Linux for six? months now.
Welcome to the 1%. 😋
Yes there are some that switch, and also kudos to those who try, even when they find it's not for them.
I'm just sad that the problems with Windows isn't enough for more to abandon it? I simply don't get "normal" people.
As long as windows is installed by default on hardware, it's hard to move the needle. A huge majority don't want the headache of switching.
But, that pie is slowly being chipped away as options are available.
Windows will be the default until suddenly it isn't. Valve is doing amazing at destroying the core of Microsoft's support. This story would be different if this was a decade ago, but these days most average people do their computing on phones and tablets. The ones sticking to traditional PCs are mostly gamers and now more than ever Linux is a viable alternative to Windows. Vanishingly few games can't be played perfectly fine on Linux. Once enough gamers are using Linux it will become the default choice, and once it's the default choice for gamers it will become the default choice for most people, at least the ones not on phones and tablets.
It actually wouldn't surprise me to learn that most Windows installs nowadays aren't pre-installs but rather images deployed from a corporate IT department.
In some ways the biggest danger for Windows in the home market isn't Linux or Mac but the people who decide they'll just use their phone or tablet for everything. Then again, I'm not sure if Microsoft even cares about the home market.
Thing is, this agentic stuff… if it isn’t aimed at home users, who is it aimed at? Because it’s not compliant with any of the security programs IT departments are required to comply with.
My company just ditched Acrobat due to all the AI crap being shoved into it.
Unfortunately, most Windows users have a long history of complaining about it and then still continuing to use it.
There's no way around it: if you keep using abusive software, you'll stay in an abusive relationship.
I have some aging hardware (approaching 10 year old desktop PC) and I switched to Linux. I have to still use Windows at work but none of my personal computers are Windows anymore.
Microsoft can go kick rocks.
Same here!
Same here!
In a few years Microsoft will just release Windows 12, with most of these AI features removed. Maybe they'll do some user friendly tweaks too, but just a few. And most of Windows refugees will come back, praising Microsoft for listening to the community. Meanwhile there'll be even more spyware and even less user control over the OS, but the vast majority will never notice that. That's all it takes.
I think you are enormously overestimating their abilities to:
A) reflect on poor management decisions that hurt users. They have increased their company valuation TEN-fold under Satya Nadella over the last 11 years, and his push to cannibalise the hosted-services partners and Gold partners with Azure/365 made them a lot of ground before then. They became the second company ever to reach a valuation of $3T back in 2024. If you think a (globally) handful of unhappy home OS users will cause then to change course - I don't think so, certainly never been my experience with MS.
B) win back most of the users they have lost to Windows. Why would those users return? They have what they need with their new solutions, and moving to them was a time and education cost that they have now fully paid, they're invested. They'd have to have something very compelling to bring them back beyond, "hey guys we stopped being shit! ######for now "
Let’s be real, windows 12 will be fully ai integrated
I thought Windows 10 was the last ever version of Windows?
It's the last for me! And many others as well it seems.
They got the punctuation all mixed up. Instead of 'Windows 10 will be the last ever version! No more major upgrades!' it was meant to read 'Windows 10 will be the last ever version? No! More major upgrades!'
Unfortunate mistake
It'll be taken care of by the new Microsoft CEO: Miguel Sanchez.
I am (was) a Windows user of 30 years and Windows 11 was the final straw for me. I've been playing around with Linux for 15 years but have only used it for my servers, as I never felt the desktop environment quite met the requirements for my daily driver.
One year ago, I made the switch, decided to power through and leave Windows behind. I was prepared to let go of the things that would not work on Linux and learn to live without them. Now, a year later, I've managed to migrate all my stuff to Linux. Sure, there are things I miss, but those are mostly aesthetics and not functionality.
And you are absolutely right! I'm pissed at Microsoft and have no plans to ever switch back.
Just like we saw with xp/vista/7, then 7/8/10. MS has a track record of good OS, gamble/shitty OS, slightly improved OS.
Given MS has been testing Windows on the Cloud in the enterprise space for a while now, I wouldn't be shocked if future major Windows versions, ie. Win12, became cloud-based.
The best part here is that, when the AI bubble pops, AI will become a dirty word for a while before settling in some, much smaller, feature.
MS is going all gas no brakes on AI and when that bubble pops, their entire ecosystem will be toxic and laughable
Corporate suicide is so fun to watch when you're not stuck using their products.
Indeed...
My Linux story started 15 years ago. I'm a tech guy (systems admin at the time) and reached the "I work with computers all day, don't need more of that at home" stage (which was insane to think of a few years before)... tried Linux, loved it and still today my house is a junk yard of old computers having their best second life.
EXACTLY parallel to cutting my cable, my experience ditching MS (which I still have to use about 20% at work) has been one where I felt it was needed but hesitant I would miss out, but in all this time, the more I check MS (or cable TV) the more I realize I am missing NOTHING and my life is better for distancing myself from it
Re: missing out
I've got friends who tell me they won't switch to Linux because they want their anti-cheat games. I usually tell them if they took the time to learn their system they'd understand why they don't want anto-cheat games.
In the last 20 years, I have not found a single piece of software (games excluded, i pay for art when payment is asked) that I, a regular person on the internet, have not been able to source a free open source alternative that while potentially equipped with a steep learning curve is often as good as if not Better than many corporate solutions once learned.
People can pay for pretty, super convenient UIs and proprietary solutions with support contracts if they want to, thats their perogative. I prefer to learn the software myself and if I hate the UI that much that I'd be willing to pay, its worth either just sitting down and making my own with pyside (its quick and easy, learning curve excluded) or paying a freelance dev to make one bespoke.
110%
When Covid hit, I decided I finally had enough time to invest in a gaming PC. My son and I put one together and, thinking I would miss out on many games, we set it up to dual boot. 3 months later we both realized we wanted nothing that "only ran on Windows" so we recovered the wasted space and it became a Linux only machine (like the rest in my house)
I can also confirm my experience has been the same re any other application or piece of software. My current daily driver is basically against all recommendations for a daily driver: running Garuda Dragonized with a side of Hyprland, even the Garuda folks do not recommend this mix but I fell in love with Hyprland and my son still prefers KDE. I had to learn a lot to configure everything in Hyprland from scratch (first tried it with someone's config but decided I wanted my own). Took a bit of learning but it was so much fun and in the last 5 months since I implemented this crazy soup, I have had no freezes, no hangs, no apps dying on me, nothing... everything is fast, solid and more importantly, I know and control every aspect of the experience...
Can u run fusion 360? We use this software at work for 3d printer and plasma table. Have not been able to find anything that could run both on linux yet.
I've seen some people say they got fusion 360 working on linux with bottles, but I didn't have any luck with it. I use OpenSCAD and FreeCAD for making models to print, but if you need Fusion360 specifically for work (or specific Adobe products) then you are kind of stuck unless your company is ok with a change. You won't be able to view or edit other people's Fusion360 files without that specific application. You can always run Windows in a VM on linux and install only the applications you need it for there. If you have a good enough PC that is viable, but isn't a great experience on a lower end system.
I have not used open scad or freecad! The thing about fusion that works so well for us at work is we can design prototypes and 3d print them out of plastic, and if the test fit goes well we can then move it over to our plasma machine and cut the parts from sheet stock then weld together to make our component. We also do some more component design (think central inflation systems though wheel hubs) but the more advanced stuff the boss handles. For us to adopt at work I think it would have to have compatibility with fusion 360 as that's what my boss uses primarily and we have dozens maybe hundreds of design files to cut brackets for engine swaps gas tank mounts control arm brackets you name it. Suppose it's probably a bit late for us to make any move to Linux, especially considering we just got a 4 axis cnc mill and I don't think any Linux software will play with that
Use two tools if one doesn't get the job done, is kind of my point here. Sure you can pay for the convenience of f360, or you can build your own toolkit. Its like 2-in-1 shampoo, if it does both things it probably isn't the best at either of them.
So rather than use a ready made software that works perfect for designing parts you suggest I build my own software? That is simply not a feasible solution, ESPECIALLY in a business environment lol. Your 2 in one shampoo comparison is kind of irrelevant, this is more akin to suggesting that instead of purchasing a car I design one from scratch! That doesn't help adoption of Linux in the least, it is in fact the burden that keeps more windows users from adopting.
Bud if its not feasible for you don't do it then.
As I stated in my original comment, some people use readymade suites and pay for support, that is their perogative.
I find I do Better quality work when I build my own toolkit, and tie the tools together my way.
To borrow an example from my father in reference to working on cars:
Stock market had dropped very much this week so maybe its happening.
Feels like getting to the top of the roller coaster... scary but exciting at the same time
Its bouncing back today but yeah, we will see next week...
Yup. Got two days off, and I'm going Linux. If i can actually replace windows for what I need, then it looks like i just freed up some space on my nvme.
I'm jealous. There are a handful of windows-only pieces of software that I need, unfortunately.
Winboat could be stopgap measure until you no longer need that software
I'll check it out :)
This is why I'm glad PCs aren't locked down like phones and there's nothing stopping you from running an alt OS on the desktop yet.
Yet. Some exec at Microsoft is thinking "the problem is that PCs aren't locked down like phones and there’s nothing stopping you from running an alt OS on the desktop yet." If they can't force everyone to use their AI crap they'll lobby the US Government and give Donald Trump some fake award, and before you know it desktop Linux will be a crime just like fixing your own tractor is a crime.
GabeCube runs Linux. There are multiple manufacturers making Linux PCs.
Laptop manufacturers usually have it as a customization option, drops the price without a windows license too
My next laptop is going to have Linux on it or I’ll get a MacBook (would be nice if you could get Linux running on the latest Apple silicon).
I can't wait for that whole AI bubble to blow up. Shame it's most likely not gonna kill Microsoft..
Too big to fail 😔
I wonder when the big software players running their stuff on Win are going to complain. For me, I'm tied to Autodesk. If they would make their mind up and start a Linux version or support Proton (I don't see, why the advancement in the gaming world couldn't in principle be applied to productivity software) I would be away from MS at work instantly.
Because linux users are haxors that will be pecking at their sortware DRM and create unofficial 3rd party pluings that make users life easier, but give dev teams a headache.
/s
My career is supporting business Linux users, and to be honest I can see why people might be reluctant to take on the Linux users.
"Hey, we implemented a standard partition scheme that allocates almost all our space to /usr and /var, your installer using '/opt' doesn't give us room to work with" versus "Hey, your software went into /usr/local, but clearly the Linux filesystem standard is for such software to go into /opt". Good news is that Linux is flexible and sometimes you can point out "you can bind mount /opt to whatever you want" but then some of them will counter "that sounds like too much of a hack, change it the way we want". Now this example by itself is mostly simple enough, make this facet configurable. But rinse and repeat for just an insane amount of possible choices. Another group at my company supports Linux, but just as a whole virtual machine provided by the company, the user doesn't get to pick the distribution or even access bash on the thing, because they hate the concept of trying to support linux users.
Extra challenge, supporting an open source project with the Linux community. "I rewrote your database backend to force all reads to be aligned at 16k boundaries because I made a RAID of 4k disks and think 16k alignment would work really well with my storage setup, but ended up cramming up to 16k of garbage into some results and I'm going to complain about the data corruption and you won't know about my modification until we screen share and you try to trace and see some seeks that don't make sense".
I don't think most of them will.
They will use enterprise editions internally, where their IT team will have much more control over behaviors they don't like at the group policy level than home users do.
The executives at the big software conglomerates have the same AI boners that Microsoft does. They'll be looking for ways to integrate new Windows features and use them as selling points for their own products.
They don't care about the privacy nightmare Windows has become because they implement and benefit from the same telemetry and data collection practices with their customers.
Maya's had a Linux port for years now; problem is you need to be running RHEL to get support.
Of course they also could've just discontinued that port and made Maya Mac/Windows-only.
Replaced the last Windows computer in the house with CachyOS this morning. Fuck off Microsoft.
last windows install in my house was on my rarely used laptop, windows 10.
As soon as Win10 was end of life I threw linux on it. First time in..god..30 years? Theres not been a windows PC in my house.. Ran Windows from 3.11 all the way up to 7 happily (and then my laptop came with Win 10 from factory and, well, thankfully I only had to use it when traveling.. )
Main system has mostly been a breeze to use for years now, but I built it with Linux in mind and picked AMD parts and such to make the transition easier, which definitely helped me avoid major headaches.
Pretty much since the release of Windows 10, Microsoft has been getting backlash because of the invasive, hostile and insane decisions they make and force on their users. It's gotten particularly vocal since W11 and the EOL of Windows 10.
Yet, everybody seems to eat the plate of shit MS serves them. They complain, but most people dont seem to want to put in effort to rid themselves of Microsoft.
I could cry.
Windows 11 made me a Linux user. I stopped eating their shit.
"Fine, then we're going to do it twice as hard and half as good!" -Microsoft
Windows 8.1 made me a Linux user.
Its not even a lot of effort. Ask anyone using Linux and they will be happy to help.
> Ask
And then ask again each and every single time something doesn't work. Or you need to install something. Something is badly configured.
You need at least medium level tech literacy to deal with Linux. Maaaaybe entry level with Mint and the like, but still, if you get skittish due to console, at which 70% of worlds population at minimum does, Linux ain't for you.
Windows is successful because it's easy to understand and holds your hand as much as possible. People who are complaining are quite often folk who are simply forced to use it, most people don't really see anything wrong, even those using tech more...
There are linux distributions doing all this for you too.
Your grandma does not need the console to open a browser window.
I even mentioned Mint and that it drops problems to lower level, so? My grandma barely grasped the concept of a browser and had problems understanding how to use google.
And sure as hell when she got some custom-software disc from hospital with embedded images from her x-ray or whatever it's called, I wouldn't want her to need to also deal with Linux possibly not being able to run it.
That's a reasonable fear, but unmerited. Those discs open perfectly on modern Linux.
This is not true. I've helped lots of people install Linux on their old laptops, they used them until the hardware stopped working and I rarely if ever got any questions or requests for help.
Because it just worked.
This honestly isn't my experience.
A couple years ago now, I went to install Windows 10 on a PC. It got partway through the install process, and then failed with an "Error 0x76A421B3E7291A" or something. Completely opaque, like the damn thing spat out a memory pointer as the only clue. Installing Linux Mint on the same machine threw an error, "Unable to complete installation due to BIOS TBS error. Check TBS BIOS settings and try again. For more information, see this wiki page" and it gave a clickable link, because this is running in a live environment and has a functioning copy of Firefox installed, and it gave a QR code so the page could be easily pulled up on a mobile device.
Windows is not inherently more user friendly.
Yeah there's also the issue of how much time someone has available to spend on their system. In a lot of cases, it simply isn't a big part of someone's life and the spend the least amount of time on it. All of a sudden they're going to spend the time to learn about this new and huge thing and then do it themselves?
Right. That's why I gave grandma Linux Mint, rather than asking her to learn Windows.
Wao, you're so full of it. Windows is the one OS that keeps people wondering why shit doesn't work. You've either never installed and used Linux in the last 10 years, or are butthurt that you've defended windows for years and now you're at the end of your rope, as are they.
I think he has a really good point. I consider myself acceptably tech literate, I'm not afraid of the command line even if I don't really understand how to use it, I've built my own computers for years, and I have a pretty custom configuration of Windows.
One thing a windows user can typically be sure of is that if it's meant to work, it probably will. There is a pretty black and white environment of what's possible and what isn't. Linux is very much more "give it a shot" style computing for beginners. It breaks much more easily, it can be very confusing to configure, and it's just different.
I think if it similarly to cars. Some people, like myself, love driving, enjoy tinkering with the car, maybe drive a standard for they joy of it. But most people just want a car to take them to work and the store. Most people just want a computer to work, either for their job or their hobby, but the hobby isn't tinkering with software. The fact that even the very packaged and polished distros can require more than basic tech literacy to configure is likely what turns a lot of people away, whether or not that's actually the case.
And getting snippy saying somebody is butthurt (which is fucking homophobic btw) is absolutely going to keep pushing people away if they think the community is full of holier than thou Linux nerds that don't understand how to communicate with normal people.
I'm currently experimenting with different distros right now and am having a similar experience to the person you are replying to.
You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Heh, I'm literally in the same boat as you - testing distros and such. And I studied programming for some time so I have above average tech literacy and yet still I had to spend some time learning how to get old wi-fi on a laptop to work (thankfully well documented), and I still have to tinker with which distro will be best for my hardware as it's not only kinda old, but also I have nvidia card and some wierd wifi so I am ready for things to be weird.
And I hope I didn't come off as saying that Linux is some insurmountable wall for everyday folk in original comment but as you pointed out - everyday folk ain't willing to deal with any problems in the first place.
XKCD comic about specialists expectations towards everyday folk come to mind xD
Hold up, is there an origin to this that I'm not aware of? How on earth is that homophobic ?
Further comments may have been disabled, but a number of them are still up and are highly entertaining:
https://xcancel.com/pavandavuluri/status/1987942909635854336
"Linux and Mac are toxic this year"
Wat. Toxic how? Why this year?
The thing is, they all invested so much into Ai now so they have to use it everywhere even when people dont want it.. :)
Its going to wreck the reputation of windows even more...
I wonder if no one is left at Microsoft that knows enough about the core systems to actually improve those... So the best they can do is throw more shit on top
I have a brilliant friend who works there. However, only projects that integrate AI are really getting approved.
Can the AI Shit be disabled?
"Maybe Later"
Until next update.Well, maybe later I'll try your shitty OS?
If only my computer was constantly hooked up to cloud AI watching everything I do! -No one ever.
Shit like this is why whenever companies say they’re “customer focused” I say they’re full of shit.
No one wants this but M$ has so much investment tied into this that they need to make people want this.
Oh, they're customer focused, alright: focused on scraping customer data via the installed OS to feed to their AI and then aggregate for sale to other data brokers and/or interested governments.
See, now that they've strongarmed everyone into using their new shitty OS and no longer using the old kind of okay one, they can change it however they want and all their users are stuck with it!
(Excuse me while i cackle madly in linux)
Funny how we've forgotten already the rage and backlash from users when it was revealed you could never completely disable telemetry in windows 10.
Now the general attitude is 'well, it's not as bad as 11.'
For the better part of a decade I used windows only for gaming, and now I've dropped it for that too.
I'm not sure why some people still refuse to consider using an alternative to windows these days.
Gaming on Linux has gotten really good thanks to proton. Never look back!
Sadly I've got too many programs that don't work on linux, or don't work well. And an old synthesizer that I can't imagine would work on linux unless I made a driver for it myself, and that's a bit beyond me.
Those are the main points that keep me from switching.
Winboat or Winapps - Both will let you use Adobe programs in linux pretty well with a sandboxed vm. Getting better every day. That is assuming you can't get done what you need on Open Source software alternatives - some are really good, others are a bit of a let down.
If you are fully on board with Kernal Anti-Cheat, then you have already given up on actually owning and controlling your PC. That said, there has been talk recently by windows about kicking 3rd parties out of the Kernal, so KAC might actually die soon (we can only pray).
I'd be curious to know what you are regularly using regedit and group policies to change. For a start, I bet a lot of it can be changed in the settings GUI or aren't problems that need changing to start with in Linux. Secondly, I think learning CLI is significantly easier than learning regedit - the navigation at least is a lot simpler imo. Unless you are just running .reg files you find on the floor of the internet, if you learned to use regedit you can definitely learn the Linux CLI (as much as you'll need to in order to do what you want).
Just saying, it is constantly evolving and most of the road blocks are out-dated or hinge on reliance on some other big tech company besides microsoft that is just as far down the enshittification rabbit-hole. It is not a decision you made once and have to keep living with. None of us swore a life-debt to our "team". :)
Edit: From a quick search it seems that Winboat and Winapps have the same issue as other virtual machines, namely that you can't really give them access to the GPU if you only have one. And graphics programs need that GPU access.
Of course! Make no mistake, I feel no affection towards any corporation, their main goal is to bleed us dry for their shareholders. But giving up my fully featured software and favourite games to follow my FLOSS ideals does not seem to quite balance the scales for me yet.
Though disclaimer: if I wasn't doing piracy, but actually had to pay for Microsoft and Adobe's rent-seeking, and be subject to all their bullshit restrictions, I would probably have jumped ship years ago. Enterprise group policies can remove a lot of user-hostile crap from Windows.
Winboat is apparently working on and close to "hardware accelerated graphics". I haven't tried Photoshop with it, as I never learned Photoshop, but it is one of the flagship programs they claim works well by default. It likely won't get to the point of being an option for gaming (KAC wouldn't work anyway as they all flag VMs, so that feels like a moot point) without setting up GPU pass-through, but I can't imagine those programs need full bare-metal access to a GPU to work well?
Worth keeping an eye on anyway :)
Former windows user here, ever since I used Win11 for the first time in 2022 I saw how buggy and useless it was. And it was clear to me that someday win10 will stop receiving updates.
I decided to get onto Linux and I am proud of myself that I tasted nearly all the distributions and tried them all.
Pure arch, Manjaro, EndeavourOS, CachyOS, Debian, Linux mint, Tuxedo OS, MX Linux, Zoroin OS, Nix OS, Alpine Linux, OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Kali Linux, Fedora KDE, Fedora Workstation, Fedora KDE Silverblue, etc.
Linux mint, Tuxedo OS, MX Linux, ZoroinOS are the best for new comers from Windows and all are based on Debian.
I actually found pure Debian to be perfect for me as a newcomer a few years back.
That's awesome! :) Did you land on a favourite for day-to-day stuff? I had the exact same pipeline - windows 11 was announced, and Mint went on days later! :) I love Kubuntu at the moment, and tried PopOS as well. :)
Writing as a new CachyOS user, this is like finishing a move from Florida to New York, and then learning there's another two hurricanes headed for your old hometown.
Legitimately. Fedora Bluefin here. Giving the atomic thing a try 😁
Good, I hope it keep self destruct for the foreseeable future, you're doing good Microsoft keep doing what you're doing.
Here’s the thing - the same thing that Microsoft is being roasted for saying they’re going to implement is the thing that Apple are being roasted for not having implemented yet. The difference is -rightly or wrongly- people trust Apple in a way that they simply don’t Microsoft.
Apple zealots trust apple. The rest of us don't give a rat's ass what Apple does.
At this point if you don't want a custom built or Linux PC, I see apple as the corporate gold standard. Windows is a glued together heap of slow trash for a while now. So many bugs, removed features, and lots of other crap. Macos just works, it's a lot cleaner and more integrated.
Corporations need centralized governance that active directory provides.
There are other ways.
Their stance on default privacy and sticking a finger to law enforcement is leagues above both Microsoft and Google/Android. So far at least.
You are correct... yet it is so sad that a modicum of respect for their clients is held up as if Apple self immolated out of principle... the bar is THAT low
No. They are just doing it differently - they have proprietary p2p networks and such doing obscure shit. They are similar to Telegram in that. Good to their users as much as they need that to maintain balance of interests.
Is it the Multipeer Connectivity you're talking about? I've never heard of it before. It does seem like something that could be used to track users.
Year of Linux once again!
Honestly, we're getting there. More and more people are asking and trying to learn. But we are a ways off from going to best buy and buying a framework laptop lol.
I wiped my Windows SSD after over half a year of not booting into it at all. I do not miss it, but I do greatly appreciate a larger /home partition spanning an entire 1 TB SSD (for reasons of buying at various times for projects that didn't need a lot of storage, I have 3 1 TB SSDs lol). Now to figure out how to enlarge the / partition with btrfs.
Btrfs makes it really easy to enlarge a partition. You don't even have to reboot.
Good idea. Haven't booted mine in years either.
Wouldn't it be easier to clone your partition to another SSD but have it already be the full SSD size? I remember looking into something like that and cloning looked easier, but I was looking through the windows side, Linux probably has various ways to do it
I moved the home directory to the empty SSD, but still needed to resize the root partition in place. Wasn't difficult actually, but for some reason it errored on me the first time, the second time I could just do it in place without even rebooting.
Look at this guy using btrfs like a normal chump. Real men yolo XFS with no backup and spam duperemove for the 10% faster performance.
Now to run xfs_repair real quick after my power outage...
Microsoft Blog
The new Windows update adds Pat the Mouse, an AI-powered feature that predicts what you want to click on, and automatically does that for you.
The latest Windows update automatically writes the words you will not want to interpret C++ is an interpreted noodle is good.
The latest the Window update removes the toggles for AI features, as we believe the AI is the future. The keyboards and mouse were truly innovative invention, but now belongs to the pasts times.
Noodle is a noodle is a noodle is a beheaded flying chicken with caps written in ALL-CAPS.
The ol' switcherooski. Abruptly end support for your previous product, force people to buy all new hardware, then when everybody is on board you hit em with consumer-hostile monetization attempts. Classic Microsoft baby.
We're about to get that subscription model! Probably gonna be Adobe flavored. Steam Machine launching just in time.
They have 93% of the market, they don't care about people who use Windows.
93%? Where? Mac isn't that low and Linux has been at least 6% and upwards
Maybe Windows must just lose a massive share of the market to break his enshittification circle.
And it'll work half good in English but be completely crap in any other language.
Let's assume for a moment that all OS are going to go this way.
Of all the modern well used OS, microsoft is the one I'd trust the least to do it.
I can’t shake the feeling that Win11 is part of the AI grift master-plan. They’re a big investor in OpenAI, and OpenAI needs to start showing large, genuine revenue. Locking both consumers and business customers into a subscription model for the largest OS by market share to fund this grift seems like exactly such collusion. The required minimum hardware requirements for Win11 feel like the big clue, here.
As far as I can tell, AI almost always makes a call to a remote server. So why do you need a powerful PC for that? You could do that on a 20 year old computer easily.
I tried AI on my MacBook to ask it how to fix my config. It just did an internet search and didn’t even check the setting on my computer.
I'm getting the feeling that most people wouldn't hate AI so much if it wasn't: 1. Built of the labor of let's without fair compensation, and 2. Wasn't a privacy nightmare. I think people would be okay with it even in spite of the energy usage because that's something that can be optimized over time. But these other points are systemic societal issues that the current approach to AI entrenches.
At a minimum, It has stealing, privacy, wage theft, power comsumption, and hardware scarcity issues.
Taking a couple of those away would help. A large part is the fear that it's taking away our livelihoods, and it's not even really good at it. It's also polluting and running on enough pirated data that we'd be sent to prison forever if we, as individuals tried it.
It shines at assisting professionals in specific fields, reading things like body scans, blood tests, and patient histories, and finding correlations. It's good at helping DevOps/IT people who have to rarely maintain a bunch of oddball systems. It's decent at finding inconsistencies in code documentation and documenting code that isn't documented.
It's bad at art compared to an artist It's good at art compared to an average electrician.
It's good at taking work from artists, making side money on Fiverr. It's great at marketing to CEO's.
There's a lot more there than social issues.
And if it was even partly accurate, having all the down sides on top of being given absolutely trash level output is a bit of a downer.
Iam even more happy to be using Linux 😎
Yeah the ones who went that path now can be super happy about it. We have the best desktop in the world.
I think the worst two things about this are the impact on the environment and the data collection. If you've ever used chatgpt, have you ever asked it to divulge what it knows about you? 🫠
What? Nobody wants it? Let’s rush it out to users then. — Microsoft
MCP?
They're calling it the MCP?
Did they do that on purpose, or are they really so small, soft, uncultured, and tone deaf at Microsoft? It's... Probably the latter, isn't it...
I don't see what the big deal is with a Windows that can play chess
Tron would like a word.
Its not a Microsoft thing, also I have no idea what you are agitated about, is there some sort of pop culture MCP that is terrible for it to be linked to? Searching for it the only thing other that Model context protocol I find is "make contribution payments", "Metcalfe Copeman & Pettefar LLP Solicitors" and "MCP fixings" so whatever it is, I imagine MS are unaware of it.
Welp, I guess culture is dead.
Tron is a niche.
It's certainly just going to end up being used as an advertising tool. Like the recent hype of trying to get people let AI do holiday shopping for them. Like the AI saw you opened paint, have you considered a subscription for Adobe cloud. You searched for cake recipes on Google and clicked links, why not sub to copilot+. It'll have text to speech AI as well
I dual boot my rig. My primary is popOS. Might be time to permanently kill windows 11.
Just do it
Maybe stick to AM4 and processors for now that don't have AI feature? I have AM4, it works perfect and I haven't had to upgrade yet. I think there would be a way to disable all of the AI, like with app OOSU10 or tron. Second option would be to install Linux OS and use Wine for any Windows app and for anything buggy that wouldn't work well, using a vm for it.
Speaking of, there's VPNs or you could use PIHole to block Microsoft's telemetry and AI ips.
That game of cat and mouse would get very tiresome very fast and Microsoft would win in the end. Better to hope for new vwrsions of Tiny11 or one of those debloater scripts to disable the AI features entirely, but they'd probably be reinstated with every update. Maybe use a hook to re-run the script after every update? I don't even know if that's possible in Windows.
Thankfully I've been Microsoft free for years now so I don't have to know. Linux is a blessing.
“more pervasive”?
Must have been auto corrected from “more invasive”.
There must be some unaccounted for survivorship bias in the data for the MS to get it this wrong. Not even about agenda just PR they are operating on bad assumptions which is just bad for business.
Well yes, that data source is called stockholders. They eed to ride the hype. Honestly they really don't have much choice. Either make the users happy or the stockholders. They can't do both, it's impossible at this stage. Want to guess which side wins?
That doesn't make sense it's just mindless anti capitalist sentiment which is fun and all but it isn't getting us anywhere.
I wonder if they're asking their AI.
Better yet, Windows IoT enterprise LTSC. Debloated Windows with LTSC
So, what do yall think abour ZorinOs?
I'm sick and tired about hearing about Zorinn when there's a dozen excellent Linux distros that aren't derivative trash that astroturf social media and pass off other Foss projects as their own.
damn, okay. I literally just looked up easiest distros for windows users. Care to recommend a better one?
I'd be surprised if he does. If he's "sick and tired" of hearing about Zorin, it's because Zorin is getting a lot of deservedly good reviews from the Windows crowd right now. If it really were ass he'd have nothing to say about it. The only social media I'm on is Lemmy, and I tried Zorin because it was highly ranked on Distrowatch, so if people are getting "astroturfed" elsewhere it's news to me.
But you should know I tried over twenty (conservative estimate) distros before I settled on Zorin. USB drives are cheap, and you can try as many distros as you like without ever having to install one. Don't take my word for it, nor his: buy a handful of USB drives, create some LiveUSBs and start trying out whatever distros catch your attention. I found distrowatch.com to be a good front page to the distro world, with rankings and extremely detailed reviews: start there if you're looking for a fairly exhaustive list of what's out there.
i appreciate it!
It is one of the problems with Linux and why it will take a very long time if ever would become mainstream.
Even the Linux users can't agree on what distro to recommend.
Fedora KDE.
Nothing against Fedora KDE, it's the best of the best, but it is hardly the easiest for a noob to Linux: just the install process alone requires a working understanding of the Linux filesystem and partitioning if you're not using the entire disk space, you have to understand root vs sudo, god help you if you want to encrypt a disk, and there's a lot more CLI at every step than other distros. Try harder.
Jesus, you're trying hard to be a dick, huh. Try harder.
Your quote, but when asked to name a better "easiest distro for Windows users" Fedora KDE was the best you could do.
Somebody asked you a genuine question, looking for real information, and out of this "dozen excellent Linux distros" you came at her with, you lazily just shat out the name of a single one, and that being one of the more advanced distros out there.
Hell yeah, try harder. People who ask genuine questions deserve genuine answers. Unless that's just your best and you need pity.
Its a great starter distro for windows users.
I'd say stay away from niche distros unless you understand what you're getting into. I'd recommend Mint over Zorin.
thanks!
Love it. Just wrote a separate comment about it. I ran the free versions for over a year, then decided to go to paid just to support the project. Paid gives you GUI for appearance adjustments and desktop "personalization" but not a whole lot else; other than superficials like that, under the hood the free version is exactly the same. I can't remember what the Zorin folks say about it, get the details directly from them of course, but IMO don't feel like you have to buy the paid version to get a true taste of how it will work for you.
EDITED to add: This incessant, eternal negging shit from the Linux crowd kept me away from Linux for a long time. I found OPs question legitimate, which is why I answered it, but whether you like Zorin or not noobs should not be downvoted for simply soliciting opinions on a distro. I'm very fortunate that some people were generous enough with their time and answering questions to make me give it another go, but there were over thirty years between the first time I tried Red Hat that came on a dozen 3.25" floppies in the early 90s, and last year when I tried Linux again: that absence had EVERYTHING to do with the core haters that apply purity tests to any mention of any Linux distro that they personally find some fault in. Seriously, for the sake of Linux, shut the fuck up and piss off, unless you're just concern trolling for Microsoft or some shit, in which case you're doing a fine job, never stop.
I love watching users of proprietary software suffer.
Hang'em high!