I’m getting pretty fucking sick of seeing this ‘no one should be killed for their political beliefs’ take going around.
He wasn’t killed for his beliefs. He was killed because he dedicated his life to terrorizing everyone who isn’t a conservative white man, and was materially supporting state violence in the pursuit of white supremacy.
That is 100% something we have firmly established that people should be shot for, in multiple wars throughout the last few centuries.
Holy shit, I'm in the middle of buttfuck nowhere with no internet for days, and THIS is the news that comes through when I reconnect?! Perhaps I treated this timeline too harshly
Don't worry. This is the casus belli that the Guardians Of Pedophiles have been trying to force for months. As much as I love California, I think it's time to head back to BC. Things are about to get much worse in the US.
My advice to anyone else that isn't prepared to fight for survival is to find a way out now. You don't have long.
"The shooter visited California once, where they were radicalized by the violent left."
"The shooter owned an iPhone, which is designed by Apple in California. The violent leftists are responsible."
"Liberals, who constantly demonize conservative speech, are responsible!"
There need not be any actual ties to Los Angeles, Chicago, or DC. They can cut any narrative they like from whole cloth. Denying reality and substituting their own is the rightist way.
For a lot of us we can't simply leave. And if we can, it could still take years for visas. If we are lucky it will be short, but I'm not too optimistic.
I feel bad that his children had to witness that, and even if they hadn't been there (which they were) they'd undoubtedly have the video clip shoved in their faces eventually. That's a hell of a way to lose a parent.
The fact that he died while in the middle of talking about trans mass shooters being a huge problem certainly makes it feel like cosmic karma at work. I struggle to give a shit about the man himself being shot dead. But I do worry about political violence... it's a very rare occasion when murdering someone sitting in a chair talking is a good idea. Not a single person in his right-wing sphere of repugnance is going to do any self-reflection and change their ways, they'll just become even more rabidly anti-everything left of Hitler. Shit like this doesn't go unanswered too often. Violence is a contagion with no cure except time, and the clock gets set back another decade every time someone retaliates. I'm sure we could chain all of these assassinations together into a causal sequence. But even if they're all independent events, the narrative-makers will be hard at work making it sound like a grand battle of the ages, so the result is the same either way.
Source: History, memory...
P.S. Any bets that the shooter was a MAGA nut? Seems to be the trend 👀
Thing is most gun owners who hunt know. I saw a man shot at close range when I was in my early twenties. I wasn't involved, just passenger in a car nearby when it happened. The next day there was nothing about it in the papers. Nothing at all. This guy gets shot and no one cared.
I shot pigs for slaughter at close range right between the eyes when I was ten or eleven years old. All us kids took a turn and in some ways it was a good thing. Its good you know where meat comes from. Only a fool would think that shooting a person isn't going to result in a large amount of blood. That shot was in a region of the body that has closely grouped large arteries and veins. No surprise there was so much blood. Anyone who is surprised should be thankful they have never seen something like that before.
I saw that video of the man shooting himself in those faces of death videos back in the 90's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Budd_Dwyer
I felt bad about it because they said he was a good man. As for Kirk I feel very little. His words have made me care very little for him. Similar to how I felt when that healthcare guy got deleted.
I realize I may be more desensitized to the things like this than most. At least I hope so.
No, but there was a shooting of 3 innocent students in Colorado today and now you know what happened to them. And the Uvalde students... Dozens of them...
The left is notoriously unarmed while the right is the reason our gun ownership is so high. At a time when the right threatens to take more and more away, this feels like a poor choice. Personally I agree with a very prominent leftist that the working class must be armed, and I feel that as those on the left we need to see the writing on the wall. The united states does not appear to be going a more peaceful direction, and if we want to keep having any rights for the workers at all we need to be ready to frustrate any attempt to disarm or otherwise neutralize us. In a world where the right does not threaten to take guns from trans folks or keep us from using our right to organize, we can talk about gun control again. Sadly we are sliding away from that so fast that I can't imagine where we will be at the end of this presidency.
Earlier this year, Utah passed House Bill 128 allowing people to conceal carry firearms on university campuses. One of the campuses where conceal carry was now permitted is, of course, Utah Valley University, where Charlie Kirk was visiting today. He was sitting under a tent with the slogan "Prove Me Wrong".
Immediately before the shooting, he was taking questions from the audience:
“Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?” an audience member asked. Kirk responded, “Too many.”
The questioner followed up: “Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?”
“Counting or not counting gang violence?” Kirk asked.
It's unfortunate that he's ineligible for the Darwin Award because he leaves behind 2 very young children and a culture warrior wife, because otherwise he'd be a great nominee for the 2025 Darwin Awards. Normally to get a Darwin Award someone has to directly kill themselves. But, I think in this case we could have make an exception for someone who was a cheerleader for gun rights and was sitting directly under a banner saying "Prove Me Wrong" when he was killed with a gun.
This is a TRAGEDY! WHY couldn't they MURDER A BUNCH OF KINDERGARTNERS Instead? This SUCKS! It's TIME for Trump to send the Military into the Shithole Blue state of Utah!
The full quote is even more something out of a movie too somehow.
He had just been asked if he knew how many mass shootings had been committed by trans people, to which he responded "too many," and was then asked if he knew how many mass shootings happened in the past ten years, where he responded "with or without gang violence?"
I have been desensitize to it because my twitter timeline has been flooded with toddlers having their skulls hollowed out by the IDF. A live-streamed holocaust has kind of made violence seem not that abnormal to me, so it comes across as strange when politicians cry about people advocating for violence, when literally most of them support industrial-scale genocide of hundreds of thousands that I see dying on a day-to-day basis. That alone has changed me from a "violence is inherently bad" type mofo to a "I would celebrate if most of these American politicians were [redacted]" type mofo. Why should I care if a person who loves mass murder of children dies? It's called karma.
It's always interesting when they use expressions like, god-given rights. That's not how it works. A right, in the US, is a privilege that has stronger legal protections. That's all. It's definitely not given by anyone other than the US government.
I was just thinking about that. Someone will whine about empathy sooner or later and I've come up with what I think is a pretty good response, feel free to use it if you agree.
I've been putting up with their hateful shit for most of my life, exactly how many years of that are required before I'm allowed to have an empty empathy tank for them?
yeah that was...very not gruesome? i've seen people hype it up but, like, that was nothing? unless you're afraid of blood i guess. most death i've seen in my life was way worse.
Yeah, that's not a good place to get shot. AP news said he, "grabbed up with his right hand to his left shoulder" or some shit but that dude is unconscious immediately. Just that old "fencer's response" Prolly gonna die.
Not just “violence”, but actively trying to downplay mass shootings by blaming them on “gang violence”. He’s a goon, but at least he’s the best kind of goon(a dead one).
“Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America in the last 10 years?” a person asks. “Counting or not counting gang violence?” Kirk responds right before he is shot.
It's my personal belief with absolutely no evidence that the person asking the questions and the shooter were working together. Those questions and the timing of the shot are just too fucking perfect.
Life is stranger than fiction. Yes, the timing worked out, that doesn’t mean fuck all. This isn’t a movie, and sometimes timing can be unintentionally poetic. The shooter could hear them, too, and may have decided that was the moment they wished to fire the shot on their own accord. Those types of questions are asked all the time at these shitty debates, it’s not even remotely special and it’s even a topic that is one of the core things Kirk pushed pretty heavily.
Everyone’s making up all kinds of conspiracies when the highly likely, nearly guaranteed, reality is that it was someone who came to the conclusion that the systems present in the US would not only do nothing to punish Kirk for his hate but in fact reward him for it. The same thing happened to a certain health insurance CEO for the same reason. They took the law into their own hands because the law does exist to serve victims, only oppressors.
Yes, this means the violence all too present in the US has finally come to white conservatives. Deal with it.
Fuck, glad I waited to smoke a joint on that one. That doesn't really seem survivable. Especially with the way the body moved. Though I want confirmation.
Loved and admired by all!? Good with the youth!? I know we are not supposed to talk ill of the dead, but do we have to literally make up lies about him?
of course trump needed a big distraction, and now media is only focused on it right now. im pretty sure melania is a reaper, waiting til you pass so she can have your will.
Shhh, do you hear that? That's the bullet headed to my neck.
If America, and the taxes we pay for them to kill, kills innocent civilians, and most of us go along everyday not giving a fuck then why should we give a single fuck about this?
Shit my paid taxes paid less for this than more monstrous murders. There's less blood on my hands from this murder than the Israel Gaza war or any other war. Basically my tax payments have paid for more heartless shit than this. Yet that's all cool and this is supposed to not be okay?
I am so glad that i live in the timeline where Charlie Kirk was the sole victim of a school shooting. I'm glad he could die defending the Second Amendment
I was getting my haircut and FOX was on the TV when I found out he died from the shooting. Barbershop is Vietnamese owned and the barber was busy on his phone when I get there. I've been there many times without FOX on the TV and hope they just put a random news channel on.
Fox was showing the reaction from various congress-critters and they got to AOC. AOC's message was this another example of we we need some gun control in a much better way than I am relaying. When FOX went back to the host he immediately said she was wrong. HIPAA laws should be relaxed so problematic people could be found before they commit crimes.
I wonder if the right wing "think" tanks who fund TPUSA are going to try to find a new grifter to run the show or let it die with Kirk and start a new thing.
His video gaming days are over. I am assuming that he played videogames.
If you’re nice to people and you’re a positive force in society and you do t associate with bad people, no one is going to hate you or laugh at you when you die. Heck all you need is to be neutral. The bar is pretty low.
Fascists absolutely love guns. The proof is right here in front of our faces. Guns will never protect us from fascists because violence is what they want.
I am so sorry to hear your hero died AKA the great white MLK. If it is any solace he died proving his point. An "armed citizenry comes with a price" as he was found of saying.
You're probably not very good at social interaction, are you? I didn't say anything praising him, I just intentionally spend time in left and right spaces so I understand both groups pretty well. It's depressing how many tools there everywhere, you aren't giving me much hope either.
Not at all, I just immediately suspected you of trolling based on what you said. I read your comment history and I confirmed my suspicion.
Speaking of social interactions, part of that is reading the room. This means understanding the temperature and leaning of the group you are discussing things with.
Kirk recognized this and very carefully crafted his image by omitting anytime someone put him in his place and using plausible deniability to conceal his misogynist and racist right wing viewpoints.
Your MLK comments were particularly interesting considering he was known for saying things like Martin Luther King Jr. is exaggerated, calling King “awful… not a good person.” and also calling the Civil Rights Movement "a huge mistake."
Perhaps you are just ill informed and made a mistake. From my viewpoint you could perhaps be just like him. Someone pushing a right wing agenda that is not afraid to lie and conceal the truth.
I think most of the world's population does live under the thumb of authoritarian governments. I'm not only opposed to the fascist right, I'm opposed to authoritarian left too.
Ideological assassinations are a huge step in the wrong direction. Once you open the door to violence in place of speech and exchange of ideas, it's a bad place. Everyone should condemn this. Do you honestly believe it's a good idea to start killing people? Who is next? It's not always going to be people you disagree with, and ANY murders need to be condemned.
Our citizenry is headed right toward authoritarian dystopia. I think what we have in store is worse than death. If you were trans and black right now, you would not defend them. They are causing anxiety and suffering, and they absolutely do not care about the Genocide in Gaza. This surveillance state, widening inequality, constant war, rampant racism, homophobia, and everything else they are doing will destroy us all. We have no future. That is sick to me. Psychopaths win every time. These will too. I am just holding off until I need to die.
Yeah well that's a better example than the American revolution anyway, but I guess I view revolution against government as being a little different than murder of a citizen exercising their right to free speech. The French revolution also was fighting to establish a democracy, wherein people could freely exchange ideas and contribute to the shape of government. Democracy doesn't work if people murder each other instead of discussing things and using your vote to shape government. Violence must be prohibited and overwhelmingly condemned or it devolves into a zero sum game. This isn't a victory for the left, this is a loss for society, further degradation of our republic.
I was about to comment on how no-one ever actually uses the 2A to do any good but then I gathered from context that I've slept through half a news cycle.
I just disagree with him. I suppose he would have said his own death was worth the price for freedom, right? So he proved his own point, but I just can’t get on board with it.
Talk about self-prophecy. Get shot after saying it's necessary and nobody give a damn so he can get no empathy like he wanted too. Why are people upset? He got everything he asked for. I'm happy for him. If he only wished for hugs instead of guns maybe he could have received that instead? Who knows, maybe not?
Either way the Law of Attraction is some serious shit.
The civil war has been happening but mostly it's just feds playing with themselves using pawns trying to entice real human beings to join in.
Look at all the history of the CIA and fed assassinations... And look at that kill shot.
Look at the joke assignations attempts they used on trump... Because he wasn't supposed to really die yet.
There's a reason Kirk died and Trump didn't.
They are both pawns, but Kirk was a lower pawn.
Legal Modern Mafia that sacrifices their own by extorting people to kill for them. The same as the game in the streets. The sad part is most people don't realize they are used.
You don't have to like him, but jeez people in here are messed up. I'm a little surprised that so many people are celebrating an ideological assassination. Democracy literally cannot survive if opinions are punishable by death, and that alone should be soundly condemned.
You guys don’t understand. I am so sick of seeing calls for violence. I’m so sick of seeing coldness toward violence.
Someone is going to want to retaliate. That’s what the fuck violence brings. Unless you win completely, and the only kind of motherfuckers who win completely are people who exterminate everyone who opposes them.
Is that what the fuck we want?
Do we want to see important figures in a left-wing movement assassinated? Someone is going to be upset enough to fire a gun at someone you care about.
Violence begets violence.
I can’t stand reading this shit anymore. I really can’t.
A bunch of fucking keyboard warriors stoked as shit when someone gets killed. Never ever fucking smart enough to think about what comes next. Well, get ready for it. Someone is going to be angry enough to shoot back, that is a promise. Go look at a fucking history book. Nobody takes this kind of thing sitting down.
If you think anything good is going to come from this, you are a goddamn fool.
Leaders in a movement you care about are about to be assassinated in retaliation by some moron with a fucking gun.
I’ve got to get the fuck away from all this noise. I’m half tempted to fucking throw my phone in the creek and never look back.
Y’all want to kill each other and then cheer when someone is fucking murdered, fine.
Goddamn.
I fucking hated Charlie Kirk. If he had died naturally, I’d be the first one to piss on his fucking grave. Some idiot made a martyr, that’s what they did. Curious motherfucking kids who never heard anything he said will now listen to everything he ever said. You can’t kill an Ideology by killing the people who espouse said ideology.
I just want to beat my head into a fucking wall. I’m so fucking burned out. Fuck anybody who is OK with bullets traveling through the flesh of any of their fellow men. Go into a field and fire the guns yourselves against other idiots who want to fire guns, the rest of us are sick of your fucking violence.
Hi guys! Just because he was an awful person doesn't mean he deserves to die. I am actually horrified by how many people are condoning this, especially when this man has a family and a wife and it's not even like trump when it would have actually done anything for our country. all this has done has made a gigantic fuss and give fox news rage bait.
You were a good Christian man with moral principles with a wife and 2 kids. You were killed by a lunatic while you were exercising your freedom of speech, you were persecuted by your opponents. Some may say that's a form of fascism, the same party that accused you of being.
The violent rhetoric of the left influenced some weak minded soul to take you from your children, and also taken your quotes out of context.
Charlie Kirk never robbed a pregnant woman at gun point, or robbed a bank, or killed a woman on a train, but instead encouraged open conversation between all parties so they could understand each other in a meaningful way.
May you rest in peace, and may your naysayers see the evil in their ways and repent. They may mock you because they're unable to refute your debates, but they will reap what they sow.
Nah empathy is for the weak.
I’m getting pretty fucking sick of seeing this ‘no one should be killed for their political beliefs’ take going around.
He wasn’t killed for his beliefs. He was killed because he dedicated his life to terrorizing everyone who isn’t a conservative white man, and was materially supporting state violence in the pursuit of white supremacy.
That is 100% something we have firmly established that people should be shot for, in multiple wars throughout the last few centuries.
I wouldn't use the word "living".
he would die for his beliefs
Well, not voluntarily. There's a difference.
He was literally lying about mass shootings when he was shot:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/conservative-activist-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-valley-university-event-spokesperson-says
Sounds like he was trying to push for taking away gun rights for trans people.
That, and then immediately dog whistling about minorities. Fuck him.
Well he's in hell now.
It wouldn't surprise me one bit.
Sometimes in the future...
"Mummy, what kind of man was Daddy?"
"Well... His final words were 'Counting or not counting gang violence?'"
He died doing what he loved, making excuses for gun violence.
You don't; i doubt he consented, so it ckunts for nothing. but we can pretend we're laughing with rather than at him.
Wikipedia editors already 'was'ed all his 'is's 😂
lol. lmao, even.
Hey, I said that.
Thank you. You're a friend though, you don't have to use my full name. Just call me "Ass".
"Charlie Kirk proven wrong."
It is Wednesday, my dudes.
Thoughts and prayers
Holy shit, I'm in the middle of buttfuck nowhere with no internet for days, and THIS is the news that comes through when I reconnect?! Perhaps I treated this timeline too harshly
Don't worry. This is the casus belli that the Guardians Of Pedophiles have been trying to force for months. As much as I love California, I think it's time to head back to BC. Things are about to get much worse in the US.
My advice to anyone else that isn't prepared to fight for survival is to find a way out now. You don't have long.
"The shooter visited California once, where they were radicalized by the violent left."
"The shooter owned an iPhone, which is designed by Apple in California. The violent leftists are responsible."
"Liberals, who constantly demonize conservative speech, are responsible!"
There need not be any actual ties to Los Angeles, Chicago, or DC. They can cut any narrative they like from whole cloth. Denying reality and substituting their own is the rightist way.
For a lot of us we can't simply leave. And if we can, it could still take years for visas. If we are lucky it will be short, but I'm not too optimistic.
I'm not intending to leave my country to the Nazis.
Careful sounds like your guard is slipping...
You should go off grid for a week and see what zombie apocalypse you've missed.
This guy basically had a twilight zone when he reconnect.
7 Days Without Clocks or Windows
Things Trump do to stop people from talking about Epstein...
::: spoiler I guess some people can change. :::
I feel bad that his children had to witness that, and even if they hadn't been there (which they were) they'd undoubtedly have the video clip shoved in their faces eventually. That's a hell of a way to lose a parent.
The fact that he died while in the middle of talking about trans mass shooters being a huge problem certainly makes it feel like cosmic karma at work. I struggle to give a shit about the man himself being shot dead. But I do worry about political violence... it's a very rare occasion when murdering someone sitting in a chair talking is a good idea. Not a single person in his right-wing sphere of repugnance is going to do any self-reflection and change their ways, they'll just become even more rabidly anti-everything left of Hitler. Shit like this doesn't go unanswered too often. Violence is a contagion with no cure except time, and the clock gets set back another decade every time someone retaliates. I'm sure we could chain all of these assassinations together into a causal sequence. But even if they're all independent events, the narrative-makers will be hard at work making it sound like a grand battle of the ages, so the result is the same either way.
Source: History, memory...
P.S. Any bets that the shooter was a MAGA nut? Seems to be the trend 👀
Every gun owner should watch the front row video of what guns do to a human body.
Thing is most gun owners who hunt know. I saw a man shot at close range when I was in my early twenties. I wasn't involved, just passenger in a car nearby when it happened. The next day there was nothing about it in the papers. Nothing at all. This guy gets shot and no one cared.
I shot pigs for slaughter at close range right between the eyes when I was ten or eleven years old. All us kids took a turn and in some ways it was a good thing. Its good you know where meat comes from. Only a fool would think that shooting a person isn't going to result in a large amount of blood. That shot was in a region of the body that has closely grouped large arteries and veins. No surprise there was so much blood. Anyone who is surprised should be thankful they have never seen something like that before.
I saw that video of the man shooting himself in those faces of death videos back in the 90's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Budd_Dwyer I felt bad about it because they said he was a good man. As for Kirk I feel very little. His words have made me care very little for him. Similar to how I felt when that healthcare guy got deleted.
I realize I may be more desensitized to the things like this than most. At least I hope so.
It is. It really should be a prerequisite for gun ownership: you have to kill something.
That is a threshold I can't personally cross, so I don't think I should own a gun (and I dont).
That's the point. A gun's purpose is to kill.
And I was thinking of the victim being an animal that needs to be euthanized or something.
Cynically, I think this has already happened. That horse has bolted.
Which is your say, I do agree with your argument, I just think it's already too late to argue it.
If taser training includes being tased, gun training should include being shot.
And when that person is Charlie Kirk it’s a beautiful thing.
Yup, I did. Now what? Am I supposed to feel bad that an asshole died?
No, but there was a shooting of 3 innocent students in Colorado today and now you know what happened to them. And the Uvalde students... Dozens of them...
https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/shooting-evergreen-high-school-denver-metro-area/
And disarming the working class while fascism runs amuck won't do a damn thing for them.
Meanwhile, your "working class" is armed to the teeth and fascism is still running amok.
The left is notoriously unarmed while the right is the reason our gun ownership is so high. At a time when the right threatens to take more and more away, this feels like a poor choice. Personally I agree with a very prominent leftist that the working class must be armed, and I feel that as those on the left we need to see the writing on the wall. The united states does not appear to be going a more peaceful direction, and if we want to keep having any rights for the workers at all we need to be ready to frustrate any attempt to disarm or otherwise neutralize us. In a world where the right does not threaten to take guns from trans folks or keep us from using our right to organize, we can talk about gun control again. Sadly we are sliding away from that so fast that I can't imagine where we will be at the end of this presidency.
Heh. The left talks about their guns less. They don't have guns on their Christmas cards with their kids as part of their identity.
But there are plenty of leftists with guns.
No it fucking isn't. Democrats have ensured that.
Ok buddy.
Making people think they don't need guns.
You're right, we already have a goal. There's no way we can do 2 things at once or one after another... Just impossible. Thank you for your insight.
How do you know the 3 students shot weren't also assholes?
Not that I disagree per se, but this just sounds like the STD powerpoint from middle school health class: useless by itself.
Tell me you got an STD without telling me you got an STD...
Great foreshadowing too.
Earlier this year, Utah passed House Bill 128 allowing people to conceal carry firearms on university campuses. One of the campuses where conceal carry was now permitted is, of course, Utah Valley University, where Charlie Kirk was visiting today. He was sitting under a tent with the slogan "Prove Me Wrong".
Immediately before the shooting, he was taking questions from the audience:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/conservative-activist-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-valley-university-event-spokesperson-says
It's unfortunate that he's ineligible for the Darwin Award because he leaves behind 2 very young children and a culture warrior wife, because otherwise he'd be a great nominee for the 2025 Darwin Awards. Normally to get a Darwin Award someone has to directly kill themselves. But, I think in this case we could have make an exception for someone who was a cheerleader for gun rights and was sitting directly under a banner saying "Prove Me Wrong" when he was killed with a gun.
This is a TRAGEDY! WHY couldn't they MURDER A BUNCH OF KINDERGARTNERS Instead? This SUCKS! It's TIME for Trump to send the Military into the Shithole Blue state of Utah!
Not too soon. Just in the neck of time.
Aaaand this is how I found out. Good riddance!
I found out from a clip wife showed me. Got no clue who he was but he was surrounded by MAGA hats.
Boy that was a lot of blood!
Can you link me the clip? All I'm seeing are the versions on news sites
https://mastodon.social/@Ulfh3dnar/115181548207581457 NSFL!
Did he get hit in the neck? That's a lot of blood
Yeah, kind of surprised there wasn't an arterial spray tbh.
Died in the middle of complaining about "gang violence" 👌
The full quote is even more something out of a movie too somehow.
He had just been asked if he knew how many mass shootings had been committed by trans people, to which he responded "too many," and was then asked if he knew how many mass shootings happened in the past ten years, where he responded "with or without gang violence?"
Dog whistle after dog whistle with that guy.
That was not an easy watch.
I know, I had trouble breathing after laughing that hard
I have been desensitize to it because my twitter timeline has been flooded with toddlers having their skulls hollowed out by the IDF. A live-streamed holocaust has kind of made violence seem not that abnormal to me, so it comes across as strange when politicians cry about people advocating for violence, when literally most of them support industrial-scale genocide of hundreds of thousands that I see dying on a day-to-day basis. That alone has changed me from a "violence is inherently bad" type mofo to a "I would celebrate if most of these American politicians were [redacted]" type mofo. Why should I care if a person who loves mass murder of children dies? It's called karma.
Yeah, the video was too shakey and then that guy walks right in the way.
Been looking for the link but kind of immediately regretted watching that jesus fuck that's a lot of blood.
It's easy to find on theync
to bad rubbish.
America's Finest News Source
I don’t really agree with much about anything this guys says but at least he’s willing to commit to what he believes and leads by example.
It's always interesting when they use expressions like, god-given rights. That's not how it works. A right, in the US, is a privilege that has stronger legal protections. That's all. It's definitely not given by anyone other than the US government.
When you're about to wear your heart on your sleeve:
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler :::
That is a fucking savage post. But, according to the victim, Empathy is a fault. Funny how that plays out.
the only reasonable course of action is to mock him mercilessly. it's what he would have wanted.
FYI, spoiler tags do not work across all platforms.
I chose a moment to screenshot that wasn't over the top gore, it's fine.
The following moments looked like the blood splatter from a later Tarantino film. Soo much fucking blood.
His neck was recreating the elevator scene in The Shining.
Edit:
Picked a bad day to wear a white shirt.
Though not the biggest of his problems.
So not a full Marvin, from pulp fiction?
No, Marvin got it in the skull and had hydrostatic shock. Charlie got a long distance tracheotomy.
Jesus Christ I shouldn't have laughed at that.
aw he looks like he's pooping his pants
wittle panty pooper with a wittle face
edit: remember, it's okay to make fun of Nazis
Jfc
Oof where'd you get that????
Screenshot from the video link posted in another comment.
Interesting, looks like it could have been a sniper round. Whoever did this was definitely prepared.
https://youtu.be/Ag1o3koTLWM
Wasn't sure where to post this since I'm not aware of a Lemmy equivalent of r/imgoingtohellforthis
Political memes is probably fine at this point
When the real life is so absurd, the shitposts are just posts. Anyway dude had it coming.
Thoughts and prayers, bitch
He died doing what he loved.
Has he tried this tho?
Mainstream corporate media will ignore this like they did the 2 democratic senators right? Right?
Why didn't he just edit out his death, like he did with all the debates he lost? Is he stupid?
It's my birthday today so hearing about it is one of the best birthday gifts
The man lived and died by his words.
The saddest thing about it all. MAGA already blaming Dems. No one knows anything about the shooter or motive. But it's the Dems fault
It is amazing what Trump does to distract from the Epstein files.
Why do god-given rights need to be protected?
Nah he's cold now, it's all good.
Wait what? Did someone off him??
Yeah, news hasn't said he's dead yet, but the video is very gruesome. I don't see anyway he'd survive.
Very very not safe for work / lunch - click at your own risk. https://mastodon.social/@Ulfh3dnar/115181548207581457
Edit: He's dead. https://www-nbcnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/rcna230437?amp_js_v=0.1&_gsa=1#webview=1
Damn couldn’t happen to a nicer guy
I was eating lunch when I watched it. I'm fine. I have empathy when I step on a bug. Not for hateful people like that though.
I was just thinking about that. Someone will whine about empathy sooner or later and I've come up with what I think is a pretty good response, feel free to use it if you agree.
You can do even better. Charlie Kirk said "I think empathy is a made up New Age term that does a lot of damage"
Just tell them Kirk wouldn't want you to feel empathy.
Here is the correct response to people asking for empathy for Charlie Kirk.
https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-says-gun-deaths-worth-it-2nd-amendment-1793113
“I think empathy is a made up New Age term that does a lot of damage" -Charlie Kirk-
A friend is aghast at how I can react the way I do. My response is "do you think these 'just opinions' exist in a void?"
yeah that was...very not gruesome? i've seen people hype it up but, like, that was nothing? unless you're afraid of blood i guess. most death i've seen in my life was way worse.
You shouldn't be so proud of being unbothered by watching a person bleeding out.
Jesus Christ, when someone said a fountain i thought they were playing it up
That's a blood-rich area of the body.
Yes i know, but it's not something you see everyday in HD and close up.
Most of the gore videos I saw as a teen didn't even come close to how clear this was and i saw a cartel beheading video.
Clicked on it. Yeah that’s some NSFL stuff.
eh. that was a good bit of blood, but if you've seen someone die outside of a hospital you've probably seen worse.
Yeah. Modern medicine is amazing, but that looks pretty much un-surviveable.
You'd be surprised. Trump would definitely have blabbed about it by now though
Yeah, that's not a good place to get shot. AP news said he, "grabbed up with his right hand to his left shoulder" or some shit but that dude is unconscious immediately. Just that old "fencer's response" Prolly gonna die.
I unfortunately looked at it. The guy saying, "Yeah, gang violence" right before, is some weird shit.
Also, why would anyone kill him? He's been irrelevant for awhile now, yeah?
“Violence “ was the last word that shitstain said in this world. 🤷🤷🤷🐆🐆🐆
Not just “violence”, but actively trying to downplay mass shootings by blaming them on “gang violence”. He’s a goon, but at least he’s the best kind of goon(a dead one).
Oh the irony. A fatuous right-wing fuckwhit who loves guns (but who hates trans people and abortions - freedom for me but not for theeee!) gets shot and killed on a campus that Republicans recently allowed concealed carry on campuses. https://attheu.utah.edu/facultystaff/new-rules-for-concealed-weapons-on-campus/
Lol, amazing
Where were the good guys with guns??
I'd love to know the context for maximum irony.
My thot sand prayers go to him, and I agree with OP.
From NYT (cw: gift link to live report with details of shooting):
Yea, all that gang violence in all those schools, Chuck.
What a perfect time for him to be shot. It’s poetry, truly.
It's my personal belief with absolutely no evidence that the person asking the questions and the shooter were working together. Those questions and the timing of the shot are just too fucking perfect.
Life is stranger than fiction. Yes, the timing worked out, that doesn’t mean fuck all. This isn’t a movie, and sometimes timing can be unintentionally poetic. The shooter could hear them, too, and may have decided that was the moment they wished to fire the shot on their own accord. Those types of questions are asked all the time at these shitty debates, it’s not even remotely special and it’s even a topic that is one of the core things Kirk pushed pretty heavily.
Everyone’s making up all kinds of conspiracies when the highly likely, nearly guaranteed, reality is that it was someone who came to the conclusion that the systems present in the US would not only do nothing to punish Kirk for his hate but in fact reward him for it. The same thing happened to a certain health insurance CEO for the same reason. They took the law into their own hands because the law does exist to serve victims, only oppressors.
Yes, this means the violence all too present in the US has finally come to white conservatives. Deal with it.
They’re trying to make him big again. So much for that, I guess
He really stuck his neck out for it, worked himself bloody. He took his shot.
Stuck to his guns
Who needs an RSS feed? I can get curated news delivered to me in lemmy comments
Fuck, glad I waited to smoke a joint on that one. That doesn't really seem survivable. Especially with the way the body moved. Though I want confirmation.
My mom is watching cable news and just texted me they said he died. I'll see if I can find a print version.
edit: He's dead. https://www-nbcnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/rcna230437?amp_js_v=0.1&_gsa=1#webview=1
I'll wait for another source this dude is always lying.
AP has reported it now
He’s a narcissist. He only lies to make himself look better.
Loved and admired by all!? Good with the youth!? I know we are not supposed to talk ill of the dead, but do we have to literally make up lies about him?
of course trump needed a big distraction, and now media is only focused on it right now. im pretty sure melania is a reaper, waiting til you pass so she can have your will.
Fabulous!
I love all of you so much.
Advocating for the removal of others rights is violence. This seems like self defense.
Never too soon.
Have you even sent your thoughts and prayers yet?
Charlie Kirk died defending the 2nd Amendment 😂
Curious. He claims to be pro life, but dies
Shhh, do you hear that? That's the bullet headed to my neck.
If America, and the taxes we pay for them to kill, kills innocent civilians, and most of us go along everyday not giving a fuck then why should we give a single fuck about this?
Shit my paid taxes paid less for this than more monstrous murders. There's less blood on my hands from this murder than the Israel Gaza war or any other war. Basically my tax payments have paid for more heartless shit than this. Yet that's all cool and this is supposed to not be okay?
Rot in piss, Charlie!!! Happy you’re dead
I am so glad that i live in the timeline where Charlie Kirk was the sole victim of a school shooting. I'm glad he could die defending the Second Amendment
A 9/11's eve miracle!
Hey, guy lived up to his lofty ideals. Can't fault him for that
He literally got what he asked for. You would hope it might give some of the other hate peddlers pause.....but I doubt it.
What a terrible person to not miss.
Wearing a shirt that says FREEDOM while being shot in the neck. FAFO
Oh dear! Thoughts and prayers 🙏
If only there’d been a bad guy with a gun around to stop this.
Quick! Send the National Guard to occupy that blue state hellhole, Utah!
hah trump called him a bottom
I was getting my haircut and FOX was on the TV when I found out he died from the shooting. Barbershop is Vietnamese owned and the barber was busy on his phone when I get there. I've been there many times without FOX on the TV and hope they just put a random news channel on.
Fox was showing the reaction from various congress-critters and they got to AOC. AOC's message was this another example of we we need some gun control in a much better way than I am relaying. When FOX went back to the host he immediately said she was wrong. HIPAA laws should be relaxed so problematic people could be found before they commit crimes.
I wonder if the right wing "think" tanks who fund TPUSA are going to try to find a new grifter to run the show or let it die with Kirk and start a new thing.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/23/turning-point-rightwing-youth-group-critics-tactics
Christmas came early this year T_T
I needed some catharsis.
Awwwwww.... damnit.... Why wasn't it Trump ‽‽
More, please.
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety
~Ben Franklin.
(Realized this could be miss interpreted. I mean Kirk doesn't deserve neither liberty nor safety)
First I heard he was shot and assumed not bad, found the video and… he was dead before be hit the ground
His video gaming days are over. I am assuming that he played videogames.
If you’re nice to people and you’re a positive force in society and you do t associate with bad people, no one is going to hate you or laugh at you when you die. Heck all you need is to be neutral. The bar is pretty low.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Nope right on time.
I agree with his statement here. Oligarchs would love it if the working class were disarmed.
In most of the world, they are. And most of the world doesn't have fascists in charge.
Fascists absolutely love guns. The proof is right here in front of our faces. Guns will never protect us from fascists because violence is what they want.
Who did the violence again?
I am so sorry to hear your hero died AKA the great white MLK. If it is any solace he died proving his point. An "armed citizenry comes with a price" as he was found of saying.
Peace be with you.
You're probably not very good at social interaction, are you? I didn't say anything praising him, I just intentionally spend time in left and right spaces so I understand both groups pretty well. It's depressing how many tools there everywhere, you aren't giving me much hope either.
Not at all, I just immediately suspected you of trolling based on what you said. I read your comment history and I confirmed my suspicion.
Speaking of social interactions, part of that is reading the room. This means understanding the temperature and leaning of the group you are discussing things with.
Kirk recognized this and very carefully crafted his image by omitting anytime someone put him in his place and using plausible deniability to conceal his misogynist and racist right wing viewpoints.
Your MLK comments were particularly interesting considering he was known for saying things like Martin Luther King Jr. is exaggerated, calling King “awful… not a good person.” and also calling the Civil Rights Movement "a huge mistake."
Perhaps you are just ill informed and made a mistake. From my viewpoint you could perhaps be just like him. Someone pushing a right wing agenda that is not afraid to lie and conceal the truth.
Quoth the tool
I think most of the world's population does live under the thumb of authoritarian governments. I'm not only opposed to the fascist right, I'm opposed to authoritarian left too.
Kirk survived because good guys with guns stopped the bad guys with guns, right?....right?
i mean hes right. shoulda just been on the right side of history
He's even promoting shooting people who try to take your rights away.
What was the saying with the good guy with a gun again?
sic semper tyrannis
"Not like THAT! Other peoples deaths!"
Rest in piss, cunt
Just confirmed dead
Two in the thoughts, one in the prayers, you shitbag.
Not soon enough.
that blood was pretty red and it was all over him, so i'd consider him red-blooded still
Live by the sword...
God given rights?
Didn't the British leave Britain for America to get away from the church and give themselves their own rights?
And this was how I found out... The leopards will be eating well tonight...
Second amendment you say
Yes, but also you reap what you sow. I am sure he knows in his heart he had to die to protect second amendment rights! /S
Edit: Some gun deaths = 1,400 children and 45,000 adults.
Gum control
🏅
No. Leopards had a big meal today.
Not really; have you seen his face? It's all tiny. Hardly a snack.
They would full up on forehead
They are not god-given. And they are eroding quickly. Did guns help against that in any way?
Fucking stupid move. If he survives, he'll be a hero, if he dies, he'll be a martyr.
Well, a martyr he is...
That depends on who is emboldened by the news.
Right-wingers might "good riddance, I got mine"
Left-wingers might "hey, we could get democracy back"
I'm just sick of waiting around while the world slowly gets fucked over
get on with it and get it over with. hopefully the not-nazis win
You can't murder your way into democracy.
...where do you think most democracies came from?
They must've been... Immaculately concieved.
Not from murdering people who speak their opinions.
What do do think Civil wars are then?
Those aren't about murdering fellow citizens because of what they say.
That's news to me.
Because Civil wars are fought between fellow citizens and usally about positions those people have espoused.
The irony of using the American revolution to justify murdering people for speaking their opinion...
No your example is just really really bad
The infrastructure for democracy is already there. It's just been shelved temporarily by the current admin.
Ideological assassinations are a huge step in the wrong direction. Once you open the door to violence in place of speech and exchange of ideas, it's a bad place. Everyone should condemn this. Do you honestly believe it's a good idea to start killing people? Who is next? It's not always going to be people you disagree with, and ANY murders need to be condemned.
This is just the trolley problem. If you can save 5 people by killing 1, is it correct to do so, or take no action?
Well, we've got lots of people taking no action, and look where that's got us.
You don't get to just kill people that you suspect are evil. This isn't some complicated ethical dilemma.
Tell that to Charlie. He advocated for that actual fucking reality.
Dude you are sick
Our citizenry is headed right toward authoritarian dystopia. I think what we have in store is worse than death. If you were trans and black right now, you would not defend them. They are causing anxiety and suffering, and they absolutely do not care about the Genocide in Gaza. This surveillance state, widening inequality, constant war, rampant racism, homophobia, and everything else they are doing will destroy us all. We have no future. That is sick to me. Psychopaths win every time. These will too. I am just holding off until I need to die.
Tell that to France.
Yeah well that's a better example than the American revolution anyway, but I guess I view revolution against government as being a little different than murder of a citizen exercising their right to free speech. The French revolution also was fighting to establish a democracy, wherein people could freely exchange ideas and contribute to the shape of government. Democracy doesn't work if people murder each other instead of discussing things and using your vote to shape government. Violence must be prohibited and overwhelmingly condemned or it devolves into a zero sum game. This isn't a victory for the left, this is a loss for society, further degradation of our republic.
I don't think anybody thinks the United Healthcare CEO was a martyr, why would it be different here?
Dickhead memelord got where Mosley and Rockwell didn't.
I was about to comment on how no-one ever actually uses the 2A to do any good but then I gathered from context that I've slept through half a news cycle.
Fkin a
He reaped what he sowed, may we all be so lucky.
Curious
Thoughts and prayers.
RIP bozo, it’s jover!
It is possible to be empathetic about the manner of his death and the suffering it has caused while still being happy he is gone.
He's dead: https://www.trumpstruth.org/statuses/32921
Or too late?
It's his own fault. Nobody told him to trip and fall on those bullets.
He got his own personal 2A.
Sucks to suck.
Shameless propagandist loser
Reality is healing.
But not like that! Only the right rights! /s
Not fast enough in my opinion. Dude was a piece of shit and died for what he believed in. Fuck him.
I just disagree with him. I suppose he would have said his own death was worth the price for freedom, right? So he proved his own point, but I just can’t get on board with it.
Never too soon. Enjoy the consequences of your actions in Hell, bub.
His face seems larger in this pic than usual
World's smallest violin plays.
Charlie Murk
Right on time. The consequences of your own inaction.
Translating this into MAGA-speak: "God called him home on the express... possibly Nitro. Who are we to question His plan?"
Nah, this is the right time
tee hee
Too late.
Horst Wessel shot and killed at Utah Valley University event.
I need this Onion article.
Gun deaths from the son of a sheriff deputy and care worker, y'know, the typical "homegrowns".
His death doesn't proof him wrong. Drones and robots will, when the rights are taken and the weapons are not enough to defend them.
„Deus vult“
Talk about self-prophecy. Get shot after saying it's necessary and nobody give a damn so he can get no empathy like he wanted too. Why are people upset? He got everything he asked for. I'm happy for him. If he only wished for hugs instead of guns maybe he could have received that instead? Who knows, maybe not?
Either way the Law of Attraction is some serious shit.
Haa
I'm curious about the math behind his equation.
How many times the second amendement has been used? I mean, actually used. How many deaths?
Very ironic
"Kirked" is a verb. Past tense obviously. /S
The civil war has been happening but mostly it's just feds playing with themselves using pawns trying to entice real human beings to join in.
Look at all the history of the CIA and fed assassinations... And look at that kill shot.
Look at the joke assignations attempts they used on trump... Because he wasn't supposed to really die yet.
There's a reason Kirk died and Trump didn't.
They are both pawns, but Kirk was a lower pawn.
Legal Modern Mafia that sacrifices their own by extorting people to kill for them. The same as the game in the streets. The sad part is most people don't realize they are used.
You don't have to like him, but jeez people in here are messed up. I'm a little surprised that so many people are celebrating an ideological assassination. Democracy literally cannot survive if opinions are punishable by death, and that alone should be soundly condemned.
You guys don’t understand. I am so sick of seeing calls for violence. I’m so sick of seeing coldness toward violence.
Someone is going to want to retaliate. That’s what the fuck violence brings. Unless you win completely, and the only kind of motherfuckers who win completely are people who exterminate everyone who opposes them.
Is that what the fuck we want?
Do we want to see important figures in a left-wing movement assassinated? Someone is going to be upset enough to fire a gun at someone you care about.
Violence begets violence.
I can’t stand reading this shit anymore. I really can’t.
A bunch of fucking keyboard warriors stoked as shit when someone gets killed. Never ever fucking smart enough to think about what comes next. Well, get ready for it. Someone is going to be angry enough to shoot back, that is a promise. Go look at a fucking history book. Nobody takes this kind of thing sitting down.
If you think anything good is going to come from this, you are a goddamn fool.
Leaders in a movement you care about are about to be assassinated in retaliation by some moron with a fucking gun.
I’ve got to get the fuck away from all this noise. I’m half tempted to fucking throw my phone in the creek and never look back.
Y’all want to kill each other and then cheer when someone is fucking murdered, fine.
Goddamn.
I fucking hated Charlie Kirk. If he had died naturally, I’d be the first one to piss on his fucking grave. Some idiot made a martyr, that’s what they did. Curious motherfucking kids who never heard anything he said will now listen to everything he ever said. You can’t kill an Ideology by killing the people who espouse said ideology.
I just want to beat my head into a fucking wall. I’m so fucking burned out. Fuck anybody who is OK with bullets traveling through the flesh of any of their fellow men. Go into a field and fire the guns yourselves against other idiots who want to fire guns, the rest of us are sick of your fucking violence.
Hi guys! Just because he was an awful person doesn't mean he deserves to die. I am actually horrified by how many people are condoning this, especially when this man has a family and a wife and it's not even like trump when it would have actually done anything for our country. all this has done has made a gigantic fuss and give fox news rage bait.
RIP Charlie Kirk.
You were a good Christian man with moral principles with a wife and 2 kids. You were killed by a lunatic while you were exercising your freedom of speech, you were persecuted by your opponents. Some may say that's a form of fascism, the same party that accused you of being.
The violent rhetoric of the left influenced some weak minded soul to take you from your children, and also taken your quotes out of context.
Charlie Kirk never robbed a pregnant woman at gun point, or robbed a bank, or killed a woman on a train, but instead encouraged open conversation between all parties so they could understand each other in a meaningful way.
May you rest in peace, and may your naysayers see the evil in their ways and repent. They may mock you because they're unable to refute your debates, but they will reap what they sow.
RIP Charlie Kirk