And I declare that calling someone a cunt now means that you like and respect that person. Please go ahead and use it on your boss next time you see them.
CD players were first sold in 1982, when Boomers (if the baby boom started 1945) were hitting their 40s and established in every industry. I think they were actually the perfect demographic to be able to afford a CD player when it first came out.
As someone who worked sales in that time period, yes, it was the younger crowd (Gen X) that adapted much better to burning CDs. A lot of the baby boomers had difficulty with understanding certain key concepts and details. ... And instructions to be honest...
As for the "Boomer" commenter above: the military and government in the USA still burns to CD for a variety of reasons (no, I won't go into them). So if someone is military, a government employee, or even just a contractor, there is a chance that at some point they will need to burn a CD, regardless of age.
Really? Cause in my time in the army I never once saw any kind of military information being saved to cd. Not once. Never. Even in the early 2000s that was just never a thing. Ever.
The main thing you need to worry about in that case is the battery. It's useful to have a built in UPS, but definitely keep an eye on it, especially after keeping it plugged in for long periods of time.
I like using my own library of MP3s and knowing that for at least a small amount of time, I’m not being tracked in terms of what I’m listening. My clickwheel has a solid state terabyte so I just threw everything onto it.
If you long to use those nano-s, there are some cheap old Mac’s showing up on eBay or Craig’s list sometimes.
There where points in time where I had a lightscribe disk, and points in time where I had a lightscribe drive. But never both at the same time. I feel like this says something, but I dunno what.
I went out of my way to buy a LightScribe drive for my 2008 build [C2D E8400, 4GB DDR2 800, AMD HD 4870, Vista Ultimate + Linspire], and I never even used the feature. Burned less than a dozen discs total as well.
I feel like optical media died around that same time. Netflix introduced its streaming service, torrents entered the mainstream, Blu Ray flopped, and MP3 players replaced CD players (and then streaming replaced MP3 players shortly after). Didn't even bother with an optical drive in my 2014 build [i5-4670K, 16GB DDR3 1866, GTX 780, Win8.1 + Ubuntu]. Current build doesn't have one, either [7700X, 32GB DDR5 6000, 4090, Win11 + Arch]. Just been hanging onto the same drive since 2008, for the rare occasion that I actually need to burn a disc. At this point it's been over 5 years.
They don't last very long. About 5-10 years at most, and that's if you bought special archival burnable DVDs. If you depend on them for backups, you should check the integrity annually (always include a checksum like SHA256 with any backup archive).
I have CDs that I burned in the 90s that still work fine. I’m assuming the blu-rays I burn now will probably last as long, which is decades longer than I need them to.
Music CDs or data? Music CDs have built-in error correction, data CDs don't. You can certainly extend the lifetime if they're stored in the dark in a cool, dry place (UV light, heat, and humidity all damage the dye that gets burned to encode them) but they're not reliable archival storage without error correction.
Music. I have some data CDs I burned in the mid 2000s, that I booted up a few years ago (Linux live CDs). I don’t have any data CDs from the 90s though. IIRC, ISO 9660 does have error correction.
Edit: I just looked it up. ISO 9660 doesn’t have error correction, but the underlying system, CD-ROM Mode 1, does have error correction.
...you need so much specific equipment. You do realise that the day blue ray was announced we collectively gave up on physical data storage in the form of polished mineral disks right?
We definitely did not gave up on discs. They may no longer be mass consumer oriented. But bluray for backup, archiving and data transfer are still a thing. Nothing beats the bandwidth of a plane filled with hard drives. The media itself is not relevant, magnetic tape is still available and used to this day. The first time I held more than a terabyte in my hand was in a data tape cartridge. Consumer hard drives hadn't gotten there yet. Even today, new optical media is being researched. There are fascinating breakthroughs on laser engraved crystal storage.
Anyways, I just wanted to remember that wasteful mass consumption media is not representative of humanity as a whole.
Aren't SD cards higher data capacity than HDDs at this point? Sure maybe not per unit or cost but for the volume of space I am pretty sure HDDs lost a while ago.
High capacity SD have a miserably failure rate with regular use. In PI's and dashcams many only get a couple of years before they start having errors. USB thumb drives do better but they have heat problems. neither are great for backups unless you just do a lot of write once and store
Could just have more than 1 backup though, then it doesn't really matter much if the storage is less reliable as its very unlikely for multiple to fail at the same time
Today? Of course. But until recently that wasn't the case. Longevity though.
We got prediction of sector failure rates on HDDs and magnetic tapes down to a science. Makes archiving really easy as you know with statistical significance how often to test, copy and move data, to preserve it virtually forever (as long as there is someone maintaining the archive).
Solid state memory can be extraordinarily dense, but the denser it gets, the more it's prone to corruption and failure. Worse still, when solid state fails, the whole storage unit becomes obsolete, and data gets nightmarishly hard to extract, maybe even gone forever. Only with very rare and specialized workshops that have the equipment to do it. On the other hand, I've seen technicians recover data from tapes that were literally in a fire, right there on the field with bog standard equipment.
When you factor in that the average cost of a terabyte of magnetic storage is less than half of the average cost of a terabyte of solid state, then a few cubic centimeters of space per unit become practically irrelevant. Corporate settings actually prefer more smaller storage units than larger, as they cause less trouble when they fail. Redundancy is a numbers game.
NOOOOO! You must use cheap AliExpress SSDs, because something something 1980's tech something something technological advancements must be pushed at all cost!
Last time I saw this template it was "Someday your parent will carry you in their arm for the last time and neither of you will know it was the last time."
I loved DVD-RAM. I could just mount them in Linux and copy backups on it. They are even reusable, like you could just delete a super old backup and put a new one on it. I think I stopped using them, because of capacity.
"Foray in the Forest" is a community mod and it's bigger than 1.44MB. I could've split that up into multiple floppies, but I don't have a modern PC with a floppy drive, so the easiest way was to burn a CD.
I was just about to comment that the last time I did it, it was because I had some lightscribe disks that I wanted to try, but already had no use for anything on a CD.
I burned an audio CD just a few weeks ago. My car doesn't have Bluetooth audio, so I've kept going old school all along. I bought a few stacks of empty CD-R's and DVD-R's when the stores wanted to get rid of them.
I have zero streaming subscriptions and no intention of getting any. The number of films, games and music albums I've bought from flea markets and second hand stores during the past 10 years has to be in the hundreds. And not one has cost more than 3$.
Even my kids haven't complained about the lack of streaming, they seem perfectly happy using my physical media library.
Yep. My brother has at least 4 streaming subscriptions that add up to closer to 100$ per month. I once asked him how much he actually uses them and his response was: "I don't know, many times a week! But it's nice to have them if I want to watch something!"
To me the idea of basically throwing away more than 1000$ per year is simply horrifying.
For a while, burning CDs was my way of keeping backup of stuff. I might still have a bunch of them stored somewhere and if I still had any way to read them I would be picking them up right now to see which ones still worked and if there was anything interesting in there.
When I want to support an artist, I'll buy a vinyl or other merch. It's kinda difficult to justify spending the money on the CD or download when I all i want is an unrestricted flac file.
I mean, the ultimate long terms storage medium seems to be tape, but that stuff is very expensive, but outside that harddisks seem to have the best balance of accessibility and shelf life.
Physical media yes, CDs or DVDs no. Most discs I burned are probably unreadable by now. I remember my favorite artist explaining how he probably had to stop making music because it just wasn't financially viable. So I decided to buy all his albums (I had all the albums in mp3 format for years). Its about 10 years later, all the CDs are lost or destroyed (most in my car). I still have a NAS with the original mp3s I downloaded 20 years ago.
Yeah, I burned 100s of music cds as well about 20 years ago, and stored them in those books with slots. They weren't stored in a car, but still about a quart of them doesn't play anymore, and I am sure it won't be long before none of them will. All my store bought cds of the same age or older still works fine though.
Homeburning is not a good physical media alternative.
Homeburning can be surprisingly robust as a backup method, and as an option of physical media, but I'd still keep backups on an actual NAS as well. There's also a ton of variables that affect the lifetime of a burnt CD, like dyes used (cyanine - phthalocyanine - azo), lamination quality, storage and the burner used. Especially the quality and intensity of the build has a surprisingly strong effect, despite things being set in a standard – you can get a lot more storage life out of a CD burned using a quality 5.25" burner compared to a budget slim drive.
Also early discs based on cyanine had a notoriously short shelf life compared to the later archival quality discs, around 30 years or so in optimal conditions (and typically a lot less), so much of the stuff burnt in 90's and 00's has already began deteriorating. More recent quality discs can last over a century if stored properly, but the older ones can't.
DVDs can also often have issues with delamination, meaning that especially the outer rim of the disc can start exhibiting bit rot quite early if you're using low quality media. I've noticed even new discs having signs of early delamination between the two disc halves (DVDs have the data layer in between two acrylic discs, unlike CDs which have it on the backside directly under the reflective coating). I've also experienced a lot of issues when burning multilayer DVDs that might affect how long they last in storage, so for actual backups I'd prefer using a single layer disc instead.
But as per reasons for still using discs – they're an unparalleled cold storage solution. With proper care you can actually leave them be for decades and be sure the data is still readable, unlike with SSDs which will lose their data when unpowered for a long period of time. Tape is a good option, but not really viable for consumers – also tape needs more active upkeep, since you typically have to copy over the old data to new media every 20-30 years or so (promised life in archival is 30 years, after which it might not be possible to get new drives for reading the tapes). Optical is also king when you need to transfer data into air-gapped environments, since with optical media it's relatively easy to audit that what's burned to the disc is unalterable. There's a reason why I still keep a full install set of Debian handy.
minidiscs are a good sweet spot if youre looking for something physical. theyre not too big so you can fit a few discs in your pockets. the player itself can easily fit in your pants pocket as well. any minidisc player that has webMD netMD support will let you add or remove tracks using a web browser. theres the LP mode that lets you fit more music on a disc
I would legitimately switch back to one of my old MD players in an heartbeat if I had access to a decent software to load music on. Those little wired remotes with LCD screens were when technology peaked, IMO.
Any recommendations for an alternative to SonicStage (or whatever Sony’s proprietary crapola from back in the day was called)?
yea! those remotes were definitely handy back in the day when you would be out and about with it, but i mostly just use it at home these days so i dont have the remote attached.
webmd.pro is what i use. it runs in any chrome browser. its a bit on the slow side but i cant remember at this point whether it was always slow to burn to these disks.
but as long as the minidisc player has "netMD" on the front it should work with that. the only other thing you have to do if youre on windows is install this driver
theres also ElectronWMD which is basically just webmd.pro packaged into a desktop app. that may or may not have the driver included, i havnt tried it yet
I haven’t been able to find something quite like it available already - so I do wonder if there would be enough demand to kickstart a Bluetooth/wireless DAC/receiver remote to bring back that tactical functionality..
But anyway - thanks for the heads up! I’ll check it out in the morning and see if I can connect my N910 and NH1.
Come to think of it, I hope I can find the correct cables, and that they still work.. wish me luck!
this guy is using a transmitter with his minidisc, im sure any transmitter you could find would work
seems like kind of a chore having to charge 3 separate things though. if someone would just do a kickstarter for a new minidisc player that had bluetooth built in and usb-c to power it i would buy one in an instant!
the minidisc i have now uses mini usb to transfer data and then has a weird 3v charging port, and the cable for that doesnt work anymore so im just stuck with using AA batteries to power it now. its a bit of a mess. these days it would be just a single usb-c port that would handle all that
good luck with your minidisk journey anyway if you head down that road haha
See - that’s the problem with me writing comments at midnight right before bed, I don’t communicate as clearly as I think! 😅
What I was wishing for, was a product that looked like an MD remote (similar to the RM-MC35ELK ideally), which could wirelessly connect to a smartphone, allowing for tactile media control, and the use of higher impedance wired headphones/in-ear monitors.
Because currently having to use wireless earbuds means I have to randomly squeeze the earpiece stems an arbitrary amount of times to change tracks, and good flipping luck trying to change the volume or switch albums otherwise without having to remove your phone from my pocket.
ah ok! i have a fiio btr3 bluetooth receiver that is something along those lines. it doesnt show any track info but its got buttons at least and you can plug in whatever headphones you want. there could be others around that are more like the MD remotes but i havnt done much research
if youre on android theres also "key mapper" by sds100 that will let you change to the next/prev track by long pressing the volume keys so you dont need to take it out of your pocket!
CDs are too small, so yeah. DVDs on the other hand? Optical disks are the only practical media that is EMP-proof. After the apocalypse, I'll still have all my coding projects, thank you very much.
Remember me Nero Express, good memories, awesome name for a CD burner.
My brother recently found 15 year old CDs with family photos and they still work.
It's funny how video game media often degrades quickly due to use, but well-packaged and lightly used discs can last for many years. Maybe still a great solution for data that doesn't need to be accessed constantly.
It's why I've gone through all of my old media and transferred them to my media PC. But I have to admit it's more satisfying when it's in the form of physical media, when it's all computer files I hardly ever look at them.
Little known fact, German doctors love to make cd's for every procedure. The most famous of these as shown by German medical data is Heinrich's Proctology Polka Mega Mix.
CDs are geat, still burn them all the time. I have a Jellyfin server that hosts my digital music collection, but sometimes I may be going on a long drive without internet and CDs are unmatched for that. No battery, no internet requirement, and hold hundreds of hours of music in a a small book in my backseat.
I have an old android phone running lineage and I host a hotspot if I want it to have data, it's amazing how well Android Auto works without Internet access compared to having data though.
On work we accumulate a wealth of pesonal notes, forms, links, articles etc. We are strictly forbidden to use USB-Sticks, but the DVD-Burner are still working...
My last DVD was a Knoppix though, just for the fun of it.
We used to do that in industrial automation. If you make any changes to the PLC / HMI / SCADA software, burn a DVD with what you changed and leave it next to the rack. No danger of bringing in viruses on a USB stick (the whole system was air-gapped) and you'd still have a backup available.
In some secure facilities it's basically the only way to transfer data. USB drives aren't allowed and there's no direct peer to peer networking either.
The act of ‘burning’ an optic disc was to write data onto a CD/DVD/Blu-Ray. It was called that because a laser would literally burn the information into the disc.
I remember buying a laptop with a blue-ray drive. That was at least 10 years ago, and I never used it, other than holding Call of Duty (the OG) for half a year, then I put it back in its box, and that was the last time I held a CD as well (maybe a DVD? Potato / Tomato).
Good riddance, as SSDs were up and coming, which sped up USB drives as well. (yes, yes... They still have a use, just not for me, at all).
A relative lately wanted me to burn an Audio CD on their Windows 10 PC. I had little to no idea how to do it, since last time I did that was on Windows XP.
It's easy, you just have to sign up for Microsoft's CD burning app for $6.99/month. Make sure to have your credit card, social security number, and birth certificate handy when you setup your account. You just have to watch a short advertisement before burning each CD.
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I laugh when people think cds are old. They're still the best form of digital physical media. Now I prefer analog media of course, but convenience and portability of digital is nice.
Compact Disc Digital Audio is difficult to improve upon in terms of quality. For day to day listening I'll either use mp3 or FLAC but especially as the streaming services enshittify I'll take my media on CD, thanks.
Both of my cars have CD players, I probably ought to burn some discs to listen to. I often drive in silence these days.
June 13th, 2022. 7:13pm. If that's the last one I burn, I will at least know when. It was Windows XP Media Center 2005, for my fleamarket Dell Demension E510. Well, more accurately, an E310 with a E510 motherboard.
I'm about to drop a supermicro Xeon board plus an E3-1275 and 32G of ECC ram into the guts of this old Optiplex 790 mini tower I have. (i3 2100, so a generation newer, and a Xeon instead of an i3)
I plan to eventually get a better case but for now this is fine. Right now it's running Plex media server on FreeBSD on bare metal, but I'm planning to swap to proxmox once I get the new board installed.
Unfortunately that won't be for another week. While the board will be here today, it is a little more power hungry than the old system, and I'm already pushing the OEM 375W PSU with 5 drives (SATA SSD and 4 7200rpm SAS drives) so I also have a PSU coming. But that is not expected until middle of next week.
Oh, that sounds like a fun project! Going to post it to Lemmy when you're done? I'm not familiar with proxmox. I see it's based on Debian, is it basically an os specifically for running vm instances or something?
I like the look of that generation Optiplex. My current main PC is a slightly upgraded XPS 8930, which is IMO one of the ugliest Dell cases. And the airflow has been a terrible challenge. But since it's not a standard board, I can't just pop it in a better case. And there's no way im buying a new mobo for an LGA 1151. So, I'm stuck until I build something new.
I wasn't specifically planning to. And yeah, proxmox is a VM management system. I've never used it myself, but it's apparently the "new hotness" and I've been meaning to do a VM/container build for a while.
I'm more familiar with FreeBSD jails, but not everything lends itself to that well. Bhyve was also something I looked at, but proxmox seems to leverage qemu and ZFS together.
Plus, since I've never actually used it, it gets me out of my comfort zone and I'll maybe learn something neat.
I burned an Active Shooter video for work last week. I got a lot of spare discs. Might be a good way to store copies of everything the fascists are deleting.
I was just thinking "I need to burn some music CDs for when I travel", just in case.
I went on a car trip earlier this year, but forgot my bluetooth to aux adapter. I tried to buy one while I was on the road, but places were sold out, didn't carry them, or they only sold them via online orders.
As luck would have it, I still had some old CDs I'd burned 20ish years ago sitting in my glove compartment! I honestly did not expect them to work because they'd likely spent at least the last decade+ in that glove compartment, enduring extremes of heat and cold. They were scratched to hell and back and I had always heard that they degrade and become unreadable after a certain amount of time, even under ideal storage conditions.
Luckily for me, though, they mostly worked. I think there were a couple of songs on one disc that skipped a bunch, and everything else played fine. I rediscovered a few great songs from my youth that I'd not heard in so long that I'd practically forgotten about them.
I still have an external burner and a stack of CDs, and multiple players including my old ass car. I also listen to tapes, vinyl, and regularly use my NES and VCR. Reject modernity, embrace tradition lmao.
I burned two DVDs yesterday. First time in almost a decade, but it made me wonder why I don’t do it more often. I still have 98 blank DVDs on a spool purchased years ago.
Be aware certain batches of blanks are more prone to bit rot (or more accurately degradation of the metal layer) than others - could be worth googling your blanks before using them for anything important
I knew. I had been meaning to buy an aftermarket car stereo with USB and MP3 support for a long time. I was on my last blank CD, and had to decide then whether I would buy more CDs, or whether I would buy a new stereo that didn't need CDs.
I had to do it last year so my school would let me listen to music during tests. Had to be on a burned cd so they could review it for cheating. I'm just lucky I still put a disc-drive in my pc builds.
You know, I wish I could remember what it was, there's something a little sad about it being the last one and me not even remembering what was on it. I think I would have burned what will likely be my last ever DVD quite a lot more recently, probably about 2018 or 2019, but CD, that's a way's back.
Last week isn't really that long ago. Going through my mom's old things and found a PC she bought new back in 2013. A Dell Optiplex 790 with a dvdrw in it.
I just happened to have a couple of blanks so I verified that it worked before pulling it out and using it as an external drive. Works that way as well on my much newer Ryzen 5800x build in a case with no 5.25" bays. (Or externally accessed 3.5s for that matter. No external bays of any sort other than some USB ports on the front.)
My 2006 Honda also has a 6 disc changer and it sounds better than the Bluetooth adapter I connected to it. (It is wired to the back of the factory sound system, but Bluetooth audio just sounds flat to me, even on the best speakers)
i burned a cd 2 weeks ago.
Ok, boomer
unneccessarily rude!
They might be just genX.
millennial. turned 40 this year.
Ok dad
Ok zygote
holy cow, how are you still not in bed, kid! Off you go!
Okay Xoomer
That’s just zoomer again
It’s pronounced Ex-oomer
Exhume her? I barely knew her!
I'm a millennial and I burned a CD last month
everyone forgets about gen x
...who?
No we fuckin don't, you lot wont let us forget you.
I don’t think burning CDs was much of a boomer activity.
The phrase just means, "alright old person" now.
And I declare that calling someone a cunt now means that you like and respect that person. Please go ahead and use it on your boss next time you see them.
CD players were first sold in 1982, when Boomers (if the baby boom started 1945) were hitting their 40s and established in every industry. I think they were actually the perfect demographic to be able to afford a CD player when it first came out.
First affordable CD burner was from 1995. 50 year olds tend to not adopt new technology, it's a millennial thing.
https://www.computerhistory.org/storageengine/consumer-cd-r-drive-priced-below-1000/
As someone who worked sales in that time period, yes, it was the younger crowd (Gen X) that adapted much better to burning CDs. A lot of the baby boomers had difficulty with understanding certain key concepts and details. ... And instructions to be honest...
As for the "Boomer" commenter above: the military and government in the USA still burns to CD for a variety of reasons (no, I won't go into them). So if someone is military, a government employee, or even just a contractor, there is a chance that at some point they will need to burn a CD, regardless of age.
In Germany MRI and CT images are regularly handed to patients on CDs.
Germany is also technologically 30 years behind the rest of the world...
Same in the US.
Really? Cause in my time in the army I never once saw any kind of military information being saved to cd. Not once. Never. Even in the early 2000s that was just never a thing. Ever.
Sounds like you might not have been part of a team that needed to do so. In the environments I had been part of, they had requirements for it.
Navy.
Shut up. They're supposed to forget about us.
It's a gen-x thing, you know, the forgotten generation.
Lived through the "DOUBLE SPEED!!!" reader up to the 52 some read-write-rewrite.
I had several generations, and it was always a huge speed increase. 52x was like lightning
52x baby. Much speed. Such fast.
Yet again, GenX is overlooked.
I'm in my 40s now and I definitely did not burn near as many CDs as my dad did (he was born in '49)
Yeah but burning CDs yourself wasn't a thing until much later.
No boomers are the ones reading the CDs not writing them. Their kids are writting them.
... and you didn't know it was the last time
Every time is the last one, at least for a while
naw, we have a cd juke box at my work. pretty sure ill be burning them for the foreseeable future.
Still in denial, I see /hj
/hj? Did you just give him a handjob?
the floaties got in the way
No, it means "half joking" /s
he did tho
Wait, so they’re only half joking about the handjob?
Did I get here too late?
Cd.....or DVD?
cd, thats why i said cd.
I still burn CDs. This whole streaming thing won't last. Also, my back hurts...
The real meta is to have a hard drive full of flac files and use tailscale to stream them wherever you are from your computer at home
That's the dream. Currently debating what to do with a spare laptop and "make it a server" sounds ideal.
I suggest Navidrome
The main thing you need to worry about in that case is the battery. It's useful to have a built in UPS, but definitely keep an eye on it, especially after keeping it plugged in for long periods of time.
I need to learn how to do this.
Start with Plex and learn from there.
Jellyfin
That’s step two.
I plan to do so myself. Basically find a Linux package that streams audio on your LAN and get tailscale
Plexamp is also good for this
Yeah well... Can you set the time on a VCR?
Burning one today just because of this post.
lightscribe for old time's sake?
— still use one of these from 2011.
Me too! I recently put Linux on it and it runs like a brand new computer.
I run Linux on my daily driver, but I’m addicted to the click wheel iPod and I use this machine because of iTunes.
I wish I still had my click wheel iPod…
You can pick up refurbs with 1T solid state drives.
I like using my own library of MP3s and knowing that for at least a small amount of time, I’m not being tracked in terms of what I’m listening. My clickwheel has a solid state terabyte so I just threw everything onto it.
If you long to use those nano-s, there are some cheap old Mac’s showing up on eBay or Craig’s list sometimes.
There where points in time where I had a lightscribe disk, and points in time where I had a lightscribe drive. But never both at the same time. I feel like this says something, but I dunno what.
I went out of my way to buy a LightScribe drive for my 2008 build [C2D E8400, 4GB DDR2 800, AMD HD 4870, Vista Ultimate + Linspire], and I never even used the feature. Burned less than a dozen discs total as well.
I feel like optical media died around that same time. Netflix introduced its streaming service, torrents entered the mainstream, Blu Ray flopped, and MP3 players replaced CD players (and then streaming replaced MP3 players shortly after). Didn't even bother with an optical drive in my 2014 build [i5-4670K, 16GB DDR3 1866, GTX 780, Win8.1 + Ubuntu]. Current build doesn't have one, either [7700X, 32GB DDR5 6000, 4090, Win11 + Arch]. Just been hanging onto the same drive since 2008, for the rare occasion that I actually need to burn a disc. At this point it's been over 5 years.
I burn Blu-rays once in a while. They work for backup.
They don't last very long. About 5-10 years at most, and that's if you bought special archival burnable DVDs. If you depend on them for backups, you should check the integrity annually (always include a checksum like SHA256 with any backup archive).
I have CDs that I burned in the 90s that still work fine. I’m assuming the blu-rays I burn now will probably last as long, which is decades longer than I need them to.
I heard that the higher the data density on DVD and BR means the higher the failure rate. Though i have no real evidence of that myself.
Maybe one or two bits corrupted here or there will only cause some unnoticeable artefacts anyway.
Music CDs or data? Music CDs have built-in error correction, data CDs don't. You can certainly extend the lifetime if they're stored in the dark in a cool, dry place (UV light, heat, and humidity all damage the dye that gets burned to encode them) but they're not reliable archival storage without error correction.
Music. I have some data CDs I burned in the mid 2000s, that I booted up a few years ago (Linux live CDs). I don’t have any data CDs from the 90s though. IIRC, ISO 9660 does have error correction.
Edit: I just looked it up. ISO 9660 doesn’t have error correction, but the underlying system, CD-ROM Mode 1, does have error correction.
Data CDs actually use even more robust error correction since they use interleaving in addition to FEC since they don't need to scan in "real time"
...you need so much specific equipment. You do realise that the day blue ray was announced we collectively gave up on physical data storage in the form of polished mineral disks right?
So much equipment.
First you have to buy the DVD writer and then you also have to get yourself blank DVDs.
We definitely did not gave up on discs. They may no longer be mass consumer oriented. But bluray for backup, archiving and data transfer are still a thing. Nothing beats the bandwidth of a plane filled with hard drives. The media itself is not relevant, magnetic tape is still available and used to this day. The first time I held more than a terabyte in my hand was in a data tape cartridge. Consumer hard drives hadn't gotten there yet. Even today, new optical media is being researched. There are fascinating breakthroughs on laser engraved crystal storage.
Anyways, I just wanted to remember that wasteful mass consumption media is not representative of humanity as a whole.
Aren't SD cards higher data capacity than HDDs at this point? Sure maybe not per unit or cost but for the volume of space I am pretty sure HDDs lost a while ago.
High capacity SD have a miserably failure rate with regular use. In PI's and dashcams many only get a couple of years before they start having errors. USB thumb drives do better but they have heat problems. neither are great for backups unless you just do a lot of write once and store
Could just have more than 1 backup though, then it doesn't really matter much if the storage is less reliable as its very unlikely for multiple to fail at the same time
Today? Of course. But until recently that wasn't the case. Longevity though.
We got prediction of sector failure rates on HDDs and magnetic tapes down to a science. Makes archiving really easy as you know with statistical significance how often to test, copy and move data, to preserve it virtually forever (as long as there is someone maintaining the archive).
Solid state memory can be extraordinarily dense, but the denser it gets, the more it's prone to corruption and failure. Worse still, when solid state fails, the whole storage unit becomes obsolete, and data gets nightmarishly hard to extract, maybe even gone forever. Only with very rare and specialized workshops that have the equipment to do it. On the other hand, I've seen technicians recover data from tapes that were literally in a fire, right there on the field with bog standard equipment.
When you factor in that the average cost of a terabyte of magnetic storage is less than half of the average cost of a terabyte of solid state, then a few cubic centimeters of space per unit become practically irrelevant. Corporate settings actually prefer more smaller storage units than larger, as they cause less trouble when they fail. Redundancy is a numbers game.
I just use a USB Blu-ray burner. Similar to this one:
https://a.co/d/0KIB1LJ
Polished mineral? Like a silicon wafer? um??
NOOOOO! You must use cheap AliExpress SSDs, because something something 1980's tech something something technological advancements must be pushed at all cost!
Tape or bust (if you can afford it)
Was looking for a cheap tape drive, couldn't find any.
eBay and the 1980s may be helpful
DIY Tape Drive:
I've never had a Blu-ray player and at this point I expect I never will.
I still have a big stack of blank CDs and DVDs. I burned a DVD late last year. I don't think I've hit my last time yet. But maybe.
No way crazyyyy this generalization didn't apply to SOMEONE on the internet. no wayyyyyy
You know 4chan is back online, right?
LMAO that just sent me
Yeah you should head back.
Last time I saw this template it was "Someday your parent will carry you in their arm for the last time and neither of you will know it was the last time."
😭
My grandfather made it a point to lift everyone until he couldn't get then off the ground anymore.
I loved DVD-RAM. I could just mount them in Linux and copy backups on it. They are even reusable, like you could just delete a super old backup and put a new one on it. I think I stopped using them, because of capacity.
That sounds like slow-ass RAM.
I still burn them sometimes for the car.
The car you downloaded? Because YOU would totally download a car?
I downloaded a dealership, and i don't know where to put it.
I think that was the last CD I burned too, before I just started auxing in my phone with Spotify.
Based on my phone and car-stereo timelines, I guess that means my last burn was probably in 2009 at the latest.
I just burned one today, it was the easiest way to transfer a game to a Windows 95 notebook. 🫠
Friggin Keener
Why didn't you just zip drive it?
I loved my zip drive so much.
Don't have a ZIP drive, only a 1.44meg floppy drive.
isn't commander keen a floppy disk game already?
"Foray in the Forest" is a community mod and it's bigger than 1.44MB. I could've split that up into multiple floppies, but I don't have a modern PC with a floppy drive, so the easiest way was to burn a CD.
oh i didn't realize it was a mod
Wait is that in the background supposed to be the tardis?
I miss lightscribe
I used to use the work lightscribe to burn my band's cds.
I was just about to comment that the last time I did it, it was because I had some lightscribe disks that I wanted to try, but already had no use for anything on a CD.
Wasn't that the label making thing? I think I had a laptop once that had that as a feature but it was literally never used
I still have a lightscribe drive in my main PC. No lightscribe discs though.
I burned an audio CD just a few weeks ago. My car doesn't have Bluetooth audio, so I've kept going old school all along. I bought a few stacks of empty CD-R's and DVD-R's when the stores wanted to get rid of them.
I have zero streaming subscriptions and no intention of getting any. The number of films, games and music albums I've bought from flea markets and second hand stores during the past 10 years has to be in the hundreds. And not one has cost more than 3$.
Even my kids haven't complained about the lack of streaming, they seem perfectly happy using my physical media library.
Yep, don't give in to ease of streaming, that's how they win, and take it all from you. Everyone needs to own what they pay for.
Yep. My brother has at least 4 streaming subscriptions that add up to closer to 100$ per month. I once asked him how much he actually uses them and his response was: "I don't know, many times a week! But it's nice to have them if I want to watch something!"
To me the idea of basically throwing away more than 1000$ per year is simply horrifying.
And not even owning it..and they'll keep upping the price little by little, slowly sucking us dry
Whoa, you sound exactly like an improved version of me!
Where do you get .wav files these days??
I get them by ripping CD:s or digitizing vinyl albums.
EDIT: Typo.
I didn't know it was the last time, and I don't know when exactly it was, but I do know what it was that I burnt:
A Linux install CD
Haha same. Honestly I think that was the only reason I ever burned CDs.
For a while, burning CDs was my way of keeping backup of stuff. I might still have a bunch of them stored somewhere and if I still had any way to read them I would be picking them up right now to see which ones still worked and if there was anything interesting in there.
You should checkout the public library.
All of my local libraries have cds and dvds to borrow.
I’m curious. Why not just torrent?
When I want to support an artist, I'll buy a vinyl or other merch. It's kinda difficult to justify spending the money on the CD or download when I all i want is an unrestricted flac file.
Jokes on you, I still burn my acquired digital media to BluRay discs
Disk rot is like 25 years while an SSD still doesn't have that kind of shelf life
Who are these mad men who are dumping stuff to SSDs and then sitting them on a shelf? Can't get my mind around it.
You'd be surprised. And then they tell me disk rot makes BD not recommended.... meanwhile this happens after several decades and is exceedingly rare
Right post there chief
Doesn't it make more sense use harddisks?
I mean, the ultimate long terms storage medium seems to be tape, but that stuff is very expensive, but outside that harddisks seem to have the best balance of accessibility and shelf life.
Unless I die tomorrow, you're wrong.
I do the opposite now. I buy discs cheap from bin stores, rip them onto my desktop and then upload to my home library for more affordable 'streaming'.
If we include DVDs I probably put a Linux distro iso on one in 2010 or 2011. CDs? Maybe a CD I made for a road trip on 2009 or 2010.
We should go back to doing it, physical media is where it's at.
Physical media yes, CDs or DVDs no. Most discs I burned are probably unreadable by now. I remember my favorite artist explaining how he probably had to stop making music because it just wasn't financially viable. So I decided to buy all his albums (I had all the albums in mp3 format for years). Its about 10 years later, all the CDs are lost or destroyed (most in my car). I still have a NAS with the original mp3s I downloaded 20 years ago.
Yeah, I burned 100s of music cds as well about 20 years ago, and stored them in those books with slots. They weren't stored in a car, but still about a quart of them doesn't play anymore, and I am sure it won't be long before none of them will. All my store bought cds of the same age or older still works fine though.
Homeburning is not a good physical media alternative.
Homeburning can be surprisingly robust as a backup method, and as an option of physical media, but I'd still keep backups on an actual NAS as well. There's also a ton of variables that affect the lifetime of a burnt CD, like dyes used (cyanine - phthalocyanine - azo), lamination quality, storage and the burner used. Especially the quality and intensity of the build has a surprisingly strong effect, despite things being set in a standard – you can get a lot more storage life out of a CD burned using a quality 5.25" burner compared to a budget slim drive.
Also early discs based on cyanine had a notoriously short shelf life compared to the later archival quality discs, around 30 years or so in optimal conditions (and typically a lot less), so much of the stuff burnt in 90's and 00's has already began deteriorating. More recent quality discs can last over a century if stored properly, but the older ones can't.
DVDs can also often have issues with delamination, meaning that especially the outer rim of the disc can start exhibiting bit rot quite early if you're using low quality media. I've noticed even new discs having signs of early delamination between the two disc halves (DVDs have the data layer in between two acrylic discs, unlike CDs which have it on the backside directly under the reflective coating). I've also experienced a lot of issues when burning multilayer DVDs that might affect how long they last in storage, so for actual backups I'd prefer using a single layer disc instead.
But as per reasons for still using discs – they're an unparalleled cold storage solution. With proper care you can actually leave them be for decades and be sure the data is still readable, unlike with SSDs which will lose their data when unpowered for a long period of time. Tape is a good option, but not really viable for consumers – also tape needs more active upkeep, since you typically have to copy over the old data to new media every 20-30 years or so (promised life in archival is 30 years, after which it might not be possible to get new drives for reading the tapes). Optical is also king when you need to transfer data into air-gapped environments, since with optical media it's relatively easy to audit that what's burned to the disc is unalterable. There's a reason why I still keep a full install set of Debian handy.
minidiscs are a good sweet spot if youre looking for something physical. theyre not too big so you can fit a few discs in your pockets. the player itself can easily fit in your pants pocket as well. any minidisc player that has
webMDnetMD support will let you add or remove tracks using a web browser. theres the LP mode that lets you fit more music on a discI would legitimately switch back to one of my old MD players in an heartbeat if I had access to a decent software to load music on. Those little wired remotes with LCD screens were when technology peaked, IMO.
Any recommendations for an alternative to SonicStage (or whatever Sony’s proprietary crapola from back in the day was called)?
yea! those remotes were definitely handy back in the day when you would be out and about with it, but i mostly just use it at home these days so i dont have the remote attached.
webmd.pro is what i use. it runs in any chrome browser. its a bit on the slow side but i cant remember at this point whether it was always slow to burn to these disks.
but as long as the minidisc player has "netMD" on the front it should work with that. the only other thing you have to do if youre on windows is install this driver
theres also ElectronWMD which is basically just webmd.pro packaged into a desktop app. that may or may not have the driver included, i havnt tried it yet
I haven’t been able to find something quite like it available already - so I do wonder if there would be enough demand to kickstart a Bluetooth/wireless DAC/receiver remote to bring back that tactical functionality..
But anyway - thanks for the heads up! I’ll check it out in the morning and see if I can connect my N910 and NH1.
Come to think of it, I hope I can find the correct cables, and that they still work.. wish me luck!
this guy is using a transmitter with his minidisc, im sure any transmitter you could find would work
seems like kind of a chore having to charge 3 separate things though. if someone would just do a kickstarter for a new minidisc player that had bluetooth built in and usb-c to power it i would buy one in an instant!
the minidisc i have now uses mini usb to transfer data and then has a weird 3v charging port, and the cable for that doesnt work anymore so im just stuck with using AA batteries to power it now. its a bit of a mess. these days it would be just a single usb-c port that would handle all that
good luck with your minidisk journey anyway if you head down that road haha
See - that’s the problem with me writing comments at midnight right before bed, I don’t communicate as clearly as I think! 😅
What I was wishing for, was a product that looked like an MD remote (similar to the RM-MC35ELK ideally), which could wirelessly connect to a smartphone, allowing for tactile media control, and the use of higher impedance wired headphones/in-ear monitors.
Because currently having to use wireless earbuds means I have to randomly squeeze the earpiece stems an arbitrary amount of times to change tracks, and good flipping luck trying to change the volume or switch albums otherwise without having to remove your phone from my pocket.
ah ok! i have a fiio btr3 bluetooth receiver that is something along those lines. it doesnt show any track info but its got buttons at least and you can plug in whatever headphones you want. there could be others around that are more like the MD remotes but i havnt done much research
if youre on android theres also "key mapper" by sds100 that will let you change to the next/prev track by long pressing the volume keys so you dont need to take it out of your pocket!
I thought that I burned my last cd a long time ago until my uni required me to hand in my thesis on a cd.
Buying a 4-pack of CDs (with cases) was more expensive than buying a 128gb sd card.
Joke's on you. I have multiple spindles of blank optical media I use regularly. I am not putting a ODE on my Saturn unless I absolutely have to.
I microwaved a few from 2008 last month. They smell of cancer if you do that though.
CDs are too small, so yeah. DVDs on the other hand? Optical disks are the only practical media that is EMP-proof. After the apocalypse, I'll still have all my coding projects, thank you very much.
They do degrade naturally, so I hope you are redoing this every decade or so
CDs and DVDs are the same size? (/s)
Youll have all your coding projects, but nothing to read them with.
I still use them (in M-DISC blu-ray form) for encrypted backups.
Damn, them discs are expensive.
Yeah, but worth it for important backups since they take a long time to degrade!
I'd love a tape drive but i'm poor
I'm going to go burn one for the last time just to subvert this meme.
Remember me Nero Express, good memories, awesome name for a CD burner.
My brother recently found 15 year old CDs with family photos and they still work.
It's funny how video game media often degrades quickly due to use, but well-packaged and lightly used discs can last for many years. Maybe still a great solution for data that doesn't need to be accessed constantly.
Except disc rot is a thing.
It's why I've gone through all of my old media and transferred them to my media PC. But I have to admit it's more satisfying when it's in the form of physical media, when it's all computer files I hardly ever look at them.
That's me. ADD and 678 folders of digital media is not fun. I need physical. Plus, it's actually real then.
Work with medical data in Germany and you'll burn CDs every day, probably for the next 50 years.
Yeah, I have a CD with some x rays lying around here somewhere.
Although the MRT images I got done recently were accessed via QR code (+password) on an online portal, so yay progress.
Little known fact, German doctors love to make cd's for every procedure. The most famous of these as shown by German medical data is Heinrich's Proctology Polka Mega Mix.
CDs are geat, still burn them all the time. I have a Jellyfin server that hosts my digital music collection, but sometimes I may be going on a long drive without internet and CDs are unmatched for that. No battery, no internet requirement, and hold hundreds of hours of music in a a small book in my backseat.
We're the same, you and I!
I have an old android phone running lineage and I host a hotspot if I want it to have data, it's amazing how well Android Auto works without Internet access compared to having data though.
I still see blank CDs and DVDs for sale sometimes. Makes me wonder who is out there using them.
People who still own a PS1/PS2 having a blast on their jailbroken consoles
On work we accumulate a wealth of pesonal notes, forms, links, articles etc. We are strictly forbidden to use USB-Sticks, but the DVD-Burner are still working...
My last DVD was a Knoppix though, just for the fun of it.
We used to do that in industrial automation. If you make any changes to the PLC / HMI / SCADA software, burn a DVD with what you changed and leave it next to the rack. No danger of bringing in viruses on a USB stick (the whole system was air-gapped) and you'd still have a backup available.
ooh knoppix!, my first intro to linux
In some secure facilities it's basically the only way to transfer data. USB drives aren't allowed and there's no direct peer to peer networking either.
I buy them, and floppy disks too.
I did know. It was 2 years ago when me and my neighbour pranked our neighborhood grandma by burning shitty music and leaving the CD in the mail.
I have a CD player in my 2004 car and I burn CDs regularly.
I have a 2005 car, but I don't burn CDs. I plug my phone into a cassette adapter.
Burning cds of my punk band to sell
Encountering the first bunch of “I don’t own a cd player” people.
Cracking the music biz during the collapse of it was a bad idea.
All a part of corpos plan to make it so you can never own anything ever again. Subscriptions only. Drink a verification can to skip song.
I remember the day I burned my last CD. The fire department paid me a visit.
Haha thanks dad
What's burning a cd?
The act of ‘burning’ an optic disc was to write data onto a CD/DVD/Blu-Ray. It was called that because a laser would literally burn the information into the disc.
Thanks grandpa🙏
Fuck the irony of a child calling themselves the grammar police.
The internet is a lie and I take no one seriously.
Bro, I'm an adult male
Mdisks are a viable offline long term backup solution, and cheaper to get started with than tape drives.
I felt scammed for a split second recently because I bought a new laptop and it had no optical drives...
the scam you bought was windows
I remember buying a laptop with a blue-ray drive. That was at least 10 years ago, and I never used it, other than holding Call of Duty (the OG) for half a year, then I put it back in its box, and that was the last time I held a CD as well (maybe a DVD? Potato / Tomato).
Good riddance, as SSDs were up and coming, which sped up USB drives as well. (yes, yes... They still have a use, just not for me, at all).
I literally have to do this for work so unless I lose this job it's gonna be another decade
I doubt it. Although, I imagine I may have recorded over my last tape.
I burned a few last week
Cheap difraction gratings though, indispensable
I'm not dead yet and have a Blu-ray burner and some blanks.
A relative lately wanted me to burn an Audio CD on their Windows 10 PC. I had little to no idea how to do it, since last time I did that was on Windows XP.
It's easy, you just have to sign up for Microsoft's CD burning app for $6.99/month. Make sure to have your credit card, social security number, and birth certificate handy when you setup your account. You just have to watch a short advertisement before burning each CD.
Just don't use the free version...
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Oh my God that's evil. Better hope the Microsoft execs don't see this.
Download ImgBurn or CD Burner XP
Nero or bust
Nero cost money tho
I’m gonna burn a bunch of music to cd this week just because I can. Might even archive some movies.
High school kid: Burned a what?
I laugh when people think cds are old. They're still the best form of digital physical media. Now I prefer analog media of course, but convenience and portability of digital is nice.
It depends, I believe actual tape keeps data usable way longer than CDs.
I mean, most likely any pirated ZX Spectrum software on old audio cassettes will work.
That's so cool. I do a lot with audio tape (mostly 1/4" 7.5ips and 15ips), but never data tape.
Compact Disc Digital Audio is difficult to improve upon in terms of quality. For day to day listening I'll either use mp3 or FLAC but especially as the streaming services enshittify I'll take my media on CD, thanks.
Both of my cars have CD players, I probably ought to burn some discs to listen to. I often drive in silence these days.
Never burned a CD in my life. And now I never will, just to spite you
Zoomer
i sure was fucking hoping it was though
I have a whole cake of 100 blank DVDs unopened from 10 years ago. Been looking for a reason for them. Maybe make a post apocalyptic art piece.
You could cut them into throwing stars. Or maybe take them to the nearest disc golf course.
There are plenty of people who never did that at all.
✋
June 13th, 2022. 7:13pm. If that's the last one I burn, I will at least know when. It was Windows XP Media Center 2005, for my fleamarket Dell Demension E510. Well, more accurately, an E310 with a E510 motherboard.
I'm about to drop a supermicro Xeon board plus an E3-1275 and 32G of ECC ram into the guts of this old Optiplex 790 mini tower I have. (i3 2100, so a generation newer, and a Xeon instead of an i3)
I plan to eventually get a better case but for now this is fine. Right now it's running Plex media server on FreeBSD on bare metal, but I'm planning to swap to proxmox once I get the new board installed.
Unfortunately that won't be for another week. While the board will be here today, it is a little more power hungry than the old system, and I'm already pushing the OEM 375W PSU with 5 drives (SATA SSD and 4 7200rpm SAS drives) so I also have a PSU coming. But that is not expected until middle of next week.
Oh, that sounds like a fun project! Going to post it to Lemmy when you're done? I'm not familiar with proxmox. I see it's based on Debian, is it basically an os specifically for running vm instances or something?
I like the look of that generation Optiplex. My current main PC is a slightly upgraded XPS 8930, which is IMO one of the ugliest Dell cases. And the airflow has been a terrible challenge. But since it's not a standard board, I can't just pop it in a better case. And there's no way im buying a new mobo for an LGA 1151. So, I'm stuck until I build something new.
I wasn't specifically planning to. And yeah, proxmox is a VM management system. I've never used it myself, but it's apparently the "new hotness" and I've been meaning to do a VM/container build for a while.
I'm more familiar with FreeBSD jails, but not everything lends itself to that well. Bhyve was also something I looked at, but proxmox seems to leverage qemu and ZFS together.
Plus, since I've never actually used it, it gets me out of my comfort zone and I'll maybe learn something neat.
My gen Z kids burn CDs - it's a "retro" thing for them. Literally burnt one last week.
That's sad but true, man. Miss you "Car Rock VI".
I burned an Active Shooter video for work last week. I got a lot of spare discs. Might be a good way to store copies of everything the fascists are deleting.
Occasionally break out the burner, it’s just very rare. Plus these days it’s a portable little usb drive.
I recently got a USB CD drive/burner. But I don't have blank CDs lol
Burnt one recently for a profile backup on a terminated user.
I was just thinking "I need to burn some music CDs for when I travel", just in case.
I went on a car trip earlier this year, but forgot my bluetooth to aux adapter. I tried to buy one while I was on the road, but places were sold out, didn't carry them, or they only sold them via online orders.
As luck would have it, I still had some old CDs I'd burned 20ish years ago sitting in my glove compartment! I honestly did not expect them to work because they'd likely spent at least the last decade+ in that glove compartment, enduring extremes of heat and cold. They were scratched to hell and back and I had always heard that they degrade and become unreadable after a certain amount of time, even under ideal storage conditions.
Luckily for me, though, they mostly worked. I think there were a couple of songs on one disc that skipped a bunch, and everything else played fine. I rediscovered a few great songs from my youth that I'd not heard in so long that I'd practically forgotten about them.
I still have an external burner and a stack of CDs, and multiple players including my old ass car. I also listen to tapes, vinyl, and regularly use my NES and VCR. Reject modernity, embrace tradition lmao.
but did you know you can use the 2nd controller to control the ducks?
Not until the recent post!
I’ve still got some CDs and a burner. I’m gonna go burn one just to spite this.
I burned two DVDs yesterday. First time in almost a decade, but it made me wonder why I don’t do it more often. I still have 98 blank DVDs on a spool purchased years ago.
Be aware certain batches of blanks are more prone to bit rot (or more accurately degradation of the metal layer) than others - could be worth googling your blanks before using them for anything important
I knew. I had been meaning to buy an aftermarket car stereo with USB and MP3 support for a long time. I was on my last blank CD, and had to decide then whether I would buy more CDs, or whether I would buy a new stereo that didn't need CDs.
I still burn DVDs. Ever since USB storage was deemed "not secure", they are the easiest way to get data into and out of sensitive networks.
I learned not too long ago that SSDs lose data if they don't get keep getting power... Not sure how true that is, but if true, pretty awful.
Nothing is permanent, everything is transient. Enthropy comes for us all.
It's true.
So does all storage media. The difference is just how long it takes.
I'm baffled at how many people here still burn cds.....
It was Armin Van Buuren's Intense. Burned it for a road trip.
Jokes on you, I've never burned a CD
I had to do it last year so my school would let me listen to music during tests. Had to be on a burned cd so they could review it for cheating. I'm just lucky I still put a disc-drive in my pc builds.
You know, I wish I could remember what it was, there's something a little sad about it being the last one and me not even remembering what was on it. I think I would have burned what will likely be my last ever DVD quite a lot more recently, probably about 2018 or 2019, but CD, that's a way's back.
@CheeseToastie
Maybe there'll be a revival in twenty years or so 😁
Haha maybe! Like with vinyl
DBAN baby!
Start doing it again! Owning your media is cool and good, actually
It is, but CDs are much too small.
Too small? How so?
700MB (80 Minutes of audio) is too small compared to today's standards.
Idk, I think there's a value in being forced to curate. There's a reason that "Take what you've written and cut 20%" is common screenwriting advice.
It was a CD rw and didn't actually work. The data wasn't there.
My barely consumed blank cd tower somewhere in my basement agrees.
I have not yet begun to peak. I'm gonna make a driving CD eventually
Oh I knew. It was the last CD in the spindle and I had no plans of buying any more.
Naw, not yet. I still burn a few a year. Amazing how entertaining it can be in a older car.
While reading this subject line kids these days will be wondering 'why we are lighting metallic disks on fire'.
Even if nuclear war breaks out, at least the bank will still have records of how much we still owe them :)
Last week isn't really that long ago. Going through my mom's old things and found a PC she bought new back in 2013. A Dell Optiplex 790 with a dvdrw in it.
I just happened to have a couple of blanks so I verified that it worked before pulling it out and using it as an external drive. Works that way as well on my much newer Ryzen 5800x build in a case with no 5.25" bays. (Or externally accessed 3.5s for that matter. No external bays of any sort other than some USB ports on the front.)
My 2006 Honda also has a 6 disc changer and it sounds better than the Bluetooth adapter I connected to it. (It is wired to the back of the factory sound system, but Bluetooth audio just sounds flat to me, even on the best speakers)
Assuming your head unit is double-din, you could upgrade your radio that has an equalizer feature built in
That won't do anything about Bluetooth audio compression.
I still rip blurays, so reading them is go
Every now and then I have a reason to archive something at work, its probably like once a year tho
You can go burn a CD and know that it would be the last time. Not only is it not yet dead, it is still pretty widely used.
Neil Cicierega - 300MB^[YT]^
I still store offsite backups on CD and DVD disks
I still occasionally burn CDs, whenever I need new music in the car that doesn't require my phone. Last time was last year.
It was only a few years ago, when I ran off some Dreamcast games.
Sigh. I work in medical IT. They still burn shit. I've written procedures for USB, but alas...
Happened around 2010. Trust me I remember.
My last ISO was hirens boot CD. Shit like me test and whatnot
Obsolete tech needs to be preserved.
Why is this written in the past tense?
I rip all my vinyls to optical for backup purposes, so the last one I did was a few weeks ago.