Suspect in UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting taken into custody after being recognized at McDonald’s
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/dec/09/unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting-brian-thompson-suspect-police-latest-updatesOpen linkView original on lemmy.world623
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The bootlickers never cease to amaze me. A McDonald's employee? Are you fucking kidding me?
That $50,000 bounty is likely a bigger payout than two years of wages as a burger flipper...
And this is how the elite force us “lowers” to fight against each other instead of fighting them.
It's always been that way and will always be that way. The point isn't to stop the infighting entirely, it's to work in such ways as to reduce the impact it has on the goals we should be striving to achieve. Namely a better world for everyone.
It doesn’t have to always be this way
It will always be this way because people have opinions and perspectives. The two best ways to lessen infighting is by having a simple and common end goal. The second is a leader. Find both of these and I guarantee people will follow.
Sure, but there's a reason that scabs used to be beaten and shunned. Solidarity means everyone, and the consequences for breaking it need to be high or it's too easy for the bosses to pick people off one by one by offering them bonuses for ratfucking their peers.
It would be a shame if the person who sold out were publicly identified. Hopefully that will never ever happen.
Yes, in all honesty, hopefully that will never happen.
What, are you hoping for vigilante justice against a minimum wage worker?
That person should be publicly shamed for the class traitor they are
Did you forget that shame exists? Not all, hell not even most calls to name an offender are a call for violence, the vast majority are calls for accountability and potentially shame.
I'm no expert, but wouldn't the snitch have to pay taxes on the reward they receive? So they have earned the ire of a nation for a small stack of cash that they'll likely blow within a year. Smort.
Nothing good comes out of Altoona, look at their fucking "pizza"
Wtf kind of abomination is that?!
Please don't tell Jon Stewart
nono. please do. But make sure to record it
Something that would make every Chicagoan and their ancestors cry.
If I were Uncle Roger and I saw this abominable attempt at a deep dish pizza, I'd put my leg down from chair.
It’s a pizza, a sub, and “more”!
It looks like someone melted orange plastic on a dish sponge that was used to clean up a picnic table after a seafood boil
How to piss off the entire population of Italy in 1 image
Or just anyone who likes food.
Italians will just shrug and say "Beh, è l'America."
who the fuck tried to upscale ghetto pizza (which is basically toast, ketchup and sliced american)
Hey you're messing with our class solidarity posting that
Wow
Euccchhh what the fuck??
Burn it! Burn it with fire! The power of Christ compels you!
Or really just someone on a shit wage with rent and bills that saw 50k as an end to their immediate issues.
One can make a good living stealing out of a blind man’s cup.
How about posting a gofundme (or whatever) to collect whatever money they want to not snitch
Someone that has their own morals, and thinks killing is bad? Totally a bootlicker! For me its about principles. The death of this CEO changes nothing
The principle should be "harm society at large, abandon the protections of society".
Not a fan of human rights, are you?
Can we guarantee they'd report him if there was no financial incentive?
The system really doesn't give a fuck about your or anyone else's morals, let's not pretend otherwise. That's why they put a bounty on the killer, after all.
So if killing one person is bad, isn’t killing hundreds to thousands of innocent people/year hundreds to thousands of times more bad?
I think their argument is his death changes nothing.
It does, though. This guy was a fucking asshole even for a health insurance company CEO.
I mean, yes it does change things for CEO+family. But nothing is going to change regarding how these companies treat people.
I meant in the sense that he took a, well, normal insurer and raised its claim denial rates to one of the highest in the industry. The world is legitimately a better place with him gone, because while I doubt UHC will accept more claims at least he won't be around to kill even more people.
He isn't except from the justice system last time I remember. He is also not personally and individual to blame for the sole responsibility of those deaths. Also a murder isn't the same as a person dying of something else because that didn't get treated.
I'm not a total corpo bootlicker no worries, but I believe this is just one more death this whole system claims and I despise the celebration of his death. I believe in the end this death changes nothing, like I said
First they let Trump work the fryer for a PR stunt, now this. Fucking McDonald's...
I don't eat at McDonald's for a variety of reasons, but I doubt very much that the company has anything to do with the guy being called in.
As much as I dislike them calling, I can’t really be mad at someone who’s making minimum or near-minimum wage for being tempted by the reward money. There’s a good chance they’re living paycheck to paycheck.
And they'll be back to paycheck to paycheck soon enough.
Have a little faith in humanity? If it's a 19 year old working through college that's basically their whole 4 year tuition and them some in that area
Didn't say I didn't have faith. But the likelihood they will have much in a years' time is extremely low.
You must not know how much tuition is. That'll cover a year at a place like NYU. Maybe 2 years for an out-of state school.
Having all the incriminating evidence on him seems... Extremely unlikely considering the rest of what we know about the situation.
That's the type of shit you'd expect from desperate police planting evidence. Planting a random suppressor, a supposedly "phantom" 3d printed gun, and a manifesto isn't exactly hard. Only the gun could possibly be directly traced to the bullets fired, and that's not something they can test in the field.
Not saying that's necessarily the case here, but this would not be the first time law enforcement, including the FBI, planted evidence because of outside pressures.
Do they plant the evidence on him in the McDonald's, or is it just in a bag at the station and it's "found on him" when they search him there? Planting it publicly seems hard. Would have to give every officer a bag of "evidence" or know who was going to respond to the call. Besides the whole not getting seen planting it by the public.
Rich people are the only class with any solidarity.
It sucks major but it could be someone who lives in a small bubble, doesn't use social media, and only watches fox news. Or whatever local news channel. If that's all they see, they might think they did the right thing. They could be oblivious.
They could also be a bootlicker. Time will tell if we get more info. If their info is released the 50k probably won't be worth it.
I mean, he has a very active Twitter account
Idealistic teenagers will get you every time. Old enough to drink the Flavor Aid, young enough to not have the experience to temper it.
Who probably doesn't even have health insurance at all. People acting against their own self-interest are all over the place.
How is tipping off the police to get the cash reward against your self interest? Holy fuck dude.
Some people really do seem to believe that "murder is wrong." Who'd have thought?
Nuance... There are people calling for violence against the McDonald's employee who reported the murderer to the police.
Tankies didn't know the meaning of the word "nuance". People who express nuance are "Nazi sympathizers" or "class traitors". Anyone with a remotely "centrist" view is "sitting in a Nazi bar" and therefore culpable.
This place is a shithole of absolute moralism.
Cherry picking??? There are tons of examples!
"Fuck the people who reported him."
"That McDonald’s worker should be hiding"
"The employee sent someone to live life in prison. As far as drag’s concerned, that is murder."
Something something "nazi bar" my friend. Or in this case it's a "tankie bar".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification
Careful, .world admins don't like people mentioning jury nullification
Technically, it is not legal. However, there’s no way to either prove it, nor is there any recourse against it.
Please point me to the statute or code which states a juror is legally obliged to render an accurate and truthful verdict, and explain how you would enforce such a thing.
I guess you’ve never done jury duty, but when I have, they make you swear an oath more or less to that effect. I’m pretty sure it can be prosecuted, but if you want to the specific laws, you’re welcome to find that for yourself.
If you have also done jury duty, you will recall that the duration of the deliberation is done in a sealed room with no officials present.
You can absolutely conspire to nullify in complete discretion because your conversations legally cannot leave the room until the case has shut.
I hung and nullified a jury myself. It was very uncomfortable. At two points I requested the judge to come in and explain to the rest of the jurors I didn’t owe them any explanation for my not guilty verdict. It took the trial out an additional two days and everyone was pissed at me but I was not going to sit in my privilege and give a guy a felony conviction after months of obvious police harassment.
It is actually legal. It's built directly from the laws and kind of a necessary component if you want jury trials to actually work and not just be a kangaroo court. People just don't like it.
Technically we have jury exactly for that reason.
Otherwise we only would need a judge.
The whole idea behind jury is meant to prevent judge from convicting someone if peers don't believe the crime should be punished.
Here is an example of that from wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Talaat_Pasha . Jury nullification (1921, Germany).
The hivemind didn't like that but it's true, in most states just uttering the words anywhere near the courthouse can cause mistrials and a misdemeanor charge.
They revised mod policy to only hand out bans/deletions if jury nullification was referenced as a cause to vilence, not a reaction o past events. I'm paraphrasing, of course.
Yeah, basically
"Go do [Violence] and we'll do jury nullification afterwards" is bad, bur
"[Violence happened], but it was justified in the eyes of the majority of people so jury Nullification should happen"
Is OK
We should all completely cease talking about it. It, of course being jury nullification.
Why? Seems like something people should know about.
I think that message was a sort of sarcastic way of getting around a "dont talk about jury nullification" rule, in that saying "we cant talk about x", while making it very clear what x is, prompts people unfamiliar with x to go look it up
Ding ding ding. Ding, of course being jury nullification
I'm warning you. If you say jury nullification once more...
Ding (jury nullification)
Because the refusal to convict someone based on laws and circumstances you feel are unjust is wrong and goes against everything the ruling class have fought for.
But if also a cornerstone. (For better and worse--it got and still gets used to excuse people who commit hate crimes, for example.)
Good time to switch away from .world
The policy was cleared up, basically EU/Dutch/Finnish law doesn't like Jury Nullification in regards to future crimes/calls to violence. But in regards to crimes already committed it's fine. And being as that's where .world is hosted, that's the law they go by.
I don’t care, already left
Bunch of bootlickers
Switched to dbzer0 straight after seeing a mod try and justify the censorship of this topic by saying something along the lines of "only God can judge."
Now I get to enjoy aaaall the content world has defederated from.
To clarify, the admins have updated their views in reaction to this week and user feedback:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification
They specifically said it's okay in reference to crimes already committed.
What is the reasoning? Is there any?
You really think every person in real life goes ahead with supporting this murder just because you heard enough people online repeating this in this echo chamber?
No. Everybody knows that some people stand up for mass murderers, so long as they do it by enough proxy layers.
Plenty of people betray society for want of looking down on others
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification
It goes well beyond any one echo chamber, I still have Xitter and peruse TikTok from time to time. It was/is everywhere across the political spectrum
Bro there are Ben Shapiro watchers mad at him for shilling for big corporate interests in the reporting over this story. They agree with the killer too lol
Yeah, they seem to...
I've definitely heard both sides of the argument from people who are in no way rich. This is an echo chamber on anti-wealth issues. What people agree on is getting rid of health insurance.
Ummm... That's awfully convenient. He just happened to have brought that exact gun with its suppressor to McDonald's. I'm skeptical.
How do you not throw the gun away before leaving the city?? The ID was apparently on him too
Exactly this. He pulls off the hit, escapes without a trace. But is somehow dumb enough to carry convicting evidence on him still while in a very public location?
Anyone would know to dump the evidence and lay low for a good while.
Toss that shit in a river and go back to your life like nothing happened.
Laying low and hiding just makes people suspicious. If the cops come looking and your work and friends haven’t seen you since the shooting, you look guilty as fuck.
Leave no trace and go back to your life. Looks way more plausible that you just took a mini vacation that way.
People online are saying he was expecting to get caught - Hence the YouTube video he released.
A real shame, his expectations lead to the outcome.
Ooh there's a youtube video? First I've heard of this. Do you have a link handy?
I may have been duped https://www.newsweek.com/luigi-mangione-youtube-video-arrest-unitedhealthcare-shooting-1998175
channel it was uploaded onto https://web.archive.org/web/20241209203920/https://www.youtube.com/@PepMangione might be him, probably not him, although interestingly its now a 404 page.
also reupload by poser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6PSrcw1Jaw
It was most likely actually in the backpack they found in Central Park
Everyone is asking these same questions...
...or maybe the police just found their scapegoat
Really weird scapegoat - super connected and wealthy family from Maryland? 40k a year private school? Cousin that's hardcore conservative and holds an elected office?
Someone got leveraged
I’m honestly willing to believe him being dumb founded for the last week, fully expecting to have been caught and said fuck it, better me than someone innocent.
You throw away the gun after leaving the city. In the middle of nowhere
They must have planted it back on him.
Found in a lake, then planted and parallel constructed
From the video, it sounded like they searched his residence and found it there.
Don't forget, they basically found a long drawn out letter about how much dislike he has for CEOs - something along those lines.
We all know that just what you go around carrying after you pulled off a crime like that.
We can't let the media take the narrative back and let them do a smear campaign on this person who might not even be the shooter. He's a suspect.
This ceo shooting broke the proverbial spell where what the population was actually saying wasn't being guided or swayed by the news.
We need to keep the steam up on the media pushback. All those savage, snarky comments and memes left on every news article, fb post, tweet... they got overwhelmed by us. That needs to keep happening so they can't go back to distracting and brainwashing people with fear and politics while they scapegoat this guy and try to make an example of him to the rest of us plebs.
They already tried to distract us with aliens and Diddy because people won't stop saying how much they hate insurance companies. Keep voicing your discontent where ever they leave an open comment box. Please do it. Not only is it cathartic, but it upsets the oligarchs and everytime you upset an oligarch someone's insurance is less likely to deny their claim.
You're telling me the same guy who was proclaimed some kind of modern ninja-spy-assassin-genius on the back of his work in NYC was just stupidly waltzing around Altoona carrying an illegal ghost gun?
Doubt.
It's possible that the myth grew out of proportion to the reality because we all got a bit caught up in the romance of the thing...
Though, like, I'd still absolutely hit that. Cut myself on those cheekbones, goddamn.In the modern surveillance state, it's hard to get away with this kind of thing. In a matter of hours, they had a partial photo, the hostel where he was staying, the ID he used, and the taxi he took.
Granted, some of this was probably from people reporting him after seeing his picture on the news.
There's still no reason he should have had any of those bits of evidence still on his person though if he didn't want to get caught.
My "I'd like it to be true" theory is that the guy is terminally ill anyhow, and escape vs. get caught later and have a platform due to the trial vs. be killed at the scene were all equally acceptable outcomes to him.
Hence the very meticulous planning and clear proficiency with the required steps to do the killing, yet (intentional?) sloppy drop of the phone and water bottle, plus exposure of his face, and continuing to carry every bit of the evidence they could hope to find on him days later.
Yeah after something like this you go back to your place off the grid for a while. Certainly not some medium sized town guaranteed to have desperate boot lickers. That kid just made 60k if the arrest turns out to be legitimate.
Proclaimed by whom?
Why would he be carrying all of the evidence including handwritten motives, the same fake ID and firearm with him to McDonald's after days of being on the run? If he really wanted a ghost firearm, he could have had a second one that fired another caliber. Why would he still be wearing a face mask to make him look exactly like the pictures that were released and triggering people to think of him?
Either this guy wanted to get caught, or we're not getting the full story.
Hate to wonder whether the widespread public exoneration could lead folks heroes to get lazy or even take for granted that “the people” universally love them and would never turn them in.
I'd like to send out a special "Fuck you" to the asshole that called this tip in, whether it turns out to be the real shooter or not. I can't imagine being such a piece of trash to go do that.
(Quote from a book review made by the suspect)
A bunch of rich people were scared. Now we are about to see a bunch of theater to make them all feel safe and good about treating the peasants poorly. Mark my words.
Lol, you mean someone hitting the “easy” button and telling cops where he is? That’s “police work”? Waiting around for someone to do the work for you?
Edit: I wouldn’t want to be the person collecting the reward for the arrest of this individual.
Honestly he was so smart to be able to get away basically undetected. After I reflected on it for a bit, there's no way he would unintentionally be presenting the same fake ID, manifesto and carrying all the stuff he had. It seems deliberate.
Luigi will be remembered as the one who took on American Healthcare and actually did something about it, even if the full weight of billionaire-owned media and the full force of the law is going to be dumped on him.
I still don't get this play here...
Why have all that shit on him.
Just go back and act like nothing happened.
I guess time will tell.
I can't say for sure whether it is the right decision.
Martin Luther King Jr. advocated for obeying just laws and disobeying unjust laws openly. This could be in the same vein.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/mlk-disobeyed-unjust-laws-state-america-today-requires-we-not-ncna1287569
Of course it could be in vain but I don't know. For sure I would have liked him to get away undetected. But probably knowing that he would eventually be caught regardless, to do it on his terms while he has a broad swath of support might have been his decision. He already humiliated the police from being able to catch him long enough.
Martin only won because the alternative to his vision wasn't the status quo, it was Malcolm...
And they still both got killed for it.
But mercing a CEO in broad daylight ain't a MLK move, that's 100% a Malcolm maneuver.
Absolutely, I'm not saying Luigi is MLK Jr. even remotely, I'm just saying that what he thinks is the right thing to do at the moment could be in line with some thinking like that, even if the original action is motivated by something else.
Actually, it seems like he views himself as a MLK...
https://gizmodo.com/computer-programmer-named-person-of-interest-in-killing-of-unitedhealthcare-ceo-2000536144
It's just his standard for Malcolm was Kaczinski...
Certainly. I'm not trying to argue with you about what this guy thinks of himself.
And looks like Malcolm might be proven right in the end.
After middle class sided with the blacks, the owner class turned all working Americans into field ******
And here we are...
There's better ways to say what you said, but there's still some stuff wrong with it
They really didn't...
They already had...
LBJ said that during the civil rights movement. He wasn't saying we should do that, but what the republicans were already doing.
How did civil rights get pushed?
White middle clsss enjoyed 2 decades of unprecedented prosperity, what are you basing your claims on?
Yeah... Great job. I'm sure your corporate overloads will appreciate it.
Fuckin' snitches.
No wait, hang on, you're telling me that this guy managed to get out of New York City after committing one of the most high profile killings ever and instead of laying low and waiting for the news to blow over he got caught in a McDonalds during an active manhunt with a fake I.D., the murder weapon, and a manifesto all on his person? Either he wanted to get caught, or I smell a scapegoat here. Can't have America's oldest gang losing face in front of their corporate sponsors, now can we?
Correction: random person who vaguely resembles images of a person in a similar jacket in unrelated images of alleged shooter selected as a sacrificial lamb by the incarceration industrial complex out of fear of the populace.
FTFY
Ugh, was hoping they'd never catch him.
Not looking forward to the upcoming demonization of him by the news.
Tear apart his manifesto, pull up some kooky tweets and his bed is made, next up they'll find CP on his phone or some shit 🤦♂️
I really wonder why he'd keep walking around with the same gun, same fake ID and manifesto though. Did he want to get caught???
Tinfoil hat time: with the police looking increasingly incompetent with no suspect or leads, the first person apprehended who vaguely resembles the shooter is provided with a free ghost gun, fake ID, and manifesto. It's all just too "slam dunk" perfect for me to not question it.
I don’t think that’s true at all. If anything, the perception that body cameras make the evidence found more solid actually increases the chances that evidence will be planted.
Multiple times now we have seen that these cameras do not record continuously. They have triggers like when the cop pulls a gun or shoots but otherwise need to be manually activated. And a lot of the time the cop knows the camera and will plant evidence before pretending to “discover” it on tape.
And we’re not talking about some random stop here. If this were to be a cover up type thing, it’d be much more carefully done. I mean not finding this guy would both embarrass police to an extreme degree and also encourage other people to do this stuff.
Whatever you do, do not underestimate the fact that elites want police to keep them safe and if some random person has to take the fall so they can say they caught someone, that’s absolutely what they’ll do.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/20/538279258/baltimore-police-caught-planting-drugs-in-body-cam-footage-public-defender-says
IIRC Baltimore got caught that way twice. I'm too lazy to google the other incident now though.
I thought so too, but if that's the case, why would they have him "Found" on a McD's after a call from a bystander?*
Doesn't really make the cops look competent, now does it?
*Bystander or McD employee? The news sources seem conflicted on this...
The local police responded and are holding the suspect for NYPD while they travel to interview the suspect.
Imagine being that cop and you know you are too stupid for the job haha
Social Media has been on his side up to this point and beat down fake news narrative.
The job ain't done.
The US is too good at destroying people's reputation, yeah. This guy is gonna get vilified hard (whether he did it or not).
Already people are at it coming up with reasons not to like this guy. Are we really expecting someone with perfect morals to suddenly come up with a plan to assissinate a CEO, execute it almost flawlessly and flee?
This guy doesn't have to be my friend. I don't really care if he admired right-wingers. Honestly almost everyone (including me) will have goofy stuff that you can bring up to discredit them. Are we not allowed to acknowledge the good that has happened since the shooting because this guy's book review, a deranged college-age tweet, his preppy upbringing or whatever? We can't acknowledge that authorizations have somehow gotten faster and denial rates plummeted? That a shitty restriction on anesthesiologist time was reversed? A national conversation was started on how strangely focused America media is on covering certain stories and aspect of that story compared to others? That for once the radical left and radical right could somehow agree on something?
These are the questions swirling through my head today. My hope is most people will see through the bullshit, and how to actually effect change quickly is to put real pressure on the top of the organization, preferably through non-violent means, in ways that truly remind them they are not immune from the damage they cause in search of ever-increasing profit.
lol exactly.
I can appreciate his contribution without endorsing his every single facet.
The whole point here is that we are all people mostly decent with our own flaws.
We have more income than not... it is time to get over ourselves and start focusing on shit that matters like health, housing, and education.
I doubt we will get another moment like this, it is once in generation.
Dismantle the health insurance industry!
It seems to me that social media, through the implementation of posts, likes, up- & down- votes, boosts, re-tweets, and etc., has created an unconscious universal belief that everyone gets a say on what and who is right or wrong through public idolizing or shaming. Masses of people that hold much worse opinions on a daily basis criticize others for saying or doing something that is divergent and exposed. People in the public are held to an undefined standard of perfection. In practice, people assess if they like someone or not, then surgically find anything to support that conviction. Without a bond to the figure or personal consequences to the castigator, understanding and compassion are prevailed over by resentment and hypocritical airs of moral superiority. Public figures become the target of everyone's unresolved unconscious personal social gripes.
You're right, this is very destructive.
With the whole thing of the monopoly money..I think he wanted to be found to make a statement
Yes it does seem this was always about sending a message.
He saw the problem but had no idea what to do for solutions and the ones society was feeding him (he didn't come up with that on his own) are bullshit. But society won't tell you about Baudrillard.
This is something people need to get better at seeing. If we want to reach these people we need to understand what's happening when they say things like this. We also, ourselves, need to understand this stuff so we can speak intelligently about it. You know the media and powers that be never will.
I don't fully agree with him here, but I see where he's coming from and respect his opinion. Personally I think these cultural elements are driven by material conditions, and that it would be better to address the underlying problem of social alienation and capitalist exploitation directly.
He made it all the way to middle-of-nowhere PA, but he was still carrying all the evidence on him? Sounds like they found Spartacus
This gave me a raging boner
RIP that McDonald's. They just dug their own grave.
It's getting review bombed lol
McDonald's
https://g.co/kgs/yZWd4GM
Edit: Google is removing all reviews from today
If you are in the area, boycott!
The townsfolk are going to know, and word spreads
Something something stiches
Legitimately I would quit if I worked there.
It's not worth working at a place so many hate already, add this on top and I'll be surprised if it doesn't get burned down for association with the employee.
Most people can't afford to quit. This is such a fucking useless comment.
Shoulda have never fucking went to the clown...
I'm accusing parallel construction. The released photos have so little detail that there must be a hundred thousand Americans that match their appearance.
Someone did their Snowden reading:
De facto illegal and shady as hell, but in use when the (feds especially) want to catch someone, typically via warrantless SIGINT mass surveillance. They’ll do the investigation using dragnets and broad searches through metadata and other means that are illegal and inadmissible in court, then an incredibly convenient cop/witness/informant will appear with information that permits an arrest/search under permissible means - under the hope that the suspect has incriminating evidence.
This is wayyy too convenient to get him, with all the evidence on hand, from a ‘concerned citizen’. We live in a police state, that serves the ruling and moneyed class.
To be fair, the video of the shooter had the upper half of his face.
And the guy they arrested has the upper half of his face.
Although I have the upper half of my face.
Do you have the upper half of your face? If not we can probably rule you out.
Altoona McDonald's Flooded with Angry 1-Star Reviews After Arrest of Suspected UnitedHealthcare CEO Killer: 'Rats Everywhere'
Where's his GoFundMe?
I want to read his manifesto and support his defence.
'Mein Anspruch'
Dreamy
Bring me the Luigi crossover memes. Bring me them all.
Mama mia!
As someone said on another site: Cuty McShooty
God damn.
Would
Why is I Did A Thing not wearing his apron?
Muad'ib lookin' ass
He's pretty cute! See if you can find a picture of his dad.
Fuck the people who reported him.
Damn. I was hoping he’d get away with it.
Theres always next time.
It is always possible they got the wrong guy.
We can only hope
Jury nullification occurs when a jury returns a Not Guilty verdict even though jurors believe beyond reasonable doubt that the defendant has broken the law. Because the Not Guilty verdict cannot be overturned, and because the jurors cannot be punished for their verdict, the law is said to be nullified in that particular case.
2 days ago the "experts" were telling us how the shooters planning and brains were why he got out of the city so easily. now we're being told that he just happened to have the gun, silencer, fake id, and manifesto all on his person? not a chance, feel bad for this guy who's obviously a scapegoat and just the first similar looking dude they found
This doesn’t even look like him. Eyebrows nose and smile are completely different.
Will people be able to make freedom of information requests for the interrogation footage?
Certainly. Anyone can.
Oh I'm sorry, the cameras malfunctioned at the same time the NVR crashed and the redundant backup failed.
Because you want to see them plant the evidence or because you want to watch him get patted down?
Plant what evidence?
It looks like the guy was caught with the weapon and the fake ids used during his stay in NY.
Why is there so much talk about a fall guy? They have the guy, he has a manifesto. If the police had the gun and fake ids then they would have got them off the real guy so no need for a fall guy.
Looking at pictures of Luigi he looks like the dude in the other photos and I’m sure in time he’ll tell us why he did it.
There is no need for a conspiracy here, and frankly I find it baffling why you would think this is a frame up.
Edit: I guess we will all see when the dude speaks up in court.
Because sometimes idiots will plant evidence on someone they legitimately believe is guilty, but don't have the evidence to prove it.
Like, I don't think it's a stretch to say the majority of Americans know someone who has had that happen to them. I know everyone who knows me does, because it happened to me as a kid.
Sure, I did what the cops thought I did. But the only evidence was what one cop planted, so charges never went anywhere. But if I hadn't been bailed out, I could have spent 6-12 months in jail waiting for the charges to be dropped.
This is reality.
So whether or not this specific one is a plant, you can't just believe what cops say at face value. Even when they're trying to "do the right thing" they can be corrupt. Lots of them just think the ends justify the means
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/20/538279258/baltimore-police-caught-planting-drugs-in-body-cam-footage-public-defender-says
I too have ben fucked over by the cops when I was younger, but come on. It’s a massive stretch to believe that they just pick some random guy and plant a murder weapon, fake ids and a manifesto.
Let’s say we buy into that argument. Where did they get the gun? The IDs? And who wrote the manifesto.
Not to mention the dude (Luigi) looks like the dude we seen in the CCTV images shown the last few days.
What is the benefit to finding a fall guy? It’s not going to stop someone else who is motivated to do the same to another CEO.
Regardless of your opinion on the suspect, taking cops at their word is fuckin stupid behavior. I don't give a shit what kind of evidence they say they have until it's scrutinized in court. The police lie for a living, it does not matter how high profile this case is.
It's nothing they (The Cops) haven't done before, and it wouldn't be just any random person, it'll be whoever looks closest to the images
They usually take what they need from evidence lockup
There's a million people who "looks like" someone else, nearly every image was missing LARGE portions (but different) of the face
To save face, literally that's it.
Not really.
It's not "the murder weapon" it's a basic bitch p80 and a silencer. Maybe it's the murder weapon, we don't know yet.
And a fake ID isn't great evidence too, it doesn't have his name, or maybe even his actual picture. It could have been found in the backpack, along with a manifesto.
Like, I'm not saying it's a framejob, but you're acting incredulous that anyone could believe this could be a frame-up. To me it's less likely he's just going to a random McDonald's with all that stuff on him.
It's certainly possible, even plausible. That's different than saying it is, which seems to be the argument you're trying to have.
Because the CEO was under DOJ investigation for insider trading and a civilian suit from shareholders because he didn't let them know to sell when he did.
The CEO fucked over the rich, and blaming it on this would be an amazing frame up.
Because everyone wants the lie to be true.
Stop acting like real life is boring. Shits been crazy if you haven't noticed
It was just a joke about there being a video of a handsone guy getting frisked. I don't really think they planted evidence.
He's an ivy league kid with wealthy parents, he's not talking to anyone, those people know to immediately lawyer up and keep your mouth shut
He apparently has a manifesto. Dude wants to talk about what he believes and is willing to kill over.
Luigi better shut the fuck up
I wish him a very merry
mistrialJURY NULLIFICATION. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqH_Y1TupoQNah, mistrial means he can get tried again at a later date.
Wish him a very happy not guilty verdict via JURY NULLIFICATION
We should start a pardon petition.
I am normally the first to decry dipshit conspiracy theories. However does anyone else find it interesting that they quickly arrested someone who looks not the same but similar to the released photos, with an untraceable 3d printed gun? That gun gives them the lack of need to prove where it came from and a vague air of suspiciousness. Oooh he wrote a suggestive book review. Case close boys?
Doesn't look like remotely the same person as those photos
The guy had a bunch of fake IDs, and a gun with a silencer.. kind of hard to brush that aside.
Well yeah, that's why he's considered a suspect, and assumed innocent until proven guilty in the court system. (That's how it's supposed to work anyway)
The health insurance company has zero more insight into this than we do. Who gives a flying fuck what they say? There trying to shift the narrative back off their own crimes against humanity
A learnt commenter spotted.
Supposedly
Oh we have a fucking expert here.
I am. I've been looking at human faces for over 35 years. I've learned to tell many of them apart.
There goes my hero....
This is what happens when you pay people minimum wage with shitty benefits. Those folks are looking for a quick buck and the informant will mostly likely receive $50k.
Rev up those gofundmes for his bail and lawyers.
To all the people who say he's just a suspect, unfortunately they have good evidence against him, our only hope now is a jury of our peers.
Hmm. Sounds like bullshit with how much "evidence" they "found".
He needs to say something to the public. Like "I regret that I have but one life to give for my country." I don't know where I got that from. Probably read it on the Internet or something.
Damn, shoulda gone through the drive through.
I wonder if some hotshot lawyer might want to take his case as a challenge and help acquit him. Depending on the circumstances, he could have a chance. Might make for an interesting legal case study, at least.
Tbh, I hate that this poor kids life took this turn, and he felt the need to do this. I guarantee you that more than half the people he stood up for, won’t be standing up for him.
Uhhh “my client is fuckin’ rad” is not a legal defense.
Maybe not in the technical sense, but if the jury is on board they could absolutely use that as justification to implement jury nullification of a guilty verdict.
If a lawyer mentioned that in court it would be grounds for a mistrial.
You know, I think he would have been more rad if he had amassed enough wealth or resources to make a difference for things he cares about. Musk basically showed us that you can buy American democracy for $250M.
He’s from a very wealthy connected family that is well known in the area. His attorneys will be top tier
cant be all that bright if he still had anything used in ny on his person.
Right?!? Bro should have ditched all his shit in central park and swapped his color palette from black/gray to brown right down to his shoes
I think that he was expecting to be cougth.
Why? Was he sick?
Sorry, bad english here. I can read it, but writing sometimes this happens.
"Caught", just in case you still wondered how it is spelled. I appreciate your effort, carry on.
Out in public too at peak fame.
Was the gun in the shooting a ghost gun? Either way, ghost guns can be illegal independently of their connection to a shooting, so he's likely gonna get it for that if nothing else. But yeah, if it is the same gun, definitely should have destroyed that bad boy immediately.
The pictures they released previously had 2 to 3 different jackets, and 2 different backpacks, yet somehow he ditched all of that and not the incriminating stuff? Seems strange
Nah that ain't him.
Edit: Looking at photos they had on ABC NY article and this guy? Unless they get him to plead guilty or otherwise confess, which they totally could do, it actually really might not be him.
Were there other pictures circulating? I don't get how they could recognise him instantly... or at all based off the pictures I've seen.
I don’t condone murder. I also do not feel inclined to prioritize his punishment
That means you condone murder.
Tell me its not illegal to possess a false ID and present it to a private corporation like a hotel, for privacy, right?
My understanding is this is only a crime when presenting it to police or other State official
Doesn't look anything like the pictures the cops spread
Alright that guy’s gonna get the most ripped statue ever
there's no way this is the guy. if he gets convicted it'll be because cops and DAs want the case closed at all costs because it's so high profile.welp seems like this is him
Public appeasement plant 🪴
Doesn’t that imply it was the public that needed to be appeased? lol
Looks like the dude had back pain, healthcare provier wouldnt pay to get it fixed so he took revenge.
Bruh you burn that shit the moment you're in the clear. Even your average armchair revolutionary knows that.
It just feels too perfect. Its probably a copycat, could be a faked arrest though. If it is a copycat there is a pretty high chance law enforcement just won't care, and will treat him as if he was the assassin
Got some advice for him
Never would have thought McDonalds of all places would do that.
He has been named as a person of interest.
I highly doubt it; it's more likely AI attempting to perform its tasks but inadvertently causing issues for innocent individuals.
ITT conspiracy theories abound already.
I would love to see a massive boycott of MacDonald everywhere (at least in the US), I am surprised that this hasn't come up somewhere online yet. That would be powerful signal IMO
Wow, he’s even hotter in this picture.
Listen, it says a lot that someone must have recognised him from circumstance and eyebrows. They did not squeal.
Hero
Important lessons here kids. Just sayin'
ITT: a bunch of lemmings who apparently aren’t big fans of law and order.
You make any society worse, you asshats.