We also don't know that it was Luigi. It was someone for sure, but Luigi could easily have been framed. Circumstances were a bit too perfect and the chain of custody of the evidence was all messed up IIRC
Not saying it was definitely someone else, but I reckon there's reasonable doubt.
"The “gap” refers to an approximately 11-minute period during Luigi Mangione’s December 2024 arrest in Altoona when Officer Christy Wasser’s body camera was turned off while police transported him and/or evidence from the McDonald’s to the police station."
Just like soldiers do in war. Just like police do in the street.
Woah woah woah, use whatever justification you like, but you really shouldn't put criminals and murderers on the same level as actual heroes like Luigi Mangione.
Yeah you got me there. I was speaking from a legal and moral theory perspective. It makes me cringe thinking I described police in the positive. But hey, theoretically they're supposed to stop the bad guys right? Not be their enablers lol
Oh no, he's innocent. But he's still a hero for being a scapegoat and enduring the false charges. I still regard him as a hero even though none of it was his choice and he was just some guy trying to grab some McDonald's.
as much as I hate to say this, not all cops are bastards, this has been over generalizarion since the beginning and I can see that is unfortanely suprisngly close to accurate but not completely true
in my police academy class, we had a clique of around six trainees who routinely bullied and harassed other students: intentionally scuffing another trainee’s shoes to get them in trouble during inspection, sexually harassing female trainees, cracking racist jokes, and so on. Every quarter, we were to write anonymous evaluations of our squadmates. I wrote scathing accounts of their behavior, thinking I was helping keep bad apples out of law enforcement and believing I would be protected. Instead, the academy staff read my complaints to them out loud and outed me to them and never punished them, causing me to get harassed for the rest of my academy class. That’s how I learned that even police leadership hates rats. That’s why no one is “changing things from the inside.” They can’t, the structure won’t allow it.
And that’s the point of what I’m telling you. Whether you were my sergeant, legally harassing an old woman, me, legally harassing our residents, my fellow trainees bullying the rest of us, or “the bad apples” illegally harassing “shitbags”, we were all in it together. I knew cops that pulled women over to flirt with them. I knew cops who would pepper spray sleeping bags so that homeless people would have to throw them away. I knew cops that intentionally provoked anger in suspects so they could claim they were assaulted. I was particularly good at winding people up verbally until they lashed out so I could fight them. Nobody spoke out. Nobody stood up. Nobody betrayed the code.
None of us protected the people (you) from bad cops.
This is why “All cops are bastards.” Even your uncle, even your cousin, even your mom, even your brother, even your best friend, even your spouse, even me. Because even if they wouldn’t Do The Thing themselves, they will almost never rat out another officer who Does The Thing, much less stop it from happening
How many times have you watched a cop stop another cop? ... A few, perhaps. That's an OK cop.
Now, have you ever seen a cop stop and arrest another cop? Perhaps not. But if you have, maybe that's a good cop. Maybe. Because how many times did they turn away, pretend not to see it? We will never know.
How many times have you watched a cop stop another cop? ... A few, perhaps. That's an OK cop.Now, have you ever seen a cop stop and arrest another cop?
In both cases the cop stopping another cop is going to be harassed by the force into quitting within 3 months. That's why ACAB: any that aren't get pushed out.
Its your opinion , why would you hate to say it ? own it, it's yours.
I see the full meaning of ACAB as: if you participate in a system widely regarded as championing bastard-like behaviour then you yourself are a bastard by proxy and/or association.
Some cops actively try to change the pervasive bastardishness, they are not cops for very long , the latest example.
Some cops are there because they need to feed their kids(or themselves), still bastards, but with a relatable reason (perhaps even approaching a viable excuse) as to why they continue to make that choice.
if your argument is that at any point in time, there is the possibility of a non-bastard cop existing because they haven't been murdered, exiled, scapegoated, indoctrinated. converted or quit yet....then yes that is technically correct.
This, like everything else, is subjective.
If you are rich and/or powerful enough to be considered inside the demographic the police were designed to actually protect (as opposed to control) then i'm sure it's a much less bastardlike experience.
It's not about the individuals and it never was. Officer friendly is still part of the carceral system that protects the rich from the poor but not the other way around.
Cops are human, they are trying to do the right thing, (mostly, even the actual bastards are mostly trying to do right by their community, everyone is the hero of their own story)
I don't think they're boot licking, I just think they're showing this is an argument that boot lickers make about cops. They're saying you can make the same argument here for Luigi, showing that the back-the-blue types make that argument hypocritically.
Like yes police incompetence should be expected, but they broke every rule arresting him, searching his bag, etc etc. Evidence being inadmissible aside, the police did a great job of substantiating our suspicions that Luigi was framed.
Like maybe he's alluding to the framing being an insult to the american people. But me personally if I was being framed by the government and desperately trying to get help, I would say it more plainly.
The police cornering someone in a McDonalds and "finding" evidence behind a wall of officers with zero transparency is exactly why courts shouldn't admit such evidence.
Maybe if police didn't have a documented history and widely known legacy of false imprisonment, planting evidence, and down right corruption...
If he did, literally all the evidence was faked in a parallel construction so obvious it makes me doubt these people could have managed any other in history. It makes me question whether drug dogs might even be a real thing
They either watch you to know when to signal, in the cases where it actually "works" (which, as fucked up as it is, reading your body language is "working" for some definition of working), or they're just using it as an excuse to search/harass you, in which case they just signal when they want to.
And this frame up/parallel construction was so inept it makes me believe for a split second they are not adequately competenr manage to send those signals.
A 2011 analysis by the Chicago Tribune examined three years of data on police dog alerts during traffic stops in suburban Chicago. The study found that drugs or paraphernalia were discovered in only 44% of cases where dogs alerted. Notably, the accuracy dropped to 27% when the driver was Latino, suggesting potential bias in the deployment or interpretation of canine alerts.
This doesn't prove dogs can't detect odors. At best it implies bias in officers which is not really what you suggested. It's also a lone study.
I work adjacent to this field so these kinds of claims coming from someone who clearly doesn't makes it sound like you don't really know what you are talking about.
Look man, I was just linking you to a study when you asked for sources. There’s no need for hostility here. Also, there are more studies discussed in the article if you actually click on the link.
same here. I still believe that the real guy got the fuck out so fast they has to find the closest look alike to use as a scapegoat in order to prove the cops aren't incompetent
Police broke chain of custody on pretty much his entire kit. If it isn't submittable as evidence, the DA is going to have a hellish time putting him at the scene of the crime.
Oh okay sure pal, I guess since the files were on his home computer means he just sold the gun to the local police two states away who then committed the crime, tricked him into traveling there, and then framed him. /sarcasm
EDIT: BTW a judge ruled the evidence can still be shown to the jury.
The thing about ghost guns is that anyone can print them.
Past that, they can probably get him on some kind of conspiracy to print a dearly weapon charge with the computer files. But that's a long way from putting him at the scene of the crime with the murder weapon on the day in question.
It's not even a question of if he did it. It's the problem of bringing the evidence they have in front of a jury without it getting tossed by the judge first.
If the plastic and infill used to print the suppressor doesn't match the other printed part still with the gun then I'm sure that will come up in court.
I mostly remember the billionaire reactions about it.
Musk, Don Jr and others. At first my impression is, why they are so vocal about it, it is unrelated to them, then I realized that they see themselves as a different class (not plebs like us) and in their eyes this was a class war and somebody from the plebs killed someone in the Epstein class scared them shitless.
They'd given us enough bread and circuses to prevent it. What surprises me is that there weren't any copycats - perhaps they were foiled by increased security or just not reported on.
His lawyers and he know exactly what kind of sham trial the prosecution is planning on behalf of their corporate oligarchs. Making it completely transparent is the only chance they have.
They broadcast the OJ Trial, they should broadcast Luigi's trial.
The prosecution is scared shitless that the concept of Jury Nullification will become mainstream, and if the Cirizens realize they can just release anyone they want to, then MAGA won't be able to win their bullshit cases.
Let's be honest, you'll never get a jury that at least 1 person doesn't vote guilty, so it would be a hung jury. Thus he would spend life in prison blowing through all his families money continuously going back to court getting tried for murder over and over. He'd die in prison and his family would give up on him eventually because face it... The system already beat him.
In practice that's now how hung juries work, even for high-profile cases. No DA wants to have the shame of repeatedly trying the same trial, even if double jeopardy doesn't apply. At some point it looks to the voters that you're just wasting taxpayer resources.
Instead what tends to happen is that the charges get less severe with each trial, and that the defendant gets a better plea offer each time. For example, maybe Mangione gets a hung jury for the capital murder trial. In the next trial they charge him in a way the death penalty isn't on the table. If first degree murder fails, the next trial they charge him with second degree murder. It becomes easier to get a conviction with each trial, as jurors are less likely to practice jury nullification as the stakes of the trial decrease.
Eventually the defendant just accepts a plea deal. Every trial is still a roll of the dice for the defendant. If he kept getting hung juries, maybe eventually Mangione accepts a plea deal for manslaughter.
No one wants to do infinite trials. The prosecutor doesn't want to seem weak or a waster of taxpayer resources. The defendant doesn't want to keep rolling the dice with their life. With each passing trial, the charges decrease. With each trial, conviction becomes easier. Eventually the defendant just accepts a plea deal to eliminate the possibility of spending the rest of their life in prison.
The prosecutor won't care if it wastes tax dollars or about the image of the case having been hung. Trump will publicly smear the jury members on live television that dont vote guilty. Fox will call them all leftist terrorists who are a threat to our country.
You need to apply more critical thinking and consider the actual motivations prosecutors are under. It does no good to just model your adversaries as infinitely powerful demons and assume they have the will and capacity to do all the evil all the time. It makes you incapable of rational thought.
There are very real downsides to a prosecutor bringing a case again and again. Downsides that actually hurt their goals.
With each trial the evidence gets less fresh.
With each trial the prosecutor seems to more of the public as the villain.
With enough trials defendants can start making legal claims based on due process grounds (not double jeopardy grounds.)
Every trial is a roll of the dice that the jury will return a full verdict of not guilty, rather than merely a hung jury.
With each trial the popularity of the defendant increases, upping political pressure on the prosecutor.
After enough trials, the governor will be under pressure to just grant the defendant a pardon.
With more and more trials, the prosecutor risks completely destroying their career. They risk being seen as an incompetent clown who either can't get a conviction or is too dumb to realize when he doesn't have a case.
You can assume the prosecutor is evil if you want. But that doesn't mean you can pretend that the prosecutors still aren't mortal human beings with the same worldly pressures as anyone else. And despite Trump's verbal diarrhea, federal prosecutors have had to abandon countless cases due to lack of evidence, Trump's tantrums be damned.
Even if you assume the prosecutor is willing to do anything to get the maximum conviction possible, they still will not endlessly try defendants. Each trial makes a conviction more unlikely. Which is why charges get watered down and plea offers get more generous.
They don't care about optics? Really? The same guys who lie whenever an ICE shooting happens to immediately portray the victim as a criminal? The same guys who changed the names to the Department of War and the Gulf of America? The same guys that launch political prosecutions they know will never succeed (like the reflecting pool cases), just to sooth Trump's ego?
These clowns are void of substance. They're nothing but optics.
I'm just describing how hung juries work and the pressures involved on both prosecution and defendant. Maybe you should think before you speak. And start by not being a pompous ass.
In this case, there was no trial, the prosecutor dropped the case, and cited the true reason for the damage, which is the perfect defense if there was a retrial.
This is just Trump having a tantrum like the spoiled nine year old he is.
A hung jury doesnt count as being tried, it's declared moot and they just try you again with another jury. Aka if 1 person in jury believes he did kill the guy like I said in my post. Prison forever.
the clown eric adams is right behind, so he can get some brownie points from trump. im guessing it dint work out thats why he got a passport from the albanian king.
of course, how else would be able to tell the court he was with various people during the shooting and is being FRAMED.
the court also doesnt want to admit they likely use AI/palantir to identify and locate him, and they "mysterious TIPSTER" at mcdonalds likely dint exist.
OJ got this. And I bet Luigi won't try to publish a stupid book called, "If I Did It." Not that the judge will let him get anything that helps, probably.
Back then, I worked for the music division of the company that published that book, and they had our department pitch the audio book to record stores.
Literally EVERY single retail buyer said "Fuck NO," and I didn't push back at all. I didn't sell one copy in my region, and when HQ tried to harass me for not pushing it, I told them that I asked, and was told No. I did my job, now fuck off.
I'm still sitting here wondering why this real pretty young Mediterranean looking man is being charged when the CCTV footage showed a big bulky anglo guy in his 40s as the shooter..
I made the same point on Reddit years ago and got downvoted hard.
Yes, maybe, it depends on what parts and what timing. You might wait years to get access to some pieces... We need transparency now because immediate public pressure makes shady prosecutors and judges think twice before doing more shady shit.
(The prosecution will still do shady shit, but if it's live, they're risking their careers with each additional action, so they tend to be a little less dishonest. As we saw in Karen Read.)
He was a despicable piece of trash who denied healthcare to thousands of ordinary folks, causing untold suffering, family bankruptcy and suicides. All just so he and his shareholders could squeeze a little more money out of everyone. But unfortunately that doesn't count as murder.
Oh, you didn't mean Brian Thompson? Either way, Luigi did nothing wrong.
Because the state hasn't proven he is. The evidence we've seen so far seems pretty flimsy to me. Luigi's defense team filed a complaint that showed extremely poor chain of custody of evidence, suggesting that certain evidence isn't valid or might be a setup. The cops have been real weird about it, using the high profile of the case to self promote and make a spectacle of things in the media. I think there are reasons - aside from the presumption of innocence until guilt is proven - to think this guy isn't just a murderer.
Imo he's absolutely a murderer. I just happen to support his choice of victim and motivations. I kinda feel that in some circumstances murder is beneficial to society, and this is one very rare example of that. I hope they let him out and he does it again.
You're confusing people who hate capitalism with people who love celebrities. No one really gives a shit about Luigi Mangione as a person, but even if they did, driving engagement to communities that discuss the topic is not the way I'd go about "disrupting" it.
The series peaked at 5, I'm only just now hearing there even was a 7.
EDIT: Reminder that Luigi is the heir to the Mangione fortune and has two degrees including from an Ivy League university. If the big "gotcha" is that he was listed in the credits of a videogame that really proves my point.
Bro didn't even know civ7 existed and in the same breath confidently called it bad. This is how stupid someone has to be to hate on Luigi.
I knew that civ7 existed because on December 4th 2024 around 6:45am Luigi was at my house and was showing me how excited he was about some of the features he was adding to it. Really great guy.
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I don't see why it shouldn't be. We're all Spartacus.
I'm Spartacus
I'm Sparcatus too!
I'm the real "Sparcatus"
No, I am Spartacus. Just me.
Spartacus perhaps.
But you are not Sparcatus
Won’t the real Spartacus please stand up. Please stand up.
I keep telling all of you. I'm not Spartacus. I'm Sparcatus. Can you spell?
hi everyone is this the spartacus society meetup?
yo soy sparticusio
Watashi mo Spartacus desu.
Iya, ore da.
I resemble Kirk Douglas.
No, just me.
How many lives did Luigi save in the weeks afterwards when the health insurance companies took notice?
You could argue that on balance, he was actually saving lives. Just like soldiers do in war. Just like police do in the street.
We also don't know that it was Luigi. It was someone for sure, but Luigi could easily have been framed. Circumstances were a bit too perfect and the chain of custody of the evidence was all messed up IIRC
Not saying it was definitely someone else, but I reckon there's reasonable doubt.
Luigi and I were playing Mario Kart at the time.
Also the 11‑Minute Bodycam Gap.
"The “gap” refers to an approximately 11-minute period during Luigi Mangione’s December 2024 arrest in Altoona when Officer Christy Wasser’s body camera was turned off while police transported him and/or evidence from the McDonald’s to the police station."
https://www.crbcnews.com/articles/693cd8e8d9a90023d32e158f
11 minutes sounds like exactly how much time it would take to plant fake evidence.
But what if his heart just kinda did that. Like JFK's head.
Okey, but why would they choose to frame somebody that hot?!
Woah woah woah, use whatever justification you like, but you really shouldn't put criminals and murderers on the same level as actual heroes like Luigi Mangione.
Yeah you got me there. I was speaking from a legal and moral theory perspective. It makes me cringe thinking I described police in the positive. But hey, theoretically they're supposed to stop the bad guys right? Not be their enablers lol
So are you saying he's guilty? Luigi says he didn't do it.
Oh no, he's innocent. But he's still a hero for being a scapegoat and enduring the false charges. I still regard him as a hero even though none of it was his choice and he was just some guy trying to grab some McDonald's.
as much as I hate to say this, not all cops are bastards, this has been over generalizarion since the beginning and I can see that is unfortanely suprisngly close to accurate but not completely true
https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759
I've never come across this article. Unpleasant read, but a required and damn good one.
How many times have you watched a cop stop another cop? ... A few, perhaps. That's an OK cop.
Now, have you ever seen a cop stop and arrest another cop? Perhaps not. But if you have, maybe that's a good cop. Maybe. Because how many times did they turn away, pretend not to see it? We will never know.
In both cases the cop stopping another cop is going to be harassed by the force into quitting within 3 months. That's why ACAB: any that aren't get pushed out.
Its your opinion , why would you hate to say it ? own it, it's yours.
I see the full meaning of ACAB as: if you participate in a system widely regarded as championing bastard-like behaviour then you yourself are a bastard by proxy and/or association.
Some cops actively try to change the pervasive bastardishness, they are not cops for very long , the latest example.
Some cops are there because they need to feed their kids(or themselves), still bastards, but with a relatable reason (perhaps even approaching a viable excuse) as to why they continue to make that choice.
if your argument is that at any point in time, there is the possibility of a non-bastard cop existing because they haven't been murdered, exiled, scapegoated, indoctrinated. converted or quit yet....then yes that is technically correct.
This, like everything else, is subjective.
If you are rich and/or powerful enough to be considered inside the demographic the police were designed to actually protect (as opposed to control) then i'm sure it's a much less bastardlike experience.
It's not about the individuals and it never was. Officer friendly is still part of the carceral system that protects the rich from the poor but not the other way around.
Cops are human, they are trying to do the right thing, (mostly, even the actual bastards are mostly trying to do right by their community, everyone is the hero of their own story)
MCAB?
Reading your comment be like
I was with you until this part
I don't think they're boot licking, I just think they're showing this is an argument that boot lickers make about cops. They're saying you can make the same argument here for Luigi, showing that the back-the-blue types make that argument hypocritically.
How crazy would it be if he actually didn't do it??
He couldn't have done it, he was at my house playing halo 3 and drinking game fuel
I remember that. Frankly, he was a mid Halo player. He was definitely present and not murdering anyone, though.
(*) he was definitely not executing someone in a justified act of self defence.
Ftfy.
I can confirm I was the game fuel
I drank you all night long in 2007 when Halo 3 launched. I just barely turned 18. How does that make you feel?
Hmm
I saw him there too. His back was sore from your old couch.
i have never bought into the story that he did it.
50/50 in my mind.
Like yes police incompetence should be expected, but they broke every rule arresting him, searching his bag, etc etc. Evidence being inadmissible aside, the police did a great job of substantiating our suspicions that Luigi was framed.
On the other hand, this doesn't sound like someone who didn't do it. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R7R6dmYOVfc
Like maybe he's alluding to the framing being an insult to the american people. But me personally if I was being framed by the government and desperately trying to get help, I would say it more plainly.
Doesn’t take too much incorrect procedure for a case like this to fall apart
Regardless of guilt
As it should.
The police cornering someone in a McDonalds and "finding" evidence behind a wall of officers with zero transparency is exactly why courts shouldn't admit such evidence.
Maybe if police didn't have a documented history and widely known legacy of false imprisonment, planting evidence, and down right corruption...
Depends how corrupt the system has become. That's why the defense wants as much broadcasting as possible; Sunlight is one hell of a disinfectant.
If he did, literally all the evidence was faked in a parallel construction so obvious it makes me doubt these people could have managed any other in history. It makes me question whether drug dogs might even be a real thing
drug dogs are not actually accurate at finding drugs, they sound off when their handler indicates. do with that what you will.
Fun fact, if you're white, you can easily smuggle things by just not watching the search.
The cop is watching you to know when to signal the dog to alert.
They either watch you to know when to signal, in the cases where it actually "works" (which, as fucked up as it is, reading your body language is "working" for some definition of working), or they're just using it as an excuse to search/harass you, in which case they just signal when they want to.
And this frame up/parallel construction was so inept it makes me believe for a split second they are not adequately competenr manage to send those signals.
Can you back this up or is it just a trust me bro?
https://www.bjjohnsonlaw.com/probable-cause-or-probable-fiction-the-legal-myth-of-the-drug-sniffing-dog
This doesn't prove dogs can't detect odors. At best it implies bias in officers which is not really what you suggested. It's also a lone study.
I work adjacent to this field so these kinds of claims coming from someone who clearly doesn't makes it sound like you don't really know what you are talking about.
Look man, I was just linking you to a study when you asked for sources. There’s no need for hostility here. Also, there are more studies discussed in the article if you actually click on the link.
same here. I still believe that the real guy got the fuck out so fast they has to find the closest look alike to use as a scapegoat in order to prove the cops aren't incompetent
that is exactly what i believe.
The Adjuster is still out there, folks!!
Not crazy at all, cause he didn’t do it.
i saw him hanging out in disney with bunch of other people,.
He didn't do it he was with me December 4 in California
I still find it very suspicious that they claim he killed a man then went to McDonald's and ordered a meal and that's how they caught him?
What is the charge? Eating a meal?
A suculent Happy Meal?
Oh, that's a nice headlock sir, oh, ah yes, I see that you know your judo well.
A succulent McDonald's meal?
Was it a succulent meal?
He couldn't possibly have done it. He and I were playing mini-golf high as fuck.
There are a lot of jokes and etc... But I really think he didnt do it and they are framing him because he looks close enough.
Highly unlikely, given how they ran him down when he was carrying a second model of the ghost gun from the crime scene.
Impressive he made it as far as he did. Amazing he didn't make it father. Just going on a nature walk for a few days probably would have done it.
He printed the gun himself and was caught carrying a bag with the weapon and writings about the actions he took. No fuckin chance.
Innocent. 100%
Police broke chain of custody on pretty much his entire kit. If it isn't submittable as evidence, the DA is going to have a hellish time putting him at the scene of the crime.
Oh okay sure pal, I guess since the files were on his home computer means he just sold the gun to the local police two states away who then committed the crime, tricked him into traveling there, and then framed him. /sarcasm
EDIT: BTW a judge ruled the evidence can still be shown to the jury.
The thing about ghost guns is that anyone can print them.
Past that, they can probably get him on some kind of conspiracy to print a dearly weapon charge with the computer files. But that's a long way from putting him at the scene of the crime with the murder weapon on the day in question.
It's not even a question of if he did it. It's the problem of bringing the evidence they have in front of a jury without it getting tossed by the judge first.
He left the suppressor on the scene, we're way past the stage of trying to tie the weapon to the crime.
Do the prosecutors have anything to tie him to it? Or did they just find a suppressor and assert it was his because he's the guy they caught?
If the plastic and infill used to print the suppressor doesn't match the other printed part still with the gun then I'm sure that will come up in court.
These are all evidence brought to you by the state. It would absolutely not be the first time the entire thing was made up.
I would love to see him get acquitted...then walk out of the courtroom and straight up admit that he did it, to all the media waiting for a statement.
Double jeopardy, bitch!
Double jeopardy doesn't prevent him from being liable for civil damages. The family could sue and ruin his life still.
Don't forget how the OJ trial went.
I’d argue a lot of that life ruining stuff was his own doing and not him losing in civil court haha.
Did he ever actually pay?
He delayed using various tactics, but ultimately his estate did pay.
I only saw him dispose of a parasite, no human was harmed.
I mostly remember the billionaire reactions about it.
Musk, Don Jr and others. At first my impression is, why they are so vocal about it, it is unrelated to them, then I realized that they see themselves as a different class (not plebs like us) and in their eyes this was a class war and somebody from the plebs killed someone in the Epstein class scared them shitless.
I'm surprised this is the first time it's happened in recent memory.
They'd given us enough bread and circuses to prevent it. What surprises me is that there weren't any copycats - perhaps they were foiled by increased security or just not reported on.
Musk for a while started wearing his son like a helmet.
That's not how Double Jeopardy works. You'd be introducing new evidence which could be used to appeal and retry the case.
Mangione is also open to both federal and state charges. So he's going to go from one courtroom directly into another.
The second point is correct but the first is completely wrong.
Only convictions can be appealed in criminal cases, nor acquittals.
That is exactly how double jeopardy works. New evidence is not grounds to appeal an acquittal.
The dual sovereignty doctrine between state and federal charges is a loophole around double jeopardy though.
Triple jeopardy. He's got two murder trials to get through.
There are other bad consequences that could strike if he did that. Better to STFU.
Appreciate this post but can we generally share links to articles instead of just screenshots.
This. 100% this.
His lawyers and he know exactly what kind of sham trial the prosecution is planning on behalf of their corporate oligarchs. Making it completely transparent is the only chance they have.
I've heard that the revolution will not be televised.
It'll be streamed exclusively on Peacock.
I'll wait till it's available on TPB.
If YoU aReNt DoInG aNyThInG wRoNg ThEn YoU hAvE nOtHiNg To HiDe!
They broadcast the OJ Trial, they should broadcast Luigi's trial.
The prosecution is scared shitless that the concept of Jury Nullification will become mainstream, and if the Cirizens realize they can just release anyone they want to, then MAGA won't be able to win their bullshit cases.
Let's be honest, you'll never get a jury that at least 1 person doesn't vote guilty, so it would be a hung jury. Thus he would spend life in prison blowing through all his families money continuously going back to court getting tried for murder over and over. He'd die in prison and his family would give up on him eventually because face it... The system already beat him.
In practice that's now how hung juries work, even for high-profile cases. No DA wants to have the shame of repeatedly trying the same trial, even if double jeopardy doesn't apply. At some point it looks to the voters that you're just wasting taxpayer resources.
Instead what tends to happen is that the charges get less severe with each trial, and that the defendant gets a better plea offer each time. For example, maybe Mangione gets a hung jury for the capital murder trial. In the next trial they charge him in a way the death penalty isn't on the table. If first degree murder fails, the next trial they charge him with second degree murder. It becomes easier to get a conviction with each trial, as jurors are less likely to practice jury nullification as the stakes of the trial decrease.
Eventually the defendant just accepts a plea deal. Every trial is still a roll of the dice for the defendant. If he kept getting hung juries, maybe eventually Mangione accepts a plea deal for manslaughter.
No one wants to do infinite trials. The prosecutor doesn't want to seem weak or a waster of taxpayer resources. The defendant doesn't want to keep rolling the dice with their life. With each passing trial, the charges decrease. With each trial, conviction becomes easier. Eventually the defendant just accepts a plea deal to eliminate the possibility of spending the rest of their life in prison.
The prosecutor won't care if it wastes tax dollars or about the image of the case having been hung. Trump will publicly smear the jury members on live television that dont vote guilty. Fox will call them all leftist terrorists who are a threat to our country.
You need to apply more critical thinking and consider the actual motivations prosecutors are under. It does no good to just model your adversaries as infinitely powerful demons and assume they have the will and capacity to do all the evil all the time. It makes you incapable of rational thought.
There are very real downsides to a prosecutor bringing a case again and again. Downsides that actually hurt their goals.
You can assume the prosecutor is evil if you want. But that doesn't mean you can pretend that the prosecutors still aren't mortal human beings with the same worldly pressures as anyone else. And despite Trump's verbal diarrhea, federal prosecutors have had to abandon countless cases due to lack of evidence, Trump's tantrums be damned.
Even if you assume the prosecutor is willing to do anything to get the maximum conviction possible, they still will not endlessly try defendants. Each trial makes a conviction more unlikely. Which is why charges get watered down and plea offers get more generous.
This DOJ does not give a shit about optics, they control the optics. They will just do infinite trials.
They don't care about optics? Really? The same guys who lie whenever an ICE shooting happens to immediately portray the victim as a criminal? The same guys who changed the names to the Department of War and the Gulf of America? The same guys that launch political prosecutions they know will never succeed (like the reflecting pool cases), just to sooth Trump's ego?
These clowns are void of substance. They're nothing but optics.
Rofl wow sweet summer child prosecutors put all kind of innocent people in jail. Please think before you speak. Wasting tax money is the norm.
https://thelegalguide.org/how-often-can-hung-jury-lead-retrial/
I'm just describing how hung juries work and the pressures involved on both prosecution and defendant. Maybe you should think before you speak. And start by not being a pompous ass.
You still never addressed my comment about prosecutors. Please educate yourself.
Can't be tried for a crime more than once. Otherwise oj would be in prison.
In this case, there was no trial, the prosecutor dropped the case, and cited the true reason for the damage, which is the perfect defense if there was a retrial.
This is just Trump having a tantrum like the spoiled nine year old he is.
A hung jury doesnt count as being tried, it's declared moot and they just try you again with another jury. Aka if 1 person in jury believes he did kill the guy like I said in my post. Prison forever.
They should start using the surveillance arguments here. "If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide."
I want to hear the Prosecutors arguments against that.
No no no! That applies to you! For me it is air gapping and ironclad encryption! For you it is literally a doxx in every boxx (whatever that means).
Put a flock camera in the courtroom
Did the McDonalds Judas ever get their blood money?
How do you reward a facial recognition system?
by giving palantir billions
by buying peter thiel a south american retreat just like every other nazi in the past has enjoyed
I'm wondering if that is all fluff. Or phones constantly report to Google/Apple Wi-Fi and Bluetooth MACs.
They could just scan what devices operate on that location and have Google/Apple report which users were near them at given time.
Apple devices rotate WiFi and Bluetooth MAC addresses for security, I assume Android devices do the same.
I'm taking about them reporting what's around. Having that kind of information you can easily track who visited specific location at specific time.
What value would there be in reporting what’s around if what’s around is all disposable, ephemeral, rotating addresses?
They do
Nope. And it was likely not a McDonalds employee but an algorithm that pinned him, they just don't want people to know that.
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial
Weird, you're acting as if the law system in the USA has been demonstrating predictable, reasonable and lawful actions this last year or so...
Yes absolutely!
Need that pic of Mr. Mangione surrounded by cops
the clown eric adams is right behind, so he can get some brownie points from trump. im guessing it dint work out thats why he got a passport from the albanian king.
That Superman scene was meant to be an over the top show of force denoting how scared they were of him.
Luigi's perp walk makes it look positively reserved.
I understand the prosecution on this one. Luigi is way too hot for television
Think of the economic damage alone, the lost productivity alone...
of course, how else would be able to tell the court he was with various people during the shooting and is being FRAMED.
the court also doesnt want to admit they likely use AI/palantir to identify and locate him, and they "mysterious TIPSTER" at mcdonalds likely dint exist.
450 upvotes and not a single down vote. Never seen that before lol
The upvotes will continue indefinitely.
Look where you are LOL
The post is big enough to be on the "all"-feed
There's a single downvote now, 1k upvotes
1.1k to 3 ratio now... Not bad.
We know FiniteBanjo was one of the down votes. I wonder who the other two boot lickers are.
https://people.com/luigi-mangione-wants-murder-trial-broadcast-live-12034912
Article link
He's innocent
Actually innocent. Even if he did it. Especially if he did it.
Of course not. It's much harder to railroad an innocent person under public scrutiny.
I thought we had "innocent until proven guilty"?
had
You mean, in the country that randomly throws brown people into camps without trial? That's... optimistic.
If you saw someone murder a healthcare CEO, no you didn't.
you say it was someone else.
'cause it's going to be a kangaroo court
I hope the trial is on Opposite Day.
He tried to eat my ass for a bag of coffee!
cant game the judge with all eyes on the show
OJ got this. And I bet Luigi won't try to publish a stupid book called, "If I Did It." Not that the judge will let him get anything that helps, probably.
Back then, I worked for the music division of the company that published that book, and they had our department pitch the audio book to record stores.
Literally EVERY single retail buyer said "Fuck NO," and I didn't push back at all. I didn't sell one copy in my region, and when HQ tried to harass me for not pushing it, I told them that I asked, and was told No. I did my job, now fuck off.
Is anything ever gonna happen with this??!!
Just an execution.
If they fumble the prosecution, I would not be shocked if he Epsteined himself.
How does one "epstein yourself"?
Epstein didn't kill himself.
I think that's the whole point. They'd have him suicided.
As long as they kill someone for it. Who cares if they're guilty?
I'm still sitting here wondering why this real pretty young Mediterranean looking man is being charged when the CCTV footage showed a big bulky anglo guy in his 40s as the shooter..
I made the same point on Reddit years ago and got downvoted hard.
He should have had (allegedly) beaten his wife, then get it turned it into a culture war issue.
Trial by combat maybe?
He'd lose, mario still out there
Don't the transcripts get published?
Yes, maybe, it depends on what parts and what timing. You might wait years to get access to some pieces... We need transparency now because immediate public pressure makes shady prosecutors and judges think twice before doing more shady shit.
(The prosecution will still do shady shit, but if it's live, they're risking their careers with each additional action, so they tend to be a little less dishonest. As we saw in Karen Read.)
I am skeptical of that claim since lawyers of the defense can appeal and Luigi can make a motion for mistrial
You need someone to request, pay for, and publish them; which will absolutely happen in this case.
The problem is that approximately no one reads transcripts, and they would not even be ready until well after the news cycle moves on.
Where is why?
Have u not read clickbait headlines before?
I think the article is missing, is it not?
Can I have the QRD on how this guy isnt just a murderer?
He was a despicable piece of trash who denied healthcare to thousands of ordinary folks, causing untold suffering, family bankruptcy and suicides. All just so he and his shareholders could squeeze a little more money out of everyone. But unfortunately that doesn't count as murder.
Oh, you didn't mean Brian Thompson? Either way, Luigi did nothing wrong.
I always refer to the healthcare CEO (he doesn't have a name, Luigi does) as a Corporate Serial Killer, which is exactly what he was.
Because the state hasn't proven he is. The evidence we've seen so far seems pretty flimsy to me. Luigi's defense team filed a complaint that showed extremely poor chain of custody of evidence, suggesting that certain evidence isn't valid or might be a setup. The cops have been real weird about it, using the high profile of the case to self promote and make a spectacle of things in the media. I think there are reasons - aside from the presumption of innocence until guilt is proven - to think this guy isn't just a murderer.
Presumption of innocence?
Imo he's absolutely a murderer. I just happen to support his choice of victim and motivations. I kinda feel that in some circumstances murder is beneficial to society, and this is one very rare example of that. I hope they let him out and he does it again.
I hope they let him out and 50 people also do it.
Haven't I had to listen to enough about this useless fucker already?
Apparently not cuz instead of blocking c/luigimangione you chose to click on this post and make 3 separate comments.
The more disruptive I am to the luigi cultists the less likely they are to propagate.
You're confusing people who hate capitalism with people who love celebrities. No one really gives a shit about Luigi Mangione as a person, but even if they did, driving engagement to communities that discuss the topic is not the way I'd go about "disrupting" it.
You're confusing me with somebody willing to read your slop comments
Nah you confused yourself there 🤣
I hope you have something to gain by being this obtuse,
Nobody is forcing you to hang out in this board lil bro
He worked on Civ 7, probably less useless than you
The series peaked at 5, I'm only just now hearing there even was a 7.
EDIT: Reminder that Luigi is the heir to the Mangione fortune and has two degrees including from an Ivy League university. If the big "gotcha" is that he was listed in the credits of a videogame that really proves my point.
By definition, you can't possibly 100% know where a game series peaked if you haven't played all of the games in it.
Bro didn't even know civ7 existed and in the same breath confidently called it bad. This is how stupid someone has to be to hate on Luigi.
I knew that civ7 existed because on December 4th 2024 around 6:45am Luigi was at my house and was showing me how excited he was about some of the features he was adding to it. Really great guy.
Son, that's a microphone, not a mirror.
It's a big fediverse bud, go browse a community that doesn't have "luigimangione" in the name.