Tesseract Dev (AdmiralPatrick) RageQuits Lemmy with Final Goodbye Message (and hid a DDOS script on his page)
Bye
You crazies won and proved me wrong. The fediverse isn't worth saving after all.
Over the course of the last several days, I have received a constant stream of harassing messages, death threats, and threats of doxxing over DM, Matrix, Github, and Codeberg. All of it instigated and eggged on by another instance's top admin. This is unacceptable for all of the reasons in the world, and while I won't give you the personal satisfaction of having won, you've definitely proven me wrong about the fediverse being something that even can be saved from itself.
Even people around here I'd interacted with positively for years and had grown to respect because they seemed level headed and above the immature and sociopathic bullshit that dominates this platform showed their true selves. That completely shattered any and all illusions I had that this place has a hidden core of users that I should try to make more visible amongst all the rage, rage baiting, propaganda, harassment, rumor mongering, trolls, conspiracies, purity testing, and violent rhetoric.
Like many of the rational people before me who called this place home, I'm done with this place.
I tried to carve out a space where those people and other rougher edges were not drowning out niche communities and hobbies and where people who choose to use the platform to harass others were also out of sight, out of mind. Apparently only three people who aren't me actually want a place that's not just a circle-jerk of rage and hate. Thus sayeth the mob.
Then you have entire instances whose admins call for the death of others, harass other users, and lead harassment, brigading, and DARVO campaigns against those who dare call out their bullshit or decide to disassociate themselves and their work from them.
Lemmy.World was so close to doing the right thing after instance-that-will-not-be named's admins were calling for the death of LW's admins while spreading rumours and labeling others in such a way that painted them as targets for murder. All of that, mind you, with absoultey no evidence other than specuation and their own cooked-up conspiracies about modlog actions or taking and twisting things wildly out of context to fit their made-up narratives so they had someone to say they 'caught' and should be killed.
.world was on the precipice of doing the right thing and disaccociating themselves from that psychotic shit show, but silently dropped the issue and carried on as usual after wringing their hands for maybe two weeks.
"We have to worry about the optics or the politics of it." they probably said.
Bullshit.
I'm one person and have held my fucking ground, mostly with dignity and grace, in the heat of my own shitstorm of trying to disaccociate from the extremist elements of the fediverse. If I can stand up for what's right and deal with the blowback, so can you.
Fuck lemmy world's admin team for condoning that behavior and letting the human skidmark db0 DARVO his way out of the situation while brigading with his army of malcontents whom he wields like a cult leader. He knows exactly what he is doing, and you all continue to allow him to get away with it.
Nah, fuck this whole place. I've let too many things fall by the wayside IRL because of dealing with all this fediverse bullshit and trying to give it the slightest bit of polish both visually and atmospherically. Mythbusters may have proven that you can, in fact, polish a turd, but at the end of the day, it's still a shiny ball of shit.
For the few people left who didn't turn out to be psychotic, I'll think of you from time to time when recalling something you've posted or commented that genuinely made me laugh, made me think, or otherwise put a smile on my face or in my heart.
Everyone else, though, enjoy your toxic, xenophobic, knee-jerk-to-violence, purity-testing, and harassing-anyone-who-doesn't-fall-in-line cess pit. One day you, too, will do or say something that doesn't toe the line and you'll be right where I am.
P.S. Rimu, you owe me a beer. No one is talking about the Piefed vote quotas anymore, so you're welcome.
EDIT: forgot to add:
EDIT2:
Removed the link to the original message because the douche included a Javascript on the page to DDOS Dbzero0
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Also:
Cool story.
Is this the stupid bitch who decided to try to shadow censor other people's experience? That's some insane projection. Bonus points for including the DDOS just to leave no doubts.
I believe this is what is called a self-correcting system. It's the immune system. A cancer was attempting to prevent resources from reaching their intended cells and the immune system kicked in and exposed the cancer to the best disinfectant. Sunlight.
Expose all the bigots friends. They're scared of actual free speech and people's rights and freedoms because that breaks their ability to oppress and subjugate others.
And oh yeah, I was on the list. Probably for stuff like the above I just said lol.
Holy shit this crashout keeps getting funnier and funnier. "I have held my ground with dignity and grace" says the man imposing hidden block lists on users of his frontend; having a very public bitch-fit about the backlash for this; and, now, DDoSing another instance with more hidden code. Truly the pinnacle of dignity and grace.
Given this is his second time ragequitting the fediverse, what's the over/under on him crawling back, y'reckon? I give it more than a month, less than six.
And with that, my hopes of ever making the list are gone.
Yeah, secret undisclosed baked in unexplained banlists. What a "dignified and graceful" way to stand up for something, definitely not underhanded, sneaky and authoritarian.
You heard it here first folks, atmospheric polish, that's all he tried to do for us!
Wtf is this about?!
Someone get this guy a tampon and some crayons.
So, "I've tried to build me a sandcastle out of other people's thoughts, emotions and actions and failed miserably"
True, who could ever forsee how that would go, except any sane person
That's actually really sad. Not because I agree with him, but because it's always sad to see this sort of falling down. Like imagine, a parallel timeline where this person's parents hadn't abused them, and they hadn't had been bullied or whatever, or had faced repercussions for poor behavior, or had gotten the help they needed years ago. Right? Like if something hadn't gone wrong, they wouldn't have ended up like this.
Knowing that all the magas, Nazis, real tankies (the ones that REALLY want to just slaughter anybody that disagrees, iron fist style), all the bullies and buttholes out there, and all the other messed up of us, who fall down into evil or extreme burnout... Knowing this happens at all, is still sad, to me.
I'm American and think you know who needs to be you know what'ed. But even then, knowing that he grew up in such a disgusting environment, ruining him, not ever really allowing his upper brain functions to fully come to, and the past-but-then-future path for him that was inevitable of bad behavior and responses from society that would drive him to be exactly like this..... Knowing that shit happens to humans, in our species, theoretically within our control, is sad. And seeing obvious predictions and fears come to pass in real-time is never fun.
With the admiral patrick guy, it's pathetic and gross and shitty and honestly good riddance, but still the human part of me is like, that confusion and frustration he's obviously avoiding and coping with ego and trying to fill the sadness with "you are all sociopaths harassing me and at least I tried to stand my ground"... Like he obviously doesn't quite understand, and honestly, truly, neither do we. He stood up for his shitty moderate centrist beliefs for some real goal, behaved like an outcast petulant child, and handled it relatively poorly. But like, I see this shit all the time from all SORTS of people, in all sorts of capacities, public or not.
I won't miss him. I don't use an html lemmy interface. I luckily don't have to run an instance (thank you, Ada). But it would be inhuman of me to absolutely, irresponsibly condemn this dude to shitty-hell for trying to do something that his twisted mind probably thought was right. Will he change? Probably not. Will he get worse? Probably. Will he directly hurt somebody? I hope not. Will he likely fall in with a worse crowd? Happens ALL the time.
So I beg of everybody here, to stop, and consider what went wrong for this guy. Put yourself in his shoes, I know that's too big an ask for most people - but that's kind of my point, and the problem here. He fucked up, he based it on fucking up, and somewhat kept fucking up even after he left (a ddos script? Really?). But pain only begets more pain. Really try to figure out what went wrong, what the points in time were where he REALLY could have been recovered by any of us or somebody in real life. You aren't going to get the right answer. A lot of us are going to get the wrong answer. But just try to incorporate empathy into your life going forwards, because there's a lot of bullshit and horror and hate and pain happening in the world today, and we are all trying to do what we think is best and most efficient to do the right thing. And we need to, at least, learn from this event and be better.
The ramblings of an unhinged lunatic. Bye, will not be missed
yeah i ain’t reading all that
He’s already shown us what a lying sack of shit he is, so no one’s going to believe this drivel, so why even write it?
Ultimate power trippin mod to build your banlist straight into the client and put all kinds of folks on there who aren't breaking any rules but expressing an opinion you don't like...
No self reflection at all
Somebody got to do a vid on this drama. I am so confused. He tryin to DDOS somebody... calling us antisocial? What a turd. Punk ass trick. To be honest I think lemmy and the fedi is way cleaner than reddit. Such a baby. When I act naughty I get repremanded and dealt with. I don't know what he is talking about. He a trojan horse and douche. Bye felica... we like liberty around these parts 🤠
He's so angry about being found out, the person who blew the whistle is the bad guy.
Enron probably had the same mentality.
wELP.
I hope you're proud of yourselves, fedi.
Ya went n ran off the Messiah.
Now we are kerfucked to the 9th Circle of Hell!
Dumbutz.
Tesseract Dev :
What a loser
The fediverse shouldn't need A savior. It should be its own thing that no one person can control or stop.
Maybe this... Maybe this is the fediverse healing? 🥹
Who does this dork think he is? Lemmy-Jesus?
Cry me a river. Try an ML account.
Hope the door hits you on the way out!
I wonder how long he'll be gone this time.
Dubvee admin is the guy that wrote a crying goodbye post over a ago saying the fediverse is a failure because people like the luigi guy, then some time ago he came back like nothing happened.
https://lemmy.zip/post/43721937
So he's a fascist who hates trans people and yet can't be bothered to leave. What's with liberals trying to colonize this place?
Oh... dear dear dear.
Nobody ... directed harrasment against this whiney and censorious adult pissbaby.
It was spontaneous.
db0 themself could have specifically messaged me, telling me something like 'please remain civil in this trying time' and i would have replied 'lol' and trolled this fucking idiot on his own boards, that he remembered to only secretly shadowban me from, but not actually ban me from... anyway.
... is Admiral Patrick Star familiar with the phrase 'become ungovernable'?
Your idiot rules have no power over me, in this place.
I obey only rules I find reasonable.
... Also, how is a total retreat and defeat... not... giving us all the personal satisfaction of having won?
That... makes 0 sense.
He also admits this has taken away considerable attention from his IRL responsibilities.
Actual flawless victory, lemmy, truly: bravo.
Did....does he realize that he could have just made his own instance, and just not federated with the instances he doesn't like?
I... how... did he read the documentation... on lemmy? Does he know how lemmy works?
I will never comprehend the sheer arrogance.
Just incredible.
Can't even keep his sociopathic billionaire-esque monologue straight.
*egged
Was this written by a fucking toddler?
My dude, you bitching and having a public crash out is giving exactly that. We knew you lacked any and all self awareness, but gawd datum.
Hey dipshit.
The entire appeal of the fediverse is a realm of the internet free from corporate autocracy, government censorship, and the massive wave of anti free speech that has hit the internet like never before. You tried to use software various communities relied on to censor speech you didn't personally approve of.
Maybe you should have actually paid--the fuck--attention to what you were developing for. This is just an insane self own.
I don't know who the non-psychotic person is he'll think about from time to time, but I have to assume it's Violet 😉😛
I'm willing to bet good money this narcissistic dipshit is still lurking on here and is gonna be perpetually hate following the community.
Say what you will about SeamanPatrick, but there's no denying it made Lemmy far more active. The influx of memes and posts is exactly the kind of engagement the platform needs. Also, I'm a little disappointed I didn't make the list. 😄
Everyone knows a cornerstone principle of the Fediverse was that there should be secret ban lists baked into the website's frontend that aligns to a single maintainer's ideology.
The Dubvee site is being used for crime. AdmiralPatrick has included JavaScript at the end of the page to send 1,000 requests per visit to dbzer0 to attempt to DDOS them.
This is illegal and extremist behaviour.
So I've followed a little bit of this but one thing I don't get is why does he hate dbzer0 so badly?
Did I miss some lore?
“Held his ground” on being a fucking clown
If everybody else is crazy but you, it's time to take a look in the mirror.
The god complex is unreal.
Don't you see? He could've saved us, now we're all doooooooooomed! (for some reason)
/s
As they say: if everywhere you go smells like shit; check your shoe.
The reverse doesn’t need “saving”, it’s not going anywhere. Yeah, he sounds like the exact type of person that ruined Reddit.
Admiral Patrick:
"All the
whoreslemmings andpoliticiansother lemmings will look up and shout 'Save us!' 'Please go away'... and I'll whisper 'noOk.'"But it’s hard to disagree
Actually, it's super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Keeping the fediverse open and free of shady hidden ban lists is tight!
Oh, really?
I find it unbelievable that he claimed to have handled himself with dignity and grace. It’s as if he’s incapable of acknowledging or addressing his wrongdoing. This behavior is almost sociopathic.
They're all like this. It's one of the few things they all have in common. Unreal sense of entitlement.
It IS sociopathic. It reads just like a disgruntled CEO trying to save face after their product killed thousands of people.
"But, but my intentions were pure! I'm the main character! You're all too stupid and now the world is sending me death threats because I'm too far ahead of everyone with my super smart boi brain and non-political-ness. Wah wah stop hurting my fee fees, I was right, I did nothing wrong doing this all in secret."
Apparently handling himself with dignity and grace includes running a hidden script on his page so that visitors are unwittingly used to DDOS others.
Truly, this man has learned nothing from this experience.
Especially if you look at his days long crash out on one of his alts, @[email protected]
"Dignity and grace" apparently also meant going around defending his actions in the third person and insulting other people en masse using one of his alternate accounts.
Oh, what's his alt? I blocked his main, be nice to block that one as well (contrary to his beliefs about the majority of us on the fediverse, I am not so lazy I can't curate my own block list). You can DM it to me if you like.
Pretty sure I got into it with him on an alt before a mod on You Should Know deleted everything. Weird as hell. Genuinely reminded of those crazy people who go between mumbling and screaming while walking down a city street. Seriously needs to be checked for schizophrenia.
And like... So obvious, too.
Like nearly Dean "I'm a gay black guy" Browning levels of bad.
They're like fucking Scott Adams when he made a sockpuppet account on metafilter to glaze himself.
🥹 👉 👈
Not 'almost'.
Just actually.
This a person who is a control freak facsist in their personal life, cannot handle other people doing things that they didn't vet first.
Dignity and Grace are strippers. It’s actually a confession.
🥹 👉 👈
Normal people: I'll just subscribe to stuff I want to see
This guy: I'll build my own frontend and shadowban everything I hate - down to individual users I had even just one slightly unpleasant interaction with - for all its users 😡
Wth man. The thing instantly became a meme. Say 'whoopsy haha', make the banlist optional or remove it and tomorrow nobody gives a shit anymore...
I don't get people DMing the dev either tho. Especially stuff like death threats (if that is even true) because of random BS like this. It is one frontend for Lemmy. Surely one can do without it.
Narrator: he didnt
If he was upfront with adding a block list, like a little message that pops up, and giving the user the option to opt out, then this would've been a non-issue. I can see some people wanting a curated block list to not have politic, rage subs, etc., but doing it in a hidden way will always leave a bad taste in my mouth.
does that mean we ALL made his ban list?
The sheer ego and audacity of this bitch. Good riddance.
that fucking edit is buckwild. Has someone let db0 know to block the domain?
Lol imagine being such an egotistical prick that you write an entire multipage manifesto just to rage quit a tiny social network. No one gives a shit about your position on the matter, Patrick. It certainly lacks the depth or complexity required to necessitate that many words.
As a former administrator of a top 100 sub, I've seen the absolute unhinged mod power tripping. My a large margin, mods were at least an equal threat to a community as the bad actors in the community.
For this reason, I've been a major proponent of a model where groups of users can generate and curate thier OWN collaboratively maintained ban lists, and users can with full visibility OPT IN to different filters.
As well, I think being able to "opt in" to users to see mod removed comments, or "opt out" of a mods comment removals would be cool. I think removed comments remain in the modlog and could be re-injected into what users see given appropriate "opt in" configuration.
Having a decentralized mechanism to manage and opt in to such lists would provide a way to combat power tripping at a grassroots level, as well as allowing broad filtering to let people choose thier experience.
This is all entirely predicated on it being:
A) with full auditable transparency
B) a clear opt-in mechanic
Hard disagreements between curators can easily be handled by forking the lists.
Long story short, I really like the idea of managed content suppression (and ideally un-supression) lists curated by regular users available in an opt-in manner because they act as a counterbalance mechanic to the outsized power that mods hold an INEVITABLY abuse.
But it's so fucking far from ethical to try and just sneak one in. I genuinely can not understand how much contempt for the agency of other human beings one must have to be able to rationalize such a thing.
I read this earlier, some notes:
They're upset that people they thought would agree with this course of action "turned on them." There's clearly zero self reflection or consideration that maybe, just maybe, their actions were out of line and the community response was deserved (minus death threats, but I also don't really know if I believe that's true, because this person is obviously a lying, gaslighting asshat).
This idiot is whining about a self-inflicted wound, literally nobody gave a shit about what they said it's what they did.
Also note that they keep digging deeper into "I have to have the last word so I have to remove any and all ways for people to reply to me. I won, I know I did. They're just all out to get me." Just really pathetic conspiratorial thinking to justify the fact that they did something fucking idiotic and people took them to task for it.
Not one person would give a shit if they bitched about it on Lemmy, but "taking matters into their own hands" (as in the original post said "somebody had to!" because they had to don't you see? what a fucking lummox.) and not being open in an OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY.
EDIT: To really show the God Complex off they really should have ended with God's Final Message to His Creation:
EDIT II: Holy shit guys, the've actively built a way to DDOS dbzer0 into the dubvee page. How can anyone take this fucking walking pile of shit seriously? They have a raging hate boner and they're just lazily jerking it.
Somebody probably told him to kill himself and he decided it was a death threat.
Breaking federal law because you got butt hurt to own the commies online documenting your actions
The real bad guys are the fact checks, go after them FBI!
What's even stupider is there is a clear record of the traffic coming from a site registered to them, and them alone, whose only user is... them. What a fuckin jabroni.
He banned WholesomeYuri by using a shadowban list and infecting other instances with it.
I don't see any harrassment or toxicity from that sub but I sure see it in his actions. I probably would have let this go already if he wasn't such a massive hypocrite.
Exactly. It's Lemmy. I've had unpopular takes, I've had shit takes and hot takes... I take them all in stride. Let the downvotes hit, it's fine.
What I didn't do is go "ohyea you don't agree with me? I'll show you!!" and then try to censor their voices by using whatever power I had.
People with no respect for the agency of others scare the shit out of me, as funny as this idiot is. It scares me to think about how many there are just like him.
and that also feel like "you guys just don't get it, I'm right, so I don't have to think about your agency!"
I feel like down votes/up votes aren't, or weren't, supposed to be the focus here. Heck, on Voyager, I hide the vote numbers. Why are fake Internet points so important to people??
But yeah, dude didn't even consider that maybe it's them that fucked up. Just doubled down and noped out to preserve their ego.
Bingo. I've been banned from a few communities because God forbid I have an opinion that doesn't align with the mods. You think I care? No. Because I control what I can and accept what I can't.
Huh. I say whatever I think I should. Most of the time it's fine, people like it. Sometimes nobody cares. Sometimes people think I'm wrong.
That's just like, life, man.
I rarely read replies to my comments.
The driveby attempt to blame db0 as well but not quite having the balls to name them. Good lord
He did, fifth paragraph from the bottom
ah I missed it amidst all the hysterical shrieks of DARVO
Why is it always projection with these gronks
Fascists must project their insecurities onto others to remain strong in their ego and images.
Im inclined to believe that there were death-threats. I dont agree with what this person did here, but it should be considered that there is a certain segment of the population that has sufficiently poor consideration for others or emotional regulation that they will send death threats to people that make them angry, and, importantly, while this segment may be more or less common in some groups, that tendency in itself does not force a person to hold or not hold a given view (even ideologies or ethical systems that condemn death threats, because plenty of people out there are hypocritical). As such, these people can be expected to exist in any sufficiently large group, to include whatever groups you, I, or anyone else consider to be an "in-group". The tesseract dev got a lot of people mad, so, it would honestly surprise me if they didnt get a few such threats just given the sheer number of chances for one of the angry people to be of the sort to send them. If anything, Id expect a shittier person to be slightly more likely to get them just because people like that tend to do more things that make people mad at them, though this should not be taken as saying that people that get death threats are necessarily shitty people or that they're deserved.
That stuff aside, Ive had mixed feelings about this whole affair. I do agree that the hidden blacklist thing was way out of line, but I find that most of the criticism Ive seen doesnt really give the right reason (in my point of view) for why it was out of line. (Namely, Ive seen a lot of it framed as "this is censorship, its wrong to make software that intentionally does not display posts from specific people/places". I dont think I really like this argument, because I think a lot of the people making it havent really considered the implications of it thoroughly. Its generally considered acceptable for users to block other users for example, for moderators to ban users from a community, and for instances to defederate from other instances if they feel the need, and these things also prevent one seeing the posts of affected users, they just happen at a different layer than tesseract did. It is censorship, yes, but one cant expect to be entitled to the attention of others, theres simply too many people that have things to say, even important things, for it to be otherwise, nobody can possibly pay attention to everyone, nor is it healthy to try, so there must be systems in place that allow one to ignore those one doesnt want to see in favor of those one does.
The problem in my view is one of consent: if tesseract had made it known upfront that using it without disabling some default setting also opted the user into its developer's personal blocklist, then, well, it wouldnt be much different than when people on microblog platforms share blocklists with others, or when people choose an instance based on that instance's federation decisions. I would not personally have wanted to use it, as I have different ideas of what I want to block and not block, but I dont think that in theory it would have been unethical for it to exist in that state. However, while the dev themself seems to have thought that they had done enough to make this feature known, based on one of their responses to the controversy at least, they clearly did not, else the public response to the list's exposure would not have been outrage so much as "well yeah, thats what that program does, dont use it".
Part of this I think is that while moderation decisions are expected of an instance, they dont tend to be expected from alternate UI software, so, what would have qualified as "making it known upfront" would necessarily have to have been been very blatant. As it was, they certainly didnt meet that bar, and it was very plausible for a new user to find tesseract and end up using this guy's list without knowing about it. This isnt something Ive seen come up in the angry response nearly as often as just "he's blacklisted people that I dont think ought to have been, doesnt he know blocking people is bad, what an authoritarian!". Though of course, I havent seen every post about this whole deal so its possible that I simply have missed that criticism and just seen the angry memes.)
While Ill agree that self-reflection in their part would have been the most desirable outcome, I dont think it was ever really a realistic one. I doubt that any but a small fraction of the population would really be capable of anything but defensiveness when they have managed to anger thousands of strangers into yelling at them, its not a situation that humans are really well adapted for or handle well, given that the conditions we arose in would not have allowed for it nearly as easily as those of today do. As such, I think that just leaving in frustration, while not a satisfying resolution or a perfect one, is probably the best ending that could reasonably hoped for here. The other likely outcome would have been doubling down further and keeping the anger going, and by leaving there's at least a chance that they might reflect on what happened once emotions have a chance to die down.
Yeah I think you missed the early discussion, which was all about "if you had just been honest and allowed admins to alter it, no one would have cared."
That fact that it specifically targets the LGBT community is also a huge aspect of why people are rightfully pissed
Its harder to explicitly say, but it also covers a wide swath of the people who were explicitly pointing out the relationship between Bidens ongoing failure to stop the genocide in Palestine and it's relationship with their failing electorally. This was a major and decisive theme in the period of 2024-2025. Both Admiral Patrick and major admins and mods fell on one side, the wrong side, of this issue with regards to using the platform to further their implicit agenda.
Truth bomb. They still blame us instead of Biden.
Taking things into one hands while trying to steer many communities with a heavy fist (blacklisting without admin’s knowledge) seems like very sociopathic behaviour. Hopefully he’s just a kid and will grow out of the childish behaviour what appears to boil down that we need him and he doesn’t need us? I don’t think he deserves death threats but AdmiralPatrivcks behaviour demonstrates reason #3221 why we need decentralization like the fediverse.
There are sociopathic individuals littered throughout society and corpos act socio if not more psychopathic while chasing the almighty dollar. When things happen in the corporate socials, they are driven by a topdown without the users even knowing what’s happening. This event has shown me that Lemmy can and will find those individuals that try to game the system can and will be held accountable. This is good news if you value autonomy and critical thoughts.
He pushed a shadowban list into his code, complained that everyone didn't like it (comments locked,) complained that no one liked his explanation (comments locked,) then ragequit because it's all a big conspiracy against him.
It's sad to see someone who seems to want to do the right thing this bad fall victim to some kind of savior complex where they completely fail to empathize with the people they want to save.
Leaving is the best course of action for him. I hope he has a chance to reflect on all this, since self reflection was clearly not a priority for him.
They didn't leave, they're reading the comments butthurt AF right now.
Seeing how they previously said they were leaving after being unable to sway the Fediverse, probably reading it all right now.
https://lemmy.zip/post/43721937
That reminds me: PugJesus is still skulking around, too, quietly voting.
But he said he would leave! He's never lied before.
Maybe someday he'll go back to doom scrolling Facebook like he said he would. That certainly explains his views a lot.
IDK davey, he banned half the fediverse, maybe the comments he's reading are all supportive since he decided that he's not going to listen to those of us that disagree.
He can't even see this text because he put me in his fancy banlist.
Anyone who appoints themselves as the sole authority of on what is moral and good is a bad person. That is straight up fascist thinking. There's no wanting to do the right thing here. This is one person's ego driving them to think they knew better than everyone else, and that kind of thinking should not be not be given any grace.
I give most people grace.
Keeping myself above water, mentally, is a daily routine. I done some stupid, weird shit for the wrong reasons and have been very close to other people who've done similar and worse. The worst part about mental health problems like ours is the inability to see the whole picture when you're inside it.
Maybe he's an asshole, maybe he's going through shit, maybe both. I know for sure that whatever I believe has absolutely no bearing on this situation and everything to do with my own mindset, so I condemn the actions and choose grace.
This is his second rage quit though
They deserved to be able to explain their idea and correct the worst aspects of it. Instead they censored all criticism and resorted to ad hominem attacks.
At that point they lose all sympathy from me.
I imagine your lack of sympathy will have as much to do with the situation as my views.
I can't say I agree. He did think he knew what was good for everyone but I think it truly was "right" in his mind. It's a bizarre and dishonest thing to do, but I think he thought it was justified. He probably won't self reflect but leaving here will make it more likely.
You're both right. He had good intentions, but good intentions implemented in bad ways can be - and often are - just as harmful as bad intentions. If you want to be beneficial for society, you can't just hope for the best: you need to actively assess whether your actions are helping, and course correct if they aren't. It's a tiresome, often thankless job, but it's required to do actual good.
also you get banned for replying with anything except boot licking to their authoritarian takes
I think everyone "wants to do the right thing", even people committing objectively awful crimes have some rationalisation that makes it "right", however misguided.
I think this is just actual mental illness. The guy needs professional therapy, not an internet account.
Tenet =/= tenant.
oh he violated the lemmy tenants as well
[email protected]
Actually, that bullshit with .world admin was the reason I left .world.
From what I can tell, I'm against anything this fascist twat is for.
Oh honey. We threaten republicans every day. It's like saying 'bless your heart' down South.
(Some loser in a bunker, 1945)
(Some loser in a basement, 2026)
FYI, while all this was happening, we've been having fun in .zip playing the button season 4
But I guess it's too political or whatever.
That thump is the door hitting you on the ass on the way out fascist. Fucking neo-liberals lack introspection.
Ok we’re done here homie’s eating his own turds calling them brownies
We all know it was underhanded to deploy a secret list
Please don't be weird about it
Yeah that's my take on it. It was a very weird thing to do on many levels. Especially doing it with the secret API call. The guy didn't understand the fediverse and wanted to mold it arbitrarily. Even if he had gone about it non-secretly it was very doomed to failure for a lot of reasons, but doing it secretly was making sure it would fail even harder. The whole idea of this platform is that you can block any number of instances/people/communities but trying to secretly do that on other people's behalf was never going to end well.
Having said all that, there is quite a bit of toxicity here that goes unchecked. But his idiotic way of dealing with it was never the right move.
Other instances do this, he's not the only one. There is a github program that you can use. Also, cloudflare (cloudfare?) probably does a bit of that too.
Edit: This one just talks about it: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3202
This one talks about a slur filter in 2020, couldn't that be for any topic they don't want?: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622
Gotosocial and Jabber(XMPP) have blocklists too. Optional ones.
Optional is great. which means people are told that it's there. The downvote brigade is here for a reason though. Red.dit flashbacks.
The brigade from who? Who's bregading you?
How ya doing?
Fine I guess, work is finally slowing down allowing me to check my phone.
Instances choosing to implement their own blocks for their instance is different than a front end developer sneaking a block list in an obscure way that impacts multiple instances.
No it's not. If I have an instance that blocks any mention of lgbtq+, or trump, or biden, or whatever, that wouldn't be cool at all. It would be fine if they told you up front, but not if it's a secret.
Edit: Meaning, that's literally what shadowbanning is or curating the feeds.
You can't see the difference between one instance making a decision for themselves and a dev making a secret decision that affects multiple instances?
So you can't see that shadow banning and curating other's content is bad?
Yeah, what does context matter?
You should feel bad for all the curation you have done as a moderator by removing comments that broke rules since you think it is bad.
What? If you say that we're going to block anyone saying slurs and then show that that's true, cool, do that. If you block people from saying that trump was best friends with epstien and was found guilty in a civil trial of raping Jean Carol, very not fucking cool. So yes, context matters. This is open source, be open about it.
Yah we're getting it from every angle. Oooh where do you get secure DNS?
Ffs don't answer that
our dns doesn't exist, fam
Sorry I need to salivate and expectorate fairly often but yes I an interested
No, one...
pings like Gaston!
-no one digs like Gaston!
No one nmaps or portmaps an address like Gaston!
"I'm especially good at script disabling!"
Is this a hard comparison to ongoing controversy? I'm on a mobile but can come back on a desktop. Although yeah cloudflare, hmmm, never heard of it, but my neighbor is yelling at their dog
lol.
He can't control what everyone else is looking at, none of his trantrums got anyone on his side, so he has to leave instead of admitting any level of culpability for his own actions. I hope he does better things in the future.
The self importance of this guy to think that something needs to be saved from itself, and he's the one to do it. I've only seen this sort of behaviour from religious types.
Blocking and defederation exists, but this guy thinks he knows better than anyone and thinks it's justifiable to lie about it.
Anyway; closing comments:
Nothing of value has been lost. I'll never remember this guy's name, and only this situation as a joke.
Death threats are fucking stupid, whoever did that sucks.
Putting that aside, your regex sucks bro though, you could do better there. (I know you’re lurking :P)
the man wrote :
Math.random() * (100 - 1 + 1)I don't think he knows what he's doing.
....oh dear god.
facepalm
Apparently his ego has such weight that it bends the very rules of syntax to his whim.
He seems to fall back on the "death threats" claim regularly, as if it's some kind of default. I don't think I've ever seen any evidence presented to the effect that these purported "death threats" were ever real, or common, or an actual issue beyond the usual background level of Internet ribald. It seems like it should be a pretty trivial thing to prove.
Come on, man. Post some screen shots. Name some names. Instead it's all just allusions and stereotyping and fictionalizing and trying to paint entire instances or groups of people with a wide brush.
Isn't it a big thing that private messages and the ilk are not actually secure here and are theoretically visible e.g. to instance admins and operators? If said threats were sent between two .world accounts (and at least two of his alt accounts that I know of were local lemmy.world accounts) it ought to be trivial to verify these, yes?
Actually, it's been quite incredible to see just how level headed everyone's response to this entire debacle has been, at least insofar as I've encountered. Overall people seem to either be bewildered or amused by their presence on his list, surprised by it's discovery or baffled as to its purported necessity, or highly skeptical of its alleged purpose. But all of the tirades, rants, insults, and crash-outs I've seen have been only coming from AdmiralPatrick himself — not anybody else.
The maga types project, accuse others of death threats they themselves send to people. I'm betting it's no different here. When you have no ability to self reflect, projection is all there is.
Yeah, seems he traded his God complex for victim complex in the end...
He's a complex guy
He's said that people respectfully saying this is a bad idea where stalkers and harassment, I doubt he's had any.
Consider the source.
hell yeah , that's a fucking awesome band
https://considerthesourcemusic.bandcamp.com/track/you-won-a-goat
Damn! This shit slaps! Thanks for sharing :)
Thank you for listening, I hope you get to enjoy them.
If you want more guitar players that know how to do excellent phrasing, I wrote a long ass post that only 1 person glanced at, I shouted out Gabriel Martin of Consider the Source as a honorable mention.
https://lemmy.world/post/32373621/18023477
EDIT : the song/solo that kicked off that post : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEX4BQ72lNA&t=407s
Sure but its not that farfetched either
Whether or not it actually happened, calling it out is the right move. Don't make death threats, don't harass, don't threaten to dox people. It doesn't help, and simply discussing the issue was enough to highlight the problems with the shadowban list
there was no discussion on that front though. There were people going what the fuck and there was admiralpatrick calling everyone toxic violent hateful karens for challenging his vision.
Also holy shit has that guy got a whole minibus up his arse about db0. Has he tried simply ignoring him?
It's not a fucking airport, there is no need to announce your departure.
Bye Felicia.
Dude seems like a wanker. All of this because he couldn't be bothered to separate a block list from the app?
The block list implementation was not because he couldn't be bothered. It was done in a relatively obfuscated matter. Nothing in the read me even mentions it. This was very clearly a God complex or politically biased goal that he knew would have an effect since he was in a position of power, as everyone uses his front end.
Pushed a hidden block list on unsuspecting users.
Just plain fascism.
important to note who exactly he favored for his blacklist that he forced on everyone.... that's right it's leftist and trans people.
Just another thin skinned MAGAT.
Honestly, make it fucking plugable conf file. It’s so trivial.
Lmao what a cringe crashout. Predictably, not a single mention in this essay regarding the reason why everyone suddenly hates them. Bye Felicia.
Hope a Tesseracts fork has more trustworthy devs than this guy.
First, lol. Nobody asked this person to be their personal savior. What a galactic ego. Good thing by reading this rant you can tell he learned absolutely nothing.
Also, I think this is a great example of someone confidently misappropriating therapy speak in only the way a certified narcissist can. Probably.
He hasn't quit. He's still making comments on his alt about this whole mess
Edit these are the two alts I know the names of: https://piefed.blahaj.zone/u/[email protected]
https://piefed.blahaj.zone/u/[email protected]
Man he's still actively crashing out and referred to his other account in 3rd person a few hours ago.
It is fuckin hilarious watching his meltdown over this.
Pls link
https://piefed.blahaj.zone/u/[email protected]
And one of the times he confirmed this is an alt of his
https://piefed.blahaj.zone/comment/5411435
Why though, this strengthens his argument about the harassment
Unless the alt is being used to evade bans, or trying to steer the conversation, I don't see the benefit in chasing around the dev on different accounts. Report it to mods/admins as needed, but don't share it in this thread where a lot of people are already upset at the person
Many of us just want to know what to ban
Maybe he should leave then?
He has been trying to lie about things that he did from his alt, and only drops the act that he's a random supportive user when someone points out his deception. If he was just upfront about that and the blacklist I wouldn't have paid him any mind.
I just want juicy drama and to watch an asshat crash out, excuse me.
pls link
https://piefed.blahaj.zone/u/[email protected]
And one of the times he confirmed this is an alt of his
https://piefed.blahaj.zone/comment/5411435
this isn't even the first time he's crashed out like this. he did the same thing a year or so ago. he has a few known alts and probably others that he has kept out of this. he'll be back, if he ever leaves.
I'm having a hard time understanding the person behind this account. They called everyone names and continue to do that, but everyone else is toxic. I'm hoping this is a satire account, but I might be giving them too much credit. This one is really funny, satire or not.
He has an inability to take responsibility for his decisions when caught trying to control others, so he talks down to everyone else.
His remark about disassociating, is a major characteristic of all dissociative phenomena involving a detachment from reality, which we are seeing above. He’s hinting that he’s still subconsciously aware of his mistake and is simply furious that he slipped up. I wouldn’t be surprised if he eventually decides to return.
Seems like typically narcissist abuser behavior. They don't care if they're total hypocrites.
It does have that vibe. They used to post stuff to get people riled up. I had a discussion about not removing one of their posts because it was homophobic. I'm glad I didn't cave and that's probably why I'm on the list, lol.
That's a thought destroying phrase "oh, this person has bad-person-ness, so that explains the fact that they're a bad person".
Maybe narcissism isn't this magic quality that turns people bad for no reason. Maybe effects have causes, and bad behaviour can be understood.
I agree that with you that in theory its good to consider the broader context that leads to such behaviors. We should strive for a society that doesn't traumatize children in all the ways the current one does. I certainly don't think people are just created that way, but a lot of people end up with a certain cluster of behavioral patterns. What seems like unhinged behavior seems to be a lot of island of stability so-to-speak that a lot of people unfortunately land on.
But that doesn't mean that you should either ignore or tolerate people making the world worse or getting in the way of people who want it to be better. I have a lot of empathy for Musk, for example. Yet I'd still celebrate if he took a one-way trip to Titanic.
We used the word "retard" to mean slow for a long long time. But when it became a psychological diagnosis, the colloquial usage shot way up. Maybe some of the people calling others "r*tards" were speaking French, but I think the majority were inspired by hatred. So, the people who care about these things did two things: we changed the name of the diagnosis, and we stopped using the word. People don't use that word nearly as much anymore.
I think a similar thing is going on with that word you used. "N*rcissist". It had a somewhat valid use in the 1800s for a while, but it pretty quickly became about a psychiatric disorder. In the modern day, the majority using the word are inspired by hate. I don't think most people using it are hateful, but I think they got the idea from hateful people. NPD is really stigmatised, and I think the people who care about these things should do two things: we should change the name of the diagnosis, and we should stop using the word.
Sounds like they... couldn't deal with the blowback. Sounds like they didn't hold their ground, they were lying and duplicitous. What a fucking maroon.
My friend, you have been blessed with interactions with emotionally mature people. I envy you.
If this had been done out in the open, they might have been able to get a solid number of users to agree to use their filter. The secretiveness is the only thing I take issue with, personally.
Sharing your block list is fine.
Tricking others into using it is incredibly sleazy.
Same, everyone is allowed to have opinions. When you decide to silently, secretly dictate your opinion to others that's a problem.
Talk about a fucking storm in a teacup.
Wow. So fucking disconnected.
What a little bitch.
Such an absolute pussy.
He could have started an instance and moderated it as he saw fit but no, he wanted to underhandedly silence hundreds and thought people would thank him for it.
He also could have just blocked people, communities, and instances he didn't like on his own account..
Could even share a blocklist as its own thing for people who wanted to outsource that job to someone else.
He did have an instance didnt he? Dubvee.org
Yep I guess so, even worse. And now I see the edit that he put DDoS script in his last post. Truly unhinged.
"...and while won't give you the personal satisfaction of having won..."
I gotta say though... I'm pretty satisfied.
They thought they were "saving" the fediverse by making it better for normies which is hilarious. It's almost like they never saw the internet before 2010 and how normies fucked everything up.
The children on the internet these days have no clue. Eternal September is 30+ years old.
There are plenty of users who don't even know what the Eternal September was, and I guarantee you there will be a multitude of them whose first exposure to the term will be your comment, right here.
Some of us were there.
I only got on the web at the dawn of the World Wide Web in '93. I wonder if the college students who had pre-www internet access through their university think of me as a normie 🤔
thank you for that tidbit of early internet trivia. I enjoyed looking up and reading about "Eternal September".
What a whiny fucking tool. I'm glad I made their stupid list.
top 100 baby!
Sorry, not super familiar with all this. What’s the instance-that-must-not-be-named?
Man, I just post good photography and advocate for billionaires and fascists to resign from life.
I’m just a turtle.
Lmao what a moron.
That reads exactly like this absurd video message from a power trippin reddit mod after he was removed for promoting a scam.
It’s just as completely out of touch with reality that you almost have to feel sorry for guys like that, because it’s obviously pathological.
On the other hand, though, people like that are a threat to others—in this case an immediate threat for freedom of expression and open discourse, the cornerstones of the Fediverse.
Seeing someone using such a blacklist makes it rather clear who the crazy in this story is.
it's not even just using a blacklist. That's fine. But deciding that your blacklist should apply to everyone. That's the crazy part. Then forcing that blacklist on everyone and hiding it? That's the evil part.
Wow, what a loser. I wish every cringy, small-minded, thin-skinned, emotional child made it this easy to pick them out.
It's too bad that this had to be a big drama, but:
More than once I brought this up as comparison on the difference between an unpopular default based on the main developer's needs, that was announced and detailed in changelogs, that can be toggled and worked around, instead of a control-freak's grudges manifesting as a hidden shadowban list. We lost a very friendly power user (PugJesus) from the Piefed change, but unfortunately sometimes that is the price of it.
Wanting a less-toxic fediverse is a totally normal thing, users and admins have many of the tools already for that, and I respect devs for trying to do their part. But it is the dishonest way of implementing it that no one is a fan of, and that makes everyone question this dev's character. If this person could at the very least own up to it, call it well-intentioned error, and respond to the problem with solutions rather than a crashout, then this wouldn't need to be as big of a deal.
Lemmy is bandwagony but in politics you have to live with a little bit of it. I've said anti- and pro-feminist stuff, made anti- and pro-trans arguments while trying to be empathetic as I can, made cold, warm and hot takes, toed the line and went against the grain, got lots of up and down votes. I try to pushback against gatekeeping and purity tests, play devil's advocate, and when I'm not shitposting, try to steelman arguments I don't agree with. People are imperfect, I try to avoid to assign guilt by association, people will think differently about things than I do, I respect their opinions while still disagree with, and I'll take downvotes on the chin for defending different that.
If you actually got death threats and threats of doxxing, that truly sucks and shame on people who took this that seriously.
Or maybe you were just wrong, dude.
Like you developed a frontend. If you just blocked people from your instance we wouldn't have batted an eye. Your job as a frontend developer was to choose how information was packaged. You should not have been deciding for users who they would or would not be allowed to see. And if you really felt strongly about the need for a blacklist, you should have made your filters opt-in.
Yeah it's crazy how liberals call for the deaths of billions around the world by supporting the status quo, which kills countless people and is currently dooming almost all life on Earth to climate disaster. That's why I'm on Anarchist Nexus, whose admins and users (me lol) have called for the killing to stop by any means necessary. (Pretty sure Admiral Patrick is referring to us specifically as the instance-that-will-not-be-named.)
I know that liberalism is the monoculture in the West, but you must eventually learn that (1) liberalism is not the default mode of existence, and (2) liberalism is violence. Liberal democracy is violence. It's probably the most violent system currently in existence. And I don't know how to make that an easy lesson for you to learn, I understand that it's a challenge...but if you're unwilling to do the work to undo your liberalism, the rest of the world does not have the time to wait for you.
Good, if I ever become as libbed up as you then I deserve to get banned.
Hell yeah we're fucking crazy, and I wouldn't want it any other way
It's funny that you complain about liberalism so much when you sound exactly like the kind of fart-sniffing liberal who loves to spew out incomprehensible word salad without being able to actually precisely parse out what any single sentence means. You're the left wing version of Jordan Peterson.
Not my fault you're too impatient to read 🤷
It's not that I'm impatient, it's that I can sum up everything you say in two words: "west bad", and the way you dress it up only impresses other mindless academics who are only privileged enough to enjoy such a position thanks to their generational wealth.
Well the West is bad. If you take that position 100% of the time, you'll be right 99.99% of the time. And the other 0.01% won't be "the West is good", it'll be "the West is bad and there's more to the story".
"You criticise liberalism, and yet I'm too illiterate to understand you, how ironic!"
Questioning the reader's literacy capabilities rather than attempting to actually refine their prose into something readable is the last refuge of the lettuce-spewer.
I'm not questioning your literacy capabilities, I'm paraphrasing your own statement. Their prose is perfectly readable, so if you can't understand it, it's because you're illiterate
What point are you trying to make?
I'm trying to save leftism from sabotage.
Which countries aren't 'liberal' or some degree of brutal authoritarian dictatorship?
You might as well ask which societies aren't some variety of feudalism before liberalism was invented. It's not an eternal unbreakable system.
They said "in the west". I want to know which non-Western countries exactly they're referring to.
Because it sounds to me like they're just on China/Russia propaganda-brain.
Nah you won't see me glazing Russia, China, or any other state. I'm literally an anarcho-communist. But Russia and China are absolutely not liberal democracies.
So then why do you use Russian and Chinese propaganda phrases like "in the west"?
So because Chinese and Russian propagandists have ever used the words "in the West", I'm never allowed to use them? I'm not allowed to use a concept because they used a concept? Nah, that's silly.
Why do you use English when Russian and Chinese propaganda also use English?
Sounds like you're just on western liberal propaganda brain
No, I'm not. I'm your worst nightmare - an independent thinker.
Cringe
Cope harder, tankie.
By "liberalism is not the default mode of existence," I meant to reject liberalism's tendency to label its constructions as "natural", "inevitable", or "universal". E.g., private property is not natural (even territorial animals cannot establish property lines like we do), not inevitable, and not universal (because it is a specifically Western liberal concept). Capitalism is not natural (c.f. Kropotkin's Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution), inevitable, or universal (e.g. various hunter-gatherer societies).
I am absolutely not denying liberalism's ubiquity in modern times. Quite the opposite: liberalism is ubiquitous in Western society and societies that interface with Westerners, hence why I am so eager to combat it!
You're using the word "liberalism" a lot, can you define it in one short sentence for me?
Liberalism is the justifying ideology of liberal democracy. Liberalism nominally stands for freedom, individual liberty, and equality, but actually perpetuates white supremacy, capitalism, colonialism, and the State.
So you're going to help us strive for a true democracy, with actual freedom, individual liberty, and equality, right?
Practically, yes. That's why I'm not a liberal. Liberals are lying to you.
Also, direct democracy is not necessarily the most egalitarian way to make decisions within a collective. Also, more often than not, coming to a binding decision democratically is not as useful as either coming to a voluntary consensus, or going your own way. I.e., democrats, liberals, and socialists (including some anarchists) overemphasize the particular form of direct democracy, as opposed to one of various possible horizontal decision making processes, or whether we really need to agree to a decision.
Obviously direct democracy is better than liberal democracy, all day, not even close. But I'm trying to make a subtle point that we need to de-emphasize democracy of any kind as a dogma, and emphasize non-domination and horizontalness. I.e., I agree with democracy advocates about the participatory, liberatory aims of direct democracy, but I do not necessarily agree that direct democracy is literally always the optimal way to implement that participatory, liberatory vision that I hope we all share.
This is why I like sortition as an everyday working mechanism for voluntary associations, with direct democracy as a backup for when the randomly picked people screw up.
The socialist ones
Such as?
Vietnam, Cuba, China
Can you explain to me how a country with stock markets, banks, and billionaires qualifies as "socialist"?
Because none of those things are incompatible with socialism.
So then countries like Canada, Ireland, Finland, Denmark, surely they're even more socialist by your standards of the people owning the means of production?
Complete lack of self awareness.
If you can't act transparently then you're probably the asshole.
Skill issue
The fuck is this drama even about? Is everyone involved like 13 years old?
Well, you are involved.
Admiral Patrick, dev of tesseract and admin of Startrek.website, made a shadowban list and slipped it into his front end. Instead of using modding tools like an adult, he decided to block people and communities through his app, which he was distributing and sharing with users and other instances (it's a front end you can add for your instance website). The list was hidden and only loaded from his website at the start, it caused a bug for db0 and they traced it back.
The list was of course at his sole discretion and involves personal vendettas, leftist comms, LGBTQ comms, small news comms and a mixed bag of random ones.
The list also includes you. So a bunch of users weren't seeing any of your posts or comments show up, and were never informed or given a choice about it.
List: https://copyparty.adrian.place/u/?doc=policy.json
First post on the subject: https://lemmy.world/post/49778353
Wait, is this the guy Stamets had a problem with a few years ago?
First I'm learning he's an admin on startrek.website
Man if he truly is a fan of Star Trek he should really be hanging his head in shame. He's not representing the morals the show espoused for decades. Hell, Kirk would have bitch slapped his ass which is hilarious given him using the moniker online.
Fucking pussy is delulu
Oh, sweet. Thanks for the breakdown. Cool that I made his list I guess? Or is this like an Epstein list and most are actually horrible people? Do I need to grow at all as a person, is what I’m asking.
What I find so weird about his list is how random it was. To hear him tell it you cannot be on the list without being super toxic and calling for violence but I don't believe that. You just had to disagree with him afaik
If you think corporations deserve empathy and that gay people are the devil then it is bad to be on the list I guess? But like idk man sounds like a list I'd rather be on than not.
Congrats on making the list. It means you annoyed the guy in some way. So probably cool.
Dude, it's a list of about 3000 lemmy users... It has close to everybody.
Seeing the name of the author, I'm probably in it because I have made a joke about their username once.
Ha, you actually are on it
Nah, your presence on the list just means you exist at this point. They tried to ban beans and perchance ffs.
Most on the Epstein list had no relationship with him. Literally just a list of anyone who turned up in the FBI’s paperwork on the case, including people he mentioned in emails, or people who emailed him may have mentioned, or someone he saw on TV, or whatever. Jon Stewart is on the Epstein list.
I’m dying of laughter.
I’m also very sad I wasn’t included.
This is the crux of the problem. So many people are on the list and didn't know, or didn't know what the list does, didn't know what was being hidden or that they were being hidden. And AdmiralPatrick was counting on that. He was counting on people being ignorant to his shady bullshit. As long as people didn't know it was fine, to him. If he truly thought it was a good idea, then he wouldn't have tried to hide it and been sneaky about it.
Huh guess I'm not active enough to have made the list
he built a lemmy frontend that silently fetches a list of people and communities the creator doesn't like from a server and just... erases them from the ui. people were upset that there was basically a hit list for them compiled for no apparent reason, and when pressed about why he thought anyone would think this was a good idea the dev just left.
Patrick hates people like Luigi and secretly has been shadowbanning people, communities, etc who celebrate celebrate actions such as Luigi's. People realized it was happening and got mad they weren't on the list.
Dev of a Lemmy frontend made a block list, as well as a triple super secret download at runtime (base64 encoded then decoded at run).
db0, admin of dbzer0, noticed the original block list and forked as well as posted about what was found. Others found the super secret download.
ptz (aka... A whole bunch of alts, someone else can list) got mad about people finding out then claimed it was a harassment campaign because... db0 found the dirty list.
Followed by a whole bunch of posts and then this "final" crashout.
Now you insulted him, he won't save you anymore!
Rorsarch is an A-grade arsehole but even he would never
Rorsach's whole thing is absolute honesty and transparency. He literally dies for it.
Lmao, he really is a Rorschach
Bye weirdo
I need to come back to read this later
Lol
Lmao even
This guy is what you'd get if Trump and Musk had a child.
They're not wrong.
But you don't force your will on others and try to control them and the things they share.
The Fediverse is pretty shit a lot of the time because it does attract a lot of life's leftovers, but we have our own block methods. It's unlikely to grow because of all the egoism and extremism of these losers, but that's for its natural path and it's a fun experiment in the meantime.
What's the age on this? Ptz was still posting.
pls link
Please link
Ugh, i saw it in passing. Just random normal chatter under the alt, was a bit shocked considering unhinged on main.
Probably doing their best to try to pretend it's not an alt
The goal was great, but you were going backwards. Just because you had a good goal doesn't mean you were walking the right path to get there. There definitely needed to be some self reflection here, both from the guy that though putting a DDoS into the software was in any way a good way to prove you stood on the moral high ground and from the communities that thought death threats were the appropriate response to this situation.
The blocklist was crazy but I don't think anyone should be receiving death threats, that part is frustrating.
👋
dont let the door hit you on the way out 🤡
Bye, Felicia.
I mean, Jesus Christ. I have no choice but to agree with this first part of the manifesto. The people who did those things should be ashamed of themselves.
Just stop using Tesseract. That's all you needed to do. Just stop using it.
Death threats? Over an open source fediverse frontend? Pathetic. Assuming it's true, of course. Shame!
Look, I don't always agree with dbzer0 and the flotilla. I think they're a bunch of purity testing wangrods sometimes, and they were even taking time out of their day to libel Piefed for no reason during the original Tesseract callout.
But I don't believe that these "death threats" are a serious problem, seriously connected to db0. I think this death threat thing is made up. It's awful convenient how if you're being boycotted or ridiculed for your beliefs and values, you can just make a post about some death threats and get sympathy. And it ain't DARVO when you got no history of abusing the other person before calling out their politics.
Can somebody explain who this person is and what they're complaining about, because all I can gather is db0 is involved
They wrote an interface (client or skin) you could use for lemmy, then built a hidden personal shitlist into it dictating who and what users could and couldn't see. Db0 found the secret list trying to troubleshoot the software. When called on this massive abuse and overreach of power the developer decided the best tactic was to call everyone cunts and delete the internet
Wait, wasn't Tesseract a front end for mods to ignore problem users?
I'm on the list and I just assumed it was a "users who can be extra work to deal with"... type list.
But yeah, big reacts are never that great... And I can understand someone feeling targeted by online outrage.
The problem is that he added a secret, undocumented list that was only added when you were running the program that only he maintained.
If you were on an affected server, it gave an incompatible server message. If you were an affected user, it just hid you completely.
He went to extreme lengths to try and avoid this being discovered.
He seriously compromised the fundamental nature and trust of the entire activitypub project sphere.
Wow, what a cunt. Glad he rage quit.
You know the turd is a lurkin and jerkin to his own image. People like this never fuck off.
nope, it was frontend for anyone/everyone.
If you were on the list then anyone using it never saw your posts. You were basically shadowbanned without knowing you were banned.
Ahh I see. Thanks.
Looks like it was pitched as an option that had "better moderation tools" that might have just become reddit style hide lists.
Better moderation tools sure sounds like tools for moderators and not shadowbanning people who criticize me.
He was fearing for his life truly the most oppressed lemming.
Can I forward this to my lady neighbor who is stupid and being gentle with her dogs
Actually now she is still yelling, just not at the dogs
It’s something weird that if someone does something wrong on the internet it seems everyone else gets a free pass to harass them. Just have him have them have their little crash out in peace. I know their past days weren’t fun and now just to keep clowning on them doesn’t make one better than them.
Who's harassing? He put out this message for people to read... well, people are reading it and they have some criticisms. That's not harassment, that's getting feedback.
This bit:
I don't know the extent of it, but I can definitely see this happening. Its not a fediverse thing, or a social media thing, some people take things too far.
The guy is probably taking all the threads mocking his stupidity personally and is saying they are harassment when they are actually the rest of the fediverse criticizing his stupid decision in solidarity.