I'm not gay at all and I'm on the list. Thinking people should be accepted and loved no matter who they love seems to be very offending to that idiot who wrote the list.
I think you meant instance. The concept of a transgender blahaj insurance claim being denied by a Lemmy mod is much funnier, though. Blahaj must defend themself in court against unjust insurance denial now. Bridget—from Guilty Gear—will be their lawyer while we're at it.
Good call, but aren't others able (especially instance admins) to see our subscriptions? I'm on some subs like 196 and some left party ones. And my home instance is .ml!!
I'll try to summarise from memory and my knowledge from a couple of posts, but details might be wrong since I've not done a deep dive into this. I'm not going to go looking for links and references, because who has the time?
There was a frontend for Lemmy called Tesseract (a frontend is a different interface for the Lemmy site. For example, I use Alexandtrie and think this is the best interface in browser if you want to see what a frontend looks like). Anyway, it came to light that the dev for Tesseract had covertly added a blacklist to the frontend. He then wrote a long rant about how there's propoganda and unpleasantness on Lemmy and he's trying to protect his users from this. In reality he basically described how he wants to block anyone who isn't agreeable with his opinion, expresses leftist opinions, supports LGBTQ+ rights, etc. So people have taken it as a badge of honour in being on the list and are making it a mockery of Tesseract. The dev has taken down the Github page for Tesseract (although I think someone forked it first and removed the blacklist). So now people are flooding Lemmy with memes about being on the list and hating on Tesseract. It's all fun and games, but as with all things with social media trends, it will likely start getting boring as you come across a lot of this on your feed.
I’m on the list and the only “propaganda” I’ve spread is a willingness to end fascist lives, which hardly seems controversial to me. I mean, typically you shoot fascists, don’t you?
Depends what you define as fascist? Who's the judge here? In the pre-elon twitter times people would call everything nazi/fascist that didn't match their opinion. Basically you are threatening to murder people for... opinions? Coming from a place without death penalty this is indeed concerning. Especially when targeted at a certain person. TBH be happy you got banned and not jailed.
‘It’s normal to throw people in jail for being willing to kill a fascist before they’ve done anything’ is really wild. That actually happens where you are? Someone just says they’d kill a fascist and they get locked up?
Perchance you should start measuring things in hamburger units, or express your distaste of paywalled articles, or how you want to remove all of the mild everyday annoyances from the reality because, you know, they mildly bug you. Or just talk about the proletariat.
...I dunno, I'm not on the list either because I don't talk about this stuff much, I guess.
You had to say, "Nazis bad 🥺👉👈." Apparently that's the secret gang sign of the antifascist transgender mafia he was bravely trying to defend the world from.
If I ever need to show somebody what a cringe loser I am I will name something after a term from a classic work of sci-fi or fantasy — one where I clearly missed the meaning!
I'm also not on the list but I avoid posting anything political on this account. This account is easy to dox so I don't want some online comment to interfere with my life.
It is called the toxicity list if you weren't toxic you don't go on it I guess. Honestly IDK what the big deal is the mods and admins here love their big ban lists why is this particular one getting so much attention?
Because it was secretly implemented on people who had no means of knowing that their entire fediverse feed was being personally curated by a single individual.
It’s fine to ring fence your own personal instance - that’s the point of federation; but to secretly censor a front end client? Ffs.
It is not the worst possible thing but shadow banning via a client is quite ridiculous, even more so when politically motivated. I won't even get into how funny it is to have even less of a tolerance for political variety than lemmy.ml.
If you really want to circle jerk, that is what instances are for where what is tolerated and what is not is much more transparent.
It wasn't politically motivated tho it was 'toxic people' that were shadow banned you know "be awesome or else" right? That is how vibe modding works it's fundamental to the fediverse experience.
This was a small step forward if you only have a problem with this but not all the steps that lead us here then you are pushing an agenda using the perceived political motivations, or you are just dumb.
toxic=people who don't agree with me isn't a very mature approach though is it? In my opinion what is fundamental to the fediverse is being able to discuss with people you don't completely agree with. It is the more centralized social media platforms that repeatedly push content you like so that you get addicted to your echo chambers. If you don't like your ideas being challenged I would suggest such places.
I am not advocating for ban lists. It's that I understand how the fediverse works it's rife with censorship this is just oh_no_my_tribe these people don't care about censorship when it is against their enemies.
It wasn't politically motivated tho it was 'toxic people'
I don't know, you seem rather supportive for someone who doesn't advocate it.
In any case there is a world of difference between ban lists of instances and ban lists of an app. The latter is something one step shy of a centralized ban list for fediverse. Also ban lists in instances at least try to revolve around a set of rules (whether or not they succeed is another issue and will change from instance to instance), where as this one is just single person's "don't like this person because he didn't agree with me" list imposed without any information or whatsoever on end users. It also doesn't help with the optics that it looks hand curated...
I love drama because it inevitably brings out people who want to be middle of the road about everything, and you can look back and see how that works in practice for every other opinion.
It's telling on yourself in a fantastic sort of way.
You thought I was insulting you, no I'm just pointing out what it looks like to be held up by a cylinder of jello that represents what in other people is a backbone!
Honestly if someone is literally asking to get put on a list of toxic users I see no reason they shouldn't be accomodated, it will be doing a favor to those of us who appreciate having the feature.
The situation would be the same if he also could block you for other users and instances without telling them.
Personally blocking a user on your account is fine
Personally blocking a user from your admin is fine
Both those things use Lemmy tools and the modlog. Banning people with a secret shadowban malware list and distributing this malware to other instances is unethical.
I'm fairly certain this user is Admiral Patrick's alt. He is in every thread not only defending but straight up lying.
I highly urge everyone to go take a look at the list. There's lgbt communities and instances, small news orgs and even a word ban so your comment doesn't show if it has "Epstein class" in it for example.
The app only showed you half the ban list, it hid the LGBTQ bans, users and comment stuff from what I understand.
I don't consider an optional ui used by optional instances with an optional and clearly labeled feature that enables an optional GUI toggle that allows users to control a filter that does not actually ban anyone to be "malware"
if you are capable, reflecting on this moment where you visibly outed yourself on this alt may be wise. you put your worst foot forward by being a sarcastic prick.
Bro like every major account on this site is on that list, and most of them are chill and not toxic at all, just leftists.
Why would you trust the word of a developer that hid this list in a file that is downloaded after install, rather than the official blocklist in the git repo? Are you really that gullible?
Seems like there wouldn't be this big hubbub if the dev hadn't been a sneaky asshat who decided to control the views of anyone using their front-end without notification they were going to change.
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I didn’t make the cut either. 😭
You are obviously not a big enough bell end. I'm a complete twat and I'm on it.
Im.. that's..
OK fine.
On this blessed day, we are all complete twats 💖
That's my secret, Cap...I'm always a twat!
*holds hand up, transforms*
I'm on it.
let me guess, you're leaning left?
I mean, yes, but the joke I was making was that I must be a twat too based on the previous comment.
I need to step up my twatiness and bell end-itude.
"not gay enough" apparently is a thing now
I'm not gay at all and I'm on the list. Thinking people should be accepted and loved no matter who they love seems to be very offending to that idiot who wrote the list.
Yeah, nah, you not beating the allegations here. Clearly you on the LGBT+ spectrum somewhere.
I mean if I were, I wouldn't know. But thanks for believing in me 💖
Idk, I am a giant dickbag and I'm not on it. Maybe it's related to political fuckmastery?
Same 😔
I'm the admin of one of the blocked instances. Yay!
Only to find out your an innocent victim of the Scunthorpe problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scunthorpe_problem
What a silly instance
.ml is weird
Scun-thorpe if anyone is wondering, Also Penistone a place in England Cockburn a name in the UK And Middlesex and Sussex I might get put on a list 🤣
I drove past Penistone the other day, I giggled and pointed out the sign to my bf
I do it every time we pass by...it never gets old
clbuttic mistake
That's absolutely removed
S(he) be(removed)ed 😔🙏
Lol now people need to hint to what slur is in the link so we can click it
I just copy the message link and open it in a browser on their instance
It's the common genitals you're unlikely to see in your inbox
@[email protected] knew this would happen
Are you saying that you are? In which case, what substring got you blocked? Only thing I can see is maybe "gina" which feels too weak
In all my years this might be the most dumb block list I have ever seen. A sample:
If you make a username "billionaire [ cock | dick ]" it won't be caught by the billionaire cock/dick filter. I find that amusing.
This was a list of keywords posted by users that would get them on the list.
It's even dumber when you take a look at some of the RegEx use. Pretty amateur even for such simple patterns.
Acab
🥺👉👈
In with 115 comments. Weirdest flex.
I've got 5,800 and am not on the list. What the fuck?!
3 years and almost 2,000 comments.
Also didn't make the list.
Huh, just looked. I'm on it too. I rarely say anything, let alone political stuff
Turns out you’re too far west on the Overton window
You got me camerade, everyone knows it's code for left of left
In with 35 at the time of it being revealed
That's honestly impressive.
Raises more questions than anything
Having that many comments and avoiding the list be like:
🔘I’m in this meme and I don’t like it
Link to the list? Now I'm curious . . .
https://codeberg.org/thethunderwolf/tesseract-blocklist-archive/src/branch/main/tesseract-shadow-policy-2026-07-24-19:50:UTC.json
I'm on it, which is outrageous, because I am an absolute delight.
I thought I got pretty spicy when I was telling people they were being queerphobic but I guess not 😞
Your entire insurance is blocked if I’m not mistaken, so maybe you just didn’t get seen due to said block?
I think you meant instance. The concept of a transgender blahaj insurance claim being denied by a Lemmy mod is much funnier, though. Blahaj must defend themself in court against unjust insurance denial now. Bridget—from Guilty Gear—will be their lawyer while we're at it.
This is my 3,000 comment in a little under 3 years. Still not cool enough for the blocklist. ;_;
Aw, you're getting there! Keep at it!
Don't even talk to me if you did not make the list. Talk to my regex on the list
How do you do fellow
^saharamaleikuhm$?It seems like he blocked at lot of left wing and people who stood out, so all this means is you're like a nondescript nazi. Henchmen #62.
Good call, but aren't others able (especially instance admins) to see our subscriptions? I'm on some subs like 196 and some left party ones. And my home instance is .ml!!
Idk honestly, I'm new and saw the opportunity for a bad joke and couldn't pass that up since bad jokes are my entire personality. :D
Amateur. I've been on for 6.5 months and have nearly 6000 comments.
What the hell is a tesseract list?
the what now?
I'll try to summarise from memory and my knowledge from a couple of posts, but details might be wrong since I've not done a deep dive into this. I'm not going to go looking for links and references, because who has the time?
There was a frontend for Lemmy called Tesseract (a frontend is a different interface for the Lemmy site. For example, I use Alexandtrie and think this is the best interface in browser if you want to see what a frontend looks like). Anyway, it came to light that the dev for Tesseract had covertly added a blacklist to the frontend. He then wrote a long rant about how there's propoganda and unpleasantness on Lemmy and he's trying to protect his users from this. In reality he basically described how he wants to block anyone who isn't agreeable with his opinion, expresses leftist opinions, supports LGBTQ+ rights, etc. So people have taken it as a badge of honour in being on the list and are making it a mockery of Tesseract. The dev has taken down the Github page for Tesseract (although I think someone forked it first and removed the blacklist). So now people are flooding Lemmy with memes about being on the list and hating on Tesseract. It's all fun and games, but as with all things with social media trends, it will likely start getting boring as you come across a lot of this on your feed.
I’m on the list and the only “propaganda” I’ve spread is a willingness to end fascist lives, which hardly seems controversial to me. I mean, typically you shoot fascists, don’t you?
That stuff got me banned on reddit over several accounts. They are vicious.
Depends what you define as fascist? Who's the judge here? In the pre-elon twitter times people would call everything nazi/fascist that didn't match their opinion. Basically you are threatening to murder people for... opinions? Coming from a place without death penalty this is indeed concerning. Especially when targeted at a certain person. TBH be happy you got banned and not jailed.
A fascist is a fascist, such a weird argument to have. Why do you have trouble identifying fascists? Pretty suspicious honestly.
‘It’s normal to throw people in jail for being willing to kill a fascist before they’ve done anything’ is really wild. That actually happens where you are? Someone just says they’d kill a fascist and they get locked up?
Fascist according to Wikipedia, there that's the definition for you. There's not much room for misinterpretation.
well now im disappointed that im not on that list
You take that back. Beans and jeans with never not be funny
Edit: beans like four posts down my homepage, love to fucking see it
So Reddit 2.0? Good thing it got taken down.
3 years, 4077 comments (holy crap?!)
Not on it either!
Maybe I could've written like a whole book with all that effort though lol.
Skill issue lol.
I'd like to know what it was that got me on there, but to be honest, there's a lot of possibilities.
Sheesh you comment more than I do!
👀
Wow you win.
woohoo?
Did you ever use the word "perchance"?
Didn't they filter entire instances?
That, too.
Yeah maybe OP just stuck to instances that were mostly blocked. No reason to feel left out.
im new here. wut is tesseract list?
I'm on the list! I have so many people to thank, first trump, then god, then RFK jr's brain worm.
I guess I spent too much time up voting anime titties and not enough time supporting fully automated gay luxury space communism.
The entire wholesomeYuri is on there so you just had to like and support gay luxury space anime titties, tbf.
3 yrs 2.1 k comments on this account and probably another thousand scattered between other accounts, and not a single one made the list :(
I’ll have to try harder for the next one, I guess.
Aaaw, I'm not in it either.
Is there an application form I can fill somewhere?
Some boss did a github pull request.
Perchance you should start measuring things in hamburger units, or express your distaste of paywalled articles, or how you want to remove all of the mild everyday annoyances from the reality because, you know, they mildly bug you. Or just talk about the proletariat.
...I dunno, I'm not on the list either because I don't talk about this stuff much, I guess.
The what?
That's alright, Cowbee too isn't in the list.
I'm honestly offended, lol.
Phew!
What do I need to do to join? Say nazis bad?
You had to say, "Nazis bad 🥺👉👈." Apparently that's the secret gang sign of the antifascist transgender mafia he was bravely trying to defend the world from.
If I ever need to show somebody what a cringe loser I am I will name something after a term from a classic work of sci-fi or fantasy — one where I clearly missed the meaning!
I routinely tell people to get fucked but didn't make the list. They must have more stringent criteria than just being rude.
Those are rookie comment numbers!
On the bright side, surely .ML is banned so you catch an indirect inclusion.
Gotta bump those numbers up, I'm at 2.5k comments in 10 months. Just scattershot your political opinions into the void, you'll make the list.
Only downside to me switching home instances is that this account isn't on it. My old one was in the top 100 though.
You gotta piss off the right people.
Can you offer ideas of what is gay crime?
Want to make sure it's not just regular crime.
I mean I'm not gay but I might be down for some gay crime.
Glitterbomb a politician. Using biodegradable glitter of course
Am in !!
Heres the tesseract ban list, if anyone wants to look themselves up https://copyparty.adrian.place/u/?doc=policy.json
Honestly, I feel like I'm as far left as you can get but I'm not on the list. I've said some intense stuff on here and I'm not on it
Okay so like how do I find out, I'm guessing I'm probably not on it since I don't post often but I'm still curious
Top comment reply has link
https://slrpnk.net/comment/23506164
Me neither. I should have joined Lemmy earlier haha.
I'm there with ya, guess my leftist views weren't left enough.
Thank you for your service
I'm not on the list,
But guess what?
I'm gonna pretend that I should be and that I don't care. So there! That'll teach em!
Easy work apparently.
I have only been here a few months. When do I get to go on it?
Will I be punished for being a lurker? I never post but I do enjoy scrolling ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2 years on here and I didnt make it on the list ✊😔
I'm not in it, but one of my alts is lol.
The virgin being in the Epstein files vs. the Chad being in the Tesseract files.
Not the first hissy fit either that the dev threw: https://codeberg.org/tesseract-ui/tesseract-old/commit/38f215e3ea164efce24cf3bf2d7f4f9ecde99633
insert skyrim he's not on the list.JPEG
I was close.
I don't post much, but there's also a chance I get overlooked. 🤫
Dang, not cool enough for whatever this list was for
I have been here three months and already have 1,200 lol I guess I enjoy the chit chat I am on the list but not by full name 😭
#85 baby, eat my dick whoever this guy is
I'm also not on the list but I avoid posting anything political on this account. This account is easy to dox so I don't want some online comment to interfere with my life.
Sibling same
Omg I made it on there, how? I mean really how?!
My now-gone feddit.de account was from 2021 too. Didn't make it either. :/
Those are rookie numbers. Ya'll need to pump them mean comment numbers up!
I want a filter that blocks anyone that says "malcontents" multiple times in a single post
Seeing the number of comments people are talking about here, yeah I can see how I wound up on the list…
It is called the toxicity list if you weren't toxic you don't go on it I guess. Honestly IDK what the big deal is the mods and admins here love their big ban lists why is this particular one getting so much attention?
Because it was secretly implemented on people who had no means of knowing that their entire fediverse feed was being personally curated by a single individual.
It’s fine to ring fence your own personal instance - that’s the point of federation; but to secretly censor a front end client? Ffs.
Yea that isn't how big ban lists work.
Yea that is how shadow banning works.
Mhmmm
Just seems like someone went a slight bit further than everyone else and somehow this is the worst possible thing ever it just doesn't make sense.
It is not the worst possible thing but shadow banning via a client is quite ridiculous, even more so when politically motivated. I won't even get into how funny it is to have even less of a tolerance for political variety than lemmy.ml.
If you really want to circle jerk, that is what instances are for where what is tolerated and what is not is much more transparent.
It wasn't politically motivated tho it was 'toxic people' that were shadow banned you know "be awesome or else" right? That is how vibe modding works it's fundamental to the fediverse experience.
This was a small step forward if you only have a problem with this but not all the steps that lead us here then you are pushing an agenda using the perceived political motivations, or you are just dumb.
toxic=people who don't agree with me isn't a very mature approach though is it? In my opinion what is fundamental to the fediverse is being able to discuss with people you don't completely agree with. It is the more centralized social media platforms that repeatedly push content you like so that you get addicted to your echo chambers. If you don't like your ideas being challenged I would suggest such places.
I am not advocating for ban lists. It's that I understand how the fediverse works it's rife with censorship this is just oh_no_my_tribe these people don't care about censorship when it is against their enemies.
I don't know, you seem rather supportive for someone who doesn't advocate it.
In any case there is a world of difference between ban lists of instances and ban lists of an app. The latter is something one step shy of a centralized ban list for fediverse. Also ban lists in instances at least try to revolve around a set of rules (whether or not they succeed is another issue and will change from instance to instance), where as this one is just single person's "don't like this person because he didn't agree with me" list imposed without any information or whatsoever on end users. It also doesn't help with the optics that it looks hand curated...
I love drama because it inevitably brings out people who want to be middle of the road about everything, and you can look back and see how that works in practice for every other opinion.
It's telling on yourself in a fantastic sort of way.
Yes I don't see the world as black and white instead as grey I am not going to sidestep my morals for a political agenda. Thanks for the compliment.
It's a real shame you thought this was an insult it's very... telling.
You thought I was insulting you, no I'm just pointing out what it looks like to be held up by a cylinder of jello that represents what in other people is a backbone!
How insulting!
Honestly if someone is literally asking to get put on a list of toxic users I see no reason they shouldn't be accomodated, it will be doing a favor to those of us who appreciate having the feature.
Oops! You accepted the premise of someone who shipped a hidden filter list in FOSS. Someone acting dishonestly shouldn’t be taken at face value.
you dont know me
I do know you, and that's why you're getting blocked. Bye!
hey wait thought blocklists were evil
The situation would be the same if he also could block you for other users and instances without telling them.
Personally blocking a user on your account is fine Personally blocking a user from your admin is fine
Both those things use Lemmy tools and the modlog. Banning people with a secret shadowban malware list and distributing this malware to other instances is unethical.
I'm fairly certain this user is Admiral Patrick's alt. He is in every thread not only defending but straight up lying.
I highly urge everyone to go take a look at the list. There's lgbt communities and instances, small news orgs and even a word ban so your comment doesn't show if it has "Epstein class" in it for example.
The app only showed you half the ban list, it hid the LGBTQ bans, users and comment stuff from what I understand.
I don't consider an optional ui used by optional instances with an optional and clearly labeled feature that enables an optional GUI toggle that allows users to control a filter that does not actually ban anyone to be "malware"
Clear as mud. You knew adding the entire Blahaj instance on a “toxicity” filter would cause an uproar, that’s why you went out of your way to hide it.
Flattening criticism of your dishonesty to “block lists are evil” is an oversimplification and you definitely know it.
The exception that proves the rule?
if you are capable, reflecting on this moment where you visibly outed yourself on this alt may be wise. you put your worst foot forward by being a sarcastic prick.
As a policy I try to not get to know dishonest people that well 🤷♂️
ok
Way to just accept the framing of the censor without any amount of critical thinking what so ever.
If you didn't know, that is an alt of the tesseract dev
OH hah
[citation needed]
Bro like every major account on this site is on that list, and most of them are chill and not toxic at all, just leftists.
Why would you trust the word of a developer that hid this list in a file that is downloaded after install, rather than the official blocklist in the git repo? Are you really that gullible?
why can't you just let people use their own computers how they choose
Why don't you ask the developer enforcing a secret blacklist? What a stupid fucking comment, holy shit.
EDIT: Oh, you are the dev. Fuck off, loser.
hey please dont call me a loser
Lol don't put me on a shadow ban list if you don't want to be called a loser
no deal
Well that's loser behaviour. So fuck off, loser.
Why couldn't the developer that made the blacklist?
He is the developer, that is one of his alt accounts
Jesus, how many alts does this guy have? ptz, Admiral Patrick, Kirk, anyone else?
I think he only has one more, but for the life of me I can't remember the name
Does that not also break various instance rules about astroturfing/alt accounts?
I do think it's dishonest that he's been making all these comments about tesseract from that account. That's why I've started alerting people to it
I'm honestly not sure what the bar is for astroturfing, I'm only familiar with it in the "paid" actor sense
I'm the developer I'm evil you cant stop me from blocking you muahah
they did
[Citation Needed Jackass]
Seems like there wouldn't be this big hubbub if the dev hadn't been a sneaky asshat who decided to control the views of anyone using their front-end without notification they were going to change.
The full list with detailed explanations is available publicly in the GitHub repo.
The "toxic mode" toggle is visible in the tesseract GUI along with another explanation of what it does
Tesseract is not a default Lemmy UI, an instance admin has to manually add it in order for it to be accessible.
Tesseract's toxic mode filter does not ban anyone
Instance admins are not forced to use Tesseract
Users are not forced to use an instance that provides Tesseract as an option
Users are not forced to enable the toxic mode filter on instances that have the toggle enabled
We are all free to block whomever we please on our own accounts
Admins are free to ban whomever they please from their instances that they own
We do not get to decide who gets banned from other peoples instances
We do not get to decide what other people read
Other people do not owe you or I an explanation of why they do the things they do in their free time
We do not get to control what other people create in their free time
"Why can't you just let me choose for you, what are you, a freedom hater? My freedom to choose for you is better than your freedom to decide."