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Any dead franchises that can survive being rebooted?

I once asked what media franchises need to just stop, that have run their time. Now I want to know which ones DID stop, and could be restarted with new content.

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lemmy.world

The Expanse

The show didn’t cover the Laconia story line, and given the time that passes before the final three books, we’re coming up on the perfect time to get the same cast back to do it.

The last few books are, in my view, the most compelling part of an already superb story.

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piefed.world

Isn't the time skip in the books like 20-30 years? its a while to wait until the actors have aged that much. I'd love to see it though.

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Yes, but you certainly don’t need to and wouldn’t want to wait that long. You risk lower interest, retirements, loss of acting ability through death or injury, etc. You can convincingly age adults pretty soon. I think they could start filming now or easily within the next 5 years.

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Aging 20-30 years in that future should be portrayed as ~10-15 years of aging in our timeline. People (esp. Inners) are far more long-lived thanks to advanced pharmaceuticals. See the coroner's bit about life expectancies in S1.

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lemmy.world

There was this late 90s show called Sliders where this team travels to different parallel Earths with different histories. I would like to see that rebooted.

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lemmy.zip

That show was so good and then the network started fucking with it and ruined it. It's almost unbelievable how bad it actually got, it's comical, like they were trying to ruin a show.

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piefed.social

I would love to see a good reboot of Sliders. That was the show that got me started on the internet. The Scifi channel used to advertise their chatrooms on commercials and I would go to the library to chat with other Scifi channel nerds. Good times.

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Lots of early 2000's Scifi channel shows deserve a reboot

Eureka

Warehouse 13

Dresden Files

Librarian franchise (technically movies, but still)

Legend of Earthsea

Sanctuary

Just so many shows that either didn't get the budget/attention they deserved, or were killed by the writer's strike.

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I didn’t really understand how TV worked back then, and I just hated that the Sliders crew couldn’t get back home

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Sounds like the movie Parallels. Doesn't have the most satisfying ending in the world but I always thought that it would make a good TV show, sounds like it already existed

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Best thing about a Sliders reboot is we could have one cameo per classic character, showing us where they finally landed. And then just continue on with the new cast.

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sh.itjust.works

Its lost a lot of its magic, and the janitor isnt there, but its a lot better than I expected it to be. Its certainly better than the not-scrubs season that shouldn't have been

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piefed.world

A bad reboot or sequel ruins nothing. It's just in your head.

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multiverse.soulism.net

That means if you can learn mental techniques to change your beliefs and perceptions, you'd become a wizard, reshaping reality with a thought.

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I agree. The capitalists are using the media to brainwash us into a capitalist reality. We need to fight back on the material and mental planes. We need occult communism.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

I was more referring to the Tommy Westphall Universe theory where nearly all American TV shows exist in the same universe within the mind of the St. Elsewhere character Tommy Westphall.

In case you weren't aware of this phenomenon:

https://www.mentalfloss.com/entertainment/tv/tommy-westphall-theory-unified-tv-universe-explained

https://thetommywestphall.wordpress.com/the-master-list/

https://nightingaledvs.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Tommy-Westphall-Universe.pdf

I've never actually seen St. Elsewhere lol

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Oh it's not just 80s shows, it's like every show. Including The Wire.

It's actually a pretty entertaining thing to read about.

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sh.itjust.works

Tell that to Gane of Thrones after the finale. People would go mental over the show while it was airing and immediately after the ending tarnished everything, they stopped talking about it completely. There's even a spin-off currently airing and still nobody ever brings up the show.

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lemmy.ca

Max Headroom could work, IFF they went full-bore with the mockery of media, corporatism-as-government and cynical view of advertising. Though the desolation inside and outside the cities and the plight of 'blanks' might hit too close to home nowadays as it's pretty much a literal reality now.

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They did attempt a reboot decades ago and completely dropped the ball taking Max from a satirical commentary about mainstream media and capitalistic nonsense into basically a talking head for capitalistic nonsense.

The actual original show was way ahead of its time and that change to it is what killed it.

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Ow. That sounds horrible. I'm glad I'd never heard of it then, I guess. :(

I'm at the age now where I actually feel relieved if I hear news that Hollywood has decided not to go ahead with a prequel, remake, 're-imagining', or whatever... and I purposefully avoid now the ones that sound like they're going to be a disaster.

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I'll take the obvious one: We owe it to ourselves to never stop rebooting the 1990s classic SciFi, "Reboot".

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lemmy.world

Not a particular franchise, but I miss parody movies like Hot Shots or Airplane. Barring one of those being remade, I'd settle for a reboot of Tremors.

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Quite true, and I did enjoy it. I'm hopeful that its moderate success review-wise will mean others like it will get made (perhaps scifi parodies or spy film parodies).

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lemmy.world

My 10 year old and I just watched airplane! And started top secret this weekend.

The tower! The tower! Rapunzel! Rapunzel!

Johnny was fucking hilarious, by far the funniest character. I could imagine the stuff he'd be in today if he didn't pass away.

Oh and tremors 1 and 2 are in my top 20 favs.

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I wasn't really psyched about it tbh, plus I'm not really into horror in general so the references would be lost on me anyways.

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I saw that series a few weeks ago and I didn't like it. "Captain Planet starts killing" is a great premise, and I really liked it in the episode of Rick and Morty where Morty dates Planetina until she starts murdering coal miners.

But in the Cheadle version, he's just an asshole for no reason. I don't think Captain Planet is the right character to use for a "corrupting influence of power" story unless you're going to do a very nuanced critique of Soviet ideals.

I mean Homelander is also an asshole for no reason, but that story works, because he's a capitalist and an abuse victim. The story makes sense. It's telling us that capitalism and superheroes are incompatible. But what's Cheadle Planet telling us? That environmentalism and superheroes are incompatible? I don't believe that story. I have an easier time believing that environmentalism and pacifism are incompatible, like in Rick and Morty. But I don't think environmentalism and being a good person are incompatible.

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lemmy.zip

Oh yes! I would watch the shit out of a Gritty Space Ghost movie. That's an opening night theater ticket purchase, for me.

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lemmy.world

I always thought that every 30 years they should reboot back to the future. No connection to the original in terms of production team or cast. The writer and director can’t be old enough to have many memories of the time (Zemeckis and Gale were both 4 in 1955)

Just someone doing their own take on “teenager goes back in time and meets their parents as teenagers”

See how the “past” of 30 years ago compares to the “present” of the previous version

Long term, that could be a really interesting experiment

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I make no prescriptions beyond the first. No objection if they do, but i think “what will the near future look like” is more common and therefore less interesting

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Since 2016, I've wanted a Back To The Future remake just to have a scene where Doc Brown disbelieves Donald Trump is president like the original had him disbelieve Ronald Reagan was president

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I seem to remember that bttf has some kind of binding agreement or such that someone from the og movies put into place that they can’t/won’t reboot it.

We did get the adventure game from telltale. Which was pretty good. (Did a lot of stuff with the storyline and it had og cast doing voices).

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Yes! And Huey Lewis and the News show up in each film to tell the teenager that their music is too loud.

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Also, for anyone who missed it, because I missed it, Back to the Future has continued in animation twice - once official, and again as Rick and Morty.

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l.roofo.cc

I miss black and white. Also I would like to play something like viva piñata.

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lemmy.world

I've wanted a vr black and white since Oculus first took off. Change view by pulling and pushing the world around.

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lemmy.zip

There are a few god games for VR like Townsmen and Deism.

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lemmy.world

Andromeda. Yeah, the Kevin Sorbo show.

The premise is actually great, and the overall plot until Robert Wolfe got pushed out showed a lot of promise. The poisonous factor largely came from Sorbo wanting to intentionally turn the show into campy trash, and TV executives who somehow agreed with him.

Reboot the show, get actors who won't sabotage production, and hire some half decent writers who want to do a Star Trek-like new franchise.

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lemmy.world

It was originally envisioned by Gene Roddenberry, hence the quality of the concept.

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lemmy.world

I'll be honest, I've no idea if that's a codemnation or an endorsement lol.

I like Trek just fine, but it almost entirely stems from catching TNG episodes on daytime TV growing up, as well as the memes. My understanding was that TNG didn't start to get gud until Roddenberry had largely been sidelined.

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I've seen this a lot in popular sci-fi. George Lucas did it, Gene Roddenberry did it, Steven Moffat did it.

They have great ideas, they make excellent media...with a team that can on occasion say no.

I remember, I had that VHS set of Star Wars back in the 90s, the one that's basically the theatrical cut except in 480i, each tape started with an interview with Lucas about what a genius he is. You can find interviews with the cast at the time about how off the rail he already was; Mark Hamill talks about undeliverable lines, his then wife basically saved it in the edit. Star Wars hit mythical status, Lucas was elevated to the rank of turbogod, when it came time to produce the prequel trilogy in the late 90s and early 2000s, what we got was the most disappointing thing since my son.

Steven Moffat wrote many of the best episodes of 21st century Dr. Who. As a showrunner, he is physically incapable of calming his goddamn tits. All he does is shout at you about how awesome the main character is, and over-produce inconsequential shots. There's an episode of Sherlock that takes place at Watson's wedding, it's basically one long monologue by Sherlock, the bridal photo scene is shot like the goddamn Matrix. The man can write! But he prefers to just say "He's the Dokta! He's the coolest and most badassest of the cool badasses. His dad could beat up your dad." And then spend the entire budget on wooshy camera effects.

Gene Roddenberry was a fantastic screenwriter, but by 1987 he was THE man. Series creator. He got a lot of what he wanted, and he wanted what any forward thinking progressive man in his twilight years wants: A group of vegan space socialists who are always right, and women in short little skirts. He was so into his vision of a post-scarcity utopia that he didn't allow character development, and he knew his boners were rapidly running out so he wanted to sex it up as much as he could. His health declined to the point the team took over, and the show got better. They realized the cast was so damn good that all of them could carry episodes, so they started formatting it as an ensemble cast where each main cast member is the star of a few episodes a season, and they made some of the best television ever broadcast.

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oh yea he hated the borg/ Parasites(OG borg), until the other showrunners, or directors said the fans love this concept. trek ended with enterprise, even if it wasnt that good, it was better than nutrek.

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He also helmed the original Trek Series and it was all his concept, in the same way Andromeda is a solid concept.

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it got gross when sorbo took over the show, he had this crazy idea of making trance as slutty as possible.

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lemmy.world

A lot of the ideas of andromeda ended up in the later seasons of star trek discovery

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i feel like STD, stole most of it from trek novels by fans. Picard was the most obvious one, "borg-human alliance" was from a book, the rogue CHANGELINGS was from another one. kurtzman has no original ideas.

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fedia.io

None. People need to move on and create new experiences. Recycling is for garbage.

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lemmy.world

Here's one out of left field- Bucky O'Hare

The franchise has been dormant for about 30 years, and even back then there wasn't that much established lore for a modern reboot to tiptoe around- a comic book that frankly not too many people read, a couple pretty good video games, and a Saturday morning cartoon made to sell toys, and there was little to no continuity between those different properties, you pretty much have free reign to go in and do whatever the hell you want with it.

And there's was some pretty good stuff in there to work with that's maybe even more relevant today than it was when it came out- plotlines about inept bureaucracy, imperialist/capitalist toads controlled by an AI, pollution, climate disruption, slavery, etc.

And the property was kind of hamstrung by its budget and stuff. I definitely enjoyed it as a kid, and when i went back to rewatch it a few years ago as an adult I thought it held up well enough but the animation and voice acting was definitely pretty janky at times, but even still it managed to have some bigger overarching story arcs. It also had a couple strong female characters without getting preachy about it, though there's certainly some room for improvement in how they were written.

And if nothing else, today we can probably count on the furry community to watch a show about a green rabbit space ship captain, a cat space witch, a 4 armed pirate duck, a muscly baboon, and their nerdy human audience surrogate.

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In addition, many 90s cartoons would work, not just Bucky O'Hare. There was a lot of good shit that only got 12-13 episodes and then was never heard of again between 1994 and 1999.

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lemmy.today

I’m surprised nostalgia hasn’t resurrected the Turtles knockoffs that sprung up- Battle Toads, Biker Mice from Mars, Street Sharks. Biker Mice probably has the strongest potential for an interesting story.

Captain Planet relaunched last year and is supposed to be live action soon. He ditched the mullet. The reviews of the comic are generally positive, it’s got the spirit of the cartoon show instead of nostalgia bait, the Planeteers have more realistic depth, Cap still preaches like it’s a Saturday morning PSA about separating your recycling.

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I think that’s the most true to form modern adaptation that could exist. He tried being inspiring 30yrs ago. Now, “fuck you”.

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The Venture Bros. The world building was massive for a show that started out as a Jonny Quest parody complete with supervillains/heroes, spies, politics between these groups, a deep history spanning over a century and mysterious characters that hinted at a deeper story. They were planning to do an arc using a Magneto analog voiced by Matt Berry and how he was dethroned by David Bowie. The entire series was written by two guys so it's likely the reboot's quality would still be great.

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All of them.. provided it is well written, well funded, the casting and marketed correctly..

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The Rifleman. A good old campy western series about a man and his son. I would love a modern neo-western re-imagining, but with the same father-son lessons on character and human dignity.

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100%. Great show, deserves another reboot.

And...Uh...in case you've slept on "The Mandelorian", be sure to give it a chance. Lol.

I guess "The Mandelorian" lacks some of the life lesson stuff. But the best things that make it great, it stole from "The Rifleman".

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I think we should reboot Arthur (PBS)

But, and get this, make it a gritty realist drama about Arthur the Aardvark coming to terms with the death of a loved one

And it would have to be 18+ of course.

And the finale should have an avengers team up of all the classic PBS characters, to beat up Mickey Mouse in a fistfight. No holds barred of course.

Final scene will be Arthur walking away without looking back as all that the series represented is destroyed systematically by reboot after reboot destroying all value from all entertainment and nothing original being made, and then a nuke goes off, and there's a cameo from SUPERMAN, MR ROGERS AND THE GREEN MEANIE

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IMO Stargate could use a reboot. I know a new series is in the works, and that this is supposedly a continuation rather than a reboot. But honestly I think I would prefer a clean reboot. I think this for two main reasons - contemporary relevance and power creep.

Stargate was unique in that it was a sci fi setting brought into our world. It's not the enlightened 24th century humans of Star Trek seeking out new civilizations and going where no one has gone before. It's some random US Air Force officers in our world today. People who could be your next door neighbor are visiting space aliens and fighting for the survival of humanity, and you're completely oblivious. And as the series went on, the post-9/11 environment definitely was reflected in the Stargate world as well. So many of its themes explored anxieties of that era.

But now? Too much time has passed. The technology introduced by the events of the show would have percolated out into wider society and had such an impact that the Stargate world and our world don't really resemble our own anymore. Maybe the new series will make it work. But that show was such a thing of its time, I think a complete reimagining would be the best way to bring it into the present.

Second, simple narrative power creep. As the story advances, humanity gathers artifacts and technologies. Now, one very cool difference between Stargate and Star Trek is that Stargate actually remembered its lore. In Star Trek, the ship's doctor or chief engineer will invent a miraculous new technology or medical treatment, inventions that should have massive world-shifting implications...and then be promptly forgotten about. In one episode of TNG they discover a transporter effect that turns adults into children. Yet no one is later seen using transporters as a fountain of youth. In Stargate, the teams discover alien artifacts, meet and make alien allies, vanquish alien foes, etc. The official standing orders of the whole operation are to go through the gate and acquire new technology. And those technologies show up later in the show! Over the course of the show, humanity slowly grows from contemporary humans to a galactic-level power having acquired the complete technological and historical records of two of the most powerful races to have ever existed. They're defeating literal gods at the end of SG1.

It was an amazing journey to go along. Hell, I grew up with that story. It was an epic journey to go down. Yet, it's hard to see where you could credibly go from there. The power levels were already ridiculous at the end.

I would like to see a completely new SG1. In this setting, the Stargate program is started not in 1992, but in 2026. (Hell, you could canonically make it an alternate reality. Inter-reality travel was canonically established. So there would still be a way to do cameos of characters from previous series. Hell, feel free to really shake it up. Who says the aliens they meet out in the stars have to be exactly the same as in the original show? Alternate reality. Alternate history. Alternate aliens. This would allow the show to have a sense of genuine mystery even among those who watched the previous series. And it being an entirely alternate version of the creation of the SGC would allow a story to be told that better reflects our current times.

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lemmy.world

Imagine the Crimson Skies (game) universe but with a more interesting story.

Sorry if you liked the plot, I loved the game but the story wasn’t particularly memorable for me.

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sh.itjust.works

Teen Titans original would be my go to.

They attempted a reboot that didn't hold the the water because it didn't follow the main storyline, or the main personalities. Honestly the fact they used the original voice actors in it was just a slap to the face to the fanbase.

If they rebooted it properly that could defo take off.

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lemmy.world

The problem with the reboot wasn't that it was bad or didn't follow storylines, was that it was made for a different audience than the original show and/or comics and then forgot to tell that old audience. Watching it from the outside, it was hilarious and well written.

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I personally didn't like the humor in it but, I agree with your statement that it was made for a diff audience without letting legacy fans know.

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the hbo series, they barely did anything in those 4 seasons, the animated ones were more entertaining, at least with the movies too.

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I would love a Motherland: Fort Salem spin-off show either set in the Cession or in some other part of the world that's not the USA. I could always watch another CSI show, but this time the characters from Miami and New York should be the ones making cameos

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lemmy.today

Sometimes I wonder if Austin Powers could make another movie where the main heroine he works with is a trans woman.

Also one of the main henchman is a beefy/huge trans man. And there's a scene where Austin tries to kick the henchman in the balls. And the henchman just smiles and laughs and proceeds to beat up Austin.

I couldn't tell ya how the rest of the movie would go but I thought I'd be interesting to see.

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we definitely need atleast 1 more austin powers movie while Myers is still with us

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Bring back Megaman Volnutt. With Capcom going through remake frenzy nowadays i'm surprised Megaman Legend didn't get mentioned.

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lemmy.world

SimCity, probably. Skylines 2 is coming around and is headed in the right direction, but it's been a slow burn.

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City Skylines 2, like everything new from paradox interactive, is there to be milked and bloated with 20€ DLCs. Lots of things from the predicesor missing

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Lost any interest in Skylines once I learned it's not a real simulation and some people teleport to work when you're not looking

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piefed.zip

some cunt probably has a rosie and jim horror ready to go the second the copyright expires

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infosec.pub

Jumper, great film, lots of material already written.

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Great point! I enjoyed the movie, but not as much as I would have enjoyed a movie that respected the book, more.

A one or two season mini series would be amazing, and really wouldn't even cost much to make.

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How about Max Payne. Those game mechanics have never been copied or revisited. Which is crazy to me.

Spore. I mean, such an ambitious game that was completely hampered by the technology of the time. And never revisited ever again.

Also... Night rider.

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maybe SG1, but being only 10 episodes and showrunned by gero doesnt give me high hopes, scifi needs proper 20 episodes to flesh out the characters and develop stories, studios penny pinch way too much that sacrifices the quality of many shows. they really shouldve started in a new galaxy, rather than milky way(which already had ori, goauld as the major enemies for the whole series, and a little wraith), which is done to death. if its re imagined series like with bsg. since they mentioned they want to broaden the "audience", sgu did that and it suffered badly. i assume broadening means something similar to sgu original target audience witht he element of trying to keep up with modern issues?

i dont think trek needs anymore reboots, it needs some hibernation, and let someone other paramount/or someone like kurtzman owning the rights to showrun, what paaramount+ is doing is churning out nutrek slop after slop.

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I’m still waiting for Mindhunter, but without Fincher, I don’t know if it will ever be the same.

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Sam and Max freelance police, comics or cartoons or games I'm in for whatever. Monkey island and day of the tentacle too from the same era adventure games those were great and the monkey island reboot and late sequel were fun too.

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In the 90s jn the uk UK on weekend mornings you got classic US TV shows but in black and white (presumably as part of an old licensing agreement).

Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, Time Tunnel, The Invaders, and so on.

Land Of The Giants is the only one of those that hasn't had a similar concept done in more recent years. That I know of.

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