Spyke
lemmy.vg

this just in: company enshittifies product and doesn't give a fuck about you, only money. More at 10.

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I think they’re keeping it around as a dirty little secret that either leadership doesn’t acknowledge or they realize it’s the last bastion of their power user base.

To that end, I hope it sticks around for a while, but if they ever get rid of it, I think the only ones left would be noobs and bots.

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I thrive on the old subdomain, yeah. The new form with variable popup-like post frames depending on how you approached the content is barely even tolerable, and certainly much less appealing.

By the way, Slide works really well (again); that's the mobile app that I use. You just have to go through the steps to list yourself as an app developer and claim it's your app, which the current Slide maintainer literally instructs you to do to use the app lol. It's great and cuts through all the crap. However, I'm really trying to be more active here across Lemmy, all the same. If Old and the remaining mobile apps like Slide go, then I'm totally out.

3

there's a handful of mobile apps that work very well, i assume, using a embedded browser, no ads, minimal interface, not hard to find

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lemmy.world

If you are still active on Reddit after all the enshitification, you are enshitified and getting furious is no longer an option.

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andros_rexreply
lemmy.world

Unfortunately it’s captured a lot of information and resources.

Think about crafting - I’m going to find a lot more knitting tutorials on Reddit than I will here. Lemmy is very like early Reddit, where it’s only really active on topics like politics and technology.

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lemmy.world

What do you need to craft in your life besides building the perfect Linux distro? /s

On a side note, how do you find Reddit vs Ravelry for knitting?

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Two toooootally different formats.

Ravelry is a archive (want to know the attributes of any yarn or errata on any pattern ever?), project journal, occasionally interactive (imo the forum/groups can be dead).

Knittit is just FO’s and chat (chat good for exchanging technique knowledge).

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lemmy.world

And a LOT of really odd niche stuff. The biggest nerds migrated to here.

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To be fair, I was totally lost even as a Reddit veteran, for quite a while, which is why my adoption to Lemmy was slow. It took me a very long time to really start to understand how the federation worked, and I still would not say I'm an expert in any way.

I still need to use mobile apps' auto-fill features to help myself properly tag users and communities on other instances, an issue I never one had on Reddit.

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yucandureply
lemmy.world

Just search on one of the AIs that scraped Reddit.

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yucandureply
lemmy.world

I'm sorry were we not just talking about trying to get back on Reddit?

Enough with the anti-AI bs, it's cringe.

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lemmy.ca

Enough with pretending AI is useful for looking things up, it's cringe.

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yucandureply
lemmy.world

It's a lot more than using Reddit's search engine.

0

No-one uses Reddit's search engine unless there's a specific reason to.

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lemmy.ca

I'd rather use Reddit than AI, yes.

If someone says something incorrect on Reddit there's a good chance there's someone pointing it out. AI will insist it is correct when it tells you "strawberry" has 2 "R's".

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yucandureply
lemmy.world

If someone says something incorrect on Reddit there's a good chance there's someone pointing it out.

There's a very small chance of someone pointing it out. There's a better chance they'll be downvoted. There's an even better chance someone right will be downvoted and someone pointing out their mistake, incorrectly, will be upvoted.

You can't be serious if you're telling me you're going to use Reddit comments as a reliable source of information, but then ideologically object to the idea of using an LLM for the same purpose.

AI will insist it is correct when it tells you "strawberry" has 2 "R's".

Have you used AI in the past year?

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You can't be serious if you're telling me you're going to use Reddit comments as a reliable source of information, but then ideologically object to the idea of using an LLM for the same purpose.

I'm saying Reddit is more reliable than AI. I agree with you that you shouldn't just trust Reddit as a reliable source of information, I just trust AI much less.

Have you used AI in the past year?

Yes yes, someone has hard-coded a fix for the strawberry thing. It's still an excellent example of the root issue:

  1. it was a thing everybody knew was incorrect and they could see how AI dealt with it: guessing, and then insisting it made no mistakes.
    If I can't trust it for basic information I can double check myself then why the fuck would I trust it for information I can't verify myself?

  2. everytime something like this comes up it gets "fixed", sure. Someone hard codes a correct answer to the specific question that everyone can easily see is incorrect. Why the fuck would I assume that's happening for some obscure thing that I don't immediately know is incorrect?
    Sure, it's probably not telling people to put glue on pizza anymore, because everyone who reads that knows it's a bad idea. How do I know it's not suggesting something equally stupid when I ask it how to rewire a thermostat, something that the majority of people won't immediately clock as "that will burn your house down"?

LLMs are really good at sounding smart to people who don't know when it is very wrong.

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KairuBytereply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Current outlook issues are currently being talked about at length over on r/Outlook, and last I searched no one had even mentioned it on Lemmy.

There are definitely some legit reasons people still go there.

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limerreply
lemmy.ml

Who on lemmy uses outlook???

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lemmy.ml

Loving FOSS and being able to use it are different things - plenty of people are required to use outlook at work.

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jballsreply
sh.itjust.works

I use Outlook for work, but it will be a cold day in hell when you catch me reading an Outlook subreddit

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I understand why people on lemmy look at the outlook subreddit. Sometimes they have to use it at work, and outlook breaks in difficult to understand ways. Poor chaps

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lemmy.world

Literally anyone who works at a company they don't own with more than 20 employees.

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lemmy.world

That sounds like a work problem on the work computer for the work IT people to fix. Don't get tricked into fixing the boss's electronics for free on your own time!

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Good news! 70+% of the exorbitant costs your company is paying for these services are strictly for the benefit of having a big, prominent 3rd party to blame and throat to choke.

Make Microsoft fix it! That should be fun.

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My personal email is neither. I use a very small company that's located in a different country and who speaks a different language. It is a paid service but the cost is very small.

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I view Reddit for that kind of stuff, still. But don't participate.

At risk of posting a long list of grievences, well, I'm not giving them my engagement. And for reference/issue stuff, you largely don't need it.

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iktreply
aussie.zone

I mean yeah, if i can't browse reddit on my mobile browser I guess i'll just have to find something else to do but i just checked then and it still worked

I like lemmy but there is just not enough content, it's like if reddit was youtube, lemmy is dailymotion, there's just not enough content for me to stick just here

the main comm I use on reddit is [email protected] and it's completely dead here :\

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lemmy.world

I like lemmy but there is just not enough content, it's like if reddit was youtube, lemmy is dailymotion, there's just not enough content for me to stick just here

Well, "Be the change you want to see in the world." - Ghandi. Keep cross-posting stuff from there to here. It takes real work to build up massive, highly active communities. Lemmy is a nonprofit so it doesn't have the marketing power of Reddit. We have to grow it ourselves and usage is the biggest way.

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iktreply
aussie.zone

i have nearly 3000 comments, this is the same number of comments as i made on reddit in 15 years, i have over 1000 posts which is 990 more than i made on reddit

in 2 years the population of aussie.zone has gone from 158 daily active users to 155

it is what it is

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Dang... That sucks... Pin a paper saying "Leave Reddit for Aussie.zone" to community bulletin boards over there, maybe lol!

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Malycareply
lemmy.zip

I'm new and enjoying the rarity of morons compared to Reddit.

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aussie.zone

There’s also people who are and have been involved in interests for a long time that are well covered by discussion on Reddit and Facebook.

We like to give these networks shit and justifiably so but unfortunately there are no genuine alternatives for things like Marketplace, Facebook groups and subreddits in terms of complex discussion.

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literature.cafe

I buy used all the time and once never used fb marketplace. I promise you it's easier to replace than reddit.

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luxadazyreply
lemmy.zip

until people start posting their relationship melodrama on lemmy, i’ll still be lurking reddit unfortunately. i need my soaps.

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TastyWheatreply
lemmy.world

"I stole my girlfriend's dog and emptied her bank account without her knowledge and now she's mad at me for some reason. AITA?"

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"My (25F) bf (61M) burned down my house after he got mad at me for 'not being servile enough'. I asked him to please consider thinking about a plan to try not to do this again, but he won't promise. This seems wrong but I'm not sure. AIO?"

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Theres only so much one man can do to prop up a community. Reddit is still where you have to go for anything even remotely niche, since Reddit is thousands of times the size of the Fediverse. For example, if you wanted to get an alternative to the Dota 2 subreddit, you'd need a community maybe a 10th the size of Reddit's Dota 2 community - equivalent to 5% of the Fediverse posting on a weekly basis. Right now, its roughly 0.0004% of the Fediverse, for reference.

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Wouldn’t that mean someone who likes enshitification? Which is what OP implied. But using the term enshitified means the person themselves has gone through the enshitification process. Maybe then one implies the other?

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thelemmy.club

Is this platform the best alternative?

I genuinely miss having discussions with Maga people. Even though the conversations are rarely productive, I still have hope that my comments will sometimes give that person (or a Maga lurker) some food for thought that could potentially get the ball rolling for them to eventually find rationality and basic decency.

However, I haven’t found any places to have those types of civil conversations on here.

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Let me try to help.

Listen up, blue hair, soy boy, beta cuck. I'll gladly pay out the ass for gas so trans people don't get to place 4th place in college badminton that I was previously unaware of.

Does that do it for you?

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I might if I could figure out how to log into their fucking app. Apparently you can't log in with a username anymore?

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lemmy.wtf

Thank fuck I said goodbye to that place. A shame to see such a fantastic online community be murdered by capitalists try to squeeze money out of it, but probably inevitable.

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Dr. Moosereply
lemmy.world

I still remember the first secret santa events on reddit. Some of the best internet times in history imo.

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Iyeah those were fun. The original place, Reddit Mold, they were pretty creative.

I got stood up by my original secret Santa in like 2011 and the replacement hand knitted me a scarf!

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lemmy.world

The saddest part is it didn't need to be.

Imagine if, instead of going for an IPO and all this, they operated it as a non-profit? If they just tried to be a cool place for users, like it was for 10 or 15 years already.

Instead they have to drain the blood out of it and sell it for parts and wonder why it died.

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The investors aren't wondering why it died, they're wondering why they waited so long to kill it for profit before moving onto another thing to kill for profit. They know enough about business to know their actions will destroy the site, but they also know that the money they make just beforehand is enough to make a good return on their investment before they leave. That's the issue with making a system motivated by profit; it's profitable to run a business well for a long time, but it's even more profitable to run it poorly for a short time and then leave.

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Appoxoreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Same here. I only browse it every now and then to get away from the hyper politics on Lemmy (either extremes are not good for the psyche).
But the quality on reddit is staggeringly low.
The comments don't have the vibe like on lemmy.
I wouldnt call it "hollow" but it's close or adjacent to it. Maybe superficial?
Too bad the non-political/non-technical communities are kinda dead here :/

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lemmy.zip

The comments don't have the vibe like on lemmy.
I wouldnt call it "hollow" but it's close or adjacent to it. Maybe superficial?

Bots?

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Also people are a lot more protective about their karma so it tends to make everyone into a weird homogeneous blob too scared to say anything that goes against the grain

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That's what is surprising to me: They didnt exactly feel like bots.
For example r/sysadmin feels very bot-like. Same for AskReddit (very engagement baity. Sort of like the AskLemmy versions here that feel like bots trying to get very weird research answers).
Same for r/selfhosted.

Other subs do not feel like the bots they are frequenting. But it's still very distant.
Sort of like a conversation in a rural vs metropolitan area.

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corodiusreply
lemmy.world

Literally, any time I have been on there lately (which is much less often) it is very obvious the majority of replies in large communities are bots/AI slop. It is so ridiculous and sad to see what it has become.

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lemmy.zip

The 50 or so top replies on pretty much every post are always a combination of the same 10 jokes and reaction gifs, plus hundreds of bots replying to those instead of the OP.

Any time a serious question is asked you have to scroll halfway down the page to get to an answer. It's just not a usable site anymore if you want actual human input and opinions.

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The 50 or so top replies on pretty much every post are always a combination of the same 10 jokes and reaction gifs

It's been that way for a long, long time now.

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Fair Fairyreply
thelemmy.club

Whispering slurs from your mom's basement don't help.

Bros we need a better lemmy plan.

More content. And making spez super sad and poor.

Someone needs to build a Firefox extension to periodically poll best content from subreddits they like and automatically repost to lemmy. Automatically.
So there are tons more content on lemmy. U get it?

Not self hosted docker - most people won't bother setting up residential proxies and fight bans, no - just a real browser, simple extension and simple settings, with legit ublock and auto reposting to lemmy. This way people don't have to do shit and content would just transfer.

It's fair use because it's for ai.

This will make spez sad and poorer. Let's do this

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MrRandomreply
lemmy.zip

I get what you say, but people already mirror Reddit posts on Lemmy, and post Lemmy content on Reddit

5

It works really well for me actually. Every time that mobile app begpost comes up it's a great reminder that I shouldn't even be looking at Reddit at all. Cut down my doomscrolling on my phone immediately.

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I got permabanned this week for saying "Poor white people are being tricked into blaming black/brown/trans people for their problems instead of billionaires."

Apparently it was promoting hate based speech and attacks.

Reddit was kinda neat 15 years ago, it's a fucking cesspool now.

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lemmy.world

Many of us here stopped a while back. For me, it was the API thing a couple of years ago. But it's still useful to check reddit website for info - there's just so many answers to so many questions on there. But fuck using their app.

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Then there's some of us who simply got kicked out of the Reddit realm altogether

7

I would have switched sooner if I had known about lemmy, but been here over a year now.

7

The way they are banning people for barely nothing, people will be stopping using it quickly

6

Once again I am reminded of an old coworker. He'd talk a good game about caring about things, but when it came to the slightest inconvenience he'd dither and usually just do the basic thing. Still an avid reddit user, last I heard.

5

there are too many hyper local subs on there to stop reading it entirely... I'd love to even get state level channels on lemmy, but there are only a few.

1

This wouldn't bother me at all if reddit didn't appear at the top of almost every damn question I Google nowadays. Why are you pushing reddit for answers if you won't let me see them?

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lemmy.world

We can yell into the abyss all we want, but the abyss isn't yelling back.

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JennaR8rreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Our niche interest communities are slowly being formed on the Fediverse, but if nobody participates then 🤷🏼‍♀️

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lemmy.zip

Yep, I remember when I first joined Lemmy, you'd be lucky if your post got 2 comments. I recently posted on a car group here and got about as much engagement as I would have on r*ddit.

I like it here, I like our community. Feels like a comic con in a small city. "I wish people at this con would talk about Squirrel Girl" maybe you should set up a booth. Same applies here.

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robocallreply
lemmy.world

I made a couple baseball buddies on Lemmy. Niche communities on Lemmy aren't pointless.

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lemmy.world

The birding community is active enough for me. Honestly, I dont want modern day reddit experience in my niche communities. Theyre... Disrespectful? Lots of armchair experts who parrot internet takes and philosophies to get massive upvotes, and the hive mind mentality downvotes counter perspective. I love fly fishing, but damn do I hate the fly fishing subreddits.

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I'll agree to that. Hobby communities on reddit are typically newbies repeating information they read elsewhere on repeat. I've been playing high level hockey since I was a kid and I'll take a peak at the hockey players subreddit. I saw a guy who had been playing for a year telling someone who was brand new to the sport about kick points on a stick. This guy will never reach a level where kick points are something that will affect your shot, but he's out here giving advice.

Don't even get me started on the cycling subreddit.

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lemmy.world

I'll agree to that. It's just the first part where you are the only person sucks. Specifically with local communities.

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robocallreply
lemmy.world

I'm ok with expressing my opinions into the void on Lemmy and nobody listening. They weren't actually listening on reddit anyway.

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That's how I met my friend Mephistopheles Mammon when I was in the Parisian catacombs. Dude owes me $50.

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kintherreply
lemmy.world

Yeah came to say the same. I have a few subreddits I still lurk in because lemmy doesn't have the largest communities on that topic yet. I imagine it is only a matter of time before old reddit is gone.

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i lurk on youtubers fan subs, the ones that arnt controlled by youtubers themselves(to deflect criticism)

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Agreed. I was all confused AF until I realized that people don’t automatically use it, or using the auto-redirect apps that help prevent New Reddit from ever showing its face.

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lemmy.world

Hey man! I just bought a used travel trailer. I pick it up in a week and a half. We still have to sit down with the sales guy for the final extended warranty pitch. Two questions:

  1. Are the extended warranties offered by the dealership worth it? I would assume anything major that goes wrong will happen on the road and i'll be stuck getting repairs done in Iowa or some shit.

  2. Do you have any experience with harvest hosts? Is it easy to use and worth the cost? Hows the host availability.

I got a 21ft geo pro. Probably too big for a lot of boondocking, but i still plan to boondock it as much as possible. I dont love the idea of always being at KOAs and such.

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programming.dev

Are the extended warranties offered by the dealership worth it?

Not in my opinion but it depends how you’ll be using the trailer. The thing people don’t expect is that warranty work gets last priority. When you bring in the trailer for warranty work, there is no new revenue for the dealership. So the trailer will just sit there on the lot, possibly for months, waiting until the repair guys have literally nothing else to do, before they will actually start work on it.

This is super unprofessional but seems to be the industry norm.

If you’re only going to use the trailer a couple times a year maybe this is fine, but if you use it a lot and you need to be back on the road fast then it makes the warranty basically unusable.

Plus also what you said, unless you bought from a national dealer the warranty will not help you with emergency roadside stuff. But mostly when things break it won’t stop you from towing the trailer — you would just finish your vacation with no refrigerator or whatever which is annoying but not fatal.

I live in mine full-time. When things break that I can’t fix myself my first choice is a mobile tech so I don’t have to get a hotel while they fix it.

Do you have any experience with harvest hosts?

No, I haven’t tried it. Some people seem to like it a lot, other people complain. 🤷

I got a 21ft geo pro. Probably too big for a lot of boondocking, but i still plan to boondock it as much as possible. I dont love the idea of always being at KOAs and such.

21’ is not too big for boondocking. The thing about boondocking is you have to somehow know where to find a good spot. iOverlander website is good for that. Out west, especially in the desert, there are lots of places on public land where there is a usable gravel road with big cleared sites that anyone can get to in any size RV. Other places where it rains more, not so much — tight twisty potholed dirt roads through the forest with little carve-out spots between trees are not good for big setups. Regional parks, state parks, natural forest parks, and national parks are often pretty awesome. There’s also a lot of RV parks out in the middle of nowhere that can be super nice and park-y — shout out to La Conner thousand trails in WA, Pacific City thousand trails in OR, “The Narrows” in Maine — but very hit or miss; some are just a parking lot, too. KOA is convenient and consistent but expensive. We use them when they’re the closest campground to someplace we want to be visiting (just got out of three days at KOA near my sister in law) but yeah if you like boondocking then KOA will not be a fun destination for you.

Good luck, have fun, don’t cheap out on the hose you use for dumping your black tank.

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Thanks a bunch for the words of wisdom.

In terms of not having niche communities on Lemmy, I think it's the Field of Dreams situation -- but im generally too lazy to build it.

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Reached for comment, the company instead offered a puzzling explanation: that the site-breaking popup is for users’ own good.

Fuck you reddit, fuck /u/spez!

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lemmy.world

RIP reddit. We knew this day would come. At least Spez will have plenty of bot accounts to keep him company.

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mander.xyz

To me, it died when they allowed users to hide their post and comment history. Enables bots and bad faith behavior.

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lemmy.world

It died many deaths. But the decision to IPO was the start of this enshitified slide.

9

yea IPO started downward spiral, than they start massively purging in anticipation of trumps presidency, and then Musk start attacking subs criticizing him, which spez obliged by banning subs, or purging large amounts of accounts.

4

also harder to accuse them of using AI as well, since we know reddit loves all the AI on it , so they can train thier llms(googles and openai) and to prevent people from reporting propaganda accounts too often.

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lemmy.ml

Well, old.reddit.com still works fine on Safari mobile anyway. Just tested it out of curiosity. Wonder how long until they try and lock that one down too?

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Thalesreply
sh.itjust.works

Spez specifically said they’ll never depreciate old Reddit.

So look for it to vanish in the not too distant future.

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Asafumreply
lemmy.world

That's literally what I've been doing. If I have a question and reddit pops up as the source of an answer I just change the URL to add .old.reddit.

Fuck reddit though.

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Old Reddit Redirect is one of the essential addons I install on a fresh Firefox.

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lemmy.world

None of this would be a issue if the lazy fucks would migrate to other platforms like Lemmy etc, right now this app is very limited compared to all the various subreddits, people need to start making replicas of the popular and niche subreddits and make it easier for people to migrate

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i've tried to create communities both with my piefed account and my old one but i don't know how. i guess I'm not able to

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1984reply
lemmy.today

I would argue that Lemmy.world has even more strict rules than reddit. At least it seems like that sometimes. Certain topics are just deleted.

I think Lemmy is decent for memes and entertainment but I dont think it can serve as a proper discussion site. The moderation wouldnt work. Unpaid moderators cant keep this place open for good discussions because it requires too much effort. But its good for memes. I like Lemmy in that way. Its positive and fun.

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linguinusreply
lemmy.zip

How is the moderation landscape any different on Lemmy vs Reddit? Aren't Reddit moderators all unpaid too?

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I think so, but people want to do it for a high profile site like reddit. Not so much for Lemmy.

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Yeah I never seen anything crazy on .world except some mistakes and a few power tripping community mods but nowhere near what reddit is. Maybe OP is thinking of .ml which is an absolute shithole in every sense of the word.

Either way that's the entire point of decentralization - you can just hop on a different server.

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Probably transphobia tbh. That's a hot button issue across Lemmy, as it should be.

The person you're replying to might be conflating .world with .ml or one of the other authoritarian left instances. On those criticizing any world power other than the US is called out as racism.

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lemmy.world

I like how reddit allows moderators to just ban users with basically no appeal process.

What a great business plan. Allow randoms to decide who gets to keep being a customer

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who gets to keep being a customer

Reddit's users are products not customers.

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MrRandomreply
lemmy.zip

got a lot of accounts banned for ban evation. I can keep making new ones, create a couple of shitposts and you got enough karma to continue where you left

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lemmy.world

It's hard to make a new account and not get flagged instantly.

You have to change ip address. Email, even the device you use

I can't be bothered anymore so now I just don't use reddit

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lemmy.world

You have to change ip address. Email, even the device you use

Oh no, it might take a whole minute.

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Appoxoreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

It will take one reboot of my router or one reset of the WAN-interface.

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PhoenixDogreply
lemmy.world

Reddit still fingerprints your device.

I'm permabanned on reddit. I have a VPN that changes my IP every day or so. If I make a new account on my phone or pc it's banned within a few hours.

Until I get a new phone or pc I can't make an account. It knows the device, not just the IP.

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Idk what you are doing to make that neccessary (and am too afraid to ask)

I was site banned as well but made a new account a very short time after the ban and have yet to be banned again.

But it makes sense they are fingerprinting your device somehow to prevent ban-evasion.

Only way I could see is only visiting the page within a obfuscated/very private OS (like Tails?) or a browser that fully wipes and obfuscates any connection between hardware and browser.

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PhoenixDogreply
lemmy.world

You needing an entirely new device, like a completely different computer, just takes a whole minute?

Do you just have spare PC's laying around your house?

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By new device you mean useragent, cookies and browser fingerprint? I got plenty of those. Or do you think reddit can somehow identify your actual device?

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I don't know, I think letting your unpaid product managers have a little bit of leeway in curating the product line probably isn't the most irrational decision, otherwise they'd have to have to review the decisions and make policies and that'd take paid employees or development.

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Why??? I will tell you my non expert opinion.

Reddit makes money by selling data to advertisement companies. Users that aren't logged in are probably hard to track. They probably have a bunch of untargeted data they can't sell for much.

Reddit does not actually care about the end users experience. They want you to use their site enough to provide them with sellable data. It's like Facebook. Facebook could show you your friends posts in chronological order everyday but instead they throw in all this spam on your feed to keep you on the app. They can see what you're interested in. If all you do is 'like' your friends baby pictures then that data would be hard to sell.

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feddit.org

I'm not getting that pop-up but it's probably blocked by my browser. I'll still continue to use it in my browser while also using Lemmy. I hope more people are going to join the Fediverse due to this.

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mesareply
piefed.social

I find it does this off and on. If you change the user agent or open the site in desktop mode itvsuddenly goes away. They are still tryingbto push the app. And the app still looks terrible. Rif used to be my jam.

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lemmy.world

I don't know why they bitch....they're just going right back. weak

21

it takes some people mnay attempts to get out of an abusive relationship

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JennaR8rreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

I'm so glad I was permabanned with no possible way to ever login under any new or existing username ever again. That's the only way they could keep me away. It's been healthy for me.

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Tiralreply
lemmy.zip

I'm in the same boat. I've had more productive conversations/debates with people on here in 6 months than 12 years on reddit.

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lemmy.today

I agree as far as politics, but for everything else I like - music, guitars, cats, animals - Lemmy is sadly lacking.

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JennaR8rreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

I agree. There are some extremely niche subreddits that I dearly miss & wish I could participate in.

2

Yep. I just got permabanned last week and for the most part don't care. But I had created a small sub that I miss ☹️ very niche, won't be able to do it again.

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One thing I like about Lemmy is I'm less prone to doom scrolling. I just make a few comments a day and monitor the results. Their server limitations serve as an incentive to make a less addictive product.

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lemmy.today

same here, but there is a way to login, you just cant use the same IP/device, or browsers. more sophisticated ones you can run dozens of accounts on the same device(but this is more complicated. reddit is so oppressive it sniffs out alternatives ways to evade its filters.(this more for the spammers who drop thier OF ads/or driving people to thier own sites)

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I haven't tried it yet but I thought the only way I can try to make a new Reddit user name is logging in on the library computer but even libraries require you register your photo ID with them and then your identity is linked to your library card, so surely reddit & Google & every platform can identify everyone regardless of logging in on new computers, right? That's my speculation.

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"it just works"

Same thing why people still use Microsoft, Still pay for Netflix, spotify, etc. It sucks but it just works for them. They also don't want to "learn" something new and/or different.

Plus people just love to complain, misery loves company.

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lemmy.world

The annoying thing about the app was that it copied Facebook and constantly spammed my feed with subreddits I was not subscribed to. I used an alternative app for a while and that worked ok. It is so annoying when Facebook and the like constantly force you to follow pages and groups you are not interested in.

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lemmy.zip

You can change that in the settings where your feed is only the subreddits you subscribe to. You'll still see the stupid little ads but you won't get posts from other subreddits you don't subscribe to or that reddit thinks it needs to suggest to you. The only reason I still use reddit is because there's a handful of subs I frequent that there are no equivalent on Lemmy. Plus I have a small group chat of friends.

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lemmy.world

Unfortunately or fortunately perhaps, I am banned from reddit. The reason was for reporting too many posts. Mods never cared about any of the rule breakers. They claimed I was trying to break the site by reporting posts too much. So I got banned without warning. Oh well.

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I got a 7 day ban a few months ago because someone posted some NSFW spam to one of the niche subs I frequent so I jokingly said "that ass needs to be slapped" and within a minute I got the ban for "inciting violence". Reddit has gotten absolutely ridiculous with bans at the admin level.

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Everything about their app is annoying. For them to be so late to their own party and deliver something so sub-par is impressive. It was nearly impossible to use for anything other than doom scrolling.

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I read ghislaine maxwell is back as a moderator on world news ... and why the hell isn't america going after the youth obsessed model world full of predators? Hello its time for frickin regulations

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lemmy.zip

Surprised there isn't a Firefox add-on that literally just loads the reddit site's HTML like the browser usually does and then moves all the shit around to a more mobile-friendly layout.

Wait, IS THERE such an add-on?

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Don't need, just request the desktop site, read the post, then close the page without interacting or reading more content. They're doing us a favor

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This is every companies dark patterns.

Guess who doesn't intentially ruin user experience ? Foss .

Well, most of them... Can't be perfect.

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lemmy.world

Fuck Spez, but also, is this is amateur hour?

First off, don't use new Reddit. Second, run Reddit in desktop mode. Third, use a browser like Firefox so you can run RES and UBlock Origin.

Congratz, Reddit as it should be is fully functional on your phone.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

on iphone there are no browser extensions except in safart (im keeping this typo) their dogshit browser

they force all browsers to use applewebkit engine

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MrRandomreply
lemmy.zip

old.reddit works on mobile, but you need 1 Firefox extension the fixes the mobile styling.

And you're using old reddit with RES like the good old days, but on mobile.

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i had this perfect on chrome til one day it just went to desktop styling and now i gotta zoom in on every comment

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lemmy.world

Is that why lemmy.world is now shitting the bed every third load like it's under a DDOS?

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Oh shit, it all makes sense now. Was on .world earlier this morning and thought DDOS for sure. Slow af and dropping requests.

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You know I was a multi time a day user, I had lot of favorite subreddits, I accidentally posted in a sub that I had been "banned" in from my other account (for making a comment that was not particularly political and they said it was), it was not malicious, was not intentional, was not trying to "get around their ban" just accidently posted from the wrong account. Didn't notice what sub I was in. Then 4 months later I did the same thing not, I was just not paying attention to what sub I made a casual offhanded comment in. I ALSO happened to be using a VPN. And BAM! IP banned, all 8 of my accounts banned even my business account. I was so so so upset. But now a month later, I still get kinda upset that I can't use it to ask questions. but man what a fucking time suck it was. My brain was just rotting away there. That whole IP banning thing is total bullshit.

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unalivejoyreply
piefed.social

If you don't want to host it yourself, https://redlib.catsarch.com/ is an alternative.

I use libredirect for both Twitter/X and Reddit. And I only use libredirect for websites that are unfriendly if I don't use their app or aren't signed in.

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SatyrSackreply
quokk.au

You don't have to host an instance of the Stealth server in order to use the Stealth client. It is awesome that you have that option if you want/need to, but the flagship public instance works just fine: stealth.cosmosapps.org

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Redlib is for web browsers when I accidentally navigate to reddit. Stealth is a full android app you have to install.

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SatyrSackreply
quokk.au

That was my go-to back when I used Reddit, and stopped when the API restriction was announced. As this is not just a read-only client, how does this get around the API restriction? Are users required to take steps to create a developer API key or whatever?

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Well it has two version one. The read only mode is The one I am using and it free but it has a patron version with monthly fee to be able to post

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lemmy.world

Hi everyone, this was the last straw for me. Can anyone point me in the direction of the porn?

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Go to Bluesky. I think due to the size of the Fediverse its porn content is infinitesimally smaller than Reddits. To flab my cheeks together and speak out of my ass locally hosting explicit content on a home server is also too risky. The low content available + search complexity makes googling boobs a better option.

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lordzivreply
lemmy.nz

This is the thing that gets me. It's kind of a double edged sword using an underground community like Lemmy. I still use Reddit for nsfw (God bless red reader) because the normie girls haven't migrated over here yet. There is such a mature community of self posting NSFW content that I haven't found anywhere else on the Internet like it tbh.

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Update: annoyed Reddit users have figured out a way to get rid of the irritating popup — for now, at least.

That link pushing you to sign into Wordpress is either a troll move or some strong irony.

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lemmy.world

Well that's an expected (late) step after kicking out all 3rd party apps. So really absolutely no surprise.

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I just use desktop agent on my phone if there's a good answer to something on reddit, but honestly it needs to die and we need to use fediverse more for discussions.

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lemmy.world

This might explain why my RSS reader sometimes breaks. All I go to Reddit for via RSS is to read shitposts about my shitty baseball team, anyway. My cardiac health would be better if I just quit.

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Sports shitposts when the team is doing awful is such an amazing coping mechanism. Some really creative stuff comes out.

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lemmy.world

It seems like my user agent switcher has mysteriously self activated.

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MrKoyunreply
lemmy.world

I've seen this popup on the mobile website with Firefox a few times, enabling a user agent switcher extention and setting my user agent to be that of a desktop operating system makes the popup go away.

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They intentionally target Firefox, because of plugins and real adblocker. Tbh I don't even care. I would use reddit only from desktop before I ever see ads. It's their loss my valuable content won't be on their platform.

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There are numerous user agent switcher extentions you can use across both the chrome web store and the firefox web store. However since Firefox supports extentions on mobile, unlike chrome, you could say that it is a Firefox extention for this use case.

::: spoiler Explanation of what a user agent is, just in case: A user agent is a small piece of text your browser sends to websites that includes information about the operating environment of the user, stuff like browser version and the operating system.

Normally, if I went to Reddit on Android, Reddit could see from my user agent that I was on android device, so Reddit could prompt me to download the app and block my acsess to the reddit content from the website with the popup mentioned in the post.

Basically, changing your user agent is like making your browser lie to websites by saying "I am Chrome running on Windows" rather than "I am Firefox running on Android", causing Reddit to falsely believe that I am not using a smartphone, therefore it would be dumb to tell me to use the smartphone app instead of the website, therefore the popup doesnt appear and I can use the Reddit website on my phone freely. :::

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Redditt is becoming more and more difficult to use on the web over the last couple of months or so. They know that there are browser extensions that filter out unwanted elements, and also that trackers and fingerprints are increasingly being blocked.

You can't be tracked as easily with a properly configured browser and I suspect that this is what the change is all about. I will continue using Reddit on the browser, for now, but am happy to ditch it if it becomes a problem.

There is a lot of AI and Human slop posted these days - I am getting fed up with having to decipher posts from people who simply cannot string a coherent sentence together. I am also getting fed up with people using expletives and profanities and just wish people would communicate properly.

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3 days tops before some reverse engineers the app and makes a proxy website. You won’t win this fight, spez. You will just lose in the most expensive way possible.

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lemmy.world

I'm at the point where I only use Reddit on desktop while I'm stuck at work. And that's only after I've got my fill of Lemmy. I only use old Reddit and have RES installed. If old Reddit goes or RES gets blocked or really if the platform makes any other bad decisions going forward, which their track record suggests they will, I think I'll finally be done.

I'm also at the point where I just create a new account every day. It takes them a day or two to shadowban it, but on Reddit if you don't leave a comment within an hour or two of something being posted, your comment will never be interacted with anyway, so there's really no value in keeping an account beyond a day anyway, unless you care about your subs, which I don't anymore.

The platform went to absolute shit.

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festusreply
lemmy.ca

Why are you trying to contribute to Reddit by posting / voting? While I still use Reddit (after Lemmy) I make a point to never vote or comment or contribute in any way whatsoever. They rely on contributors to power their network, so don't contribute.

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Why are you trying to contribute to Reddit by posting / voting?

To fight disinformation as much as I can. I see it, I downvote it. I see something patently false, I correct it if I'm educated enough on the subject.

I get upvotes, which means people see an agree. Maybe some of them are people who are seeing the info for the first time and I'm helping guide their views in the right direction.

I'm contributing less and less though. I mostly use Reddit for news that doesn't get posted here. Or to read top comments that outline what the news really means and provide deeper context. Because Reddit has more users than Lemmy, you see more of those informative comments. Hopefully Lemmy truly replaces it someday, but we're not all the way there yet. I'm definitely seeing more Lemmy activity than when I joined 1.5 years ago though.

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thelemmy.club

Please tell me more about the daily new account strategy. I’ve been permabanned (my email address and IP address) for unintentionally accessing a subreddit with one account that another account had been temporarily banned from.

With a brand new account, I figure you are automatically shadowbanned or at least in most subreddits. Also, aren’t there quite a few subreddits who simply don’t let you participate until your Reddit quality score is high enough?

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DarkFuturereply
lemmy.world

All I can do is outline what I do every day. This same process used to work to create a profile that wasn't banned until I inevitably said some questionable stuff, typically to dipshit Trump supporters. So sometimes these accounts would last months. I think they've made some changes to tighten their grip on new accounts recently cuz I'm getting regularly shadowbanned after somewhere between 24-48 hours. Not temp or perma banned. Shadowbanned. Which you'll know when you try to post and it says "you're doing that too much, try again later", or by going to the 3rd party Reddit Shadowban Tester site, or by just going to the Reddit appeal page and if you can submit an appeal, you've been banned or shadowbanned.

  1. I use Brave browser for Reddit. I know a lot of Lemmy users have problems with it. I don't care. I only use it in Incognito/Private mode.

  2. I go into Brave browser settings and clear all data. All cookies. All of it. Reset it to factory default.

  3. I open Brave back up and open a private window. I create a new throwaway email account on Outlook.

  4. Go to Reddit. Create a new account. I make sure to create a username instead of using one of the auto-generated ones. I avoid words like platform, site, Reddit. I think they might have a method for looking for shit talking names like "Reddit_Sucks" or "This_Platform_Is_Trash". I use a different password every time in case they have a method for banning accounts with passwords that have been used before. That would be dumb though cuz with that many users I'm sure a lot of accounts have the same or very similar passwords.

That's it. I just spend like 3 minutes creating a new account every morning. I comment and get interaction throughout the day. Then the next day, or following day at latest, I discover I'm shadowbanned and start the process over again. I wouldn't bother doing this if I wasn't stuck at work. If I was anywhere else I'd find something better to do with my time than circumvent a trash platform.

I used to use a browser script to automatically re-add all my subs to a new Reddit account, but I had to set the script to only add one every 5 seconds, because if you did less it would detect you were adding too many subs too quickly and assume you're a bot and ban the account. But now, with whatever new methods they're using to shadowban me every day or two, I just gave up on the subs. Too much effort for a day or two. My subs were the only thing that really kept me caring about Reddit. So if they manage to restrict things even further and it gets harder for me to interact on the platform, I think I'll be ready to finally just give it up. Reddit isn't dying anytime soon, but it's definitely on a downward trajectory. It'll go the way of the dinosaur eventually.

Edit: Yeah, there are subs that don't let you contribute if your account is too new, but they're kind of few and far between. Doesn't really affect me that much.

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the only way to go is new device,ip. once they ban you they will know which ip,browsers, and device was used to evade the bans. there is amore complicated way of doing this, but it will cost you and only meant for people who spamming ads and traffic to thier own businesses.

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You need to make your first comment or post be in a subreddit with no minimum karma requirement.

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zero fucks given,

Starting to be no fucks given for the users either, the constant enshitifaction is baked in so only masochists are left there.

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Im not sad I got banned now, its just not a cool place anymore! Here and Discuit fill the void

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I wonder if it is possible for me to express, even mathematically, just how MUCH their "app" can fuck off?

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on one of the wierdly on one of the firefox forks, it keeps reloading the page making you go back to the top every single time if you backspace, it so bad i had to use the firefox browser again so it wont reload the whole page which forces you to the top of the reddit feed, whicch coincidentally also refreshes and keep showing you different subs.

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I get this. I once worked in an abattoir where we had cattle chutes.

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NGL, the old.reddit desktop site in my phone's browser with an ad-blocker in, and it's still workable

Too bad I stick to lemmy now.

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Sigh I left reddit but I still like to browse in my niche game(s) specific community to see discussion. We need alternative, steam forum isn't that great for some of games, and there's barely any other unless they're top 20 games.

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I only use reddit via a web browser on a phone. I would never use some shitty app bloating the phone, tracking me, attempting to increase my engagement or shitting out a stream of ads. The same goes for all social media apps.

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If you just use Firefox strict privacy mode. That does that work for you. Recommend it for all sites

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lemmy.world

My favorite part about Reddit is they have ongoing contracts with google and open ai to scrape all their content live for training

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I’m sure they are already running lurker instances with custom code for this very purpose.

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Next I suppose they'll lock the whole site behind a login. After that, it's paid subscriptions only.

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And why would anyone use it then? It’s like facebook’s walled garden.

I miss being able to use a search engine that actually searched, and found answers on obscure sites I had not heard of before.

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lemmy.today

I browsed a few minutes, seems to work fine in Firefox.

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Sylasreply
lemmy.world

It happens in mobile browser only so ublock is not an option, at least on iphone. It’s also not even a pop up. It freezes while you’re scrolling like a paywall on a news site. Seems like desktop mode may help and there could be other workarounds, but it’s such an obnoxious move by Reddit that it will cause a mass exodus.

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Thankfully ublock works just fine in Firefox for android and its derivatives. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't use the mobile web either without it, and then my phone would exist only to mfa things at work.

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Yeah this is one thing i really miss about android. Im suprised Apple users have just raw dogged the internet for so long? Why does apple not allow adblock?

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if you backpsace to many time the reddit on a browsers lags a lot and starts to slow down the pages.

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Just toggling desktop mode on your mobile phone should still work. I use that trick all the time to get around the, you must download the app to view age-restricted posts on mobile. Literally, if you just turn on desktop mode, you can skip past the prompt instead of downloading the app.

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cant exactly be shocked by this, when the masses so willingly accept and adopt much more invasive, information harvesting and profitable apps instead of just using websites.

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So I've tested this with Brave and it does indeed come up, however with IronFox I haven't had a problem so far.

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lemmy.ca

I just got a notice that if I want to keep FB chat running, so I can talk to my mom and her siblings, I need another fucking pin code of sorts.

Because essentially adding 4 digits-only to the end of your password is valuable at all.

In this light, it's hard to gauge where the enshittification baseline is.

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I don't think there is one. If they move fast towards worsening the product, people notice and bail early, but if they slow roll it really patiently, the bleeding of users seems to be much slower and less pronounced overall. It seems that there may even be some among us for which there is literally no floor at all, and they would tolerate anything, but ultimately leave at the end only because everyone else already did and there's nobody left to talk to. Now that they have LLMs, maybe they can retain that last cohort with no standards at all; we'll see!

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lemmy.org

I had to test it, using Firefox on iPhone (so webkit) in the EU, got a small pop up at the bottom nagging about their data stealing app, but with a big closing button at the top. It closed just fine.

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lemmy.world

The article says they’re testing this with some users, but not all yet. So some of us may have different experiences.

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It could be however also that they don't do it to EU users. Who knows.

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ohshit604reply
sh.itjust.works

The question is why the hell are you still directly connecting to google servers. Aggregate it with a public SearXNG instance that way your traffic is masked with others also using that instance.

Alternatively you can use Startpage but that’s proprietary, and iirc have been making some poor decisions as of late.

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bleustennsreply
lemmy.ml

Could you fill me in on those decisions you mentioned from Startpage? I've been trusting it for a while now but don't really keep up with a whole lot of things.

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I may have read a repost of an old article as this appears to have happened way back in 2019, however:

System1 is an American Internet advertising company.[1] Formerly known as OpenMail, it was founded in 2013.[2][3][4] It describes itself as operating a "Responsive Acquisition Marketing Platform", and cites privacy as one of its principal foci, although it has been criticized for its influence on privacy-focused properties, including search engine Startpage.com.[5][6] It is headquartered in Marina del Rey, California.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System1

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