For me I jumped the ship because ever since I got introduced to Lemmy, the knowledge of who the main Lemmy devs are left a really sour aftertaste to everything.

Piefed doesn't have this baggage and as you say - Lemmy and Piefed can federate so I can still keep connected in the communities. And you can export your Lemmy profile and import to Piefed so the switch is really easy (though saved posts don't get imported, but oh well).

Piefed lists comments from crossposts together, grouped by post, so there is less repetition due to crossposts.

Piefed lets me tag users so I can mark who is a dumbass and not worth replying to, which is nice because I block fewer users and don't miss out on their posts that are fine because their comments elsewhere are terrible.

The two things I don't like about piefed is that they don't have a compact view for image posts and they don't make the modlog easy to get to or search.

Piefed has flairs, custom feeds, events, scheduled posting, hashtags, word filters, emote reactions.

On top of what others have said, I'm going to recommend piefed to my friends when they want to jump in because of the built in on boarding.

From the start it'll show you and let you pick what topics you might like to see (so sort of like multireddit that groups together similarly themed communities into one feed / group), and shows what you want to filter and partially hide and or outright block posts with certain terms. It just kickstarts someone new so quickly with what they would want to see rather than going to all view and swim through a lot of posts that might turn you off of Lemmy/mbin/piefed.

And like you said Lemmy and piefed still federates with each other so still can leverage the content already existed.

And later on you could create your own topics/grouped communities just like multireddits.

OP is talking about the software all of the instances run on, not the individual servers themselves.

This is not about an instance, it is about a project.

And also, different people have different metrics for what constitutes "best". Picking what one would think is "best" would not crash an instance. What are you talking about..

I wouldn't necessarily say I "hate" them but god any sort of interaction is just tedious.

I do have a lot of respect for the lemmy lead dev in that he's been a pioneer in the fediverse, and lemmy has become a popular opensource project. However, his ideological views are incompatible with mine, and he seems unusually passionate about them.

Yeah I like Lemmy, i donate and have massive respect for the devs that worked hard for years building this software. But their views are disgusting and it will kill Lemmy eventually. We're to small at the moment to start infighting so I dont worry to much about it. At the moment its more important for people to move away from corporate platforms to free and open platforms.

we need another Stalin to take care of...like you

Hello,

Hope you are doing well. Any time-frame (even rough) in mind for Lemmy 1.0 release?

Apps do work with Piefed, but they do not necessarily have all the features Piefed has.

I guess I'm bad at logging in. Thanks.

Ah, good to know. I'm already pretty happy with the lemmy voyager experience for just passive scrolling, and mostly do anything important (mod actions, longer comments, etc) on desktop anyway, so for me at least, that switch would be pretty seamless. Though hopefully Voyager supports more piefed features in the future!

You can also swipe left for voting and replying.... in some views lol

Now that I'm saying it, it has some weirdness to it even though I've used it for months.

I'd say it's halfway between old reddit and new reddit. And I hate new reddit with a passion but felt like old reddit is a bit tiresome.

Piefed has theming though to change a bit.

The reputation score (sum of upvotes - downvotes) is something that only admins can see. I absolutely agree with a lot of the criticisms people have with reputations systems like this or reddit's karma, but at the same time, it is one of the most reliable and highest signal to noise indicators of spam/scam/etc. accounts out there. If we were to remove it entirely, it would take away a powerful tool for flagging accounts like that to admins earlier rather than later. Oftentimes, we can spot accounts like that even before they get reported by other users because users are much more likely to downvote/block than go through the trouble of creating a report.

To address your other reply in the same place, ngrok is not affiliated with X's (twitter's) Grok. ngrok is a service that provides https tunneling much easier than manually managing domains. Developers often use this for proof-of-concept stuff or testing features that need SSL because ngrok addresses can be created and destroyed easier and quicker than manually managing your own dns.

In actuality, I didn't even realize that ngrok was a sponsor. Or, was a sponsor at some point. Is this still accurate @[email protected]?

Yeah I hate that cropping effect, though both Lemmy and PieFed do a similar thing in not quite "cropping" but only showing the first image, and then when you click through to the full post you can see a second or more images. So I just get used to clicking on the image and having it render in full in its own little pop-up-like state (where it takes over the screen, but that's more intrusive than the pop-out that Lemmy does).

I suppose it depends which communities you browse regularly - like for the main meme and shitposting comms that pretty much only ever have just the one image I see what you mean, but for comics or certain communities like tenforward there's often a second bonus image that makes it worthwhile to have gone into the post, which I usually do anyway in order to read the comments. Lemmy's pop-out is primarily useful when you don't care about reading the comments at all.

Also, it looks like the blorp alternative UI (see in action at https://blorp.piefed.world/home) doesn't crop, maybe?

Didn't know that! Thanks for the info, that sounds very promising.

Right, because you have alternatives to have an account on instead:-). This is an example of where divisiveness can be a good thing - we don't all have to be on the same instance, or even using the same software, whether Lemmy vs. PieFed vs. Mbin vs. nodeBB vs. flarum (eventually), or Mastodon or Friendica, all of it can be interconnected. I would argue that this makes the Threadiverse a more interesting place to be, actually. Because I definitely would have gotten kicked off of or voluntarily left lemmy.ml long ago, if that were the only option available...

Here is the list of defederated instances when a fresh install happens. This is editable in the admin UI after installation is complete. So, if you really want your instance to federate with the good folks of cum.salon, you are more than welcome to.

This is really just intended to provide what we think of as a good set of defaults for a typical user. Of course this is somewhat opinionated, just like something like an operating system has a set of opinionated defaults for stuff like default programs, window styling, etc.

I did a code review just about a week ago, see https://hexbear.net/comment/6827649 for what I found.

Piefed has a list of words that are banned and no instance can federate with others that use words like porn

No, that's not true. Piefed has no list of banned words. That specific function (which has been toned down) is purely for when a new instance wants to fetch new communities. It will ignore communities with specific keywords, most of them are just insults.

I suggest not purely relying on the word of Hexbear users who have never used Piefed and are trying to interpret the code.

It sounds like that comment chain is discussing two different things. First is the piefed default block list, which admins can edit as they please for their instance. Hexbear and lemmygrad are on there.

Second is the lemmy slur filter, which used to be applied across all of lemmy and was not configurable. That may have changed, but it isn't clear how. But regardless, that doesn't seem like a complaint about piefed, unless I am misunderstanding.

Huh, on one thread I notice cunt was censored, the comment still went through with removed under that word, while other swear words went through.

I hate that kind of censorship, bad words are case by case, just because people have used cunt in bad ways doesn't mean no one should be able to use it, if it did the ill intentioned could disallow any word or argument by starting to use it, not all that hypothetical, the right co-opts left terminology and issues all the time, and discredits them with the sheep as such.

What you are talking about is way worse though, I find that disqualifying if true. Wtf? Is piefed started by religious extremists, trying to stay out of the crosshairs of extremists? Hate freedom of speech? Segregating from each other from some imperiously minded administrator deciding what's good for us is a road to NOT overtaking social media that has become parasitic.

The majority of conservatives are not nazis even if they unknowingly support them. It does makes sense that nazis are looking for a home and colonized offshoots like lemmy though as the explicit ones would be forced from mainstream outlets.

Obviously there is a line there, where do you draw it? From banning out and out nazis, to what? Who says who is a nazi, or a fascist?

We should have a clear set of rules, and violations, or censoring, should go through a process ending in a jury trial of users before any final decision is made. Not only would it be fun to run such jury trials on violations, and give a sense of community, but it would prevent moderators and developers deciding for us what we can see and prevent abuses of their power, and prevent government and business interests getting their hooks into the moderation.

In the case of banning instances idk about that even, my instance doesn't block any instances and I've seen no nazis. Even if I did, so what, I could avoid them, same as I do with tankies. It's better to be able to see what they are doing anyway, insight is valuable at times. The instance could have a banner explaining they are condemned by the other instances, where you have to affirmatively click on it like a nsfw post.

What about people critical of Israel? Israel's superfans insist it's bigotry to not support their final solution against their others, to question them forcing millions of people into ghettos. Are we to censor anyone disputing such narratives because bigotry is alleged? Because they equate criticism of their policies as naziism, quite literally, while themselves being nazis of a new sort. The bad (worse) guys always accuse their victims/opponents of doing what they are doing. Why should developers and site administrators decide truth on their own?

I do not see what good it does banning instances in the first place. You think your own users are going to become nazis after seeing their posts? To protect their weak minds from wrongthink? It doesn't really work like that, and people not being exposed to it can make it more likely they get seduced to it not less. And it's not in the best traditions of western culture to censor viewpoints as such.

I've tried to participate on their threads a number of times, all ending in them trolling me and me having to ignore them to end it. Just when we had this conversation I went on one of theirs, got some agreement, until one of their guys posted a link to the original comment I mad that pissed them off when I didn't know they are tankies. We would still be at it if I kept responding.

So what I've noticed, they seem to have guys in charge, it's not a group of independent dickheads, it's like a hierarchy, with leaders and a chain of command of sorts. That they somehow found a random person commenting, garnering a small amount of agreement, nothing pulling downvotes, and they somehow ended up searching that user in their archives.

There is no agreeing with them either for long. They lead their people to have contempt for the western left. While themselves coming across as "woke" which is odd because their biggest sponsor over there is in league with fascists and themselves run by fascists and the like.

I don't quite get that part, they are all using pronouns and supposedly against bigotry (which they define as anything critical of the governments they support,) while championing all of these governments that are the opposite. Like it all seems a organized effort, maybe a rather dumb and palsied arm of russian intelligence, so what is their game with it all? It doesn't seem like they are just killing time for fun they are being led. Idk, fuck those guys though.

If you want to try PieFed with hexbear and lemmygrad.ml, you could check out PieFed.zip - for one thing it prides itself on rarely defederating from much of anything (obviously it blocks known CSAM instances though), and an admin there recently related how it makes federation with those two as opt-in, so blocking them for new users by default but with easy to follow instructions on how to remove that and show all content from them.

They brought this social isolation on themselves, especially that incident where hexbear admins were caught actually lying to admins of other instances. They can do whatever they want, but then again so too can everyone else - like even the anarchist instance Quokk.au defederates from hexbear, it's simply not worth exposing everyone (especially new users) to being trolled OUTSIDE of the communities that were created specifically for trolling.

If you like leftist messaging, you may find it interesting that slrpnk.net is going to switch over to PieFed sometime this year. However, they too defederate from both hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml, so I would guess that your aim would need to be more towards neutral instances such as PieFed.zip.

No, it doesn't. A piefed site admin can change those defederations.

Damn, I suspected as much but thanks for confirming. I never created an account so I didn't know if that would change anything in terms of what I could see was on it but it seems not. The default feed exposed to people without an account never really enticed me to check it routinely.

So where are the reporter types (& comic artists, etc.) then, mostly, other than just straight-up X, or shifting more towards private or public blogs like Substack (which is not federated though its open-source rival Ghost is)? I recognize that it is not a binary yes-no answer, and also that the answer is likely "pretty much just on X", with a much more extremely minor theme adding "somewhat, inconsistently on Mastodon, despite the fact that their followers are mostly not". And I cannot fault them too awfully much even for their short-sighted thinking, since they need followers or else they cannot exist, and when Mastodon instances go down I thought there is no way to move followers elsewhere, plus the issue of celebrity impersonation seems to remain still. Mastodon needs to work on those issues if they want people to use it.

Just like Lemmy needs to work on its ability to create at least SOME spaces more free of the toxicity that pervades the entirety of the Threadiverse and causes people to nope out immediately, then complain bitterly about us here over on e.g. r/RedditAlternatives and on Bluesky. I am 100% in agreement with "People could make as many fediverse platforms as they want, it doesn’t mean anything if nobody is using them.", which is why I am placing my hopes on PieFed to work more quickly to address the main concerns. It has already pretty much entirely solved the content discovery problem, and after expending so much effort on its API to enable 3rd-party apps I hope it gets back to enabling easier moderation features, although it already offers so much - more than Lemmy - in that regard.

If you ever want to switch, and definitely want to use a 3rd party app rather than webpage UI for some reason, Voyager is FOSS, extremely popular (I think #1 across the entire Threadiverse?), and works for both Lemmy and PieFed, though the latter has extra features (mainly those enacted server-side that you may have to rarely visit the webpage UI to enable but then will continue working from the app).

What exactly do you mean "to a profile"? Can you give an example of the difference (I never used Mastodon)?

God damn haha thanks for posting it, I was sure I posted the link but apparently not ^^

The main benefit of Rust in our case is not performance, but correctness. Static typing, memory safety and test coverage ensure that things really work. There are no errors from null pointers or anything like that.

I would be very confused if someone said the word to me in-person, even after seeing it on Lemmy or Reddit.

Its like the first time I heard the word woke. What the hell are these people on or talking about?

You guys are weird.

Yes. Rather than creating better tools for censorship and groupthink we should create tools to prevent that.

Just confirming. I don't see that as a bad thing though. The instance tools are designed to make it easier to catch spammers, trolls and AI posts.

It's not semantic in the slightest. It's a crucial difference. One is a community protecting its members, the other is an oligarchy protecting their power. The fascists have tried to conflate the two in order to further their agenda, and you fell for it.

I just reread my comment, and you know what, I didn't see a single assertion that moderation couldn't be weaponized or misused; only that it wasn't censorship when it was deployed by someone other than the state. But the fact that you immediately reacted with such rage at the implication is maybe an indication that you've been moderated for reasons other than just your viewpoint.

Let me be more clear: misusing moderation isn't censorship, unless you're doing so at the behest of a government. It's just misusing moderation.