In wake of Windows 10 retirement, over 780,000 Windows users skip Win 11 for Linux, says Zorin OS developers — distro hits unprecedented 1 million downloads in five weeks
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That "780,000 Windows users" number is just made up for the title as clickbait.
That number is never mentioned in the original blog post.
All they said is they have a million downloads and "over 78% of these downloads came from Windows". At no fucking point did they imply that means 780k unique users. There's no reason to assume that everyone who downloaded the ISO actually went on to install it.
They also want $48 for their Pro version which comes with a "professional-grade creative suite" consisting of... GIMP, Blender, Inkscape, Kdenlive, and... Audacity (?), going off the screenshots they show:
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They're shamelessly reselling free software as some sort of comprehensive package, and it's not even their own distro. They're just piggybacking on Ubuntu.
And their premium support only covers... installation?
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But hey, they support this edition with updates until 2029!
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Of course, pay no attention to the coincidence that the Ubuntu LTS version it's based on also hits end-of-life around then:
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So I'm not really sure what you're actually getting out of this purchase besides some extra themes and some really formulaic desktop wallpapers, and a couple proprietary apps. They say they "contribute to upstream Open Source projects" but offer zero evidence; their site doesn't even have any Github/Gitlab links.
Its rare to see someone with brain in here
Zorin pro was the main reason I never stuck with Zorin OS however while they heavily advertise that the price is for the software. I think the real cost comes with “installation support”.
For many first time users, having support help with an install is a necessity and they will pay for it. See Geek Squad as an excellent example.
Plus having a preconfigured Linux experience is good for these users.
Nice perspective. I had a wtf moment reading they charge for Gimp etc, but I imagine some casual PC users installing linux would rather pays for the convenience than troubleshoots.
I remember as a teen needing to learn basic console commands just so I could mount a flashdrive in Red Hat. The amount of troubleshooting is a real barrier for most new Linux users, getting things to work is often a multiple step process one must put together from fragments of old forum posts.
If I had a nickel for every time TomsHardware spreads misinformation, makes stuff up or did 0 research on the topic #Ryzen9700X3D I would be millionaire pretty soon.
Can we maybe ban them as a source from here?
While most users don't even know their Windows is paid by them - as an OEM pre-install - I can see business persons being oblivious to a concept their workhorse can be just free and good. Zorin is probably targeting that market. Top managers don't take personal responsibility to integrate some hippy socialist bullshit, they switch from one respectable enterprise solution to the other and can show checks. We can try and take a glance at this from a perspective of a complete corporate buffoon, and it starts to make sense.
I am conflicted about Zorin, they are selling something using free software… but somehow, maybe marketing i am not sure… they are able to get people on Linux that never did before. So you know, seeing people ditching Windows for Linux might be the first step… maybe someone start with Zorin, get comfortable and jump to something else.
You're forgetting what "regular" people are like. /S
Are they getting people onto Linux, or are they absorbing people that would be switching anyway and taking advantage of those users by charging them for something they may not need? Hard to say which it is
Thanks for clearing up the misinfo
I guarantee there are PLENTY of people jumping the commercial ship to try Linux of many flavors
I'm not saying there's no people trying it, or that the actual number is negligible. I'm just saying I highly fucking doubt that 780,000 people have actually installed Zorin OS in the last month.
Love how you just completely skipped over the entire thrust of the comment and then churned out some blithe remark.
I know some who went to Linux and a few who moved to Mac. But no one is seeing Win11 and saying "oh man, I gotta get in on that".
I jumped in to the Win11 beta and really liked it, they finally got most of the control panel into the new settings architecture and I never once had to dig deep into things to adjust something small, a lot of stuff that took finagling just worked.
And now I fucking hate it. The release version is jammed so full of bullshit features and useless AI junk that it is an active hindrance to whatever I'm trying to do. And more and more stupid fucking bugs bubble up in to the desktop and never get addressed, all while I get pop up after pop up urging me to try some bullshit new feature.
I already had one foot into Linux with my desktop but kept this because it was a Surface and nice at some point, but my next buy has to be a Linux 2-in-1, I can't deal with Microsoft's horseshit any longer.
I do want to emphasize that for the moments that it was unadulterated by rent-seeking, the new Win11 actually was kinda great.
In case you weren't aware there's an ongoing project adding Surface hardware support to Linux kernel. It's in a pretty mature state, with most of the features already implemented and working (here is a full breakdown per device). I've been using it on my SP6 for a few years with zero issues.
It might be worth a look until you get to buying new hardware.
Thank you for this. I haven't figured out what to do with my Surface yet, but this sounds promising.
Kde is working really well on linux-surface. Had to change the OSK to maliit(?) but everything I need works. I haven't tried to install the camera driver because I never needed it. Stylus works really well ootb. Use it with Krita. Screen rotation works great and I use it as an e-reader. I choose an easy arch distro because disk encryption works with the native keyboard although it has been some time since i tried a non rolling distro and other distros could have addressed the startup keyboard issues by now. 10/10 would recommend.
Posting from a Surface Go 2 running Debian Trixie with Gnome+Phosh. Everything except the webcam just works on the stock kernel (for webcam support you need the patched Surface kernel). Vanilla Gnome is fine, too, if you use a hardware keyboard. I run Phosh because the onsceen keyboard is much better than Gnome's.
I finally committed to the switch last weekend. My desktop PC was the last holdout still on Windows in my fleet, because of Adobe Lightroom. I decided to just force myself to learn Darktable, and nuked the Win 11 install and replaced it with Fedora 43.
Fun side note, some of my games run way better than they did on Windows, despite not having native Linux builds. lol.
My bottles borked my battle.net install somehow so instead of tackling the issue I'll put it off for months/years and continue dual booting
My condolences
you can just run battlenet through steam:
a tiny bit of effort, but only required once. everything afterwards just works!
This worked immediately for me. I did have to change the install path because it still thought I had a Z drive for some reason... I do want it to work not on steam but if I can play WoW on Linux in the interim I'm happy lol
I tried Lutris before and it would constantly stop installing and freeze up... and when I let it set up in the default directory it will install and then when I launch bnet it doesn't show any games at all..... anddd when it inevitably decides to force quit out of bnet and I click stop on lutris I get "sequence item 0: expected str instance, int found" ......... also constantly slowing the fuck out of my mouse/computer..... I think I fucked my install up when I initially set up mint... might just wipe and start over again.........
Flatpak, I'm pretty sure that's what the software manager installs right? I tried again today and it gave me the same shit. I do want to keep trying to get it to work though if you have any ideas!
I left Windows for Linux in the early 2010s. Windows was shit then, but this is a new level of shit. I don't know how anyone does it. After discovering the freedom Linux can provide I could never go back to Microsoft.
did you try the ltsc version? i heard it comes without all these unnecessary "features" and feature updates.
I know some people who shoot and hunt their own venison. Some people moved over to butcher shops. But no one is finding roadkill and saying "oh man, I gotta get in on that"
I can think of one…
Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel?
Close. RFK Jr.
Just something someone with a worm brain would do.
When I was a kid I visited my cousin in backwoods Missouri, and we heard on the radio that there was an uptick in leprosy because of people eating roadkill armadillo. It was a real wtf moment in my life
Shit. Is there a certain kind of roadkill that's safer to eat?
Don't know, and don't care to find out. I only visited the backwoods, I certainly don't live there
Comparatively, carnivores are riskier, as they continuously collect parasites from the animals they eat, especially if they eat them not freshly killed.
Fun fact, there was enough public outcry in '16 for the state of Washington to amend it's laws and make it legal to harvest roadkill for food.
Of all the states, I wasn't expecting Washington.
Alabama? Sure.
Mississippi? I can see that.
Georgia? Yeah, ok.
Washington? Of all the states, WASHINGTON??? Oh god damn....
I mean if you hit a deer with your car, why let all that venison go?
My uncle loves to tell a story from his youth about when he was driving his VW bug up in Maine back in the 70s. As he was winding through the woods on a back road, he struck and killed a rather large buck, which is honestly a fairly impressive feat for a 1970-something VW bug. As he's standing there assessing the (thankfully minimal) damage to his car, a game warden pulls up and informs him that, in Maine, if you kill an animal while hunting, you're legally required to haul carcass home with you under threat of jail time.
And so began his several-hour task of cramming a 6-point buck into the back seat of a 1970-something VW bug. As far as I remember, he was successful, too.
Oregon also has roadkill salvage permits available!
It's actually not terribly uncommon for people to take roadkill if it's fresh and in decent shape.
In my state (PA) you're supposed to report it to the game commission within 24 hours, and you're supposed to surrender the hide and antlers to them unless you pay for a separate permit.
In the UK it's illegal to claim roadkill if you're the one who struck the animal.
If you weren't, it's free game (unintentional pun, nice)
At first that didn't make sense to me, but I now realise it's to prevent someone purposely striking an animal just to take it.
Gotta make fresh roadkill, then it's edible sure.
I have two win 11 licensed for older Dell computers. I shudder at the thought of ever needing them.
Even if most of those trying it out eventually go back to Windows, this is still great for Linux!
I was þinking þe same. Even if many switch to Mac, or even back to Windows, now þey have exposure. Even if it's not perfect, or even if þey don't like it, þey've been þere, and I believe it increases þe chances þey'll try it again when wiþout 11, þey may never have.
I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that a freshly cut rose is your favorite flower, and that you’ve got several potted cacti about your home.
Clearly something's going on here, but I'm uninformed, would you mind doing an ELI5? I figure it all ties to the weird characters they used.
The weird character is called a thorn. Roses and cacti are known for their thorns.
Makes sense for the reference s, thanks, what's the subtext leading to the downvotes?
Some people just really seem to dislike their use of that character for various reasons
I'm not on a downvote-enable instance, but I think from the other times this user has shown up, they've said that the thorn symbol is meant to disrupt AI.
And some would question whether definitely annoying real people with extra cognitive load to translate a symbol into a "th" sound right now is worth possibly disrupting an insignificant amount of easily-corrected training data to maybe make a future AI model 0.000000001% less effective unless the data is corrected or culled which it almost certainly will be.
Using thorn, of course, isn’t going to disrupt an LLM. It’s just another probability in the model. And a very small one at that.
Personally, I þink it’s cute.
As a native English speaker, TIL
Could be that the unusual characters make the comment less readable.
Bot or moron... take your pick
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(letter)
Ok, that explains the references. What's up with the downvoting? I see the Nordic/Islandic connection, is artificial use of the character some kind of white supremacists viking dog whistle or something?
Nah, the downvotes are from people who think they're punishing a nonconformist.
They're not even using thorn rn why are they still downvoting this guy?
It’s to poison ai scrapers
Lemmy celebrates ANY thing not mainstream.
Also lemmy, "FUCK YOU FOR USING A WEIRD LETTER!!!"
Sxan should come out and say, "I'm a trans, queer, neurodivergent, furry, drag queen communist with Tourette's Syndrome, ADHD and autism, so I have to replace 'th' with 'þ' or I'll suicide. I like pictures of little girls in sexy attire. It's ANIME, you wouldn't understand. And if you could mix animals into my sexy anime? Perfect! Also, I have stuff up my butt 24x7."
They'd be the most popular person in this place.
Huh. Oooh, I get it. No, my favorite plants are not prickly. I like orchids, sadly especially ones which I lack þe skill to keep alive.
D. Stenophylum (an orchid!):
Paphiopedilum:
Bruh ain't no way people are choosing Zorin OS over all the available options.
If this is a result of people searching "best windows like distro", they're profiting off of a windows theme for GNOME, not even a full DE.
You can achieve the same thing with zero effort on any distro because DEs and themes aren't tied to a distro.
No, YOU can. But for the average Windows user this is far from "zero effort". Just the fact that Zorin OS will automatically run Windows executables through wine without the user having to set it up is a huge deal for people coming from Windows who want their PC to "just work" without fiddling around
Bringo. I started trying to learn how computers compute in my 40's, after using them essentially since childhood. Still a dumbfuck. There is a huge class of users who are genuinely interested in... Having a computer - they are neat. The percentage of those people who also want to not be product-fucked on the regular by unimaginably powerful companies is pretty substantial.
It's odd to look at Linux and open source communities that shame others, and diminish the possible entry point of a user hoping to escape the purgatory of Microsoft's/apple etc. whims. What's the goal? Many people are stupid; I'm pretty stupid. Help us more smarter.
What are some experiments I can do to learn grep a little? How do I internalize the file system in this OS better? How do I know I fucked something up, rather than found a loose nut in the software?
Rtfm. Hahah cheers
Same. I am one of those recent Zorin OS 18 users, and even this entry level distro meant stuff like changing BIOS settings, finding and figuring out how to get a Nvidia driver working etc.
Anyway, as for your question what you can do to increase understanding: I am now using www.Labex.io linux tutorial to get familiar with terminal commands.
Maybe further down the road this will lead me to a different distro, this one got me started and saved a perfectly fine running PC from the scrapyard :-)
You’re bang on. Or at least described my exact situation. Biggest issue was having windows 11 on my new machine by default. Been thinking about making the switch for a while, but don’t want to take the time and effort to learn a whole new hobby. Between the forced AI in win 11 and the posts about Zorin today it pushed me into looking into it. I’m going to do the free one after the holiday. If it’s cool I’ll upgrade to the pro. Not that I super need it, but it’d be exciting to have all the extra software. Plus if it’s that good I’m happy to support them.
From another comment in this thread, Zorin is basically Ubuntu with a theme for the desktop environment. And the pro sells you a bunch of free software. May I recommend something like Fedora instead? It's also easy to use (or is supposed to be - I only use it on my laptop for school), and is more widely known and accepted by the open source community from what I can tell. Every time I hear about Zorin it's bad (or at most neutral) haha
You know, all I really want is to have a basic windows interface that I can play games (Steam) and maybe email? The programs look fun, but I probably wouldn’t really use them anyway. One day it’d be neat to know more and tweak, just too busy now. If I’m understanding correctly I can just load these up and dual boot to test them out? And most are free? So I guess it’s just test and see.
If you're looking for something to game on, I'd also recommend checking out Bazzite. It's built on the same version of Linux as the SteamOS and comes with stuff like Steam and Nvidia drivers pre-installed. There's also a guide on the website for things like how to install it in a dual-boot setup.
You can read about the filesystem here https://linuxlap.com/linux-tips/linux-file-system-structure/. At home, I rarely go outside my home directory. Outside the usual folders in /home/user (~) like Documents, Downloads, etc., I mostly find myself in ~/.config and ~/.local/share looking for files that desktop programs store. Or for whacky programs like the email client Evolution, you can find the entirety of your IMAP emails in ~/.cache and have to redownload all your emails with a new PC because who backs up their cache folder? (Or angrily switch back to Thunderbird and never use Evolution again.)
At work with proprietary software to support, it's at /opt.
You can check where programs are installed with which, ex. "which firefox". Flatpaks are stored in different directories and 'which' won't find them. Better to manage those with warehouse and flatseal than mess with the files directly.
Yeah except I have never seen anyone actually suggest Zorin OS for this purpose due to its controversial pro edition.
There are other distros that achieve the same thing. My point is that Zorin is making money off of something I could do with zero effort, which implies its not even worth making a pay to use distro when one of the inherent benefits of linux is that its free.
I could understand if Zorin provided some groundbreaking software like Crossover, which for a long time had some serious advantages over wine and proton (yes I know irony that all are based on wine). But as other people have pointed out, most of this OS is just a reskin + preinstalled app combo. Might as well just use Nobara, which GE made in his spare time with some lazy scripts for Fedora.
I think you vastly overestimate the amount of effort most people are willing to expend for things like this.
marketing is important. more important than a good product even.
Zorin uses gnome? I would not have guessed that based on the couple of screenshots I saw.
Contrary to what many people thing, Gnome is extremely modular and customisable. It's just not really exposed in the base Desktop Environment itself.
You can do literally anything with the extension system. It's very powerful.
That does however mean that you can easily break things, which is why by default Gnome marks extensions as unsupported when a new Gnome versions come out, until the maintainer adds a text string inside the extension that flags their extension as being validated for the new version.
You can disable the version checks, of course, and just risk it. But usually I find you don't need to. By the time a new release comes out, the Gnome beta has been available for over a month, and the extensions have already been updated in advance.
Zorin is the best distro when you come from Windows. It works almost similarly so it's easy to grasp for those who don't want to tinker / learn a new DE.
My machine was once VERY capable. It's not a top of the line gaming box but it's still capable and shows no signs of crapping out yet. Can't run windows 11 but it's not worth throwing away my computer over.
Same boat, my computer is basically the computer my wife built probably about 12 years ago before we got together, it was pretty beefy for its time. I basically stuck her old components in a new box (and also stuck a newer graphics card in it because I got a really good deal on a used 2060)
Still manages to run most games out there on acceptable (to me) settings.
Made the switch to Linux about a week ago, no major issues, some things are arguably running better now. It's not without its hiccups but so far things have gone pretty smoothly.
EDIT: went with Mint over Zorin though.
I've got an Intel 6900K 8-core X99 system. Also not compatible with W11, but serving me well.
The issue is even if I wanted to upgrade, that market segment is effectively dead; X299 and X399 (AMD) were the last real HEDT platforms. The only thing now is workstation tier boards, which are about $1K and processors to match
My desktop (that runs guix) is from 2009. At the time I built it for gaming. In the last couple years I upgraded the ram to 16 gig and replaced the graphics card (old one died), no other mods made. Now I use it for much more mundane stuff and it's still completely usable.
I've been using a PC with C2D till it died. And I'm still having thoughts of checking whether it's solvable with a bit of soldering, perhaps replacing power.
It's enough for music, text editing, a little bit of web browsing and old games. Old games here includes a lot of goodness, but even World of Tanks worked under Wine on it back when I used it. Slow, but playable (when you have friends and it's a social event, alone kinda sad).
I'm far more bothered by them making Brave the built-in default browser, than I am by them charging for themes & tech support.
Charging for themes and tech support seems fine to me. As long as it's possible to do it yourself.
They need to make money, to continue the development and that seems a good compromise
The themes and tech support are totally fine to charge for (as long as they're original themes that the zorinOS developers made or contracted someone to make).
Brave browser as default is borderline as bad as just sticking to windows if the point of you getting away from windows is to dodge the shady stuff Microsoft has started doing.
It should be zen, i'm mildly upset I didn't start using it earlier. Randomly decided to try new browsers and goddamn, it's all I wanted from workspaces and tabs and I didn't even know it. I always tried to use workspaces before but hated how it worked.
I also never bothered to check for tab based extensions because some similar ones do exist.
In zen you have your tabs vertically stacked, hated it at first, but I get it now, I actually can keep track of them all, swapping workspaces is easy/quick and doesn't suspend all tabs when you do it so you can have multiple categories open without them pausing when you swap. Like a seperate space for research, tutorials, etc. Those spaces can have folders and pinned tabs. On top of that you get essential tabs which are always visible as app icons and easily accessible so you can have youtube as an essential tab and easily hop back and forth accessing it from any workspace. My biggest gripe with workspaces before was having to reopen youtube videos when I swapped workspaces becuase they would suspend and not be accessible.
Literally everytime I use it, I'm like why didn't I check before, I was so lost before, Id just give up and close all my tabs. Now I easily keep track of 100s, know where everything is and why they all exist because they are organized and easy to check at a glance. Really easy to load and unload tabs. Almost forgot you can split screen tabs super easily too, it's my favorite way of using it, don't need multiple windows.
Ooo firefox-based. I will be trying it out.
I had stopped enjoying browsing the web, but I do now once again
Zen is my favourite software currently. It blows away the competition for me.
Pff, amateurs. I can download 8 marijuanas simultaneously.
Dude, you have a serious problem, man. That's way too much marijuanas.
I can haz a torrent of marijuanas.
My cousin downloaded Linux and died from injecting 3 Marijuana's at once.
It was Arch btw.
Just installed CachyOS. It just works.
Never going back
Use Cachy for a while. Not a single issue so far. Very good distro for people who want the OS out of the way. The perfect compatibility with Nvidia is a plus!
Yeah I waited till I had a new gpu, got amd.
But yeah, reinstalled all the arr* stuff I had on windows and other services as podman services, got steam, played a few games. Some Linux native. Some Proton.
Transfered all my stuff then formatted my ntfs disks did btrfs
Never felt like anything pushed back on what I wanted. Was silky smooth.
Never once had to even think about if I had drivers for my things, logitech lightning mouse, wireless headset etc
I just installed Linux Mint on my dad's old laptop. He asked me to do it!
I checked and it could run Windows 11 with a RAM upgrade. But he wasn't interested in that.
He was surprised at all of the software installed by default. And mostly just uses the browser to read his Outlook mail....
Same dude!
I got games to run too, using Lutris. I can give you a few tips if you want. I put it on a thinkpad T470p.
I can probably run pretty much anything using Lutris. It can read any iso file and presumably even .exe files though I haven't tried it with exe's.
Still, most of what we need is available just in a browser or from open source, like Libreoffice.
Thanks for the offer! But I've been running Linux only since 2002 or so, currently with Arch on my laptop, because I'm not yet brave enough to try Nyx. 😄
Bruh ok haha
Penguin sounds intensify
More!! More! Everybody get others into Linux Mint and Pop OS Cosmic as well!! I am doing my part if we want better we must grow the community
I tried Mint and it's just too buggy to use.
What video card do you have? Do you plan to use the machine for gaming?
I switched to mint 3 weeks ago at the gentle age of 48 and so far it's excellent. I had several issues which i almost all solved with googling and some AI. And I don't know anything about programing. AND IT DOESN'T PUSH ANYTHING ON ME, IT'S UNREAL.
Isn't it lovely? I switched like 15 years ago but I still appreciate everyday not having some new "feature" being shoved down my throat.
Geforce 3060, and yes. Sometimes my primary screen gets locked at my secondary screen's framerate. The whole OS is especially wonky after wake from sleep, I often have to restart Firefox and Cinnamon after wake. WebGL things in Firefox are especially finicky. The panel-applet-spice things are horrendously single-threaded, some of lock the whole UI regularly.
I'm going to try some other Debian-based OS in the hopes that this is just Mint+Cinnamon and not the state-of-the-art.
I’d suggest trying a gaming focused distribution. I’m running Ubuntu on my machine. Now using Nvidia but previously with AMD and used the Nvidia for VFIO (passing through the GPU to a virtual machine). I’ve had a lot of trouble switching to Nvidia with my current install, especially Snap apps like Firefox and electron apps like VS Code. Snap apps are sandboxed and don’t get appropriate permissions for GPU acceleration. Firefox decodes video on CPU for example.
I did try several distributions when I had the AMD Radeon as primary GPU and overall had good success passing through Nvidia card to the VM. I tried Ubuntu (2023.10 I think?), Debian, Fedora, and Bazzite.
Debian doesn’t have snaps unless you want them and seemed to work Ok. Bazzite and Fedora both worked well.
The main difference it seemed was using Flatpak. You can install a flatpak GPU driver for your Nvidia card and then all the problems go away. Flatpak steam games get to run at full frame rates whereas you’d need AMD for snap.
Also it seemed like some problems were caused by Gnome, issues that are supposed to go away in the future but are nasty now. The gnome Videos/Totem app totally fails on Ubuntu 24.04/wayland/nvidia. It’s possible to get it to work but it’s so much trouble that I wouldn’t recommend it.
KDE Plasma didn’t seem to have these issues. There are things I don’t like about KDE but overall it seemed to work better. It even has dumb features like controlling the brightness of your monitor when connected via USB, a nice feature that even MacOS required a third party app to match.
Everyone has a strong opinion on the subject but if you don’t have a specific need, I’d try Bazzite next. You already know it will work with Nvidia because of the gaming focus. It has KDE so you avoid some Gnome issues. Browsers are the default app of any OS so you know the game/steam expectation means the browser should work as well.
Good luck and please update us with what you figure out!
Mint and Pop OS really aren't usable for cutting edge GPU's tho.
Edit: I'm probably wrong about Pop OS.
That's simply not true for PopOS
I just figured because it's based on Ubuntu. My mistake.
It's based on Ubuntu LTS, that's true. But Ubuntu backports device drivers to older (LTS) kernel versions, so the performance/hardware support is often similar/the same as using a newer kernel.
I believe they call this backporting of device drivers the "hardware enablement stack", but I may be misremembering.
PopOS uses this, but Mint I believe is a strange one. You can get a variant of Mint that enables the hardware enablement stack, but I don't think it's a feature of standard Mint.
I remember when I started using Linux on my main machine I installed Mint. It was very unstable and had graphical issues even with the correct drivers installed. I switched to Manjaro and things worked great for a while. I have Mint installed on my mom's laptop and she's complaining about screen flickering. I've had it with maintaining Ubuntu based distros. I always have problems with them. I'm going to install CachyOS on her laptop. I'm the one who updates it anyway so she won't know the difference. Maybe it's just bad luck on my part. I never really had any problems with Debian for what it's worth. Is there a reason why Ubuntu breaks between updates in weird ways? I don't see this with Arch-based distros. Sorry, this is a lot. I just don't understand Ubuntu really.
Zorin would t be my first choice. But happy to see those numbers.
I'm happy to see people enter as a gateway. Ubuntu has, and still does, serve that purpose as well.
Any other recommendations for non tech savvy people coming from windows?
Linux Mint it's the mvp now. ElementaryOS is also nice, but more like macOS.
When i switched from windows i used mint im currently on fedora and manjaro i had no real trouble with either one of those. But im mostly using my browser and some applications i need for coding. I dont know what your use cases are but you can make a bootable usb with any one of those distros and test it out befor you actually install it anywhere. If you have an old laptop ore something like this i would strongly reccomend testing on that and see what you like. Also save all the data you need/want to keep before you mess with anything
I install Linux Mint on friends' a family's.
I’m gonna make it 780,001 today.
How many computers do you have ?!
Well, a grand total of one.
I am a macOS user for work and had windows mostly for games on my personal computer, when I got a new laptop last year it came with win 11… it was so annoying to need to skip literally ads for Microsoft services… that even being my “leisure” computer… I spent the time getting Linux Mint, deal with Nvidia drivers on Linux just to have steam there
The games I am playing recently are working great on Linux and my computer feels faster now.
This particular laptop had a problem with WiFi drivers and Nvidia drivers, but getting past this first setup, I must say Linux Destop is easier and fast to use.
I keep hearing about ads on computers, smart tvs, fridges and shit, is that solely an american thing? I'm in Europe and never get any of that shit. Sure, Microsoft will tell me at installation that they'd like to "personalize" some adds for me, but I have never actually had a single one. Did the EU block them or something?
It might be the version of Windows 11 you have installed, too. Enterprise has no ads (or can be configured not to have ads, at least). Same for Professional, I think?
You can also use a post-install "Playbook" to rip all the adware and spyware out of Windows. I used ReviOS in my Windows 11 VM and it works well for me, but I'm guessing that's not what you've done since you'd know about it, lol.
I'm super happy with my switch to CachyOS. Canadian laws roughly mirror US laws, so it's a breath of fresh air to not need to deal with Microsoft's bullshit (well, outside of the VM I need for work, anyway.)
I just have windows 11 home
Ms has different releases for Europe due to legal requirements
This is why you have no ads
Does that actually persist across forced updates? I know they've been known to re-install things on updates before.
Most disable Windows Updates for that reason, afaik? You can manually patch security updates without getting automatic updates, I think.
I don't really care about Windows Updates for my use case since it's just a VM and I know how to prevent most virus vectors anyway, but yes; there are major trade-offs to "debloating" Windows.
In the longer term, I want to try getting all my must-have apps for work running in browser apps or compatibility layers so I can just stay in Linux.
You definitely get more in the US, but Europe isn't free from ads.
Windows still shoves OneDrive, office, and other things in your face in Europe. They still have featured news stories and the like. They still have recommendations in the start menu and such.
These are all ads, though we've been conditioned into thinking MS plastering OneDrive and OneDrive recommendations all over their OS isn't advertising. It very much is.
If you have an Android TV in Europe, 1/3 of the home screen by default is an ad banner, just like in the US. Etc.
We are not free from ads. We just have it slightly better than the US.
I don't get any of that. No ads for microsoft products, my start menu is literally just a blank space with Project Diablo 2 and Calculator as quick access. Not even on my Samsung tv do I get ads unless I choose to tune into one of their free channels.
I would bet money the fanspeed also got much quieter.
Yes, and comparing resources it issues much less CPU while “idle”
I just bought a machine with an NVIDIA card which I am going to install Mint on. Do you have any advice?
(I had planned to get an AMD GPU, but was unable to for various reasons.)
Mint worked the best for me out of the other distros. 3060ti
Multiple monitor setup. One a 4k tv via HDMI others display port.
Had a helluva time getting it to not fuck the displays when one went on/off with anything other than mint.
YRMV
Send it! I've heard it has gotten better for nvidia users. The nice thing about a live USB is that you can just remove it and reboot if you don't like it.
Do all updates first, save a snapshot of the system, than install the latest Nvidia driver.
For me, installing Nvidia drivers before the system update was the issue
Pop!_OS has a dedicated .iso just for Nvidia hardware.
Everytime people say there is a problem with nvidia driver, what kind of problem do people have? I am running nvidia drivers on two different machines on arch linux. It was just
pacman -Syu nvidiaand thing just workOn my laptop, I was using the tool available on Mint to find ans install drivers and after I reboot I was losing the WiFi drivers
This laptop did not have an Ethernet port, so I needed to re-install the OS and try again
I downloaded Mint last week and started the installation but got cold feet when it came to drive formatting. I still want to keep my win10 operational in case I won't be able to run something on Linux.
I never actually used Linux before... I installed it 3 times before and always quickly went back to windows due to some compatibility or driver issues, but...
I am NOT switching to win11... It's enough that I am forced to use it at work. That system is so fuckin stupid... They took a lot of minor elements and just made each of them worse... I get that the sales department told you to shove OneDrive and Copilot everywhere, it's stupid and annoying but I get it, it's just plain old greed, but why can't the Calendar show the whole month and don't work on the second monitor?!? (Are you planning to add it as a paid subscription later?!?)
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
You can get a cheap ssd and install linux on it. Before installing disconect existing windows drive. After install reconnect windows drive and make sure that windows boots. Then boot to bios and choose linux as default drive and after booting to mint desktop update grub to include windows. On each boot you will be able to choose which OS you want.
lol I forgot about the calendar issue
a perfect example of them making it worse for literally no reason at all
Just add a new partition and dual boot, it is pretty easy.
Also I do not recommend Mint for Windows users, because the officially supported UX layers are more apple-esque. Use a distro that has KDE support baked in. Adding KDE to Mint is easy but may not be for people switching.
For that reason, I recommend going with distros with KDE Plasma by default. Kubuntu or KDE neon.
Why KDE? It feels like where Windows should have gone. It's like the glory days of Windows (windows 2000, etc) in the modern age. It is a drastic upgrade from Windows with more freedom than you ever had.
Mint has the Cinnamon desktop environment which isn't that different from Windows/KDE. You're probably thinking of Gnome?
Cinnamon, to me, is an in-between, more like modern Windows, which moved in a more macos direction. KDE is like golden age Windows. Gnome is like macos.
When I used Mint (maybe 10 years ago now?), I had all kinds of problems with Cinnamon. KDE was like magic and I always use it now. Perhaps things have changed but we can only make recommendations based on our experiences and knowledge.
Aye, Cinnamon i'd say is pretty Windows like now (taskbar, start menu and tray) but definitely not as good as KDE. The average user would be happy with either I think.
I'm on Cinnamon for my first linux OS, it feels pretty Windows to me.
I'm glad to hear that, thank you for sharing.
It sounds like Windows users have a lot more options now, which is a good thing.
you can't have a more classic desktop look and feel than using MATE, and it's from the same people that maintains Mint
Bruh, they moved rename file. That shit has been in the same place since 3.1. Fucking why.
One can resize the Windows partition from Windows itself, then install Linux alongside it. But have backups and be careful.
One pretty safe way is if you get a separate drive for Linux and completely swap out the Windows one. It's not dual booting but at least you can switch back if it doesn't work out for you.
Just make sure you have whatever you need to get the Windows drive working again if it's encrypted.
I used disk2vhd to virtualize my laptop windows disk and put it on a USB stick and then got it running on Linux with VirtualBox. I'm gonna need it once a year for taxes.
I did run into some trouble getting secureboot working in virtualbox, but solved it after I figured out the kernel drivers were compressed.
You can just test Mint without installing it... run it off of USB.
It'll be slower, but you can see if it fits your needs.
If you have issues with mint, try something based on Debian or Fedora rather than Ubuntu like Mint is.
For Fedora I recommend Bazzite if you do gaming and nothing too technical. Flatpaks make it easy to find and install software without messing things up. Otherwise Fedora Kiinoite.
For Debian I recommend Debian itself really. Also runs very well on much older machinery.
The Mint team also puts out a very stable version called LMDE which is based on Deb rather than Ubuntu.
If you didn't know, Ubuntu is based on Debian.
Yes but also no.
As in, it is based on Debian, but it's kinda like how a zebra is a horse
Someday Microsoft might realize that Windows should be rolling‑based, like CachyOS. By that time, it will be too late for them to catch up and bring everyone back to Windows.
That's literally what Windows 10 was supposed to be. "The last version of windows". Does no one remember that?
I by no means want to defend Microsoft. But I'm pretty sure that was said by an overzealous marketing person who didn't understand correctly, and this was corrected by Microsoft soon after.
Maybe they should have listened to him instead of correcting him.
I think they really meant it at the time - but needed Windows 11 in order to really shove AI down people's throats.
Windows 11 came out before AI entered the dogma.
They are using Windows 11 to push TPU to control your hardware for reason that will become clearer in the future. They also pushed it to sell new hardware and thus more licenses. Windows 11 demands you buy a new laptop despite your perfectly functioning one.
We've hit the point where PCs aren't getting that much faster, and so people aren't upgrading as much. This makes a few powerful people very upset.
I remember. I also remember Windows 8 which was supposed to make everything metro stylish and convenient, with tiling, ARM version, claims of being optimized and good for updating even on oldish boxes.
Same times as Nokia Lumia.
Ah a windows 8. I remember reading the promo materials for it. An OS designed around touch, with the goal of doubling the number of touch enabled PCs on the market.
Guess how many PCs were touch-enabled when windows 8 launched...
1.5%. Whomever is driving at Microsoft needs to be moved to an Amish community and prevented from interacting with any kind of electrical device ever again.
Articles for 2013 are still available? It was ~10% for all laptops launched in 2013.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/451973/touchscreen-notebooks-snag-10-percent-of-the-laptop-market-report-claims.html
In 2023 The penetration is ~20% so by these metrics they did double the number of touch enabled PCs. It just took a decade too long.
In fact in 2012 - Intel did a study that said 80% of users prefer a touch screen. https://www.neowin.net/news/intel-80-percent-of-pc-users-prefer-touch-screens/
Windows 8 came out in 2012, and was in development years before that.
Laptops is a subset of PCs. Only 10% of laptops were touch, not 10% of computers.
80% of users are dumb. A touchscreen laptop is an expesnive way to get your screen dirty.
Huh.
Who?
That's not just MS, that's all the world. I think it can be called pessimism at rational design. With Apple's 90s decline and rebirth, and with many things in the 90s dying, the idea that you can't ever rationally predict what humanity will need, or at least what will win markets, has become the easiest for executives and public alike.
So they, like everyone else, were trying to catch the vibe. This has recently culminated in jumbo extrapolators being stuffed as a solution for every purpose involving computers. Honestly if before that mess someone would tell me that computers are going to present a text prompt as the universal human interface again, and it would be conversational, I'd be excited and say that this is all I need.
I think that it's similar to many other things - the first attempt at solving the problem is the wisest and the deepest. Machines had controls before computers available to everyone. Computer displays show UIs as those controls, traditionally. The same rules then apply that did before, control elements should differ by purpose and that purpose should be clearly indicated by form, color, feel and well-readable label. Computers also had, since teletypes, command line as a UI - you send a message of input, you get a message of output. A clear concept, connected to what a computer is.
We don't need to go further and invent some new UI paradigms just because we're not in digital-assisted heaven yet. But until the wide mass of users too knows that there's no digital heaven, they will want it, and they will want to break paradigms and be given something new, not what they have, but the better thing that their magic thinking tells them they can have, because of human instincts.
We have been there with metaverses in early 00s, people still use Second Life. Most of us have grown and understood, internalized there's no metaverse that can be built to create a digital heaven, or at least a digital space of cleaner philosophy and insight, like Lukyanenko's "Depth" (sorry, I have a limited cultural context, and this in feeling seems to fit better than classical cyberpunk).
Now we are living through a new wave, of people and families and social subcultures that didn't want to find such a metaverse, or create such a space, ever in their lives, and so didn't learn the lesson, personally or collectively. But they do want another heaven, one mixed with reality, more similar to Star Trek, and they are hungry for it, and they are trying to find it similarly to how 9yo me was trying to find knowledge how they make all those 3d games and how can you make one not just draw objects, but live.
Sorry for an emotional dump.
Back in the day my not-so-tech-savvy colleague bought a Windows 8.1 laptop that had a touchscreen. After two days she brought it to me and asked me if I could "rip this hellspawn out of this computer".
Before wiping it we checked if there was anything to backup and the ~30 minutes I spent using Win 8.1 were hideous. It was the only time I ever had to use it, of which I am very grateful.
I actually kept it in dual boot alongside Linux to play SWTOR.
I really hope these people don't accept that it's normal to charge for different desktop environments.
They’re not doing anything that’s violating licenses. I’m happy there’s different options. Having paid support is pretty cool if you’re a school or never ran Linux before. Other users will choose other distros. We should be happy, not tear into each other.
My concern is more oriented toward how capitalization of consumer-facing Linux will look if it proves to be a profitable site of expansion with Windows' decline in popularity. I don't care about licenses or the utility of the feature, though I do question its value when there are free options. The support is the more valuable thing, but again I worry about this success given that other distros have communities that serve the same purpose for free with only a little more labour from the user. It's a good thing this is happening at all, but we should be critical of how it happens.
You have to view this from outside your tech knowledge bubble.
I have friends that are "stuck on windows 10 because fuck windows 11". I urge them to give Linux a try via Live USB and they're hesitant to even do that.
The paid support path is there for people that want to try and escape and need the comfort of that safety net. They don't feel comfortable trying to figure out even where to search for information. And if they've gotten that far, having various instructions for different distros can make things confusing because they probably did a generic "my issue, linux" search or just did a "my issue" search and are seeing cryptic answers, including Mac and windows. If somebody needs that paid safety net, ZorinOS for an existing machine is great, System76/PopOS for something new.
If there is something that provides value (customer support or even the OS equivalent of a hat cosmetic) to the user, I have no concerns at all with that being sold. If that optional value could easily be done yourself with effort, those of us that know how to put in that effort ,are willing to put in the effort, or not afraid of the effort when unknown, will continue to do so. Those of us who don't match those criteria at least have an option.
You've assumed that I'm in a tech knowledge bubble. I use Linux for work, but I am not in the tech field even remotely. Even though I have some professional training and a hobby interest, which prepared me better, I had to use textbooks and online forums to learn how to use my Linux desktop comfortably. I regularly deal with students and am therefore very familiar with low tech-literacy, let alone others in my own life that I have helped. I know there is a skill barrier for entry into Linux.
What I am much better equipped to handle is broad social and economic developments historically, with a particular concern for capitalist erosion of community wellbeing and mutual aid. As I have said, I do not doubt there is value for consumers in this service and I do not doubt that this service appears to be reasonably priced to those consumers. My concern regards the potential attraction that such profitability could generate and that same tech-illiteracy would make users more easily coerced into capitalization. Those conditions are exactly why there is a social as well as skill barrier of entry into Linux. As you said, many consumers have been primed to accept convenience over skill-building, which in turn makes them less capable of choosing when something is not worth the price and abandoning a convenient user experience.
Again, it is good that more people try to make this switch -- Microsoft's near monopoly is undeniably a social detriment -- but we do not benefit from suspending criticism of how this switch happens just because we are happy it is happening.
They are just different layouts for Gnome, but it's annoying that they call what is essentially a donation to them a Pro edition. A donate button would likely make more as it feels philanphropic.
You do realize that includes support, right? Last time I checked, that is very much not a donation.
This is a good point, particularly in the context of value for new users. My comment is more regarding the precedent of framing desktop environments as some sort of premium feature. I do question how much value users still get out of that though, since so many Linux distros have communities that provide essentially the same service for free with a bit more labour on the user.
I personally found value in having that straight out of the box, curated and distilled down to what works and looks good.
I think it is very purposeful that Zorin has expansive marketing and frames features in terms of price value.
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also because w11 is filled with glitches and bugs to the brim.
Pretty sure 80% of them are just people distro hopping, we know the Linux community 😂
Swapped over to Mint a couple days ago, it plays ATOM RPG so I am contented with my slave jank.
How popular is it against other distros? First I've heard of it (admittedly doesn't say much since I'm used to the older ones), which makes me wonder how close to a million people did. Did influencers spread the word or something?
I've noticed Zorin does a lot of marketing and it comes in waves, you won't hear anything for months then it'll be everywhere for a few days.
Decade of the Linux Desktop. It’s here guys!
So... a few months before this, Linux had been noted to have just tipped 5% desktop market share...
What's it going to be like now? 6%? 10%!?
1.5 billion windows users, another million transfers to 1.499 billion windows and +0.001 billion Linux. The windows number was purely from Google, no validation has been done.
Mhmm. Though Zorin's only one distro. And not a really well known one. Fun to speculate around all the unknown variables.
Glad to be a statistic
I switched from Windows 10 to Mint. While there is a steep learning curve with basic things like adding an icons to the menu, I'm wishing I made the move earlier. There is a noticeable performance improvement with Stable Diffusion.
I'm just waiting till I can install SteamOS honestly. Love my steam deck, and wanted to turn my old win 10 PC into a Linux machine but has issues getting any distro loaded because I'm dumb and it's old. Hoping that when they release SteamOS for the chumps I'll be able to work it though probably will just be left holding an old win 10 pc lol.
Eli5 zorin...
Serious question, I'm a basic linux user (commandline and shell scripting, crontab, python...) what would I see/feel as different if I switched to Zorin OS?
Edit from mint
Imo, the fact you know what crontab is indicates your a bit more than a 'basic' user. You can give yourself more credit than that ;).
Anyway, like the other commenter said, depends where your switching from but Zorin is pretty much making Linux as easy to use as possible. They even have a wrapper for bottles that makes installing windows apps with wine easier. I quite like it and would be what I'd suggest to someone who wants a general purpose computer. It's not great for gaming though as they don't use super up-to-date packages so performance is lacking. That being said, it looks great and makes things as easy as possible for noobies
theyre fairly similar as far as i can tell. they both use gnome-terminal so you wouldnt notice any difference there.
mint seems more like a windows 7 style desktop, as in its more compact and meant to be used with a keyboard and mouse. zorin is more like windows 11 where there is more space around everything, which is ideal if you are also using a touchscreen some of the time
im definitely more of a zorin fan anyway. i have it installed on 2 computers, and i have mint on an old computer that i never use, just cos
Thanks!
As an old XP-liker I'll probably stay on Mint then 😁
If you feel comfortable in Mint, there's not a lot of reason to switch to Zorin. Under the hood they are quite similar. Similar tools, both based on Ubuntu, all quite similar.
The main benefit of Zorin is that it looks and feels a lot like Windows, so it's easier for someone switching from Windows. If you aren't switching from Windows, no need to use Zorin.
Funny when I was a noob, I DEF stayed away from Distro's that were like Window. I left MS for a reason & one of them was a ridged thene design. The Linux "noob" distros, are a FAD & are setting people up for failure. It's not Windows and that's the beauty of it. It's something we deserve as a highly evolved technologically advanced society. Anything else is stagnant and holding us back as a species.
Not everyone is the same. You might have left Windows because you want to theme and style your desktop. That's totally valid.
But there are other people who left for other reasons (hardware support, spying, cost, AI being forced onto them, Win11 design being too different, ...). And for those people using a system that looks, feels and works similar to what they are used to can be very beneficial.
Not everyone is the same and what works for one person might not work for another and vice versa.
That's not my only Reason. I'm a power user, gaming, p2p automated server. I use AI for coding, also BTW I use arch 💯 I just think coming to Linux, to have windows pc, is defeating the purpose of leaving. ALSO i love customizing too. but that the least!
This sounds similar to the debate surrounding meat substitutes. Most people don't give up meat because they don't like the taste of it, but because of animal suffering or the environmental impact. The same is likely true here. The problem isn't the Windows UI, but Microsoft's behavior as a company. For most people, the purpose of switching is likely to be things like greater freedom, privacy, independence, or a general rejection of proprietary software and big tech. Plus, there's the large group of people that Microsoft is trying to force into throwing away their perfectly functional PCs. In very few cases are these users likely to think that they dislike Windows itself. If Zorin's look and feel helps them achieve the switch, then that's great.
This is it.
Same as a lot of people would be very happy with a perfect meat-free replica of a wagyu steak, a lot of people would be happy with an open-source, privacy-respecting Windows that runs on old hardware.
No
From what OS, and for which activities?
Generally, I would advise vibe checking with a Ventoy USB and a live .iso. See if you find your marks, and can do basic stuff. Ventoy will allow you to try different distros in relatively quick succession
I'm an idiot, from Mint.
Not much,
I mean I downloaded 4 to try out.
There are two things that are keeping me attached to Windows - my PC not supporting Win11, and Photoshop. My god, if anyone can get a copy of Photoshop to work with Linux, I will say goodbye to Microsoft immediately.
(Yes, I've tried GIMP, Krita, et al. They didn't click for me. This is what 24 years of working with Photoshop does to a mf)
There is literally a "photoshop UI" plugin for GIMP, did you try it?
(Also, virtual machines/wimboat exist).
I was not aware. I'll give that a try, thanks
Winboat is not even close to being stable enough to recommend.
Didn't GIMP release an entire UI overhaul earlier this year?
Some people have muscle memory, like this user, so it makes sense that they could use the plugin's help.
For work or personal use?
If its for work then consider having two machines, using windows for the work machine and Linux for the personal one.
I have a windows VM for Adobe products, etc. Works fine for my usecase. If you need full GPU Acceleration (e.g. for Premiere), it gets a bit more complicated, but is doable still, as long as you have an iGPU or second GPU.
This may not suit you, but for me and my skills, it's a perfect Photoshop clone. All in the browser! Blows the doors off Gimp anyway.
https://www.photopea.com/
There’s still some retraining needed to go from CS to Affinity Suite, but I did it around 5 years ago after 25 years on Adobe and would never go back. And now Affinity 3 is effectively free for basic use. Of course, this is probably the beginning of the end for it as Canva attempts not-a-subscription services on the Affinity platform (making it freemium), but I expect my Affinity 2 suite will still work for years to come.
My legitimate copy of Photoshop CS6 works flawlessly with wine. But if you run the latest version it's a different story
Is that 780k only to Zorin, or to all of Linux?
Only to Zorin
This can only be good for Zorin OS.
780k should be enough for everyone.
Correcting the myth: Zorin never actually said that
I am ashamed to say that I did use windows 11 for longer than I should have.
At least Bill Gates won't be able to afford the third home for a distant cousin he's never met. /s
I think he could afford homes for any distant cousins, probably to the 15th degree
Can't blame them. The sloth has done so much to alienate their user base that should just kill the division
Good, keep going, people have become way too complacent about how much control their OS has over their lives, with a little bit of patience anyone can get on the Linux train these days.
More Windows refugees should flee to the Kingdom of Torvalds.
Says some distro nobody’s ever heard of
They actually come up relatively often in the true newby conversations. They put a big emphasis on making the OS feel like Windows by default to make people more comfortable as they look at switching.
I've seen it off and on in random Lemmy and Reddit talks, along with some of the usual "best xyz" article search results, that you take with a grain of salt. Though in these days where even Lemmy has its boting I take dang near everything with a bit of salt. Lucky me that I'm a bit of a salt fiend.
Emphasis on it being conversations for true blue noobs haven't dabbled and may not be very technical. To your point Mint and Ubuntu are right there next to it. By way of comparison I actually use Cachy and it's not "hard" but I would not give it to my parents.
And they did this by theming and extending Gnome, so Gnome must break it on their behalf bi-weekly.
cause its one of the very few distros that are not made for the terminal lover trans animeweeb crowd, but the everyday user. with a ui that doesnt force you to type all day. they were in the news on linux portals cause they do offer a premium pay2use version, and they are on mainstream tech site recommendations cause they do the dirty work and send out emails instead of ricing the shit out of a window panel and an inaccurate weather widget.
It's not. It's money grabbing garbage
For a lot of users, the fact that it has the windows theme is what makes it special. They don't want to have to relearn where everything is.
That being said, I set my mom up with Mint because I didn't want to have to support Zorin.
So? Lemmy?
pretty much
I wonder if ZorinOS gathers runtime statistics and can tell if those new installees stick with Linux or switch to Windows or MacOS.
ZorinOS, Microsoft, AND Apple can all go fuck themselves.
Free, open-source will have a bigger market share after this dust settles
THIS is the year of the Linux desktop!
Thanks Microsoft! Lol
Zorin is FOSS.
The fact that there's a pro version where you can pay for support does not break the GPL licence.
FOSS does not mean everything must be free of charge. It just means the user can access the source code and modify/share it if they wish.
while more users for linux systems is really good, i hope it wont get too big of a market share. I'd rather have malware makers focus on other operating systems. It would be so nice to have good support for everything while simultaneously not having to worry about malware that much.
I think most malware comes from installing cracked software from non-safe sources.
Linux already has a huge market share in servers, so it's already a prime target for malware. More desktop users won't make it worse.
Or installing software the Windows way: google "something doer" and click the second link, find the Download page and then click yes when it asks "Allow Sworn Enemies Of Democracy to make changes on this computer?"
You're browsing habits, emails & P2P mostly, just as you said.
what ways are there for browser to infect you, discounting obvious things like downloading something yourself? I assume javascript can do something, but are there other things?
That's narrow-minded. More users on Linux means greater compatibility. It also means less power for software giants like Microsoft, Apple, and Google. And it means more support for open source overall.
EnoughZorinSpam
A.S.T.E.R.
Is Zorin OS recommendable? I'm ready to at least dual boot if folks think thats cool
Alternatively, just... keeps Windows 10.
Am I crazy? Like, I would legitimately reinstall Windows 95 were it relatively feasible.
Is it really that ill-advised to rely on outside providers for additional security features?
Yes it is very ill advised as people often do important tasks on the PC including banking. In fact most people will delegate their most vulnerable tasks on the PC rather than the potentially more-secure mobile device.
To put this in perspective. There were 1,360 Vulnerabilities reported in 2024 for Windows. Not a single one will be patched after end-of-life.
There were unreported vulnerabilities that were waiting for end-of-life to be exploited.
https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2025/04/21/820580.htm
Those are crazy numbers, really exciting.
I use popOS and am really enjoying it.
Can it play .exe without wine
Can windows play .DMG ?
No
Yes, with dosbox.
What a bizarre qualifier.
You may as well complain about a kitchen by saying "but can it roast my turkey without using that oven?"
Of course it needs some form of translation layer or emulator in order to run programs from other OSes.
no
As long as it makes m$ shareholders pantshit, i'm all for it
The article isn't making any baseless claims. That's you.
The developers of the Linux-based Zorin OS say their latest release, Zorin OS 18, has already been downloaded more than one million times, and according to telemetry, over 78% of those downloads came from Windows systems. It's not a perfect proxy for real migrations, but it's a striking data point during a moment when Microsoft's user base is unusually restless
they need some clickbait news, that's why.
Zorin needs your email and payment
No, it doesn't.
https://help.zorin.com/docs/purchasing-zorin-os-pro/payment-methods/
For extra apps and some layouts
You chose the Pro version. The free version has a “skip to download” button under the email field.
So it doesn't then. Cool.
That's a fucking low number
It's a huge uptick especially for a relatively small Linux distro.
I'd be curious if Ubuntu, Mint, etc have seen similar jumps.