Microsoft finally admits almost all major Windows 11 core features are broken
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I swear to god, if I hear "Windows just works" one more goddamn time...
When did Microsoft steal Apple's marketing material?
Maybe I've just been lucky, but for several years and on several different machines I've found Linux just works, while Windows is an endless treadmill of frustration and brokenness.
Went from mint to cachyOS and besides some things being different it just works.
I'm the exact opposite, every Linux install has something fucked, but I've never experienced any of these major Windows issues.
Of course I never update immediately, an old habit. And I do experience plenty of issues with Windows like everyone else does, I've just been lucky with the major issues.
What didn't Microsoft steal?
my heart
Quit laying blame on my fart
My fart...
My fart.
I should have known I did shart
Need I go on?
Quality assurance?
My money because I always pirated.
Funnily enough they were actually able to snag like $5 from me through some dark pattern that most likely got my daughter to accidentally sign up for an O365 subscription when she was using my computer. I saw the email welcoming me to O365 and immediately cancelled but still
Well compated to others it did kind of just work. Plug&play, USB, most simple peripherics didn't need a driver to be manually installed and configured.
Windows 98 I guess.
Windows 98 SE, maybe. We didn't gain much traction there until about Win2k or XP.
Windows 98 in its original flavor didn't even support USB mass storage devices out of the box without drivers. Hands up everyone who remembers having to carry around one of those tiny driver CDs that came in the box with every single Sandisk Cruzer for a couple of years? Yeah? How quickly we forget.
✋
Yeah usb came with 98-SP2 IIRC
Windows 98 SE doesn't have it out of the box either. While it came well after Windows XP had taken over, in 2005 Maximus Decim released his USB drivers, which cobbles together USB mass storage drivers from newer versions of Windows, with modifications to get them working on Windows 98 with just an installer.
https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/win-98se-usb-issues.1240710/ https://msfn.org/board/topic/43605-maximus-decim-native-usb-drivers/
By the way, if someone is looking to actually use it, I just want to warn that version 3.6 replaces the System Control Panel component with the one Windows ME, which has a different look and feel and misreports the OS version. Version 3.5 doesn't do that and has worked with every flash drive I've tried, so I'd recommend that version.
I guarantee I will never use this information. But thank you anyway.
My recollection is that USB on windows was kind of a dumpster fire until XP. Or maybe that was just printers in general.
One thing (only good thing) about Vista was that it rationalised Printer (and Scanner) Drivers.
The UI was consistent between printer manufacturers and everything could be accessed through one interface.
Then the Printer manufacturers complained to MS because they couldn’t have infinite branding all over the interface and the feature was dumbed down in 7.
Meanwhile Apple used the same UI for all Printers (based on CUPS) and didn’t even let a company logo appear in the interface.
Not all the Apple CUPS drivers were available for Linux CUPS so unfortunately Linux (at the time) still had their device compatibility issues.
Hell I remember when USB on PCs was basically a set of pins on the motherboard and you had to buy the actual port assembly separately and hope there was somewhere reasonable on your case to mount it. Was going absolutely nowhere on PC until the iMac came and did away with all other ports and no peripherals built in.
I remember my sister winning an iPod and gave it to me, because she didn't need it. I had to run to the computer store in town to purchase a USB deck for my motherboard. Fun times.
What is a “USB deck”?
I can't remember what it's called, and I was drunk last night lol. It was a USB card with pins you slottet into the motherboard, just like GPUs.
Probably a square rectangle of plastic you'd add to your PC, like a CD player, but with a USB connector. And wires/card towards the mobo. Cases always had like 2-4 emplacements for those kind of things on the front.
More like they adopted Bethesda's marketing material after they acquired ZeniMax
But Linux is too difficult, someone might suggest you use the terminal.
And don’t get me started on the people who assume macOS does not have a command line.
Bonus points if they open Spotlight and type "CMD".
But most users never need to open it because Apple at least tests their OS before yeeting it into prod, unlike this hot mess.
It does, if you are talking about pre 11, and dont care about internet pre 10. But otherwise fuck Microsoft with a rusty shovel, theyve ruined anything good about windows and make it harder and harder not to switch to steamos, the only reason I don't is because of the pain of reinstalling everything and not having the drive space to shuffle files to it.
"Omg Linux is so hard!!" Meanwhile Windows:
“Linux is an objectively worse OS because you have to run all kinds of weird commands in an esoteric command line to even get it to work right”
Meanwhile: windows just works! You just have to run this batch file from some guy on GitHub, download this powershell script from some woman on MSDN, apply these reg hacks, and run this freeware debloat tool, and it’s smooth sailing after that. Well, at least until the next cumulative update which will make you repeat this process all over again. Oh whoops, something you did broke the install. Better sfc /scannow or clean install and try again!
What kind of idiots create a program that says, "Outlook failed to load. Repair application?" when the only problem is the wifi is disconnected?
vibe coders
The problem is that someone decided to dumb down the error message to not scare users, instead of passing on the real error code from the application that people could Google and fix in 5 mins themselves.
Dumb downed? They've taken a simple error and made it into something that does scare users. The "Repair application?" was far more alarming to my visiting friend than a "No Internet connection" would have been. It is astounding that any company would put out such complete shit.
Imagine they removed the oil, engine and fuel lamps, and then while driving:
Car Malfunctioning. Attempt Repair?
Sorry, your subscription to CarRepair has expired. Would you like to renew for $29.99 recurring monthly and allow your car to start again? Clippy can wait forever and even has tips about roadside engine repair!*
*tips included with paid subscription
Your HP car is out of driving fluid! Would you like to order a 50l of original quality driving fluid cartridge for only 4999.95 ? Using illegal aftermarket driving fluid voids warranty!
Don't give them more ideas
It's like this with a blue screen. You used to tell you what went wrong but now it just shows a :-( Which is pathetic.
The tiny text and QR code actually have the error still. It’s just the frowny face is 10x the font size.
They're just generic error messages though. If you actually want to know what went wrong you have to go into the error log, which hopefully you actually have access to. If it just blue screens on boot your SOL unless you're in a corporate environment with external logs.
On top of that, the logs for the actual support technicians are scattered all across the filesystem.
C:\ProgramData\C:\Users\AppData\RoamingorLocalor maybeLocalLowC:\Windows\TempIt's own install folder
C:\ProgramsC:\Programs (x86)Like...why (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)
Maybe one folder was so full, they had to open up a new, bigger folder...?
My decision to switch to Linux feels better and better every day. Windows 11 sucks.
Why does File Explorer freeze just because I opened it?!?
Every time???
How do they mess this up so bad?
They made their devs use copilot.
Yep. Vibe coding. Replacing knowledge and experience with hallucinations since 2025.
After firing everyone who knew anything about how the code worked.
I went back to Win10 at work because file explorer on Win11 was unusable. I'm not waiting a half second every single time I enter a subfolder.
and even worse in a OneDrive directory, often a full two seconds
that wasn't the only issue, but it legitimately prevented me from being able to do my job, because I needed to be able to multitask on several projects at once. what used to be a two minute turnaround on a question somebody would ask me became hours, simply because I could not navigate to a directory in fifteen seconds and check a file quickly. and oh god the file explorer crashes
unfortunately I still deal with a bunch of that on Win10 now, because they somehow introduced that behaviour with greater frequency into Win10 in the past year
It's amazing how a second or 5 at so many levels causes micro-frustration. And it builds up, too.
I admit I lose just a bit of my shit when the neu web-service web-apps get sluggish, which seems to be very often. Those of us who remember the halcyon days where things were responsive on a pentium know better than to accept the current mess.
My tolerance for the poor performance and saas-linked core services is rapidly waning.
The scariest part is how the general population just accepts how bad Windows is, because they don't have a concept of what a decent piece of software looks like. They just assume that they hate computers but are simply forced to tolerate it to do their job.
File explorer has always been a weak point in Windows, it just got better in the later versions. Which speaks volumes about this OS too.
There's a third party file explorer that works amazingly and it's super fast. It's freeware while in beta: https://filepilot.tech/
If a single guy can do it, why can't Microsoft?
https://www.voidtools.com/
You might be interested in this tool
everything + qttabbar are what make work possible for me
without them, I'd be so inefficient. idk how my coworkers manage without. well, I do, they're slow af sometimes
I'm so glad I blocked all the updates from MS on mydesktopm. It's a nice stop gap until I get moved to linux
Lol no arch for me just yet and esp no beta arch lmao. I'm working through my computers and devices at the moment. I have liked Zorin so far and have it on two laptops. I also swapped a fire tablet to lineage last week and I just replaced my phone and got a pixel and installed Graphene as well. I'm getting there. Just have my last laptop and my desktop to migrate. I'm putting off my desktop until I can migrate off a couple services. Also because I know it'll be a major biiiiiitch. I have so many tools lol
It's really frustrating to me how enmeshed the big three are in our daily lives. And how difficult it can be to fully cleave from them.
Oh my goodness, ...sorry if I sound negative, but, ...that looks very tag-spammy for Lemmy. I was shocked, haha!
Regardless though, Mastodon user, welcome! Welcome to Lemmy, too!
The funny thing is that both Outlook and OneDrive work way better on the Mac.
I just wish they were available for Linux.
Too sad that alternatives like Thunderbird doesnt have anything like automated rules or quicksteps.
I thought those linux guys were all about automating the shit out of their desktop???
Uhhhh automated rules (called filters) are literally built in and go far more in-depth than outlook ever did. Quick steps I believe would require a plugin though
Here's a support article even: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/organize-your-messages-using-filters
To those filters act on incoming emails?
If I open Outlook at work, the newsletters I monitor get automatically sorted to the appropriate folder and don't require any interaction.
Yes they do! For example, here's a single rule I have setup which moves all of the various emails from ecommerce sites into a dedicated folder so they don't clutter my inbox
On Outlook each of those line items within my "online shopping" rule would have to be an individual rule, making my outbook rules far more cluttered and difficult to maintain. Thunderbird also lets you do partial matches, so places like LinkedIn and Indeed who send emails from lots of different addresses can be covered on a single "from" line whereas Outlook would require a dedicated rule for each of those addresses and you'd have to keep creating rules as the sites keep spinning up new emails.
Thunderbird also has a surprisingly good junkmail algorithm in place. It requires some training by marking junk emails as junk and unmarking legitimate emails, but once its trained it works really well
Oh yeah it also does this awesome conversation threading now automatically, and honestly the overall views showing the big list of messages is super good with lots of useful info at a glance and far less digging through conversation history to find a specific email. Honestly I'd hazard to say Thunderbird has a better interface than Outlook now.
Good to know and appreciated.
But that's such a stupid name. At least I wouldnt call it a "Filter" rule and more of a sorting rule.
Well guess that's why I
didnthavent found it earlier ;)On Linux there is "onedriver", a 3rd party onedrive client. Works great, but iirc not with sharepoint shares linked in your onedrive folder.
https://github.com/jstaf/onedriver
I have that problem on my son's pc. It's definitely an io issue. A faster disk would solve the problem.
So would a working OS.
Slow disk is not the problem.
Maybe a factor, but it is not a problem.
lol that's not the issue here
that can give you the same symptoms, but the tiniest bit of troubleshooting proves that that is not the scenario I have
Could be, my kids have identical pc's, but the disks are different. One has a slower ssd and its symptoms are exactly how you described, I knew it was slower but it's all I had around. Both pc's have SATA ssds. We're saving for new disks, which I'm sure will alleviate the symptoms.
At work a similar problem with Windows server. The hosting company changed the IO tier and like snow these issues disappeared. Clicking start and waiting for it to open would take a minute, completely unacceptable, but ultimately fixed by having faster storage.
I'm not saying Microsoft is doing good work, I'm suggesting a workaround until they do, which we both know is very probably never.
They already pushed out older hardware with Windows 11, they won't care about slower storage options.
Do you have disconnected network drives or slow to spin-up?
Because that froze mine on the regular.
I have a computer at work that has like 10 phones plugged into it. Opening “this PC” part of file explorer freezes it for about 5-10 minutes. It’s a very fun issue when I forget about. Normally I just avoid that screen.
It’s a fun bug.
Because you opened it in Windows 🤣
That said, did they fix the issue where explorer (with the desktop) would just randomly crash for no reason? I've worked in IT for 3 months and it was a frequent issue.
I had this just last night and didn't realise. Everything else was working fine, but then I glanced at my phone and realised that it was 2 hours later than the computer was showing.
Microsoft, you already got me to leave Windows, you don't have to keep sending me reminders, I wasn't at risk of wanting to come back...
Individuals that were forced to upgrade automatically, too.
KOLANAKI
None of this shit every happens to me. But I'm sure lemmy will insist that it does. 🤷🏻
The only reason it hasn't updated to 11 for me is because I don't have TPM enabled in my BIOS. But it has nagged me a lot.
Do you think everyone other than you is lying? And that all the articles about issues in Windows are false?
It's like everyone collectively forgot Microsoft calling Windows 10 "the final Windows version". How they avoided litigation about making non TPM hardware obsolete right after is bonkers.
Or just switched
See. This is why they need AI. Copilot will fix all of the issues if they just ask it nicely and tell it to not make mistakes.
And that is how it began...
Nah, copilot will see the code is unsalvageable. So it'll start replacing it with code learned from public repositories. Windows becomes Linux. Year of the Linux desktop achieved.
As silly as that sounds, it is the absolute truth.
I use copilot at work all the time and it's incredibly useful. However, it needs careful supervision to produce good quality. And obviously, you need to understand code and what quality means to be able to guide it, otherwise it's just the blind guiding the blind.
Personally I think the problem is the culture which doesn't promote quality, but speed and the wow factor. You don't get promoted for releasing a bug free product, you get promoted for making yourself noticed among the upper management.
Install Linux.
That’s quite a headline they’ve got there!
IT'S ALL BROKEN, ALL OF IT!"
Lemmy eats this shit up, feeds their Linux-superiority complex, like a bunch a teenage atheists who just figured out god isn't real and needs to tell everyone what idiots they are.
Get a life, man
I take it you tried Linux and found it too difficult?
Ran Linux as a daily driver, many versions, on and off, for 20-years. Over all, it's a pain in the ass. Built several "little old lady" laptops for charity customers. Linux works a charm if all you need is FaceBook and email!
It amazes me that lemmy evangelizes Linux, then posts 100 comments about how this, that and the other Linux OS sucks, has security issues, how theirs is superior, and "why doesn't my $peripheral work?" And the answers are always the same, "You just have to $directions.* I don't need $directions for my shit to work on Windows.
Want to see how to collect angry downvotes? Visit a post talking about how Microsoft is doing some evil new thing or how they've broken a feature. Merely comment this:
"I don't have that issue. Never seen it."
No rebuttals, no nothing, just "fuck you for saying so". Angry new atheists.
I don't give a crap what OS you use. A lot of us aren't evangelizing anything, we're just trying to bring people up-to-date on the current state of Linux, which is pretty good to be honest. That is then misinterpreted as elitism because tone of voice isn't transmitted over text.
People are concerned about the direction Windows is going and a lot of us are justifiably mad about it. But mentioning Linux instead of linking to the debloat scripts and masgrave summons people that hate the Linux of 10-20 years ago.
Feels like you bought into the MSCE religion of the early 2000's and are annoyed at all the infidels that didn't.
I get it, but maybe there's a reason?
When I lost my faith in religion I was annoying because it had wasted so much of my time and effort, as well as causing stress and creating issues where none existed. I wanted other people to feel as free as I did, and it was obvious that it was more reasonable to switch after I had, and it was easy.
When I lost my faith in Microsoft I was annoying because it had wasted so much of my time and effort, as well as causing stress and creating issues where none existed. I wanted other people to feel as free as I did, and it was obvious that it was more reasonable to switch after I had, and it was easy.
Maybe just test your reasoning. Try Linux, or test the boundaries of your faith. See how it feels. Maybe other people have a point, as annoying as they may be.
Personally, I don't push the religion thing anymore. I don't feel like it does much good and is a waste of my time. Pushing Linux though? Yeah, that does do good, for the people switching and for the ecosystem. The more people move off of Windows and other closed platforms the more open things become, and the more choices consumers get.
They could resolve many things if they did not push AI so hard, or making stupid things like removing the local account option, windows recall, etc.., but i guess SHAREHOLDERS.
We aren't the consumer anymore. We are the product. The vessel which makes them money by collecting, storing, and selling our data. They don't care about making a good OS for their users anymore. Just a money train to prove their value to their shareholders.
Best part is they tied up everyone’s retirement into it. Can’t even say you want that shit to crash without grandma getting nasty.
I don't even have any Microsoft stock, but I still wanna get nasty with your grandma.
Man, I have 3 windows 11 desktops and a laptop. Sometime in the last month all of their edge browsers became “managed by my organization”… they’re all personal computers with no work info on them. And I can’t undo it. I’ve tried every trick on the internet. Fuck MS.
Did you use ShutUp10 or something similar? It says that when settings are changed via registry/group policy. It doesn't actually have anything to do with your work.
Shoot. Probably. Crapfixer was used early in my installs. Ugh. Either way it prompted me to switch all of my computer computers over to Brave and I am very happy with the switch.
We have finally gotten rid of Windows on all PCs in our house this week and my partner has taken the plunge. Even with a little faff he says he is never going back lol.
Did you switch to Linux?
I've been on Linux for ages, he was the hold out haha.
You know I never really thought about it but do you think the spying tools these companies provide ever fail like the way their other products do?
Nah, if there's one thing they thoroughly test, it's the spying.
A-ha! So that's where the development resources go. To where the money's made.
One might hope
In last April:
"Satya Nadella says as much as 30% of Microsoft code is written by AI"
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/29/satya-nadella-says-as-much-as-30percent-of-microsoft-code-is-written-by-ai.html
Vibe coding!?
Oh yes. That'll make windows even better. Doh!
I totally asked Claude what vibe coding was. Programmers that code and use AI to help. Got it.
My understanding of vibe coding is that it's using AI to write code without reviewing the code, because the person doing the "vibe coding" isn't actually a programmer and thus aren't capable of actually reviewing code. That's why a senior developer using an LLM wouldn't be considered "vibe coding", for example.
Yup.
Well... it's still plausible that a senior developer could still be vibe coding. We'd hope they not though.
And the other way too... can use an LLM and not be doing vibe coding. Like me (not considered a "senior developer"), making fin, with extensive consultations with several LLM, I insist is not vibe coded. https://lemmy.wtf/post/26550037
Takes a lot of discipline to not succumb to just blindly letting the machine do it, not reviewing nor learning the code; Takes discipline to keep using it as a tool to expedite your learning. Too easy a lure to fall for, the illusion of its competence and convenience.
"We believe when you let a machine do the work of a man, you take something away from the man." (or words to that effect), from one of the Star Trek TNG movies.
Vibe coding is basically yoloing the output and running it without checking anything.
That was this April
sorry I think in academic calender
Ah but there are also a lot of minor features in Windows 11 that aren't really looking too good.
Completely off topic, but I hate when articles appear to link to original sources, but only link to their own site.
“Microsoft admitted that …” -> link to Microsoft’s admission? Nope, to a neowin article.
“Nvidia released a patch …” -> links to a neowin article instead of the patch.
“Microsoft KB 0000” -> surely this will link to the actual KB? Nope, neowin article.
IT has been an interesting ride the last two months, encountering some of the weirdest bugs I've ever seen, after two decades of Windows working just fine for the most part.
Yeah. Weird vibes.
*Weird vibe codes
Exactly
Had one yesterday where sound in win11 worked, except in browsers. Multiple browsers just wouldn't output any sound through any site.
Haven't fixed it yet.. it was end of shift and there was a dell bios update to run (which has been known to fix some of the weird shit around there.) I uninstalled all the third party audio drivers, rebooted for the bios update, and called it a day. Will check on monday, haha.
I've seen a bunch.
Had my phone wish me a happy birthday on the wrong day. I had a whole folder of emails inexplicably moved back into my inbox, and yes, various wacky hardware problems.
It's clear that a bunch of the people they laid off were QA people.
I use windows 11 everyday, without issue. what exactly is broken?
Kind of a wide variety of things that varies from person to person in often absurd ways -- broken in ways I've never seen Macs or Linux systems be, nor even Windows 10 and older.
And that's just my personal experiences. The ones I've seen others deal with is much weirder.
Honestly I'm buying more into the idea of how ostree distros work; Windows is like a very broken version of that anymore.
On my work computer when I maximize a window, I get a little strip of desktop still showing between the window and the start bar.
I've been using windows 11 for six months. when I hover over the taskbar, a phantom windows explorer window appears, but it's not clickable and it disappears when I move the mouse away. my right hand monitor has a white box with a small 'no' symbol in it stuck in the middle of the screen. it doesn't seem to derive from any running application and I cannot get rid of it. on the windows 10 install I ran before, the task manager totally stopped working, it just froze every time I opened it. I run Linux on all my other machines and stuff does go wrong, but it goes wrong in ways that make sense to me and which I can fix. on windows people just tell you to run sfc scannow and reinstall if it doesn't work. that's no way to live your life.
I had a random no symbol on my external monitor that was being caused by its OSD detecting microphone mute and showing an icon.
This certainly isn’t a fix, but if you try to screenshot the icon and it shows up, you’ll know it’s being drawn by the computer and not the monitor.
Might give you a direction to investigate :)
One I see daily at work is File Explorer adding an extra 'window' when you hover over the icon in the taskbar. If you click on it, nothing happens, and you cant close it either.
It doesn’t understand the concept of “no means no”.
I'll add, Clicking on running programs in the task bar and they refuse to become the active window. You need to work through them all to fine one that works before they all start working again.
At work I've had issues with the Start Bar not showing any/most programs and centering the one program that does show up (even though I have it left aligned). Then when I mouse over it, it'll try to move to where it should be causing it to jump around and be unclickable.
I've also had the file explorer just stop working entirely.
This is on a pretty powerful dev laptop, so it's not lack of resources.
That being said I've never heard of anyone else having that issue so it seems rare.
The article is about a XAML bug, which affects a lot of core components, when used in a corporate setting.
The start menu is mostly white for me. I have to type out what I want because I can't navigate it
"no kink shaming" is a hard rule to follow sometimes
Your perception
lol
Not that they're going to fix any of them though.
"We'll slap some 'AI' on any a few things and, boom, it'll fix itself" -Whoever the Microsoft CEO is now
Hey relax, take it easy now, don't make crazy demands on Microsoft.
They've just recently released Windows 11, and I'm sure they will have it completed soon,
and have all core features broken.
When do I get a calendar on my systray or whatever they call it on my other monitor?
That was seriously the biggest regression I noticed immediately when I upgraded my work laptop. A colleague was pissed they couldn't move the task bar too
Some anecdotal evidence, but when I boot into my W11 install for certain online games, I have none of these issues mentioned. My 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC + StartAllBack setup- knocks on wood- continues to be bullet proof. For anyone who still needs Windows, I highly recommend it.
I have zero issues with Win11, but if I state that, lemmy tells me to go fuck myself.
For real, lmao.
Well, get on with it.
well in general it's just not really a helpful thing to say... imagine your car won't start and a bunch of other people say "I have zero issues with mine"
I've only been supporting Enterprise for a while, but for me Win 11 is just Win 10 with more graphical overhead, and a start menu coded with React for some goddamn reason, because it's fun to gamble as to how many seconds it will take to pull up the start menu this time.
Which is where StartAllBack comes into play. Its not just one sluggish mess. It feels normal lol.
I also like how it randomly brings up some random website first instead of an installed application I'm looking for. Corporate policy says windows, so I get paid to deal with it, but it helps only so much.
wHy ARe yOu nOT iMprEssEd?
Open shell is a helpful solution that replaces some of the problems in the windows UI at least for the start menu.
OpenShell github
It's pretty easy to customize most elements for the style you prefer and no adverts.
They're contributing to making the world a better place by increasing Linux adoption. Thank you anonymous Microsoft vibe coders and overly enthusiastic PMs.
They're going to be heroes when they fix Windows
Hope they fix it the same way spaying or neutering dogs is called fixing: Prevent it from propagating further.
I heard some podcasters recently promote the idea/wish that M$ release the source code for Windows3.1.
Could be how Windows starts to get fixed.
Maybe, idk.
I (and the podcasters) meant also re-licensed under a Free Software license, like GNU GPL.
I have a computer that broke from 24H2. Huge pain in the ass and no matter what I do, looks like reinstalling is the only fix.
So when will we see W12?
Oh right, never mind. 🐧
Here are some Windows 12 rumors (pulled from one of the biggest German-language tech news sites citing insider information)
https://www.computerbild.de/artikel/cb-News-Windows-12-Geruechte-Release-Systemanforderungen-Download-2025-33395891.html
A subscription lol. I'll keep on running Linux.
Ironically, I use Linux like a subscription model.
I donate $10/month, split among projects I get the most value from.
And it's a vastly better value for money than a Microsoft 365 license.
The difference lies in what happens when you stop payments.
You're right, but it just doesn't feel as dirty that way 😂
Probably never, Windows 10 was supposed to be the last version of Windows we'd ever need and they just killed that.
I will be using Win10 for dev and audio purposes, then I'll install Linux on my main PC too, not just my ThinkPad.
Depending on your needs and hardware, Linux audio can bring full satisfaction. The new subsystem, Pipewire (replacing both PulseAudio and JACK) is very convenient and still low latency. Applications are still catching up but the ecosystem has made major strides in recent years.
Good to know that, some of my new favorite plugins (Neural Amp Modeler, Inner Pitch 2) have Linux native versions, probably there's also a way to run the old Kjaerhus Audio VSTs on Linux.
I use yabridge for running VSTs and it is normally great, however it isn't compatible yet with the newest WINE versions.
Microsoft has government and cooperate costumers that will keep paying them for decades. Why care? If MSword still works, people will buy it.
Except they're slowly being ditched for Linux. LibreOffice can do most things MSOffice can. One thing it cannot do is "cooperative work online, in an Office365 document", which might force governments to develop their own solutions instead of letting users hide other people's fields, then waste my work time on duckduckgoing all the newly discovered cell hiding methods, because some other institute's office workers thought it was useful to them, but forget to unhide them every time.
I'll take it one step further and say that if you absolutely must use Office, O365 works in a browser on any operating system. You literally don't need Windows anymore for that.
It sounds like you can just log out and back in to fix it? For a local system, the article says it only occurs for "First time user logon after a cumulative update was applied."
I'm administering >300 virtual desktops running Windows 11.
Imagine what my phone would sound like if I pushed this update.
Just net send everyone a message saying that if they have issues, they need to reboot.
(is net send still a thing?)
They'll either click it away without reading it, or I'll get a hundred calls asking if they were hacked.
'Party pooper' ;-)
Windows 11 are broken
All your brokens are belong to us.
LanguageTool agrees that this sentence is correct.
(Edit to say that I understand why it's not.)
Well, it does boot most of the time. So it's not completely broken, just majorly broken.......
Last month they broke audio drivers, so USB connected speakers were not being recognised unless they had third-party drivers. The native windows drivers just stopped recognising them as audio devices, and just listed them as Unknown Device.
Windows could see them, it had no idea what they were, or what to do with them. So you had no audio.
The only solution was to continuously restart until eventually it randomly worked.
Or could take a look at the code, find what's broken, and see if you can find how to mend it, and either offer a pull request or fork it...
... ohhhh but wait.
It's broken at that level too. Denied the right to repair.
What it boots into is broken.
The more it works, the more it's broken.
It's broken that much, at such a deep level.
For what it’s worth, my KDE file browser would freeze up when I had a WebDav network drive to a server that went offline, not exactly elegant either, just opening my home folder and randomly after a second or two ….. all software can bug in bad ways.
The main difference is KDE doesn't make disgusting money off it, and if someone cares enough they can actually submit a fix
That's the reason I put up with a lot of FOSS issues: "I'm not paying you for this, so it's still a better price/result ratio than paid services"
True, I've experienced that bug.
The big different is that, depending on how knowledgeable you are, you can either report the bug, you can diagnose it (check the logs, trace and profile the calls), dig in the code, patch it or try a patch someone developed for the bug, or simply ignore it and use a different file browser. That freedom is priceless.
With Windows you're stuck waiting for the next upgrade that may or may not break something else and brings new and exciting AI and telemetry shoved into it.
That is definitely an annoyance. But the cause is not your file browser or KDE. The webdav has been mounted to the system and when an application tries to use it, it runs into a timeout. You can't even unmount it, since that requires the system to talk to the network drive.
This is also not limited to webdav, it happens with all kinds of network drives. This is something that needs to be addressed at the core level of Linux. But I have no expertise, so no real clue where exactly.
this is a file browser or KDE issues, as file system operations shouldn't happen on the UI thread. if it weren't happening on the UI thread then it would keep working.
The same behavior happens for me in a different file browser (Nemo) and a different Desktop (Cinnamon). So I'm pretty confident, it is no isolated KDE issue.
not an isolated one, but an issue in all of these you mentioned too. this is a common design mistake devs make if they don't use the network share functions or slow storage, because they don't notice there is a problem and how severe it is
Even windows does that if the network drive is unavailable, it'll spend about 30 seconds trying to reach it before giving up. And if you accidentally try to query that network location again you get to wait another 30 seconds before you can do anything related to files
I ain't got no problems using SFTP and SMB
I don't believe that is a KDE specific issue. I've seen it in most DE's
It's more of a mount/file system limitation. For whatever reason you have to explicitly tell the file system that if it can't connect to something, to timeout.
Add a timeout to your mount rule and if it ends up being unavailable it'll just timeout instead of freezing your file browser.
Also happened to me just yesterday when I put my raspberry PI offline that served as a NAS, dolphin just became frozen...
If it is this easy to reproduce, maybe we should file a bug report - it is really annoying/buggy behaviour. I am not opening the network folder, so maybe it’s trying to greedely cache media files for preview thumbnails or something, I don’t know..
Trinity's more stable and dependable.
Or openbox, declared feature complete something like a decade ago.
Cries in supporting multi-user AVD Hosts
This is why I have always waited for the version that is just like the previous ones, but fixed. 3.11, 98SE, XP SP2, 7, 10...
I need to get a new computer, and it has to have windows, but I'm not getting freaking Win11. Gimme Win12.
Hate to break it to you but those days are over.
From what we know so far, Win 12 will go all in on AI, cloud and a subscription model.
My prediction is that they'll go full SaaS and make the non-pro version "free", with a whole raft of features "cloud only" behind a Azure/O365 subscription.
That system fell apart when they showed they could not count to 9. 10 Should have been 9, and it was mid at best.
Really hoping Microsoft fails for everything ezcept Xbox. Then Xbox team takes over and then turns the company into a private non-stock unionized one
Would love to see what an Xbox-lead Microsoft can do with it reformed
What are Microsofts most moneymaking fields aboce Xbox? Are they getting eroded at all?
Xbox feels like the biggest one being eroded rn... i don't think what Xbox is doing is any good nor would it help the main business
Azure is the cloud backbone of many businesses and services, so if Windows went away, MS would still have their fingers in a number of pies.
I've previously predicted that Microsoft would slowly divest of Windows thanks to declining desktop/laptop markets and eventually as a cost saving measure cut over to just making a Linux distro with their own proprietary DE.
As it is if the rumors are true that they're destroying their codebase with AI coding they'll have quite the job ahead of them to clean it all up once the AI bubble pops. They'd have two easier options essentially at that point: either roll back 2-6 years in their codebase and rebuild every update and change that they wanted to keep or rewrite from scratch (which they'd basically be looking at in order to clean up the AI mess) I could very much see a future where Microsoft looks at that gargantuan job and says "ehh let's just use someone else's work" and shifts to a Linux of BSD kernel
Embrace, extend, extinguish...
lol absolutely zero chance of that ever even being a possibility.
Xbox OG was good, everything since then has been garbage. The UI just makes me want to vomit and reminds me of windows 8.
Forget them too. I'm all full steam ahead on SteamOS.
Hate to break it to you but Xbox is pretty much the bottom rung of Microsoft in terms of profit, and Xbox management and leadership are incompetent - hence why it’s being more and more taken over by the Windows team.
Windows is also tiny. Azure and office/365 are the big money makers.
So they've taken a leaf out of KDE's development book.
Is windows11 Microsoft's KDE4 moment?
I feel like Windows 11 is just another Microsoft "Windows moment".
What's your preferred DE?
Does it have to be a DE?
Preferred WM is Xmonad (with my tabular boonad config, the grandpa version).
But much love also for herbstluftwm.
And dwm, openbox, icewm, i3, and others.
I have all these window managers in my wmrotate scripts in my wminizer script, so I can kill one and move to the next, without losing all running gui programs, keeping my X11 session going.
But if it has to be strictly DE...
I guess LXDE's still my fave.
Respect to XFCE and Trinity too. And Mate.
KDE's awesome. Big love to it again, after it got settled in after the KDE4 debacle.
LXQt's fine too (though I prefer LXDE).
I've not tried Cosmic.
I dont know my way around cinnamon and the various other similar. Only briefly experienced.
GNOME have utterly lost the plot.
Why'd you ask?
I'm what some call a "normie" Linux user, so I like desktop environments. I run KDE Neon on my main workstation, and then I have a laptop running CachyOS.
You seem like an expert who has strong opinions. I'm interested to listen and read about people's likes and dislikes about niche subjects, such as desktop environments.
It's frightening to me that I seem like an expert.
I also don't think I have "strong opinions". Just ever evolving preferences as I continue to explore.
I'll adjust and say that you're, in my eyes, a "power user", since I had not considered running my daily driver "headless" with WMs instead of with a DE until your comment. If "strong opinions" is too "strong", I'll also adjust and say I am interested in said evolving preferences and, more importantly, the reasoning behind them.
Good stuff.
Though, I don't think "headless" is the correct term there.
I asked Mistral LLM to check...
Some do use their GNU+Linux (or BSD or others), running in just TTY, just the terminal, without X11 or wayland, but even then that does not necessarily mean no GUI, with some graphical tools (like "mpv" is a good example) able to run without a graphical server (and certainly at least TUI... the web browser "browsh" is a good example). And not necessarily not headless either, with either direct use, or perhaps ssh'ing in through a network, or just running things configured to automate (as per the example the LLM gave). "Dumb terminals" are another related thing, where the "head" is separate.
As an Apple shareholder, I’d just like to thank Microsoft for their outstanding contribution to selling more Macs.
That Win10 extended update program is great if you need it fyi
Massgrave + Win10 IOT LTSC enterprise would be a better play
Isn’t that exactly what the person you replied to is talking about?
The extended support program is the one-year extension for the consumer versions (Home and Pro) and it requires a mandatory Microsoft account and data harvesting. Win10 IOT LTSC is contractually obligated to be supported until 2032 - and conveniently has all the garbage included in the consumer versions removed.
How…Microsoft of them.
Its a three year program. And you don't HAVE to pay for it ;)
buys you a little extra time to move to linux
I've still got a year of updates on my Verizon of 10. I'm going to use them.
I finally went 100% Linux and I'm never going back.
I use Linux on everything except my gaming rig... There are games that I like that only run on windows. As soon as that's handled I'll make the switch on they machine too.
I solved that for most of them by going AMD with my last upgrade. No more binary drivers solved most of my issues. All that's left is really the anti-cheat kernel garbage. For that I just decided fuck it. I found it easier to stomach changing some gaming preferences than the Microsoft ecosystem.
It's nice of them to admit it, but saying Windows is broken is a bit like saying water is wet
Didn't windows 11 become available long ago? Did no one ever try it out before the hostage situation?
Certainly not the beta testers
Maybe all the dependable beta testers who would report bugs had already left to Linux or BSD.
Or like the other commenter replied here suggests,
Maybe dependable beta testers who would report bugs had too steep a workload they gave up and moved to Linux or BSD.
I mean they pretty famously laid off the majority of their QA teams around the time of the Windows 10 rollout
I tried it for a couple of months when it first came out. At that early point it wasn't too bad for usability. But, after a decent look around it, I wiped it and went back to Linux on my laptop.
Guess what! 😱😂
The real fix is switching to Linux if possible.
Geez, talk about spreading FUD 🙄
So it happens once, after this update was applied. Jesus christ the level of fake outrage and exaggeration is insane and should be studied.
This is a thing us sysadmins should be aware of. And that's the end of the fucking story.
Lemmy, through gritted teeth, "NAOWW! Your Windows install SUCKS!"
"Mine doesn't have any of the issues I read about on lemmy."
GET. BENT.
No lie. Every time I've merely mentioned that I'm not having the issues we're raging about, downvoted, not one single reply. I'll get downvoted on this comment, no one will have a single rebuttal. Watch.
Then they'll hop over to other groups to trash on various Linux distros, "how do I get my video working?", "why is this a total clusterfuck?", and so on.
Same people talked me into switching to Firefox. What a fucking mess. I was on Edge the other day thinking, "Wow, internet is working exceptionally well today! Oh, forgot to switch back to the superior browser."
And these same people tell me several times a day to switch to Linux. Been there, done that, many times over the last 20-years. Headless Linux for servers? Only way to fly. Desktop? "Well, you can't use all your peripherals, and you'll have to navigate janky versions of the software you're used to, but it's better!"
Aw someone's a wittle bit cwanky 🥺
You're sysadmin that has issues with Firefox.... What?
This has to be a ragebait account.
^ See what I mean? No one could possibly have issues with Firefox! You're doing it wrong!
May I ask what your issues were?