Spyke
lemmy.zip

Even after losing his business to Trump’s policies, he stands by his vote: “Given the two people running, regardless of what they said on the campaign trail, I would’ve voted for President Trump again.”

His brother Stephen agrees: “I don’t think I had a choice to vote any other direction.”>

This got me. I would put money on that he would vote for Trump again.

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frazwreply
lemmy.world

Yeah the logic always stuns me.

"If I vote for a Democrat they'll probably take some of my money through taxes and I'll be poor"

Trump wins and ruins their business, they lose all of their money.

"At least I'm not poor because of evil Democrat taxes"

They have truly been brainwashed. Whatever bad shit republicans do they still believe the Democrats must be worse, because the republicans told them so. Even though the republicans have provably been lying to them for years.

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lemmy.world

Many Trump supporters would like to consider themselves to be "devoutly religious" (the way the treat others says otherwise, but that's beside the point). People who are "devoutly religious" have a tendency to take things they are told as gospel (pun definitely intended), regardless of how utterly illogical and detached from reality it may be. If the "right" person comes along, 100% of what is said will be believed 100% of the time. It's something that RepubliCons have taken advantage of for years, and it's something that is second nature to con artists like Trump and that Nigerian prince that won't stop sending me gods damned emails.

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Meh. So long as they say sorry to Magical Sky Mummy every Sunday, they can do whatever they fucking want to. Don't look to the religious for examples of humanity and decency.

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lemmy.world

Yeah the logic always stuns me.

It shouldn't. It's very common on both sides of the aisle. Never heard "vote blue no matter who"? That term was coined and used by large swaths of non-Republicans who agreed to vote for someone they don't agree with about everything. The fact is that it's extremely rare for any voter to be 100% aligned with the views of the person they vote for.

Actually, if you think about it, isn't it more selfish to change who you vote for based on how you personally are affected by their policies?

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Yeah, but you don't vote for Hitler unless you're a cunt yourself!

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Alaikreply
lemmy.zip

Legitimately the point of democracy. Vote for your best interests. If the turn out is good and the majority vote for their own best interests, you end up with more good being done for the majority rather than a small subset of the population (Billionares)

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lemmy.world

Legitimately the point of democracy. Vote for your best interests.

I personally don't disagree, but I'm just making the point that from what I've seen, it seems like the above virtue only exists for most people up until the moment the Other Person's best interests don't align with theirs, at which point they're instantly considered scum for voting for their own interests.

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Oh I absolutely get why billionares vote Republicans. Id even argue doing so isnt even a bad thing. The reason theyre pieces of shit is there brainwashing of idiots, bribes to subvert democracy, etc that rigs the playing field.

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lemmy.world

they’re instantly considered scum for voting for their own interests

Have you not noticed what community you're in here? They voted against their own interests, because the alternative was voting for a black woman /* clutches pearls */. The entire point of this community is to call out people that vote against their own interests and then whine about the outcome.

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The entire point of this community is to call out people that vote against their own interests and then whine about the outcome.

Incorrect. That is not what LAMF is. LAMF is advocating for a specific thing, baselessly assuming that thing will be done to others and not you, and then complaining when it's done to you (or to you also).

What you described is 'selfawarewolves'. Different.

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DagwoodIIIreply
piefed.social

...And the Left does the same thing.

Back in the day, a lot of folks couldn't bring themselves to vote for Jimmy Carter because he wouldn't take a strong stand on South African apartheid. We got ronald reagan who embraced embrace South Africa.

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Triumphreply
fedia.io

That's not at all how that played out.

One, John Anderson ran as an independent in 1980, after losing the Republican primary. He had been a Republican until then. Early in that primary, he was a viable candidate for the nomination. He was initially likely to take more votes from Reagan than Carter.

Anderson supported the Equal Rights Amendment (ERA), as well as an extension to the time for it to be ratified. The Republican party did not. Carter refused to debate Anderson; Reagan did not. On top of all that, at the time, the conventional wisdom was that Carter was a weak president, partially because of the still-imprisoned diplomats in Tehran, and a failed attempt to extricate them - which Carter took full responsibility for. This set of later circumstances probably took more votes from Carter. All that said, Reagan swept the popular vote by almost nine points, and took the electoral college handily.

Source: I was there.

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DagwoodIIIreply
piefed.social

If you're going to put words in my mouth, please order a side of chips and salsa.

Show me where I said that was the only reason Carter lost.

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Triumphreply
fedia.io

Show me where I said you said that.

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Lucky_777reply
lemmy.world

He would have voted for Trump again, even if HE KNEW his business would go under?! Wtf are these people thinking? That's some royal hate

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It's just good old brainwashing. They believe that voting for democrats will ruin their life so they vote for republicans and if republicans ruin their life then it's bad luck.

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Macreply
mander.xyz

Republicans don't know how to think. All they know is what daddy tells them. lol

Idiots.

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The "blind faith" demanded by religion has conditioned them to be the perfect marks for a con artist like Trump.

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That's the amazing part. No, not them saying they'd still vote for Trump. The fact that they can still talk with half their face gnawed off. I just wonder - was it because of the "any Democrat/leftist bad" mentality, was it because she was a woman, or what it because she was black? He said it wasn't anything said on the campaign, so it wasn't how badly they tanked her run. Maybe a combo?

If you're going to pull that dead end thinking, then how about trying to change the Republican party to help the American public? (I initially said "better", but we're starting at zero)

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Jeebus! Even cockroaches learn over time. Magats truly are morons!

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He committed member of the Pedophile Protection Team (PPT), aka, Guardians Of Pedophiles (GOP).

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P1nkmanreply
lemmy.world

Some beautiful day, they'll be able to record a video of it, so we can finally hear what they're playing!

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Triumphreply
fedia.io

I imagine someone could do the math and figure out the range of possible notes that would come from a violin of that size.

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MisterOwlreply
lemmy.world

Hopefully they'll take into consideration that the poor water bear never received any formal training and is not playing the instrument properly.

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Well well well.

Suppose a normal violin has strings of ~33cm length. The E-string would have a frequency of ~660 Hz. Let's shrink that down to tardigrade dimensions (according to Google, it's about 400μm).

I'm just going to assume the tardigrade violin has a string length of 60μm.

The frequency of strings also depends on tensile stress and mass density - let's just assume that these scale proportionally.

So we can use the formula: f∝1/L (basically means, half the size means double the frequency).

Let's calculate the scale factor s for the frequency:

L(real) = 330mm, f(real) = 660 Hz L(tardi) = 60μm.

s = L(real) / L(tardi) = 0.33 / 6 * 10⁻⁵ = 5500.

This means that the frequency of the tardigrade E-string would be:

f(tardi) = f(real) * s = f(real) * 5500 = 660Hz * 5500 = 3,630,000Hz = 3.63 megahertz, which is 181.5 times above than the human limit of 20kHz.

Difference in octaves... log2(3.63 Mhz / 660 Hz) = 15.7

That means the tardigade E-string is almost 16 octaves above the human one.

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programming.dev

It's kind of annoying that 51 people lost their jobs to tariffs and they only write an article about the rich guy at the top of the family empire. But I'm sure that the 50 other families' quests for food and shelter and medicine were pretty boring compared with the breakage of the boss's money-generating machine he inherited.

Granted, he is the one who most deserves the leopardsatemyface recognition.

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lemmy.ml

::: spoiler he says his decision was knuckle-based. and he'd do it again

“I voted for Trump all three times. Yep. I did,” he admits. “But I literally was in the voting booth. And I rapped my knuckles and the Trump one hurt more, and that was the one that I voted for. Because it was just, it was so disgusting and, and I hate to say that, but that’s literally how I made that choice.”

Even after losing his business to Trump’s policies, he stands by his vote: “Given the two people running, regardless of what they said on the campaign trail, I would’ve voted for President Trump again.” :::

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khanniereply
lemmy.world

Wild. That's fucking wild. I'm out here putting thought into my vote and this cunt is rattling his knuckles. We are cooked as a species.

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The biggest problem with voting is that each voter's own choice has a huge externality relative to average personal consequences. So selfish people have an incentive to vote with their tribe and not put any further thought into it.

You're being "irrationally" altruistic by actually considering multiple candidates. As bad as losing his business is, this schmuck was more afraid of being ostracized by his fascist peers.

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Sundrayreply
lemmus.org

At yet, somehow, this guy's vote is still Kamala's fault. 🙄

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Hungarian here, my mother's boyfriend is still a Fidesz supporter after losing his business due to losing some tax exemptions. Long story short: it's cheaper to run a single person LLC than to be self-employed, because our politicians in the nineties totally ate the propaganda, that "CEOs once were very hard working workers, just got promoted for their hard work to be CEOs". He however did not had the money to save up for an LLC.

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Bet that guy has a big family and is well on his way to having great grandchildren from at least one wife

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His bottom statement is more relevant. He gave zero shits about policy, party, or politics, he was just focused on the people running.
One a black woman former prosecutor. One a corrupt white male felon.
He said he was always going to vote for the latter.

Serves the dumb cunt right.

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Maybe not everyone does deserve and equal vote in a democracy actually. Or in the case of America his is literally worth more than mine because of where he lives -_-.

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db2
lemmy.world

Don't worry, your lumber mill will still be there, it will just be owned by someone else.

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Montaggereply
lemmy.zip

Nah. A lot of these mills don't open back up because it's not profitable enough to retrograde them to handle smaller and smaller trees that are harvested.

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Usually a reopening also means inspections and addressing building and equipment safety concerns that could've been swept under the rug for decades

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Usually a reopening also means inspections and addressing building and equipment safety concerns that could've been swept under the rug for decades

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Exactly, there was a huge covid boom for lumber mills and the market got saturated. Now all those small shops that opened during the boom can’t survive on the post Covid margins and are shutting down.

As much as Trump is a shitbag, this is probably more likely tied to changing mill economics post covid.

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lemmy.ca

You realize the takeaway form this is people know he's a rapist and still support their king right?

40% approval rating btw

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Hanrahanreply
slrpnk.net

It gets worae, they supoort him raping their daughters

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lemmy.today

conservatives will overlook rapist/SA/Child abuse if it gets thier rocks off on culture war issues, plus many supporters are often the above mentioned themselves, or have predilections towards the deviancies.

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lemmy.world

Sounds good.

The less money this freak and his family have, the less they can contribute to felons, rapists, insurrectionists, and pedophiles.

Hope it hurts.

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lemmy.world

I wish it worked that way, but they can still vote and elect all the pedophiles, insurrectionists, rapists, and felons they want.

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I used to have a lumber mill and now I work at KFC, look what the demonrats did to me, I'm voting red!

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lemmy.ca

And he'll vote Republican again in 26 and 28

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At least he’s old and will age out of voting soon!

According to ropercenter dot com, the only age group to vote for Trump was 45-64 (54%). People over 65 voted 50% for Trump.

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If your business needed undocumented labor to crawl back into the black, maybe your business acumen isn't as great as you think.

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“ To hear nature in a sawmill instead of machines… for any lumberman, that’s unnatural. I don’t want to sound overly dramatic, but it’s as unsettling as watching a loved one take their final breath.”

This guy is blubbering over the fact that he can hear the birds in his shop. He thinks that’s akin to someone in his family dying. Were it coming from any other person it would be “snowflake soy boy” behavior.

Though since his family is just as important as his shop, if he brings one of the younger girls to trump, he might be able to do a little tradie-poo with him.

It’s all enormously pathetic.

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lemmy.world

Be nice to this guy. He voted for racism, not to be poor. /s

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Yeah. That’s eastern NC for you. Where this place is at, not a lot of job opportunities either. The paper mill is about it.

This is also in an area where the local restaurants have nothing but newsmax on the tvs.

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So he was a business owner and he made a decision without looking into the minutia of that decision. Really great boss there, I'm sure the business was going fine before Trump.

Seriously if you're a business owner and you voted for Trump then you're double plus stupid. It was blindingly obvious from the outside that the guy was unstable and his policies, workable, it really didn't require much in the way of political investigation. Yet, even that level of political awareness was apparently beyond the capabilities of this idiot.

What really gets me is that these people are trying to make it out, as if they were in some way lied to. Nothing could be further from the truth, I don't even live in America and even I knew what Trump was offering, so how are these people claiming ignorance?

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Something something, judge a tree by its fruits, something something.

Also, lumber empire?

... 50 employees?

Weyerhauser would laugh, if they even knew this person existed.

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Killer57reply
lemmy.ca

Because at the bottom of the article he states that he stands by his vote and would make that vote again.

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Echo Dotreply
feddit.uk

Because the alternative would be to accept responsibility for one's own incompetence. Can't do that.

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This but unironically. The combination of narcissism these people suffer from and Sunk Cost Fallacy's one helluva drug.

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Someone........someone........anyone.......

Oh wait. Would you settle for everyone?

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Bow down before the one you serve, you're going to get what you deserve.

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Well, at least Trump's making bank. Big time.

Maybe y'all should just work harder.

/s!!!

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To hear nature in a sawmill instead of machines… for any lumberman, that’s unnatural

This man hated nature so much that he made a career out of cutting it down, apparently. He heard birds instead of chainsaws for the first time and freaked out

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lemmy.ml

What does a lumber mill import so much of that tariffs causes it to shut down? -If they're importing raw wood, then that just seemed irresponsible to start with.

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It probably has more to do with other countries adding terrifs on lumber exports in response. Maybe it's the cost of importing parts and materials needed for the process, though.

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Never get to read any of the "I voted for Trump, now I've got a six figure income bashing in the heads of migrants and doing a little light child sex trafficking on the side. Life has never been better" articles, even though I'm confident there's at least as many of the latter.

If this guy can't turn a profit in an unprecedented period of unregulated clear cutting and skyrocketing lumber prices... Idk. Maybe he just didn't want it enough.

But this fiction of the "Sad Trumper" has got to be tempered by reality. There's a line around the block of Andrew Tates and Changpeng Zhaos who are loving a fellow scammer nonce in the White House.

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lemmy.world

Never get to read any of the "I voted for Trump, now I've got a six figure income bashing in the heads of migrants and doing a little light child sex trafficking on the side. Life has never been better" articles, even though I'm confident there's at least as many of the latter.

Its ICE hires, they just wont put their names on it

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Well well well, if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions!

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Or having to work in the lumber mill when it gets its new owner.

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If you were confused (like me) as to how a lumber mill in the US was hurt by tariffs on foreign countries — they were importing their trees from Canada. Plenty of trees in the US, but I guess they’re all spoken for. 🤷‍♂️

“The U.S. lumber sector is reeling from tariffs on Canadian softwood, which have climbed to 45%. With roughly 30% of its supply coming from Canada”

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lemmy.world

I'm not saying he deserves that, ofk he doesn't. But I'm not really good with multitasking. And I'm already too busy feeling like shit for all the poor people who didn't even had the chance to vote and was separated from their family, or lost it all, just because dumbass people like him belived that "they" were the problem. So, good luck.

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I'm not saying he deserves that

You might not, but I sure will. In fact, I'll even translate a common idiom into terms he could understand:

"You cut with the saw you intentionally dulled."

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Actually he’s exactly the kind of person that deserves it.

Every one of these jackals voting for this ass on the grounds of it making other people’s lives worse, does in fact deserve to have that turned back on them.

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Not LAMF unless there is evidence he supported tariffs, which there isn't.

LAMF is not merely 'the person you voted for won and then did a thing that negatively affected you'.

Edit: Downvotes don't change that fact, you know, lol. Y'all just want this to be 'anti-Trump community #5726' so bad. Why even create themed communities if you'll ignore the theme?

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juliebeanreply
lemmy.zip

i don't think he has to specifically say 'i wanted leopards to eat peoples faces.' i reckon its sufficient that he said 'i voted for the guy who publicly wanted leopards to eat peoples faces, and even now that my face has been eaten, i'd do it again.'

if this wasn't something that trump regularly harped on about prior to getting elected, if the tariffs and their consequences were a surprise, you might have a point.

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lemmy.world

i don’t think he has to specifically say ‘i wanted leopards to eat peoples faces.’

But he does. That's the whole premise: that the 'eating faces' is a thing you explicitly supported. Hence the 'I didn't think they would eat MY face' 'punchline'.

The whole point of LAMF is to point out the foolishness of assuming that a particular action will be taken selectively, that was never actually 'promised' to be done selectively (notice that it's not the "Leopards Eating [group's] Faces", just "Faces"). If the thing they supported is not the same thing that's biting them in the ass, then there's no connection. Some examples:

  • Supporting candidate promise to "gut/cut government programs to save money", then complaining when a government program you rely on is affected? Yes, this is LAMF.
  • Supporting candidate promise to "gut/cut a specific government program X to save money", then complaining when a different government program you rely on is affected? No, this is not LAMF.

I think some of the confusion also is that LAMF is about support/advocacy of the policy/campaign promise/etc., not about the individual espousing it—it's the 'eating faces' itself that is the focus. This is why it doesn't fit LAMF when the 'supported thing' and the 'negative consequence' are unrelated, despite coming from the same administration.

If a situation like the OP counts as LAMF, then literally ANY negative impact coming from ANY administration a person voted for, would count as LAMF, and that just renders the whole concept meaningless. Do you think anyone who complained about Obama's drone strikes during his administration, who voted for him, should be considered 'fair game' for LAMF? I sure don't.

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look, alls i'm saying is that if you vote for the 'face eating leopards' guy, it's kinda on you if you get your face eaten by leopards, even if your vote was really motivated by his simultaneous campaign promise to catch a greased hog on live tv.

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lemmy.ca

You think Democrats are any different? Lmao.

They're the same team my guy, billionaires.

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Fuck right off with the "both sides" BS. Yes, they have some awful similarities, but only one side has tRump selling the country for personal profit.

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I think the megabrained "both sides are the same" take is just a form of "centrism by action". Only a handful of republicans signed the discharge petition on epstein, for instance.

If 95% of one party wants to protect things everybody recognizes as crimes and the other is 100% against them then idk what to tell you except one side is willing to violate every law and constitutional amendment to fuck you over.

The other will make rich people panic so hard they'll spend tens of billions of dollars buying up media companies to posture them against even a milktoast democrat. Media companies aren't directly profitable.

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lemmy.zip

One side is owned fully by billionaires.

The other side is just owned enough to not be able to make a difference, but seem like they are trying.

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Randomgalreply
lemmy.ca

And you don't see how 'seem like they are trying' while the other team builds up facism means they are working together?

If you are okay with one Nazi in the room, there are two Nazis in the room.

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lemmy.zip

Of course they are, but its only the bribed ones at the top.

At least the democratic party has people who are actually trying to fight for the people.

but when so much of the republican party is owned, they unfortunately only need to own a very small percentage of the democratic party to control everything.

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Randomgalreply
lemmy.ca

Damn bro. That's some hard-wired boot love you got there.

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Nah i don't. The only Democrats i trust are AOC and the Justice Democrats/The Squad/Whatever that small group calls themselves now, but at least the dems also house that group.

Besides, its your boot 🤷‍♂️ we just had our own election, and the right wingers won half the country.

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lemmy.world

True but democrats pretend there's nothing they can do they don't actively make our lives worse.

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Clinton gutted welfare and his administration also oversaw the repeal of the Glass-Steagull act. Obama and Biden built the cages that house many of the immigrants currently. Biden was the self-declared tough-on-crime senator that gave harsh sentences for drug violations while also being one of the architects of the current student debt situation. Democrats pretend, but all too often that's all they do.

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Pretending they can do nothing while they watch you get fucked is actively making your life worse.

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