Farmer says 'we're in a very dire situation' ahead of harvest—with zero soybean orders from China, historically the largest buyer | Fortune
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/35684522
Despite his support for Trump, Ragland has become increasingly vocal about the need for immediate trade resolution. “We desperately need to get something rectified quickly with China, our biggest export customer,” he told CNN. “We wanna encourage the administration to get a proactive trade deal done.”
https://fortune.com/2025/09/09/soybean-harvest-china-agricultural-crisis-trump-tariffs-caleb-ragland/Open linkView original on lemmy.dbzer0.com882
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Have they tried budgeting or making coffee at home?
If they grow avocados and wheat, they can make their own toast!
Grow avocados!? In this economy!?
in this climate, us isnt designed to grow avocados or coffee. citruses are limited to cali and maybe florida.
Before 2016. Florida was the leading state for oranges. California and Texas both grow more now. Florida production has been dropping.
Highly advanced agriculture is happening in greenhouses like in canada or the netherlands…
They'll grow it right next to dads injection of 100,000 dollars to my new starter home.
Maybe they can just not eat T-bone steak and not buy the new iPhone.
But it's orange! Like their god!
Or buy domestically produced iPhone.
Don't any of these people have bootstraps?!
This is the Find Out stage.
Keep voting red you stupid fuckers.
I can't wrap my head around how some of them can be so hateful and intolerant when they are the true soy boys.
Projection. Always, every single damn time, it's projection.
the only version of reality they know is on fox news, newsmax, the joe rogan experience, and am radio.
this war has been coming. they've even known its coming. but they understand it to be solely at the feet of the chinese state manipulating the markets. they think, because it's the only perspective they've ever been exposed to, 47 to be a big strong power daddy standing up to those bullies.
it has never occurred to them that the great imperial powers, russia, china, the anglosphere, are engaged in a centuries long stalemate. one that benefits no one but the people at the top. their big power daddy is not their savior, but their antichrist. their pharaoh, caesar, king, and overseer. he hates them and will make them suffer.
and i hate everyone in this thread thinking laughing at them is the play here. they turn to their churches because their churches promise to help them and accept them. i'm sick of this performative leftist bullshit. things don't get better by shaming the morons, they get better by feeding them and showing them another way. through galvanizing them against all our opressors. yeah, some are so twisted with hate you can never help them, but by not even trying to bring them to our way of seeing things you're repeating all of the same mistakes that created a malicious and uninformed public in germany that cranked out adolf eichmanns.
don't be like israelis blaming this genocide on an evil race of tormentors. be like hannah arendt blaming it on a system of manipulation of what right and wrong even is
Laughing at them is the only play. They will not listen to us no matter what. They deserve this, and while it sucks for the rest of us too, we might as well enjoy their suffering since they puposfully did this to us. The US is on a path to crash and burn, and the faster it does so, the sooner we can maybe start building something good again.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/16301276
How do you square these two things?
Please explain
In the above post you state it's OK to laugh because the farmers purposefully elected Trump, leading to a (predictable) trade war and suffering.
In the linked post you explain that Palestinians in Gaza mostly support the attacks on Israel.
Should the starvation and attacks the Palestinians suffer then be ridiculed because "they deserve it"?
Fair point. In this case, the adults who voted for Trump may go bankrupt, but they nor their families will starve, ironically because of the social programs they are also likely opposed to. In Gaza, even the adults have less access to education that might give them a chance of critical thinking, and the children are dying. That's not funny in any way. So I suppose it's a matter of degrees, but it's such a different degree that it's hard for me to see it as similar.
You're performing a song and dance for people who aren't in this thread. If the goal was to join them at being laughing stocks, you succeeded.
Web activism does nothing and if people here aren't laughing at them the algorithms will still find the one guy who is and present that person to right wingers.
Whatever you think you're accomplishing by advocating self censorship, you are naively assuming the right wing media won't fabricate these narratives whole cloth.
The "school kitty litter" stuff peddled by Rogan is a perfect example of "however nice you are to the right, they will be shown whatever upsets them the most (even if its completely fake) and you will be blamed for it."
There's a vast difference between mocking people in an echo chamber and doing it directly to their faces. You're right that mocking someone never changed their mind, but as far as I've read the only thing that moves the needle, especially for people in a cult, is a close personal connection helping them. Internet comments are never going to change anything, so I say mock the poor dumbasses voting to shoot themselves in the foot (at best), or unempathetic racist shitheads (more likely), because it makes my day a little better at least.
I have no intention to accept people that refuses to accept me.
That they go low we go high attitude does not work.
I say let them reap what they sow.
You're absolutely right.
It's like women finding a voice online and correctly pointing out the mountains of shit they have to endure, but instead of offering solutions and listening to the perspectives of men online, they collectively said "shut up the women are talking" and helped to create a generation of violent misogynists with warped views on sex and gender.
Shaming people might feel good but it only entrenches the views you're shaming them for. You can condemn someone's actions, their philosophies, hell, their whole identity, while having the empathy to understand where those views come from in the first place.
Which just doubles down on the stupid. There is a differnce between ignorance and deliberate ignorance. There is no excuse for deliberate ignorance in the developed world. They can read Al Jazeera (picks random other news source) easily for example.
Also seems odd to invoke Ardent, her being a refugee immigrant .
i know it doubles down on the stupid. it's why we have to resist that march to darkness with everything we have. people are simple creatures. they go where they feel their needs are met. it's why the unions of the early 1900s set up soup kitchens and the salvation army fought street battles to shut those soup kitchens down. i'm not asking that people not see these morons as ignorant, i'm asking people to realize this leftist echo chamber behavior makes them less effective propagandists when they go out and hit the streets.
do you know what i've noticed in my time protesting of late? there has been an increase in tankies showing up places advocating for authoritarianism, but not their authoritarianism, our authoritarianism, as if authoritarianism can ever lead to anything good. and the ignorant masses see that and think it's who the left is and they turn away from us even though the the vast majority of leftists are advocating against the authority of monetary and military might, and want that authority distributed to the masses.
i'm just asking people here to think about how to make effective propaganda that doesn't just preach to the choir, but entices new people that we have something different to offer than the things they're escaping. there's a theology of food and liquor. the idea is that god made food, and the devil made liquor. on the face of it, god seems like our ally for this and the devil our enemy. but god uses the food to control us through his authority, and the devil helps us survive until tomorrow by soothing the pain of our subjugation. the most dangerous food is the low quality stuff the authority makes readily available that's low in nutritional quality. the most dangerous liquor is the church. if you want to help people remove themselves from the bondage of this society you have to perform some acts of self sacrifice and share some of your food with them as keep them away from the dangerous liquors like the church, opioids, and booze.
how do we keep people from the dangerous liquors? by understanding why they turn to them. they are in pain. they need hope. hope is the safest liquor, and after the devil realized that god was a slave driver, it's the liquor he focused on giving the people, but the damage done by his original liquors is hard to combat. in order to give people hope, you have to speak in terms they understand, you need a unifying strategy that they care about. right now, that's the epstein files. a lot of the left and the right working class people think there's a conspiracy of the elite to participate in a vast sex trafficking network. that's why we've been so focused on not letting any distraction work.
as for why i cited hannah arendt: i don't think her being an immigrant detracts from my point. i don't think immigrants are intrinsically different from us, nor do i think any nationstate is intrinsically different from another. it was nazi germany in the 1930s, it's the united states today. if we don't educate the children and show them how to build a better world it will be whatever new power emerges 20 years from now after another 60 years. hannah arendt's insights that all of these horrible things happen over and over again with a great deal of consistency and the only cure is patient education are extremely valuable. yes, we lack the time to do patient education if everyone is to survive. a degree of wielding violence in the name of community defense is necessary. but treating the pain of the ignorant will not help you. denouncing the people who cause this pain will.
remember, the greatest illusion of all is the illusion of separation. authorities of every kind have used this illusion to prevent solidarity amongst the working classes since the beginning of written history. our path to liberation from this scheme involves realizing the propaganda works, and that if we want to help people escape the propaganda that's programmed them, we have to produce propaganda for them that will deprogram them. to do this we can't go to our echo chambers and yuk it up at their expense. our disdain for them that we foment in our echo chambers will leak out and ruin the whole thing.
and no, i'm not asking you to accept transphobes like someone else said. i'm asking you to stop accepting the things you cannot change and work more to change the things you cannot accept. almost everyone here had to go on a journey to get to the position they now are in. think back on the person you were before you saw the world for what it is. what changed you? for me, it was people in my life telling me i wasn't seeing the whole picture. it took time, but eventually i got it. that there is any leftist thought that exists in our sea of right wing propaganda indicates that people's minds can be changed and improved upon. but you have to be considered about how you do it. don't play the right's us vs them game. they want you to play it. that's their entire goal: make us seem unreasonable to the people in their thrall.
No choice now...
Well, they did fuck around...
We literally told this exact same guy that in 2017.
Farmers will sell their land to someone with more money.
More consolidation is what this country needs. /s
https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/does-jd-vance-have-a-stake-in-acretrader-all-about-the-farmland-app-controversy-article-151319788
Sketchy ass site.
There is a Snopes page about it.
I saw that they claimed that. Real news sources provide their sources, they don’t just say somebody else said stuff (which is what the entire article is doing).
https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/10/08/jd-vance-acretrader/
I’m not asking for the source. I understand how to search myself. I’m stating that, no matter how accurate this article might be if you go and look up the info yourself, you shouldn’t trust websites that say things like “it’s reported” and then don’t provide links or sources. I can say all I want that “Snopes says ‘trump eats babies’ is a fact”. If I don’t link that source, as a news website you should not trust me. There’s no reason to exclude it, except to normalize not providing your sources and then later on you can slip in whatever bullshit you want because now nobody has a source to check when you state things.
Snopes provides multiple sources.
that page must really be sketchy!
I knew I should have edited my post!
Oh NO! ALL they wanted was to be able to Kill Black Kids on their Driveway! They DIDNT know it would Effect their WALLETS too!
Two in the thoughts, one in the prayers.
This comment evoked the famed but elusive chuckle-clench.
Oh no! If only there had been some way for farmers to know this was going to happen! Like Trump telling them it was going to happen! Or every economist in the country warning it was going to happen! Or Trump doing the same thing in his first term! WHO COULD HAVE KNOWN???
It still amazes me that they are surprised. They lived through it the first time. It wasn't fake news It was their own reality.
Trump had no control, deep state did it obvs /s
Yeah it was because of Biden / Kamala first time and now.
Thanks Obama!
And if it wasn’t their fault then both sides are the same!
/s
They will vote for him again.
Midwestern Dems are sprinkled with nativist, anti-China, police gimp politicians that overwhelmed their GOP colleagues. So it's sort of a crap shoot. You might get a Tim Walz or you might get a Pete Buttigieg or you might get a Terri Sewell.
Just "Vote Blue No Matter Who" isn't a panacea. Not when so many Dems are cuddling up to the Cheney and Bloomberg brand of Republicanism, even as they fervently reject Ilhan Omar and Rashida Talib
Biden had four years to reverse Trump policies, rebuild ties with our largest trading partners, and prosecute the corrupt officials in the prior administration.
Instead, he continued the War on Migrants, tried to shut down TikTok while flooding Israel with cheap munitions, and gave a DOJ sized shrug to fascists big and small.
These decisions cost his party 6M votes between 2020 and 2024.
I thought "blue no matter who" was a call for the general election because at the federal level the alternative is the republican.
Then to change the direction of the party you have to be involved far ahead of the election in the candidate suction process.
... not that they're necessarily going to listen. The forced two party thing we have going will probably always corrupt the "good" party if there is one.
If you're supporting reactionaries in your own party, you're not opposing Republicans at the national level.
Bullshit. In this case our reality is so twisted that this is the time to vote blue, no matter who. Anti-fascist, no matter who. Least unethical, no matter who.
I look forward to the day when all major candidates are not channeling evil supervillains, who care about their constituents (not just enriching their friends and corporate benefactors) and can articulate a platform toward their concept. I look forward to the day we can relate to “both sides” again, to the day we can debate the merits of different proposals. I too wish for that utopia where it’s reasonable to choose on who has the best plan.
In the meantime it’s just not ok
That's how you end up with a Congress and President who continues to pander to fascism from the liberal side of the aisle.
We played the "Vote Blue" game with Biden and he pooched it. Burned another generational opportunity for reform so he could placate his friends in Israel and Wall Street.
You can't look forward to it. You have to champion it. That means actively opposing Democrats who are complicit in the horror.
This is the mentality that continues to propel Andrew Cuomo's campaign.
Yeah dude, this is Biden's fault. 🙄
🤷 Neville Chamberlain Democrats definitely played their part.
It means they're going to ask the FDA for as waiver on how long they can keep it and how much can rot before it all has to be tossed.
Ie. Food will just be less safe
Great depression 2.0 is here. These morons got
HooveredTrumped and now we'll get to see farmers setting soybeans on fire to collect insurance instead of feeding people.Capitalism is so normal and sane
US farming (and sport) are one of the least free-market industries amoung all democratic countries around the world. You'll not find much capitalism there.
Bruh it ain't that kind of soy just like most of the corn grown in the US is completely unstable for human consumption...
I can only hope...
It's not a dire situation for the people who want his land.
Yeah exactly. Big agribusiness will scoop these family farms up at very cheap prices. Follow the money.
I feel bad for the leopards at this stage. Overeating isn’t good for you. :)
The leopards are getting diabetes and insurance wants to charge them $1200 a month for insulin until their deductible is met.
Poor guy...
WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS HAPPENING. AGAIN. AFTER HE CAMPAIGNED ON LITERALLY THE SAME THING THAT CAUSED THIS THE FIRST TIME.
Cause and Effect?? MY ONLY WEAKNESS!!!
They can always blame Biden (Joe or Hunter), Obama, or trans people! 🤡🤡🤡🤡
True maybe the sales orders are in Hunter's laptop. That's why they wanted it so bad.
Or just blame China directly and call this an act of war.
Attack Venezuela! That will solve it!
Or Greenland.
If we reclaim Panama we can deny Chinese shipping until they decide to play nice. Simple!
It's so ridiculous they would blame trans people when theyre SOYBEAN farmers.
I thought they'd want more soyboys to exist to consume their product.
Oh no.
The consequences of your own voting.
Just like Canada is, China is specifically targeting people who voted red and I have zero sympathy. In fact, I applaud them in this instance.
Every one of these people had more than 8 years to see what Trump was like before voting.
It’ll probably be hard for them to buy some tarifer potash and fertilizer next year after their reduced sales this harvest, but it’s what they wanted.
You have any sources for the claim about China specifically targeting people who voted red?
" You voted for what i campaigned on"- trump.
This isn't even a "I never thought leopards would eat MY face" this is more "I specifically asked for my face to be eaten by leopards".
What's that you say? Soybeans are a complimentary crop for corn, and those same soybean farmers will now have to carry this utter loss into corn planting season? I wonder how many farmers fail this season and don't plant next season.
I’m lost, can you explain this?
Need to rotate and harvest them so they can perform their complimentary soil amendments naturally. Farmers can’t repeatedly grow the same crop or the soil will go bad.
So now they’re stuck with increasingly difficult choices. Pay to harvest and store them with no buyer, figure out what to do with the harvested beans later, thus paving the way for next year’s corn crop, is the likely choice. But now they’re going into debt because no bean income and corn seed isn’t free, plus they’ll need to empty those grain silos at some point before the corn harvest…and I don’t see this admin making any trade deals between now and then.
In other words, prepare to pay even more in taxes to bail the farm corpos out again so they can buy up the remaining small farms which will fail from this mess.
Important notes: bail them out AGAIN because Trump already fucked over American farmers and bailed them out last time. They aren't even feeding us. They're product exporters. Farmers in a rut will scream all day about how they're feeding the American people but there are TONS that sell exclusively outside the US, often to the detriment of all parties involved here, because it's more profitable.
Ah, ok. That makes sense! Thanks!
It's something aling the lines of corn sucks up nitrogen from the soil like crazy. While soy is a nitrogen fixer. It adds/ pulls nitrogen into the soil. Something along those lines.
That makes sense, thanks.
Have the day you voted for.
The secret long term plot against conservatives to turn them all gay and trans is almost complete!
Soy is not feminizing. Plant estrogens are not mammal estrogen. You have to actually take estrogen. It's really inconvenient.
You are correct but it's a common right wing myth. The Soy Boy diet making men wimpy girls was super common on right wing media.
I hate how the fucking conservatives have turned it into a talking point. Soy makes me pee out my butt, but if I'm too loud about avoiding soy, people assume I'm scared of the phytoestrogens.
It's also a myth that appears in trans communities on occasion. The right wing misogynist to trans-girl pipeline is alive and well.
Yeah the soy myth was based on single flawed and debunked study from the 1940s or 50s. Plenty of further research proves their shit wrong in every way.
Nearly all studies cited by right wingers are really old and debunked. They cherry pick to the one thing they can find that supports their views.
Oh I know, the soy thing is a stupid meme pushed by right wingers. See also "Soy Boy" and "Soy Face."
Maybe it’s a plot by the GOP! The GOP wants to turn all your kids trans!
its a plot to give all males bigger boobs than Donald.
Big bra are at it again.
Big Brossiere
Big Bra realized they can double sales if they make all men into women. Why hasn't anyone looked into this?
Fuck these dipshits, they ALL voted for this. Let them all suffer deeply for their stupidity. I hate this timeline where morons are running the show everywhere.
The idiots have taken over.
I hear NoFX, I upvote. I'm a simple man.
Agreed. NOFX ftw
Bruh, wrong band. That's from Lynyrd Skynyrd.
(In seriousness though, The War on Errorism provided a soundtrack to my youth.)
Rice and beans, friend. And you got lots of beans to eat.
Man is racism expensive.
I am just a single persom, and have been micro stockpiling a surplus 5lb bag of rice, 6 or so cans of refried beans, about 10 or so cans of soup, 24 instant ramen packs...
... each month, since I think March.
Plan to keep doing so as long as I can, and then start literally eating into it when shit gets insane, only buying bits of protein and veggies to throw into the rice cooker/stew pot.
Fucking Great Depression 2.0, this time with live streaming rofl, at least until our infrastructure starts also completely crapping out.
Might be worth it to stock up on some duct tape, get a basic set of home repair tools and a basic medkit if you don't already have one, also maybe a water purifier straw, sewing kit and patches...
...and if you can swing it, some kind of backup battery that can be charged via either wall outlet or solar panels, in the event of grid outage and you still want to keep a mini fridge going or at least have some access to AC vs none.
Also, get a mylar blanket. If you lose power, those things can be taped up to a window to help bounce more heat away from them and keep the heat down... or used as an actual heat retaining blanket when its super cold.
Try to get dried beans instead. They are cheaper and taste better, although take a little more prep.
Unfortunately I am currently too crippled to be able to handle more intensive/time consuming meal prep, but yes absolutely for most people, it probably makes more sense to start from raw beans.
Also shout out to peanut butter.
....real peanut butter, that isn't mostly sugar.
Very good source of protein and... I think also complex carbs?
Also also: Maybe consider a basic resealable cannery set of jars, so that you can store things a while, works for storing way more than just preserving jam or what not, you can use em as cups, ain't made of plastic but they can be used as just verticaly oriented tupperware.
Farmers:
Votes for Trump
Loses business because of Tariff backlash
Gets bailed out
Votes for Trump two more times
Loses business because of Tariff backlash
Who could have seen this coming?
Them. They see your pattern continuing.
Imagine if the government paid you to sit on your ass instead of going to work.
And since your income is no longer tied to any sense of production, you fudge your number a little and end up better off being on welfare than working full time.
Maybe Monsanto or somebody might get bailed out, but smaller farmers won't get a single penny out of the GOP.
We're seeing that play out in Arkansas, as this year family farmers are either driven off their farms (some after 6 generations) or are committing suicide quickly. One of my friends knew a farmer that killed himself last night. They're really thinking the feds are coming to save them, instead of forcing them off the land so it can be purchased by conglomerates.
Slow suicide is the worst though
I dunno. I'm kinda fond of drinking personally
"Small" farmers own millions in land and equipment. Mom and Pop farmers are essentially a myth at this point.
Listen, there are two ways things can be. A diverse set of farms with less than 100 acres total each, or entire regions of millions of acres dominated singularly by massive corporations.
Small farmers exist, and mom and pop farmers are very real, even if it is inherently quite exclusive.
Incorrect, the banks own millions in land and equipment...
Most smaller farms are mortgaged out their asses.
Source: close friends with a family that owns a farm...
Tough shit and the fuckers voted for this disaster. The corporate farms are going to be buying a lot of cheap family farms.
Methinks you're dancing a little to hard.
Once corporations have total domination of our food production, we are completely fucked.
Obviously, but what can you do against the tyranny of fucking idiots?
These "cheap family farms" are worth millions and millions of dollars. Farmers pretend to be hard working blue collar but are in reality wealthy beyond our dreams.
Turns out fascism is bad for international trade. If only anyone could've seen that coming. 🙄
I was about to suggest that maybe not all farmers voted for trump and thus they may not deserve the financial hardship, then I read this
lol, gfy.
Every fucking time it's, "the administration just needs to hear my argument, and they will realize this is a mistake and correct the oversight."
Like dude, they know exactly what they're doing.
How do these people not know who Donald Trump is yet, after all of this time?
Among owners of farms its a massive overwhelming majority. Just farming dependant counties as a whole was 78% and the owners expected massive tax breaks
I also have been feeling schaedenfreud but its not all their fault. They may have voted for trump but that was mainly because they were misled by propaganda networks. It shows how bad reporting is particularly among the rustbelt propaganda networks.Because none of these people were aware about project twenty twenty five which pretty much promised to crush trade.
If they had been presented with accurate reporting there's no way they would have voted against the pro trade neo liberals.
Our legal and political system enabled a group of plutocrats to falsify reporting and amplify russian disinformation campaigns.
Except that Trump has said enough stupid shit in obvious places that it can’t be hidden unless you’ve got a chokehold that is simply impossible to maintain on that many people. Ten million maybe, but no at this point they’re willing. They want this and whether they’re profoundly stupid or incredibly evil doesn’t much matter like it used to considering the damage they’re doing.
Conservatives just suck. The world at their fingertips and daily, unavoidable examples of why they’re super wrong and they still go hard for the worst possible options because they aren’t intelligent enough to understand even the most basic complexities or have even shreds of empathy for people they can’t directly see(and many will even hate those right in front of them). Nah dude, fuck that.
All that is true, but the shit he's saying goes through a filter. Not just the filter of Fox News but also the filter of those who disseminate that bullshit.
A very sad and unfortunate fact about most Americans is that they do not read the news and most of their political knowledge comes from their friends and family or communities. The propaganda dissemination models that are currently driving the US toward fascism are reliant on there being a core group of malignants who disseminate the disinformation that they get from Fox, AM radio and elsewhere.
The group whom you're referring to as "conservatives" are demographically the most exposed to right-wing propaganda. The so-called "average" cluster, as revealed by the Cambridge Analytica scandal. This group (originally targeted by Facebook) is particularly sensitive to the message pushed by conservatives ("law and order", "traditional"). But if you look at the messaging that's being used to manipulate them, it's the same stuff that was used to target Germans in the Weimar republic.
Honestly, the conservatives I have both the least and greatest problems with are the ones who don’t really pay attention any news in particular. They heard once that conservatives are good with money and that progressives have funny ideas and they’ve latched onto that idea with ever challenging it once. They’re simply incapable of looking at something deeper than surface level and they refuse to address the complexity of any given situation. Those people will, at times, end up as centrists who “really don’t like to get into politics” and “think they have cool ideas but they could never get them done”.
This doesn’t much go against my original point, though. They exist in a place where they hate learning and changing their ideas is not something they can really handle. If all they have to do is fit one mold then that’s easy, but once they have to start custom-building their own personality it all falls apart. It’s too much work for them, and they retreat to comfortable familiarity.
People have been screaming for decades how shitty GOP and Conservative/Libertarian policies are, with proper backed examples and data.
These people still didn't listen.
They chose this.
They were told this would happen, plainly enough for a child to understand, and they chose it anyway.
Youre right that they should have known better but you cant blame fools for being fools. You can blame the conmen who scam them.
I monitor conservative and nationalist media and they promote lies all day long. The people screaming about whats going on? Completely misrepresented or marginalized in their coverage. Its impossible to have democracy with propaganda networks ranking number 1 in the public consciousness
I've actually heard someone make the argument that it's liberals' fault because they came across as patronizing when telling people, which made them not want to listen. I wish I was kidding.
Just zero personal responsibility.
About half of the customers for my seasonal business are farmers. I told them directly. They didn't believe me or didn't care.
Now they have crops rotting in the fields.
Many farmers don't read the news and they are prone to getting their info from their friends and communities. For whatever reason, around 30% of the people in those communities are unempathetic deceivers who delight in spreading lies and conspiracy theories. And propaganda networks empower those people.
I told them. They knew. They thought they were special.
Guess they should have listened to their vendor instead of their competition.
I warned conservatives too but are they going to trust someone they know a little or someone they know a lot? The same thing happened with Bush. People form their beliefs based on their communities and families.
My view is that if conservative media could be held liable in civil court for passing off information they knew to be false then every single propaganda network could have been sued off the air and internet by their own audiences.
I agree. It's fraud & should be actionable.
What are they saying to you now about it?
Let me guess, they're strangely silent.
I've not started taking orders for this season. Have to start this month. Kinda dreading it THB.
That excuse is unacceptable.
Unless you think they are dumber than normal they have all the possibility to verify sources and take the effort to look stuff up if it's of importance.
They're not 1930's illiterate Germans who had to believe what they've been told.
Decades of defunding and stripping down public education is now bearing fruit. We can thank right-wing political interests from both parties for the death of the US educational system. But this is what led to an overreliance on video as a news dissemination platform as people do not read much compared to other economies.
Weimar Germany, by the way, was the best educated country in the world in the thirties. This is what made Nazi propaganda more effective: they were able to use propaganda campaigns to target vulnerable populations. We now know from Cambridge Analytica that this group exists in all cultures. The so-called "Average" group.
Being ignorant doesn't excuse their actions, but it explains their motives in a way that makes them more human. We're all fallible, some of us more so than others. Look at it this way: it's not a crime to be completely cut off from good news sources. There's nothing evil in getting all your news from your church buddies or the people at work. Most news is negative anyway so people naturally avoid it.
The people who control those groups are horrible human beings. Narcissistic, sadistic, nihilists. Unfortunately, liberal democracy does nothing to stop them from spreading their message to vulnerable groups.
It's absolutely their fault are you fucking kidding me?
Many of them are horrible trolls. But then there are those who do not watch the news and get their facts from their local communities, like churches or co-workers. The great majority of people in the US do not have a good news source and have never had a class on media bias. Their whole way of thinking revolves around obeying authority. That environment does not encourage independent thought. And in the presence of 24/7 propaganda networks (Facebook, AM radio, Cable News), there's no way for them to get substantiative information on topics relevant to their daily lives. It's not just right wingers, but also people who would normally be on the left politically, but who are instead overwhelmed with data on how vaccines cause autism, etc... I meet people all the time who are concerned about my media consumption patterns because I do not know about how dangerous GMO is, or how my use of computers is rotting my brain.
The problem with modern information economies is not everyone has access to good information, even people who read the news all day long are exposed to Russian disinfo.
Hoping these mf divas get exactly and specifically what what they voted for.
Seems like a good time to be a tofu producer.
Just like every other time a GOP president fucked american farmers there will be a "save the farmers" bill passed that will allow agri businesses to profit and some of the smaller farms will be bought out by large companies and the fuckwit voters will cheer for Trump saving farmers from the evil foreigners.
maybe not this time, trump doesnt really care what happens this time. he only cares about distracting people form the epstein files, and giving more money to the billionaires, he had more "competent" people the first time around.
Don't forget farmers overwhelmingly voted for Trump at 78%.
Democrats should absolutely not vote for a bailout. While it would be good governing to do so, now is not a time of good governing. Make republicans eat their own turd.
Talking point: "Trump's tariffs caused this. Trump can fix this at any point without a bill. The only responsible way for congress to fix this is to take away tariff powers from trump otherwise we'll have a new bailout every week for the next 3 years."
Oddly, that aligns with lower education levels amd less exposure to new information, between rural and urban settings.
Farmers may well be outstanding in their field (pun intended), but that's where it stops
When your understanding of how the world works comes from modern country music, you're fucked.
"My wife left me, the earth is flat, and my truck wants a divorce and I just can't stop singing my song."
Needs beer.
That’s ok, you don’t have anyone to harvest them anyway.
In other words, he's republican and expects special treatment than other Americans. Traitors.
Growing up in an ag state I was shoved propaganda left and right about how great rural states were, that cities depended on us, we were the breadbasket.
Our crops? Cattle corn and soybeans.
Cattle corn, aka feed for cattle, inedible for humans, and subsidized out the ass by the gov. So much is overproduced that they literally had to find other usages for it, which is where ethanol comes from. Subsidized corn making cheap fuel to have cars run on subsidized roads.
Soybeans, also subsidizes, and what is used is mostly exported to other countries like China.
We provided very little food to our own citizens. You listen to these rural farmers though and they'll tell you up and down how gov payouts and leeches are a drain on society, hooboy do they hate them. Until it's time to get their own check.
I have been known to visit some of those growers sheds, sit down and drink their beer, then call them a welfare queen.
When they get mad, I ask them how much their subsidy and crop insurance checks were the past few years?
Every fucking single one of them knows that they are parasites on the system. They just don't want the "wrong type of people" to get welfare too.
Bailout incoming.
Nope they will go bankrupt, their farms will be bought up by equity firms, Trump will tell them it is because the “Haitians are eating their cats and dogs,” and they will vote for him again.
Why? They're rigging the elections so they don't have to cater to these idiots and the only people who matter to the republicans are billionairs. The media will just lie and blame it biden or just lie say farming is better than ever.
Get fucked, Magats. Have the day you voted for.
Well, as a tofu muchin soy snackin vegan freak, I'm tempidly optimistic. Guess that fascist orange fuck is gonna lower my grocery prices after all.
And to think, all it only took was crashing the national economy, needlessly wasting soft cultural power and enacting worldwide boycotss of domestic goods to FINALLY make America great!
🙄
What makes you think your tofu is going to drop in price ? The supermarkets would rather let it rot, than allow you to buy it for less money.
To put that another way, you have already made it clear what price you're willing to pay. The supermarkets now have an opportunity to source the product more cheaply from farmers who are overstocked. That means more profit for the supermarket, not lower prices for you
I think what will happen is no orders = no crops. They'll grow something else or nothing else. And that'll create a scarcity or perception of scarcity.
But maybe I'm wrong and some things will get cheaper, or at least not more expensive.
You might well see a temporary drop in some prices. But as farmers go bankrupt and the land gets bought by larger and larger corporations, food prices will rise. As all food production sources narrow even more than it already has.
Nope. The cost of your tofu is going to rise because of this.
How does over production of something increase its cost?
They will dump the soybeans into the sea before they distribute them at a fair market rate.
The concentration of more and more farmland and the attending supply chains into fewer and fewer hands will cause prices to rise. Because those few oligarchs that own the land will decide what, how much, and IF you eat.
Monopolies are never good for the plebes.
Don't worry, JD Vance will buy your farm after you go broke.
"Best I can do is a spit in your face"
Lol, no. They'll just leave them to rot in the fields.
Not so much "let them" as "happy accident that theres no buyers and no pickers"
Even if they're harvested, the US government would rather the food go to waste than to buy it and distribute it to those who need it. It's been happening since the start of the tariffs and withdrawal of foreign aid funds.
As much as I try to maintain that these are our fellow working class folks who have been victimized(to a variable, case-by-case extent) by a lying fascist, it's nice to see karma in action.
Don't condescend to these people. They have the same satellite/cable TV and broadband internet that the rest of us have. These are educated people. Do you realize how many programs, grants, and entire colleges are focused on farmers/ranchers? Half the colleges in the south are either agriculture colleges or have agriculture programs. Even the inner city highschools have FFA programs. These people went to college and have at least 4 year college degree.
They may be awash in propaganda , so are the rest of us. But they outright defended the pedo who praised the Nazis and said he wanted to be a king. They cheered when he said that if he got elected they would never have to vote again. This is what they knowingly voted for.
I wouldn't say you have to condescend to them but realise most of these people have been brainwashed into a cult. Like other cults I won't call them blameless of their actions but they are also victims of the cult leaders. Cult leaders use deceptive psychological techniques to influence people.
I had that attitude the first time around, but they have had a decade of this guy and his cohorts. At some point they have to be accountable for their actions. He directly and indirectly caused the deaths of millions of people and is in the process of causing untold numbers more. His actions in just the last 6 months will have repercussions that will kill and maim people for several generations. At what point is it ok to hold the not just the abusers, but the facilitators of the abuse accountable for their actions?
The farm laborers are. But they're the ones getting harassed by our seven layer dip of paramilitary police every time they step off the plantation.
The farm owners are the same petite bourgeois pos shit sacks who gave us hard borders and bloated security state budgets and massive prison populations. They got baited by racist fear mongering - even profited from it on occasion - and only realized they'd get to the end of their rope at the end.
Bust up these farms and return them to the people who do the actual labor. Then I'll start feeling bad about farm owners.
I have never met a commercial farmer that wasn't a bigoted asshole.
Shouldnt they be happy they aren't giving food to a bunch of commies who are their self proclaimed mortal enemies? Soy beans are native to China, too. So idk how these red blooded Murican farmers got conned into growing them, oh wait it's cuz they're all dumb as shit nvm.
also growing alfalfa which are notorious water hogs, and is only supplied to ME,.
Yeah gotta love that they grow alfalfa in some of the most arid regions of the country!
Soybean is what they grow between seasons of corn. Without cycling the crops, the soil goes to shit. They'll grow corn next year if they still have a farm after this year.
Lol the soil HAS gone to shit. A two year rotation wholly dependant on excessive tillage, exposed to wind and water erosion for minimum 1/4 of the year is not exactly a model for soil health. Average American farmer doesn't give a shit about soil health, they can make good money (or get bailed out) growing soy and it gives them a nitrogen credit.
Also, I hope they don't have a fucking farm next year because I'd like to start a sustainable farm and I want that cheap land, babyyyyy
Well well well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions...
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Sorry I meant..
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If you’re desperate, you’re well beyond the “proactive” stage…
Guess we are all eating a bunch of tofu real soon.
Even if it was the type of soy suited for direct human consumption, it would never happen. Farmers, agribusiness, and the government would rather watch people starve before allowing the price of food to drop that low.
Nah, it will all rot
Soybeans can be dried, then stored for some time. And, at least some of the soy farmers will do what they did last time: Eventually sell it for at or below cost (a loss) to be used as animal feed.
dint china already find other suppliers like venuzeula, brazil, and other SOUTH east asian country.
Yep that demand is never coming back. Happens when you continually fling shit at a trading partner.
Canadians are taking notes.
They can cry on Trumps shoulder. I do not care.
Nore does he. Which is the point really.
How all the soy boy beta cucks working for this administration will sound this winter while trying to reassure Americans we don't need to resort to cannibalism just yet bc we still have an insane surplus of unprocessed soy beans we have to do something with.
I say this as a vegetarian. I'm kinda looking forward to hearing what kind of propaganda these people will spin to explain the sudden 180. "Awkshully, soy has always been one of the most hyper masculine protein sources available in the western hemisphere."
Maybe if you do nothing and just let the crops rot they will auto ferment into blocks of tofu?
They will likely dump the crops in the ocean to keep prices stable like they do with many other surpluses. One of the worst things about capitalism, instead of trying to feed the poor or do something useful with it
Lumber's getting affordable so they've drastically stopped cutting.
Or the government subsidizes it buying up enough of the crop to raise the price and then destroys it. They could buy up some of the crap and then give it to people that weren't going to buy soybeans anyway.
Unprocessed? Just cook em and eat em. Or pull them early for edamame.
They voted for it.
Have the day you voted for 😘
They knew this was coming before the planting season, too. Now, they may have already used their loans on soy, as I'm not sure about the time frame on when their orders would be placed, but they still could have minimized the loss with reduced planting. This is how incredibly stupid these people are. They've known since last November he was elected and what his plans were.
Since November? LOL, Trump started a trade war with China during his first admin.
I'm aware of his first term. They knew he was reelected in November and therefore should have known the storm that was coming.
They're not smart enough to see patterns.
That was my point. They're too ignorant to even understand their own livelihood.
Damn, you know what would've been a good trade deal? Not touching anything and just letting it be instead of the tariffs.
If they'd done that then Canada would be fascist right now.
Retarded Trump voters again
Weird. I seem to remember the orange idiot they voted for starting a pointless trade war with China (and the rest of the world)? That's why we're all paying more for less...
This isn't even the first time this has happened. Soybean farmers already got screwed over as a result of one of Trump's trade wars way back in 2018 during his first term. Anyone who voted for Trump again expecting anything different is an idiot.
Bootstraps people, bootstraps
Does anybody remember the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the trade agreement President Obama entered into, that would have opened the Asian markets to American farm products? The agreement that the Republicans ripped up when Trump started his first term?
That was one of the good things Mango Mussolini did for the rest of the world. The original TPP was an attempt to export the US copyright regime. After Trump pulled the US out, the rest ripped out the copyright shit the corporate scum wanted and went ahead.
But it had trans in the name. They had to get rid of it.
I had to pipe in this old post from August 6th 2019
"Chinese companies have stopped buying U.S. agricultural products, China's Commerce Ministry said on Tuesday, a blow to U.S. farmers who have already seen their exports slashed by the more than year-old trade war.
American Farm Bureau Federation President Zippy Duvall called the announcement from China "a body blow to thousands of farmers and ranchers who are already struggling to get by."
China imported $9.1 billion of U.S. farm produce in 2018 - mainly soybeans Sc1, dairy, sorghum and pork LHc1 - down from $19.5 billion in 2017, according to the American Farm Bureau.
Your Dumbfuck-In-Chief, folks. I'm sure someone has a clever retort involving emails, or pocahontas, or shithole countries."
Arrogant dickheads.
China has reached the point it can afford to say no.
They are pretending it is still the 90s or very early 2000s when China was still making 'cheap junk'. Chinese stuff is very high quality now, dare I say superior to western stuff from the past.
All I have to say is get fucked loser
Got what you voted for. It’s ok, they have insurance.
Does their insurance cover acts of megalomania? Because I somehow doubt that.
Most policies have a guarantee in yield/minimum money made. It will cover costs, but they won’t profit much if that happens…. And if they are farmers that are already struggling, then that will put them over the edge.. this shit is wild.
Most soy goes to livestock feed, and most of that goes to poultry.
Only 20% goes to human consumption, with most of that going to oil.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Global-soy-production-to-end-use.png
It's calorie count is significantly more dense than regular food, giving you fuel for your entire day in a few table spoons!
Only if you want to.
During Trump's last term when he fucked over soybean growers, at least locally in my rural community, the soybeans didn't go to waste. They didn't rot in the fields or in storage. However, farmers ended up having to sell for way less than normal, and basically they didn't make any profit (many even saw losses) that year.
This issue with this year, again I can only speak to my area, is that by the time Trump was elected, most people would have already placed their orders for seed and the specific chemicals/supplies they needed for soy, so they're on the hook for it. They would have been facing the decision to take a sure loss (ex: if they didn't plant the soy they've already purchased and/or if they had to go procure some other crop seed and related supplies) OR they could go ahead as planned with the soy and hope for the best.
Where I live, most farmers aren't "soy farmers", they're just farmers. They rotate crops from year to year on a pretty rigid schedule, so one year it's soy, next might be corn, grains following that, then cover crop / hay. So, they better hope the weather holds up next year for whatever crop they were planning because I doubt a lot of them will be able to tolerate multiple years of essentially no profit.
Hope they starve to death on a bed of rotting soy
Seen ✓✓
Honestly might be really nice if we can decrease agricultural land usage. Might even cut back on red meat importing.
If the Supreme Court won’t issue a verdict, maybe, just maybe, the people who produce our food will.
Grab yer pitchforks n torches, frankenorange must die
They're just going to get bailed out, unfortunately.
nah, i think this time they will get hung out to dry. trump cares more about mega corps buying the land than he does for the people that will be displaced (specifically, their donations)
Good.
Too bad there isn't a local population that could use the food. But if Americans can't afford it on their own, and with farmer's federal subsidies cut, farmers aren't about to sell cheaply or give it away locally.
if only there was a North America where food was expensive where you could sell a shitload of edamame
i only lightweight hope Farmer Fritz doesn't starve
It's not that kind of soy, it has been bred to be used for cattle feed.
I'm milk!.... I mean Soy milk! Nice to meet y'all.
Now they have to feed the “woke” vegans too? 😅
Does any one need some cookies with your tea?
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bring on the cheap tofu!!
honestly even quite aside from the politics behind this, being unable to sell fucking SOYBEANS feels like a skill issue to me, there are so many people who want vegan protein these days. Literally just blanch them, freeze them, and sell them to grocery stores.
STFU, you moronic cunt.