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asklemmy·Ask Lemmybyabbadon420

Americans who live near state borders,how do you notice you've crossed the border?

Besides the obvious "welcome to [state name]" sign. Is there a significant change in architecture, infrastructure, agriculture, store brands, maybe even culture?

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

My state has piss poor roads.

Every time I leave my state the roads are noticeably smoother and less noisy.

It’s very distinct and almost comical.

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IninewCrowreply
lemmy.ca

I'm up in Canada and we have provinces here ... I live in Ontario and in the year 2000 me and a friend took a motorcycle ride across Canada to the west coast. Great trip.

But for motorcycle riders in Ontario, especially northern Ontario, its famous for rain during the summer, especially when you want to go riding. Sure enough in the first week of July that we started our trip, trying to make sure to catch the best weather for riding, we rode through rain for about three days as we drove through northern Ontario.

The funniest thing was ... as soon as we crossed the Ontario/Manitoba border, the skies parted and I could literally see dark clouds over Ontario and bright clear summer skies to the west .... right at the border of the two provinces.

We had great weather the rest of the trip! ... and sure enough when we did the return trip, we were rained on again in northern Ontario!

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I had that driving into a new county by the coastline. Right at the county line it was like a sheet of rain pulled across the road.

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Let me guess, South Carolina? Been through there twice, and the change was jarring and immediately noticeable crossing into Georgia or NC.

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Lmao I was driving about 16 hours solo to get back to Michigan. Legitimately immediately after crossing the Ohio to Michigan border, the road contrast was so incredibly stark lol. Immediate potholes everywhere.

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sh.itjust.works

My state disallows billboard advertising, which I forget until I cross into another state and have to suffer through Jesus and injury lawyer ads.

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lemmy.world

In CA there's this injury lawyer who has billboards all over highway 101 from San Francisco to San Diego. Hundreds of billboards. His name on the billboards is Sweet James and he has a pony tail. Sweet James. I don't know how a lawyer could become so seemingly popular while using that name.

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Rhynoplazreply
lemmy.world

Why is it always lawyers?

I saw one that was just a photo of an eye and a phone number. I wasn't from the area, so it was driving me nuts wondering what it meant. Didn't take long driving through the area to learn that this lawyer has so many different billboards up, that his eye alone has become recognizable.

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That's crazy! Hope he never gets a retina biometric lock on his door.

There must be a lot of money in injury law, but no nationally-known firms, so your choice is either a referral or their name bobbing out of your subconscious from driving past it every day.

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chunesreply
lemmy.world

I couldn't believe driving through Missouri. What a shit hole.

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I never saw these personally, but ten years ago in Matt Gaetz's district a shelter ran billboards with "She's your daughter, not your date". Yikes.

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you know, most roads will tell you. The change in asphalt for sure will tell you exactly

plus for me at least, Idaho is different than Washington

the roadside advertisements is instantly different

the highways are laid out in much different ways

the people are absolutely different almost to an extreme

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mardukreply
lemmy.sdf.org

Where I come from the asphalt change was how I knew I was in the next County

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oh yeah, that happens here too, just not as much because our counties usually have the same funding and contractors

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lemmy.world

Nope.

The main thing you'll notice is a shit ton of stores for anything that's not legal in one state, or taxed higher in one state.

The rest of the stuff mixes together along state lines and there's no clear divide except for the legal/tax stuff.

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Crossing into Wyoming from Utah is hilarious for this. Suddenly there's porn, cigarettes, beer, fireworks, and more porn!

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wryreply
piefed.zip

Crossing into Wisconsin from Minnesota, I will start seeing lots of fireworks stores.

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Vanthreply
reddthat.com

Been a few years since I lived in Minnesota, do you still see signs for Spotted Cow beer as you cross into WI? I had friends bringing trunks of sixers back and while I would always accept a free craft beer, I didn't understand the hubbub.

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The limited distribution makes people think it's a mind-blowing beer. It's pretty good.

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I never noticed them! I don't tend to pay attention to adverts though.

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When crossing into Minnesota from Wisconsin, do you see lots of dispensaries?

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Major roads have a "welcome to wherever" sign but minor ones won't. They're always a clear delineation in the pavement, though, because neither state is going to pave one single molecule of distance further than they have to. And they never seem to be able to arrange it so that there isn't a noticeable bump at the junction.

One of my neighboring states also has some kind of pathological aversion to putting complete and legible signs for the names of roads at intersections, too. So the disappearance of all useful street signs is therefore usually also a clue.

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North Carolina paves its roads. South Carolina air drops its roads.

You know you have crossed into South Carolina when the suspension of your vehicle is torn out from under you.

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tamal3reply
lemmy.world

Even Asheville roads, post hurricane, are at this point way better then SC roads. Not saying we're spending wisely, though. I sure wish DOT wasn't just a highway/stroad development department.

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When you pass into Indiana, you're immediately overcome with this opressive sense of forboding and despair. Also the roads immediately turn to shit.

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Also, the ad signs will alternate between adult toy stores and anti-abortion messages every few hundred feet.

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I don’t live near there anymore, but when I did you could legitimately tell when you crossed to NJ because there was trash absolutely everywhere along the sides of highway.

A lot of states in the south will also have a precipitous road quality drop at the state line.

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crank0271reply
lemmy.world

Ah yes, the Garden State. What do they garden? Apparently strip malls and trash.

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NOT_RICKreply
lemmy.world

We have great corn, tomatoes, blueberries, strawberries, and cranberries. It’s not all sprawl

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Totally agree. It's just sad to see the extent of the sprawl with seemingly no regard for anything except "development."

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NOT_RICKreply
lemmy.world

What part of Jersey? Just curious. I will say, I’ve been happy with the NJ plastic bag ban because it’s helped some. Still wayyy too many people around here that don’t give a shit and litter.

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Catoblepasreply
piefed.blahaj.zone

Trenton area mostly. The bag ban wasn’t in effect last time I visited, so if it’s improved the situation that’s great.

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The butthurt that I witnessed in Wawas and Grocery stores in the wake of the ban was glorious

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Dozzi92reply
lemmy.world

You sure you don't mean Staten Island? It's a literal island of garbage, with garbage people living on it. Like one of the wonders of the world, but the opposite, whateve that would be.

Besides that, whether you're on 295, or 202 or 78, or 80, when you cross the river into PA, the road goes to absolute shit. But for the most part, the cities along the river aren't bad. You got Easton okay, but Phillipsburg sucks. New Hope and Lambertville, lovely. Trenton sucks. And yeah, I don't really go south of 195 except at the shore.

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All my years in NYC and I never did go to Staten Island, and god willing I never will. Unless taking my tourist friends/family on the ferry to see the Statue of Liberty and immediately turning around and going back on the next ferry without even leaving the transportation center counts. But the Staten Island ferry is actually free, unlike the Ellis Island ferry, so screw that.

And yeah, PA roads are… special. Worst I’ve seen outside the south for sure. Trenton area was mostly where I was going to and from, so that might be why the NJ/trash association is so strong for me.

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fedia.io

Everytime I cross into Ohio I feel like I'm losing the will to live.

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My friend visits chicago to Dayton Ohio often, he says the roads turn to shit the moment he crosses over to Ohio lol

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field on one side, field on the other. if I am on the interstate, the surface gets really shitty on our side because brownback and the republicans in topeka drained the highway fund to give the koch bros and fat corpo-farmers a tax break.

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You gotta pay to leave NJ regardless of which way you go which I think is funny. Makes me think of a Bronx tale; “now youse can’t leave”

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lemmy.zip

Roads. It is pretty common around where I grew up to notice you are in a different states when there is a sudden shift in road conditions. They never communicated about when to do repairs or anything, so it was almost always an obvious line between either a really shit road and a smooth one, or vice versa. Sometimes you could even tell based on the noise or feel of the road, if the other state uses different road construction materials.

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Sounds a lot like how all borders of Latvia felt like just five years ago or so. A lot of the maps they use for any planning work have just plain white colour outside the borders, so after the last village there's just the border, and then... nothing.

So, once you were beyond the last village inside Latvia, there was of course no point in properly maintaining the roads. You are sitting in a bus, somewhat slumbering. Suddenly the ride becomes very uneven and you look through the window to see commas over and under half of the consonants in viļļaģe ņames :) (plus a lot of That only lasts for about five minutes, though.

And the same when exiting Latvia: bumpy road for five minutes, then the bumpiness ends and the villäges are pülling öff shenänigäns with double dots, or, alternatively, there's suddenly a lot of poop ųndęrnęąth lęttęrs. (Okay, in reality a Lithuanian letter only knows how to poop when in the beginning or end of a word)

It's a clever way to say "welcome to our co-o-o-ountr-r-r-r-r-y"! Boringly, some years ago that feature was removed, but I expect things to normalize in 10 years time. Estonia and Lithuania will maintain their roads also at the borders, but Latvia only in the relevant parts of the country, not at the outer limit of existence. Until the condition of the road to nowhere gets too ridiculous and they have to – exceptionally and begrudgingly – repair even those unnecessary pieces of road.

(And yes, this did also apply to the transcontinental road used by trucks going from Finland to Poland and Germany and further to, well, anywhere.)

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blackn1ghtreply
feddit.uk

What's the point of putting the governor name on the road sign? How is that information useful to drivers?

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nagaramreply
startrek.website

Ya know. I don't know. Every state does this as far as I can tell and so I've never questioned it.

If I had to guess, its how the DOT or Highway department shills to Tue new governor

"Hey look boss, we put ya name on da side of Interstate 69 from Illinois!,"

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It’s totally legit highway info. Completely not grifting public money for the governors election campaign. /s

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In Wisconsin, Walker straight up put a campaign slogan ("Open for business") on those signs. Fortunately, those got taken down for a simple "Tony Evers, Governor".

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I’ve lived near the Mason Dixon line for my whole life and you know when you get to Maryland because the roads aren’t covered with potholes and/or construction.

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lemmy.today

Wait are you coming from PA or DE? Because the Maryland roads near Virginia are god awful. And I mean the little roads as well as the Maryland half of the beltway that seems to always be under construction.

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The same goes for the Netherlands and Belgium. Or at least it used to be, I haven't been to belgium in years.

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pawb.social

I'll never forget driving home from college with some friends for the holidays one year. I was from PA, he was from Ohio and had never been more east. We were headed to NY with another friend and our route took us briefly through Jersey.

"How will we know we're there?" he asked as the car suddenly lurched and felt like we hit a gravel road despite ostensibly being a paved highway ...

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klemptorreply
startrek.website

That's strange, I grew up in NJ and our roads tend to be well maintained. It was kinda shocking when I moved to PA and the roads had way more potholes and skinny useless shoulders!

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I do concede, I am ... old. Things may well have changed and it depends on the part of Jersey. States around Jersey just like ripping on them to feel better about themselves, but PA is no treat either which is why I got the hell out of there =P

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lemmy.world

There are 50 states and a lot of different border arrangements. If a border is something dramatic like a river and you know that's the state border you can tell.

Often the only way to tell is a change in road surface or signage, or the "Welcome to state" sign. Google navigation will tell you too.

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Yeah most often the road gets worse /better, either because one state does a better job with road maintenance, or they're just on different schedules.

Also sometimes the signage for state routes changes slightly.

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sorghumreply
sh.itjust.works

The other big thing for knowing I'm in Illinois is seeing gasoline and diesel prices significantly higher than in my state. It's not just fossil fuels either, charging my EV in Illinois makes it cost more than fueling my wife's SUV in my state and driving the same trip. The roads aren't much better either for the higher taxes either.

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lemmy.world

Yeah, the roads instantly change color and texture. If you cross into south carolina, BAM. All the roads are whiter and rougher.

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I mean, thats kinda exactly what happens when you go from German highway to Czech highway

Everything just instantly gets yellow and dusty

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Yes! Texas/Colorado for sure, and Texas/Louisiana IIRC are noticable changes, but I can't remember if the change happens right at the border or not. Texas is big enough that we get different road types in different regions, like different asphalts near the coast vs the desert, or sometimes per county too. In retrospect it's super obvious. Awesome comment 😁

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As soon as you get out of Pennsylvania you see a marijuana store. Regardless of which state you're going into.

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Obviously pot is more dangerous than Uncle Teddy shooting fireworks off the back of his truck next to all the young children in the family

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lemmy.world

Something that surprised me in my travels (which are primarily West of the Mississippi) is how often the states actually line up with a significant geologic shift. Arizona is endless orange desert. New Mexico immediately becomes rainbow painted cliffs. Utah is somehow entirely vertical. California is a contradiction of green desert. Nevada is like a chemical mine puked on a bunch of bumpy ridges. Northern New Mexico falls off a cliff and the bottom is Texas.

If you watch closely, usually something fairly dramatic happens in the landscape within a few miles of the border.

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Drove from ohio to the PNW and yeah you've got some state boundaries that are minor like ohio-indiana (but even then there's a vibe shift between bumfuck ohio and bumfuck indiana). But Illinois is very different. Once you cross the Mississippi it's a whole lot of nothing but corn in Iowa. Minnesota was a beautiful detour and a much needed respite between Iowa and south Dakota.

Ohio is weird, it's Midwestern farms, great lakes, the ohio river valley, and Appalachian foothills. So there's more difference between Columbus and Cleveland than between Cleveland and Michigan. But going south you cross the ohio and the valley opens into a more mountainous terrain rather than the flatness of ohio. Similarly west Virginia is a river then suddenly mountains. Pennsylvania just feels different (tbh the ohio-Pennsylvania border is out of the way unless you live in Cleveland or have frequent reason to drive to the east coast)

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Don't forget weed! Happens with Wisconsin and basically every state that borders it.

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jonesey71reply
lemmus.org

I don't know if it is still the case, but the border between Washington and Idaho went from motorcycle helmet law to no helmet law and when people drove from Seattle to Sturgis there would be a ditch full of motorcycle helmets just across the border into Idaho on I-90.

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lemmy.ca

Was that like some sort of take-a-helmet, leave-a-helmet situation? Were there bikers in the ditch who were heading westward looking for a brain bucket?

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I think the unwritten rule is they aren't touched and they are there when people come back through. I didn't ditch mine, so I can't say for sure.

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Well, I live on the Minnesota side of the Minnesota / Wisconsin border and normally I can tell I crossed the border because I have to cross the 4th largest river in the world, the Mississippi river.

Joking aside a big tell used to be frac sand mines. Minnesota cracked down on them much harder much more quickly than Wisconsin so you would see them all over the place in Wisconsin but not in MN. I haven't seen as many of those lately though. Also If I drive too far south I wind up driving out of the Kwik Trip gas station zone and into the vastly inferior Caseys gas station zone in Iowa.

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I was going to say the firework signs are a sure sign you moved from Minnesota to Wisconsin.

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EnderLawreply
lemmy.world

Drive south far enough and you reach the vastly superior QT gas station zone.

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lemmy.zip

QT: Free air, Roller grills.

And much more. Not good prices though, they know how to separate customers from their cash pretty well.

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I live on a border and my jogging path cuts through one state and then rounds back home to the other. The only way you can tell a difference is the states have different paving and road work schedules, so usually one state has more shitty roads then the other.

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I travel a lot throughout the US, and sometimes the changes are obvious while other times I can be driving and not entirely sure which state I'm in just from looking around on the highway. As others have said while driving on a major highway a clue can be a huge store full of items like fireworks just across the border from a state they aren't legal in.

The geography and environment can certainly be a big clue. Driving through West Virginia there are tunnels through large mountains, Pennsylvania around the Pittsburgh area has steel bridges, Louisiana has highways raised up from the muck, there are mountains that the highways wind around in North Carolina that give way to pretty flat highways as you go south. Kentucky has long depressing stretches of straight boring road. I've noticed even traffic patterns can say things as Georgia highways always have a higher number of semitrucks than anywhere else for example. Nevada is flat and open but as you go into Utah it gets windy and rocky, and cell signal usually goes out for a bit.

Staying in different states I notice alcohol sales rules are different. In some states you basically don't see any alcohol outside of designated stores for it including no beer at gas stations, in other states you see beer for sale widely but hard liquor only at designated stores, and in other states hard liquor at WalMart is perfectly normal.

I've found on the whole that people are actually nicer than average in Utah. While coffee shops exist I have noticed in offices there is often a lack of a central coffee machine.

Louisiana everyone I deal with from there has a tendency to be much more relaxed than average about showing up exactly on time for things. Louisiana itself also has a cultural divide between the northern part which is more generic US south, and the southern part which has the more creole and tourist heavy atmosphere.

I honestly don't mind Ohio. I know it's an internet meme to hate it, but aside from their obsession with dumping chili on unrelated foods it's decent. Has a strong blue collar streak kind of like Pennsylvania culture.

Texas has a big cowboy influence and they don't let you not know it. The roads tend to big big and wide which is great, except the freeways especially in Dallas can become confusing multilevel nightmares.

California has lots of Spanish signs, lots of first generation Mexicans who bring culture with them. Lots of for example Mexican super markets. Californians have a culture of going FAST on freeways if there isn't gridlock traffic, in some cases going 100mph just barely keeps you up with traffic.

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discuss.tchncs.de

One comment mentioned that some things are legal in one state but illegal in another.
And I also remember that laws in general are often quite different between states.

So, I am wondering if there exist some kind of controls near state borders to catch illegal stuff and practices (or even wanted persons?) crossing the border?

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bluGillreply
fedia.io

they used to search all cars entering minnesota from wisconson for fireworks until the courts ruled that was illegal without a warant for the specific cars to search. This was around 30 years ago. California has done searchs for 'bugs' before but don't know if the still do.

in every case I've seen you don't see any difference but locals know and will bicker over trivial things like sport teams or best state bird.

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Zakreply
lemmy.world

California still maintains agricultural inspection stations. Based on the FAQ, I think the legal workaround they're using is that they can deny entry to a vehicle until it is inspected even though they cannot, strictly speaking deny entry to people.

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The inspection station I pass by is still there, but it's been literal years since I've actually been stopped or even seen it manned. I don't make the trip regularly and have always been in a sedan, so maybe I've just been lucky. Though my guess is that funding cuts have hit them badly.

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discuss.tchncs.de

California has done searchs for ‘bugs’ before but don’t know if the still do.

I guess that is not "Bugs" as in butterfly?

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Iunnraisreply
lemmy.world

It is stated to be literally for bugs, as in insects, for agricultural protection reasons. It’s in quotes though, because typically the real purpose of such inspections is to “accidentally” find other contraband “in plain sight” during the thorough inspection for “bugs”.

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discuss.tchncs.de

Ok, this is bonkers. Although the risk of contamination with foreign insects via transit is real (we e.g. imported the Tiger Mosquito from the US via tire shipments from the U.S. into Europe some years ago...), using that as an excuse to search passenger cars is quite a stretch...

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Yeah, but… as you say. It’s an excuse. Give war on drugs people an opening, they take it. Anything to oppress the poors.

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This would become quite a thorny constitutional issue very quickly. The 14th amendment explicitly specifies that one state can't try to prosecute someone for something done in another state that was legal there but is illegal here. This has further been interpreted to mean that interstate travel as a whole is a protected right, and any form of checkpoint or other hassle-station on a border between states would surely also be a 4th amendment violation.

That's not to say some idiot won't try it eventually, especially given the current political climate, but up until now it's not done as a matter of course.

A state neighboring mine got in big time hot water a decade or so ago for stationing their own cops in our state and tailing people out of liquor store parking lots with the aim of harassing them over the minutiae of the differences in liquor laws between the two. Obviously that didn't fly, because that state does not have jurisdiction here which means they have no grounds for a stop or search. Likewise, entering another state is not legal grounds for a stop and search unless that state's law enforcement already has some manner of articulable probable cause.

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Ok, expected this to be covered legally somehow.
Also as I assume that freedom of movement would be a value you are regarding highly in the States.

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Zerlynareply
lemmy.world

Yes! When you cross into Virginia one is greeted with signage expressing radar detectors are illegal.

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lemmy.today

Yes indeedy! And to turn on your lights if your wipers are on, and to buckle up, and your speed may be monitored by aircraft. But pay no mind to the aircraft signs. The program ended up being way too expensive and they just never took the signs down. But do watch out for those cut throughs between the trees along the interstates because staties absolutely are hiding in there hoping for easy pickins.

And some have radar detector detectors. Turn your device off if you don't want an extra $100 added to your speeding ticket.

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jqubedreply
lemmy.world

I still like to imagine fighter jets or attack helicopters swooping in to blow up speeders, or in more modern times drone strikes

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This is perfect, because I vaguely remember the Virginia signs reading, “ speed enforced by aircraft.”

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jqubedreply
lemmy.world

It’s illegal to own one in Virginia. If you’re from another state where they are legal you’re supposed to take it off your windshield or at the very least turn it off if you have a more built-in kind. I remember they used to be relatively common in the ’90s and early ’00s but I really don’t see them very often anymore, so I don’t know if that’s as much of an issue nowadays.

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SSTFreply
lemmy.world

Do those detectors even work against LIDAR? A lot of police use that now anyway.

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Keeping in mind that I haven’t looked into this in over 20 years, back then the answer was technically yes but practically not really, or at least not well, and I’d be surprised if the answer has changed much in the intervening years. Radar has a fairly wide beam and most systems, at least at the time, would just leave it on all the time, so it would be pretty easy for a radar detector to pick up the signal while it was targeting other cars, well before the car with the detector would be targeted. This would typically give the driver time to slow down before they were targeted. By contrast, LiDAR uses a much narrower beam. IIRC the width of the beam even at some of the farthest effective distances was still about 3-feet (≈1 meter) wide or less, and the officers were trained to aim at where the front license plate would be. That meant it was quite likely that the targeted vehicle would absorb or reflect most if not all of the signal. On top of that, the LiDAR guns would only be active for a few seconds, so even if there was rogue signal that made it past the targeted vehicle there would only be a very limited window for the detector to observe it. It’s absolutely possible for the detector to pick up the frequencies being used, but more than likely if it was detecting a signal it would be because an officer was in the process of getting the vehicle’s speed so any alert would be coming too late.

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lemmy.today

Not typically. You'll see police along the major highways for speeders and the like but no state border patrol like that. Legally often transporting across state lines is a crime in and of itself but it's one of those things where they look the other way unless they catch you using whatever item.

Often this is done for practical purposes, because if it's legal in the state you started in, and might be legal in your final destination, they'd piss off more people that not of they stopped and confiscated from everyone.

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Makes sense. Would also just generate work for the police forces with probably only low level violations to be uncovered.
Being practical is a good approach.

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lemmy.world

Leaving South Carolina to enter North Carolina or Georgia, the roads are so much better and there’s a noticeable decrease in overall loudness in road noise.

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alnreply
lemmy.world

Holy fucking shit the SC roads are B A D

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lemmy.nz

Grew up near the US/Canadian border, there is a line of white rocks that tell you it's the border.

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There was no line when I saw it while in basic training; just a nice, 20-foot-wide laneway of cleared trees and mown grass, just perfect for tromping along. Armed.

And that's how we may have accidentally invaded America.

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sh.itjust.works

Heading west out of Connecticut into New York the most obvious difference is they don't trim tree branches over the road/power lines. It suddenly feels like you're driving through a tunnel of green. Its actually quite nice but those parts of nys must have a lot of outages after storms.

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A lot of our residential infrastructure is underground, because of the weather we have. Though, there's a fair amount of aerial hardware as well. Where I live is famous for ice storms, and every few years there's a major outage that lasts anywhere from 12 to 48 hours. They're rare, but they do occur. More often it's because someone hit a pole or ground mount transformer, versus a falling branch or lightning bolt.

I still prefer ice, snow, and occasional outages to unbearable heat and humidity, earthquake, and hurricane tradeoff being further south or west.

To answer OP, there's a visible change in road surface and signage not only at state borders, but even between county and town lines. Each county handles the road a different way, and the finish/quality can differ a LOT even between municipalities and counties.

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A lot of our residential infrastructure is underground, because of the weather we have.

I get that. A lot of ours is too. But I live an hour from the area I'm talking about, the weather isn't that different, and I still see wire poles up there waiting to be taken down by a tree branch in the next ice storm. CTs trees tend to be pruned so they don't overhang the roads at all. Its the most jarring difference driving from, for example, Sherman CT to Pawling NY.

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fedia.io

In NJ all the gas stations are full service only. If you try to start pumping your own gas the attendant will start yelling at you telling you to stop

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I often get away with taking the hose out when the pump is done, they don’t seem to care about that. Usually quicker than waiting for them to walk back to my car. Only time I appreciate the full service is when it’s cold as fuck out or just bad weather in general.

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You should bounce from Alabama to Mississippi, night and day difference, which is funny because Americans lump the two states together.

We drive hundreds and hundreds of miles a year through backwoods Alabama highways, thence into Mississippi. There is one short stretch where the road is messed up. Going into Mississippi, the road turns to crap instantly, even the US highways are somehow underfunded.

Gas stations in AL are neat enough, in MS there's trash flying around everywhere. For that matter, you can tell by the small towns. Alabama side? Generally charming, though poverty is bad. Pass into Mississippi? Next town you come to will be a wasteland of poverty and ground down infrastructure.

Forest drops quickly in favor of farmland. AL is the most forested state in America. MS countryside looks more like Oklahoma.

Going from Florida into Alabama, you really can't tell without a sign, and there usually is one, or Google Maps announces it. The landscape and forests don't change until you've gone a ways north or west. Takes awhile to start seeing hills! Florida's the flattest state in America.

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Also wherever the last hills are within 10 miles of the border there is a guaranteed police officer sitting on the other side out of view pointing a lidar at the top of the hill so when you go over they can clock all your speeds. More so on whichever border county is keeping their side up better.. but if your heading to say Georgia you can tell your almost to Georgia because you can see the Florida cops waiting for the people heading South on the other side of the road.

(Although in Florida they often lack the hills to hide behind so they often use bushes, drainage ditches and overpass walls to hide behind.).

More than a 2500 different types of palm trees/bushes. And on 75/95, they are going to be invested with pigs.

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I used to live in the US and travel a lot by car. The infrastructure, specifically the roads, their striping, their guardrails, etc. could change drastically at state borders. They could sometimes even be of different quality and material at county borders within a state.

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The road surface materials and condition of the road changes.

Some states/towns limit billboards and tall sign poles. And some are very maximalist about it.

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lemmy.world

The roads get better, the drivers get worse, there's jughandles everywhere, they won't let me pump my own gas, and there's liquor stores that aren't owned by the state.

Also I have to cross a river, and pretty much everything gets flatter.

For the other borders, mostly the same. One direction you start seeing more places serving crab, another has no sales tax, one is just boring and depressing, and the other unless you cross at some very specific places is mostly just woods and farms and shit that kind of blend into our own but with better roads.

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lemmus.org

My crossing is a river, so basically pretty obvious. I was out of town on a work trip though and I was warned that when I was going to a Home Depot to not miss the turn because I would be at the Canada border and doing a U-turn there would probably get me chased down and pulled over.

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From the US to Canada, suddenly the signs are written in French (and Chinese too in Toronto airport).

Mexico, the signs are written in Spanish.

Yeah, that's what I notice

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There’s a spot near me where 3 intersect right on the road. The pavement is in a different state of disrepair for each. You can see it and hear it driving along.

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lemmy.world

The roads go to absolute shit crossing from Ohio into Indiana. And it's not like we have exactly great roads here...

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lemmy.world

Yeah. Drive into South Carolina and the atmosphere just feels like you’ve rolled around on a truck stop bathroom floor. Then there’s all the fireworks stands, DUI defense attorney billboards, shit roads, Palmetto signs, etc. I think they just got Jersey Mike’s because I saw a bunch of plaques for them on the exits.

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South Carolina is just a floppy extension of Myrtle Beach and mostly consists of the void you might need to cross to get to Georgia.

It's a weird state. I am sure there are some nice parts, but for the most part, I can't stand it.

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In most cases it isn't apparent and doesn't matter. But there are some that are* noticeable and do matter. Having traveled to most states via car, it's been interesting to see the ones that stood out.

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Canadian here, never crossed into the U.S nor seen the border but at some point in time I drove down 0 Avenue and saw a house with an American flag and my instinct was “That’s the wrong country chief” but I was far wrong.

Really put into perspective how “secure” our borders are.

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I grew up in Illinois, about an hour northwest of Chicago. As soon as you cross into Wisconsin or Indiana there are fireworks stores EVERYWHERE! And as of a few years ago, Illinois has returned the favor with dispories on its side of the border.

Also as soon as you cross into Indiana, you're bombarded with billboards for "gentlemen's" clubs and ones saying "Hell is Real" and the like.

Crossing into Wisconsin, it never took long to leave the flatness of Illinois behind to have it replaced by the state's rolling hills. You'd also stop seeing businesses with "Chicagoland" in the name once you were north of the border. You do see that in parts of northwest Indiana though

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Like others have said, the roads here tell you.

Specifically, when you cross State Line Road, you've crossed the state line.

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lemmy.world

It usually depends on how big the road is that you're driving on. Most state borders are in very extremely rural areas, so sometimes there's not even a sign. On interstate highways it's always quite obvious, but little country roads might not have any signage at all.

  • There's usually no obvious change in architecture, no; often the only architecture is farm buildings, and those are more or less consistent architecturally. And broadly speaking architecture is regional, rather than state-specific; the difference in architecture from northern Indiana to southern Indiana is far more pronounced than the difference in architecture from southern Indiana to northern Kentucky, for instance.

  • As noted elsewhere, sometimes the infrastructure can be different (usually seen in road quality), but most states tend to number their county roads in different ways, so when you cross the border you'll often find that the number of the roads you're crossing tend to suddenly shift from "300W" to "2300E." The signage may also change very slightly, though if you're truly out in the middle of nowhere, there might not be any signage to change.

  • Agriculture, like architecture, is usually much more defined by region than by state. All of the states around mine farm corn, wheat, and soybeans, just like mine does. Most also farm cows, though Kentucky notably has a lot more horses than any of its neighbors, so that can be a tell. But you don't get into a ton of ranching until you get further west, and then you see large changes across multiple states at a time.

  • Store brands often do change, but again, since most crossings are in rural areas, there often aren't any stores around to notice the change right away. You'll roll out of a state with a lot of Meijer stores and into a state where Publix is the regional grocery store, but until you get into a town, there's no way to know.

  • Culture is probably the thing you'll notice least. People who live in rural areas tend to think of themselves as American before any other identifier, so you'll find a lot of jingoism anywhere on both sides of any border. American flags, Christian crosses, gigantic emotional support pickup trucks, bizarrely aggressive patriotic bumper stickers, Trump signs and flags, etc. Depending on where you are those sorts of things are accompanied by very clear signs of deep poverty (mobile homes, trash-strewn lawns, run-down houses), but they can just as often be on or around very well-kept houses on huge acreage.

  • And if you mean "culture" in the sense of theater, music, etc., you're unlikely to find any at all near a state border.

I guess the other thing is that Google Maps will tell you "Welcome to (state)" when you're navigating. There are some times that that's the only way you'll know.

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Yeah the roads are definitely the biggest giveaway, I noticed that between Ohio and Indiana, minor rural roads go from standard 55mph two-lane roads with a double-yellow line to narrower 45mph alley-type roads that are still wide enough for 2 cars to pass, but barely. And of course everything else is still farmland so not much different. I wouldn't be surprised if even the stores didn't change - a Walmart is a Walmart regardless of what state it's in.

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I once lived in a small city right on that state's border. It was sort of a suburb tho to a very large city in the neighboring state. The major roads would have signage, but on the smaller roads there really wasn't any way to tell. The main difference tho was that the large city's public transit options extended pretty far out even into the small towns along the border, but wouldn't at all come into my small city..

Where I live now, you have to cross a very large river to get into the neighboring state. What's worth sharing here tho, is that there is a nearby county line, where even tho there's a sign, you don't need it at all. The landscape/biome changes pretty much at the county line.
It goes from a sort of temperate rainforest-like climate, to arid grassland/high desert climate. You'll be driving thru areas with large, old growth evergreens and lots of ferns underneath, and then it turns to dead, dry, brown grass and sagebrush shrubs everywhere. Like, it could also even be raining the whole first part of the drive there, but once you get to this county line the rain almost always dissipates. It's pretty wild.

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One state is across a big river. Marijuana is mostly legal on the other side so the billboards start as you get close to the bridges.

The other state is culturally and geographically identical to the other side of the border. If you look closely you'll see that private liquor stores are allowed, as well as payday lending. That's it.

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When I lived in the Midwest one of the clearest signals (aside from the obvious signage) was the college football team swag on cars and in front of houses.

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When driving through the Kansas City metro area, the road that splits the two states is literally named State Line Road. Everything looks the same on both sides of the road.

Otherwise there tend to be signs on roads welcoming you to whichever state depending on the direction you are going. Those signs used to match up with a change in road maintenance quality but Kansas decided to join the race to the bottom so it isn't as noticeable anymore.

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I live in New Jersey, so I usually notice I've left the state because I've driven over a bridge into a large city - that's usually my first clue.

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I don't live near the border, but one difference I notice when crossing over is the roads are always better. Doesn't matter which state I cross over into; roads a better (ours are shit).

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I used to live near Cincinnati. You don't go to Kentucky by accident. The largest tributary of the Mississippi was in the way and all thats waiting for you is Kentucky. Also the traffic sucked

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I don't live near the border but on a road trip I noticed an immediate difference in the quality of the road surface when I entered Alabama coming from Florida. Florida has pretty good roads. Alabama, uhh, not so much. Mississippi and Louisiana roads were also terrible. Texas was better but the quality was spottier.

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I can sometimes tell what county (not country) I am in from differences in the design of street signs (mostly the street name signs at stop lights), changes to the look of highway overpasses, and whether or not Flock cameras outnumber people.

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fedia.io

Store brands are mostly about distance from the warehouse.

culture and language changes but there isn't normally a clear line of where one starts - it is a continum. (the minnesota accent is only spoken by a minority in mn)

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It's only regularly spoken by a minority but most can and will break it out on ocassion. It's always fun to do on vacation.

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Well, there's a big fucking river—so that helps.

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I can tell when I'm driving from NY into CT when suddenly there's traffic for no reason and everybody is driving like an asshat.

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There often aren't major cultural differences, not the abruptly, but there still can be changes. Sometimes the road will be 2 lanes on one side and 4 on the other. Sometimes you'll see a ton of new billboards on one side and not the other because they just bought a bunch in one state. Architecture? Not so much, I don't think, though it could be in some areas. Generally if someone is actively picking something while they're there,like building a house, it won't change, but if it's someone picking or choosing something from afar like what a road should be like or what to advertise it can change abruptly.

A good example is that in the past (not so much now), I-75 going south into Georgia began to have a ton of weird pro life billboards and Christian billboards once you cross the state line. Since then they have passed the line, but for real, it was a very abrupt change from none to tons of pictures of fetuses and talking points about when "your baby's" heart beat begins. As well as weird pictures of an apocalypse and Jesus that just sort of says "do you have a decision to make?" With no context.

I actually signed that last one's website's guest book to tell them the domain name on their signs was wrong, which was hilarious to me. It seems like the site would come before the billboards, so why wouldn't they notice the billboards had the wrong site? It was something like org instead of com, pretty minor. But sure enough they changed the billboards next time I went to Florida. So clearly someone is maintaining that site and those billboards. I just checked and it's still up, but it looks like they have some redirects now. So, maybe they fixed some stuff or my memory is fuzzy, this was probably about 10 years ago, definitely pre COVID though.

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State line road. If I'm driving north I'm in Missouri. If I'm driving South, I'm in Kansas. (Kansas City, Missouri)

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West Coast perspective:

  • Siskiyou Pass is both the biggest change in elevation and steepest grade on I-5
  • the grass is literally greener on the OR side. CA is known for its golden grass that is much dryer (hence the Golden Gate. As a child I was disappointed that it is painted orange and not gold)
  • Agricultural Inspection Station mentioned in another comment (only when traveling into CA)
  • not a huge cultural difference between upper NorCal and Southern Oregon though

Further north...

  • crossing the Columbia, the biggest river in the region, also has one of only several interstate draw bridges in the US. Prepare to be stuck in traffic if you're remotely close to rush hour
  • No sales tax in OR means there are large malls immediately off the first OR exits. Likewise there isn't a single Best Buy in Vancouver because everyone drives across the river to dodge sales tax for big ticket items
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lemmy.world

I knew a family who's house was in New York and the backyard was in New Jersey. No, you couldn't tell.

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Dozzi92reply
lemmy.world

Sounds like Upstate New Jersey, hill country. That's pretty neat, though.

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A lot of territories end at a river, but when the boundaries were set for New York they asked for a buffer zone (10 miles I think?) away from the Hudson River. So it really is an arbitrary boundary.

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lemmy.sdf.org

Haha, I'd be combing through the state codes for shenanigans to get up to.

I wonder what their property taxes were like.

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CanadaPlusreply
lemmy.sdf.org

One just for an empty backyard? It would suck if they got taxed twice on the whole property, although it's possible.

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lemmy.world

I‘ve only been once to the US but do you by any chance mean California - Arizona?

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The Colorado River is nowhere near as wide as the Mississippi.

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There's a big ass river, so on this side of it you're in IL and the other side is IA.

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It's usually on a highway and highways usually have a "Welcome to …" sign at the border.

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The AZ/NM area was absolutely my favorite part of the past 3 years of round trips across the country (driving someone who medically can't fly). I'll never be a desert dweller, but the Sonora, Payson, and heading into Gallup and Albuquerque is just jaw dropping.

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lemmy.zip

I live close to the Louisiana border, so I know I'm in LA when the roads turn to shit.

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The Missouri-Illinois border is the Mississippi river. Hard to accidentally cross it.

Edit: I take that back. I wasn't accounting for the crazy interchanges in St. Louis right before and after the three bridges that cross near downtown. So you have all the local traffic and exits for downtown piled up with local and interatate traffic crossing the bridges. People love it.

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It feels like traffic instantly doubles after you cross the California border, but that could just be me. The Palm trees are also noticeably different in Cali.

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Not super stark, but travelling north from Alabama to the Tennesee/Alabama/Georgia triple point you get a lot of rocky outcrops and the terrain will tell you that you're in the Cumberland Foothills.

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I live near two other states and can tell a distinct difference by the shape of the mountains (one has rolling hills, the other has very steep-sided hills, my home region has deeper valleys) and the building style since one state has lax building codes and the other has older and larger structures. The barns are typically discernable too.

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Right now just with signs, but if Wisconsin doesn't get their shit together it will be a clearly marked, well equipped check point

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The drivers for sure. I live in a major metropolitan area on the east coast and at the intersection of three jurisdictions.

My home state’s drivers are slow as molasses and geriatric or are obviously foreign and didn’t take U.S. driver’s ed.

Across the river is a bunch of sheltered drivers who I normally pity. Their city is usually walkable or transit-able so driving is not something you could even expect them to be good at.

And then there’s the adjacent state which is notoriously home to some of the worst drivers in the US who genuinely, routinely make me fear for my life when they’re in my proximity on the road lol. Hate those drivers.

Other than that, I think the culture of my home state is much warmer and friendly while the adjacent state is nice but the people are also a bit more standoffish and cold. Home state is a barren wasteland of awful roads and data centers, adjacent state has so much green space and well-developed communities.

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sopuli.xyz

When you cross from Nevada into California, the roads turn to shit.

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