GitHub CEO delivers stark message to developers: Embrace AI or get out.
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CEOs, embrace torches and pitchforks.
Copilot is shit.
I'm looking out in the street. I see a lack of torches, pitchforks, or any pressure on corporate interests.
Don't worry, they're gonna eat themselves doing shit just like this. It's not a matter of if, but when.
"AI" has it's uses (medicine, engineering, etc.), but 99.99% of the snake oil they're selling are just gimmicky cash grabs. Classic cases of Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
Let them burn their money, I say. Fuck it. Just sit back and enjoy the fire.
Hard agree. AI is not currently at the stage that CEO's think it's at. A few years down the road there's going to be a hard crash, when the problems overthrow the benefits and they realize they are just throwing money away. Sadly this also will be accompanied with a IT/Software "sinkhole" because many who were competent in the field will have moved on to the next thing as the jobs wern't there anymore.
Something similar happened with the Nursing field during COVID, prior to the event, there was a steady if not overflow of medical professionals, but when COVID occurred they started being treated like tools, medical facilities started having to pay mad amounts of money on traveling staff that jumped from facility to facility due to it to even partially make up for it as many left the field. Jump to today, the problem still exists, an educated field like IT or nursing can't have an event that results in tons of people leaving the profession, as you can't just snap your finger and get that knowledge back. It will take years to regain that trust and get people back into the fields again.
I think they're aware which is why they're posturing with BS statements such as his. They wouldn't need to force it on people if it were actually as good as they want people to think it is. They want to cash in now because they know the house of cards will crumble sooner than later.
Even more fun, the stock market is propped up by Nvidia and AI companies buying their chips. If AI crashes, it's a new financial crisis. And if the market crashes, the layoffs at far were just a warmup.
they already laid off so many people, when it does crash, it will. do they expect the programmers/devs they dint fire to hold thier company over til thier next grift, with so little people.
They'll expect that and in lot of cases fail, while China, India en EU will try buy everything for cents on the dollar. Then USA starts to lose its dominant position in digital services, what's now a big part of the export. Or the government can panic and nationalize the whole sector. It's not sure how things turn out, but it'll be a weird time.
I predict it will be even more somewhat lesser skilled white collar type office jobs. Like insurance adjusters and other insurance policy related jobs come to mind. AI will completely fuck this up. There will be massive lawsuits and these companies will go out of business. Same thing with other industries. Once they realize the massive fuckup they made, they will try to switch back but no one will be there available to come back. And then they are fucked. The more industries this happens to, the worse the crash will be as it affects many diverse industries. It’s a huge recipe for disasters, like Great Depression style. And with trump’s tarrifs to fan the flame, we are well on our way.
Don't worry, until Trump gets his insurance adjusted by an LLM trained on real data about him (won't happen), he'll make executive orders exempting the LLM users from legal action.
also - love the Johnny Mnemonic inspired username.
it has a cascading effect, its already affecting state university in the west in enrollment, because they dont see a future in thier degree, they are either not choosing to come to a particular 4 year university, or looking at other universities in other areas.
What drew me to this collection of a full sentence and another fragment spliced in wasn't the comma splice: it was the perfect example of beggaring the question.
I'm still not sure whether the bad writing was accidental or an attempt to divert from the false premise.
At no time has there been sufficient medical staff.
This is exactly what happened to manufacturing and chip making of 40 years of "free trade". We lack the skilled staff for these jobs.
Continuing on the nursing topic, well before covid there was a shortage of nurses, then the media blitz convinced many people to get degrees... There were so many looking for work that wages plummeted.
It's all a shell game. The goal is to make the labor suplly huge so they can dictate wages, which they did.
They did it with programmers overthe last ten years... Now nobody can find a job.
I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!
travelling nurses seems to be the way to go, to earn bank. being a staff at a hospital or medical center doesnt seem attractive, unless your in a really backwoods state like a red one, where they let nurses fall to the cracks to be hired. Also the pandemic, people during thier university years wernt learning anything so they were also fucked from the start, since everything was online and not in person, thats why im seeing such bad reviews in universities in my area. the first 2 years is pretty much crucial to determine your strength in your degree, and then some experience, which was probably non existent during covid, like with labs and research.
Be the change you want to see.
That always seems to happen. I'm too broke to buy a pitchfork, and too pyrophobic for a torch, sorry.
Be patient. Pyrrhic victories of your enemies are not to be gobbled. They are to be savoured.
Exactly, my company provides license for copilot and I use it, and while it has some highlights most of the time it actually is more a nuisance than help.
It especially annoys me because it hijacks autocomplete based on types with is own that frequently has subtle bugs, so now if I have it enabled I need to be on guard all the time. With the traditional autocomplete I could just trust it to be correct.
This is my experience. It saves a bit of typing sometimes but that's probably cancelled out by the time spent correcting it, rewriting nonsense it produced, and reviewing my corworkers PRs that didn't notice the nonsense.
Here's where I'll give it credit:
Doesn't make up for the annoying-ass auto complete hijacking though. Stupid thing keeps making up non-existent functions and api's and inserting them all over the place.
You have to put it in Ask mode so it doesn’t touch your code also ChatGPT models are free so if you want to ring up an AI bill use the Claude and Sonnet models.
You can turn off the copilot autocomplete in the ide and JUST use agent/edit/ask mode
i wonder if this the reason why its so bad on the phones, it autocomplete with words that arnt even close to what you are typing.
Turn off the autocomplete, it’s shit. Do use agent mode for targeted tasks that are easy but laborious. Don’t give open ended or subjective prompts. Don’t ask it to do anything creative or novel. It has its uses. Nowhere near what the snake oil salesmen would have you believe, and probably not worth the unsubsidized cost, but for now it has uses.
Yes and no. I find its terrible at solving more complex problems but its great at writing out tests for a function/view that covers every flow. My team went from having like 40% (shit) coverage to every PR having every case tested (inb4 they're not good tests, they are good)
With that being said, fuck CEOs and fuck AI. At least you could (mostly) escape the blockchain hype
Bro you are literally not necessary, not even the best at what you do. See everyone on codeberg.
Codeberg is so nice.
But who else is going to micromanage and bully the employees and strut around self-importantly doing jack shit? /s
Replace CEOs with AI
I'm wondering about why they got fooled. Have they noticed that LLM can do a better job than them and they think that this will also translate to software engineering?
My understanding is CEOs are mostly good at schmoozing with other CEOs and investors. A lot of investors operate on vibes, so having a CEO that can vibe with other rich bros can open pathways to funding. That's about it. Everything else they do is a liability or could be better handled by someone with relevant expertise.
Also, we probably shouldn't be driving most of our productivity based on the vibe check of a few rich boys.
Your last sentence is spot on but it doesn't capture the full weight of the impact rich people vibes have on the world. The perceived value of every stock, and by extension the economy as a whole, is almost exclusively a vibe check of rich guys. There is no objective information about a company that is more indicative of that company's success than how rich people feel about it.
And since Rich people are just interested in having the biggest number, they only invest in lines that are going up every quarter.
Mutual funds are doing the same thing, and since they’ve convinced the rest of us to invest our retirements into stocks instead of pensions, we’re all fucked when it fails.
also convincing the board of directors to not get rid of them.
replace CEOs with people
What employees?
Codeberg rules
This part really stuck out for me:
If hype doesn't work, try threats!
Which is how you know they have a good product that they have full faith in.
when they have to blackmail, threaten, coerce, and force people to accept their product.
"The Sky Is Falling! Buy My Magic Umbrella!" is a classic hypeman's trick.
From Java beans(TM) to Magic Beans.
For some odd reason, this calls to mind an emotionally immature parent trying to get their toddler to eat vegetables... no reason at all...
Just that the vegetables in this case are actually fastfood and gummibears.
Threats work well for scams. People who couldn't be bothered to move by promises of something new and better can be motivated by fear of losing what they already have.
It's really unfortunate psychology is looked down upon and psychologists are viewed as some "soft" profession. Zuck is a psychology major. It's been 2 decades, most of the radical changes in which were not radical in anything other than approach to human psychology.
BTW, I've learned recently that in their few initial years Khmer Rouge were not known as communist organization to even many of their members. Just an "organization". Their rhetoric was agrarian (of course peasants are hard-working virtuous people, and from peasantry working the earth comes all the wisdom, and those corrupt and immoral people in the cities should be made work to eat), Buddhist (of course the monk-feudal system of obedience, work and ascese is the virtuous way to live, though of course we are having a rebirth now so we are even wiser), monarchist (they referred to Sihanouk's authority almost to the end), anti-Vietnamese (that's like Jewish for German Nazis, Vietnamese are the evil). And after them taking power for some time they still didn't communicate anything communist. They didn't even introduce their leadership. Nobody knew who makes the decisions in that "organization" or how it was structured. It didn't have a face. They only officially made themselves visible as Democratic Kampuchea with communism and actual leaders when the Chinese pressured them. They didn't need to, because they were obeyed via threat (and lots of fulfillment) of violence anyway.
This is important in the sense that when you have the power, you don't need to officially tell the people over which you have it that you rule them.
So - in these 2 decades it has also came into fashion to deliberately stubbornly ignore the fact that psychology works over masses. And everybody acts as if when there's no technical means to make people do something, then it's not likely or possible.
You don’t have to influence a populace. Just purchase a subgroup willing to do violence on the populace.
Violence is influence too. You still need to calculate its effects.
The code reviews will continue until morale improves.
Move to Codeberg (esp. if you're European) - but please don't forget to donate something as well. If we don't pay for actual freedom, we won't be able to keep it.
Also note that it's for open source projects only.
The underlying software forge Codeberg uses, Forgejo, is self-hostable. I'm sure some web hosting business will get around to providing a managed hosting offering eventually.
All projects should be.
I agree with you 100% but theres also a small strange humour in the wordage of paying for freedom.
It's a play on "free as in beer ...". We've seen all too well that paying with our data isn't the way to go.
https://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/620/what-is-the-difference-between-free-as-in-beer-and-free-as-in-speech
Freedom isn't free, it costs a buck 0'five
Get out or what? GitHub?
I don’t understand this insistence that all developers must use AI.
If AI made a developer better, why insist, wouldn’t the vibe coders outcompete all others?
Wouldn’t they need non AI coders to train things?
Or is it because this snake oil pitch only works when everyone does it so no one notices it’s detrimental effects?
Studies show AI coding tools make the task slower. It only makes people feel they're faster, but reality is different. So it's the snake oil pitch. Nobody can know it doesn't really work and they keep throwing money at it in an increasingly more desperate "fake it till you make it". Because, if this thing implodes, it'll take a large part of the market and economy with it to do a rerun of the 2008 financial crisis.
Can you name or link the studies? I’d love to read more abt this
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)00550-6/fulltext
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/total-fertility-rate
I think you might’ve misunderstood what I’m asking for, you said that studies show that working with AI makes tasks slower and I would like to know which studies show this
Oops, wrong thread.
https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-os-dev-study/
It's because we're expensive. That's the long and short of it.
10 developers in Silicon Valley can run you $1-$2m in salary alone (it's more expensive with benefits added).
The industry constantly conspires to keep the salary of software engineers down. It does it cyclically too. In 2008 I was told I would have no problem getting a 6 figure job when I graduated by 2013. Of course the economy had other ideas. Same thing with the dot Com bubble.
I currently make double what I did 10 years ago. It doesn't actually matter much as inflation and a divorce has had my costs balloon just as much, but it's still loads more than any other job out there.
They'll get what they want, one way or another. Then when none of their shit works they inevitably come back begging us and we request better pay and benefits again, because we know they do this. They don't learn, much like those reliant on AI.
10 engineers in the Bay Area would easily be 2-3 million without additional benefits or support personnel
Yeah, you're probably right. If they had my level of experience they're easily pulling in twice what I do as a rule of thumb
Already done. I moved everything to Codeberg a year or two ago. I strongly recommend it to anyone looking for safe, non-corporate, community-oriented version control. It’s also German and non-profit.
i urge people do do this but also donate to them too <3
Some CEO: gasp GUYS I found a new blacklisted word! Quick add non-profit to the Ai-Moderation. How dare they not pay me infinitely!
I don't get it. AI is a tool. My CEO didn't care about what tools I use, as long as I got the job done. Why do they suddenly think they have to force us to use a certain tool to get the job done? They are clueless, yet they think they know what we need.
GitHub is owned by Microsoft, and Microsoft is forcing AI on all the employees
Because unlike with the other tools you use the CEO of your company is investing millions of dollars into AI and they want a big return on their investment.
Not just that... why do they have to threat and push for people to use a tool that allegedly is fantastic and makes everything better and faster?... the answer is that it does not work but they need to pump the numbers to keep the bubble going
I think part of it is because they think they can train models off developers, then replace them with models. The other is that the company is heavily invested in coding LLMs and the tooling for them, so they are trying to hype them up.
Accurate description of most managers i've encountered.
It's not about individual contributors using the right tools to get the job done. It's about needing fewer individual contributors in the first place.
If AI actually accomplishes what it's being sold as, a company can maintain or even increase its productivity with a fraction of its current spending on labor. Labor is one of the largest chunks of spending a company has so, if not the largest, so reducing that greatly reduces spending which means for same or higher company income, the net profit goes up and as always, the line must go up.
tl;dr Modern Capitalism is why they care
Because like AI, your CEO is a tool.
Because they make money selling you the AI. It's that simple.
GitHub is being pushy? Fucking GitHub?
Should we tell him git doesn’t actually need GitHub? That it existed just fine before it and will continue to exist after it?
Ima tell him…
At some previous jobs, the newer devs would sometimes confuse the two. Its a real thing.
Me I lived through svn, mercerial, and file vault. So glad we ended up with git as the protocol.
Hell you can set up a git + file server and just use it without any Hub (Hob/lab/berg) if your bare metal enough. It works.
You can literally run a single command to setup a remote git repository on a server that has ssh.
Yep! And some emulators only do dev work that way now. N*ntendo made sure of that.
Like, really? God I feel stupid if it's that easy
Yup
git init --bare test_repo.gitIf you can ssh into it, you should be able to add that just like any other remote to your local git.
You can clone local repos from your filesystem as well. There's really not a lot of magic to it which is what makes it so cool.
sorry if I'm extra stupid with these questions, but how you add that as a remote then?
git remote add origin ssh://<<username>>@<<host>>/path/to/test_repo.gitArticle talking about it https://mikelev.in/futureproof/git-without-server-local-filesystem/
The Linux kernel still works off emailing patches. If such a large project doesn't need a central repo, you don't either.
I use self-hosted Forgejo because it's convenient, that's it.
It does technically have a central repo, but not the "forge" tooling around it.
I do think I'm going to move my personal shit to self-hosted Forgejo too though. One project of mine is going to be closed source (don't boo me, there's literally no demand for "free" in that market, the target market generally isn't interested in programming or hosting) and I don't want the business logic side of it to magically end up in their AI models despite me refusing to allow them. Couldn't care less about any of the other stuff, I'm not doing anything super high tech or special.
Yeah, there's git.kernel.org, but work happens on the mailing list, not there. If you just want a copy, you can get it there, but that'd about all there is too it.
I mean I would've preferred Hg.
But to the point, I think GitHub has been instrumental in the success of Git.
Sadly a lot of us are stuck with GitHub. Enterprise loves it because it has "Metrics", and most companies aren't about to jump ship over something like AI — especially when so many of them are already doubling down on AI in other areas.
Daily reminder that Codeberg is always the good alternative to corporate bastards like this idiot
While I don’t wish for this future, I do look forward to being one of the few that truly understands the ‘old way’ of computing like many here on Lemmy. All that knowledge I spent my youth acquiring may very well become insanely valuable in the next few decades because so many people will treat it as irrelevant.
I’ll feel a lot like this:
The future is now. The future is also ten, twenty and thirty years ago! According to GitHub's Chief Executive Idiot himself:
Except for "AI fluency", this has been true for fucking ever. No serious work environment evaluates their developers on how quickly they can vomit code (or so I hope): the job is indeed about design, quality and working as a team in general.
Which means a tool that does not help with any of these is already not a revolution. When the tool actively makes quality worse and collaboration more complicated, I get the impression it is actually detrimental.
Mind you, I might be dead wrong. I am personally not impressed so far. It seems to be a better autocomplete, but I don't want to throw a glass of water out the window every time I press tab.
Funny thing to say after using their code to train the shitty-ass AI. Developers don't need AI, but AI certainly needs developers.
AI also needs a lot of other shit to run even at a basic level. Networks, and systems... A dedicated nuclear power facility on three Mile Island.
AI can't run without so many people plugging in the servers, and power, and installing the operating systems... The list of supporting characters is long.
What if we.... Just.... Stopped supporting the companies that were pushing AI?
And now we understand why MSFT buying github a some years back was a really big deal actually, and not just some kind of mostly neutral, generic expansionary business move.
Yes, this isn't just about profits for these companies.
It's about control. They want to prove that they own us, and they're right more often than not because of useful idiots.
Would AI be better CEO's? They would cost a lot less and probably make better decisions. Just saying.
A CEO's main job is to spout bullshit, which is also AI's particular talent.
So, yes?
an ai is also often wrong but confidently says they're not wrong so that sounds perfect for ceos too
A CEOs main job is to be the fall guy when the company goes fubar.
Except that never happens. They get millions and then go bankrupt some other company.
Exactly their job. Their job is to take the blame. In exchange, they get millions to move on to someone else.
Since they almost never take the blame or suffer any consequences, most of them are not doing even that "job". They're parasites on the work of others.
I am convinced AI could replace CEO's very easily. Making decisions based on trends and lots of data is an easy use case. And if it's the wrong decision who cares? CEO's also don't take and responsibility at all. AI is also a very good lair too.
It already has.
They've drunk their own coolaid. They actually believe their own bullshit. They've offloaded what little thinking they used to do onto LLMs. They have them manage their schedules, summarise their emails, write their emails and speeches, and make every single decision for them.
They're brain-dead computer operated zombies.
The problem is that they keep getting paid absurd amounts of money for being completely useless (and that they've always been so useless that no one can tell the difference).
I can't help but picture the business card scene from American Psycho, but they're comparing the “AI” assistants they use instead of their cards.
A magic 8 ball would be a better CEO. LLMs could probably pull it off fine.
I just wrote elsewhere in this thread but to repeat myself: I think the real job of a CEO is to schmooze with other CEOs and rich idiots. They get funding. Everything else is pretty much a liability, and would be better handled by someone with relevant expertise.
So the board members could replace the CEOs with AI if they desired. I guess their saving grace is it would be hard to extort, blackmail and coerce AI.
I don't think the board wants to do that, because the board is composed of CEOs and friends of CEOs. The rich have class solidarity. They're not going to fuck each other over like that.
Understanding The Rise In CEO Exits
https://boardmember.com/understanding-the-rise-in-ceo-exits/
Company I worked at went through 5 CTOs in 4 years. 5.
Moved from github to gitlab when it was acquired by Microsoft. Moved from gitlab to codeberg last month because I don't need a behemoth with dozens of services I never use to store my 3 shitty code files.
Broke: selfhost Forgejo (what Codeberg runs on, for those who don't know) because nobody looks at my code anyway
Woke: access my Git repo directly through SSH because I don't need any other feature anyway
If those are my two options...start looking for my projects on Codeberg I guess.
https://www.colincornaby.me/2025/08/in-the-future-all-food-will-be-cooked-in-a-microwave-and-if-you-cant-deal-with-that-then-you-need-to-get-out-of-the-kitchen/
This is genuinely such a good analogy
Let me microwave your steak with a fork in it. Please watch closely as it operates.
::: spoiler Tap for Disclaimer For those idiots out there, please don’t do this. :::
chef's kiss
Can this guy really be considered a CEO if GitHub is a fully owned subsidiary of Microsoft?
You know Microsoft, the company that is heavily invested in OpenAI and is spending hundreds of billions to try to make AI happen?
Yes. Microsoft owns them and tells them what their goals are, but the CEO has sole flexibility.
"Sole flexibility" to do as he's told or get sacked.
Just like "real" CEOs have to answer to shareholders.
I don't know what "sole flexibility" is, but if Microsoft owns them and tells them what their goals are, he must not have much authority.
I assumed it meant he has comfortable shoes, so he can walk out of the door at any time.
It's funny how so many people make big businesses and think they are the GOAT when in reality the true GOAT is Linus Torvalds.
The Github CEO didn't even "make" the big business. He was appointed by Microsoft after they purchased it and their first pick for CEO of Github resigned after 2 years.
Agreed. And he is very humble about it in interviews.
Also remember that Torvalds invented Git and gave it away for free. The Corps are stealing the free software and leveraging it to force everyone to give them money instead.
Keep inflating that bubble boys.
I love that. Gonna steal it.
Aight Imma head out
He probably spent millions of his owe money on AI stocks.
Considering he's a Microsoft employee and Microsoft is leaning hard into the AI craze? His stock options are all dependent on this lol
This makes me want it to fail harder.
Expectation: High quality code done quickly by AI.
Reality: Low quality AI generated bug reports being spammed in the hopes the spammers can get bug bounty for fixing them, with AI of course.
"Managing agents to achieve outcomes may sound unfulfilling to many"
No shit, man.
it's also sort of a description of his own role, innit?
Sounds like a desperate tactic to show value to investors who are skeptical of all the insane level of cap ex... not to mention all the customers who don't want to pay for this garbage
Part of the joke is who even constitutes "value investors". As the MAG7 bloat the S&P, it's increasingly just a handful of companies passing the same dollar back and forth as fast as possible, with the expectation that they'll get bailed out by the Feds when the game is up.
Sad thing is, they're probably right. Trump's trying to get the Fed to loosen rates on the heels of an inflationary wave in order to guarantee enough exit liquidity before the market crashes.
Then we'll get another brutal privatization wave, with conservatives preaching deficit hawkery in order to justify abolishing Medicare, SS, national parks, public education, anything that can be liquidated for a quick buck.
Doors that go like this | | not like this / \
real messages: embrace AI, because i still need to grift from investor's money, because AI is just a hype"
But you forget how stupid venture capitalists have become.
They are so desperate to push this and it's pretty obvious why. Companies have dumped hundreds of millions of dollars into AI like it was going to revolutionize literally everything and are now forcing it on people to make up for the fact that they were wrong. Don't get me wrong, AI has its uses, but their whole "solution for everything" mentality is really starting to backfire and they are just trying to make a profit off their investments. Basically "we spent way more money on this than we should have so you better use it or else."
Edit: In addition, every company is trying to be the one that's on top when the bubble pops which is only making it bigger and last longer which will only make it worse when it does actually pop. It's a problem they created and are sustaining themselves, and if they back out now it could be just as catastrophic as letting the bubble pop.
They are trying to somehow undo or redo personal computers.
To create a non-transparent tool that replaces the need (and thus social possibility) to have a universal machine.
The difference between thinking robots and computers as we have them is that thinking robots take some place in the social hierarchy, and computers help everyone who has a computer and uses it.
Science fiction usually portrayed artificial humans, not computers, before actually, ahem, seeing the world as it turned out.
It's sort of a social power revolt against intellectual power (well, some kind of it).
Like a tantrum. People who don't like how it really happened still want their deus ex machina, an obedient slave at that, that can take responsibility at that. Their 50 years long shock has receded and they now think they are about to turn this defeat into victory.
I think that's deliberate. There are a few companies which will feel very well when the bubble pops, having the actual audience as their main capital, while their capitalization and technologies are secondary. The rest are just blindly led by short-term profits.
I don’t trust Copilot to make basic suggestions, let alone edits, on an html file.
If they intend to pay me the same amount to work slower and think less, that's their choice and I will be happy to help them out pursuing it. ChatGPT, explain to my boss how I'm using AI for everything I work on now.
They think they can hire less SWE because of it. Though from my experience all benefits it gives are neutralized by mistakes or does. I have to pay more attention to what it produces to find bugs (and they are subtle, and even then successfully sneak them).
I also frequently notice that I actually can produce more concise code for my user case.
And it is plagiarizing (Microsoft apparently provides some legal protection against a lawsuit, but I don't know if that is for everyone).
A while ago I found a bit less popular code and it came with library. I didn't like their implementation so I started writing my own and copilot basically was suggesting the code from the library I tried to rewrite.
AI can only deliver answers based on training code developers manually wrote, so hod do they expect to train AI in the future if there is no more developers writing code by themselves? You train AI on AI-generated code? Sounds like expected enshittification down the line. Inbreeding basically.
Also, small fact is that they invested so much money into AI, that they can't allow it to fail. Such comments never came from people who don't depend on AI adoption.
It's like all those companies who fast tracked their way into profits by ignoring the catastrophic effects they were having on the environment... Down the road.
Later is someone else's problem. Now is when AI-pushers want to make money.
I hate where things have been heading.
same as how it goes on the stock market? they don't care about the long term, but only the short term. what happens on the long term is somebody else's problem, you just have to squeeze out everything, and know when to exit.
they are gambling with our lives. but not with theirs. that's (one of) the problem: they are not fearing their lives.
Guy who runs waning AI service (Copilot, currently being eaten by Claude Code and Qwen Coder) says use his AI service or you’ll be out of a job.
Github Copilot is so god awful. you'd think having access to millions of repos the thing could actually learn something.
It’s still okay for boilerplate but is now woefully behind.
I have it through my work and I don’t even use it, bit when I do it’s asking another provider anyway.
Guess I'm migrating my code to a different service then 🤷♂️
Is his message: “let us scrape your code or go away, and we gonna scrape it anyway” note: scrape = steal
does "embracing AI" means replacing all these execs with it? or is it "too far"?
No, they’re all super special and have an “instinct” that a robot could never have. Of course the same does not go for artists or anyone who does the actual work for these “titans of industry”.
*by “instinct” we, of course, mean survivorship bias based on what is essentially gambling, exploitation, and being too big to fail.
Very insightful for me to read this. If AI in its present state was as useful as it is advertised, it wouldn't need such apocalyptic language.
It's almost exactly the same sales strategy as crypto and nft.
I got out when Microsoft bought it, glad I did. I don't want you training your shitty AI on my shitty code.
TIL Github has a CEO.
Risky talking down to developers. Does the CEO not know that Git is like REALLY easy to move?!
people are so apathetic these days that ceo's feel comfortable publically saying this shit. They know there will be no major user loss.
I like the idea of it; yet you can’t host private repos. I don’t want to be locked in to GitHub but as someone starting their career it’s important to show that you’re working on stuff. Hence I worry that moving away from GitHub will negatively impact my interviewing prospects.
You can with some caveats. It has to be stuff like configs or a project you intend to make FOSS later.
I've never had a job check my GitHub, but I could give Codeberg too.
such an easy choice ......
(edit: I followed up and got out. This too is now self-hosted and codeberg when needed)
Microsoft mouthpiece parrots Microsoft talking point. News at eight.
Message to Github CEO: your job is one thing AI is best at.
Two words: good fucking luck!
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what a piece of shit. par for the course for a ceo though.
I asked an AI to generate me some code yesterday. A simple interface to a REST API with about 6 endpoints.
And the code it made almost worked. A few fixes here and there to methods it pulled out of it's arse, but were close enough to real ones to be an easy fix.
But the REST API it made code for wasn't the one I gave it. Bore no resemblance to it in fact.
People need to realise that MS isn't forcing it's devs to write all code with AI because they want better code. It's because they desperately need training data so they can sell their slop generators to gullible CEOs.
I hate to say it, but this is going to be so much worse than cloud everything when it all comes crashing down.
Because people won't have AI to help them do anything. For some reason I get that's kind of the idea.
Contradictory to the title, this message is not to the developers, developers don't care what github ceo thinks, and they should know it. This might be for the management of other companies to allow using ai or force ai usage.
We will see corporate douche.
Does github copilot include attributions and licenses from projects it copy paste code from or it's just stealing and pretending like nothing happened like all other AI ?
You can always count on the ceos of smaller companies that are owned by larger mega corporations to tell it to ya straight with no bias
Especially when Microsoft said for employees AI is no longer optional.
GitHub is the worst git platform out there, I want version control not fucking Facebook for programming
Anyway,another point for "I'm just gonna make some money in this field nd fuck right off doing something actually useful "
Curious when the last time business insider quoted a labor leader without a CEO or capitalist shill quoted in the same article. A US private equity group Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. (KKR) acquired a majority share in the parent corp in 2020. They're also selling ads for development in the west bank under yad2 https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/germany-media-giant-axel-springer-advertises-israels-illegal-settlements-in-the-west-bank-through-its-classified-ads-website-yad2-incl-co-comment/
Oh I'm already out, but only of your shitty products.
CEO = Marketing with a different title. Trust the words out of their mouths the same.
Well, given git is decentralized and self-hostable.....
Dear all governments:
Ban AI. Completely.
Love,
Intelligent people
That is really short sighted. We all know it is not AI. The marketing is such bullshit.
But we also know that predictive algorithms can be useful. For instance: digitizing a property line, or identifying features in a lidar cloud, or discovering anomalies in blood cells. Then there are prediction tests and what if scenarios.
Seems like this is the same argument people had about computers in general. Ban all computers they said. Who knows maybe this guy in 1968 was right all along. and computers are the problem.
This is the 'not all men' of AI.
We know that there are use cases but with the massive prevalence of LLMs and image generators being forced into everything we don't need to list the exclusions every single time.
They did say completely. Ban it all they said.
Hey moron, computers by themselves aren't oftem dangerously wrong and do not severely impact our environmemt with every brain-dead query. Not to mention horribly violate copyright.
I swear to fuck, every time some horrible technology comes along, there are people like you who compare wanting it thrown away with being a complete luddite. It shows your horrible bias and either blind devotion to mega-corporations or your affiliation with one (or more).
Either way: be silent. AI must be destroyed.
You are proving my point. Thanks.
And while I am thinking about it....people like you make all of this worse. You have no idea what you are talking about, including insulting me over something I was not saying at all. But you keep being a loudmouth and tell people to be silent. I was not defending any of the negatives of using computers, but relating how YES people complained about them all the way back then, and to some degree the argument never changed.
But you have to realize: using algorithyms (again there is no such thing as AI right now) is not the problem. It is marketing, how people use it without a clue, and corporations. Gee we actually have some things in common.
But then you have to be a dick, and then I begin to not give a shit.
How much are you making on GenAI, kid?
Or are you just a lazy student?
Either way, you have no idea how dangerous GenAI is to, well, everything. Our ability to think, work, and our environment. If you argue against that, you're simply either ignorant or malicious. Either way, fuck off and let the adults talk.
When you grow up and become an adult we can talk. You clearly have no idea.
Same thing they said about computers like I said...
Dear intelligent people:
Fuck you
- DJT and the entirety of the Republican party
I see Microsoft don't need developers and those who work there are morons. That's how I read what Github CEO said.
I have a lot of projects, many OSS and some private. I self host forgejo for my private stuff and also have a lot of my oss there.
Still, I currently use GitHub as my main git service, since it's the most polished code forge and their ci servers are free and fast as fuck. The only other thing keeping me there is the network effect in the sense that I like my projects to be more discoverable, not that anyone gives a shit about my code besides a few friends and randos.
If they get annoying, it's trivial to move. I got the infrastructure set up, and forgejo federation is coming.
Way ahead of you, looked for GitHub alternatives such as codeberg ages ago.
I really don't understand CEO's obsession with AI... is it because when they give LLMs a go they feel smart and finally capable of doing the things others could do but they were too dumb to engage with, like reasonably good writing or drawing pictures?
It's the ultimate yes man.
My guess?
anthropomorphism.
People are assigning thought and specifically intent to the replies that they get from ML and LLMs. They don't realize that the model is essentially just an unchecked auto correct that uses the entirety of everything posted on the public Internet as it's basis for what to reply to a prompt, the same way your phone tries to predict what word you want to say next based on what you've typed so far.
It's just a lot bigger and more complex than the auto correct and word prediction that your phone has.
But that's it. That's all it does. It's not thinking. It's not intelligent. It has no intent. It cannot cognitively understand what it's saying or doing.
Taking to "AI" is basically having the average of all Internet content as a basis for the reply. That means it's going to make shit up, tell you to eat glue, and generally fuck around.
But most people seem to assign it human-like traits of reasoning and intent, when there isn't any. CEOs included.
My honest take, it's a bubble. Everyone sees the (seemingly) impressive things people do with AI and ask "why can't you do that?"
It will be their undoing. AIs are primed to replace the most expensive jobs first. I guess, in a way, they are training their replacement.
I already got out in March when github decided to close my account because I didn't want to involve my phone with my github account.
Codeberg has been a much more pleasant experience.
I've always hated GitHub glad to see it finally is going to crumble
Threatening remarks like that are why I learned PHPUnit and XDebug, and yeah it made me become a better developer, but often times these are just empty statements.
AI is just another tool in my toolbox, but it's not everything.
The git site has instructions on how to create your own git server in 30 mins.
It's very easy once you know it's literally just an SSH account.For personal projects or small teams is absolutely fine.
For open source there are lots of GitHub alternatives
Damn, Microsoft rolling out the "Fuck You" hits lately. Allowing hate speech against Transgender people on LinkedIn, and now this shit on Github, not even mentioning the absolute bullshit their Desktop is these days.
Never been a better time to be eying alternatives. Fuck you Github CEO, fuck you LinkedIn, fuck you Microsoft, and fuck you Satya Nadella! 🖕🖕🖕🖕
Don't forget they are committed to assisting Israel commit genocide in Gaza.
I am embracing AI. For better or worse, it's here to stay. The issue with the current AI models is that they are over-hyped. It would just lead to a bubble burst like had happened with dotcom. The full capability of AI will probably improve in ten or fifteen years.
Is it, though? AI has been around to stay for 20 years. The difference really is that a bunch of tech bros are worshiping it while trade rags talk it up.
The previous iterations of LLMs is not even that close enough to be called AI unlike the current ones we have right now. In many years to come, the AI will improve.
There’s plenty of room for improvement in the theory and application of any type of LLM. I think we’re closer to a plateau than people want to admit. The power and water needs scale wildly upward for slight performance increases. We need to go about this wildly differently for it to be sustainable.
If what we have now can be accurately called AI then what we've had for 20+ years could accurately be called AI.
But neither actually should be called that.
I'll agree that it's here to stay, but not so sure it's going to obviously improve. I have had access to various LLMs and while they are useful, they are very obviously limited and have kind of been at that level for a while now. Feel like they've largely gotten as "capable" as the strategy is going to get, and now the game is on to make some things friendlier for LLM consumption to get that capability more usefully available.
At least in the context of coding.
Same, but I still don't find it particularly useful. It does help in the research phase and maybe bootstrapping, but not as much for regular development.
I use it where it makes sense, but it's certainly over-hyped.
Use Codium instead of VS Code. VS Code is fauxpen source.
I refuse to use, or touch, C#, as a matter of principle at this point.
Looks like I’ll get out then.
Ok, we go now
Yeah but where ? What's the ideal replacement for Github ?
For open source stuff, Codeberg is good. For private stuff, just git + ssh is good. Gitlab and Bitbucket are fine for corporate stuff, I guess. An organization could just self-host a Forgejo (or Gitlab) instance as well.
welp I guess time to open a codeberg account
Git out.
Call it the network effect, or the momentum of becoming a staple in the tech community, or whatever; GitHub is here to stay for a while, and the leaders in charge of it are well aware of this.
GitHub has gained enough attention that it is almost impossible to ignore. Projects on GitHub tend to attract a level of engagement (code contributions, issue reports, and feedback) that other code forges do not enjoy.
One unfortunate consequence of this, which I have experienced recently, is when recruiters ask for links to my past work or open-source contributions but refuse to accept links to relevant repositories on GitLab. The number of companies where this occurred was significant enough for me to set up mirror repositories on GitHub.
Another frustrating but silly consequence was when I was questioned during one of the interviews why my activity graph on GitHub was empty: I had simply not enabled it.
The problem is the inter-connection to see everything a single person does and their stats. There should be the possibility for a new (decentralized) system in which you can authenticate all your known repositories, no matter whether they're on GitHub, GitLab, Codeberg, self-hosted Gitea or something entirely different. And there you could have links to all your activity and a graph without being bound to any single service.
That may be a good idea. However, people have had around 25 years of familiarity with all things centralised on the internet and the conveniences associated with it. If anything, we are doubling down on the centralised nature of the internet.
It will take a great amount of time and effort to build a equivalently convenient decentralised alternatives, and to overcome the inertia to migrate to it.
The latter I believe is only possible when something enormously drastic happens. We had a good number of drastic events happen in the last decade (Twitter poisoning, Meta privacy breaches, Reddit shenanigans), but none enough to convince people to move to alternatives.
Another possibility is for regulations and/or governments to support the alternatives, but that may have unintended side effects of its own.
There are some good examples for decentralization. E-Mail is the most obvious and biggest one. And Git itself is also one, because independent projects can be anywhere. But I genuinely understand why people want a centralized place, because it allows to easily search for things, make stats, have an overview on your stuff, etc. I feel like the only true possibility of an alternative is like such a place, a single project that is consistent everywhere and lets people have their entire work, so that it looks centralized, even if it's not.
I agree. Version control might be the ideal domain to pull this off in, or at least it has the most potential.
Thanks for showing your true colors, asshole. I guess the git repositories I have to send potential employers to show the projects that I've done in my spare time might have to go self-hosted.
Replace the CEOs with AI. Hell, replace all executive positions with AI. Think of the savings!
They literally don't do anything other than have meetings and injest executive level reports.
CEOs are unironically the prime candidates for replacing employees with AI, from a direct cost to employ the employee perspective.
I don't give LLM AIs much credit, but they are more intelligent than the average CEO.
Also, LLM AIs, when well-manicured... are generally better at corpospeak and not having massive ego trips than most CEOs.
Probably less likely to intentionally commit crimes as well.
just saying codeberg and forgejo is right there and doesn't have ai rubbish.
I'm a professional developer and have tested AI tools extensively over the last few years as they develop. The economic implications of the advancements made over the last few months are simply impossible to ignore. The tools aren't perfect, and you certainly need to structure their use around their strengths and weaknesses, but assigned to the right tasks they can be 10% or less of the cost with better results. I've yet to have a project where I've used them and they didn't need an experienced engineer to jump in and research an obscure or complex bug, have a dumb architectural choice rejected, or verify if stuff actually works (they like reporting success when they shouldn't), but again the economics; the dev can be doing other stuff 90% of the time.
Don't get me wrong, on the current trajectory this tech would probably lead to deeply terrible socioeconomic outcomes, probably techno neofeudalism, but for an individual developer putting food on the table I don't see it as much of a choice. It's like the industrial revolution again, but for cognitive work.
I can already tell the guy is a huge fan of cheeto prez.
Gargle my balls or get out.
Time to self host this bitch!
Selfhost what? Git? Git is version control software that you can use entirely locally. The only reason Github/Gitlab/etc exists is because people wanted a central repo to work from.
I don't think this is true. People didn't want to host their own. It's a pretty big task that takes time and attention away from other activities. Especially if you want your repo to face the public. Just keeping it secure can be a part-time job.
Perhaps it is becoming more feasible these days.
Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at 😅
It's not a big task, and doesn't take much time. Self hosting is ridiculously easy. There are so many easily deployable containerized git hosting images ready to roll.
Just in case if you're on drugs, https://forgejo.org/
I know you can selfhost git repo software, but
giton its own just controls versioning locally on your machine. Syncing to an external repo is optional.Lmao dude, no one is talking about git on this comment thread. You’re talking to yourself.
…..what?
I still remember when some people said that Microsoft buying GitHub wouldn't be a problem in the future.
CEOs, dude. Some things never change.
Considering AI is just glorified autocomplete, this announcement is hardly a surprise.
Remember when Microsoft first bought it and not long after they decided that all code in the free repositories was fair game for autocomplete suggestions in Microsoft programs?
This is just the next logical step.
The next, next logical step will be stealing publicly accessible code from other repositories "by accident" if everyone leaves.
No u lol
Not using github anyway
I don't think he's wrong in some regards, but only in the 'AI looks somewhat promising in our future'. He didn't need to be condescending about it.
Embrace? With so many devs constantly being laid off, how about NO?
... Ok!
is there any script or tool out there that helps automate the mirroring of GH repos to Codeberg (or another forge)? I have 150+ repos, most are archived or outdated, but if I'm migrating I'd like to do with everything.
update:
bummer; I might need to host forgejo
https://www.rahuljuliato.com/posts/github_to_codeberg has some instructions on how to do a bulk migration using LionyxML's script. https://codeberg.org/LionyxML/migrate-github-to-codeberg
Honestly,I just picked the 10 most used ones, mirrored them for a while, and called it a day. I believe there is processes out there but you may run into Github API restrictions if you do it all at the same time (and/or without a specific token).
Why do all these idiots behave as if they knew where the future is?
If it's about all the achievements they've read about and seen in games like Civilization, real-life doesn't quite look like that. Though in some sense these games, though good, have kinda simplified and made degenerate the understanding of the progress by many people. Similarly to what Soviet school program did, but in a more persuasive and pleasant way.
There's no tech tree. There's been plenty of attempts at any breakthrough before it actually happened. Suppose this "AI" is to some real future AGI what Leonardo's machines were to Wright brothers' machines, even in that case there's no hurry to embrace it.
If he thinks he's looking at a 90% achieved tech tree point with powerful perks, then his profession should probably be that of a janitor. Same day schedule, same places to mop up, you know.
So many people completely miss the mark when it comes to AI and coding. It's great for code reviews on code you wrote yourself, and it can be handy when you're developing code for a domain you don't have much experience in.
What it is not good for is writing code on its own. Not if you want your code to be efficient, or performant, work correctly, or even compile.
You missed 'secure' out of that list. Vibe coding is tantamount to communism, the way that everyone who uses it ends up publicly owned.
OK, cya.
So, I use Github to host some very simple projects, such as my world map running with Leaflet.
Is there another place that would let me easily and freely do this?
Codeberg apparently
Cheers, I'll check it out.
Yuo can also self host with https://forgejo.org/ should you wish. Thats where I mirror everything I do nowadays.
Same tech.
Same, i need to find a new place as I use it as basically a free HTML blog and tracker for my table top games.
gitlab
Thanks, I'll give that a look!
=D
So glad I'm a giant fuck up and went to school for coding but never did anything with it, at least I don't have to deal with finding a new job now because fuck all this AI shit.
If your job involves any analysis, you're next. Once they work out the remaining robotic kinks, labor intensive jobs are cooked. You will not escape.
Oh I'm quite aware of that I just bought some time, my other hobbies being music, video art and graphics design all of which AI has already taken a giant shit all over.
Cue the calls for us to man up and pull ourselves up by the bootstraps.
Booooooooooo
(bring the pitchforks straight to my door)
He's kinda right. You would be a fool not to use AI now and again. No, I do NOT mean vibe coding, that's a fucking joke. ChatGPT (only one I've used) got me around a couple of sticky points when I was last scripting with PowerShell.
If you're stuck on a thing, why not see what an LLM will spit out? Last time I tried that it came with a non-working script, of course, but I picked some useful bits out and wrapped up quickly. Learned a new path I hadn't known or considered! From what I gathered reading Slack, our devs were using it in that manner. Nobody was dumb enough to trust the output, but again, AI can often get you over a hump.
All these stories we see about AI making coding take longer are about dipshits that lean on it too hard without actually knowing what they're doing, or naively trusting the output, or heaven-for-fucking-fend, both.
Yes, you still have to be able to actually write code. No, it won't replace developers. However, if AI can speed up a devs work, and it looks like it can, we'll need fewer devs.
A few years ago, there was potential for dirty looks coming your way if you suggested that you may be using AI for generating code. Soon, it’s going to be frowned upon to boast that you don’t use AI tools (because you’re probably wasting time).
I got stuck today in a part of my workplace where they have one of the local shitty radio stations playing, couldn't have my headphones in as people kept coming up and talking to me, and a shitty pop music mashup plays and it struck me, this is AI.
To clarify there is some shitty artist who gets the credit, but its just a selection of clips crossfaded and slightly processed into each other to make a new "song" out of a dozen pop songs. No actual creativity, no new material, just a quasi algorithmic blending of songs so that some soulless talentless grifter can claim they are an artist.
It gets deeper though, as mixed in there are songs that couldn't actually be performed live and acoustic due to the amount of sound engineering and vocal processing that went into the original versions of these songs.
The whole thing is turning into an Ouroboros, they have worked out how to make perfectly bland, meaningless music and now the snake is eating its tail as the industry consumes that slop to manufacture more slop.
Yet deeper, why does this beige bullshit get air time... Why its our old friend capitalist market forces, no one passionate about music wants to make this shit, its the people who want the fame and money and view music as the means to that end.
We know that AI makes people dumber, we know that it leads to the atrophy of skill and talent, and we know the only motivation for its use is capitalist. AI is pop music.
For what its worth I used italics on AI as I categorically refuse to believe this garbage is actually artificial intelligence. I am reasonably certain that actual artificial intelligence is the next fusion power, it's going to be "only a few years away" from being viable until well after I die, but its just too good a marketing term to leave it alone while we make do with these stunted chinese rooms.
Wow that rant blew up.
Your point about music is a great analogy. Basically:
See I also think that there is something to be said about how there's people still out there making new music, performing it, recording. But business has captured the market and is drowning out the smaller players. The signal to noise ratio gets so skewed that even if the best song you never heard is only a web search away you may never listen to it because your streaming service will never play it. But the soulless corporate remix of a remix of a cover of a song from the 80s, you hear that 4 times a day because they have a marketing budget and algorithmic influence.
Ironically ew music has never been more accessible, but few people take advantage because of the noise we have to wade through.
Yep, autotune rappers have been pushed for years, and I always suspected it's to make the transition to AI music easier.
Tell me you've never written a song without telling me you've never written a song...
Maybe I am misreading your comment here, but I am going to take it on face value, I have never written a song. In an interesting note I believe cutting pages out of a bunch of books and sticking them together in a new binding wouldn't make a compelling read, I also have never written a novel.
I seriously respect people who can write songs, I would imagine they have or had passion for the art. I seriously doubt any song writer is out there thinking "Holy fuck this song is amazing, I really hope some shithead producer crops the chorus and mashes it together with a bunch of other tracks to make it completely meaningless. That would make it perfect.'
Ahh down votes in lieu of a substantive argument. Love it. If there wasn't a thread to pull on in all that word salad that would unravel the tapestry do you think maybe there's something to my take on this matter?
Anyway, don't care, this isn't Reddit so a downvote doesn't mean shit, and you at least read some of my post. To quote a somewhat famous Doctor "Don't you think she looks tired?"
I remember when the barrier to entry as a software developer was the cost of tools like compilers. You had to rely on your school or employer to provide them. Most often, people pirated them. With current AI, pirating is not an option.
In the US, everyone is much more prosperous than they were 50 years ago. They don't blink about paying $50/month for a personal phone plan. They pay for multiple streaming plans. They have money coming out their ears. So paying $20-100/month might not discourage a lot of would-be vibe coders. But I don't think this is the case as much in other parts of the world.
Like it or not, agents are shaping up to be important tools. In a world with free IDEs, free forges, free compilers, etc. , the playing field is about to become less level. It's a bit of a momentum check.
Everyone is much more prosperous now than 50 years ago?
In the US? Yes. Absolutely.
I presume you don't live in the US because lol. Living is more expensive than ever before in history but shit like phones and TVs cheap yay?
50 years ago was 1975. Inflation, depend on the month was between 6.9% and 11.8%. (https://cpiinflationcalculator.com/1975-cpi-inflation-united-states/)
A random comparison of costs. (https://www.amerititle.com/2025/02/1975-vs-2025-traveling-back-in-time-to-compare-costs/) Mortgage rates are down from 1975 levels. Another random site (http://www.1970sflashback.com/1975/ECONOMY.asp)
Is everyone better off? No, Homeless people in both years had a hard life.
Does any of this invalidate what you said? Nope. This is for other people.
What happened was everything went up 10x in price.
Wait so you guys choose to sit and code something for a month instead of for a day? I don't have that kinda time and I need to make money fast. What took me a month now takes me a day. AI has reduced my workload by 90%
Fuck manual typing and muscle memory and hundreds of hours infront of a screen. Only 0.43% of the population can write code. I am safe. I will never lose the ability and my services will always be needed.
At the rate that ppl are now developing programs you WILL be left in the dark ages typing everything manually. I have a wife to please and adventures that await.
Which doesn't include you.
You are a highly, highly specialized, but also simultaneously low skilled worker who can only work with a very specific set of services, which are all paygated by vendors, who will immediately jack the fuck up out of their pricing as soon as they are able.
You are delusional.
Even in some hyper dystopia where all coding is outsourced to an AI, all you are is a prompt generator.
Do you think an AI that can write inefficient code... cannot write prompts?
You are a loon.
Learn how to code. It's pretty rewarding.
Ah yes, the noble Caveman Coder, hunched over their keyboard like it’s a slab of stone, grunting at a missing semicolon for the past three hours. Meanwhile, the AI user already built the same app, deployed it, A/B tested it, and had time for a coffee break and existential crisis. But no worries, Caveman insists “real coders solve things manually” as they slowly reinvent the wheel...... square-shaped, of course. Fire bad. IDE scary. AI tool? “Witchcraft! Burn the witch 🧹
I've tried Copilot for a while and played around with Cursor for a bit. I was better and faster without Copilot due to sometimes not paying enough attention of the lines it would generate. This would cause subtle bugs that took a long time to debug. Cursor just produced unmaintainable code-bases that I had no knowledge of, and to make major changes, would be faster for me to just rewrite it from scratch. The act of typing gives me time to think more about what I'm doing or am going to do, while Copilot generations are distracting and break my thought processes. I work best with good LSP tooling and sometimes AI chatbots (mostly just for customized example snippets for libraries or frameworks I'm unfamiliar with; though that has its own problems because the LLMs knowledge is out of date a lot) that don't directly modify my code.
And the vibe coder is also blissfully unaware of all the zero days he/she has also deployed along with his prompted autocomplete output of a program.
Great work! Very efficient!
I'm totally sure said program doesn't also needlessly pull in a gigantic mess of additional libraries, just to use one or two functions from it, I'm sure this is a very compute and memory efficient program.
And I am totally sure this will all work great and be easily reconfigured to keep up with any changing requirements, because we all know software devs always get very concrete, stable, and well defined requirements to work with.