You actually have to be a dumb cunt to hate Skyler, I remember hating her when I first watched BB, because she was the bitch wife messimg with badass Walter, now that I rewatched it as I am older and damn, walter is a proper cunt the whole way through and she is trying navigate a really fucked up situation, I just felt bad for her the whole way through
Nah man, I hated Walter from the get go and still hated Skylar. Basically the only characters I liked ended up in Better Call Saul, outside of Hank and Jessie
Hank was pretty much the only character who wasnt doing anything wrong (or at least for the most part, I havent watched Breaking Bad in a really long time) the entire show
you should rewatch it, Hank is far from a good person.
season 1: he puts away the Janitor for stealing the chemistry supplies because he had a joint, so casual police racism (I know he is DEA)
then he goes and does a lot of extra-lawful activities, tracks a citizen without permission in Gustavo Fring, you and I know he is guilty, but think about if he was just randomly following and bugging the vehicle of another PoC US citizen.
Then he straight up beats up Jessie Pinkman and puts him in a hospital, that is after he tries to break the law again and do an unlawful search on the RV without a Warrant.
It's been a while since I've watched, too, but I remember this part because most people misunderstood her motives for cheating, and I've had to explain it before. Walter had shown her, at this point, how awful he was and he had also made it clear that she was stuck with him, doing whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted, and that he wouldn't leave and she couldn't leave. She was trapped with him. The cheating was a chess-move, a deliberate choice to make him leave, because it was the only way she could make him.
So I’m disagreeing with you here. I think she has reason to believe that her husband is cheating on her at that point and that while not ok behavior, listen she starts the series as stressed as she probably thinks she possibly can get, and then as her husband gets meaner, starts treating their kid worse and in some cases abusively (forcing him to drink alcohol), and then starts behaving in textbook cheater fashion. She snaps and cheats with her boss who shows her kindness and desire. I get it. It’s not good, but if a male protagonist behaved that way he’d be seen as complicated.
Her cheating is a response to when she finds out Walter is putting her family at risk and tries to push him away, you should probably rewatch the series.
Divorce means you possibly get murdered, Walter's a psychopathic drug kingpin working with the cartel who, for all she knows, has probably gotten a lot of people killed already.
Divorce is also usually a long and convoluted process in the US, I assume it is in NM too. At the very least it would have put some eyes on them and made other people (including her DEA AGENT BROTHER) confused and possibly looking for answers as to what happened suddenly, especially right after they just had their 2nd kid and are seemingly happy together despite Walt's cancer diagnosis. At that point she didn't want Walt getting arrested (possibly because that would also completely shake up her own life), she was just waiting for him to die of his terminal illness so it'd all be over soon.
It's always crazy to me when someone suggests that a person stuck in a dangerous relationship just breaks up/divorces/leaves. That's not how it works.
Her divorcing Walt would just be completely illogical and serve no purpose other than introducing a whole lot of new worries and complications in her life. As far as she was concerned, Walt would die of cancer in a few months and that'd be that. She didn't want to bring more risk into it than there already was.
I haven't watched the show in a while but did she file for divorce or not? If not I don't care if she was trying to "force" it or not when she obviously didn't.
I could have just said immature cunt, but those kinda go hand in hand, but kinda good on you come on here and prove my point, so thanks for that.
Nothing more fun then ruining the lives of your Wife, her Sister, your children and getting your Brother-in-law killed, not for money, because he could have made all the money he wanted with gus and got out, no, because of his fucking ego, because he liked it.
Nurse Ratched legit fucked me up, and it's a fictional character! Louise Fletcher was in the elite league that is basically her and Javier Bardem as Anton Chigurh. Incidentally, both got an Oscar for these roles.
Jeffery Dean Morgan as Neegan (sp) in The Walking Dead.
I think his role as the Comedian in The Watchmen was more hatable, at least the character was pretty awful in a grounded way instead of the silly over the top Walking Dead kind of way.
The Comedian was my favorite character from Watchmen. Not because I think he was good, misunderstood, or any kind of role model. I just found him very compelling.
I stopped when he showed up, not because of him as I enjoyed him in other roles, but because it was when two of the last three characters I enjoyed watching were killed off. One character wasn't enough to keep me interested, and it was looking like they were just going to be doing the Governor 2.0 with how much they were playing him up.
He was also great as the Winchester's dad in the early seasons of Supernatural.
The Comedian somewhat repented though. He hated himself for all the evil he'd done. He was awful, but at least he realized how awful he'd been in the past and felt bad about it.
Skylar wasn't even evil or anything. Just a normal good person. Walter was an absolute piece of shit who chose to reject legitimate help and support, and instead do illegal villainous things.
But that's also the mark of a well written show, when you're compelled to take the side of a man making the wrong choices, to walk that line with him. And then be yanked the fuck back by the writers at the end.
"I did it for me. I did it because I was good at it."
The more I hate a character, the more respect and admiration I have for the actor/actress. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with people who can't differentiate between fiction and reality.
Being hateable doesn't mean you're wrong. Obviously Skyler was acting in her family's best interest and walt was a psycho POS but she played such an unlikeable character.
There are plenty of likeable "evil" characters and plenty of unlikeable "good" ones. People act like if you hate Skyler you somehow don't get the show, but no, I understand her character just fine, it's just that she's insufferable about everything.
Regardless, hating the actress for the character is smooth brain shit
I empathized with Skyler more than anyone else on the show. I was constantly asking myself what I would do in her position.
I feel like if someone found her insufferable, it was because you either agreed with Walt or were pissed that her character prevented shenanigans you wanted to see. I'll admit I fell into the latter category in the first season or two but by the end, she rocked. If neither describes you, feel free to explain why you thought she was insufferable
I think she was one of the most realistic and best-written characters in the entire show. I also don't think she got/gets nearly enough hate to even be a part this meme
It's been a long while since I've watched breaking bad, so I cant fully remember the details, but I guess generally she was annoying and I didnt like her personality. The only character of the main two families I liked was Hank.
In the realm of toxic masculinity power fantasies there is no room for a woman who acts kind of like a normal person.
The show was written to make you root for Walt and dislike Skylar because of that, but is she really that unlikeable if you step back and look at her actions and motivations?
Edit: Sorry for being terse and using charged language in this comment.
I'm a fan of Breaking Bad. I wasn't trying to put it down or to say that people disliker Skyler because she's a woman.
Sorry, I should have said that Skyler, the character, did nothing to deserve being disliked. The show was rigged to make you dislike her, in the sense that the storytelling was solely through Walt's eyes, even in scenes he wasn't present for.
But I didn't say that. Vince Gilligan, creator of the show, said it.
I also called it a "power fantasy." The show's pitch was to show a man turning himself from "Mr. Chips to Scarface." It's not a criticism, I loved the show. It took the power fantasy tropes and subverted them frequently. But at its heart that's what it is.
If you're upset that I said that it was about toxic masculinity, then I apologize. That was reductive of me. It explores hegemonic masculinity through the power fantasy trope, and it can be interpreted as either a celebration of or criticism of toxic masculinity depending on how you approach it.
Plenty of more well reasoned people than I could hope to be have written in depth on the subject. Someone even wrote a book in the subject.
If you were reacting to thinking I was putting the show down, which I wasn't intending to do, then my bad. I could have worded it better. I was trying to make the point that it's both intentional to not like Skyler, and also the obvious wrong take to not like her.
My whole point was that her motivations and actions are reasonable and she is mostly in the right (ie she is "good" not evil), but her character's mannerisms are still extremely hate-able.
It's not about acting like a normal person and it's certainly not about being a woman.
I hear what you are saying, and while I don't fully agree that she's inherently unlikable, I understand why you're saying that you find her to be so. I mostly was asking you to question your assumptions on it, and I used some charged up language that wasn't meant as a knock at the show.
To elaborate, what I meant was that the show exaggerates her mannerisms to give Walt motivation rather than to create a fully fleshed out character. She's not a woman, but a symbol of how men have become emasculated by their wives' "wearing the pants" in the family. At least early on she's not much more than a framing device and justification for Walt's decisions.
She grows as a character, and ends up having more agency, but only in the confines of Walt's domination of their lives with his selfishly motivated, and traditionally toxic masculine, choices.
And I don't think you meant it this way, but you can't really easily separate disliking her from being a woman. I don't mean to imply that you dislike her because she's a woman, but that her character's role is to be a controlling wife. It's an inherently gendered character that relies heavily on preconceptions of what a woman should and shouldn't be in a relationship with a man who is a main character in a story.
I think it's telling that she is considered unlikable enough to even warrant discussing in a show where the main character is a multi-murderer monster who destroyed the lives of everyone he loved, and the main villains include nazis, cartels, lawyers and corporate shills.
That, for anyone, she's the most hated character on the show is enough for me to take a minute and question my assumptions on her, at least. So I thought it was worth pushing back on your comment asking you, and others reading, to do the same.
The characters role is to be a controlling spouse. If Walt was gay married to a man who behaved the same way Skyler does, they would be just as frustrating to watch on screen. It's not inherently gendered, you're putting that on it.
She isn't a controlling spouse, she's a controlling housewife in an exaggerated disappointing version of a post-nuclear American family.
The show states over and over again that Walt believes a man provides for his family... a necessarily and pointedly gendered role that is central to his entire character's motivations. Skyler's nagging is framed exactly in relation to his perceived shortcomings with respect to this gendered expectation.
In a gay relationship you don't tend to just mirror straight relationships but the bottom replaces the women, or something. So you can't just conjure Skyler as a dude and make it make any sense as a family.
When there are two or more men coming together, usually they all have their own separate careers and plans for life. There is no template gay relationships have to build off of, and having children is way more difficult and complicated. We have to define everything for ourselves.
None of the tropes that are foundations of Breaking Bad work if you swap the genders of the characters. If walt were a woman nothing she does would make sense to the audience and the treatment from her annoyed husband would be absolute nonsense. Why would he expect her to provide for the family? Why would he expect her to man up? Etc?
Nah, that lacks nuance. People who hate Skylar for just crushing Walt's vibe or being unlikeable are idiots. I have watched the show in its entirety three times, and my opinion on all the characters has evolved - my opinion of Skylar is more negative than it used to be. If you believe that Skylar is just a victim, you are denying her character agency. She is highly intelligent and capable and simultaneously intends to benefit from Walt's actions while being arrogant enough to assume she can control the situation, outsmart the authorities, and get off scott free - much like another main character.
Skylar made certain choices to support Walt because she thought it was in the family's best interest (including hers), then she later reneged on those choices when things didn't turn out like she expected and ultimately forced Walt to take the blame for choices she willingly made. Skylar is as relatable and flawed as she is unlikeable: just like we would in her circumstances, she lacks the courage to do what is necessary to stop Walt and protect herself and her family.
She did not have to support Walt in the first place but instead did so even when given many opportunities to get out of the situation with minimal consequences. She may have paid a price for doing so as time went on (asset seizure if she went to the cops, social ostracization, her kids disliking her, etc), but the consequences were initially fairly trivial - divorce from a criminal who was putting the family at risk, embarrassment, harming her relationship with Marie, etc. And, while Walt obviously was callous/cruel/self-righteous/arrogant/and even evil, maybe - as was the point of his whole character, Skylar chose to support Walt in his criminal enterprise when she didn't have to - going so far as to come up with money laundering ideas, encouraging him to expand his operations to an extent early on, helping him come up with cover stories, etc. and only later turning on Walt when she felt like she could no longer benefit from assisting him and would benefit more by betraying him - going so far as to physically assault him with a knife and threaten to kill him, lying to the police about his treatment of the family and also giving them his location which put his life in further jeopardy while he was trying to get the family to safety since he was being pursued.
In fact, Walt saw a way to use Skylar's betrayal to protect the family and takes the blame for Skylar's actions, goes along with Skylar's lie that he was physically assaulting the family, threatening them with death if they didn't comply, etc. all to take the heat off Skylar for the sake of the family. That doesn't mean Walt is a saint. He should've stopped long before that and did many things that put the family in danger. But, his taking the blame for Skylar's part in the operation shows that she did have a real part in it - he had to lie to say he forced her to be a part of the operation to put her in a better light and get her off the hook.
When Skylar initially began to support Walt, she was not under significant duress. There was a significant degree of duress later, with Walt acting intimidating, Meth Damon coming to "talk" to her at her house, etc. But you could say that just like the situation got away from Walt and was out of control, the same happened for Skylar. She thought she could control things and continue to benefit from Walt's operation to provide a better life for the family. Then, when things got out of control, she flipped on Walt. The difference between Walt and Skylar is that Skylar got dragged into the situation by Walt, but remember, he really did try to keep her out of it. At a certain point, she chose to insert herself into it rather than leave the situation.
People dislike Skylar because she lacks courage. Courage to get out early when she had the chance, courage to report Walt to the police despite having many allies to help her and numerous opportunities, courage to stick to her moral convictions about what Walt was doing, courage to ensure her family's safety before doing things that jeopardized her chances of full custody, courage to tell her kids the truth about Walt, or alternatively courage to stick with Walt since she had committed to doing so and was (at first) a willing accomplice. But, most importantly, the courage to face the consequences for her part in the whole ordeal - except at the very end when it was already too late. She lacks courage and is self-interested, wanting to benefit from Walt's dealings while bearing none of the risk or responsibility for her part in them.
Nope read again, I said alternately for that second bit. You couldn't think both of those at the same time, but thinking them separately is valid. Either she sticks with Walt or not, those are her two possible endings.
I think it's mostly related. People see her behavior as hypocritical. She says she cares about the moral aspect, but never follows through. She says she cares about her family's safety, but doesn't really act consistently with that. And she starts to manage Walt's business (willingly at first) but turns on him even when it might put the family in danger (like giving all their money to Ted).
She's inconsistent/hypocritical because she lacks courage and conviction
The Ted situation had to be handled. Like, not handling it was not an option. Isn't trying to handle it, then, to keep the family's secrets out of the IRS's eyes, an example of her acting in the interest of the family's safety? Are there different examples of her being callous and reckless?
That's fair, I didn't put much thought into my response. I never said she was callous or reckless, though. The main thing is that she acted hypocritically and in a way that is inconsistent with her stated values. I think that's a big reason she is disliked other than just being an "unlikeable" character
I want to add that an annoying character can act morally totally OK but still be disliked. That is because the annoyance is real and their actions and their consequences are not.
You could have a saintly character that always does the "right thing" but if they have an obnoxiously annoying way of speaking (extrem high pitch, extremely slow or fast or something) I would still dislike them.
That is because I actually get annoyed watching the character while I do not react that harshly even to a drug kingpin as the consequences of their action is fictional.
I have that kind of feeling of annoyance for skyler. I really do get annoyed at her controlling and arrogant way to handle things as it reminds me of real people. I do believe that this was intentional to make her unlikeable on first glance.
No matter how moral or "normal" her choices are the consequences are still fictional while my annoyance is real.
Edit: irl the situation is of course reversed. The consequences are real and the annoyance temporary.
David Tennant's performance in Jessica Jones stuck with me for a while. It took a while for me not to assume his characters would be evil after that, and I was already familiar with his run as The Doctor.
Funnily enough, he's also a good psychopath in Harry Potter, but he hardly has any screen time. He has impressive range of being able to easily portray the most good characters and the most vile.
I've never heard of any of these people although the one on the top left looks vaguely familiar from game of thrones(?) like he was a pedantic pansy pathetic king or something? I don't know. I never really watched it.
Oh gosh yeah if I was the wife of someone who became involved in criminal activity, I'd probably become a wretched unlikeable woman too. I never saw that show either but I can imagine from context here what her personality may have been like as Walter White's wife.
A lot of her behavior was understandable in the show, given what Walt was becoming, but she cheated on her husband who was dying of cancer with her boss, and then kept working with him. That's pretty inexcusable to me. Later in the show after Walt comes clean about what he's been doing, he shows Skyler the money and tells her he did it for his family. She takes his money that he earned to leave for his wife and kids, and gives it to the boss that she had an affair with. They both become pretty awful people at different points of the show. Their poor kids have their entire lives torn apart by their psychopathic parents.
Walter was always awful, he just finally allowed himself to act on it.
Jessie was a generally good person acting like a bad person, Walt was a bad person acting like a good person. Their facades slowly fall away with each season.
Skyler was not perfect, but she gave her boss the money to avoid an investigation which could lead to Walt getting caught.
Skylar being in this group is low-key insane. She cheated on her narcissistic drug dealing murderous husband. The rest of these folks are murderers or magical torturers.
I didn't even dislike Skyler because of her personality or the things she did, she was a great character, well written and acted. I didn't like the time spent on her b-plot when there were so many much more interesting things going on (in my opinion).
I didn't dislike her at all at first, because I didn't start watching the show until season 4 was airing. While I was binging the first few seasons if a Skyler heavy episode came on when I was super keen to know what was going on with Gus, or whatever, I'd just continue watching the next episode.
But once I got to the point where I was waiting all week for an episode, looking forward to seeing what happens with the cartels, cops, etc., that was when I found myself thinking "fuck, it's a God damned Skyler episode."
Soooo much nicer. She's smarter in the show and doesn't start doing things like molesting her handmaidens. Show Cersei is playing the game. Book Cersei thinks she already won around the time Tommen gets crowned.
There's an old story about Margaret Hamilton (the actress who played the wicked witch in the Wizard of Oz) being slapped by a woman on the street for "being mean to Dorothy". Don't know if it's true though
I guess in movies or tv nowadays they kind of all have to have flaws to seem realistic and not too Dr. Cosby (heh).
So her being flawed wouldn't really be a good way to justify her actions, since the reality should be that they're all human. Not to say that her actions were terrible or the worst of the bunch, but sometimes she just wasn't likeable, and downright cruel other times.
god, Ashur was so well done. There were moments where you could just feel sorry enough for him that it made you hate his actions in response even more. Lemon juice on a paper cut.
I just scrolled quickly and didn't see it but the guy who played Peck ( William Atherton) in Ghostbusters the first one. Evidently he was not well received after the movie, least for awhile. He was a great at playing asshole characters in the 80s.
Jeffrey Dean Morgan?? How could anyone hate the Kentucky fried southerner from Seattle?? I stopped watching "the walking dead" before they got to his part. I started watching "the boys" because I hear he is joining the cast next season.
Give "Rampage" a shot and tell me you don't love that man.
So it's a video game movie, but a video game from the early days of video games, and it was loosely based on bad movies, literally there is no plot to the video game. It's Dwayne "the rock"Johnson playing Dwayne "the rock" Johnson as he always does, there's literally no depth to him or his character. There's a plot that's so rote and uninspired that you will never once be surprised at what comes next. There's jargon of every variety, accents way too far over the top, characters so 1 dimensional that paper would say they're thin.
And it's so damn good. It's "If I don't watch it at least once a year I feel something missing inside of my". You will quote it, you will laugh with it, you will vibe with it. It doesn't set out to redefine anything, but it does "rampage" so perfectly that it's a masterpiece.
It's a 90% movie for me, to 90% of the people I know in my life I would recommend it with confidence that they'll walk away happy with the recommendation. And those who I wouldn't recommend it to, I don't hold a grudge, it's not for everyone, but I also don't watch movies with them.
Related story: I remember the first time I learned of "rampage" the movie, I'm hugely anti-spoiler, I don't watch previews unless I'm probably not going to watch the movie. I don't remember which movie we were seeing in the theater, but we had our popcorn, we were there 5 minutes after the start time, the previews had just started (fuck movie theaters for this, and it's only gotten worse), I've ducked a couple previews already, and then I hear Dwayne Johnson say "George" and see a white gorilla, and I just about drop my popcorn, I turned to my wife and Said "there's no way this is what I think this is, I'm going to watch this whole damn thing, because there's no friggin way they made a movie with this source material". I've already written it off as 'yeah I'm not going to watch this, maybe I'll catch it on streaming'. By the end of the preview (which again, the movie is so damn by the numbers, it doesn't matter if you watch the preview, you know what you're getting from the title itself) not only was I excited, but my wife was "ok, we can watch that in the theater, what is the source material for it?" I explained it as "an early 90s arcade game with Godzilla, King Kong, and a werewolf climbing up buildings and knocking them down, just trying to wreck cities as fast as possible, for absolutely no reason but 'it's fun'". We saw it in the theater when it released, I hadn't watched any more previews for it, we walked away debating to see it a second time, or to just be happy with a day 1 streaming release purchase. I don't think we saw it a second time in the theater, that honorific is very rare (except in the time of movie-pass). Thanks for reliving that little nostalgia trip with me. I hope You've found much success in getting people to watch it, it's so much better than it had any right to be.
And buckle the eff up for the best indescribable experience you've ever had. I hope you walk away questioning if you ever knew how to judge if something was good, and if what you just saw was good, because damn you enjoyed it, but if it's good that means so much other shit might be good, but there's no way anything set up to be that shitty could ever be good again... Is it the exception that proves the rule, or does the rule need to be re-defined? But there's no way a Dwayne 'the rock'Johnson led movie could ever be rule defining, that would just be silly...
Anyways report back, even if you hated it! (I'll compensate you for time lost if you didn't enjoy it)
Full Report:
Acquired the movie right after we messaged.
My wife was working on our book and about ten minutes in wound up putting it down and watching it with me. This is notable because I haven't been able to convince her to watch known great movies with me. She will not watch Lord of the Rings and hasn't found the time to watch Edge of Tomorrow with me since release. She gives no fucks about any Godzilla or King Kong movies. This? Well... the moment the gorilla flipped off The Rock, we were in.
She had a hard out at 11 PM due to work, but requested I stop and watch the rest with her tomorrow. What the fuck kind of magic shit is this?
I don't know how to describe it. Maybe it's a bad movie very well told and sold by everyone involved? Everyone was likeable and seemed to be having fun. There were a bunch of solid actors in it we both knew from other things, and (most surprising of all) the comedy actually worked. I'd actually say it was probably one of the best 3 video game movies ever, and I've seen all but 2. I know that may not seem like a lot, but... 14 year old me loved Mortal Kombat at the time, so it's some kind of praise.
The Nick Cage movie "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" (and maybe also Drive Angry) is one of the only other movies in my collection that I consider in this camp. It's not great cinema, but it's a really awesome ride.
You sold it 100% accurately, and I really appreciate it!
My wife says we saw the preview before Jurassic world 2, and it was the best thing that was on the screen that night.
I just had her read this thread and we're watching it again this Friday!
How does it do that? "It's a big arm".
I'm so glad you enjoyed it, it may have just become my life's goal to bring as many people as possible to experience it for themselves. Loved hearing about your (and your wife's) experience!!
Based on our interaction, I've made our new Weekly Thread. You may be able to snag a few more converts... Your post was great and you could always repost it in the thread if you'd care to!
I mean, in the early days of TV sure, I know people in the 50s used to send blankets to an actress because she played a character that was poor and they would throw mud at the actor who played her husband because he was an asshole... But these days? Dang, get over it, they're just doing their job!
I guess, it is kinda a human trait to (mis)associate the character with the person behind it. I get what you're saying, though. But maybe it's also a compliment towards the actors
Ah Stormfront, I gotta admit, they had me fooled with that one. I thought she was going to turn out to be one of the good guys... Then we see her not merely being negligent, but actively destructive with the justification being that the culprit wasn't white and he was in an area with people who weren't white.
Then the internet gets reminded that Stormfront is Nazi Slang and the name of a White Supremacist Forum that's existed forever, meaning it was telegraphed from the start.
Especially since in the original comic, Stormfront is a guy (and does not have a love affair with Homelander) and was made a woman as a commentary on modern media gender bending or race-lifting characters solely for inclusion purposes without really caring about how it effects the work or if it's even appropriate for the circumstances.
I realize that's a divided take and could get me downvotes, so I'll specify that that's acccording to the guy running the show, this is not my personal take, he came out and said "This is why Stormfront is a woman"
Also the imagery of a guy dressed like the American Flag boning a Nazi Chick really says everything about White Nationalism being the courting of Fascism and Conservative ideology.
Actually that whole season had a lot of "Inclusiveness for the sake of inclusiveness" is bad, and done in a surprisingly progressive way. About how a lot of it is shallow, forced, and is more harmful to the groups in questions because such characters serve only to be mascots instead of actually authentic... with how Maeve is bisexual for example, but Vought forces her to pretend to be a lesbian because "Bisexuals are too confusing!" and was forced to only be with girly girls because "Two women both in a masculine role sends the wrong message, there needs to be a clear indicator of which one's the woman in the relationship!11", that DEFINITELY hit and I'm not even in show business or against inclusiveness in media... especially as a pansexual trans woman who's been told she's not allowed to "Pan" because "That's just bi with a colorful descriptor", not allowed to be bi either because "That's not a real thing", and worst of all.. earlier in my transition I ran into a lot of the "Can't you just be gay? Does it really have to THIS far?" that I'm sure TONS of trans babes have ran into.
God I started this just wanting to talk about Stormfront, but... FUCK, I just really love how the political commentary in The Boys is handled and how shockingly relevant and real it all is. It's such a great pile of evidence to the fact that counter-culture is officially not dead and it makes the show such a compellingly scary thriller..
I get chills anytime Homelander is alone with a character, I geniunely never know if the other person is gonna walk out of their alive, even if they're in the main cast. Just... God I gotta finally watch Season 3, that's been on my to do list forever, and with Homelander coming to Mortal Kombat I finally have an excuse
Edit: One last thing, I just wanted to say that what I REALLY love about The Boys that doesn't get enough credit it, is that although it's based on a comic book series that long concluded.... It's based on a TERRIBLE comic book that never had a wide audience. I like that, instead of ruining something good with a shitty remake or reimagining like Big Media always did, they improved something terrible with a wonderful remake or reimagining (Homelander isn't even really evil in the comic, he's just sorta ignorant to how fragile humans are, and isn't a major threat until Black Noir gaslights him into thinking he's going insane and having psychotic blackouts by using fake videos of Homelander doing evil shit, that.. in the show Homelander actually does for realsies)
Anyways, you had some good points there about The Boys show, agreed totally. And I hope whatever external annoyances you've had in your PERSONAL life are long gone <3
Homelander is the main antagonist of The Boys on Amazon Prime, adapted from a pretty mediocre comic book that was just "90's edge for the sake of 90's edge", but unlike the comic, the show is actually great.
Homelander's basically "What if Donald Trump had super powers and the media was covering up every bad and dumb thing he ever did.... Also he knew how to fucking talk and wasn't senile.", and turns out what you get is the scariest motherfucker in all of fiction
Hands down Claes Bang as 'the prick' from the show Bad Sisters. I'm pretty sure I'll have a visceral dislike of any character I see him play in the future.
As someone who got all the way to S14 in Supernatural and didn't watch TWD until maybe about a year or two ago, I think enough time had passed to cleanse my character palate and I see them as two separate people. Especially with so much Javier Bardem in between.
I don't know anything about Richard Kind in real life, whether he's chill or an asshole, or whatever.
But in the TV show Stargate Atlantis, he plays a man named Lucius Lavin (pronounced lovin') who is by far and away the most annoying antagonist to grace the show. He appears in two episodes, named similarly as he basically does the same thing in a different way. Great small time "villain" who has sinister potential, but is just starting out.
Absolutely made me hate the actor, and I refused to watch some things because he was in them.
Incidentally, he surprised me in a few shows as side characters, also annoying.
No idea what he's like for real though, so maybe he is annoying and unlikeable.
Kind is so good at playing that special kind of annoying turd who never crosses the line quite far enough to justify the violence you desperately want to inflict on them.
I suppose I was thinking of actors who are feared or intimidating because of their portrayals. I know I'd be scared of Christopher Lee if I had met him while he was alive. But you're right, I misunderstood the assignment.
Same with john glover, you know the character's gonna be a baddy but it's gonna be thoroughly enjoyable. Especially if he's in a superhero movie/series, scenery shall be devoured.
I don't hate, but I honestly despise everyone of "The Walking Dead" team, regardless of whether they were actors or production team, who were complicit in the emotional violence against their viewers when Neegan brutally murdered protagonists that the audience had grown attached to for seasons.
And I do not object to the killing of the protagonists, if that's what the writers wanted. I object to the way in which it was portrayed, breaking the rules of the genre and the unspoken agreement with an audience that there are different ways in which violence is portrayed depending on context:
The rule that was broken here is that the actual gore happens off-camera and is only implied, maybe the after-effects are shown. Gore on-camera in the zombie genre is only allowed between humans and zombies. Zombies are by definition subject to their instincts, whereas a human killing another human is cold-blooded murder in this scenario, and it is not needed for the story / suspense to show the actual gore - only the lead-up and an aftermath, or maybe an "artists depiction" - like "screen goes blurry" similar to the first murder (OTOH, I knew that one was coming and skipped a few seconds, so maybe I missed something similarly despicable).
The second murder in said scene caught me off-guard and made me (and a lot of other people) quit watching forever. Fuck AMC, fuck the producers, and fuck the cast for exposing me to that snuff shit.
yeah, as I argued, it wasn't the gore per se, but about the emotional violence and disrespect towards the viewers that made me despise the team of that series. Gore is shown in splatter movies (Halloween, Scream, ..), but in those you don't have an emotional build-up to like a character.
Protagonists are killed in thrillers / movies / series that build them up first, but then there's no direct gore. The crossover is what makes the director and everyone complicit a piece of shit.
an example of a extremely well done surprise/twist.
By committing a non-punishable act of abuse against the audience? I don't think so. What this was to the regular viewers was what it would be to expose kids to whatever PG-18 content in the middle of their favorite animated cartoon.
I think the connection to the cast that the viewers had at that point was exactly what made the scene so impactful. Many other deaths that seemed just as brutal didn't hit as hard, and aren't even mentioned whenever the topic comes up. The implied death before then with the "Never mind, he's still alive!" was really where I felt insulted, and might've been another reason for his death to feel more real when it actually happened so vulgarly.
Taking it out on the whole team seems a bit much, though.
I think the connection to the cast that the viewers had at that point was exactly what made the scene so impactful.
It would have had the exact same type of storytelling impact (obviously not that of disgust) to show the bat swing, show the shocked looks, but cut away for the gore.
Taking it out on the whole team seems a bit much, though.
It's not like I can do anything about it. They're not likely to care that I consider them despicable human beings.
Not necessarily, since we'd already thought he died once before, so it might've even been confusing and some people would've been saying he might still be alive and might come back again. The gore of it drives it home in the most unmistakeable way, which is what really makes all the risks realistic from then on.
Remember, the whole point is the real monsters are the people, not the zombies.
I disagree. I despise everyone involved for not distancing themselves in public from that torture porn. If they didn't know it before, they did afterwards & chose to roll with it.
Get over yourself dude. You can argue over whether it not a piece of media is bad or unwarranted or not, but to feel such hatred for an entire crew of people for just doing their job is a really out of touch response. I personally think Goblin Slayer is a fucked up piece of media that should never have been released as a normal piece of anime, but I'm not going to hold a vendetta against the animators for earning a paycheque
My biggest issue was the fake-out death just before the actual death. The show had been going downhill for a while, and it just felt like they were going for shock instead of storytelling at that point. Fake a characters death, then suddenly they're alive, and then they're murdered. It just feels like they ran out of good ways to make the show interesting.
There was no way in hell Glen should have survived his fakeout death, and then it didnt even matter because they fucking brutally killed him off at the end of the season anyways.... and then waited until the very next season to confirm it... ALL WHILE THE SHOWRUNNER WAS SAYING THE SHOW WAS GOING TO TAKE A HARD LEFT FROM THE COMICS AS OF THIS SEASON, WHEN THE KILL WAS AS LITERAL SHOT FOR SHOT AS YOU CAN GET FROM TRANSITIONING FROM COMIC TO TV SHOW
Thank for posting here! Just a warning that you might get downvoted, we usually don't have that much memes in this community, we'll see how the members receive it.
You actually have to be a dumb cunt to hate Skyler, I remember hating her when I first watched BB, because she was the bitch wife messimg with badass Walter, now that I rewatched it as I am older and damn, walter is a proper cunt the whole way through and she is trying navigate a really fucked up situation, I just felt bad for her the whole way through
Nah man, I hated Walter from the get go and still hated Skylar. Basically the only characters I liked ended up in Better Call Saul, outside of Hank and Jessie
Hank was a douchebag, and it took Jesse a good while to become somewhat of a decent person.
Hank was pretty much the only character who wasnt doing anything wrong (or at least for the most part, I havent watched Breaking Bad in a really long time) the entire show
you should rewatch it, Hank is far from a good person.
season 1: he puts away the Janitor for stealing the chemistry supplies because he had a joint, so casual police racism (I know he is DEA)
then he goes and does a lot of extra-lawful activities, tracks a citizen without permission in Gustavo Fring, you and I know he is guilty, but think about if he was just randomly following and bugging the vehicle of another PoC US citizen.
Then he straight up beats up Jessie Pinkman and puts him in a hospital, that is after he tries to break the law again and do an unlawful search on the RV without a Warrant.
He was borderline abusive to Marie when he was recovering from his shooting
Tbf I think I hated Marie more than anyone else in the show
He's a fed so his whole existence is being wrong
Yeah, she fucks up but like damn give a girl a break her husband got cancer and keeps lying about where he is and what he’s doing.
Her husband becomes a psychopathic mass murderer and drug manufacturer
Yeah, but most people start hating her in season 1/2 where she’s kinda a bitch or when she cheats.
It's been a while since I've watched, too, but I remember this part because most people misunderstood her motives for cheating, and I've had to explain it before. Walter had shown her, at this point, how awful he was and he had also made it clear that she was stuck with him, doing whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted, and that he wouldn't leave and she couldn't leave. She was trapped with him. The cheating was a chess-move, a deliberate choice to make him leave, because it was the only way she could make him.
So I’m disagreeing with you here. I think she has reason to believe that her husband is cheating on her at that point and that while not ok behavior, listen she starts the series as stressed as she probably thinks she possibly can get, and then as her husband gets meaner, starts treating their kid worse and in some cases abusively (forcing him to drink alcohol), and then starts behaving in textbook cheater fashion. She snaps and cheats with her boss who shows her kindness and desire. I get it. It’s not good, but if a male protagonist behaved that way he’d be seen as complicated.
Her cheating is a response to when she finds out Walter is putting her family at risk and tries to push him away, you should probably rewatch the series.
Divorce is the answer.
Divorce means you possibly get murdered, Walter's a psychopathic drug kingpin working with the cartel who, for all she knows, has probably gotten a lot of people killed already.
Divorce is also usually a long and convoluted process in the US, I assume it is in NM too. At the very least it would have put some eyes on them and made other people (including her DEA AGENT BROTHER) confused and possibly looking for answers as to what happened suddenly, especially right after they just had their 2nd kid and are seemingly happy together despite Walt's cancer diagnosis. At that point she didn't want Walt getting arrested (possibly because that would also completely shake up her own life), she was just waiting for him to die of his terminal illness so it'd all be over soon.
It's always crazy to me when someone suggests that a person stuck in a dangerous relationship just breaks up/divorces/leaves. That's not how it works.
Her divorcing Walt would just be completely illogical and serve no purpose other than introducing a whole lot of new worries and complications in her life. As far as she was concerned, Walt would die of cancer in a few months and that'd be that. She didn't want to bring more risk into it than there already was.
If she was so worried about divorce what about cheating which is way worse?
I mostly dislike here because he is annoying not because she cheated.
what do you think she was trying to force?
Force?
I haven't watched the show in a while but did she file for divorce or not? If not I don't care if she was trying to "force" it or not when she obviously didn't.
Bro! Spoilers!!
breaking bad ended over a decade ago...
Did I really need to include the /s on that one? It's old AND everyone knows that's the point of the show. Figured the sarcasm would be obvious
you dont have to be a dumb cunt to hate skyler, she is there to disrupt the part of the show that is the most fun to see (walt's rise to kingpin)
like no shit people are going to hate that
I could have just said immature cunt, but those kinda go hand in hand, but kinda good on you come on here and prove my point, so thanks for that.
Nothing more fun then ruining the lives of your Wife, her Sister, your children and getting your Brother-in-law killed, not for money, because he could have made all the money he wanted with gus and got out, no, because of his fucking ego, because he liked it.
i didnt say it was fun watching him ruin his family, i said it was fun watching him rise in the criminal underworld
can't separate one from the other, and you also said you disliked her because she was standing in the way of that..
The entire reason I couldn't get through the show the first time I tried to watch it was because I despised ALL the characters.
It was years before I was able to get through the first season and on to the rest of the show which was amazing.
Kai Winn
And Nurse Ratched! Louise Fletcher is the best at being the worst.
I was gonna mention this character as well! I was really surprised that Louise Fletcher wasn't in the photo.
Nurse Ratched legit fucked me up, and it's a fictional character! Louise Fletcher was in the elite league that is basically her and Javier Bardem as Anton Chigurh. Incidentally, both got an Oscar for these roles.
Grammy Gallagher on Shameless (US) too!
I was having a good day, and then you uttered her name -_-
Kai winn and nurse ratched, if you ain't on louise fletchers level you just playing
We don't speak of the unspeakable in this sub mister.
I never hated Skylar, but I get why she's in the meme. Anna Gunn does severe so damn well.
I also don't mind Dolores Umbridge's actress because I hated her in the book far, far more.
Jack Gleeson should come back and give it a shot again. And I can't tell who the other one is.
Jeffery Dean Morgan as Neegan (sp) in The Walking Dead.
I think his role as the Comedian in The Watchmen was more hatable, at least the character was pretty awful in a grounded way instead of the silly over the top Walking Dead kind of way.
He was contemptible as Neegan. Very well played.
Good-looking bad people are always liked no matter how badly behaved their characters are.
The Comedian was my favorite character from Watchmen. Not because I think he was good, misunderstood, or any kind of role model. I just found him very compelling.
That movie is so fucking good and Jeffrey Dean Morgan absolutely killed it as the comedian.
I never watched that show, thank you.
I stopped when he showed up, not because of him as I enjoyed him in other roles, but because it was when two of the last three characters I enjoyed watching were killed off. One character wasn't enough to keep me interested, and it was looking like they were just going to be doing the Governor 2.0 with how much they were playing him up.
He was also great as the Winchester's dad in the early seasons of Supernatural.
The Comedian somewhat repented though. He hated himself for all the evil he'd done. He was awful, but at least he realized how awful he'd been in the past and felt bad about it.
Skylar wasn't even evil or anything. Just a normal good person. Walter was an absolute piece of shit who chose to reject legitimate help and support, and instead do illegal villainous things.
But that's also the mark of a well written show, when you're compelled to take the side of a man making the wrong choices, to walk that line with him. And then be yanked the fuck back by the writers at the end.
"I did it for me. I did it because I was good at it."
Masterful.
Do good people fuck Bob?
Jack Gleeson is acting again. I saw him pop up in the last season of Sex Education in a small role.
The more I hate a character, the more respect and admiration I have for the actor/actress. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with people who can't differentiate between fiction and reality.
Look around. People are idiots.
People that hate Skylar are idiots. If they hate the actress, they're even worse.
Being hateable doesn't mean you're wrong. Obviously Skyler was acting in her family's best interest and walt was a psycho POS but she played such an unlikeable character.
There are plenty of likeable "evil" characters and plenty of unlikeable "good" ones. People act like if you hate Skyler you somehow don't get the show, but no, I understand her character just fine, it's just that she's insufferable about everything.
Regardless, hating the actress for the character is smooth brain shit
I empathized with Skyler more than anyone else on the show. I was constantly asking myself what I would do in her position.
I feel like if someone found her insufferable, it was because you either agreed with Walt or were pissed that her character prevented shenanigans you wanted to see. I'll admit I fell into the latter category in the first season or two but by the end, she rocked. If neither describes you, feel free to explain why you thought she was insufferable
I think she was one of the most realistic and best-written characters in the entire show. I also don't think she got/gets nearly enough hate to even be a part this meme
Shit isnt black and white like that. Disliking Skylar does NOT mean you like or agree with Walt. I hated both characters
I didn't imply it was black and white. Why did you hate her?
It's been a long while since I've watched breaking bad, so I cant fully remember the details, but I guess generally she was annoying and I didnt like her personality. The only character of the main two families I liked was Hank.
In the realm of toxic masculinity power fantasies there is no room for a woman who acts kind of like a normal person.
The show was written to make you root for Walt and dislike Skylar because of that, but is she really that unlikeable if you step back and look at her actions and motivations?
Edit: Sorry for being terse and using charged language in this comment.
I'm a fan of Breaking Bad. I wasn't trying to put it down or to say that people disliker Skyler because she's a woman.
Upthread I clarified things a bit, hopefully.
This the kind of surface level interpretation that makes me question people's ability to reason.
Edit: I was being harsh, ignore me lol
Sorry, I should have said that Skyler, the character, did nothing to deserve being disliked. The show was rigged to make you dislike her, in the sense that the storytelling was solely through Walt's eyes, even in scenes he wasn't present for.
But I didn't say that. Vince Gilligan, creator of the show, said it.
https://www.indiewire.com/features/general/breaking-bad-vince-gilligan-skyler-white-sexist-backlash-1234754425/
I also called it a "power fantasy." The show's pitch was to show a man turning himself from "Mr. Chips to Scarface." It's not a criticism, I loved the show. It took the power fantasy tropes and subverted them frequently. But at its heart that's what it is.
If you're upset that I said that it was about toxic masculinity, then I apologize. That was reductive of me. It explores hegemonic masculinity through the power fantasy trope, and it can be interpreted as either a celebration of or criticism of toxic masculinity depending on how you approach it.
Plenty of more well reasoned people than I could hope to be have written in depth on the subject. Someone even wrote a book in the subject.
If you were reacting to thinking I was putting the show down, which I wasn't intending to do, then my bad. I could have worded it better. I was trying to make the point that it's both intentional to not like Skyler, and also the obvious wrong take to not like her.
Alright I love this, thank you! And I apologize for reacting strongly
My whole point was that her motivations and actions are reasonable and she is mostly in the right (ie she is "good" not evil), but her character's mannerisms are still extremely hate-able.
It's not about acting like a normal person and it's certainly not about being a woman.
I hear what you are saying, and while I don't fully agree that she's inherently unlikable, I understand why you're saying that you find her to be so. I mostly was asking you to question your assumptions on it, and I used some charged up language that wasn't meant as a knock at the show.
To elaborate, what I meant was that the show exaggerates her mannerisms to give Walt motivation rather than to create a fully fleshed out character. She's not a woman, but a symbol of how men have become emasculated by their wives' "wearing the pants" in the family. At least early on she's not much more than a framing device and justification for Walt's decisions.
She grows as a character, and ends up having more agency, but only in the confines of Walt's domination of their lives with his selfishly motivated, and traditionally toxic masculine, choices.
And I don't think you meant it this way, but you can't really easily separate disliking her from being a woman. I don't mean to imply that you dislike her because she's a woman, but that her character's role is to be a controlling wife. It's an inherently gendered character that relies heavily on preconceptions of what a woman should and shouldn't be in a relationship with a man who is a main character in a story.
I think it's telling that she is considered unlikable enough to even warrant discussing in a show where the main character is a multi-murderer monster who destroyed the lives of everyone he loved, and the main villains include nazis, cartels, lawyers and corporate shills.
That, for anyone, she's the most hated character on the show is enough for me to take a minute and question my assumptions on her, at least. So I thought it was worth pushing back on your comment asking you, and others reading, to do the same.
The characters role is to be a controlling spouse. If Walt was gay married to a man who behaved the same way Skyler does, they would be just as frustrating to watch on screen. It's not inherently gendered, you're putting that on it.
She isn't a controlling spouse, she's a controlling housewife in an exaggerated disappointing version of a post-nuclear American family.
The show states over and over again that Walt believes a man provides for his family... a necessarily and pointedly gendered role that is central to his entire character's motivations. Skyler's nagging is framed exactly in relation to his perceived shortcomings with respect to this gendered expectation.
In a gay relationship you don't tend to just mirror straight relationships but the bottom replaces the women, or something. So you can't just conjure Skyler as a dude and make it make any sense as a family.
When there are two or more men coming together, usually they all have their own separate careers and plans for life. There is no template gay relationships have to build off of, and having children is way more difficult and complicated. We have to define everything for ourselves.
None of the tropes that are foundations of Breaking Bad work if you swap the genders of the characters. If walt were a woman nothing she does would make sense to the audience and the treatment from her annoyed husband would be absolute nonsense. Why would he expect her to provide for the family? Why would he expect her to man up? Etc?
Nah, that lacks nuance. People who hate Skylar for just crushing Walt's vibe or being unlikeable are idiots. I have watched the show in its entirety three times, and my opinion on all the characters has evolved - my opinion of Skylar is more negative than it used to be. If you believe that Skylar is just a victim, you are denying her character agency. She is highly intelligent and capable and simultaneously intends to benefit from Walt's actions while being arrogant enough to assume she can control the situation, outsmart the authorities, and get off scott free - much like another main character.
Skylar made certain choices to support Walt because she thought it was in the family's best interest (including hers), then she later reneged on those choices when things didn't turn out like she expected and ultimately forced Walt to take the blame for choices she willingly made. Skylar is as relatable and flawed as she is unlikeable: just like we would in her circumstances, she lacks the courage to do what is necessary to stop Walt and protect herself and her family.
She did not have to support Walt in the first place but instead did so even when given many opportunities to get out of the situation with minimal consequences. She may have paid a price for doing so as time went on (asset seizure if she went to the cops, social ostracization, her kids disliking her, etc), but the consequences were initially fairly trivial - divorce from a criminal who was putting the family at risk, embarrassment, harming her relationship with Marie, etc. And, while Walt obviously was callous/cruel/self-righteous/arrogant/and even evil, maybe - as was the point of his whole character, Skylar chose to support Walt in his criminal enterprise when she didn't have to - going so far as to come up with money laundering ideas, encouraging him to expand his operations to an extent early on, helping him come up with cover stories, etc. and only later turning on Walt when she felt like she could no longer benefit from assisting him and would benefit more by betraying him - going so far as to physically assault him with a knife and threaten to kill him, lying to the police about his treatment of the family and also giving them his location which put his life in further jeopardy while he was trying to get the family to safety since he was being pursued.
In fact, Walt saw a way to use Skylar's betrayal to protect the family and takes the blame for Skylar's actions, goes along with Skylar's lie that he was physically assaulting the family, threatening them with death if they didn't comply, etc. all to take the heat off Skylar for the sake of the family. That doesn't mean Walt is a saint. He should've stopped long before that and did many things that put the family in danger. But, his taking the blame for Skylar's part in the operation shows that she did have a real part in it - he had to lie to say he forced her to be a part of the operation to put her in a better light and get her off the hook.
When Skylar initially began to support Walt, she was not under significant duress. There was a significant degree of duress later, with Walt acting intimidating, Meth Damon coming to "talk" to her at her house, etc. But you could say that just like the situation got away from Walt and was out of control, the same happened for Skylar. She thought she could control things and continue to benefit from Walt's operation to provide a better life for the family. Then, when things got out of control, she flipped on Walt. The difference between Walt and Skylar is that Skylar got dragged into the situation by Walt, but remember, he really did try to keep her out of it. At a certain point, she chose to insert herself into it rather than leave the situation.
People dislike Skylar because she lacks courage. Courage to get out early when she had the chance, courage to report Walt to the police despite having many allies to help her and numerous opportunities, courage to stick to her moral convictions about what Walt was doing, courage to ensure her family's safety before doing things that jeopardized her chances of full custody, courage to tell her kids the truth about Walt, or alternatively courage to stick with Walt since she had committed to doing so and was (at first) a willing accomplice. But, most importantly, the courage to face the consequences for her part in the whole ordeal - except at the very end when it was already too late. She lacks courage and is self-interested, wanting to benefit from Walt's dealings while bearing none of the risk or responsibility for her part in them.
Meth Damon cracked me up. But this is an amazing essay on Skyler and have me a lot of perspectives I had not considered. Nice job.
How is she criticized for not having courage to report Walt but also not having courage to stick with him?
Nope read again, I said alternately for that second bit. You couldn't think both of those at the same time, but thinking them separately is valid. Either she sticks with Walt or not, those are her two possible endings.
But, these should be different groups of people criticizing her for different reasons then, right?
Like, having courage to report Walt is specifically because reporting Walt is the right thing to do.
And, having courage to stick with him is because of a belief that loyalty (or submissiveness) matters more than one's obligation to the social good.
I think it's mostly related. People see her behavior as hypocritical. She says she cares about the moral aspect, but never follows through. She says she cares about her family's safety, but doesn't really act consistently with that. And she starts to manage Walt's business (willingly at first) but turns on him even when it might put the family in danger (like giving all their money to Ted).
She's inconsistent/hypocritical because she lacks courage and conviction
I am extremely confused by this.
The Ted situation had to be handled. Like, not handling it was not an option. Isn't trying to handle it, then, to keep the family's secrets out of the IRS's eyes, an example of her acting in the interest of the family's safety? Are there different examples of her being callous and reckless?
That's fair, I didn't put much thought into my response. I never said she was callous or reckless, though. The main thing is that she acted hypocritically and in a way that is inconsistent with her stated values. I think that's a big reason she is disliked other than just being an "unlikeable" character
I want to add that an annoying character can act morally totally OK but still be disliked. That is because the annoyance is real and their actions and their consequences are not.
You could have a saintly character that always does the "right thing" but if they have an obnoxiously annoying way of speaking (extrem high pitch, extremely slow or fast or something) I would still dislike them.
That is because I actually get annoyed watching the character while I do not react that harshly even to a drug kingpin as the consequences of their action is fictional.
I have that kind of feeling of annoyance for skyler. I really do get annoyed at her controlling and arrogant way to handle things as it reminds me of real people. I do believe that this was intentional to make her unlikeable on first glance.
No matter how moral or "normal" her choices are the consequences are still fictional while my annoyance is real.
Edit: irl the situation is of course reversed. The consequences are real and the annoyance temporary.
Yeah I'm pretty convinced that people who hate Skylar missed the point of the show. Skylar acted like a normal person would.
Before I watched the show I thought she betrayed Walt last second because of all the hate she was getting. What the hell.
David Tennant's performance in Jessica Jones stuck with me for a while. It took a while for me not to assume his characters would be evil after that, and I was already familiar with his run as The Doctor.
his role in JJ made me realize what a damn good actor he is. I love his evil roles! he played petulant psychopath so well.
Funnily enough, he's also a good psychopath in Harry Potter, but he hardly has any screen time. He has impressive range of being able to easily portray the most good characters and the most vile.
He also played a pretty convincing psychopath in Secret Smile.
He's spectacular at playing psychos and mansluts which is hilarious given he's such a twee little Scottish presbyterian irl
Louise Fletcher is the Goat of making you utterly despise them.
Nurse Ratched.
Kai Winn..
I just ruined a whole bunch of people's days with 2 names.
Well, let me add something to that, just to make the day even worse:
My child
I've never heard of any of these people although the one on the top left looks vaguely familiar from game of thrones(?) like he was a pedantic pansy pathetic king or something? I don't know. I never really watched it.
Yes, King Geoffrey from Game of Thrones. The top right is from Harry Potter, and the bottom right is Walter White's wife, Skyler, from Breaking Bad.
Thank you for breaking it down.
Oh gosh yeah if I was the wife of someone who became involved in criminal activity, I'd probably become a wretched unlikeable woman too. I never saw that show either but I can imagine from context here what her personality may have been like as Walter White's wife.
A lot of her behavior was understandable in the show, given what Walt was becoming, but she cheated on her husband who was dying of cancer with her boss, and then kept working with him. That's pretty inexcusable to me. Later in the show after Walt comes clean about what he's been doing, he shows Skyler the money and tells her he did it for his family. She takes his money that he earned to leave for his wife and kids, and gives it to the boss that she had an affair with. They both become pretty awful people at different points of the show. Their poor kids have their entire lives torn apart by their psychopathic parents.
Walter was always awful, he just finally allowed himself to act on it.
Jessie was a generally good person acting like a bad person, Walt was a bad person acting like a good person. Their facades slowly fall away with each season.
Skyler was not perfect, but she gave her boss the money to avoid an investigation which could lead to Walt getting caught.
She did so without talking to Walt, or exploring other options.
Because he was always weighting her opinion on important topics
It's such a trash take to put Skylar on this list. She reacted reasonably, understandably and went way above what could be expected to protect Walter.
To hate Sky is to misunderstand the entries show.
Misunderstanding an entire show seems to be more common than understanding it.
Jake Lloyd. His performance just makes me hate George Lucas more.
I do let that hate flow through me!
Poor guy, what a sad story his life turned out to be
What happened?
The girl who tried to seduce Jim on The Office has said she gets a ton of hate IRL.
Those same people justify all of Pam's mistakes throughout the series. That whole love story was just Jim being too perfect.
Skylar being in this group is low-key insane. She cheated on her narcissistic drug dealing murderous husband. The rest of these folks are murderers or magical torturers.
I didn't even dislike Skyler because of her personality or the things she did, she was a great character, well written and acted. I didn't like the time spent on her b-plot when there were so many much more interesting things going on (in my opinion).
I didn't dislike her at all at first, because I didn't start watching the show until season 4 was airing. While I was binging the first few seasons if a Skyler heavy episode came on when I was super keen to know what was going on with Gus, or whatever, I'd just continue watching the next episode.
But once I got to the point where I was waiting all week for an episode, looking forward to seeing what happens with the cartels, cops, etc., that was when I found myself thinking "fuck, it's a God damned Skyler episode."
The hatred for her ran deeper than it should have.
But she was a nag, so on the list she goes.
/s
Janice from The Sopranos
Ooh that's a good one.
She's the cousin of John turturro.
She had a one episode guest appearance in What We Do in the Shadows, and killed it.
I hated Laura Linney for her portrayal of Meryl in The Truman Show
People need to get some emotional intelligence.
Remember Nelly? Allison Arngrim
Cersei Lannister - Lena Heady must get just as much of random hate from people as Jack Gleeson does.
Vincent D'Onofrio probably gets a lot of weird interactions from people that saw him in daredevil or Full metal jacket too.
Or the bug in the human skin suit in Men in Black. Or the prosecutor in Law and Order CI.
Dude's got range.
iirc the show was a lot nicer to cersei than the books as well
Soooo much nicer. She's smarter in the show and doesn't start doing things like molesting her handmaidens. Show Cersei is playing the game. Book Cersei thinks she already won around the time Tommen gets crowned.
She's confirmed as much. And right after being a hero in Terminator and River or something.
There's an old story about Margaret Hamilton (the actress who played the wicked witch in the Wizard of Oz) being slapped by a woman on the street for "being mean to Dorothy". Don't know if it's true though
Which would be pretty ironic because she was apparently the only one of the other actors who was nice to Judy Garland.
Every one of these actors deserves awards. I would shake any of their hands and thank them.
I hate the characters, (except Skylar, she's just a flawed person dealing with fucked up shit.)
I deeply appreciate the skill the actors used to bring up such strong emotions within me.
I guess in movies or tv nowadays they kind of all have to have flaws to seem realistic and not too Dr. Cosby (heh).
So her being flawed wouldn't really be a good way to justify her actions, since the reality should be that they're all human. Not to say that her actions were terrible or the worst of the bunch, but sometimes she just wasn't likeable, and downright cruel other times.
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Hart Bochner because of his character Harry Ellis in DIE HARD.
Paul Reiser because of his character Carter Burke in ALIENS.
Obnoxious douchebag characters were definitely a thing in 80s #movies.
Negan raised some pretty badass kids though. They stopped Armageddon!
That fuck head in Spartacus. Fucking Ashur. I hated his name so much I can't hear that name without getting mad.
Yes I will still watch this if it ever gets made.
https://deadline.com/2023/11/starz-spartacus-house-of-ashur-steven-s-deknight-nick-tarabay-1235598823/#
god, Ashur was so well done. There were moments where you could just feel sorry enough for him that it made you hate his actions in response even more. Lemon juice on a paper cut.
I just scrolled quickly and didn't see it but the guy who played Peck ( William Atherton) in Ghostbusters the first one. Evidently he was not well received after the movie, least for awhile. He was a great at playing asshole characters in the 80s.
I believe Carroll O'Connor (Archie Bunker) used to get people yelling at him for being a bigot.
Does Will Weaton count? Wesley Crusher want supposed to be hated, it just turned out that way and Weaton took a rasher of shit for that role.
Jeffrey Dean Morgan?? How could anyone hate the Kentucky fried southerner from Seattle?? I stopped watching "the walking dead" before they got to his part. I started watching "the boys" because I hear he is joining the cast next season.
Give "Rampage" a shot and tell me you don't love that man.
Rampage is a way better movie than it has any business being. I talk it up to people all the time and they're always so understandably skeptical.
So it's a video game movie, but a video game from the early days of video games, and it was loosely based on bad movies, literally there is no plot to the video game. It's Dwayne "the rock"Johnson playing Dwayne "the rock" Johnson as he always does, there's literally no depth to him or his character. There's a plot that's so rote and uninspired that you will never once be surprised at what comes next. There's jargon of every variety, accents way too far over the top, characters so 1 dimensional that paper would say they're thin.
And it's so damn good. It's "If I don't watch it at least once a year I feel something missing inside of my". You will quote it, you will laugh with it, you will vibe with it. It doesn't set out to redefine anything, but it does "rampage" so perfectly that it's a masterpiece.
It's a 90% movie for me, to 90% of the people I know in my life I would recommend it with confidence that they'll walk away happy with the recommendation. And those who I wouldn't recommend it to, I don't hold a grudge, it's not for everyone, but I also don't watch movies with them.
Related story: I remember the first time I learned of "rampage" the movie, I'm hugely anti-spoiler, I don't watch previews unless I'm probably not going to watch the movie. I don't remember which movie we were seeing in the theater, but we had our popcorn, we were there 5 minutes after the start time, the previews had just started (fuck movie theaters for this, and it's only gotten worse), I've ducked a couple previews already, and then I hear Dwayne Johnson say "George" and see a white gorilla, and I just about drop my popcorn, I turned to my wife and Said "there's no way this is what I think this is, I'm going to watch this whole damn thing, because there's no friggin way they made a movie with this source material". I've already written it off as 'yeah I'm not going to watch this, maybe I'll catch it on streaming'. By the end of the preview (which again, the movie is so damn by the numbers, it doesn't matter if you watch the preview, you know what you're getting from the title itself) not only was I excited, but my wife was "ok, we can watch that in the theater, what is the source material for it?" I explained it as "an early 90s arcade game with Godzilla, King Kong, and a werewolf climbing up buildings and knocking them down, just trying to wreck cities as fast as possible, for absolutely no reason but 'it's fun'". We saw it in the theater when it released, I hadn't watched any more previews for it, we walked away debating to see it a second time, or to just be happy with a day 1 streaming release purchase. I don't think we saw it a second time in the theater, that honorific is very rare (except in the time of movie-pass). Thanks for reliving that little nostalgia trip with me. I hope You've found much success in getting people to watch it, it's so much better than it had any right to be.
I can't believe that you have just convinced me to watch fucking Rampage.
Please report back!
And buckle the eff up for the best indescribable experience you've ever had. I hope you walk away questioning if you ever knew how to judge if something was good, and if what you just saw was good, because damn you enjoyed it, but if it's good that means so much other shit might be good, but there's no way anything set up to be that shitty could ever be good again... Is it the exception that proves the rule, or does the rule need to be re-defined? But there's no way a Dwayne 'the rock'Johnson led movie could ever be rule defining, that would just be silly...
Anyways report back, even if you hated it! (I'll compensate you for time lost if you didn't enjoy it)
Full Report: Acquired the movie right after we messaged.
My wife was working on our book and about ten minutes in wound up putting it down and watching it with me. This is notable because I haven't been able to convince her to watch known great movies with me. She will not watch Lord of the Rings and hasn't found the time to watch Edge of Tomorrow with me since release. She gives no fucks about any Godzilla or King Kong movies. This? Well... the moment the gorilla flipped off The Rock, we were in.
She had a hard out at 11 PM due to work, but requested I stop and watch the rest with her tomorrow. What the fuck kind of magic shit is this?
I don't know how to describe it. Maybe it's a bad movie very well told and sold by everyone involved? Everyone was likeable and seemed to be having fun. There were a bunch of solid actors in it we both knew from other things, and (most surprising of all) the comedy actually worked. I'd actually say it was probably one of the best 3 video game movies ever, and I've seen all but 2. I know that may not seem like a lot, but... 14 year old me loved Mortal Kombat at the time, so it's some kind of praise.
The Nick Cage movie "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" (and maybe also Drive Angry) is one of the only other movies in my collection that I consider in this camp. It's not great cinema, but it's a really awesome ride.
You sold it 100% accurately, and I really appreciate it!
My wife says we saw the preview before Jurassic world 2, and it was the best thing that was on the screen that night.
I just had her read this thread and we're watching it again this Friday!
How does it do that? "It's a big arm".
I'm so glad you enjoyed it, it may have just become my life's goal to bring as many people as possible to experience it for themselves. Loved hearing about your (and your wife's) experience!!
Just as an FYI, I'm a mod of the sub ![email protected]
Based on our interaction, I've made our new Weekly Thread. You may be able to snag a few more converts... Your post was great and you could always repost it in the thread if you'd care to!
https://lemmy.ca/post/20869108
Surprising that it still happens these days...
I mean, in the early days of TV sure, I know people in the 50s used to send blankets to an actress because she played a character that was poor and they would throw mud at the actor who played her husband because he was an asshole... But these days? Dang, get over it, they're just doing their job!
I guess, it is kinda a human trait to (mis)associate the character with the person behind it. I get what you're saying, though. But maybe it's also a compliment towards the actors
Oh I love the Umbridge actress. She's done a lot if cool stuff.
If you think she's evil as Umbridge you shouldtry the Priest
Sam Rockwell as Wild Bill in the Green Mile. I just can't, that character was awful and he did it soo well!
What about "actors you were actually fuckin scared of because they played the role so well"?
Ben Kingsley in Sexy Beast 😳
The dude who plays Homelander
Yeah he goes there for homelander role too.
Also the woman who plays the nazi chick in The Boys
Ah Stormfront, I gotta admit, they had me fooled with that one. I thought she was going to turn out to be one of the good guys... Then we see her not merely being negligent, but actively destructive with the justification being that the culprit wasn't white and he was in an area with people who weren't white.
Then the internet gets reminded that Stormfront is Nazi Slang and the name of a White Supremacist Forum that's existed forever, meaning it was telegraphed from the start.
Especially since in the original comic, Stormfront is a guy (and does not have a love affair with Homelander) and was made a woman as a commentary on modern media gender bending or race-lifting characters solely for inclusion purposes without really caring about how it effects the work or if it's even appropriate for the circumstances.
I realize that's a divided take and could get me downvotes, so I'll specify that that's acccording to the guy running the show, this is not my personal take, he came out and said "This is why Stormfront is a woman"
Also the imagery of a guy dressed like the American Flag boning a Nazi Chick really says everything about White Nationalism being the courting of Fascism and Conservative ideology.
Actually that whole season had a lot of "Inclusiveness for the sake of inclusiveness" is bad, and done in a surprisingly progressive way. About how a lot of it is shallow, forced, and is more harmful to the groups in questions because such characters serve only to be mascots instead of actually authentic... with how Maeve is bisexual for example, but Vought forces her to pretend to be a lesbian because "Bisexuals are too confusing!" and was forced to only be with girly girls because "Two women both in a masculine role sends the wrong message, there needs to be a clear indicator of which one's the woman in the relationship!11", that DEFINITELY hit and I'm not even in show business or against inclusiveness in media... especially as a pansexual trans woman who's been told she's not allowed to "Pan" because "That's just bi with a colorful descriptor", not allowed to be bi either because "That's not a real thing", and worst of all.. earlier in my transition I ran into a lot of the "Can't you just be gay? Does it really have to THIS far?" that I'm sure TONS of trans babes have ran into.
God I started this just wanting to talk about Stormfront, but... FUCK, I just really love how the political commentary in The Boys is handled and how shockingly relevant and real it all is. It's such a great pile of evidence to the fact that counter-culture is officially not dead and it makes the show such a compellingly scary thriller..
I get chills anytime Homelander is alone with a character, I geniunely never know if the other person is gonna walk out of their alive, even if they're in the main cast. Just... God I gotta finally watch Season 3, that's been on my to do list forever, and with Homelander coming to Mortal Kombat I finally have an excuse
Edit: One last thing, I just wanted to say that what I REALLY love about The Boys that doesn't get enough credit it, is that although it's based on a comic book series that long concluded.... It's based on a TERRIBLE comic book that never had a wide audience. I like that, instead of ruining something good with a shitty remake or reimagining like Big Media always did, they improved something terrible with a wonderful remake or reimagining (Homelander isn't even really evil in the comic, he's just sorta ignorant to how fragile humans are, and isn't a major threat until Black Noir gaslights him into thinking he's going insane and having psychotic blackouts by using fake videos of Homelander doing evil shit, that.. in the show Homelander actually does for realsies)
Nice rant
Anyways, you had some good points there about The Boys show, agreed totally. And I hope whatever external annoyances you've had in your PERSONAL life are long gone <3
Sorry, I searched that and couldn't find anything. What's it from?
Homelander is in The Boys on Amazon Prime. The actor is Antony Starr.
Homelander is the main antagonist of The Boys on Amazon Prime, adapted from a pretty mediocre comic book that was just "90's edge for the sake of 90's edge", but unlike the comic, the show is actually great.
Homelander's basically "What if Donald Trump had super powers and the media was covering up every bad and dumb thing he ever did.... Also he knew how to fucking talk and wasn't senile.", and turns out what you get is the scariest motherfucker in all of fiction
Hands down Claes Bang as 'the prick' from the show Bad Sisters. I'm pretty sure I'll have a visceral dislike of any character I see him play in the future.
Oh yes, he plays such a punchable shithead.
Have you seen his Dracula miniseries?
I liked Joffrey and I say this as someone who did not enjoy GoT as much as the rest of the world seemed to.
Joffery was one of the best castings in the show. Sucks Jack Gleeson got so much hate for the roll he's genuinely a great guy.
Jeffrey Dean Morgan is John Winchester for me
As someone who got all the way to S14 in Supernatural and didn't watch TWD until maybe about a year or two ago, I think enough time had passed to cleanse my character palate and I see them as two separate people. Especially with so much Javier Bardem in between.
I don't know anything about Richard Kind in real life, whether he's chill or an asshole, or whatever.
But in the TV show Stargate Atlantis, he plays a man named Lucius Lavin (pronounced lovin') who is by far and away the most annoying antagonist to grace the show. He appears in two episodes, named similarly as he basically does the same thing in a different way. Great small time "villain" who has sinister potential, but is just starting out.
Absolutely made me hate the actor, and I refused to watch some things because he was in them.
Incidentally, he surprised me in a few shows as side characters, also annoying.
No idea what he's like for real though, so maybe he is annoying and unlikeable.
He was in the original movie Stargate as well. Also Spin City.
Kind is so good at playing that special kind of annoying turd who never crosses the line quite far enough to justify the violence you desperately want to inflict on them.
He's also in a Psych episode as a similar character, he says he "has the gift of gab." I love it everytime haha
Javier Bardem
Christopher Lee
Peter Stormare
John Glover (you might not know him by name, but you see his face and know the character is evil)
Sorry, Christopher Lee?!
He may be known for his villains, but he was definitely loved!
I suppose I was thinking of actors who are feared or intimidating because of their portrayals. I know I'd be scared of Christopher Lee if I had met him while he was alive. But you're right, I misunderstood the assignment.
Same with john glover, you know the character's gonna be a baddy but it's gonna be thoroughly enjoyable. Especially if he's in a superhero movie/series, scenery shall be devoured.
The prophets be with you my child
the original guy for this was the blond guy from karate kid
William Zabka
I don't hate, but I honestly despise everyone of "The Walking Dead" team, regardless of whether they were actors or production team, who were complicit in the emotional violence against their viewers when Neegan brutally murdered protagonists that the audience had grown attached to for seasons.
And I do not object to the killing of the protagonists, if that's what the writers wanted. I object to the way in which it was portrayed, breaking the rules of the genre and the unspoken agreement with an audience that there are different ways in which violence is portrayed depending on context:
The rule that was broken here is that the actual gore happens off-camera and is only implied, maybe the after-effects are shown. Gore on-camera in the zombie genre is only allowed between humans and zombies. Zombies are by definition subject to their instincts, whereas a human killing another human is cold-blooded murder in this scenario, and it is not needed for the story / suspense to show the actual gore - only the lead-up and an aftermath, or maybe an "artists depiction" - like "screen goes blurry" similar to the first murder (OTOH, I knew that one was coming and skipped a few seconds, so maybe I missed something similarly despicable).
The second murder in said scene caught me off-guard and made me (and a lot of other people) quit watching forever. Fuck AMC, fuck the producers, and fuck the cast for exposing me to that snuff shit.
That's when I stopped watching actually. I don't shy away from gore but his last words to Maggie broke me. I can relate to that.
yeah, as I argued, it wasn't the gore per se, but about the emotional violence and disrespect towards the viewers that made me despise the team of that series. Gore is shown in splatter movies (Halloween, Scream, ..), but in those you don't have an emotional build-up to like a character. Protagonists are killed in thrillers / movies / series that build them up first, but then there's no direct gore. The crossover is what makes the director and everyone complicit a piece of shit.
It's hard not to argue that the extreme impact it had on people is actually an example of a extremely well done surprise/twist.
I also pretty much stopped watching after that though lol
By committing a non-punishable act of abuse against the audience? I don't think so. What this was to the regular viewers was what it would be to expose kids to whatever PG-18 content in the middle of their favorite animated cartoon.
I think the connection to the cast that the viewers had at that point was exactly what made the scene so impactful. Many other deaths that seemed just as brutal didn't hit as hard, and aren't even mentioned whenever the topic comes up. The implied death before then with the "Never mind, he's still alive!" was really where I felt insulted, and might've been another reason for his death to feel more real when it actually happened so vulgarly.
Taking it out on the whole team seems a bit much, though.
It would have had the exact same type of storytelling impact (obviously not that of disgust) to show the bat swing, show the shocked looks, but cut away for the gore.
It's not like I can do anything about it. They're not likely to care that I consider them despicable human beings.
Not necessarily, since we'd already thought he died once before, so it might've even been confusing and some people would've been saying he might still be alive and might come back again. The gore of it drives it home in the most unmistakeable way, which is what really makes all the risks realistic from then on.
Remember, the whole point is the real monsters are the people, not the zombies.
Man, the actors had no hand in that, that's purely a writing and directing decision
I disagree. I despise everyone involved for not distancing themselves in public from that torture porn. If they didn't know it before, they did afterwards & chose to roll with it.
Get over yourself dude. You can argue over whether it not a piece of media is bad or unwarranted or not, but to feel such hatred for an entire crew of people for just doing their job is a really out of touch response. I personally think Goblin Slayer is a fucked up piece of media that should never have been released as a normal piece of anime, but I'm not going to hold a vendetta against the animators for earning a paycheque
My biggest issue was the fake-out death just before the actual death. The show had been going downhill for a while, and it just felt like they were going for shock instead of storytelling at that point. Fake a characters death, then suddenly they're alive, and then they're murdered. It just feels like they ran out of good ways to make the show interesting.
There was no way in hell Glen should have survived his fakeout death, and then it didnt even matter because they fucking brutally killed him off at the end of the season anyways.... and then waited until the very next season to confirm it... ALL WHILE THE SHOWRUNNER WAS SAYING THE SHOW WAS GOING TO TAKE A HARD LEFT FROM THE COMICS AS OF THIS SEASON, WHEN THE KILL WAS AS LITERAL SHOT FOR SHOT AS YOU CAN GET FROM TRANSITIONING FROM COMIC TO TV SHOW
I stopped watching at the fake out because I realised I no longer cared.
s07e01, vor every one interested (HeadSmashGore)
I was kind of rooting for him. I understood his emotional damage and the pain he experienced.
Kathy Kinney - Mimi Bobeck
When she shipped him to Asia, she went too far. I really thought he might chop her into pieces.
I'll add the guy who plays hamara in Tokyo vice
You never go full villain.
Yo
Who doesn't love him? He saved the fucking multiverse
Puny God.
Loki are probably my favorite character in MCU lol
Prince... somebody? McGonnagal? Walking Dead dude? Uh...Breaking Bad's wife?
Who are these people?
You got it
King Joffrey (Game of Thrones)
Professor Umbridge (Harry Potter)
Negan (Walking Dead)
Skyler White (Breaking Bad)
Prince mcgonnagal, the walking dead dude. Wife to breaking bad, first of his name.
Hey,
Thank for posting here! Just a warning that you might get downvoted, we usually don't have that much memes in this community, we'll see how the members receive it.
The members have spoken
Indeed, I usually try to avoid to moderate "off-topic" anyway, happy to see that the post got some traction