Which of your favorite creators content quality went downhill very quickly?
Kind of a trend, the amount of youtubers who i had loved but their content became generic after gaining popularity is quite a bit, most drastic one being mrwhosetheboss, his uniqueness went down faster than MH27 MH17
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Not exactly the question, but there's no way I can enjoy Internet Historian now that we know he's a Nazi.
Oh shit. He's a Nazi? Fuuuuck. I thought he was just a plagiarizer.
Unfortunately not:
https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/comments/18dotzf/internet_historian_is_a_nazi/
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but yeah. Sorry for the reddit link but that's where a lot of the info is aggregated.
Wow. Someone over there is defending him being a fan of the Proud Boys guy because he claims the Proud Boys aren't a terrorist group (despite having been declared as such).
He says they're "very extreme right at worst", as if there's some sort of sliding scale on the right wing that eventually gets to "extreme right", "very extreme right", "terrorist organization" just naturally...and he isn't aware they crossed the line years ago.
As if 'very extreme right' (not a thing, they're nazis. The word is nazis) isn't like. Bad. Like apparently that's a respectable position for the simple idea that it is on a 'scale'?
And yes, fully agree. Even if there was a 'scale' (this is debateable) they crossed that line waaaaaaay long ago. Like 2016, maybe even before.
Well fuck
Oh wow did not know this. What a d*ckbag
I’ve never heard of this guy until reading your comment, and I’m glad I never consumed any of his content.
Oh man I thought this guy was a bit sus but no fucking clue he was a literal fucking nazi wtf ☹️
Lots of evidence a d clues that were missed or given the benefit of the doubt. But yeah, it's bad.
Anything in particular? I'm really curious now.
I've got it linked elsewhere in the comments.
Well fuck.
Anyone else I can watch instead?
This sucks. I really liked his content.
I'm right there with ya, bud.
His videos never really clicked on me
Linus Tech Tips.
They were pretty good in the beginning but the drive to create more and more output diminished the quality of the individual vids. Hence, the latest controversy.
To be fair, they dragged their feet on addressing it, sure, but then took massive steps to address it when they did. Top-to-bottom company-wide analysis and restructuring, limiting Linus' role and voice, a complete moratorium on releasing videos while they made plans to slow the release output, and refocusing on quality-control with additional community input. Totally get if you still don't like their videos, but I think they did everything possible to address everyone's concerns.
I actually like the WAN Show podcast more than their videos. I think you get a sense for their genuineness and passion as they discuss current tech news...
Still waiting on the internal investigation results.
Yeah, willing to give them a second chance, but very much want this to be addressed first.
Did Linus ever really apologize for the "we didn't sell the prototype we auctioned it" comment. I only saw him make excuses about miscommunication (blaming the company that lent the prototype). Or apologize to Gamers Nexus for saying they didn't do "real" testing?
I only saw a long corporate speak "we will do better" video.
My guess is: Lips sealed until the investigation concludes (if there is one actually planned/in progress)
Do you mean the one which contained a direct apology?
Linus didn't have a direct apology to the prototype company. He blamed them for his auctioning off their prototype. Saying, [sic] "Sorry, you made a mistake and we didn't follow through correctly." isn't a real apology.
The company responded by sending the email chain to Gamers Nexus to prove their side of the story.
So you didn't watch the video, or pay attention to the part I linked to.
Literally verbatim from that video, followed by some further explanation about what happened.
Is it a sufficient apology? Maybe not. But to say they didn't apologise is completely false.
GN August 14th https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGW3TPytTjc&t=108s breaks story
Linus claims Billet said we could keep it and we didn't sell it we auctioned it.
Linus defends his "we didn't sell it we auctioned it" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cTpTMl8kFY&t=948s by saying its important to get all the details.
However the details, as Linus already knew, was that Billet asked for it back 2 weeks earlier, they lost track of it and sold it.
Linus response August 14th: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cTpTMl8kFY&t=948s claims they offered to pay for it before they were under any pressure
GN August 15th https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3byz3txpso&t3m54s Billet labs shows email chain they didn't receive a response until after GN video was released and LTT was under pressure.
Billets email chain shows that they asked for it back long before it was sold. Linus claims they offered to pay for it before being pressured. Billet labs email chain shows they didn't receive an offer until after GN's videos hit the news.
Which didnt negate the fact that Linus apologized.
Not that it matters, it was a shit thing to do.
Hard to cite sources at the moment, I'm on mobile. From what I remember, both of those things ended up being a little bit overblown.
Prototype company had initially said that they could keep it. There was still a goof, as LTT said they would send it back, but it makes the logistics mix up a little more understandable.
The kinds of testing that the two different channels do are very different. I do think it was disingenuous to say Tech Jesus didn't do real testing. But also, if they were as close as they said they were before this whole thing, he could also have called up Linus and called them on their slapdash bullshit on the phone.
And nothing has been released about that internal investigation. But that wouldn't be the first time they promised to do something and didn't. In this case, it's highly possible investigation is still going on. Once it's finished, they may even be legally barred from making the results public (IANAL). Either way, if it is truly being conducted by an important 3rd party, they're doing the right thing.
That was the lie that Linus told that got me to stop watching LTT. The company sent Gamers Nexus the email chain where they clearly had been asking for it back and got the run around until it was auctioned. Then Linus had the gall to say, "We didn't sell it, it was auctioned."
LTT is a big company. Mistakes were made. But instead of saying, we screwed up they tried to blame the prototype company when it wasn't their fault at all.
To be fair they did slow down quite a bit lately. I have been watching a lot less so can't really speak to the quality though.
IMO, their quality has improved a noticeable amount.
Well that is good to read! Let us hope they also address the other issues behind the scenes.
It's easy to dunk on LTT but they came back pretty strong after the controversy. It seems like marketing got the shaft and the engineers are way more free to spend time on their stuff.
LTT is one of the only ones that cuts the over spec PSU and Mobo bullshit when doing PC builds, when others are wasting all the budget on non gaming stuff.
Linus is VERY technically informed these days.
I've been building "over spec" since RTX 20XX came out because they keep tripping even platinum PSUs from good brands. I have seen it with 30XX and 40XX GPUs too. This doesn't usually show up in test loads because they have a consistent load, it's the intermittent gaming loads that cause transient spikes. Some new PSUs are built to take the spikes but many are not.
I'll never not overspend on a PSU. I've always looked at it as: every time I turn on my PC there's a chance it'll explode. Why increase that chance to save $100?
Because a more expensive PSU does not mean a better one. The efficiency ratings also don't tell the whole story as power supplies are more complicated than their power efficiency. Use one of the many power supply tier lists to ensure you get a good, reliable PSU. I've seen some very expensive ones be absolutely awful.
More expensive does not mean safer, it can be quite the opposite.
Doesn't help that places like the ltt tier list had PSUs like the entire Evga B3 series which several exploded when tested by tomshardware as BETTER than the N1 series which were crap according to it when that PSU passed jonnygurus testing without issues. Why you wonder? Well because the N1 is an older topology lol.
I've noticed that now PSU reviews have turned into sort of a audiophile nonsense competition where people are only interested in better numbers without knowing what they actually mean and when they matter, last time I watched gamer nexus I cringed very badly when someone in their team mentioned in a vid that a low power factor could cause you stability issues wtf. (that is like saying that a high input lag will cause your pc to crash).
I guess I should clarify what I meant, since you're the second person to point this out to me (no fault to you, I wasn't clear).
I'll always pay for high quality in a PSU, even for non-critical systems. My main PC, home server, and shit box emulator machine on integrated graphics app run the same PSU, only the main PC is a higher wattage.
An old friend bought an RGB PSU in like 2018 despite my best advice. I wonder how it's holding up.. bought the first of my three PSUs two years prior to that and still pushing electrons like new
That's great but you are not decreasing the chance of the PSU exploding by spending more on it.
You're right, the PSU doesn't care how much money I spent on it.
But a shitty $50 no name PSU is probably gonna blow up before the $150 unit from a solid company with a well established history of quality parts
I'm not saying more expensive PSUs are better, I'm saying that better PSUs tend to be more expensive. Obviously that exploding PSU from a few years ago isn't better than a cheaper one simply because it cost more.
Never thought "I buy good stuff i have confidence won't blow up" would be such a controversial take
I've watched them on occasions since the NCIX days, and I don't think they are ever good. And they clickbait too much.
Linus Tech Tips .....
Click baity as heck and most of the content are just ads or have misleading information.
Sabine Hossenfelder, used to love her takes on physics until she fell in the usual expert's trap of believing she can talk equally usefully about things OUTSIDE her expertise.
First trans care, which missed a few important nuances. Then autism, which had a decades-old perspective and was at best "not informative".
Then hoo boy Capitalism where she made a huge tangled MESS confusing and conflating markets with monetary systems and credit, all apparently based off half-remembered textbooks from 1950 using long-disproven historical claims.
A lot of criticism was sent her way. None was acknowledged, or apparently taken to heart. Repeatedly.
From skillfully presenting physics with a "explain it like I'm 5" style, she's now spouting any trending topic in a "explained by a 5 year old" style.
This was such a disappointment, I really liked her explanations of quantum physics.
This, JFC so much this. The trans care thing was a serious blow to my interest in her videos. That capitalism BS. That killed it dead. Didn't finish that video, haven't watched since. Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
To be fair, I think her reputation might still be salvageable. But it would take sincere apologies, earnest corrections, and getting back in her ”lane” of experience. As a physicist she's fine, but not so much as a physician or politician.
Was that before the weekly call from Elon? Idk when I checked out?
After
She's always been a weird nerdy lady, but endearing. Her videos were never professional, a bit tacky, but very informative. But I too dropped her channel because she started talking about nonsense she had no business giving opinions about.
Sounds like something i would like (and can use) will probably check some of her older vidoes
On that topic, Anton Petrov is legit. Daily videos on math, physics, and cosmology. Less frequent but better produced, Sixty Symbols is one of Brady Haran's channels at University of Nottingham.
I also feel she's more and more contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.
Mark Rober.
He got louder, flashier, less techy and more talky and is doing a gazillion reruns of the same general idea over and over. Can't really enjoy it anymore.
Cinema Sins. Used to be 5 minute videos pointing out continuity errors or over-use of something (Iron Man 2 Bird Bonus Round) but then bloated into 20 minutes of nit picky bull crap.
Veritasium. After he put that uncritical commercial for the self driving car company on his feed I couldn’t take any of his content seriously anymore.
It was his video on IQ tests that set off alarm bells for me.
IQ tests are not some method of determining intelligence they are very much linked to relative education/socioeconomic standing. His complete lack of criticism and neutral/positive support of IQ tests make me think he likes the result of his score…
I stopped watching after the "speed of electricity in a wire" video. When I realised a video about something I knew about was bollocks, it made me question every other video that taught me about something I didn't know.
Even if that had been a one off, how would I know? The trust is gone.
What was wrong with that one?
Without getting into it too deeply the way he conflates induction and conductivity just to set up some kind of gotcha.
IIRC, it was way too confusing to be useful as an educational video
Op said it's bollock, not because it's confusing, so i'm curious what went wrong as well. I think Electroboom challenge him as well, but not sure the context and how it went.
Yeah, I would also like to know.
There are a lot of videos that made me question the validity of his "science". While I didn't want to spend time dissecting a specific video but with the videos piling up I decided it would be easier to just not watch him. I don't watch videos to question whether it's bullshit or not, so I ended up watching videos where I don't have to ask that question.
I'll purposely seek out videos covering topics I'm (more) familiar with, from unfamiliar content creators that I might be interested in watching more of. It helps me gauge their accuracy, confidence, and ability to simplify without losing the underlying reasoning.
"Oh and by the way, this is a sponsored video 🤷" and then spends half an hour sucking a company's dick for money
That and the shampoo ad killed my interest in the channel, and ever since then I'm extremely wary of everyone. Kurzgesagt is also up there, for producing propaganda for a billionaire's charity.
God kurzgesagt really bothers me for their “technology will save us” ideology. I get bad vibes.
Guys, all we have to do is trust the technology that Bill Gates stands to profit from! Never mind the fact that Bill Gates funds my videos, just trust him, guys! The future might look bleak, but you don't have to take any action! Ol' Billy already is! Just trust him!!
Yeah, it’s really egregious. I don’t really like their videos because they all feel kind of biased like that… and just a lot of editorializing. To be clear, I’m not above technology getting us out of a jam, but I really don’t think we should expect it… We should really plan with what we know is possible.
what's wrong with Kurzgesagt?
Essentially, they're funded by billionaires, and their videos show it. Here's a couple videos that go into it:
https://youtu.be/HjHMoNGqQTI
https://youtu.be/uCuy1DaQzWI
Their videos about the climate for the last few years essentially boil down to "shit sucks, everything is bad, a lot of people are going to die. But wait, here's an interesting new technology that could save the planet! All we have to do is trust capitalism to make this technology happen, and we'll be saved!"
I'm of the opinion that we should be brutally fucking honest about the climate, and that copium like this only makes people complacent. If we stopped pumping out greenhouse gases right now, we wouldn't avoid 3° of warming. Hundreds of millions of people are going to die as a direct result of anthropogenic climate change, and there is nothing we can do about that. If we get complacent, that number will be in the multiple billions. Cute cartoon birds turning into skeletons does not reflect the horror of climate change.
The Kurzgesagt climate videos explicitly encourage political action to combat climate change. I think they even encourage it as the most important thing an individual can do. They don't push 'let capitalism solve everything' , they push 'vote in green candidates + regulation'.
I saw one of those videos taking them down for receiving Bill Gates money and frankly I think it's a pretty empty hitpiece.
Don't get me wrong, the Gate's foundation does push this 'never question the market' ideology, and any organisation that relies on their funding deserves to be scrutinized to hell and back. But Kurzgesagt does not push this ideology.
' The problem with Kurzgesagt' never found any factual issues with their content, AND the broad message of their videos is ' lobby the government for regulation + here's the technology' . If Gate's Foundation money has caused them to compromise their values, it's not done a good job of it.
Funding is not the same as editorial control, and the amount recieved from the gates foundation is not even a large portion of their income, so it's not like they have much leverage.
Gate's Foundation and similar spend money literally everywhere, so I worry about people writing good orgs off so quickly.
here's a thorough analysis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCuy1DaQzWI
TL;DW: they assume technology will magically "fix" the climate crisis and no big changes to society or the economy are necessary. thus perpetuating and worsening the climate crisis by pretty much telling people "it's gonna be fiiiiine"...when it really won't be "fine".
edit: note, that most of their content is fine, just the climate "solutions" and stuff are...so optimistic as to be misleading. their physics and futurology stuff is fine. also way oversimplified in many cases, but fine.
Whoa, I thought I was alone in disliking Kurzgesagt. What made me unsubscribe was a video that was very clearly sponsored by the game Cyberpunk but didn't mention that anywhere
some recent ones have been interesting, but yeah that ad really was a scummy move
Yeah, the new SAT video was great and i still can’t for the life of me figure how those people managed to think about the problem and realize the options were wrong, really goes to show how intelligent people are always doing things with a very alert mind, even if the problem is very easy
Making a 20 minute advertisement rife with misinformation and having one single statement saying the video is sponsored is bad
Same, never trust any of his videos now so I just don't bother watching.
Oh, what? I don't remember that one. Is it this one? https://youtu.be/yjztvddhZmI
I used to watch iilluminaughtii several years ago, probably because I've been grabbing popcorn and enjoying watching someone dunking on multi-level marketing since, uh, 90s at least. Then I watched some video that was about some topic that I was kind of in middle of a deep dive, too (I can't remember which exactly. Elan School, probably?). And the video was bland as hell. And then I was like "yeah, most of these other videos are kind of forgettable shallow pap too".
...and this year we found out about the whole landlordy corporate town fancier backstabby financial abuser helicopter-CEO situation. And the content mill situation. And the plagiarism thing. Can't forget the plagiarism thing. ...I was like, "oh this all just makes sense now."
Illuminaughtii was getting pushed into my feed so hard right before everything went down that I've started to cast side-eye on anyone that the algorithm starts to push hard.
On the plus side, I found Cruel World Happy Mind because of all the awful stuff Illuminaughtii did to her.
her podcast (which is just the audio of her videos) keeps getting pushed to my Spotify feed. I don't even use Spotify for podcasts nor I even listened to her at all on said platform. She must be spending a pretty penny in that algorithm push
This sounds like a ready made HBO special
AvE. Was cool until pandemic happened, then got extra "conservative". Couldn't watch anymore.
Yea that fucking sucked, used to absolutely love his boltr videos but then he went political 🤦
Shiiiit i remember. His videos were genuinely fun to watch. It started to go down a bit when he kept ranting about plastic pipes, like it's some wort of conspiracy and copper was the best thing ever. Then covid hit and ooooh boy what an absolute wanker.
Yeah, basically unsubbed from AvE over this too.
I can't remember who this was, but there was another engineering YouTuber who, during the pandemic, basically twittered about being frustrated with the lockdowns from business perspective and whingled about being scared talking about his political beliefs because apparently being anything anything right of a model leftist is a crucifiable offence in the bird site, according to him. And how the horse paste actually works. I was like "...oh shit, maybe this dude is a magahatter?"
This one made me really sad.
I loved his videos. I learned a lot from the disassembly videos.
Then he went all Covid denier as soon as the pandemic hit. I couldn't watch it anymore
I could kind of ignore it for a while but then he started dabbling in 9/11 trutherism and I had to nope out. At that point the paranoia and politics were infecting and degrading the actual meat of the content.
I thought AvE was a smart guy who got it.
Then he started praising the trucker convoy for being heroes and it shocked the fuck out of me. It honestly bummed me out.
I told my Dad that I couldn't watch AvE anymore and he said, "Well his content has been shit lately anyway."
Penguinz0. His content was garbage when I discovered him so I just avoided him but one day I got recommended his old commercial parodies and it was pure gold. His videos about Kate cooking were also great too. Nowadays, he's a drama youtuber. He scroll Twitter, read about a random scandal, do the bare minimum research to not sound like a fool and then make a video about it.
I'm on the same boat. But my "what the actual fuck?" moment came when (for those unfamiliar with it) YouTuber Idubbbz came out with a sincere apology for many of his videos that used extremely racist or ableist terms. While aware that his apologies did not automatically translated into being forgiven by the memebers of the groups he insulted, Idubbbz still felt it was important for him to apologize.
And in this situation, Penguinz0 just said that "Idubbbz shouldn't have apologized and it felt like he was exaggerating the whole thing". Way to inject yourself in something that did not involve him at all. Also, that really told me the kind of person Penguinz0 is: someone who dismisses others suffering when it's not his place to do so and someone who just goes off his own gut feelings alone.
The level of self awareness in the idubbz apology blew my mind. I was an edgy teen and grew out of him, and while it took him a bit longer than me, he came around too. Was a weird and cool moment.
Same here. Had the worst bottom feeder energy to it. Just scraping up shit and shitting it out, with the worst possible takes he just takes up all the oxygen in the room. Charlie isn't much better than XQC.
Yeah, penguinz0 is a fine example of someone who is just doing the bare-minimum for the money.
I miss his old gameplay videos. The deadpan monotone voice about extravagant things happening in the game was the best
Marques Brownlee (a.k.a. MKBHD).
A few weeks ago he posted a new episode of his podcast with him and a few others. They talked about Nothing Chats and Sunbird, the iPhone getting RCS and the usual OpenAI drama. At some point Marques mentions the fact that iMessage with RCS will still be "unencrypted". Following that they ponder over why RCS wouldn't have this fabled encryption, such a weird thing that RCS doesn't support encryption from the get-go, and after brainstorming for a bit someone adds the information that it indeed will be encrypted in-transit, but not end-to-end encrypted. And what comes next boggled my mind: Silence ensues. No-one says anything. You only see the faces of four grown-ass tech influencers that are stunlocked and completely unable to process what this neverheard difference between encryption methods might mean. It all just ends with "I've been trying so hard to figure out what that means. I can't." And then.......then they simply move on, not even addressing for a second this knowledge gap and solving it right there on the spot. You can watch it if you want. What hurts the most is that Marques' co-star, David, the guy that looks the most confused, made a 1+ hour history-lesson type video a few months ago about the history of the internet and the importance of HTTPS encryption.
Now, if we're talking about visual quality and overall visual production quality, his videos were insanely enjoyable to watch. I also don't want to shame anyone for not knowing something and I understand that this is in part the consequence of an ever growing company at this point. The channel is still growing and has reached 18 millions subs. Him (and his team) also cover a constantly growing tech sphere, from phones to laptops, from e-vehicles to supercars, from tech politics to tech blunders. But coming from a guy that has been a "tech influencer" on YouTube for 14 years, a guy that over the years had the chance to interview Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, Bill Gates and Sundar Pichai and surely had the chance to surround himself with experts on all sorts of topics, a guy that dedicated entire videos to Nothing Chats, the role of Quantum Computing in encryption or the dangers and potentials of the Metaverse, this kind of shocked me. I just couldn't take him seriously anymore and I hate myself for it. But it's like my grandma not knowing the difference between a normal call and a WhatsApp call, expect that he's been talking about tech for more than a decade.
VSauce. They used to be THE shit years and years ago. Their content now has been... Rather sparce and uninteresting.
I don't mind content that takes a long time. Ahoy and Lemmino are great. But VSauce just became... Feeling like a waste of time.
Seems like they never recovered after the whole YouTube Red exclusive stuff they did. I was glad they came back, but you're right, it just doesn't hit the same.
Their Red exclusive show was such a disappointment, I stopped following them after that
Is that the one where we got to watch his Ayahuasca trip cause of so I almost say it was worth it just for that.
Remember when they had all 3 channels firing on all cylinders? Vsauce for mind blowing science videos, Vsauce2 for awesome shorter format wtf internet widget videos, and Vsauce3 for gaming science stuff. One of the best eras of YT.
I think Vsauce is a lot more grifty than he looks. If you look at the really early videos they were very different and he changed his content wildly in order to find something that makes the most money with the least work. The science education happened to be profitable but as the Meta started favouring more than 10+ min and science vids became mini documentaries he just dropped off and started reviewing science toys and do compilation videos. Right now he is doing a lot of shorts because they are being pushed by the algorithm.
I started watching VSauce well over 10 years ago, so I've experienced how his content changed first-hand. I feel VSauce dropped off when Michael became an internet meme, when VSauce made it "big". They got their own studio, their own merch box, and I thought this was going to be an upgrade to the content between VSauce 1, 2 and 3. But then Michael made that YouTube Red series and that was basically a brick wall.
Only Jake Roper still made some good videos for some time, but that stopped eventually too. Mindblow stopped, Build It, Draw It, Play It stopped. Instead of seeing anything that would justify having a studio and a team to work with we basically got, like you said, Michael reviewing toys from their merch box, and Kevin doing some math philosophy once in a while.
Mindblow is technically back but... it lacks any energy or soul that the original Mindblow had. It's sad...
His side gigs are super grifty. Curiosity box was a straight scam. Two months delayed and full of shifty products that break or fall apart trying to assemble them.
Platform has grown and they just arnt the only game in town.
Vsauce2 is still good and mindblown just recently came back, Kevin basically said on his podcast that the mindblown videos just take too much time to research for something that's presented extremely fast and short, since he's not a tabloid making wildly innacurate reporting on science papers.
idk I didn't like latest Lemmino topics. I'd like seeing a new video on a space mystery
But he already made those in top 10 format. There isn't much "mystery" to talk about without hyping up certain things like science journalism tends to do a lot.
He could make a documentary that goes into deeper details about one of the things he already mentioned in his older top 10 videos...
I didn't watch the top 10 videos because this format doesn't appeal to me. Topics like why there is a universe/anything at all, what is beyond the observable universe, how the universe will end, etc are the greatest mysteries and deserve their own videos.
Top 10 videos aren't typically my thing either. But Lemmino is next level. His top 10 videos are very well informed, and before he started making actual documentaries, only got longer and longer. It got to the point where every entry in a top 10 vid was like a mini documentary on its own.
I just learned that they have Vsauce 2, 3 and 4 but it's not with Michael, so not as good.
Never would have called him a favorite of mine exactly, but a channel I used to watch was Shadiversity. Had some interesting videos on medieval life and castles. These days he seemingly only does "let's test this wacky weapon" videos and has a terrible second channel where he whines about "woke culture".
Tangential fun fact: the guy from "Shadiversity" and the guy from "Drawing with Jazza" are brothers. This is incredibly odd to me because I don't think that they look or act alike at all.
I find that connection hilarious cus Jazza is way more popular and talented with true artistic ability, where shad is an anti-woke dipshit who gets mad at the mario movie and plays with swords.
That's disappointing. I've watched a lot of his videos over the years and didn't even know about a second channel or his beliefs.
Isn't that kind of a good thing?
Some people don't want to financially support creators who on record have said things like homosexuality is wrong and should not be encouraged. Watching youtube videos is financial support.
Has he actually said homosexuality is wrong? This is the first I've ever heard of that.
I understand that, but I also respect creators that keep their main channel focused on its core.
I lost interest after he sang the praises of the Goblin Slayer rape scene. BuT tHe GoBLiNs nEeD tO bE sCaRy! You can "make monsters monstrous" without adding explicit rape scenes to your mid-tier manga.
I actually appreciate that he's taken care to keep the two channels separate, I just didn't bother to subscribe to Knights Watch and so it doesn't bother me.
I guess mileage varies on the "wacky weapons" vs "medieval history" division, though. I like both so I'm fine with them being mixed.
After a certain point, what else can you cover about the medieval period thats interesting, entertaining, understable to a general audience, and can fit in a youtube video?
I still think he needs to collab with Jill Bearup on boob armor, though.
That's fair enough, though I do think there are a ton of interesting medieval topics he still could have covered. I'm the kind of guy who likes watching multi-hour essays on ancient civilizations though, so I might not be "general audience" and he moved pretty much in the opposite direction of what I like to watch. Finding his second channel was what sealed the deal for me though, couldn't take him seriously after that.
Joshua Weissman. He started out super chill, most of his recipes were pretty approachable, the editing wasn't over the top, the b-roll stuff at the end was tasteful.
Now it's like he's catering to a whole different crowd. The editing is over the top and jammed with memes, he's more idk, psychotic isn't quite the right word, but it's way less chill, he's constantly saying stuff like "if you don't use XYZ ingredient then what are you even making this recipe for?", his recipes are more over the top, and he has a much more elitist opinion of himself and his food. The change happened so quickly too, it was kind of shocking.
I have the opposite problem where Youtubers who I watch because I enjoy their unedited, off-the-cuff content keep deciding to put more effort into their channel and start producing videos that are scripted and edited well, which I find way less interesting and watchable than their stream-of-consciousness rambling was. WolfeyVGC is a big one. He theoretically has a second channel for low effort content but he rarely posts to it.
You might like Crime Pays But Botany Doesn't if you like that style of video. It's a crass low brow approach to botany and ecology presented by a Chicago Italian. Been going for years now and has improved his quality but it's still off the cuff rambling.
I second, Crime Pays is a great channel
This is why I love SlowMoGuys, their stuff still feels unscripted.
I can relate to this, i also really enjoy more raw, down to earth, simple content which is very rare these days
CinemaSins. They were always kind of bottom-of-the-barrel, but their early videos pretty much just amounted to narrating the IMDB trivia pages so it was harmless. I went back and checked in on their channel for the first time in 8+ years and holy shit they've gotten bad. Videos running a quarter the length of the movie they're doing with word-salad voice over that doesn't even make sense.
Also: "[female actor] isn't 18 in this scene" was just as fucked up in 2012 as it is in 2023.
I agree, I don’t think that CinemaSins was ever really good, but it definitely got worse over time. His content has been criticized to death and there are some good commentary videos covering the issues with his channel. I will plug CinemaWins as a pretty good “counter” channel. I don’t watch it because I’m not really into that kind of content these days, but the videos that I have seen are worthwhile if you’re looking to fill a similar hole.
Never gets old.
It was kinda funny when I watched their maybe 15 minute takes. They kinda pull stuff out of their asses, intro to long? Sin.
Bon Appétit after the issues at their workplace were raised, they all make some decent content outside the BA brand though. Nice to see Sohla doing so much content too since she wasn't treated the best at BA.
A lot of tech YouTubers (such as Mr whose the boss). Just a hype man reading specs and hyping up shit.
Just look at him speaking about the Huawei Mate 60 pro. What a load of bullshit.
At least we've still got Paul and
NGGN giving honest takesSorry posted when I was sleepy
GN?
Gamer's Nexus
Namer's Gexus
say gex
Probably means Gamers Nexus, a pretty solid PC build/review channel that does some great deep dives. Steve is sometimes jokingly referred to as Tech Jesus, but he's pretty respected in the PC building community.
GN oops, early morning typo
Who?
So far I think I can trust MrMobile to give an honest opinion. When it comes to his channel its not just specs and numbers but real experiences. Quite different from the myriads of other tech channels on YT today.
I agree but something with Mr Mobile has been off for me lately. Less enjoyable and it feels a bit like unintentional shilling or “hey this is cool if you force an interest.” Maybe it’s me and I’m just tired of the genre.
Yeah like the guy is some kind of an actor, right? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah, I forgot when I stopped watching him, maybe take a look at the videos he makes to understand my point. He's very enthusiastic but it's not informative and he gets stuff wrong.
Pretty much every car repair channel starts off good, then quickly changes to fixing exotic cars that nobody can afford.
Scotty has the most clickbait titles. "If you have a car you will REGRET this ONE SIMPLE TRICK and DESTROY YOUR ENGINE" (video is about winter octane stabilizers or something completely mundane)
Check out Garbage Time. It's a channel about an Aussie and his mechanic buddy repairing old, shitty cars. Many of the cars are Australian specific too.
Go check out Aging Wheels if you don't mind old and or silly cars
Donut Media during the 350z hi car/low car thing was really good, but feels like they are just repeating the same content over and over now without getting much useful/interesting info now.
Chris Fix?
Aging Wheels, Rainman Ray's Garage, and Garbage Time are all fantastic channels you should look into.
Sinfest. Used to be a charming and funny daily webcomic about an eclectic cast of colorful characters getting into surreal and philosophical situations. Then one day in 2011 it suddenly swerved hard into radical feminism. I'm not anti-feminist myself, but the comic became obsessed with it -- literally every strip was related to The Patriarchy in some way and it became extremely preachy and boring.
I checked out for the better part of a decade, and when I randomly revisited a couple years ago it turned out that the author had transited the TERF-to-fascist pipeline and turned into an extreme-right antivax conspiratorial fascist loon, of the "teachers are secret pedos" and "the war in Ukraine is a hoax" variety. Super sad to see.
Lock picking lawyer.
Used to be a channel about how locks works, how lock picking works, cool locks and shitty locks.
Now it's just a channel to sell his tools.
Eh, I would have to disagree with this, I have been watching him for a while and as far as I can tell the quality is the same the only difference now days is that he mentions his tools in the videos while picking the locks, so the videos didn't even really get longer.
He’s very much not liked in the lock picking community.
Not only does he push his overpriced tools a lot, most of them are very much not needed. He also puts a lot of focus on specialized car lock picking tools which are expensive at, made for each brand basically, and in a very dubious grey area which is a big no no in that “sport”.
From a purist side there are also a lot of complaints.
Agreed. Before it would be "so I made this tool by filing down this other thing, you can probably make one yourself" to "I used this tool that you can get in my shop, and here's how to pick it with a few standard tools as well..."
Feels like it's mostly because there's not much to talk about anyway, whatever needed to be said has already been said in one of his 1.5k video. I start follow his channel before he established his company, it's mostly the same and it's really just about how he defeat the lock. He sometimes still talk about unique lock he find interesting though.
Yeah, those unique locks are the highlights I remain subscribed for. He used to dismantle locks more often, but at this point it'd just be more of the same if he kept doing that.
Might be a good idea for him to change up his format a bit to make fewer videos but have them be more of a deep dive into whatever locks he's focusing on, maybe do more of the old "now let's see if we can open this with the leg of a Barbie™ doll and half of an M67 fragmentation grenade" stunt videos. I remember he used to get more experimental with his approaches when there was back-and-forth with Bosnian Bill.
I don't agree, his techniques and format are still good and though expensive, the covert instrument sets are some of the finest tools I have. If the guy wants to make a buck and offer a one stop shop for the hobby I don't see the problem.
I guess my only complaint with LPL is seemingly running out of challenging locks, which is more a fault of manufacturers.
I miss Bosnian Bill :-(
Someone who becomes good at something selling goods/services isn't exactly what I would consider offensive. Consider the guy who did Mouse Trap Monday videos who is now selling his trap commercially: do you have any idea how long he spent testing and reviewing traps to reach a point where that was viable? I suspect he spent thousands of hours on this.
Level1Techs sell basically the only DisplayPort KVM worth a damn, that's a pretty great offering to have. They don't bring it up much but it's there.
Apparently not just his tools, either. He's got some partners too, and it started recommending me their videos too. Their stuff is more of the same, advertisements for their store.
I got into lockpicking and now I love Lock Noob. Covert Instruments aren't that good either, I would go with Sparrows if I were to start, if anybody else is interested in getting into the hobby.
This seems to be the prevalent trend with most channels that gain traction. They start focusing more on selling their plushies, clothing, tools, or other shitty branded merchandise, and less on the content that got them there.
Maybe it's because original content creation is hard work. I get that. But holy shit, when they start hawking their stupid merch hard their credibility just goes down the toilet.
If you can't trust a lawyer, who can you trust?
I think he’s been incredibly consistent with his videos and don’t find any of his ads offensive or annoying, even though I’ll never buy something. I guess I disagree that the quality has changed. I do feel I’ve seen most content already though and he’s not doing much to keep interest growing.
I stopped watching when he started covert instruments and immediately realized what every single future video would be like. I was right...
Can't believe he wants to profit from his hobby. What a piece of shit.
Can't believe I don't want to watch advertisements all day
Man picks lock with skill and tools, not allowed to mention he also sells tools? Shit that would knock out so many YouTubers... LawrenceSystems, NetworkChuck, Level1Techs, pretty much anyone who does electronics or home automation...
Less "downhill" and more "dropped into a sinkhole straight to the pits of hell," but Creepshow Art. I thought she was really fun to listen to, and it was interesting hearing tea spilling from a community I'm not privy to. At some point she opened up about a stalker who'd been following her for years, harassing her constantly, trying to get her fired from her job by sending compromising photos from her past to her boss, threatening her life... And then it turns out she was the stalker, and the victim was Emily Artful! She was the psychopath threatening someone's life and trying to get them fired and shit! And I was planning on donating to her patreon!
I didn't see anyone mention streamers. For me that has to be Asmongold. He is now just drama farmer and reacts to videos and reddit all day. I would even say he is slowly turning into another Andrew Tate.
CGP Grey. His last 114 or so videos were literally just a single round of rock paper scissors each.
Kidding. His videos are still great.
H3H3. As soon as they got notoriety for their defamation lawsuit against the cringe pickup artist guy, they abandoned making reaction videos and instead became a trashy podcast.
Louis Rossman.
I enjoyed his board repairs, now he's only rambling.
Rooster Teeth
They have had so many issues back to back that I don't enjoy them anymore. From Ryan coming out to fucking fans when he has a wife, to the underpaid and crunch heavy work they put staff to, and then firing Matt who was one of the most beloved members.
When they sold their company to WB they sold their ethics at the same time.
AAVE. He used to be a cool tool review channel who really got into the nitty gritty of how electric tools worked and what made them quality. Now he's an anti-vax spouting asshole who loves the truckers who blocked the bridge in Canada. Spiraled into the right-wing like a waterslide
Boogie. Not a favorite of mine and hated the Francis stuff, but I used to watch some of his gaming videos. He did his weight loss surgery about the same time as a relative so found that interesting. But good lord it's been a descent since then,all of it self inflicted. Be it saying something stupid, firing a gun within city limits while getting into a pissing match with some other YouTube idiot, or losing his money in crypto. It's hard to imagine someone that's fallen further than him.
Watched the documentary on him last month and then went through his channel and it was embarrassing.
Did you ever happen to visit /r/samandtolki before it was banned? They really gave Boogie hell. They documented lie after lie from the dude. It's sad how much of a pathological liar Boogie is. The worst one I witnessed was him saying people were swating him. Mod of samandtolki did a FOIA request to Boogie's local police department and got camera footage from the officer that visited Boogie's home. Boogie was making a lot of suicide claims and a fan called a wellness check on him. One officer showed up and asked Boogie's roommate some questions. That was it.
The guy has had his struggles in life, but it doesn't excuse his scummy behaviour. He's an arrogant, narcissistic asshole.
Ethan Klein and H3. Before the Israel stuff happened in October, the silliness was enjoyable because it seemed like the guy had an earnest, intellectual curiosity underneath it all.
I dropped off when he stopped making content and switched to the podcast full time. Seems like every 6-18 months Ethan has another controversy where he accidentally lets his mask slip and a whole new group of people find out he's actually an asshole.
What did he ever do? He seems to be the YouTube equivalent of famous for being famous. I've tried watching but it's a lot of nothing talk and seemingly contrived drama with other YouTubers who also talk a tremendously long time about nothing.
He gave a few lukewarm takes but the worst one was probably him sticking with "we gotta get rid of hummus" which is literally impossible because every time the IDF does a genocide tour through Gaza they create three times as much Hamas as they destroy.
He really hammers on the "both sides are bad" when almost everything in the conflict is clearly israel's fault. It's like the teacher punishing both the bully and the bullied kid when the bullied kid fights back.
edit removed a rumor that's most likely untrue from further research
I spent too long trying to figure out what chickpeas did wrong lol
I stopped watching when they stopped doing the prank vids, I was subbed when he did the "it's a ten" vid and all the edits and meme vids, the Vape Naysh.
Possibly controversial but... Hot Ones.
I prefer the older videos with less/no post production effects. I tried watching the interview with Elijah Wood but the fading video overlapping, music, zoom ins/outs, the voice echoing, and I couldn't deal with these stupid transitions. Closed the video and haven't got back since. The channel has one job and that is to make people eat progressively hot wings but the stupid post production effects ruin the video quality and make the whole interview less engaging. COOL IT SEAN!
Their content is good but how it's presented is garbage.
It's may be more subtle and perhaps the quality is still there (IDK bc I unsubbed ages ago), but Babish. There was an uproar when he got sponsored by Hogwarts Legacy, and he had no response / apology to supporting JK and her anti-trans viewpoints.
If it helps, the game itself is very positive about the whole spectrum of human sexuality and treats everything as completely ordinary and it's all represented (trans included), like the Wizarding world has already come out on the other side and everyone is welcome.
I think JK very purposely tried to tarnish it so that less people would play it, she already got her cut from the licensing, so sales don't matter to her.
The game itself is exactly what we want and what she would hate. The company that made the game is someone we should support, they took the world away from her, fixed it, and gave it back to us.
Oh I figured it would be good. I loved HP growing up, well before we knew any of JK's purviews and hatreds. It also does help that majority of the actors involved in the cinematic universe were outspoken against her. It's rather difficult to separate art from the artist at times, but I think I'll probably sail the seas first to test it out, and then determine how best to purchase it without giving her any more cashflow, however meager that is in the grand scheme.
Found a reasonable article of who distanced / defended Joanne's hatred: https://www.pedestrian.tv/entertainment/every-harry-potter-actor-supports-jk-rowling/
That's ignoring both the anti-Semitism and transphobic content.
You'll have to tell me what it is, I was pretty thorough in my playthrough but I must have missed it.
From what I've heard the game is a bland and buggy mess
From what I've played, it's a huge game that they put a ton of work into and got 99% of it right. Honestly way better than the average of even just the top 10 game devs. Hard to fault them on not being the only perfect company.
I miss when Babish posted more. I like the newer chefs, too, and I love anime with Alvin, but I subbed for babish.
I think he stopped because of the strikes? And now is coming back?
No, he's been reduced since announcing Babish Culinary Universe.
I still watch a Babish here and there, he pioneered foodtube but his content was very formulaic and I sort of just got bored of it. I'd rather watch Food Wishes or other cooking channels with stuff I'd actually make and eat. For interesting and entertaining food content I like what the former BA hosts do, and a lot of famous chefs have excellent YouTube content that is very humbly edited and presented.
I feel this. I watch about 8 Foodtubers on and off and babish now feels very generic because basically everyone is a take on him.
Two things in his favour are his decision to use being the largest to platform others was really good and although that diluted his channel by making fans of the person stop watching every video, and also the fact that if I'm actually looking for a specific cooking guide and I see a babish video, I know I can follow it reliably and have a tasty end product.
Yeah you gotta give him credit and really a lot of the producers and editors on foodtube work between channels. It's sort of more like a community than other genres on YouTube are which I enjoy.
Still subbed to Babish but I feel this
It was definitely tough dropping him over something seemingly so miniscule, but it hit a nerve. Being part of the queer community myself, and having many close friends also being such, it just felt right. The salt in the wound was that there was no response at all except for the ones supporting him in this sponsoring.
A quick google for "Babish Hogwarts Legacy" garnered this Reddit post (sorry).
I was also all in since the reddit days. Learned to cook and even bought some of his wares. Unsubbed after the sponsor and never went back.
I am completely different, but agree with the sentiment.
I was one of his first 10k subs from his first video. His cubano video solidified me as a day 1 viewer.
Literally since the creation of the "babish universe" or whatever MCU franchise parody it was, it just took a nosedive in quality (production quality didn't change of course). Like there are only so many movie foods you can do, and I get why he branched out for sure, and Basics with babish was quite decent for a while.
I just think even a few years ago it became much more corporate and more of a "cooking content generation" channel and less of someone cooking and teaching in an entertaining way. It just feels completely different.
Yeah. How dare people want to protect trans rights. The gall.
*human rights
I'm not going to assume your position here, but this really comes off as some "all lives matter" style counter protesting.
It's more like the opposite - it is an argument that the rights of trans people aren't some new exotic social movement that we need to think carefully about. It's that regular human rights that we already mostly agree on should naturally apply to trans people.
I definitely see that angle, hence the not assuming, but "um actually"ing a social progress motto isn't a great look, especially with the existence of "*all lives matter" hanging around.
Also, the whole motto is "Trans Rights are human rights", so that's quite literally already laid out.
Agreed with Deestan. It's about treating all humans, be them straight, lesbian, gay, bi, trans, queer/questioning, asexual, pan, and all elements of the rainbow that aren't covered by the above as equals. We are all part of the human race, Homo sapiens sapiens.
You get how unhelpful this is, right? Like, do you go to abortion rights protests and preach the same bs? Or gay rights marches? You're not helping anyone with this "actually, everyone deserves these rights" garbage. "Everyone" doesn't face the same problems, so just let people advocate for their rights as they see fit instead of trying to kneecap them for the sake of "equality".
I get your perspective, and I think we are both trying to at least meet in the middle with how we are trying to explain our takes. By all means, I truly do think that minority groups should have more support and have the right to be heard and seen than the "societal norm". I guess I was just trying to see both sides and trying to determine a midpoint. The "All Lives Matter" movement easily falls in line with many other conservative spiels, and I'm trying to see the best in people in that what they mean isn't trying to side with the heavier right wing movements. Again, I'm not trying to belittle or minimize the trans rights movement or anything in which minority groups aren't being heard. I guess I just wish we lived in a society where everyone was treated as equal, and any hate groups were quieted to the best of our ability, slowly erasing those archaic viewpoints.
I’m assuming they’ve all burnt the books, merchandise, theme parks and dvd’s they’ve already spent money on and had their memory wiped of all (5/6/7?) stories in the Barry Trotter series. I’ve never read nor watched any of it but I’m assuming that whilst the bandwagon was rolling-on everything was tickety-boo until later; when she opened her mouth to give a personal opinion. The thing is: if her legions of fan(atic)s hadn’t elevated her to the pantheon of gods then it’s possible she may not have thought she had enough clout and kudos to wade into a topic massively unrelated to her “day job”. Who knows?
Not sure if this counts, but I'll nominate Unidan.
People still crowing about Unidan.
Here's the thing...
Now that's a blast from the past
Now hold on I think you're confusing crows and jackdaws...
Hate to say it, but Wintergatan and his Marblemachine X. In the earlier days his videos were an exciting mix of mad genius, cool music improv and crafting. Then he became obsessed with making the machine play tight, precise music to a level that is beyond what anybody in an audience would be able to hear, and it became obvious that the machine would never get finished because he was stuck in an improvement loop.
Jimmy Dore. Started watching in 2015. He was consistently about progressivism and brought awareness to causes such as Medicare for All. As the channel grew, he slowly became more deranged. COVID came and he found a larger audience spouting anti-vax dog whistles. The channel is now tabloid anti-vax, pro-putin, hot garbage.
Cinemassacre/AVGN.
not a youtuber, but I genuinely enjoyed babylon bee and the daily bonnet for parody news about christian and mennonite culture. the humor was always inward. now its all propaganda
Mark Rober with CrunchLabs. I feel like he's sold himself into a more corporate world and isn't producing the same caliber of content he used to.
Idubbbz. It's fine that he grew out of his edginess, I largely have too, but most of his videos now just feel like he needs to pay the bills and just cranks something out.
Jake Tran. His old videos were pretty cool. He went downhill ever since he tried to convince me that drinking soy milk turns people into femboys and losing sperm cells.
George Lucas
SVSeeker. At first it seemed like a really inspirational channel about a guy building a giant boat in his backyard in Oklahoma that was going to be used as a free to anyone research vessel, but as time went on everyone slowly realized the dude had basically no idea what he was doing and was super hostile to anyone telling him otherwise. Now it's been two years since lunching the boat and he has done none of the things he promised to do with it (like even leave the coast) and it seems pretty clear everyone got duped into helping him build a retirement house boat instead of a research vessel.
Andrew Callaghan sad to say because I was a huge fan and I guess there's been actual rape allegations come out although he hasn't been charged with anything so who knows. That style of journalism I just love so much and he is so good at it so it's a shame.
The only two I ever watched where this has happened and not simply them just up and disappearing was JonTron and Onison.
And it's understandable why the quality went down. Not only did I grew up, they were both accused of and/or involved in grooming or some shit.
Joe Rogan.
Since nobody else is saying it.
I was a big fan of Illuminaughtii/ Blair Zon for a long time. Now she's so controversial, other creators make content on her.
Smarter Every Day. Used to be just some amateur prettyboy nerd just geeking out and getting behind the scenes on cool stuff. Then it seems like he run out of cool ideas and money got involved. Last episode I watched, he was hocking some obviously awful aquarium game that he was involved with.
I kind of felt that way about NerdCubed. I just felt like he was becoming too pretentious and that he was rebooting his channel every couple months
Could you give some examples?
I just recently started watching him, so I'm kinda bouncing around from his old stuff to his recent stuff, and i'm not really noticing a significant difference besides what you would expect with time and experience.
Of him being pretentious?
I guess it felt like there was a shift in the tone of his content around the time he hit 250,000 subscribers and it really ramped up after the incident where a fan showed up at his apartment door.
I think it's kind of understandable due to latter but I feel like he became a lot less personable and more full of himself. It was a lot of little things so it's kind of hard to pinpoint.
Admittedly I haven't watched his content in probably about eight years but I don't image things like his podcast would help.
I mean, I do get the pretentiousness, bit it feels like its more played for laughs as a character and not real? at least to me?
But like I said before, I just started watching him, and i only watch the game videos, none of the podcasts or anything, so I don't have any basis to even have an opinion yet, much less make any solid statements, just curious about info and whats being talked about.. Which is why i appreciate the reply with examples.
Though I could definitely understand a tonal shift happening if some random entitled internet fuckface randomly showed up at his door.
I think it suddenly started to feel like less of an act around that time. I am having a hard time explaining it but he just seemed kind of full of himself. Like he was making himself out to be bigger than he was between the constant rebooting of his channel, less jokes and more opinionated content, and trying to branch out into everything at once.
Just not for me but I feel like those kind of changes happen a lot anyway when content creators grow to a substantial level of popularity.
fair, I'm shotgunning shit from all over.
you were there daily following, so I would assume you'd be more in tune with that kinda stuff than someone like me.
H3H3
ThePrimeagen Was cool but now he's just reacting to programming articles with insane clickbait, especially compared to other programming YouTubers, and talks about things way outside of his core skillset
The Damage Report. Holy fucking clickbait titles, man, and then the content is incredibly uninteresting.
"Ben Shapiro just ended his career!" and turns out he just ate an unpopular flavor of ice cream to own the libs.
I agree, mrwhosetheboss got so boring for me. Every video just felt pretty much the same. Same old jokes, same old style, every single time. For me, another one is Linus Tech Tips. Their content just feels kinda boring nowadays. It was much better maybe 2-3 years ago.
Mrwhostheboss video about Temu made me unsubscribe. Felt more like advertisement than anything else.
Sinfest. It used to have some great strips and the art was unique and then it veered into full on hard right terf territory.
Check it now. I'm not even sure where it's slant is anymore. It's full Palestinian support now. Unless that's become right territory now. I don't even know in this world anymore....
Like all fascist conspiracy theorists, it inevitably connects back to anti-Semitism.
Did you ever? I ask because of GiR profile pic
AvE. I wish he'd have kept his political comments to snide funny side comments. But the straw for me was his arguing against masks and repeating covid conspiracy dog whistles.
Typical case of a person becoming (fairly) widely recognized as a smart domain expert and thinking this translates into being an expert in other fields. It happens, sadly, so often with Youtubers.
Dave2D - Not a huge creator, but he lived in a van and made videos mocking other van-lifers who did the glamping thing and only showed the positive side of van life, not the negative side where you poo in a bucket and live in fear of a crackhead breaking into your car while youre asleep in it.
One of the glam-van-life couples broke up and he made a video publically mocking them. Then the girl killed herself. There was a huge shitstorm in the vanlife community and he ended up deleting almost all his content. Now he mostly does fantasy artwork livestreams.
I feel like idubbbz peaked around hair cake.
two minute papers
A Brazilian named Poladoful used to make funny videos playing smaller concept games like Soda simulator, with funny commentary done by a robotic voice. One year after I found him he pivoted to become a kids focused channel.
Here are some old ones: Shane Dawson
Onision
Smosh
=3
Not so old: JonTron
I used to watch Big Clive and supported him on Patreon.
Then he started going off on wild shit about weird conspiracy theories about vapes being harmless, and government just wanting to get rid of them and lying about the lung damage or something to that accord.. and of course, Covid had to come into it to, where he made wild claims about it just being a regular flu and the whole response was blown out of proportion and really dismissing it as a threat.
I dont know how far he's fallen since then since I cancelled my patreon and fucked off from viewing.
He was never a favourite content creator of mine, but some of John Campbell's videos at the start of the pandemic were very informative. Then he started getting high on all his own hype, reporting more and more dubious psuedo-science, and getting into stupid spats with other YouTubers and pandemic 'celebrities'.
Used to like old MoistCritical, now it's all just drama, stream reactions and an occasional sex toy video. Also took up a gambling site sponsorship for one of the podcast episodes, so I stopped watching him and haven't seen the channel in like a year. Maybe he has changed though in that time.
ThatGuyWithTheGlasses fell harder than any I have seen.
For real, what happened with that whole family of creators? I haven't watched any of them in over 10 years.
Google #changethechannel, but to sum up, people got fed up with the mistreatment by the Walkers (Doug, the NC, and Rob) as well as Mike the ceo, especially after one of the best liked members was fired from the site.
And THEN it came to light that they had known about a pedo in their midst and protected him for years. Justin Carmical, Aka JewWario.
Rooster Teeth and Achievement Hunter - their fall from grace was slow at first. First yet another corporate sellout and Bernie leaving, then the employee scandals - especially Ryan. RvB outlived itself and it was their prime thing. RVBY went downhill after Monty died. The new talent wasn't as entertaining as the old, and then the pandemic really kicked their ass.
TIK History.
Tik went from solidly researched war history to not-so-solidly researched political and religious theory. I did not appreciate it. Veritas et caritas recently raked him over the coals for it, which I am grateful for. Hopefully he returns to his area of strength, and resumes making quality history content.
Fabulous Crusty. I don't hate his work or his decisions, as he wanted to do what he liked, and he found a new audience with it. Absolutely good for him.
I miss his old content he probably decided was cringe, or perhaps YouTube deemed controversial like his playthrough of Rinse and Repeat. Rinse and Repeat isn't controversial as far as I know(?) and had censor blurs. As someone in the LGBTA, I didn't find his reactions to be inappropriate, and I liked his exploration of the jank of that game. Although I'm not sure why he played it, other than "this game is weird, it'll get clicks."
He's deleted or delisted a lot of my favorite videos from back in the day (or I can't find his old channel, not sure). I hope he's doing well, I just miss the really random weird stuff he was playing. I did enjoy the Shadow of War stuff though.
Commanders quarters. Started as an interesting budget build magic the gathering commander deck channel and in less than a year went from that to click bait, 7 videos a day between 10-15 minutes about spoiled cards from whatever the new set coming out is. It absolutely flooded my feed and was completely worthless.
There was also some drama about the lead guys opinions about other IPs getting cards (the walking dead being the first) and how it was the end times for that particular flavor of inked up cardboard.
Sam Hyde/MDE, some hilarious stuff before Trump then they just became boring political trigger/shock humor. He has this weird feud with Heidecker alleging he convinced Adult Swim to cancel his show which Tim denies as ridiculous. Hyde can be hilarious but he ruins it with sincere right wing politics and trying to be as offensive as he can for the sake of it.
Pengest Munch aka Chicken Shop Connoisseur. It's a UK thing really though.
Man's churning through editors. He really dropped the ball by going on an insane break when he was peaking.
Episode 100 out yet?
Sips from the Yogscast moved to mostly Twitch, and it sucked all the soul out of his content. I dislike streaming in general, because watching people interact with the randoms in their chat is not entertaining, but it felt especially bad for Sips, since his videos used to have so much effort and personality, but that was all lost on Twitch. I'm sure he's making more money now, and that's great, and I'm glad he found a good way to do his career that he's enjoying, but I just can't watch him anymore
Lex Fridman.
Cold Ones.
The interviews are interesting but all the other vids are just trash click bait.
Their editor is incredible though.
Van Oak Props. He had some very cool, very intricate builds that were a lot of fun to follow along with.
Now that there are sponsored videos, those videos are somewhat short, almost half assed builds just to use the sponsors product. The quality in his videos and the props he makes have gone down.
PhoenixSC. They used to create very interesting niche technical Minecraft videos. Then they once made a "cursed Minecraft" video which became very popular and created a lot of memes. I still liked it then but they kept going that direction and now their channel is just stupid memes.
Gardiner Bryant I liked him when he was doing Linux News updates and talking about Linux gaming but after he blew up with the LTT Linux challenge.
It's like his personality shifted and has that I'm being managed vibe and doesn't hide it very well. I'm glad he found success but he is just not for me anymore.
I just checked back in and I guess he is just a generic gaming handheld reviewer now like we don't have a million of those.
Doug Demuro. Absolute garbage 2-3 years now.
Forgotten Weapons.
I think guns are neat, and Ian's channel is a gun oriented one without the reactionary politics. I wouldn't say his quality went down, but he (this was a few years ago) did a series on Rhodesian guns he got from a collector. I thought it was gross, but not necessarily bad. Lots of people are interested in Nazi stuff without being into the politics.
But then, in the middle of the George Floyd protests, he covers a grenade launcher (Like the one from Terminator2) that shoots rubber bullets and a bean-bag firing shotgun in the same week. Weird time to cover riot police gear. I haven't watched since.
In this thread I see broadly two types of complaints:
Both fine, but I think the latter is just a bummer and really reflects a much deeper problem of the times in which we live.
Onion News Network. Their youtube videos are all basic reactionary tiktok style presentations.
She was always far left, and that fact underpinned pretty much every older video. She has always talked about social and economic issues, and done a damn good job of it.
As a socialist she isn't really that leftist, left side of the neoliberal consensus for sure.
Interesting take. I grew up and swung hard left. I'm a union executive and an advocate for voting reform and a universal basic income. My conservative father and I have the odd clash but surprisingly he's pretty receptive to all this, and I've found many conservative folk are when you don't treat them like they're stupid.
After she transitioned, she started talking about being trans? The nerve
I don't think she knows the subject matter enough a lot of the time and is part of this weird commodification of philosophy happening. The political angle never bothered me.
I've no problem with the trans and lefty commentary, I find that stuff fascinating...
Who is miss is Oliver. Abigail is nice, but I identified with Oliver in a lot of ways. I can't identify with Abigail. I wish they could have cloned/split into 2 people.
Check out the Carefree Wandering vids that use Abigail, coincidentally right before and after her transition, as an example of how philosophy is commodified by influencers, and some of the interesting things around identity and how it impacts the content etc.
This one? https://youtu.be/0RmJO2IwHek
That's the one!