I find it more comfortable to contribute to Lemmy than to other sites. There seems to be actual discussion and opportunities to learn, which can be much harder to come across on the other platforms.
When you come across a ‘user’ that almost exclusively defends one controversial politician/company/government and all of their comments seem to follow a script. Also the account is either brand new or 5 years old but only started posting recently.
That I agree with. I don't post often but when I do it's always very positive and makes me want to post more . Compared to Reddit where it would have alot more negative comments or would just get removed by the mods for some stupid reason. Did you know you can no longer post on r/buildapc about asking for suggestions on building PC's ? What's even the point anymore?
Did you know you can no longer post on r/buildapc about asking for suggestions on building PC’s ?
Yeah it's like a sub for a specific narrow purpose then people get buthurt about how people are always making the same posts over and over. So they turn it in to a wiki to "address repetitive spam" or whatever, so at that point you might as well just refer to one of the hundreds of other build lists found on other reputable sites. A lot of the productive hobby subs turn in to "hey check out my [reddit hyped product]!" and people actually posting things they've put effort in get little to no attention.
For me Mastodon is still growing and getting more interesting, with more and more formal institutions joining (newspapers, NGOs, government institutions etc.).
That's just not true. I've made comments that I thought desirve no reply but humans find a way. If there's no comments to read the shared content just isn't that interesting. If I see comments then the shared content must be interesting enough to justify a discussion.
I disagree. It doesn't have to be authentic necessarily. All you have to do to promote conversations is to disagree with someone. At least, that's how things seem to go here
Well I think you're wrong, fuck you and your opinion /s
I actually don't know to what extent I agree with you, but your theory certainly feels plausible to me. It reminds me of the internet adage about how the best way to get a right answer to your question is to be wrong. I can't remember what it's called.
Aye, cunningham seemingly meant it as the fastest answer though, which was the sentence right afterwards in that wiki entry. So maybe mr. anarchist-with-a-machine-fetish would have gotten an answer earlier if he had said it was the anti-murphy's law.
I take a break over the weekend. If I comment, I need to check the client every hour or so. I don't want replies/rebuttals to linger without a response if it is warranted. I need to work on my car projects and can't be bothered with online interactions whilst doing so.
That's probably the one thing I like about lemmy that surprised me when compared to reddit. I've found myself commenting on posts or to replying to comments days after the initial posts, and no one seems bothered by it.
I try to make it a point to post questions on communities that have not kicked off yet, knowing that I most likely will not receive a response for a while.
Hi, they aren’t. I browse by Hot on All or Local specifically to discover niche and active communities. The memes I see on Lemmy are actually higher quality compared to Reddit, mostly due to the older user base here. Bonus points that we don’t have extremely toxic communities like dankmemes yet. So overall, that’s much much better for me. Even if the content was dog water, I’d still be happy about the absence of toxicity and everyone enjoying a semi-lame repetitive joke.
Yep, I'm jaded in my expectations knowing what Lemmy was prior to the massive expansion through June and July...
It was still a fun place, but it was a couple dozen posts a day across all servers, by a handful of people from the bigger servers.
We still have a lot of fixes to make on Lemmy, especially on the moderation, management, and content filtering side of things (though apps have been thankfully filling the gaps on some of these issues). Niche communities still need more participation to get off the ground. I'll see again where we are in a few months from now.
I exclusively surf "top 6 hours" and I've actually noticed an uptick in niche community content, lately. Different kind of growth, maybe a sort of settling into itself, finally.
Oh yeah, the sort here kind of sucks. Also just using the site, you lose your place/sort if you click into a link or the comments. Like, if I'm on page 2 of Top 6 Hours, click a link, and then click back into the scroll.. pretty sure I just see the first page of Active again until I either refresh or change pages.
I don't think Voyager has this problem. Highly, highly recommend, both on desktop and mobile. The UI is slick enough that it's kept me here. All I do is laugh at shit memes but it's perfect
Are you using any app, or just through a browser? On a mobile browser, I find the back button to take me to the previous page of posts (so if I clicked into a comment thread on page 3, hitting the back button takes me to page 2). It's definitely odd.
I subscribed to the communities I care the most about and sort by subscribed and new. That said, across 20 communities it's probably something like 10-15 new posts per day so after I get through those and interact it's off to all.
But I do try to engage in the communities I want to see grow.
Bro, I noticed the same, it has been a long time since I played around with the sort types, I basically settled with Active and hid all seen stuff, now I feel I get different content with other kinds of sorts.
Yeah the "All" in particular is pretty bad for the average person. They're not going to enjoy a Star Trek meme, followed by a Arch meme, a Self-hosted post, a grad-student Science meme, followed by a privacy post.
I'm also convinced Lemmy's "hot" algorithm is broken; I can easily find posts with ONE UPVOTE on the all feed. Hot is supposed to be a balance between acceleration and total vote count, but it seems like it just only acceleration. Go look at the front page of reddit. The difference is night and day.
We need a normie.world that has an "all" feed that doesn't contain 70% niche communities. We have c/humor, c/news, etc but they're completely diluted by overpowered niche posts.
I have a potentially contentious opinion. Normies are what ruined Reddit and the crowd attracted by normie communities are why Reddit is even more toxic than it used to be.
We don't need to attract normies, we just need to attract more people like us.
I don't hate normies by any means, but I don't want to hang out with them all day either.
Lol, yesterday it felt like there was at least half a dozen posts about Firefox, mostly claiming that YouTube was slowing them down. Which seemed really bad at first, till I dug into it and saw it was probably an unintended bug with ad handling.
And why were there so many posts? Who wants to see the same post more than once?
While I don't entirely disagree, I'm a little confused by your description of the front page of lemm.ee, which we're both on. My front page when viewing All here is mostly memes/shitposts/news/technology when set to Active sort, is yours not?
I've admittedly blocked a fair amount and have show NSFW/bot posts disabled, but the communities you mention aren't affected by that.
It's called reddit and that's why I left. Fuck the normies. They'll import fascism.
That sounds unnecessarily combative so let me expand my argument.
There's a book called The Authoritarians by a man called Bob Altermyer. Altermyer is now retired but he was a professor of psychology at the University of Manitoba. During his career he did a lot of research into authoritarians, both followers and leaders. In the book he describes for laypeople the experiments and the findings. If you want to do a deep dive into his statistical analysis you can because the whole thing is fully referenced but for people who just want an easy to read description that is also easy to understand then this is the book for you.
After reading the book redditors behaviour became a lot more easy to understand. I was less upset by what was going on but I stopped engaging because I now understood that reddit wasn't a site for me anymore. It was a site for people that enjoyed being normal and doing normal things. And that's ok, why shouldn't they be catered for?
I use reddit and lemmy exclusively on desktop or laptop. So when the app business came up I didn't regard it as my fight, however I thought that if I expected people to stand up for my interests if they are challenged I should show a bit of solidarity with them. So I didn't visit reddit at all for the days it was blacked out. I didn't like how spez reacted. I saw that people were crossing to the fediverse and I took a look for myself. I liked it. I posted. I wasn't attacked for having a non-normie viewpoint. I liked that a lot.
The thing about normies is they don't read scientific studies for fun, they don't like long winded explanations about why the world is the way it is. They think they can see something in the street and extrapolate an entire social policy from it and there are chancers that will tell them, 'You know what? You're right. We don't need experts telling you that you're wrong, what do they know?'
So your Jordan Petersons and your Nigel Farages and Alex whatever his nameis, these people and reddit's normie audience are made for each other. I'll even go as far as to say this extends to the people that think the Democrats or the Labour Party are going to fix their problems, Team Liberal aren't doing themselves any favours but my point is that if your goal is a massive website that caters to the largest part of the reddit audience you're going to end up swimming in cryptofascist and sometimes outright fascist content. Been there, seen that, got the t-shirt.
That's not lemmy, that's all social media (albite divisive topics are a bit different among different communities).
This is a hot take, but I think humanity is slowly turning it's back on social media because of it's toxic nature. You can only open a browser and get your nuts kicked so many times before you finally decide you don't like getting your nuts kicked.
Hmm, yeah I definitely see how I am biased there. I've been on social media since its inception, so my opinion is likely influenced mostly by people who have experienced social media for ~2 decades and are sick of it now.
Isn't Lemmy suposed to be FOSS? I thought that was the main reason why people left Reddit for Lemmy was that and API changes. Wouldn´t other FOSS be of interestt too? Just a thought.
Reddit's great strength was that it was big enough that niche communities could attract enough users to have interesting conversations and a steady flow of content, and if you are a Reddit refugee looking for those sorts of communities you aren't likely to find them on Lemmy. I've more or less made my peace with that, but if you're not the kind to stand on principle, a falling user count is bad news for the hope that the Fediverse might snowball into the sort of place that can support discussions about your passions and hobbies even if they're not the sort of thing that is popular with a specific set of tech-savvy anti-capitalist leftwing activists (and I say this with love as a fellow tech-savvy leftie... but y'all got one-track minds and it shows in what communities live and die around here).
Yeah even a pretty unpopular car brand (Infiniti) has a pretty active sub due to the install base. I think I'm the only person here who has posted about it at all on lemmy.
Hey don't forget about the other half of the posts, which are in a language you don't understand. Seriously, my block list is long because language settings here mean nothing, and while I'm sure that's quality content, uh, I can't understand it.
Let's look at some numbers and do some napkin math:
Currently, the top post of Lemmy can usually get a little more than 2K upvotes, which puts Lemmy at about late 2010 to early 2011 reddit level of activity, which is right before reddit hits its explosive growth phase in 2012 with SOPA, Kony, and the Obama AMA. While active user count has been going down, the amount of post and comments have both been steadily going up.
You also have to realize that in more than a decade, there was never a reddit alternative that has EVER hit this level of activity. (unless you count 9gag or the_donald for some reason.)
It's worth noting that Lemmy only had around 1000 active users for the first half of 2023. (Kbin had fewer than 40 active users until May 2023!) Currently Lemmy + Kbin have about 38,000 active users.
That's the reality of where we are. A quiet rural village that turned into a boom town, and now is finding a new normal.
Internet in general is becoming boring and tedious. Don't know if it's because of my age (Started to use internet when I was 13yo now I'm 31) but the internet isn't that exciting and curiosity inducing place to me.
Have you continued exploring, or found yourself settling in more?
For me any place stagnates when I start settling into it, so I try to find a new angle, a new question to ask of it, and eventually something gives way to something exciting and fascinating that was right around the corner the whole time.
I continued exploring it. But, aside of one or other interesting sites that catch my attention for long periods of time (e.g. TvTropes), I can't find internet amusing as I used to do in my childhood/teens. Sometimes I pick a good site that keep me entertained while browsing CloudHiker, but isn't the same thing anymore.
I literally bought a Lightphone II because I was spending too much time on reddit. Like, I'd stay in bed for an hour just scrolling.
I've recently slacked off and started keeping my iPhone (on wifi) next to me when I sleep. I loose interest in like 20 minutes.
I've made a point of not posting or commenting on reddit since the recent debacle, but it's really frustrating when I have some OC that would be great for a niche community that just doesn't exist in any real numbers on lemmy.
There's nothing wrong with browsing your social media whereever that be Facebook or Instagram or messageboards like lemmy reddit or 4chan just as long as it's not impacting your life. Could be a good way to catch up on friends and pass the time. Although "social media detoxing" can be really good for your mental health
I won't lie. I mostly don't engage with content I see here. I didn't do that when I was on Reddit either and mostly for the same reason: I don't really have much to say and, even when I do have an opinion, I don't usually want to engage in what's often a protracted debate about something that will probably just end up being frustrating.
That's not to say I haven't had positive experiences on the Fediverse - I've had more here than anywhere else - I'm just not particularly motivated most of the time.
Well, I want to thank you for sharing your thoughts.
There are a number of thread topics on Lemmy that seem to keep going the same direction (Google, Musk, Gaza, Trump, Windows, etc.), and as you say, it can be frustrating and exhausting...
At the same tine on Lemmy, I had found articles that were worthwhile reading, updates to FOSS that I would have otherwise missed, no shortage of silly memes, and a handful of new perspectives that were positively thought provoking. Those let me look past most of the negative things and stuff that is pervasive on all kinds of forums, Reddit and social media on the whole.
I'll happily participate with light-hearted content but otherwise I mostly feel like you when it comes to any polarising topics like politics, etc. I wish there were more content about my areas of expertise so I could participate in that but alas there's mostly developer stuff only. Maybe I'm also not doing my best curating my feed since I tend to mostly browse all.
Yeah Reddit just sucks now. I don't care much about karma, but it can be discouraging to type out a long answer to help someone and just get a downvote with no comment or anything. Over and over again.
The influx of people who don't know how the site is supposed to work, on top of the usual toxicity, has just ruined it for me.
Hah! If I ever mention that I use Windows, Chrome, and I subscribe to YouTube Premium, I'll be publicly hanged on Lemmy. If you don't use Linux, Firefox, and host your own Plex serv... sorry, Jellyfin server, then you're scum. And don't let me start on politics, and especially Israel v. Hamas. Jews should be deathly afraid of a lot of people around here.
All of this has made me less active on Lemmy, and I've started to use Reddit again, albeit a lot less than before. And I do in fact use Fedora, Firefox and host my own media server, but I'm not being an ass about it.
lemmy still isnt nearly as good as reddit was by a long shot. niche communities suck, porn sucks, c/all content isnt bad but if you scroll once youll just repeat everything on refresh.
but god damn the reddit app is terrible now and the content sucks there now too it literally feels like its trying to be a tik tok clone.
The quality here is far better with the exception of maybe some user generated text stories. Posts don't just get lost in a sea of posts. The users here may not be as many, but it appears to have more consistent engagement and far less people PM'ing me offering me Amazon gift cards for feet pics.
So do the new posts and everything. But Reddit is a shithole and Omegle got sued to death, online gaming is either a full time job or a money sink, streaming services start to cancel out each other and most of the regular games and their performance suck ass.
Indie games are the only thing keeping gaming alive for me, for the most part. All the AAA games I play are older titles. Doing the GTAV story with a trainer has been a pretty fun time lately for me.
Wait, I just want to make sure I'm getting this. You're going through five converters before plugging into the tv? Counting the computer->USBc as a converter...
Technically yes.
In reality it’s just 2 "real" converters who both need their own power supply. Once from digital to HD analogue, and then from that to SD. For input lag, it’s a lot less than the 20 ms of input lag the HDMI 2 input of my Sony Bravia TV.
Same here. I like the idea of Lemmy but the decentralization makes it really difficult to find the content I want. Reddits centralization, while causing some problems, definitely made it easy to find communities. That lack of ease is what makes Lemmy not as easy to use for new people.
There’s also the problem where I totally want to start a community (for example: Marble Racing), but I don’t know where a good home would be for it and I don’t think my home instance would be a good home.
I think it does a bit. The obvious one would be for porn on general purpose instances. Alternatively, my primary instance for example is a bit of a niche one related to reading, so a sports or politics community could feel disjointed especially for the admins/mods who manage the community.
Have you checked out [email protected]? For some reason I don't see it mentioned or linked to much, but it's basically that, which I think would feel much more approachable to new people than pointing them to tools like Lemmyverse (as much as I do really appreciate it).
Another good one for sharing communities you've stumbled across would be [email protected].
Same here. I lurk more on Lemmy but if I want to discuss some niche topic then Reddit is so easy to I don’t use that fucking app though, website or 3rd party.
Try Deep Rock Galactic! It is neither a full time job or a money sink. Any purchases are purely cosmetic, seasons are entirely free and there are regular updates.
Why does this matter? Do we need to appease the shareholders or something? Do we need endless month over month growth, lest the world completely stops turning?
Coulda fooled me, the content quality has continued to climb, and that's all that matters. Look at this post, it's an original meme only relevant to this community, and it's blowing up.
It really doesn't bother me tbh. The fediverse isn't for everyone and I'd rather people just use whatever platform they prefer than endlessly complaining on Lemmy when it's clearly simply not for them. And that's okay, use whatever platform suits you.
Lemmy is whatever we make it, except for the communism posts that love communism until they realize workers need representation. I half believe those are Chinese bots or high school kids who are stupid enough to believe the Chinese bots.
This took me 5 seconds of research. If were being passive aggressive here ive gotta say. are you sure you didn't get dropped on the head as a baby or eat copious amounts of lead
Right. Magically, everyone on the Internet has become infatuated with communism out of thin air over the last few years. Must just be my paranoia to surggest influence from a hostile government.
How do you account for the vast amount of anti-CPC Communists, Socialists, and Anarchists, if this "influence from a hostile government" is so effective? Might it be simpler to see that Capitalism's increasing failure has driven more people in developed countries towards radicalization, especially as generations are further removed from the Red Scare?
Homie did you repress COVID? Anyone that wasn't removed about wearing a mask was discussing why this system isn't working for them. Sorry you weren't invited to the discussion.
As someone who posts a ton, I've noticed that a lot of people seem to check the top posts once a day or so. Posts can be slow to get engagement and traction, but the ones that become super active still seem to hit similar peaks as before (1-2k upvotes, hundreds of comments).
But yeah, people aren't as actively engaged and commenting on everything all day like they used to on reddit. The framework is here, and I think if there were another big exodus, Lemmy is set up to be a great landing point.
This. Quality over quantity. There are much more walls of text, but it's filled with information and humanity. Reddit just became another Meta platform, but for niches. Lemmy has great communities, but all are tech and anti-big-corpo related, I feel right at home :p, but I understand that most don't.
It was better before people absolutely fucking insisted on scraping reddit posts to bring over here. Post after post after post of regurgitated bot posts, without a single comment, no engagement at all. Fun!
There are plenty of other communities people made, just most didn't become very active. If the Linux memes are everywhere, it's because those are the people actually active here
It's not that they're not active, it's that every single thread on every single community devolves into linux discussions even if the community isn't in any way supposed to be about Linux.
Also the ones that aren't active aren't active because everyone realized lemmy only caters to like three interests.
We need better moderation so that the communities which are supposed to be about Linux are, and the ones that aren't don't get flooded with it. That way newcomers won't feel like they have no place here unless they're an anti-car, vegan, FOSS user.
If this doesn't happen, lemmy will slowly die and people will have to go to other places like Tildes or back to Reddit.
Personally I don't think I've noticed this. Things devolving into political discussions, sure, but that's par for the course with social media I imagine. I had assumed you meant the prevalence of Linux stuff on the all feed.
No I mean the prevalence of Linux on c/memes, on c/mildlyinfuriating, c/programmerhumor, anywhere but Linux and Linux memes which are specifically designated for that content.
If you haven't seen it on the comments of every possible thread you're either wearing blinders or willfully ignorant. You can't go three comments down on a single post anywhere without someone mentioning Linux and then the whole thread is Linux from there.
I would fully expect Linux content on any community dedicated to technology (i.e. programmerhumor); the rest is totally understandable. Though, I have to agree with @CarbonIceDragon, I really don't see as much Linux content as you seem to - granted I use kbin, not lemmy.
I've read that Lemmy is a bit more personally curated than kbin, is it possible you've just accidentally built yourself a Linux bubble?
Fair enough on programmer humor, but no I don't think I've built any kind of bubble. I only subscribe to those two aforementioned Linux communities, everything else is just bleed over. My feed is pretty well rounded to match what I had going on over at reddit.
Hmm but what kind of software do these trains run on? Allow me to take a moment and explain how switching these operations to Linux could increase schedule reliability while minimizing expenses.
Yeah reddit spring user here, I kinda agree. Not that I mind them but there is an awful lot of 'LOL WINDOWS NORMIES LOL' and 'JOKE ABOUT HOW HARD THIS LINUX IS.' is like... allot of the jokes.
I see more people complaining on Lemmy about problems than I do the actual problems they're complaining about.
Just use the thing, and put the content and comments you want on it? You don't have to be a passive observer just staring out the window as monkeys dance for you. Be the monkey. Dance how you want. Eat a banana. Fling poo if that's what you want. Just stop expecting everyone else to create your dream routine and then having a sook because they step-pause-turn-pause-pivot-step-paused when you wanted them to step-pause-turn-pause-pivot-step-step.
I am still on Lemmy. It's still my primary timewaster. I was clean from Reddit until a few weeks ago and I relapsed. The app is shit. Lemmy feels more like what I loved about Reddit but without the content. Reddit still has content but the app doesn't feel good to use.I m stuck going back and forth. First to Lemmy then to Reddit. I'll stick with Lemmy until it gets better or it dies.
tbh its true: apart from my french instance where i like to hang out, most of Lemmy is just memes, Linux related posts, or self hosting posts. No meaningful content for ur average person really. In fact i scroll throu 'All' in new and reach yesterday's posts in just few minutes, given the amount of 'not so meaningful content' i am filtering ..
I'm one of the people who has stopped coming here. I'll keep visiting occasionally but the lack of content and pro-east/anti-west rhetoric is just as irritating as the maga/conspiracy crowds on reddit.
Yeah I lurk most of the time and comment on neutral topics sometimes, but generally the content isn't too engaging.
It's either memes, Linux (or memes about Linux), or this or that type of politics. Lots of bot-generated content, too many American-based sports teams; lots of repeating topic content (e.g. shitload of musk, trump/biden/whatever), lots of community and/or news duplicates. I won't be lying I've seen like 5 reposts of some amd threadripper news in my active feed within 10 pages.
Sometimes I know that engaging into a small comment will yield zero replies, and other times I feel like the response will most likely be frustrating. What I valued about reddit is diverse topic discussions, interesting questions and fun reads. But people seem to have more fun bypassing my anti-politics filters in-between porn. I honestly think we need to revive many communities related to questions, interesting topics, and overall "lets-have-a-chat-on-something" (preferably not related to what I mentioned above, or at least that touches a broader audience).
Do I contribute a lot? Am I the one to tell people what to do? I don't think so, but when I have a will to create some content, that will is usually cut off by zero-to-none expected engagement from other people. People wanna do what they wanna do, I guess. I don't blame em.
I won't be lying I've seen like 5 reposts of some amd threadripper news in my active feed within 10 pages.
It's true and one of the pitfalls of the de-centralized model. As a poster I try to crosspost the same link across servers to multiple communities big and small, as a way for people to "discover" niche communities.
I'm in full agreement on how there should be more laid back "chat about something" content. You might interested in having a look at https://beehaw.org (not federated with LW or SJW), that has ![email protected] and that server might be more your speed, I personally like it a lot. Bee sure to read and follow the spirit of the server rules.
I honestly think we need to revive many communities related to questions, interesting topics, and overall “lets-have-a-chat-on-something” (preferably not related to what I mentioned above, or at least that touches a broader audience).
Have you subbed to the various AskLemmy/Ask[instance]/NoStupidQuestions/Out of the Loop communities across here?
To my own amusement, I found sh.itjust.works has several question communities that I tossed some posts to here & there.
Also although I haven't sorted out what I might want to post in them, there's these chat communities for other discussing other topics besides those you highlight getting plenty enough discussion:
My god, the amount of Trump shit I see on here is insane. I despise the cunt, but god damn do I really need to scroll past like 15 posts a day about the shit stain? Even on Reddit they didn't suck his cheeto dick so much
In the early days of Reddit it's motto was fake it until you make it. It was a ghost town so they set up an army of bots to generate content and fake activity. Not much has changed tbh.
There are too many dimwits who think Lemmy was made so that they can build their echo chambers. So, there is no discourse, just stupid people encouraging stupid people. Anyone that comments otherwise is immediately removed.
Most mods are dumdums. Most are obviously politically and ideologically motivated. It's their job to prune anything they disagree with, which means they can't help themselves and ban everyone. Most of the time it's a complete waste of time to comment in smaller subs. The dumdums have taken hold either by making the subs and controlling them, or by volunteering as mods with no oversight.
This is normal. Most "alt" services, rely on outrage and shit to grow user base. Reddit will do something stupid and we'll get a huge influx again, some people will stay, others will leave.
Ha, I like the meme. Maybe replace the N word with “commie” or an Anime tankie chick. I’m with that last Redditor that stuck around, I’m liking this place. Certainly not the same as Reddit, but it’s got it’s own charm to it that a lot of others have already commented about
Feels Very circle jerky here. Its low effort commentaries on political issues mostly and extraordinarily little growth of niche interest subs.
The lack of content here helps curb my doom scrolling, so that and a real hate for reddit leadership and the pathetic Simps that think writing "fuck Spez" while still contributing content to his network for free is a form of effective protest, are all that keeps me here though.
This is my take on Lemmy as well. I was impacted by the removal of third party apps because I used Reddit as a mobile quick reader between activities where the bite-sized format of title -> elaboration -> brief discussion was great, but maybe a little too much. On Lemmy I don’t feel the need to keep reading. This also means I wasn’t invested enough in Reddit, so when they made clear their disdain for the users, I simply left. Nothing there is important enough to keep going.
Lemmy is definitely lower quality though. All is primarily single topic outrage and there is a significant amount of extreme rhetoric that makes me feel like I’ll be put on a list for reading, which would have been removed on Reddit for lack of civility or worse. The niche things don’t exist and, even if I wasn’t a bite-sized mobile user and had the time or thoughts to form a community, these Reddit clones are always most active at political… discussion users can’t express elsewhere and that tends to kill the niche hobbyists who don’t want to look at or be surrounded by that type of passion. So it’s difficult to curate a personal feed of anything but that.
Lemmy still works for my use case and it’s about the next best thing to Reddit. I do think the “circlejerk” feeling is contributing to the decline though, and wouldn’t be surprised if it ended up like Voat.
I find this all very irrelevant. I deleted reddit, account and all, and have never felt better. If I need to tell you you're great more to keep people here, then I will.
It was always bound to happen after a massive user gain. Frankly, we should be quite happy we can get over 400 comments in a thread. That’s not insubstantial for a very niche platform.
Learning curve is huge compared to other social media
The sad thing is, is not really that more complicated, it's just got a bumpy on-ramp. join-lemmy.org is a lot better than it used to be, but it's still got this anxiety-producing step where you have to select a home server.
I moved to Lemmy over from reddit not because of content or better UI but because people behind reddit seems like jerks to me and i came to realization I'd rather use open source.
What i lack here is information e.g. programming communities in Lemmy are, well, dead. If left on Lemmy things that are "recommended" to me it's sensational "news" that are aimed to spark woke vs others battle in discussion.
So what to make better ?
to build what reddit has, I'd call it a content library and i don't care if it's done by bots or humans. For me the facts + discussion to ask question is super important.
if searching for a topic outside of Lemmy> Lemmy doesn't show up in search engine but reddit does. Some optimization needs to be done to get better score at search engines.
let users to block instances and thus make de-federation to user's decision.
i think there needs to some kind of cross instance community, i don't think having same kind of community in multiple instances with different content is good solution.
For me personally, I have less connection to specific subs than back in the reddit days, given its federated nature and all that. I enjoy scrolling through the homepage, but don't really have that specific moment of 'I thought of something nice! That would fit nicely into this one, specific subreddit!'
Which, don't get me wrong, can be a good thing in the long run. But it takes a bit of getting used to.
The overwhelming majority of users who came from Reddit seem to be ~19 and lack any degree of EQ, for better and worse. It’s homogenized into the old Reddit crowd but slightly more progressive, which has perplexed me. I still prefer it here, it’s an objectively better time sink than Reddit, especially since they switched their algorithm to cater to fake stories and celebrities. When AITA comes here, I’m moving to mastodon.
Edit: you’re welcome to downvote, it doesn’t change the very noticeable inability to recognize “stallman was right”
The fake stories on reddit were the absolute worst. The #1 reason I stay on lemmy is because I believe most of the stories here and the comments seem like real people.
Why on earth would someone spend their time reading fake stories that pretend to be real, and then have full discussions with bots.
No it got popular because Reddit pissed a lot of people off temporarily. The only thing segregated instances does is confuse and upset the average person. Hell I host like 10 different alternative open source front ends for various websites and I fucking hate Lemmy instances. It makes Discovery new content unbelievably tedious.
What if I just want to browse communities? I can only do that on a per instant spaces, I have to go to that instance go to its communities tabs to browse and then if I find something I want I have to take its address and then go back to my own instance so I can subscribe to it with my account. That pisses me off and makes me not want to bother with it let alone the average user.
The sad state of reality is that centralized systems will always eventually get turned into corporate greed money machines but decentralized instances are by their very nature just shit and hard to work with and no one wants to put up with them.
Agreed, it was a steep learning curve just to even figure out how to use it. The concept of Lemmy is amazing but like you said, finding content is very unintuitive.
I think if there was some kind of database or reference for instances and the communities they have, it would be way easier to find what you're into. Somebody way smarter than me should look into that ;)
If it wasn't for instances, lemmy would just be lemmy.ml, filled with tankies, and unable to handle more than 10K people. You would never have joined.
The reddit exodus only caused people to leave reddit, not join lemmy. There have been dozens of reddit alternatives over the years and many of them were around at the time of the reddit exodus. Why do you think they all failed?
I'm here because reddit is fuck and my favorite reddit app converted to Lemmy, and I'm certain that was a bigger reason for lemmy's popularity growth than instances ever was
That sentence makes no sense. That's like saying "this 'website'-shit isn't helping the internet grow tbh."
Instances are Lemmy. They're all seperate platforms that just so happen to share stuff and use mostly the same code. It's just people hosting their own social media sites.
The main reason lemmy isn't growing is because of the userbase. Alot of the things I say are opinions. But this is just a fact the userbase is incredibly toxic. Especially folk from lemmygrad and prehaps lemmyml lemmyworld instances as well. A good marjority of 4channers are less toxic than a good chunk of lemmy users I would say
It's because when you go to /c/books , the default view is not every /c/books on every server. But one /c/books on one server. Therefore Lemmy is doomed and the dev refuse by principle to fix it.
Well, Lemmy is really not good at pushing new content/new posts and/or new communities to people. For many of us, that might be a boon: less algorithmic shenanigans, less "steering" of the user. Yet, if you are not a user who likes to actively seak out stuff, your feeds will look stale and slow-paced very quickly. There might be new stuff,.but the feeds struggle to find a middle ground between "only the upvoted stiff you subscribed to", "the always same server wide top posts" and "bleeding edge new stuff". It's also very reluctant to sprinkle on new communities.
I think that's a main contributor to the decline.
For the record: kbin is more liberal when it comes to that sort of stuff. So if you like a more active feed, you might want to try kbin. If you like your feed to be controlled by you more, use Lemmy.
Do we have stats so we can compare dates of drops in active users against defederation events? Every time a major instance defederates I resist the strong urge to abandon the defediverse.
Honestly a lot of it is probably people getting comfortable lurking again, Lemmy only counts post and comments as active users
So glad I decided to stop lurking and actually start participating right as the whole fediverse dies out, it's not just lemmy.
I find it more comfortable to contribute to Lemmy than to other sites. There seems to be actual discussion and opportunities to learn, which can be much harder to come across on the other platforms.
And fewer comments that are clearly a chat bot.
Don't worry! They've just become less obvious.
When you come across a ‘user’ that almost exclusively defends one controversial politician/company/government and all of their comments seem to follow a script. Also the account is either brand new or 5 years old but only started posting recently.
That I agree with. I don't post often but when I do it's always very positive and makes me want to post more . Compared to Reddit where it would have alot more negative comments or would just get removed by the mods for some stupid reason. Did you know you can no longer post on r/buildapc about asking for suggestions on building PC's ? What's even the point anymore?
Yeah it's like a sub for a specific narrow purpose then people get buthurt about how people are always making the same posts over and over. So they turn it in to a wiki to "address repetitive spam" or whatever, so at that point you might as well just refer to one of the hundreds of other build lists found on other reputable sites. A lot of the productive hobby subs turn in to "hey check out my [reddit hyped product]!" and people actually posting things they've put effort in get little to no attention.
Definitely trying to interact more, Lemmy is a gift imo.
I feel like mastodon is doing alright.
The fediverse is not dying out, don't be dramatic.
For me Mastodon is still growing and getting more interesting, with more and more formal institutions joining (newspapers, NGOs, government institutions etc.).
I comment on stuff to try to make discussions active, it rarely works.
That's just not true. I've made comments that I thought desirve no reply but humans find a way. If there's no comments to read the shared content just isn't that interesting. If I see comments then the shared content must be interesting enough to justify a discussion.
Of course it helps. But some of my shitty comments are scaping the bottom of the barrel of my knowledge or patience with the replier...
I comment because I crave validation from Internet strangers.
I agree.
That's a very good comment
I disagree. It doesn't have to be authentic necessarily. All you have to do to promote conversations is to disagree with someone. At least, that's how things seem to go here
That's not true at all, disagreeing doesn't mean you get replies to comments /s
Are you disagreeing with my disagreement? I emphatically disagree with that
If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.
But this isn't an argument, it's just contradiction!
You know what? i just did!
This is something I've learned from online game forums. You actually have to be divisive to get a high amount of concurrent users.
It only seems to be the shit-shows that anyone feels obligated to post in.
Well I think you're wrong, fuck you and your opinion /s
I actually don't know to what extent I agree with you, but your theory certainly feels plausible to me. It reminds me of the internet adage about how the best way to get a right answer to your question is to be wrong. I can't remember what it's called.
Cunningham's law. And just to buck the trend, you didn't have to get it wrong to get the right answer ;).
Aye, cunningham seemingly meant it as the fastest answer though, which was the sentence right afterwards in that wiki entry. So maybe mr. anarchist-with-a-machine-fetish would have gotten an answer earlier if he had said it was the anti-murphy's law.
I'm okay with that.
I feel happy if like 2 people interact with my question or post.
Well i think it’s stupid that we need that divisiveness
And I never said you said it was a good thing.
I’ve been pretty successful and keeping conversations going! I DO comment quite a bit, though.
Time to step out of the shadows then 🤭
I'm doing my part!
Hello
Yo
Commenting so I‘m active :)
I don't know how long it counts it for, but I try to remember to comment something like once every two weeks or something
that‘s a good idea. I will copy your „way of lemmy“.
I take a break over the weekend. If I comment, I need to check the client every hour or so. I don't want replies/rebuttals to linger without a response if it is warranted. I need to work on my car projects and can't be bothered with online interactions whilst doing so.
That's probably the one thing I like about lemmy that surprised me when compared to reddit. I've found myself commenting on posts or to replying to comments days after the initial posts, and no one seems bothered by it.
Yes, TTL is longer here. Deffo more casual.
Me no lurk. Me comment.
I'm doing my part!
My comment to stop the lurk
Ok I am guilty of that. What about votes? Are they not counted as activity?
I’ll try to post atleast one comment every now and then.
Well, as they say: “I’m going my part”.
I try to make it a point to post questions on communities that have not kicked off yet, knowing that I most likely will not receive a response for a while.
Yeah, that's probably the case.
Time to count me back in!
Well count me in now
Really? Oh
You should have seen Lemmy before June 2023. All posts were from the same five people. For now the community seems to be alive and healthy.
I wonder if those same five people are sad, presumably because their posts aren't as popular.
No, we are sad because the decrease in posts lately have left behind the worst parts of reddit.
How so?
It's all junk food generic memes and none of the whole grain hobbyist.
If everyone is browsing by top-6-hour I think we need to rethink the organization of things.
stopslurking
I feel caught..
Hi, they aren’t. I browse by Hot on All or Local specifically to discover niche and active communities. The memes I see on Lemmy are actually higher quality compared to Reddit, mostly due to the older user base here. Bonus points that we don’t have extremely toxic communities like dankmemes yet. So overall, that’s much much better for me. Even if the content was dog water, I’d still be happy about the absence of toxicity and everyone enjoying a semi-lame repetitive joke.
Yep, I'm jaded in my expectations knowing what Lemmy was prior to the massive expansion through June and July...
It was still a fun place, but it was a couple dozen posts a day across all servers, by a handful of people from the bigger servers.
We still have a lot of fixes to make on Lemmy, especially on the moderation, management, and content filtering side of things (though apps have been thankfully filling the gaps on some of these issues). Niche communities still need more participation to get off the ground. I'll see again where we are in a few months from now.
I exclusively surf "top 6 hours" and I've actually noticed an uptick in niche community content, lately. Different kind of growth, maybe a sort of settling into itself, finally.
If everyone is browsing by top-6-hour I think we need to rethink the sorting of things.
Oh yeah, the sort here kind of sucks. Also just using the site, you lose your place/sort if you click into a link or the comments. Like, if I'm on page 2 of Top 6 Hours, click a link, and then click back into the scroll.. pretty sure I just see the first page of Active again until I either refresh or change pages.
That could definitely be improved as well.
I don't think Voyager has this problem. Highly, highly recommend, both on desktop and mobile. The UI is slick enough that it's kept me here. All I do is laugh at shit memes but it's perfect
That's a bug they're fixing in the next patch I think
Thank God I thought it was just me!
Are you using any app, or just through a browser? On a mobile browser, I find the back button to take me to the previous page of posts (so if I clicked into a comment thread on page 3, hitting the back button takes me to page 2). It's definitely odd.
Lemmy sorting has shit ever since there was enough content here to make sorting necessary. It's been five months and it hasn't been fixed.
Lemmy desperately needs a fork.
Take a breath. Scaled sort is coming in the next version.
I sort by New. Bring it all on.
I subscribed to the communities I care the most about and sort by subscribed and new. That said, across 20 communities it's probably something like 10-15 new posts per day so after I get through those and interact it's off to all.
But I do try to engage in the communities I want to see grow.
New gets... Weird
That's all I scroll as well. It's not a bad experience over all
Bro, I noticed the same, it has been a long time since I played around with the sort types, I basically settled with Active and hid all seen stuff, now I feel I get different content with other kinds of sorts.
It's very simple, most of the posts here are circle jerks (Linux, FOSS, boy howdy aren't we better than Reddit, communism) or rage bait.
I only come here when I'm having a good day and I want to reel myself in a bit
Edit: see below to see how far Lemmy users will go to circle jerk how much better they are than Reddit
Yeah the "All" in particular is pretty bad for the average person. They're not going to enjoy a Star Trek meme, followed by a Arch meme, a Self-hosted post, a grad-student Science meme, followed by a privacy post.
I'm also convinced Lemmy's "hot" algorithm is broken; I can easily find posts with ONE UPVOTE on the all feed. Hot is supposed to be a balance between acceleration and total vote count, but it seems like it just only acceleration. Go look at the front page of reddit. The difference is night and day.
We need a normie.world that has an "all" feed that doesn't contain 70% niche communities. We have c/humor, c/news, etc but they're completely diluted by overpowered niche posts.
I have a potentially contentious opinion. Normies are what ruined Reddit and the crowd attracted by normie communities are why Reddit is even more toxic than it used to be.
We don't need to attract normies, we just need to attract more people like us.
I don't hate normies by any means, but I don't want to hang out with them all day either.
Also a weirdly large amount of "death to America" and whatnot.
Don't forget firefox
Lol, yesterday it felt like there was at least half a dozen posts about Firefox, mostly claiming that YouTube was slowing them down. Which seemed really bad at first, till I dug into it and saw it was probably an unintended bug with ad handling.
And why were there so many posts? Who wants to see the same post more than once?
While I don't entirely disagree, I'm a little confused by your description of the front page of lemm.ee, which we're both on. My front page when viewing All here is mostly memes/shitposts/news/technology when set to Active sort, is yours not?
I've admittedly blocked a fair amount and have show NSFW/bot posts disabled, but the communities you mention aren't affected by that.
It's called reddit and that's why I left. Fuck the normies. They'll import fascism.
That sounds unnecessarily combative so let me expand my argument.
There's a book called The Authoritarians by a man called Bob Altermyer. Altermyer is now retired but he was a professor of psychology at the University of Manitoba. During his career he did a lot of research into authoritarians, both followers and leaders. In the book he describes for laypeople the experiments and the findings. If you want to do a deep dive into his statistical analysis you can because the whole thing is fully referenced but for people who just want an easy to read description that is also easy to understand then this is the book for you.
After reading the book redditors behaviour became a lot more easy to understand. I was less upset by what was going on but I stopped engaging because I now understood that reddit wasn't a site for me anymore. It was a site for people that enjoyed being normal and doing normal things. And that's ok, why shouldn't they be catered for?
I use reddit and lemmy exclusively on desktop or laptop. So when the app business came up I didn't regard it as my fight, however I thought that if I expected people to stand up for my interests if they are challenged I should show a bit of solidarity with them. So I didn't visit reddit at all for the days it was blacked out. I didn't like how spez reacted. I saw that people were crossing to the fediverse and I took a look for myself. I liked it. I posted. I wasn't attacked for having a non-normie viewpoint. I liked that a lot.
The thing about normies is they don't read scientific studies for fun, they don't like long winded explanations about why the world is the way it is. They think they can see something in the street and extrapolate an entire social policy from it and there are chancers that will tell them, 'You know what? You're right. We don't need experts telling you that you're wrong, what do they know?'
So your Jordan Petersons and your Nigel Farages and Alex whatever his nameis, these people and reddit's normie audience are made for each other. I'll even go as far as to say this extends to the people that think the Democrats or the Labour Party are going to fix their problems, Team Liberal aren't doing themselves any favours but my point is that if your goal is a massive website that caters to the largest part of the reddit audience you're going to end up swimming in cryptofascist and sometimes outright fascist content. Been there, seen that, got the t-shirt.
The echo chamber is as bad as reddit but less diverse and smaller. Sometimes it's really painful.
That's not lemmy, that's all social media (albite divisive topics are a bit different among different communities).
This is a hot take, but I think humanity is slowly turning it's back on social media because of it's toxic nature. You can only open a browser and get your nuts kicked so many times before you finally decide you don't like getting your nuts kicked.
Are you living in a parallel universe or something? Are we talking for the same humanity that is 24/7 on Instagram and on tiktok?
I really wish you're right but I'm afraid that the minorities you may know who just abandoned Facebook are not representing humanity
Hmm, yeah I definitely see how I am biased there. I've been on social media since its inception, so my opinion is likely influenced mostly by people who have experienced social media for ~2 decades and are sick of it now.
Isn't Lemmy suposed to be FOSS? I thought that was the main reason why people left Reddit for Lemmy was that and API changes. Wouldn´t other FOSS be of interestt too? Just a thought.
Reddit's great strength was that it was big enough that niche communities could attract enough users to have interesting conversations and a steady flow of content, and if you are a Reddit refugee looking for those sorts of communities you aren't likely to find them on Lemmy. I've more or less made my peace with that, but if you're not the kind to stand on principle, a falling user count is bad news for the hope that the Fediverse might snowball into the sort of place that can support discussions about your passions and hobbies even if they're not the sort of thing that is popular with a specific set of tech-savvy anti-capitalist leftwing activists (and I say this with love as a fellow tech-savvy leftie... but y'all got one-track minds and it shows in what communities live and die around here).
That's fine, there's intelligent conversation here, it feels like reddit did ten years ago.
Yeah even a pretty unpopular car brand (Infiniti) has a pretty active sub due to the install base. I think I'm the only person here who has posted about it at all on lemmy.
I wish spez hadn't ruined Reddit.
Fuck yes.
Good days are good!
Hey don't forget about the other half of the posts, which are in a language you don't understand. Seriously, my block list is long because language settings here mean nothing, and while I'm sure that's quality content, uh, I can't understand it.
Let's look at some numbers and do some napkin math:
Currently, the top post of Lemmy can usually get a little more than 2K upvotes, which puts Lemmy at about late 2010 to early 2011 reddit level of activity, which is right before reddit hits its explosive growth phase in 2012 with SOPA, Kony, and the Obama AMA. While active user count has been going down, the amount of post and comments have both been steadily going up.
You also have to realize that in more than a decade, there was never a reddit alternative that has EVER hit this level of activity. (unless you count 9gag or the_donald for some reason.)
It's worth noting that Lemmy only had around 1000 active users for the first half of 2023. (Kbin had fewer than 40 active users until May 2023!) Currently Lemmy + Kbin have about 38,000 active users.
That's the reality of where we are. A quiet rural village that turned into a boom town, and now is finding a new normal.
Social media as a whole is slowing down I think. People are starting to realize it makes them angry, sad, and annoyed.
I'm doing the least social media I've done since Facebook became a thing and now I realize that without those emotions I'm just kind of bored.
Find a hobby or learn something. The internet has so much to give that isn't outrage and horror.
He's a guy I like watching now and again building a solar array by himself
Well that was a fascinating watch. Thanks for the link. I'll definitely be watching more of his videos.
*boring
Thanks bud.
Internet in general is becoming boring and tedious. Don't know if it's because of my age (Started to use internet when I was 13yo now I'm 31) but the internet isn't that exciting and curiosity inducing place to me.
Have you continued exploring, or found yourself settling in more?
For me any place stagnates when I start settling into it, so I try to find a new angle, a new question to ask of it, and eventually something gives way to something exciting and fascinating that was right around the corner the whole time.
I continued exploring it. But, aside of one or other interesting sites that catch my attention for long periods of time (e.g. TvTropes), I can't find internet amusing as I used to do in my childhood/teens. Sometimes I pick a good site that keep me entertained while browsing CloudHiker, but isn't the same thing anymore.
This ain't a problem with the internet, it's just because you're getting older and you've seen more things.
I literally bought a Lightphone II because I was spending too much time on reddit. Like, I'd stay in bed for an hour just scrolling.
I've recently slacked off and started keeping my iPhone (on wifi) next to me when I sleep. I loose interest in like 20 minutes.
I've made a point of not posting or commenting on reddit since the recent debacle, but it's really frustrating when I have some OC that would be great for a niche community that just doesn't exist in any real numbers on lemmy.
like Playdate dev or Framework laptop.
There's nothing wrong with browsing your social media whereever that be Facebook or Instagram or messageboards like lemmy reddit or 4chan just as long as it's not impacting your life. Could be a good way to catch up on friends and pass the time. Although "social media detoxing" can be really good for your mental health
Good god, I sure hope so.
Yeah for us oldtimers it was kind of crazy when social media came by, NGL.
Then it got enshittifyed for profit so uh yeah we're in a new normality now where you have to work (a little) for interaction and all that jazz.
IMO.
I won't lie. I mostly don't engage with content I see here. I didn't do that when I was on Reddit either and mostly for the same reason: I don't really have much to say and, even when I do have an opinion, I don't usually want to engage in what's often a protracted debate about something that will probably just end up being frustrating.
That's not to say I haven't had positive experiences on the Fediverse - I've had more here than anywhere else - I'm just not particularly motivated most of the time.
Well, I want to thank you for sharing your thoughts.
There are a number of thread topics on Lemmy that seem to keep going the same direction (Google, Musk, Gaza, Trump, Windows, etc.), and as you say, it can be frustrating and exhausting...
At the same tine on Lemmy, I had found articles that were worthwhile reading, updates to FOSS that I would have otherwise missed, no shortage of silly memes, and a handful of new perspectives that were positively thought provoking. Those let me look past most of the negative things and stuff that is pervasive on all kinds of forums, Reddit and social media on the whole.
I'll happily participate with light-hearted content but otherwise I mostly feel like you when it comes to any polarising topics like politics, etc. I wish there were more content about my areas of expertise so I could participate in that but alas there's mostly developer stuff only. Maybe I'm also not doing my best curating my feed since I tend to mostly browse all.
People had multiple accounts because servers were unstable. Now that stability has increased we're just abandoning the alts.
Personnaly, I'm really enjoying it. You can interact without the Reddit toxicity. I miss a few specialized communities but I can live without it.
The behavior is describe as toxic definitely still exists here, and it's worse because the morons tend to get up voted by other morons.
Yup, Lemmy is just as toxic if not more on some aspects
I think the difference is that I have experienced a lot of people engaging constructively with comments that they definitely wouldn't have on reddit.
(Not that they would have reacted badly, they just wouldn't have gotten responses at all)
That's irrelevant, it shows that the hive mind trends toward the stupid opinion.
Eh, the world news and lemmys covering the wars right now are just as toxic as Reddit.
I'm hoping this place keeps growing though, seems to be stalling but it's worth hanging around for to help see it grow.
If it grows it'll become reddit. I want it to stay like it is now. This makes me happy. I like this.
Yeah Reddit just sucks now. I don't care much about karma, but it can be discouraging to type out a long answer to help someone and just get a downvote with no comment or anything. Over and over again.
The influx of people who don't know how the site is supposed to work, on top of the usual toxicity, has just ruined it for me.
Hah! If I ever mention that I use Windows, Chrome, and I subscribe to YouTube Premium, I'll be publicly hanged on Lemmy. If you don't use Linux, Firefox, and host your own Plex serv... sorry, Jellyfin server, then you're scum. And don't let me start on politics, and especially Israel v. Hamas. Jews should be deathly afraid of a lot of people around here.
All of this has made me less active on Lemmy, and I've started to use Reddit again, albeit a lot less than before. And I do in fact use Fedora, Firefox and host my own media server, but I'm not being an ass about it.
lemmy still isnt nearly as good as reddit was by a long shot. niche communities suck, porn sucks, c/all content isnt bad but if you scroll once youll just repeat everything on refresh.
but god damn the reddit app is terrible now and the content sucks there now too it literally feels like its trying to be a tik tok clone.
We need more idiots who can comment "this" on everything
I mostly lurk so this is me being proactive!
The quality here is far better with the exception of maybe some user generated text stories. Posts don't just get lost in a sea of posts. The users here may not be as many, but it appears to have more consistent engagement and far less people PM'ing me offering me Amazon gift cards for feet pics.
So do the new posts and everything. But Reddit is a shithole and Omegle got sued to death, online gaming is either a full time job or a money sink, streaming services start to cancel out each other and most of the regular games and their performance suck ass.
Guess I’ll just be productive then.
Never!
I will be posting 1 upvote (mine) and 0 comment posts until I die instead of choosing to be productive.
Eyyy, wellcome to enshitification!
Indie games are the only thing keeping gaming alive for me, for the most part. All the AAA games I play are older titles. Doing the GTAV story with a trainer has been a pretty fun time lately for me.
Retro emulation here. 40 years of back catalog games to go through.
Haha i recently got $ 120 worth of converters to get HDMI to SCART to play those old games the way they’re meant to be played.
Extra bought a 16:9 Sony Triniton CRT TV for that.
Output to input: MacBook Air M1 - USB-C - HDMI - YPbPr - RGB (or RCA, the three cables) - SCART - TV
Wait, I just want to make sure I'm getting this. You're going through five converters before plugging into the tv? Counting the computer->USBc as a converter...
Technically yes. In reality it’s just 2 "real" converters who both need their own power supply. Once from digital to HD analogue, and then from that to SD. For input lag, it’s a lot less than the 20 ms of input lag the HDMI 2 input of my Sony Bravia TV.
I bought a $75 handheld emulator lol. Plays up to some PS2 and fits in my pocket. Micro HDMI out turns it to a console too.
I hate to admit this, but I’ve started using Reddit again. It pains me, but there is stuff I just can’t get here.
Same here. I like the idea of Lemmy but the decentralization makes it really difficult to find the content I want. Reddits centralization, while causing some problems, definitely made it easy to find communities. That lack of ease is what makes Lemmy not as easy to use for new people.
there should be a "find the community" or something, where u can post ur niche and ppl will link where they discuss that
There’s also the problem where I totally want to start a community (for example: Marble Racing), but I don’t know where a good home would be for it and I don’t think my home instance would be a good home.
does it really matter that much? If people search it up, it will pop up. Even better if they discover it via a link.
I think it does a bit. The obvious one would be for porn on general purpose instances. Alternatively, my primary instance for example is a bit of a niche one related to reading, so a sports or politics community could feel disjointed especially for the admins/mods who manage the community.
I hear ya, but I can't help ya. Sorry. Good luck tho!
Have you checked out [email protected]? For some reason I don't see it mentioned or linked to much, but it's basically that, which I think would feel much more approachable to new people than pointing them to tools like Lemmyverse (as much as I do really appreciate it).
Another good one for sharing communities you've stumbled across would be [email protected].
Saved both communites, but don't tell me this. Tell it to: @[email protected]
Thanks.
I used from time to time but I just can't forget how shitty they were with the mods and the users overall.
Same here. I lurk more on Lemmy but if I want to discuss some niche topic then Reddit is so easy to I don’t use that fucking app though, website or 3rd party.
Same, but I only use it for TV show discussions. I haven't been on the main page since June.
Posting is half of the fun. Especially contents who bring others to comment and share opinion and new info.
I've gone back to playing old games. It helps
Try Deep Rock Galactic! It is neither a full time job or a money sink. Any purchases are purely cosmetic, seasons are entirely free and there are regular updates.
Why does this matter? Do we need to appease the shareholders or something? Do we need endless month over month growth, lest the world completely stops turning?
Do we need SYNERGIES??!!!?
Less content, that is spread across multiple instances that can have duplicate communities.
You just can't keep doomscrolling here, the "active" search repeats all the time and the "best of the day" is like two pages.
And then there's specific communities that just... Stayed on Reddit.
Coulda fooled me, the content quality has continued to climb, and that's all that matters. Look at this post, it's an original meme only relevant to this community, and it's blowing up.
We should be more active to keep this ship afloat. Don't be stingy with the comments.
Edit: spelling
It really doesn't bother me tbh. The fediverse isn't for everyone and I'd rather people just use whatever platform they prefer than endlessly complaining on Lemmy when it's clearly simply not for them. And that's okay, use whatever platform suits you.
Lemmy is neither popular nor heavily advertised, so people join at a slow rate
On the other hand, the amount political discussions, Hexbear, and lack of content result in disinterested people leaving Lemmy and joining Reddit
So the user count is decreasing because Reddit refugees are leaving faster than new people are joining
If that's not your jam go to your ad filled corpo hellscape and talk to bots 🤷♂️
It feels like there might be room for nuance between these two extremes, perhaps.
It should but not on the internet it seems.
Uh, I don't think many commies think of themselves as future millionaires? Or at least in the conventional sense
Lemmy is whatever we make it, except for the communism posts that love communism until they realize workers need representation. I half believe those are Chinese bots or high school kids who are stupid enough to believe the Chinese bots.
You may wanna try a different instance if all that is getting to you
Or just block some communities
Got new for you champ China doesn't gaf about communism... and they sure as fuck don't care enough to deploy bots on lemmy... The fediverse maybe...
While all of this is great for Russia doing this.
Is there any evidence China does?
Yes. I have posted these links multiple times now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_water_army?wprov=sfla1
Also the fifty cent party a Chinese troll farm based entirely on spreading propaganda for the ccp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party?wprov=sfla1
This took me 5 seconds of research. If were being passive aggressive here ive gotta say. are you sure you didn't get dropped on the head as a baby or eat copious amounts of lead
Right. Magically, everyone on the Internet has become infatuated with communism out of thin air over the last few years. Must just be my paranoia to surggest influence from a hostile government.
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How do you account for the vast amount of anti-CPC Communists, Socialists, and Anarchists, if this "influence from a hostile government" is so effective? Might it be simpler to see that Capitalism's increasing failure has driven more people in developed countries towards radicalization, especially as generations are further removed from the Red Scare?
Homie did you repress COVID? Anyone that wasn't removed about wearing a mask was discussing why this system isn't working for them. Sorry you weren't invited to the discussion.
I prefer social media not based on addiction. Lemmy has been much better for my lifestyle, than my reddit addiction.
As someone who posts a ton, I've noticed that a lot of people seem to check the top posts once a day or so. Posts can be slow to get engagement and traction, but the ones that become super active still seem to hit similar peaks as before (1-2k upvotes, hundreds of comments).
But yeah, people aren't as actively engaged and commenting on everything all day like they used to on reddit. The framework is here, and I think if there were another big exodus, Lemmy is set up to be a great landing point.
But on the other hand reddits comments were frequently shallow and full of annoying jokes. I love reading Lemmy!
This. Quality over quantity. There are much more walls of text, but it's filled with information and humanity. Reddit just became another Meta platform, but for niches. Lemmy has great communities, but all are tech and anti-big-corpo related, I feel right at home :p, but I understand that most don't.
Pun threads on Reddit are the worst. I thought they were funny and clever... In 2009...
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It was better before people absolutely fucking insisted on scraping reddit posts to bring over here. Post after post after post of regurgitated bot posts, without a single comment, no engagement at all. Fun!
Maybe if every community wasn't just another Linux memes community we wouldn't have lost all of the users.
Told you guys this shit was gonna happen.
There are plenty of other communities people made, just most didn't become very active. If the Linux memes are everywhere, it's because those are the people actually active here
It's not that they're not active, it's that every single thread on every single community devolves into linux discussions even if the community isn't in any way supposed to be about Linux.
Also the ones that aren't active aren't active because everyone realized lemmy only caters to like three interests.
We need better moderation so that the communities which are supposed to be about Linux are, and the ones that aren't don't get flooded with it. That way newcomers won't feel like they have no place here unless they're an anti-car, vegan, FOSS user.
If this doesn't happen, lemmy will slowly die and people will have to go to other places like Tildes or back to Reddit.
Personally I don't think I've noticed this. Things devolving into political discussions, sure, but that's par for the course with social media I imagine. I had assumed you meant the prevalence of Linux stuff on the all feed.
No I mean the prevalence of Linux on c/memes, on c/mildlyinfuriating, c/programmerhumor, anywhere but Linux and Linux memes which are specifically designated for that content.
If you haven't seen it on the comments of every possible thread you're either wearing blinders or willfully ignorant. You can't go three comments down on a single post anywhere without someone mentioning Linux and then the whole thread is Linux from there.
I would fully expect Linux content on any community dedicated to technology (i.e. programmerhumor); the rest is totally understandable. Though, I have to agree with @CarbonIceDragon, I really don't see as much Linux content as you seem to - granted I use kbin, not lemmy.
I've read that Lemmy is a bit more personally curated than kbin, is it possible you've just accidentally built yourself a Linux bubble?
Fair enough on programmer humor, but no I don't think I've built any kind of bubble. I only subscribe to those two aforementioned Linux communities, everything else is just bleed over. My feed is pretty well rounded to match what I had going on over at reddit.
Idea: Join me on ![email protected] and help me post more Linux-free train and railway news?
![email protected] auf Deutsch!
Hmm but what kind of software do these trains run on? Allow me to take a moment and explain how switching these operations to Linux could increase schedule reliability while minimizing expenses.
(/s, if needed.. I hope your community grows!)
Thanks. I'd heard they were serving WINE on some trains... (suspicious look)
Dunno if this is default lemmy behavior but you can filter keywords on Voyager (and I'm sure other clients).
Yeah reddit spring user here, I kinda agree. Not that I mind them but there is an awful lot of 'LOL WINDOWS NORMIES LOL' and 'JOKE ABOUT HOW HARD THIS LINUX IS.' is like... allot of the jokes.
A lot of the problems with Linux are the same problems Lemmy has, so it's a really good point.
Do you have a few minutes to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Linus Torvalds?
Personally I only worship Saint IGNUcius https://stallman.org/saint.html
Oh and Satan, I also worship Satan.
I use Linux, I just hate Linux users.
I bet you're a filthy systemd heretic!
I see more people complaining on Lemmy about problems than I do the actual problems they're complaining about.
Just use the thing, and put the content and comments you want on it? You don't have to be a passive observer just staring out the window as monkeys dance for you. Be the monkey. Dance how you want. Eat a banana. Fling poo if that's what you want. Just stop expecting everyone else to create your dream routine and then having a sook because they step-pause-turn-pause-pivot-step-paused when you wanted them to step-pause-turn-pause-pivot-step-step.
I am still on Lemmy. It's still my primary timewaster. I was clean from Reddit until a few weeks ago and I relapsed. The app is shit. Lemmy feels more like what I loved about Reddit but without the content. Reddit still has content but the app doesn't feel good to use.I m stuck going back and forth. First to Lemmy then to Reddit. I'll stick with Lemmy until it gets better or it dies.
tbh its true: apart from my french instance where i like to hang out, most of Lemmy is just memes, Linux related posts, or self hosting posts. No meaningful content for ur average person really. In fact i scroll throu 'All' in new and reach yesterday's posts in just few minutes, given the amount of 'not so meaningful content' i am filtering ..
Lemmy tickles the same part of my brain without all the corporate bs - less content makes me scroll less, but less toxicity makes it worth it
I feel like Ive found my people and I ain't leaving
idk, I'm not going anywhere
I love it here
I'm one of the people who has stopped coming here. I'll keep visiting occasionally but the lack of content and pro-east/anti-west rhetoric is just as irritating as the maga/conspiracy crowds on reddit.
Yeah I lurk most of the time and comment on neutral topics sometimes, but generally the content isn't too engaging.
It's either memes, Linux (or memes about Linux), or this or that type of politics. Lots of bot-generated content, too many American-based sports teams; lots of repeating topic content (e.g. shitload of musk, trump/biden/whatever), lots of community and/or news duplicates. I won't be lying I've seen like 5 reposts of some amd threadripper news in my active feed within 10 pages.
Sometimes I know that engaging into a small comment will yield zero replies, and other times I feel like the response will most likely be frustrating. What I valued about reddit is diverse topic discussions, interesting questions and fun reads. But people seem to have more fun bypassing my anti-politics filters in-between porn. I honestly think we need to revive many communities related to questions, interesting topics, and overall "lets-have-a-chat-on-something" (preferably not related to what I mentioned above, or at least that touches a broader audience).
Do I contribute a lot? Am I the one to tell people what to do? I don't think so, but when I have a will to create some content, that will is usually cut off by zero-to-none expected engagement from other people. People wanna do what they wanna do, I guess. I don't blame em.
It's true and one of the pitfalls of the de-centralized model. As a poster I try to crosspost the same link across servers to multiple communities big and small, as a way for people to "discover" niche communities.
I'm in full agreement on how there should be more laid back "chat about something" content. You might interested in having a look at https://beehaw.org (not federated with LW or SJW), that has ![email protected] and that server might be more your speed, I personally like it a lot. Bee sure to read and follow the spirit of the server rules.
Have you subbed to the various AskLemmy/Ask[instance]/NoStupidQuestions/Out of the Loop communities across here?
To my own amusement, I found sh.itjust.works has several question communities that I tossed some posts to here & there.
Think they were:
[email protected]
[email protected]
And of course, the obligatory:
[email protected]
But besides those and the big AskLemmy communities on World and Lemmy.ml, there's:
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
Also although I haven't sorted out what I might want to post in them, there's these chat communities for other discussing other topics besides those you highlight getting plenty enough discussion:
[email protected]
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My god, the amount of Trump shit I see on here is insane. I despise the cunt, but god damn do I really need to scroll past like 15 posts a day about the shit stain? Even on Reddit they didn't suck his cheeto dick so much
Tbf, I have like 7 accounts and I'm currently only using 2 or 3 since Lemmy servers are much more stable than they used to be
In the early days of Reddit it's motto was fake it until you make it. It was a ghost town so they set up an army of bots to generate content and fake activity. Not much has changed tbh.
There are too many dimwits who think Lemmy was made so that they can build their echo chambers. So, there is no discourse, just stupid people encouraging stupid people. Anyone that comments otherwise is immediately removed.
Most mods are dumdums. Most are obviously politically and ideologically motivated. It's their job to prune anything they disagree with, which means they can't help themselves and ban everyone. Most of the time it's a complete waste of time to comment in smaller subs. The dumdums have taken hold either by making the subs and controlling them, or by volunteering as mods with no oversight.
Happened with Mastodon too, but that's thriving now. Users come in waves. Don't focus on the numbers, focus on the content.
Maybe it’s because nobody is interested in a platform that has a worse circlejerk than even Reddit of all sites?
I want Lemmy to succeed but we need to attract more normies and at the right time when Reddit does something stupid again.
This is normal. Most "alt" services, rely on outrage and shit to grow user base. Reddit will do something stupid and we'll get a huge influx again, some people will stay, others will leave.
One of the other alt sites that I was part of had a meme just for this: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/409/691/008.png
We need something like this drawn up for Lemmy but without the N word.
Ha, I like the meme. Maybe replace the N word with “commie” or an Anime tankie chick. I’m with that last Redditor that stuck around, I’m liking this place. Certainly not the same as Reddit, but it’s got it’s own charm to it that a lot of others have already commented about
Yeah, instead of the N word it would be Star Trek. Voat really turned to a garbage cesspit real quick.
A new forever September.
i love lemmy,
Feels Very circle jerky here. Its low effort commentaries on political issues mostly and extraordinarily little growth of niche interest subs. The lack of content here helps curb my doom scrolling, so that and a real hate for reddit leadership and the pathetic Simps that think writing "fuck Spez" while still contributing content to his network for free is a form of effective protest, are all that keeps me here though.
This is my take on Lemmy as well. I was impacted by the removal of third party apps because I used Reddit as a mobile quick reader between activities where the bite-sized format of title -> elaboration -> brief discussion was great, but maybe a little too much. On Lemmy I don’t feel the need to keep reading. This also means I wasn’t invested enough in Reddit, so when they made clear their disdain for the users, I simply left. Nothing there is important enough to keep going.
Lemmy is definitely lower quality though. All is primarily single topic outrage and there is a significant amount of extreme rhetoric that makes me feel like I’ll be put on a list for reading, which would have been removed on Reddit for lack of civility or worse. The niche things don’t exist and, even if I wasn’t a bite-sized mobile user and had the time or thoughts to form a community, these Reddit clones are always most active at political… discussion users can’t express elsewhere and that tends to kill the niche hobbyists who don’t want to look at or be surrounded by that type of passion. So it’s difficult to curate a personal feed of anything but that.
Lemmy still works for my use case and it’s about the next best thing to Reddit. I do think the “circlejerk” feeling is contributing to the decline though, and wouldn’t be surprised if it ended up like Voat.
Lemmy is cool and all but the amount of communist obsession here is a bit much.
People are leaving lemmy because of the quality of the apps
They are used to using a terrible app that often breaks and spams you with notifications of random posts
I like turtles. Can we have more turtle-centric content?
I find this all very irrelevant. I deleted reddit, account and all, and have never felt better. If I need to tell you you're great more to keep people here, then I will.
Hey, you're great!
Thanks.
I have no intention of leaving
oh my god who cares
It was always bound to happen after a massive user gain. Frankly, we should be quite happy we can get over 400 comments in a thread. That’s not insubstantial for a very niche platform.
A comment to show I'm here!
I’ll throw in a few reasons
-Learning curve is huge compared to other social media
-As soon as an instance gets a large audience hosting costs skyrocket and moderation ability plummets
-The same instance can exist on multiple servers causing the demographic to be split
-Pr0n instances have to take the colossal risk of hosting malicious material that can send them to jail because the data is hosted on their own server
The sad thing is, is not really that more complicated, it's just got a bumpy on-ramp. join-lemmy.org is a lot better than it used to be, but it's still got this anxiety-producing step where you have to select a home server.
i don't care. I came here because i'm so sick of reddit.
I moved to Lemmy over from reddit not because of content or better UI but because people behind reddit seems like jerks to me and i came to realization I'd rather use open source.
What i lack here is information e.g. programming communities in Lemmy are, well, dead. If left on Lemmy things that are "recommended" to me it's sensational "news" that are aimed to spark woke vs others battle in discussion.
So what to make better ?
For me personally, I have less connection to specific subs than back in the reddit days, given its federated nature and all that. I enjoy scrolling through the homepage, but don't really have that specific moment of 'I thought of something nice! That would fit nicely into this one, specific subreddit!'
Which, don't get me wrong, can be a good thing in the long run. But it takes a bit of getting used to.
The people who don't want to stick with Lemmy are the people we don't want on Lemmy.
I see this as a win.
Lemmy was nice at first but the communities now are really unfriendly, there is 0 motivation to create content
I agree. It seems like we got the bad side of Reddit when everyone migrated over
Have you gone back to reddit since this summer? It's noticeably worse. If we got the bad side, the other side is just as bad or worse.
Oh trust me, as someone who's been on many reddit alternatives, we did absolutely not get the bad side of reddit. Maybe the ugly side, at worst
The overwhelming majority of users who came from Reddit seem to be ~19 and lack any degree of EQ, for better and worse. It’s homogenized into the old Reddit crowd but slightly more progressive, which has perplexed me. I still prefer it here, it’s an objectively better time sink than Reddit, especially since they switched their algorithm to cater to fake stories and celebrities. When AITA comes here, I’m moving to mastodon.
Edit: you’re welcome to downvote, it doesn’t change the very noticeable inability to recognize “stallman was right”
The fake stories on reddit were the absolute worst. The #1 reason I stay on lemmy is because I believe most of the stories here and the comments seem like real people.
Why on earth would someone spend their time reading fake stories that pretend to be real, and then have full discussions with bots.
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as a realist, allowing porn would do wonders ngl
What? There already is porn. A lot of it.
Depends on the instance.
this 'instance'-shit isn't helping Lemmy grow tbh
It's the foundational concept of lemmy, and the main protection against enshitification.
This 'instance' shit is the only reason lemmy got popular in the first place
No it got popular because Reddit pissed a lot of people off temporarily. The only thing segregated instances does is confuse and upset the average person. Hell I host like 10 different alternative open source front ends for various websites and I fucking hate Lemmy instances. It makes Discovery new content unbelievably tedious.
What if I just want to browse communities? I can only do that on a per instant spaces, I have to go to that instance go to its communities tabs to browse and then if I find something I want I have to take its address and then go back to my own instance so I can subscribe to it with my account. That pisses me off and makes me not want to bother with it let alone the average user.
The sad state of reality is that centralized systems will always eventually get turned into corporate greed money machines but decentralized instances are by their very nature just shit and hard to work with and no one wants to put up with them.
the whole process needs to be improved, it's ridiculous as of now
Agreed, it was a steep learning curve just to even figure out how to use it. The concept of Lemmy is amazing but like you said, finding content is very unintuitive.
I think if there was some kind of database or reference for instances and the communities they have, it would be way easier to find what you're into. Somebody way smarter than me should look into that ;)
well, theres this: https://browse.feddit.de/
edit: also this: https://lemmyverse.net/communities
If it wasn't for instances, lemmy would just be lemmy.ml, filled with tankies, and unable to handle more than 10K people. You would never have joined.
The reddit exodus only caused people to leave reddit, not join lemmy. There have been dozens of reddit alternatives over the years and many of them were around at the time of the reddit exodus. Why do you think they all failed?
@[email protected]
I'm here because reddit is fuck and my favorite reddit app converted to Lemmy, and I'm certain that was a bigger reason for lemmy's popularity growth than instances ever was
See my other reply
The
instance shitmeans that no single entity holds all the power over Lemmy.That sentence makes no sense. That's like saying "this 'website'-shit isn't helping the internet grow tbh."
Instances are Lemmy. They're all seperate platforms that just so happen to share stuff and use mostly the same code. It's just people hosting their own social media sites.
The main reason lemmy isn't growing is because of the userbase. Alot of the things I say are opinions. But this is just a fact the userbase is incredibly toxic. Especially folk from lemmygrad and prehaps lemmyml lemmyworld instances as well. A good marjority of 4channers are less toxic than a good chunk of lemmy users I would say
Give it time.
There is no way in the fucking world someone is going to ask me to feel bad about a social media platform failing in 2023. Like, get fucked.
It's because when you go to /c/books , the default view is not every /c/books on every server. But one /c/books on one server. Therefore Lemmy is doomed and the dev refuse by principle to fix it.
Wtf is Misskey?
It's a (mostly) Japanese Fediverse social media network with a fuckton of cute emoji reactions, static and animated.
::: spoiler Screenshot :::
Firefish (was Calckey) seems to be based off of this.
Well, Lemmy is really not good at pushing new content/new posts and/or new communities to people. For many of us, that might be a boon: less algorithmic shenanigans, less "steering" of the user. Yet, if you are not a user who likes to actively seak out stuff, your feeds will look stale and slow-paced very quickly. There might be new stuff,.but the feeds struggle to find a middle ground between "only the upvoted stiff you subscribed to", "the always same server wide top posts" and "bleeding edge new stuff". It's also very reluctant to sprinkle on new communities.
I think that's a main contributor to the decline.
For the record: kbin is more liberal when it comes to that sort of stuff. So if you like a more active feed, you might want to try kbin. If you like your feed to be controlled by you more, use Lemmy.
How can we grow lemmy? I would honestly interact here a lot more if we had an active ML community like reddit or twitter.
But since it is a small community, maybe we can do interactive things more often?
I’ve stopped posting in a few communities due to user interaction. Some are just asses, some want this to be Reddit 2.0.
I begrudgingly installed the Reddit app yesterday as I missed the content.
I think I gave cold turkey lemmy only long enough to give it a fair chance at filling that gap but now I browse both again now :/
Do we have stats so we can compare dates of drops in active users against defederation events? Every time a major instance defederates I resist the strong urge to abandon the defediverse.
https://fedidb.org/current-events/threadiverse
This defederations are so stupid lame. Lemmy.world is the worst
Degrowth happened. Anyway.
So just say anything?
Oh onion, you crazy allium. Your opinions really stink ya know that?
Supercommunities
I still have Reddit; I haven't used it in a while though
Yep... You're right.
I mean my accounts keep getting banned pretty much just for commenting on worldnews threads these days so idk.
Because this place sucks if you're not an edgelord or looking for anime porn.
Network Effect
Probably because of bad memes with bizarre phrases like "user is keep"
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