The ribs in the front isn’t a good sign. She’s going to die if she doesn’t slow her roll and get some help. That one Nancy girl from stranger things is like this too.
It's like the industry haven't learned to raise child actors the way that Harry Potter's kids grew up, and I consider them largely down to earth and sane.
Very much so. I think it's the very long hangover from the "Protestant Work Ethic" which was always just a moralistic way for bosses to punch down on their worker-slaves. Things like "quiet quitting" and so on are a response to that, but you're right that it has permeated every aspect of American culture. It's a broad and deep problem.
the hollywood look, face(equivalent to mar-a-lago face to stay in trumps inner circle) to stay in hollywoods inner circle for acting jobs. for women it has to be 20-something always to stay in hollywood roles, for men its on peds,roids. and both engage in botox, plastic surgery, otherwise they might not get any acting jobs. just look at the ISAIP actors, rob, kaitlyn, glenn.
this aside from the legacy actors who are older and have significant connections.
i would have guessed that the low blood sugar would be the bigger problem ... blood sugar too low for too long -> body cannot maintain vital functions.
Yeah I'm sure that is a problem too.
Not to mention all the other malnutrition effects.
Scurvy.
Low vitamin D
Low vitamin B1 leads to specific memory neurons dying. Permanently. That's why long term alcoholism causes permanent memory impairment.
Anemia from low iron
It's also super important that you have salt in your diet. And vitamin k.
I'm not sure how long you can go without those but probably not that long.
i think until 2020 it's just aging and makeup. maybe some weight loss but lots of people age like that. after that though i don't even know what's happening
Up to 2020 looks like becoming an adult and losing kid cheeks to me. I won't comment on 2021, because yikes (plus her makeup obscures her facial structure), and 2023 looks like she’s too thin or got work done. More recent pictures make it more obvious that she’s getting thinner and thinner though.
2018 was the red flag. She could be accused of masking as Hispanic before, but that could be explained by a change in diet and a summer tan. 2018 is the hard, The Emperor Has No Cloths moment where everyone knew something was wrong, but wouldn't say anything to her face about it.
Yeah, 2018 is fucked up and here likely indicates some sort of psychological issue, but there’s a long tradition of white people exploiting other people’s cultures for financial gain. It’s not an automatic red flag for mental illness for me in general.
Yeah it's sad that she has issues and that's what the post is about, but have you heard about how "white people" are always exploiting everyone's else's "culture"?
eh looks the opposite to me. 2011 looks like a lot of white foundation or whatever tf it's called. after that she seems to have eased up on whitening herself. except 2021 obv.
In fairness they might have seen her in her asian phase, or country white phase, or latina phase... She's basically been a chameleon.
It's due to that that I'm not sure at this point if this is also a phase she's doing for attention and next she'll do fat girl since she ran out of races to cosplay as. She hasn't exactly been a reliable source.
You are not entirely wrong. There was a bombing terrorist attack after one of her shows in the UK that killed 22 people, but she was not one of the victim.
I've got sympathy for her going through anorexia, but that doesn't really absolve her from being a generally kinda shitty person. She doesn't deserve anorexia but she's still just another rich asshole fuckin up the youth.
I’m been trying to figure out what she did to her face for the longest and I finally found out she had several different face lift operations. Brow lift being the one that made her eyes look dead inside. She definitely has some form of body dismorphia
I mean that's been obvious since the start. Since around when she was on nickelodeon she was on the eating disorder side of Tumblr. Having been famous for long unfortunately is only going to make that worse since beauty standards are so extremely fucked, especially for those in the public eye
I went to read a few articles after seeing this post. They all cite "fans" criticizing "body-shaming" her for being "too thin". I don't think those people ever knew someone who had anorexia or how dangerous this is.
It can be deadly, but you can recover from it. I do not think you can ever be really cured of the mentality, but it is possible to get it under control.
Yeah a loved one of mine was hospitalized and institutionalized for it for a brief time years ago. They've since learned to control it and be generally pretty healthy in size.
Ariana Grande is a shitty and classist person, and she's dying.
It's baffling to see so many people, not even able to live paycheck to paycheck, foam at the mouth when it's correctly pointed out she's dangerously starving. Her dumbfuck cult of a fanbase are witnessing her commit suicide via ED, and scream at anyone pointing it out as "body shaming".
I mean, this is the same bitch who said she hates Americans because they're fat (something that correlates to poverty). She also has used her body to sell countless products to young impressionable girls who will never be able to achieve her body size without also engaging in starvation.
This isn't just a return to the "heroine chic" EDs of the early 2000s, this is going far past that. This is the "3 minutes from dying" chic. This will have dire consequences on young people's psyche for a whole generation.
Empathy is wasted on those who'd never give it in return.
She's a hyper-elite, classist, fatphobic rich kid who's actively using her starving body in a way that's extremely detrimental to the mental and physical health of young, impressionable people, and she keeps indicating she's perfectly aware of it.
Empathy is objectively wasted on those who do not return it.
Your cope is weakness and the type of pussy shit that enables bad people to gain power and influence.
How many people thought just like you about MAGAts? And now look, their fascist is president again, genocide and child rape included, and they cheer it.
I think she uses her starving body as a product to influence impressionable young women to idolize her body and aspire to try to be like her at the expense of their mental and physical health.
Don't be a fucking moron. She isn't doing any of this shit in isolation.
Ha! In my case I noticed that my comment basically duplicated another and was redundant. I want to make an Ariana Grande "duplicated thus deleted" comparison but I simply don't know enough about celebrities to do so and you know what, I'm okay with that.
Don't particularly care, except for that she is essentially just promoting anorexia to her fanbase of young girls who don't know better, which is pretty fucked up because Ariana should know better.
The thing is, she most definitely doesn’t know better right now in the depths of anorexia. Anorexia warps your sense of reality and self, and it's also a competitive disorder (hence, the “flaunting” many people suffering from it do). I mean, in the music video, there’s a note that says “couldn’t hurt to lose a few pounds” while she looks like that, so she’s obviously not in her right mind. I blame her management, executives, team, family, and friends for enabling her.
If you watch the full video though she's obviously "opposed" to the critique she's getting from the judges (the note), as she goes full Carrie on them in the end. The other girls celebrate her for it. My takeaway is that the pressure put on women is the men's fault, and women want to be free of it.
And I'm guessing the contents of the notes are real comments she's gotten over the years, not self-written notes to her current self. I don't see how you can read it any other way than this video being about revenge and freedom.
That said, I agree she looks sick and needs to heal from all of the pressure put on her. Obviously it's affected her a great deal. But I can't help to read this video as a means to get there, like public therapy, sort of.
I watched it, and I just don’t buy this explanation when, in the same video, she’s purposely wearing stuff meant to accentuate her bones and figure. The “industry critique” aspect of the music video just falls flat. Someone on another platform said it better than I could: the fact that in a gore/horror-themed MV Ariana’s real-life body is the scariest part says it all. Ironically, I think the best “industry critique” is one she didn’t even mean, when she reads the innocuous note, “You bloom wherever you’re planted” (you become famous if, when, where, and how the ones at the top want you to).
So the video accentuates how thin she is, then shows her negative response to the group that told her to be thinner... that all sounds consistent with criticising that kind of commentary to me.
I'm not going to comment on how thin she is, but that explanation seems the most likely, else why would the note be in there at all?
No, it’s the fact that the video glamorizes how emaciated she is, which is incompatible with seeing “could lose a few pounds” as a negative, since she’s flaunting the end stage of being skinny. You can’t critique something you’re the personification of and trying to paint as normal. “Couldn’t hurt to lose a few pounds” is exactly the deadly lie anorexics tell themselves because of the delusional thinking fueled by their disorder.
But it’s clear to me by now that you’re not engaging in good faith.
i feel pity for her of course. also, thanks lemmy o grant me (a 47yo dude, basically listening to either deadmau5 or Motörhead) a peek into today's pop stars, so that I can have an awareness discussion on this body image thing with my 14yo pop culture sensitive daughter. i don't think she's got a body image problem, but good to nail it now.
She's an easily influenced influencer. Remember her licking doughnuts as a trend? She was with "friends" at the time.
Similar to Will Smith, she's a rich kid with a ton of insecurities and lots of bad acquaintances. She'll keep making mistakes because that kind of negativity leads your thoughts astray easily and you need something grounded to keep you going. I'm not sure she has that something to hold on to.
Guess Jaden could fit too, but I meant Will himself when he became rich from Prince of Bel Air.
He did some silly things back then after gaining his independence (day) and almost lost it all.
I don't get eating disorders (specifically the one where you want to look like a ghoul). Stuffing yourself makes sense to me, you wanna eat food and can't stop I guess, but not eating??? Like you enjoy starving?
Meaning you can't empathize? Lucky you, I guess. I had so much anxiety around eating for so long, and it's not unusual. Until I was 25, never put one piece of food in my mouth without thinking about the calories and how it would make me fat. I'm sure she looks in the mirror and still sees fat.
Yes more people have eating disorders in the other direction, and will eat when stressed. I have trouble wrapping my mind around that. It's been half my lifetime since I recovered but I still can't eat when stressed.
It's heartbreaking and eventually fatal if you keep restricting. Skinny is not automatically unhealthy, body types do differ.
There's plenty of pressure on women to be small, and when your life is out of control, one thing you can control is eating. It is oddly easy to fall into disordered territory.
Thanks, your shared experience provided me some new insight. I thought it was just the continued desire to starve and not the fact that it's a state of mind. Even if she's at the lowest body fat she could possibly get, her mind might still tell her to go even further, which kind of solidifies that it's a disorder.
Some people describe visual hallucinations as a component of body dysmorphia. Folks like this with serious eating disorders (like, going to kill themselves serious) are actually acting out of a delusion, not misinformed, rational thought.
The whole thing about eating disorders is that no part of it is about enjoyment. Generally they're psychological/other issues that ends up skewing how the person views and interacts with food on a fundamental level.
Social pressures. Yes, being hungry is uncomfortable and even can hurt, but if you ignore it long enough, it can sometimes become a bit more like background noise. I have always been a healthy weight, but my entire life I have had the paranoia of becoming fat. And so I am very accustomed to feeling hungry. When they started me a psych med that people can easily gain weight on, I started monitoring my weight more closely. Often, I go to bed with hunger pangs.
Quite frankly, I never understood how people are able to eat as much as I see them eat and still maintain a normal weight. I have always needed to eat less than others to maintain a healthy weight. My coworkers will eat 3 meals a day and be a healthy weight, but I have to eat 1 regular meal, 1 small meal, and maybe 1 small snack to stay a health weight. I'm guessing it's because I'm shorter so there is less mass at a healthy weight. Sucks.
It could be the pressure of 'staying pretty'
making them hate themselves for eating to the point of detriment.
I understood that ozempic, the weight loss drug, is also widely used, which could be additional peer pressure.
These people are constantly scrutinised under a microscope, it's a lot to handle.
Obviously all speculations, there could be other reasons.
No one cares about her, she’s just their cash cow. The second pic is from her newest music video, "Petal," released a few days ago. The fact that a whole team approved a video that's blatantly pro-ana content (body checking/bonespo) for a mainstream pop star with a young, female fanbase is disgusting. Eating disorders are socially contagious, but I guess all publicity is good publicity to them.
No argument form me, with the introduction of GLPs we have circled back to promoting anorexia to the next generation of young women.
Obviously the publisher don't care about that, same as with any big corporation. The only thing that matters is line going up.
Brothers and sisters in christ, in this, the year of our lord two thousand and twenty six WHY THE EVERLOVING HELL ARE EATING DISORDERS STILL A THING?!?! There should be enough celebrity push back on these warped managers and available information about this on the internet to shut down their body shaming bullshit, FFS. Get this chick dinner with Queen Latifah and Sir Mix A Lot STAT.
Fried okra, red beans & rice, and some collard greens should do the trick me thinks.
I genuinely believe its worse now than 2018, what with the mass marketing of GLP1 (or similar medicine), and the rise in popularity of the Looksmaxxing bullshit.
The truth is, billion-dollar corporations go out of their way to brainwash the masses that these body types, that are entirely unachievable for the hyper-majority of the population, are THE sex standard. They use this to convince impressionable and desperate people alike to buy buy buy to try to look like this.
The celebrities/models who profit off of it like Ariana Grande are just as guilty. People wanna talk about how EDs warp people's minds. However, I don't think its rational to suggest Ariana, and every other major figure, isn't aware of what they're doing. She's made references to it in social media, at least one if her new songs, and always constantly puts emphasis on her exposed bones in front of every available camera.
Yeah it's so fucked up, sex with someone that skinny is straight up painful, their bones cause bruises on you, there's nothing sexy about banging a skeleton. Yet, these sick fuckers controlling the media want their stars like this, emaciated and fully under control.
On the other hand people pretend that being 5 foot 4 and 130lbs is some impossibly thin unrealistic goal when twenty years ago you'd have been called fat. It's definitely not fat, but it sure isn't thin either.
Pro-tip: the community’s description explicitly states: “Anything and everything goes. Memes, Jokes, Vents and Banter.” Consider this a vent.
Also, content policing on a platform as small as Lemmy makes no sense. This also isn’t the first snarky, smart-ass comment you’ve left on my posts, which is also weird.
I try to write what I think directly, no snark or smart assery intended, I just don't want heartfelt posts about serious stuff mixed up in my genuine shitposts.
This is a very distressing picture, and a incredibly sad topic.
"shitpost" is generally understood to have humor as one of the defining characteristics.
So, i'm sure you can see that this might make people point out that this might be the wrong area for this, and frankly can seriously harsh someones buzz if they just want to look at some fun memes and get a left hook right in the feels.
Yeah dude, lemmings will follow you around and downvote all your comments if you call em out for stupid bullshit, or even just generally disagree with them. God forbid you manage to trigger a tankie brigade, they'll follow you around for a month with alts and sockpuppets.
Which are very good medicines used successfully to fight obesity. Let's not blame the medication here. They however should be used by people who are actually struggling with obesity and not already fit people who want to lose weight for esthetic reasons. And why a doctor would ever prescribe them to someone who is clearly already under weight and possibly struggling with an eating disorder is beyond me.
Also I don't believe she is using any of those kinds of drugs. These kinds of eating disorders are mental health issues and have been recognized as such for decades. People have been suffering from this kind of thing long before weight loss medication became a reality. You don't need your body to tell you not to eat if your mind already does so.
From licking that donut to how pretentious and annoying her and that black chick were on that movie premiere tour to the ultra processed sliced deli meat brand of music she puts out that's like so much else out there and her thinking she's something special? I really don't like her.
Y'all are gonna feel like shit if it turns out she has some weird incurable cancer. Well. Sort of. She's probably also terrible personally but y'all are being weird about the possible ED thing.
i mean YES, she is anorexic and probably has an eating disorder. she's still cute though, just not as cute as she was before. i think a lot of it has to do with how celebrities that were beautiful dont come to terms and deal well with aging, so they try to get surgeries and go anorexic and shit like that trying to look 20 when they're 35. they need to let go.
Hey so, people dont become anorexic bevause they think being slim is pretty :) there are many reasons people might develop eating disorders that include but aren't limited to things like stress, disgust with youre situation and feeling ill along with societal pressure and unhealthy work environments you can find in things like the show business! So disrespectfully never say this about a girl again and type with both of your hands after thinking long and hard about celebrities and public figures still being people that can experience issues beyond wanting too look pretty because youre coming over as a fine 'gentleman' with inflated masculinity shoved up your ass by society!
What a strange thing to say as a reaction to someone expressing worries about someone else's health. "She might be unhealthy but she is still cute in my eyes, which is all that matters." That is how it sounds.
didn't say that's all that matters. just wanted to point out she wasn't hideous. i feel like people are reacting like she's ugly now when she's not. if she were reading this i'd want to reassure her that she's still got beauty and she might be unhealthy now and it's affecting her appearance but it isn't game over for her, she's still attractive and she can fix this and still be healthier and better looking. like it isn't all doom and gloom for her
she still got beauty [...] it isn't game over for her
"I am not reducing her to her appearance, but if she wasn't pretty in my opinion, it would be game over for her" that is how this reads. Look at the votes and realise that is what you sound like. If you feel and think differently to that, reflect on how you communicate your thoughts. I doubt you would want to tell e.g. a close female friend something that she would understand like that.
Your whole statement circles around the idea that while you agree that she is less healthy, she is still pretty and consequently, you think she will be fine. And that might be a understandable (while sad) perspective from a business perspective but you joined a conversation about her health. By moving the conversation away from her health towards her beauty (a very subjective matter, which is especially important in situation), you are communicating that you believe that a focus on her beauty is relevant.
Now i understand that you might be reacting to other people's comments and you feel like they called her ugly and you don't think she is. But instead of stating that, e.g. by saying "while it seems like she is less healthy right now, let's not call her ugly, that is just mean. And personally, i still think she is pretty" but by saying things that imply that her value is in her matching your aesthetic sense.
I want to assume that your heart is in the right but your words are not.
'You are beautiful' is a normative statement about 'beauty' which is put on women as their 'value'. You're essentially saying 'well she still has value because she is pretty'. And that's exactly the kind of shit that leads to unhealthy coping strategies etc
Like, she doesn't 'have value' because she's 'beautiful'. She just does. End of story. Putting this pressure on people, 'good' or 'bad' is still putting this pressure on people, what's so hard to understand there.
i feel like you're making assumptions here that i said her value only comes from her beauty. i think beauty adds to value but it's not the only thing that matters for women OR men either for that matter. she clearly is going through the surgeries and anorexia because she cares about her appearance, so why is stating she still looks fine and isn't ugly a bad thing? imo beauty does give you some value at least in a superficial sense. we aren't robots, we have attraction to things and a positive attraction is a positive value.
For a lot of people with eating disorders any comment about their appearance and attractiveness will only fuel the eating disorder. If they get lots of compliments when they're dangerously skinny then they'll obviously conclude "this is good I need to be skinny/skinnier." However, when people say things like you did like "they were cuter before" it almost always spirals the person into trying to "fix" their appearance even more
You have to remember that unfortunately people with eating disorders do not see themselves objectively and they often are not thinking straight bc their body is struggling to survive. So even if you're trying to say something positive, that's not necessarily going to be the effect it has on the person. This is why it's important to generally center the discussion around having a healthy lifestyle rather than appearance (actually being healthy, not when people use the word "healthy" to disparage anyone bigger than a size 2)
Also additional note that isn't necessarily to do with this conversation, but people with eating disorders will often have their weight fluctuate drastically. Bc their eating habits are so inconsistent, their bodies get used to holding onto as much as they can, so it's common for people with eating disorders to rapidly gain weight and then rapidly lose it, in a cycle. And of course, when they lose the weight people will compliment them usually, thus fueling the eating disorder. This is why it's generally best to never comment on someone's weight unless you know them really well and they've specifically been talking about losing weight in a healthy way. (And even then the focus should be on the benefits of the change like "you seems so much more energetic now/you look more comfortable in yourself" rather than their weight directly)
I don't think you meant anything bad by your comment. I just think you don't know much about eating disorders so this is a good learning opportunity
Thanks for your comment. I think you stated it well and i think you are right about him.
But I think his comments heavily imply that her beauty is the most important value to her (maybe he means it from a business perspective and then he might not be wrong... sadly).
So i think it is lack of knowledge AND poor phrasing and reflection.
Cmon no one deserves this kinda shit she is getting pushed from all sides to be all kinds of shit and it clearly made her very unwell you can belive she is a bad person and stuff but she is still a human. She is a really publuc figure too so this will def influance yunger folk
I dont really have much sympathy. This is something she is doing to herself because she is dumb. Probably lots of people tried to talk her out of it but she doesn't listen.
Some people have to have their own misery to learn from it.
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God she used to be so gorgeous. It's a real shame.
Maybe she can find a role in a WWII movie.
Unfortunately she's too light to be in a modern concentration camp move.
The ribs in the front isn’t a good sign. She’s going to die if she doesn’t slow her roll and get some help. That one Nancy girl from stranger things is like this too.
It's like the industry haven't learned to raise child actors the way that Harry Potter's kids grew up, and I consider them largely down to earth and sane.
Not everyone is like Chris Columbus in this regard
She's not my favorite singer by any means, but it's still sad.
She needs to go to every southern smoke house in Texas, Atlanta, Florida and SOCAL.
She needs to EAT.
Dreamland Ribs in Tuscaloosa, they bring you a whole loaf of white bread per rack.
Dang legit
I don’t understand horny Hollywood executives who hold a lot of power.. like why is their fetish bony, malnutrition women.
america has a "suffering is good, actually" culture. you see this in every aspect in life, especially work culture, it seems to me (as an outsider)
As an insider I think you are right. We seam to have this cultural competition to see who can claim be the most traumatized.
Very much so. I think it's the very long hangover from the "Protestant Work Ethic" which was always just a moralistic way for bosses to punch down on their worker-slaves. Things like "quiet quitting" and so on are a response to that, but you're right that it has permeated every aspect of American culture. It's a broad and deep problem.
Pedophilia, thinner = younger
It's getting harder and harder not to think this
the hollywood look, face(equivalent to mar-a-lago face to stay in trumps inner circle) to stay in hollywoods inner circle for acting jobs. for women it has to be 20-something always to stay in hollywood roles, for men its on peds,roids. and both engage in botox, plastic surgery, otherwise they might not get any acting jobs. just look at the ISAIP actors, rob, kaitlyn, glenn.
this aside from the legacy actors who are older and have significant connections.
Control.
Once the body uses up fat reserves it starts using muscle. Indiscriminately.
Including the heart.
This is why so many people with eating disorders die from cardiovascular complications.
i would have guessed that the low blood sugar would be the bigger problem ... blood sugar too low for too long -> body cannot maintain vital functions.
Yeah I'm sure that is a problem too.
Not to mention all the other malnutrition effects.
Scurvy. Low vitamin D Low vitamin B1 leads to specific memory neurons dying. Permanently. That's why long term alcoholism causes permanent memory impairment. Anemia from low iron It's also super important that you have salt in your diet. And vitamin k.
I'm not sure how long you can go without those but probably not that long.
Also brain.
Brain is not ever reduced to an energy source. However with less energy in the body, it doesn't get the energy it needs.
Someone get this woman some beans and corn, stat! It's not too late to save her!!
anorexic
We’re at the point in the documentary, shortly before the person’s death, where people are asking why no one did anything
They usually ask that after they die. Right now, there's nothing anybody can do.
People have been calling her out. Just the people near her just tell her what she wants to hear so they keep getting paid.
I've seen jokes about the race shifting but holy cow the jokes were true.
It's actually insane that's all the same person. I would assume that those are pictures of like 4 different people.
Anything past 2013 looks weird. 2011 doesn't even look like the same person
i think until 2020 it's just aging and makeup. maybe some weight loss but lots of people age like that. after that though i don't even know what's happening
Up to 2020 looks like becoming an adult and losing kid cheeks to me. I won't comment on 2021, because yikes (plus her makeup obscures her facial structure), and 2023 looks like she’s too thin or got work done. More recent pictures make it more obvious that she’s getting thinner and thinner though.
2018 was the red flag. She could be accused of masking as Hispanic before, but that could be explained by a change in diet and a summer tan. 2018 is the hard, The Emperor Has No Cloths moment where everyone knew something was wrong, but wouldn't say anything to her face about it.
Yeah, 2018 is fucked up and here likely indicates some sort of psychological issue, but there’s a long tradition of white people exploiting other people’s cultures for financial gain. It’s not an automatic red flag for mental illness for me in general.
Yeah it's sad that she has issues and that's what the post is about, but have you heard about how "white people" are always exploiting everyone's else's "culture"?
For financial gain no less?
I know the phrase "It's ok to be White" is a loaded phrase with a lot of bad history, but maybe someone should tell Ariana that.
eh looks the opposite to me. 2011 looks like a lot of white foundation or whatever tf it's called. after that she seems to have eased up on whitening herself. except 2021 obv.
Who is this?
Ariana Grande, if you aren't being sarcastic.
Which one is Ariana? Who's the other one?
Both pictures are of the same person.
I think she's Ariana Minuta now.
In fairness they might have seen her in her asian phase, or country white phase, or latina phase... She's basically been a chameleon.
It's due to that that I'm not sure at this point if this is also a phase she's doing for attention and next she'll do fat girl since she ran out of races to cosplay as. She hasn't exactly been a reliable source.
I wasn't, I don't recognise faces very well and it's not mentioned in the comments as far as I can see. Thank you.
For some reason I thought she was already dead, I thought a crazy fan suicide bombed her or something.
You are not entirely wrong. There was a bombing terrorist attack after one of her shows in the UK that killed 22 people, but she was not one of the victim.
I just couldn't tell, no shade upon you.
There is just a lot of snark regarding the situation. Ultimately she is ill and I don't see the point in painting it as anything but or adding drama.
Her gig in Manchester was bombed a couple of years ago.
Thank you for asking, I couldn’t tell either.
I had to ask my girlfriend if it was the same person in both pictures and confirm she was indeed that Ariana something I know nothing about
Like Karen Carpenter. So sad to see in happen but not much that can be done by fans.
She need Megan Trainor to let her know it's all about the bass
Nah, Megan got on those weight loss pills and is also slim now.
Well maybe Adele will step in to help
What a shame
Some people in the comments need to read up on what eating disorders are and fix their hearts
Lemmy (and reddit and all of social media) tend to be pretty cruel to anyone who is famous whenever they slip.
Being as rich as she is is already "slipping" to me. I'm sorry, but I don't feel particularly bad for her.
I've got sympathy for her going through anorexia, but that doesn't really absolve her from being a generally kinda shitty person. She doesn't deserve anorexia but she's still just another rich asshole fuckin up the youth.
When we saw Wicked, I turned to my wife and said "someone needs to fix that girl a sandwich."
Seriously though, it's sad to see. No healthy person is that skinny.
wasnt one of the co-actors also as skinny too.
Some video of hers came on my spouse's Spotify just now, and we both said the same exact thing. Except cheeseburger instead of sandwich.
Humans need muscle mass and bone density. Please, it's ok.
cheeseburgers are sandwiches
Not all sandwiches are cheeseburgers.
Yet.
Is this a threat?
It's a treat
No.
It's a promise.
You see, cheese, itself, has a certain set of skills...
got em
Pizza is also a sandwich.
No, pizza is a pie. Hot dogs and tacos are sandwiches, though.
I’m been trying to figure out what she did to her face for the longest and I finally found out she had several different face lift operations. Brow lift being the one that made her eyes look dead inside. She definitely has some form of body dismorphia
I mean that's been obvious since the start. Since around when she was on nickelodeon she was on the eating disorder side of Tumblr. Having been famous for long unfortunately is only going to make that worse since beauty standards are so extremely fucked, especially for those in the public eye
It's really sad
Filler injections around the eyes makes the eyes look sunk in.
Ariana Grande’s super fans will shamelessly argue that she’s healthy, nothing’s wrong, and that the elephant in the room shouldn’t even be mentioned
bulimia/anorexia/dis-morphia is a hell of a drug
I went to read a few articles after seeing this post. They all cite "fans" criticizing "body-shaming" her for being "too thin". I don't think those people ever knew someone who had anorexia or how dangerous this is.
For what I have heard, it's a deadly disease, no way out. But maybe medicine has moved forward since that was true.
It can be deadly, but you can recover from it. I do not think you can ever be really cured of the mentality, but it is possible to get it under control.
Yeah a loved one of mine was hospitalized and institutionalized for it for a brief time years ago. They've since learned to control it and be generally pretty healthy in size.
Relevant timing: https://people.com/ariana-grande-taking-step-back-after-tour-amid-public-health-scrutiny-rep-exclusive-12032395
Ariana Grande is a shitty and classist person, and she's dying.
It's baffling to see so many people, not even able to live paycheck to paycheck, foam at the mouth when it's correctly pointed out she's dangerously starving. Her dumbfuck cult of a fanbase are witnessing her commit suicide via ED, and scream at anyone pointing it out as "body shaming".
I mean, this is the same bitch who said she hates Americans because they're fat (something that correlates to poverty). She also has used her body to sell countless products to young impressionable girls who will never be able to achieve her body size without also engaging in starvation.
This isn't just a return to the "heroine chic" EDs of the early 2000s, this is going far past that. This is the "3 minutes from dying" chic. This will have dire consequences on young people's psyche for a whole generation.
Yeah, but she's still a person and we can feel empathy for her without condoning anything else she has done.
Empathy is wasted on those who'd never give it in return.
She's a hyper-elite, classist, fatphobic rich kid who's actively using her starving body in a way that's extremely detrimental to the mental and physical health of young, impressionable people, and she keeps indicating she's perfectly aware of it.
Feel no empathy for this rich piece of shit.
Okay, I do. Empathy is never wasted.
Empathy is objectively wasted on those who do not return it.
Your cope is weakness and the type of pussy shit that enables bad people to gain power and influence.
How many people thought just like you about MAGAts? And now look, their fascist is president again, genocide and child rape included, and they cheer it.
Yep, and I still feel bad when bad things happen to people. Compassion doesn't make me any weaker than anger makes you strong.
Are we positive she has erectile dysfunction?
Thank you! Perfect!
It’s “heroin Chique “ not heroine which is the female form of hero
Chic
Autocorrect is a bitch, whatever.
This is a return to Karen Carpenter.
... Do you think she's suffering from an ED to intentionally hurt others? Is she being mentally unwell at you?
I think she uses her starving body as a product to influence impressionable young women to idolize her body and aspire to try to be like her at the expense of their mental and physical health.
Don't be a fucking moron. She isn't doing any of this shit in isolation.
Lol wtf are you on? What does Ariana get out of that? Skinny fans?
You know she sells beauty products and fashion that is specifically catered to her aesthetic and her body type, right dipshit?
I think you got autocorrected from chic to chick.
What is ED ?
Eating Disorder(s)
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Ha! In my case I noticed that my comment basically duplicated another and was redundant. I want to make an Ariana Grande "duplicated thus deleted" comparison but I simply don't know enough about celebrities to do so and you know what, I'm okay with that.
Just downright sad.
oh hey, we're back to the issue with size zero we had when I was a kid.
I'll be so pissed if Twiggy/Heroin Chique comes back into vogue. I was rather enjoying pop stars having hips/ass.
When they toss it, and leave it, that lets us pull in quick to retrieve it.
Ariana Pequeno now
Actually 🤓 Ariana Piccolo, her surname is from Italian origins
Ariana Venti?
You're confusing Starbucks with anything Italian. They're an entirely American purveyor of milk shakes.
While we're at it, there are Sbarro locations in 28 countries.
AFAIK, Italy isn't one of them.
That's because it provides an authentic, New York slice. XD
(According to Michael Scott.)
I certainly haven't seen one in 10 years of living in Italy. But they might hide one in Milano.
Starbucks has arrived, though. Just a handful in the largest cities. I haven't been inside one, but I hope they're full of tourists.
That's even bigger. You want Ariana Tall.
¿sería Pequeña, no?
Sip, se debería usar Pequeña
Si hablas portugués, no. Pequena es pequeña en portugués. O tal vez le falte la ñ en su teclado..
La ñ tambien se usa en español
Era el O no A en el respuesta ... no hablo nada Portugués
Sí, pero OP usó el género incorrecto.
Don't particularly care, except for that she is essentially just promoting anorexia to her fanbase of young girls who don't know better, which is pretty fucked up because Ariana should know better.
The thing is, she most definitely doesn’t know better right now in the depths of anorexia. Anorexia warps your sense of reality and self, and it's also a competitive disorder (hence, the “flaunting” many people suffering from it do). I mean, in the music video, there’s a note that says “couldn’t hurt to lose a few pounds” while she looks like that, so she’s obviously not in her right mind. I blame her management, executives, team, family, and friends for enabling her.
If you watch the full video though she's obviously "opposed" to the critique she's getting from the judges (the note), as she goes full Carrie on them in the end. The other girls celebrate her for it. My takeaway is that the pressure put on women is the men's fault, and women want to be free of it.
And I'm guessing the contents of the notes are real comments she's gotten over the years, not self-written notes to her current self. I don't see how you can read it any other way than this video being about revenge and freedom.
That said, I agree she looks sick and needs to heal from all of the pressure put on her. Obviously it's affected her a great deal. But I can't help to read this video as a means to get there, like public therapy, sort of.
I watched it, and I just don’t buy this explanation when, in the same video, she’s purposely wearing stuff meant to accentuate her bones and figure. The “industry critique” aspect of the music video just falls flat. Someone on another platform said it better than I could: the fact that in a gore/horror-themed MV Ariana’s real-life body is the scariest part says it all. Ironically, I think the best “industry critique” is one she didn’t even mean, when she reads the innocuous note, “You bloom wherever you’re planted” (you become famous if, when, where, and how the ones at the top want you to).
So the video accentuates how thin she is, then shows her negative response to the group that told her to be thinner... that all sounds consistent with criticising that kind of commentary to me.
I'm not going to comment on how thin she is, but that explanation seems the most likely, else why would the note be in there at all?
No, it’s the fact that the video glamorizes how emaciated she is, which is incompatible with seeing “could lose a few pounds” as a negative, since she’s flaunting the end stage of being skinny. You can’t critique something you’re the personification of and trying to paint as normal. “Couldn’t hurt to lose a few pounds” is exactly the deadly lie anorexics tell themselves because of the delusional thinking fueled by their disorder.
But it’s clear to me by now that you’re not engaging in good faith.
Doesn't the note sound like the agent from Jeanette's book?
I feel like women critique the physical appearance of their peers much more than men do.
Sure, men prop up this system of oppressive beauty standards but women ultimately sustain and engage with it.
This is one of my issues with pop music in general. The egomania involved and the inauthenticity.
i feel pity for her of course. also, thanks lemmy o grant me (a 47yo dude, basically listening to either deadmau5 or Motörhead) a peek into today's pop stars, so that I can have an awareness discussion on this body image thing with my 14yo pop culture sensitive daughter. i don't think she's got a body image problem, but good to nail it now.
I can fix her
Fuck
She's an easily influenced influencer. Remember her licking doughnuts as a trend? She was with "friends" at the time.
Similar to Will Smith, she's a rich kid with a ton of insecurities and lots of bad acquaintances. She'll keep making mistakes because that kind of negativity leads your thoughts astray easily and you need something grounded to keep you going. I'm not sure she has that something to hold on to.
Do you mean Will Smith's kid, Jaden, by any chance?
Guess Jaden could fit too, but I meant Will himself when he became rich from Prince of Bel Air. He did some silly things back then after gaining his independence (day) and almost lost it all.
He was a multi-platinum rapper before the show started.
What the fuck? Why would someone be that skinny
Eating disorder.
Eating disorders are so last decade. She's abusing Ozempic.
That's called an eating disorder
It can be 2 things, its also drug abuse
It's also wild speculation. People would vanilla-eating-disorder themselves this skinny years before GLP1s came around.
Yeah ozempic bypasses willpower to make you eat less. Anorexics already have the willpower to not eat, what they lack is an accurate body image
I don't get eating disorders (specifically the one where you want to look like a ghoul). Stuffing yourself makes sense to me, you wanna eat food and can't stop I guess, but not eating??? Like you enjoy starving?
Meaning you can't empathize? Lucky you, I guess. I had so much anxiety around eating for so long, and it's not unusual. Until I was 25, never put one piece of food in my mouth without thinking about the calories and how it would make me fat. I'm sure she looks in the mirror and still sees fat.
Yes more people have eating disorders in the other direction, and will eat when stressed. I have trouble wrapping my mind around that. It's been half my lifetime since I recovered but I still can't eat when stressed.
It's heartbreaking and eventually fatal if you keep restricting. Skinny is not automatically unhealthy, body types do differ.
There's plenty of pressure on women to be small, and when your life is out of control, one thing you can control is eating. It is oddly easy to fall into disordered territory.
Thanks, your shared experience provided me some new insight. I thought it was just the continued desire to starve and not the fact that it's a state of mind. Even if she's at the lowest body fat she could possibly get, her mind might still tell her to go even further, which kind of solidifies that it's a disorder.
Some people describe visual hallucinations as a component of body dysmorphia. Folks like this with serious eating disorders (like, going to kill themselves serious) are actually acting out of a delusion, not misinformed, rational thought.
The whole thing about eating disorders is that no part of it is about enjoyment. Generally they're psychological/other issues that ends up skewing how the person views and interacts with food on a fundamental level.
Social pressures. Yes, being hungry is uncomfortable and even can hurt, but if you ignore it long enough, it can sometimes become a bit more like background noise. I have always been a healthy weight, but my entire life I have had the paranoia of becoming fat. And so I am very accustomed to feeling hungry. When they started me a psych med that people can easily gain weight on, I started monitoring my weight more closely. Often, I go to bed with hunger pangs.
Quite frankly, I never understood how people are able to eat as much as I see them eat and still maintain a normal weight. I have always needed to eat less than others to maintain a healthy weight. My coworkers will eat 3 meals a day and be a healthy weight, but I have to eat 1 regular meal, 1 small meal, and maybe 1 small snack to stay a health weight. I'm guessing it's because I'm shorter so there is less mass at a healthy weight. Sucks.
It could be the pressure of 'staying pretty'
making them hate themselves for eating to the point of detriment. I understood that ozempic, the weight loss drug, is also widely used, which could be additional peer pressure.
These people are constantly scrutinised under a microscope, it's a lot to handle.
Obviously all speculations, there could be other reasons.
Same things with kpop idols too
Ah, i see shes aiming for the auschwitz physique.
No one cares about her, she’s just their cash cow. The second pic is from her newest music video, "Petal," released a few days ago. The fact that a whole team approved a video that's blatantly pro-ana content (body checking/bonespo) for a mainstream pop star with a young, female fanbase is disgusting. Eating disorders are socially contagious, but I guess all publicity is good publicity to them.
No argument form me, with the introduction of GLPs we have circled back to promoting anorexia to the next generation of young women. Obviously the publisher don't care about that, same as with any big corporation. The only thing that matters is line going up.
Disgusting.
A body like a doghouse. A bone in every corner.
Thanks, I hate it
Demi Moore too.
Hay Zeus
Don’t make it bad
Take a bad smite and make it better
Remember- to never hold in a fart-
Then you can start - to make cake batter-
Is that even the same person tough? What about the tattoos on her left arm? I ask because I don't know her.
She was so deprived of nutrients that her body ate the ink. /s
Got some removed you can see one that she didn't.
Holy fuck thats rough
Brothers and sisters in christ, in this, the year of our lord two thousand and twenty six WHY THE EVERLOVING HELL ARE EATING DISORDERS STILL A THING?!?! There should be enough celebrity push back on these warped managers and available information about this on the internet to shut down their body shaming bullshit, FFS. Get this chick dinner with Queen Latifah and Sir Mix A Lot STAT. Fried okra, red beans & rice, and some collard greens should do the trick me thinks.
Global eating disorder prevalence increased from 3.5% to 7.8% between 2000 and 2018.
I genuinely believe its worse now than 2018, what with the mass marketing of GLP1 (or similar medicine), and the rise in popularity of the Looksmaxxing bullshit.
The truth is, billion-dollar corporations go out of their way to brainwash the masses that these body types, that are entirely unachievable for the hyper-majority of the population, are THE sex standard. They use this to convince impressionable and desperate people alike to buy buy buy to try to look like this.
The celebrities/models who profit off of it like Ariana Grande are just as guilty. People wanna talk about how EDs warp people's minds. However, I don't think its rational to suggest Ariana, and every other major figure, isn't aware of what they're doing. She's made references to it in social media, at least one if her new songs, and always constantly puts emphasis on her exposed bones in front of every available camera.
Yeah it's so fucked up, sex with someone that skinny is straight up painful, their bones cause bruises on you, there's nothing sexy about banging a skeleton. Yet, these sick fuckers controlling the media want their stars like this, emaciated and fully under control.
On the other hand people pretend that being 5 foot 4 and 130lbs is some impossibly thin unrealistic goal when twenty years ago you'd have been called fat. It's definitely not fat, but it sure isn't thin either.
I came here to laugh, not feel sad. :-(
This is what celebrity culture does to women.
She's lost so much weight that even her tatts vanished.
no idea who either of these people are
I'm pretty sure they're both Ariana Grande
Ariana Demi.
Ariana Dos Grande
Same for Catherine McNamara.
This was petal? The music video was really good. I feel bad for her. She needs help.
Protip: if you find something heartbreaking, it is not a shitpost.
Pro-tip: the community’s description explicitly states: “Anything and everything goes. Memes, Jokes, Vents and Banter.” Consider this a vent.
Also, content policing on a platform as small as Lemmy makes no sense. This also isn’t the first snarky, smart-ass comment you’ve left on my posts, which is also weird.
I try to write what I think directly, no snark or smart assery intended, I just don't want heartfelt posts about serious stuff mixed up in my genuine shitposts.
This is a very distressing picture, and a incredibly sad topic.
"shitpost" is generally understood to have humor as one of the defining characteristics.
So, i'm sure you can see that this might make people point out that this might be the wrong area for this, and frankly can seriously harsh someones buzz if they just want to look at some fun memes and get a left hook right in the feels.
Pretty sure the defining quality is the "shit" part of the name. Aka low quality/effort.
Shitposts don't need to be funny or interesting. Look at the whole corn, jeans or beans posts.
And judging by the amount of both praise and hate she's getting, I'd argue that Violet is one of the best shitposters in this community.
it's not called "shit"post because of low quality, but because you think of it on the toilet ...
Alright, lets leave the comedy out (for now, i'm not convinced. maybe we call it "entertaining" instead)
that is not a shitpost. not anything is a "shitpost" just because it's low effort/quality. you are making the word meaningless if you ...
whait a second...
is that a shitpost you just did?
Dude or dudette, have a little respect for the shitposting community. This is not a shitpost.
it fits the rules though, take it up with the mods
Yeah dude, lemmings will follow you around and downvote all your comments if you call em out for stupid bullshit, or even just generally disagree with them. God forbid you manage to trigger a tankie brigade, they'll follow you around for a month with alts and sockpuppets.
This is especially creepy right after watching a video about a cult that behaves similarly if you upset them.
(The cult is called AllatRa, btw. Very interesting rabbit hole)
Scientology does this too.
Celebrities aren’t real people. They are all part of the Epstein class. Let’s end the worship of celebrity culture!!!!
even if you're right, making people stop adoring celebrities is about as difficult as hiding the night sky from people's view
We have to keep bringing awareness to the Epstein class; just doing my duty 🫡🫡🫡
Shed getting skinnier and whiter and I think she's getting facial surgeries. We might not recognize her at all soon.
She used to be white before all the tan and makeup. But now she's getting pale on top of the tan. That's unsettling
Which are very good medicines used successfully to fight obesity. Let's not blame the medication here. They however should be used by people who are actually struggling with obesity and not already fit people who want to lose weight for esthetic reasons. And why a doctor would ever prescribe them to someone who is clearly already under weight and possibly struggling with an eating disorder is beyond me.
Also I don't believe she is using any of those kinds of drugs. These kinds of eating disorders are mental health issues and have been recognized as such for decades. People have been suffering from this kind of thing long before weight loss medication became a reality. You don't need your body to tell you not to eat if your mind already does so.
Anorexia, bulimia, and body dysmorphia existed before GLP-1 meds.
that is a bummer.
She's anorexic?
From licking that donut to how pretentious and annoying her and that black chick were on that movie premiere tour to the ultra processed sliced deli meat brand of music she puts out that's like so much else out there and her thinking she's something special? I really don't like her.
I've always thought she looked too skinny. Her arms in particular never looked right.
Y'all are gonna feel like shit if it turns out she has some weird incurable cancer. Well. Sort of. She's probably also terrible personally but y'all are being weird about the possible ED thing.
It's just usually a good guess with celebrities.
I've seen pictures of KZ victims who look more healthy
i mean YES, she is anorexic and probably has an eating disorder. she's still cute though, just not as cute as she was before. i think a lot of it has to do with how celebrities that were beautiful dont come to terms and deal well with aging, so they try to get surgeries and go anorexic and shit like that trying to look 20 when they're 35. they need to let go.
What the fuck bro se is killing herself who gives a fuck if she looks good
she does (points at Ariana)
Hey so, people dont become anorexic bevause they think being slim is pretty :) there are many reasons people might develop eating disorders that include but aren't limited to things like stress, disgust with youre situation and feeling ill along with societal pressure and unhealthy work environments you can find in things like the show business! So disrespectfully never say this about a girl again and type with both of your hands after thinking long and hard about celebrities and public figures still being people that can experience issues beyond wanting too look pretty because youre coming over as a fine 'gentleman' with inflated masculinity shoved up your ass by society!
so what you're saying is that people eat less for various reasons, one of them being stress.
no need to get angry.
What a strange thing to say as a reaction to someone expressing worries about someone else's health. "She might be unhealthy but she is still cute in my eyes, which is all that matters." That is how it sounds.
didn't say that's all that matters. just wanted to point out she wasn't hideous. i feel like people are reacting like she's ugly now when she's not. if she were reading this i'd want to reassure her that she's still got beauty and she might be unhealthy now and it's affecting her appearance but it isn't game over for her, she's still attractive and she can fix this and still be healthier and better looking. like it isn't all doom and gloom for her
"I am not reducing her to her appearance, but if she wasn't pretty in my opinion, it would be game over for her" that is how this reads. Look at the votes and realise that is what you sound like. If you feel and think differently to that, reflect on how you communicate your thoughts. I doubt you would want to tell e.g. a close female friend something that she would understand like that.
Your whole statement circles around the idea that while you agree that she is less healthy, she is still pretty and consequently, you think she will be fine. And that might be a understandable (while sad) perspective from a business perspective but you joined a conversation about her health. By moving the conversation away from her health towards her beauty (a very subjective matter, which is especially important in situation), you are communicating that you believe that a focus on her beauty is relevant.
Now i understand that you might be reacting to other people's comments and you feel like they called her ugly and you don't think she is. But instead of stating that, e.g. by saying "while it seems like she is less healthy right now, let's not call her ugly, that is just mean. And personally, i still think she is pretty" but by saying things that imply that her value is in her matching your aesthetic sense.
I want to assume that your heart is in the right but your words are not.
'You are beautiful' is a normative statement about 'beauty' which is put on women as their 'value'. You're essentially saying 'well she still has value because she is pretty'. And that's exactly the kind of shit that leads to unhealthy coping strategies etc
Like, she doesn't 'have value' because she's 'beautiful'. She just does. End of story. Putting this pressure on people, 'good' or 'bad' is still putting this pressure on people, what's so hard to understand there.
i feel like you're making assumptions here that i said her value only comes from her beauty. i think beauty adds to value but it's not the only thing that matters for women OR men either for that matter. she clearly is going through the surgeries and anorexia because she cares about her appearance, so why is stating she still looks fine and isn't ugly a bad thing? imo beauty does give you some value at least in a superficial sense. we aren't robots, we have attraction to things and a positive attraction is a positive value.
For a lot of people with eating disorders any comment about their appearance and attractiveness will only fuel the eating disorder. If they get lots of compliments when they're dangerously skinny then they'll obviously conclude "this is good I need to be skinny/skinnier." However, when people say things like you did like "they were cuter before" it almost always spirals the person into trying to "fix" their appearance even more
You have to remember that unfortunately people with eating disorders do not see themselves objectively and they often are not thinking straight bc their body is struggling to survive. So even if you're trying to say something positive, that's not necessarily going to be the effect it has on the person. This is why it's important to generally center the discussion around having a healthy lifestyle rather than appearance (actually being healthy, not when people use the word "healthy" to disparage anyone bigger than a size 2)
Also additional note that isn't necessarily to do with this conversation, but people with eating disorders will often have their weight fluctuate drastically. Bc their eating habits are so inconsistent, their bodies get used to holding onto as much as they can, so it's common for people with eating disorders to rapidly gain weight and then rapidly lose it, in a cycle. And of course, when they lose the weight people will compliment them usually, thus fueling the eating disorder. This is why it's generally best to never comment on someone's weight unless you know them really well and they've specifically been talking about losing weight in a healthy way. (And even then the focus should be on the benefits of the change like "you seems so much more energetic now/you look more comfortable in yourself" rather than their weight directly)
I don't think you meant anything bad by your comment. I just think you don't know much about eating disorders so this is a good learning opportunity
Thanks for your comment. I think you stated it well and i think you are right about him.
But I think his comments heavily imply that her beauty is the most important value to her (maybe he means it from a business perspective and then he might not be wrong... sadly).
So i think it is lack of knowledge AND poor phrasing and reflection.
karma for the decade of blackface
Cmon no one deserves this kinda shit she is getting pushed from all sides to be all kinds of shit and it clearly made her very unwell you can belive she is a bad person and stuff but she is still a human. She is a really publuc figure too so this will def influance yunger folk
I mean she doing this to herself, She has infinite money to choose how she look and this is what she has chosen
Its a mental disorder prob coused by stress and outside influance she is killing herself becuz beutystanderts that are pushed onto women really hard
I dont really have much sympathy. This is something she is doing to herself because she is dumb. Probably lots of people tried to talk her out of it but she doesn't listen.
Some people have to have their own misery to learn from it.
This guy really doesn't understand what shitposting is?
This is so off putting. I can't fantasy anymore about soft cuddles when all I'm imagining now is bumping into her skeleton.
Chat is this real?