Sen. Lindsey Graham dies at 71 after ‘brief and sudden illness’
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Imma pin this one up for now.
Please remember the rule on celebrating death. Graham was an asshole, that should be enough.
In March 2016, Graham said: "I want you to use my words against me. If there's a Republican president in 2016 and a vacancy occurs in the last year of the first term, you can say Lindsey Graham said let's let the next president, whoever it might be, make that nomination." [1, 2]
Right? If Hitler rises from the grave and we curb stomp him back into it am I not supposed to celebrate?
Bad people exist. It's good when they stop existing. We should be able to acknowledge that. This isn't Reddit and I never want it to be.
EDIT: Put some more thought into it. I think it's important to celebrate the death of objectively bad people because it helps normalize obliterating whatever virtuous image they constructed for themselves while they were alive. Unfortunately, the USA has normalized corruption, that's not really debatable at this point. We need to normalize publicly shaming corrupt individuals to try to dissuade future bad actors from rising through the ranks and letting the world know exactly how low these corrupt assholes were. And as far as determining whether Graham was a piece of shit or not....well, I'd say if you constantly take advantage of things you actively vote against and flip flop on your statements from one day to the next, you're a pretty big piece of shit.
It's cool, you should have seen the crap we removed when Carter died. We aren't playing sides here, that's why it's in the side bar.
You should just let us downvote them out of existence.
Far as I'm concerned the only thing that should be removed are slurs and outright misinformation, which includes anti-voter sentiment.
What a weird rule.
Hitler dies, and we're not allowed to celebrate? Putin dies, we can't talk about how great it is that the warmongering fascist is no longer haunting the rest of us with war?
C'mon.
We have to keep Lemmy advertiser-friendly!
There are ads?
No adds yet. Neither did Reddit once upon a time.
I just spon an instance and Nike was all in. But I insulted the wrong fat frog shit post. Now I'm just another fool.
No fun allowed
You can say what a terrible person he was without celebrating his death.
Just like the Charlie Kirk responses:
"I can’t stand the word empathy actually. I think empathy is a made-up, New Age term that — it does a lot of damage, but it is very effective when it comes to politics."
And you can say it's the 25th of December without celebrating Christmas, but the question is, why would I?
Amazing how everytime something big happen JL finds a way to make it all about them.
Wonder what will happen in the thread about Mc turtle finally officially passing
Same thing as here, no celebrating death.
Yes that was clearly what was being referenced here
It's almost impressive how they've made half the comments about Lindsey Graham passing about them/this stupid rule
The whole thing makes me think of the Key and Peele sketch about Hingle McCringleberry's Excessive Celebrations
No celebrating evil people dying, you must speak kindly to diet nazis who didn't say anything good to anyone and were evil.
You need to justify why celebrating someone's death should not be allowed.
I'm not advocating for anyone dying, that's a different bowl of nuts. Virtue signalling one's own ethical purity might get you off, but it only annoys everyone else.
That's Jordan for you. And then being smug about it too.
Maybe we see enough vitriol towards Windows and Mac users, people daring to praise anything that isn't FOSS, or saying something nice about someone who isn't a liberal, that even when we are relieved when a certain person is no longer living we don't want to read dozens or hundreds of me-too posts full of vitriol. There's the upvote button for that. I'm glad he's gone but making a separate comment to essentially echo groupthink is (somewhat) a waste of time and effort. In some ways Lemmy is no better than Reddit.
I know that saying anything that goes against Lemmy groupthink and hatefeasts is guaranteed to get a down vote, but I don't feel the need to make nasty comments so that I fit in around here.
Because the place would become toxic af. It's a good rule.
Then ban toxic posts. Don't shoot everyone just because they don't blow kisses at a monster.
Again, you can call him an asshole without celebrating his death.
I just watched a doco on the Nuremberg trials today in Netflix - by way of coincidence. These guys were the GOATs at instilling a sense of justice and fairness. That was their prime and only job. Guess what, they also celebrated the bad guys deaths. Especially the really bad guy, but also the henchmen like Goring (who topped himself).
I'll not keep on arguing because we are both sick of the topic. I just don't understand the sacred seperation between permitting calling someone an arsehole when they are breathing, but the moment they stop breathing you can't say 'fantastic'. Great news.
But as you say, them be the rules, I guess?
He was a terrible person and it is fitting to celebrate that he is no longer alive to impose his views through policy. Not celebrating his death, just the act of him no longer living. Him dying, sad for his family. Him not being alive, good for the nation. It's a bad rule, do better.
What a pain in the neck that guy was.
His last words were really hard to swallow.
Define the difference between celebration vrs elation.
I'm not gonna throw a party but I won't rule out a hearty chuckle a jaunty happy dance.
Having made an initial pass of the comments, there were really very few removable. Mostly blatant rule breaking like "Good!" and "I am celebrating!"
The rule states "bannable" but not how long. The minimum I can set is 1 day. I'd probably have gone for something in the hours range, but it is not that granular. 😉
What is that socialist logo? An underhand wank of a gigantic glizzy?
DSA logo
I see, you'll understand my confusion as your logo shows two cartoon hands whilst the OP shows... maybe a stump at best.
That's just the style. Drawing hands is hard and polandballs are supposed to be simplistic and crudely drawn.
Also this meme is super old at this point, I think it was originally about McCain.
I guess it's just my sick mind seeing things.
The conservative does actually have some alcohol. Someone get that socialist a gun.
Yup.
We live in a society where the justice system simply doesn't apply to the rich and powerful.
All we've got is the celebration when nature finally makes them pay the piper.
I'll go to whatever platform I need to in order to have that.
IDK. The rules can say whatever they want. When a person who wants me and my friends dead, dies, I’m going to be happy about it.
What, pray tell, is the “rule” about celebrating death? It couldn’t possibly be some absolute Reddit shit, could it?
Sidebar rule 6:
"No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning."
What a stupid rule
Any good justification for this rule you can think of?
(Also… weird that you’re not actually enforcing it? Is it a “rule” or not?)
Basic humanity? Graham lacked it, doesn't mean we should.
So if we celebrated hitler's death we lack humanity? People should be free to celebrate a death if they feel to. Forcing your idea of a moral code over people is not nice. We are not talking about celebrating violence, a crime or wishing for somebody's death.
People should be free to express their feelings if they don't hurt anyone, without having to fear the morality police. The point of modorators should be to create a welcoming and safe space, not to impose your morality on others.
Doesn't matter if you think it's "nice" or not. It's a rule for this community.
Yes, and you could have answered "thanks for your input, but we are going to stick with our rules because we have our reasons", instead you basically tell me "Doesn't matter what you think, these are the rules and you must respect them. No discussion allowed". I mean sure, you make the rules, but the way you enforce them and react to criticism speaks for itself.
You should answer the question posed though…
No, no, you don’t get it. It’s not about being nice, it’s about telegraphing what a good, nonthreatening supplicant you are
I already said he was an asshole and cited the reason, that's not supplication.
You don't have to celebrate death to prove you aren't a supplicant. 😉
I said almost the exact same thing.
Ahhhh, the "when they go low, we go high" approach.
Gee whizz, that approach has really been working out so far, hasn't it...
::: spoiler i mean i go everywhere high. it's worked pretty well for me.
::: i get i'm a bit of an outlier though
Obviously it needs to go higher so that the fall is harder
Jesus fucking Christ. We’re really doing this high road virtue signaling bullshit here, too? Cool. Continue being part of the problem, I guess.
If you don't like it, make your own community. It's a stated rule here.
Is there a rule about talking about disliking it? I don’t see one in writing, but it seems like it wouldn’t matter.
Not positive that you should be enforcing your own personal ethics onto other people. Free speech should be a thing. If a person did bad things and people are glad that he is no longer in a position to do bad things, that is a celebration in itself. Trying to enforce opinions like this is self-congratulatory in that you consider your opinion is superior and worthy of judicial enforcement.
Note that I haven't in the slightest commented on the man himself, yet still run the risk of banning. It all depends upon the moderator. This happens on Reddit all the time and that's the problem with this kind of moderation. It has a chilling effect. Give a censor a job and they tend to censor.
Freedom of speech is what the government controls. You have no freedom of speech within a private entity like social media.
The TOS sets the overall rules, each community further defines them.
The Lemmy instances which are "do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" get de-federated pretty damn quickly due to the raw sewage they pump out.
Totally true. But the reality is people are going to go to whatever platform they feel most free to express themselves on.
That's literally why everyone left Reddit for Lemmy. And they'll leave Lemmy too.
Just making an observation.
I do agree that censorship and freedom of speech are related to how a government deals with the matter, so you are right.
However, free speech principles have, thankfully, escaped the confines of government control. People generally like to express an opinion and hear others - particularly on private platforms that are supposedly set up for that express purpose. Sure, set of terms of service putting arbitrary guard rails on ethical grounds (one's own) and see what that gets you in the long run.
Most of us already know the extremities of free speech. Saying 'great' when a douchebag stops being a douchebag is hardly ban worthy.
Or maybe it is, and if so, welcome to your weather channel.
Then what's the point?
free speech is also a personal ethic. now kiss
Lol welcome to lemmy politics.
True, I should probably quit social media altogether. Having opinions is never welcome unless they are authorised opinions.
Seriously. In so many ways this place is worse than reddit.
Would you celebrate the death of Hitler?
About eighty years too late, but at the time I feel like I would've.
JL has previously said that Black Lives Matter was a bad thing and has removed psots critical of Israel. So that answers your question.
I'm familiar with his many bad takes lol.
No. This high road bullshit is why we are in the hole we’re in now. You want to play the game, you need to understand the rules. And you naive to think anything else.
I won’t condone murder, but this fucker deserves his abrupt death and the vitriol that follows. We will always be at the mercy of those fucks because of people like you and it’s time you understand.
That is a ratio.
Maybe the rules should be put to a vote by the community?
The community doesn't set the rules, that way lies madness.
I'd like to advocate for a reexamination of that rule.
Ok agreed. No surprise night raping or murdering people in colonial genocide projects that Graham Cracker. I hope we'll all live to celebrate that fucker dying some day too.
Now on the celebrations.
what about being sad that he died... this late?
Community rules are aggressively enforced against people the mods disagree with and fairly lax with those they agree. Jordan is usually pretty fair though. But yeah the celebrating death rule is applied very very inconsistently.
Mostly because we physically can't read every comment and rely on reports.
Events like this are fairly unique.
So here's the situation:
Last night? I didn't see anything removable or bannable and went to sleep.
Waking up today, I had a butt-ton of replies to wade through, then reports, now I'm going through the whole comment tree looking for rule violations.
So far, as of your comment, it looks pretty clean! I'm impressed!
Probably made by the Flatheads. I Ewok celebrate at Nazi's end, cuddle bite me.
Want some rye?
‘course you do.
(Pouring noises)
Now that's a reference I haven't seen made in years. Good memories.
I know no one wants to hear this right now but celebrating death degrades us. To join the grim reaper’s cheering section is to sit with the ghouls.
If you want to convince me there’s some great practical value in it, go ahead and try, but I don’t see it. To me, it’s an act that accomplishes nothing except lowering us. And believe me, I fucking hated Lindsay Graham. I’m glad he will do no more harm, but that’s as far as I prefer to go.
This is so obnoxious.
No, obnoxious is the way y’all are piling your hatred for Lindsay Graham onto this poor mod because he won’t let you rip Graham’s body to pieces inside the community center. As if that would do anyone any good. Straight up fucking scapegoating going on right here. He’s handled you all quite well.
No one’s forcing him to police adult conversations for decorum in the middle of a cold civil war.
The issue is that what is presented as a single rule is actually several different rules crammed into one sentence. It strings together multiple distinct ideas with commas, making it unclear where one prohibition ends and another begins. If each of those ideas is meant to stand on its own, they should be written as separate rules rather than bundled together under a single heading.
Secondly, "celebrating death" is an extremely vague concept. Many cultures celebrate death in one form or another. Hindus, for example, have traditions that celebrate the passage into the next life. Creole culture also has a long history of turning funerals into communal celebrations.
Moreover, what exactly constitutes a celebration of death? If someone feels happy that a particular person has died, they are not necessarily celebrating death itself. They are simply acknowledging that someone they disliked is gone and, in their view, that the world is objectively better off as a result.
So if I say, "I am happy that so-and-so died," that is not, in and of itself, a morally reprehensible statement. It merely expresses an individual's emotions. No one is obligated to like another person or to feel sadness when they die. Death itself is not a moral act; the act of taking a life is. In this case, the individual died naturally rather than as the result of anyone's actions.
As a result, I see no compelling reason why death itself should never be celebrated, whether the sentiment is meant to admonish the deceased or to honor them.
"or" makes it clear to anyone with an understanding of English that these are each separate items.
One of the great many problems with the"celebrating death" rule (whatever that means) is that much commentary is generated just talking about why it it pointless. The moderators must have already removed the most violent opinions because most of the ones remaining are along the lines of "good, I'm glad". Pretty tame stuff, but apparently not permitted all the same.
If it is a rule, at least you have the good sense to realise that "celebration" is a pretty broad term and should be handled judicially.
Can we still celebrate the sudden reduction in evil secondary to his death?
I wouldn't have a problem with that. I'd add that today seems 2.85714286E−9% brighter without him in it.
Excellent! *champagne*
Maybe amend the rule to "celebrating death of actual human beings". There's one person whose death will be celebrated far and wide, for sure.
We did lift the rule temporarily when it was Kissinger. 😉
So it's a highly inconsistent rule that also get lifted when someone the mods hate dies? Holy shit
Wasn't just "the mods hate". Kissinger was legit a war criminal.
As much as we all hate Graham, he was not at the same level as Kissinger. Few are.
Graham may get a footnote in future history books in the chapter on the fall of democracy in the western hemisphere.
Graham caused some fatalities too, not at the level of a war criminal ofc, but still, he did some pretty bad damage so what i see is just an excuse to celebrate the death of someone you dislike;
If everyone is human Graham included then Kissinger is too, yet you celebrated Kissinger death, which mean you deem one less human than the other which just look hypocrisy to me, this whole rule is bullshit but it's even more bullshit how you all enforce it and remove it as you like for certain people
You either enforce it for all or for no one, which IMO the better one is the 2nd option because the rule is just blatantly enforcing your own moral.
And you get to determine that?
You see, JL moderates on vibes more than rules. That's why the admins allow him to break rules and their TOS constantly.
So you decide when it applies and when it doesn't? Sounds like this community needs a new mod with some integrity
We made an exception for an incredible war criminal, yes. Don't expect us to do it for everyone.
Just expect it for the people YOU don't like? Policies made by these evil men can lead to death. If you make life harder for pregnant people, women, LGBTQ, etc., some of those people will commit suicide. Some of those people will die in child birth. Some of those people will see hate crimes committed against them. That doesn't make them evil enough for you? Someone dying doesn't erase the evil they have committed. Even those politicians that didn't want to protect grandma during covid are pretty fucking despicable. They could have created policy that led to innocent elderly dying from a preventable condition. I would celebrate the death of all politicians that didnt do enough to protect public health. Jesus Christ, why do I need to explain this? They are literally public figures. They put themselves out there for us to judge.
You see why this doesn’t make it better, right?
No, he really doesn't.
i mean while i agree, i don't want to get into the habit of dehumanizing people (even if it feels fair play for any given specific person).
It took a whole fucking lot of dehumanization to defeat the actual historical Nazis.
Maybe we're thinking of similar things, but I thought it took killing, not dehumanization. I mean it's easier to convince a bunch of someones to kill someone else if you first dehumanize the someone else to the someones so I get where you're coming from tho
Why should we humanize people who were literally fascists who dehumanized others?
who said we had to do that? i just don't like dehumanizing.
Agreed. The worst people in history were all still very much human. They had internal complexity that caused them to live the lives they lived and make the mistakes they did. And those humans were terrible people whose deaths deserve celebration, because they're shining examples of which parts of humanity we should strive to avoid emulating.
He is, after all, a human being. A shit one at that, but still human.
Genuine question: does saying "womp womp" count as celebrating?
I wouldn't say so, ditto for:
https://youtu.be/CQeezCdF4mk
lmfao wow this is some real reddit shit. mass downvoting the guy who answered the questionedit: oh wait it's the same guy, it makes sense then. still, shouldn't downvote the answer.
This is why people hate you, you know.
I know, people hate it when you point out the rules they agree to by participating here even though they are clearly posted and they never read them. 😉
There should probably be a mechanic for users to boot overbearing mods, they are our communities, not for bootlicking fascists to play god because they "enforce the rules"
There is one, it's "start a different comm." That's the solution!
What do you think the Internet is?Humanity’s great, open exchange of information, where ideas can be shared with minimal gatekeeping, allowing knowledge, perspectives, and voices to circulate freely across borders and institutions?
Pfft. Grow up, dude. It’s whatever the advertisers, billionaire shitheads, and power tripping moderators decide it should be, obviously.
No idea why you're getting downvoted lol, maybe people don't understand sarcasm
The UK has an entire holiday based around burning an effigy of a person you hate... I think we should be able to say we enjoy that he is dead to no longer hurt the living.
Yes, if we wanted to spend time on Fox News we already know how to do it.
This guy was a literal mass murderer akin to a modern day Nazi but keep pretending like there is some "civility".
that's a shitty rule tbh
I get it, it makes it easier to moderate. still a shitty rule.
I'll join you too when I come back from work. Fat dabs for dead fascists!
It's 4:20 somewhere when a Republican dies!
🎆🥳🎉🎊🎆
Unsubscribed.
Bye, Felicia
I know you're getting shit from everyone, but thanks for volunteering to mod and put up with all the "edgy" people here.
Civility fetish.
Don't kink shame.
Pretty brutal list of catastrophies you listed there. It's a shame that your party decided it was more important to genocide Palestinians than it was to mitigate those issues.
I think Jordan covered the rule existing and not to break it, but I'd like to discuss why it's there to hopefully make this more transparent. Especially since Mitch may be croaking soon also (or already did, who knows?)
Rule 6 is a necessary evil. The reason is that websites which are truly off the rails are often singled out. A mostly leftist forum would be even more likely to be targeted. Community mods should on occasion think what would these posts look like on an FBI filing, or on a hit piece on the DSA for example. Not the same morally, but famously many nationalist/racist sites have been targeted and then had their hosting or ddos protection revoked because of content on the site calling for death or celebrating it with their rules and enforcements having no such limitations.
Different levels of extremes than here obviously, but the corporate landscape and justice dept is not on our side here and so interpretations which seem obvious to you may not be made before damage has been done.
Above all, mods have a responsibility to not create problems for the site that hosts their coms, regardless of deserved or undeserved protection on someone's legacy.
Besides, it's just as easy to say, "Warmonger Graham: Never an offensive war he didn't support, never a dollar from Israel he didn't immediately allow into his decision making process, never a brown person he didn't want to kill. He has obtained what he wanted most for others, death. He can now start his final battle without his mortal coil, to start a regime change in hell."
Shine on, Lindsey. Show him the way.
"Come into the light, Donald..."
Actually this is massive, massive news. The republican primaries are already over in SC. Given his sudden death likely nobody was prepping a campaign (Graham was already running for re-election). They're gonna have to have a special primary in just a few weeks, and only a few months to build and win a campaign.
Huge huge opportunity for Dems.
never underestimate the dems ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Oh I said it was an opportunity for them, certainly not that I expected them to capitalize upon it lmao
If the Dems found a lamp and got three wishes, they'd negotiate down to one wish, and then wish for something they thought the Republicans would want.
Leftists would fight with the genie for not being left enough for them.
His opponent was already doing really well.
Given enough time. The short timeframe could actually be a boon.
Doomerism at it's finest
awwww, did baby learn a new word and uses it to describe everything now?
cynicism != doomerism
And pedantic to boot. 👍
It's South Carolina, the Dems have ZERO chance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_Senate_election_in_South_Carolina
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_United_States_Senate_election_in_South_Carolina
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_United_States_Senate_election_in_South_Carolina
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_United_States_Senate_election_in_South_Carolina
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_Senate_election_in_South_Carolina
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_United_States_Senate_election_in_South_Carolina
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_United_States_Senate_election_in_South_Carolina
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_United_States_Senate_election_in_South_Carolina
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_United_States_Senate_election_in_South_Carolina
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_United_States_Senate_election_in_South_Carolina
You have to go back to 1960 to find a Democratic Senator from South Carolina:
J. Strom Thurmond
Who then switched to the Republican party in 1964 and opposed the Civil Rights Act.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond_filibuster_of_the_Civil_Rights_Act_of_1957
Lindsey Graham only got 54% last go... It's far from impossible.
It's unlikely... But given the negativity across the board for Trump's shit this year resulting in massive shifts in previously pretty strong Trump districts, combined with a baseline of only 54%... It's not an impossibility at all.
Trump helped turn Georgia blue in 2020 and has made it a senatorial swing state. He's more unpopular now
This will be the best opportunity, but the last time was a Presidential election, not a mid term. Voter turnout is not the same.
Look at the last mid term election:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_United_States_Senate_election_in_South_Carolina
672,942 - 54.27%
480,933 - 38.78%
The latest election in 2020 per your source was 54.44% for Graham and 44.17% for his opponent.
That is not an impossible margin. The Republicans will not benefit from running an incumbent, and the Republican party has never been more unpopular. This is a very good chance.
Just look at Georgia until Osoff and Warnock Georgia had been red for a very very long time. Just as long as South Carolina.
Past elections don't predict future elections. They are certainly indicators, but there's way more to it.
Fritz Hollings, a conservative Democrat (and therefore not far off from being a Republican), was a senator of South Carolina until 2005.
i mean back in the day (when i was young and naive. i swear things were really different then though!) conservatives from liberal states and liberals from conservative states had a lot in common. a hell of a lot more than they do now at least.
Huge potential for the DSA.
And after all that effort to cover up Mitch's death, too.
Republicans in shambles!
Geez... they'll really do anything to distract from Mitch being dead
Sacrificing the most openly closeted gay Republican isn't really much honestly.
That and the Epstein files
I'm sorry to hear it was brief.
Here are some fun facts about South Carolina for those of you who have never been, unrelated to Lindsey Graham.
Lindsey Graham is from a town called Central, which due to SC naming convention is in the northwest part of the state. Following the same convention there is also a town called North, South Carolina that is in the middle. Central also has a great Mexican restaurant called Pancho's where you can go to celebrate any event you'd like
In many parts of SC it is considered rude or unlucky to toss or throw beer on Sundays. This is because it is illegal to sell alcohol on Sundays in many places so if you toss a beer to your buddy at the campsite, for example, and they drop it, you can't buy more till tomorrow. Please remember this tradition if you are having any celebrations on Sundays and want to honor South Carolina traditions.
It's customary in South Carolina to celebrate Bastille Day two days early. The reasons why are lost to history.
Wow! Not the one I thought it would be
The really bad people have a knack for outliving everybody else. Just look at Kissinger: he died at 100.
Lindsey Graham was just a low-level suckup. Too bad to qualify as a decent human being, but not bad enough to live longer.
Hitler died at 56, and he also died fairly suddenly
The man who killed Hitler deserves a metal and a holiday named after him.
^^jk, ^^obviously
i'm mean i'm allergic to lead too
No, but I'm opportunistic and I take what I get. And the week did not end yet. Maybe we'll get another one.
Wow! Mitch Mcconnell and Lindsey Graham in the same year? The world is indeed slowly starting to heal! Now do Fat Donnie and Erdogone, and I'll throw a party.
Musk, Bebe, Putin and Farage to that mix.
Actually all billionaires too would be nice
Erdogan instead of Netenyahu huh.
No Putin!?!
Netanyahu? Thiel? Miller? Schumer? Musk?
Imagine if they all just croaked though.
Now id assume someone finally got a death note.
I don't count sheep at night, I go over my death note list
I just came.
All in good time.
they are next on the list. I'm becoming like Arya Stark
Fuck Schumer but it's absolute madness putting him in that list and before Musk. Like listing Hitler, Himmler, Mussolini, Chamberlain, and Stalin.
Let Putin be the bedraggled old leftovers hopelessly outclassed by their replacements.
Nah man, he deserves worse
I’d settle for something ironic, like falling out a high rise window.
True that's the best outcome for any evil old ruler in terms of actual progreas. But sometimes they come back like Trump and they are often still in the background quietly fucking everything up.
McConnell ain't dead yet (unfortunately). Or did I miss something?
There's zero proof he is alive.
There's lots of evidence he is dead.
People are just being realistic
There's also a strong incentive for the current administration to not announce his death.
They've probably thrown his body off the end of a pier in the middle of the night by now.
I heard that Lindsey Graham is having a 20 minute long conversation with him right now.
He may be doing guard duty over the Epstein Files right now
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weekend_at_Bernie's
He's completely absent from everything and if they announce he's dead now they have to have a special election to replace him.
If they wait until 8/3, then the seat just stays empty and whoever gets elected in November gets seated in January:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_United_States_Senate_election_in_Kentucky
The issue is systematic rather than few evil people
True, but a few evil people dying is not so bad.
you're not entirely wrong but not entirely right. there are people who seem to be both causes and symbols of the dysfunction in society. without a few specific evil people, a few specific evils wouldn't have occurred. we'd have different evils, but there's no guarantee they'd be better or worse. the people just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and took advantage of it.
I disagree the system is the set of rule that determine what evil people can do and what they get away with it. The system that allow presidents to get away with war crimes is going to naturally generate more extreme evil people.
i guess the point i'm trying to make is that a few people are very very effective at what we're calling evil (not entirely sure how broadly we're defining that) and have, due to their positions, shaped the rules of The System to their advantage.
i think we're looking at different ends of The System, though. probably just differences in our experience. some of the rules, yes, function as limitations. some are more aspirational. stuff like research or public service grants. there are a lot of societal functions where charitable organizations are filling the gap left in government services. they often get grants from the government to run said services, in essence making them quasi-governmental corporations.
essentially there's the part of The Rules (both written down and socially implied norms) describing what the folk running the system should be doing if they're acting in good faith. then there's the part punishing people if they aren't engaging with the system in good faith. it all kind of breaks down when a significant portion of the population starts engaging with the system in bad faith, especially if those people are in positions to write or enforce The Rules governing the system.
lindsay "Lady G" graham died having never been married and never having children. He ran for president once, when asked by press who his first lady would be, should he win, he replied, "My Sister...".
It is not an inherently wrong or shameful thing to be gay, by any means, but to live an entire lifetime poorly hiding your own truth while being dedicated to hating what you are publicly, in a position to vocally support and enact actual law aimed at making other humans fear, suffer and feel less for just loving who they love is unforgivable.
His voting record who stand as a permanent indictment of a cruel person who led a short, hateful and frightened life - never taking a single free breath. A sad life, over.
Lindsay Graham was in his current office for 23 years. His predecessor, Strom Thurmond was in that seat for 47 years.
Yikes, South Carolina.
Male escorts all over DC are probably celebrating the hardest right now.
Um, what?
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5964793-fbi-assists-in-graham-death/
ME said COD was aortic dissection. That’s basically always fatal. Maybe if you’re already opened up on the operating table they could save you, maybe not. Do Patel's munchkins have nothing better to do with their time?
He was encouraged to call Mitch and decided to drop in on him.
He had a 20 minute conversation with Mitch McConnell who told him to go into the light.
I'm not celebrating his death. I'm celebrating his lack of life, he was a closeted ruinous cruel little bigot with an ugly soul.🎉
Maybe we'll get a double dose of good news today, but they're probably gonna keep Mitchy boy on the machine breather until the deadline where they don't need to do the special election.
There should be a mechanism for his constituents or senate colleagues to demand a recall based on inability to perform duties.
Even if he were alive, being in the hospital for a month at his age when he's already been showing cracks should be grounds to vacate the seat.
Good riddance, he was a neo-Nazi supporting sack of shit.
This is not so much a celebration as it is a pertinent and completely factual statement: Lindsey Graham, like the bulk of drivers in South Carolina, was simply a menace to society.
Sounds like it might have been a heart attack and not the "extreme dysentery" he was due.
You mean they aren't going to pretend he's alive but nobody is allowed to see him?
Mitch McConnell must have been his last horcrux.
How awful. It's a heartbreaking turn of events, sucks to hear that he didn't publicly suffer through a long, protracted illness first.
Does it come in threes still?
Too much coke and Rent Boys for an old queen.
I had always kinda hoped he'd live long enough to see his prediction of Trump destroying the Republican party fully play out. Can't say I'm upset by the news despite that.
I know that we're not to celebrate death of Graham so I'll say the nicest thing I can think about him.
Today for breakfast I had two eggs and an apple.
I feel sad for the male prostitutes of DC for their loss in income
Already found out from the grim reaper playing the claw grab game meme. It's the fastest death news information service.
I see the rule and I get why it would be written, but some deaths really do deserve celebration.
Rest in piss.
Couldn’t have happened to a better guy
So... if it is polonium poisoning, will the U.S. ever let the public know? Give me your conspiracy theories!
krasnov is cleaning house and starting at the top to show off
Shit stain
Meh. I used to think it was bad to not feel bad about someones death. Used to.
There's a meme theory floating around that Lindsey was blood sacrifice to keep McConnell going.
I prefer to believe that by keeping McConnell on life support, he's propping the door open.
(and as per rule 4: I'm merely pointing out that a meme exists, as it's tangentially relevant to the discussion)
Um. Hmm. If he has any little grandchildren who are sad about grandpa’s death, then they have my sympathy.
Otherwise I got nothin'.
Thats too bad.
That his illness was brief I mean.
Mitch snatched up those lil ladybugs
He died, but how are the ladybugs doing? Have they been saved? They should clip them off and Steven Miller can chew on them for power when there aren't any minority children to suffer.
What I love most about Graham dying is Trump is already feeling the cold breath of death on the back of his neck. With the Mitch the Turtle retreating into his shell, and now a younger Graham dropping dead, Trump will definitely be feeling his days are numbered.
Rot in hell, scumbag. Hope they roast your fucking ladybugs down there.
You can point out how this makes the world a better place but don't celebrate that fact because it is against the rules here.
Man, if death can get Graham and McConnel in the same week, that would by quite the to-do.
What is the illness that took him. My Kelshi bet it some sort of Facist Ass Syphilis. I say that as we have learned since John Fetterman became a senator, brain damage make you more conservative. Syphilis is know to cause brain damage if left treated.
I did kinda hope it would be chlamydia related so we could clap this garbage off the stage
lol
Now how will we know which way the wind is blowing?
I’m not celebrating. But I’m not sad either
☺️
Rest in pieces, bitch
Happy he's dead but does this feel a little sus? Dude was just traveling and doing his thing. Did he threaten to release dirt on Trump or something
Wait. Really?
I guess the male escorts over there aren't as safe as elsewhere.
"As a party, we are better to risk losing without Donald Trump than trying to win with him. Enough already with Mister Trump."
"It’s like [choosing between] being shot or poisoned." (About whether he would choose Trump or Cruz for the President of the United States.)
"If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed... and we will deserve it."
"Embracing Donald Trump is embracing demographic death."
"Finally, a president willing to take on this absurd policy of birthright citizenship. I’ve always supported comprehensive immigration reform – and at the same time – the elimination of birthright citizenship."
"If you’re a young, African American or an immigrant, you can go anywhere in this state, you just need to be conservative, not liberal."
"This is the party of Donald Trump."
"I want you to use my words against me."
—Lindsey Graham, 1955-2026
Damn, it's raining men(ish) in hell.
🦀
I wonder if the fbi is going to send a contractor in to replace his cement and flooring immediately?
Bye
@return2ozma Choked on his own hypocrisy?
Thortsnprairs
Maybe he got the diarrhea lettuce shits and shit himself to death?
look i'm sorry i'll wash the lettuce from my garden better okay ain't gotta keep rubbing it in
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was assassination to scare up support for the SAVE act.
So anyway.....anyone know who would be running to replace him? Does Colbert have a residence in SC?
Not the one we wanted
Well, one of the ones.
They're trying to pull some shenanigans with McConnell, and whatever forces exist in the universe said no way José, I'll just take another one.
Two Republican leaders?! didn't I read about the White House fortifying the doors and building a secret hospital?
And we attacked Venezuela and Iran, threatened Greenland and Cuba, and let's just say we are not making friends.
I wonder what the process in South Carolina is to replace him. I believe he was up for re-election this November. Will his seat be filled temporarily by the governor? Will his name remain on the ballot? I believe he already won the Republican Primary election in South Carolina, so how will another Republican candidate run? Anyone here familiar with South Carolina elections?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/sen-lindsey-graham-dies-71-brief-sudden-illness-rcna552722
"According to South Carolina law, McMaster will appoint someone to fill Graham’s seat until Jan. 3 of next year.
In June, Graham defeated multiple primary challengers to secure the nomination for a fifth term. South Carolina Republicans must now find a replacement nominee, with a special primary election expected by August 11 under the state’s election laws."
So interim replacement for rest of term, new primary by 8/11 to pick a new Republican candidate, general election in November, whoever wins replaces the interim appointee in January.
Sounds like a reasonable and efficient process unlike Kentucky
yeah, i like this method (have a special primary to replace a withdrawn candidate) better than just appointing someone. although ranked choice voting would have solved the problem already.
Should we celebrate his death? No But we can fully and completely agree he hurt the country in more ways than one, was a giant hypocrite, licked boots like no one could, and did celebrate in other's deaths.
No celebration. I do have more important things to knock out today.
I think we are all waiting for the pedo-king to die now.. Graham is just the appetizer
Closets around the world are flying their flag half-mast.
Critical support for comrade Zelensky.