Donald Trump cuts all US trade with Spain over Iran war dispute
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Well if you were not sure, this is clear evidence Spain did the right thing
Let's hope the rest of europe finally understands Trump ain't their friend and never was
The rest of europe is mostly right-wing.
As Trump said about Starmer:
You are goddam right it isn't you malignant sociopath. And it's all 100% your fault, and the Americans that voted for you twice!
3 times.
They voted for a felon rapist pedophile 3 times.
It's the ones that he won that count.
You're talking like that's a bad thing.
It absolutely is, I want USA to go back to the optimism and respect for human rights they had in the 70's.
Cooperation is generally a good thing, but it's impossible to cooperate with USA now. Their values are simply too different from ours.
We (EU) support democracy and human rights, USA support authoritarians and corruption, and work against what used to be shared values.
Many migrants on boats would disagree, as well as many African nations.
Still leagues better than the US though.
EU has helped a lot boat migrants, and it's not a human right to enter EU.
Sure buddy.
The 70s? Like, during the Vietnam war? Or when they installed Pinochet? The US never cared about human rights.
Like in Libya? Or Israel? The idea of the EU as a shining beacon of human rights is nothing more than PR; it's just another neocolonial empire. Respectfully, you should (re)learn some post-WWII history.
Cooperation for good is a good thing; cooperation between tyrants to more efficiently practice their tyranny is a bad thing. The historical EU-US relationship falls under the latter category.
The Vietnam war started in 1955 and ENDED in the 70's.
There were also massive protests against that war in the 70's, and the peace-movement was way more active in the 70's than any other decade. Humanitarian values were clearly on the rise, and Carter was elected in 1976, the most humanitarian president USA ever had.
That's still 1970-1973, or four of ten years one would call "the 70s." That said, if you want more examples you can consult this list, among others. And let's not forget all the evil shit Israel got up to with American permission in this time period. Also... uh... mind responding to everything else I said? Unless you're conceding those other points, in which case fair enough.
Response to your edit: The peace movement was nice, but neither it nor Carter prevented the US from installing and supporting foreign dictators, arming Israel or giving diplomatic cover to the Khmer Rouge. Carter was a good man if I'm not mistaken, but the state apparatus he presided over was as unapologetically evil as ever.
As I very clearly wrote, progress was fast in the 70's, and ideals about peace, democracy and human rights were on the rise.
Progress being fast, clearly means things were better late 70's than early 70's.
I also never claimed things were only sunshine and rainbows, only that things got better.
You write like someone who did not experience the 70's, and is completely ignorant about the mentality of the 70's compared to the pragmatism that was before and came back very quickly after.
I absolutely agree that after WW2 USA took a new role upon themselves, to act as global police, and they clearly got drunk on their own power.
But there's a huge difference between the progress of the 70's, and the insane armament and undermining of workers unions, the poor and even democracy that Reagan began in the 80's. And the normalization in the White house of illegal practices with the Iran Contra, that had zero consequences for the administration.
Sure, except none of this is relevant to the topic. It's hard to argue that things weren't somewhat (and only somewhat) better in the 70s, but... so what? The pendulum was always going to swing in the other direction, and it did before the US did anything even close to redeeming itself. What's your point here?
Jesus Fucking Christ this man is a fucking child. He is constantly throwing tantrums any time he doesn't get his way.
it describes his supporters as well.
It's screaming babies all the way down
There's a joke about the epstein files in there I ain't gonna make… but it's there.
Haha. That's not the image I was going for
The frightening thing is that it often works for him. At least in short term.
His brain is mush. Have you ever been around someone who is losing their mind. Nothing coming out of their mouth makes much sense and most of it is anger.
He did admit he stopped growing/maturing by age 6. It tracks.
The Karen administration.
Infanticide.
And Spain, before you count yourself blessed of being rid of them ..... It will only lasts until he or one of his oligarch's can make a buck, then it's taco time all over again.
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Can't let perfect be the enemy of good!
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Ahhh gotcha
I'm more interested in seeing what happens with the second part of his threat, that he'll "use those bases whether spain likes it or not".
I believe that's called an incursion on foreign soil.
It's called: instead of uniting together to eliminate Iran we should gather together and eliminate the US government with its oligarchs. This will immediately solve a lot of problems in this world.
Is it? They're already there, so the incursion has already occurred.
I'd place military outside those bases just to be sure if i were Spain.
Go Spain!
Will someone ever succeed in explaining Trump what the EU is?
I'm pretty sure no one has ever successfully explained anything to Trump.
Certainly not the age of consent. Or consent in general.
Remember when he tried to discuss a trade deal with Merkel? And she is like "uh, that's not how it works"
I didn't know there were any left. Good job, Spain!
Green Party in the UK are getting a louder voice, ie more support and members than ever.
That's good, since Labour turned out to be Tory lite just like Democrats being Republican lite.
Yeah they are picking up a lot of support from disenfranchised labour voters.
You should also look into the Hungarian elections coming up its starting to look like their far right leader will lose!
Don't get too excited. Yes, it's a split from Orban and Magyar is more pro-EU, but Tisza (the new party) is a splinter group from Fidesz (Orban's party) and share many of the same views domestically.
Basically, same far right people but willing to stfu to get access to EU funds again.
I haven't looked into it too much myself but that would still be a pretty good improvement since the new party would probably approve more bills that hungry is currently blocking if they didn't then they still wouldn't get funding
That would be awesome! Do it, people!
There are many left-leaning left left.
I'm all for the move, and I'm definitely a progressive, but I think it'd be good for people to understand that Sanchez is no Idealist. The man is a party rat, and all his moves are calculated to keep himself in power.
As I said, I agree with the move, but the motivation is not what people think it is.
I guess it's the broken clock thing.
Good job on Spain for having a spine
The shame I have for my country is only matched by my admiration for Spain and any other country that tells President Pedo to eat shit.
They aren't even telling him to eat shit out of spite or dislike. Just being congruent in their foreign policy.
Did you mean consistent?
Congruent:
Similar to or in agreement with something, so that two things can both exist or be combined without issues.
"¡Come mierda, pinche guero cagaleche!"
oh no, how will Spain handle not being able to get American exports???
The upside is that it has the potential to bring Europe even closer together.
Because people think EU is like the US when it's much less united, not even having a common language.
Which also means that the people behind trump are also going to lose money. He can't piss off his handlers.
They’ll pass any loss on to the American people, whether that’s jacking up prices or the government bailing them out with our tax dollars. What remains to be seen is just how much his average supporters will tolerate and justify until the cost to them becomes unbearable. I hope more nations follow this lead; cut us off or get him to cut your nation off, strangle us economically and make us a pariah on the global stage. His loyalists and bots and foreign bad actors may be a loud minority on the internet, but they’re still a minority and getting a free pass to be a western male chauvinist isn’t going to keep party-line voters content when their businesses fail, their mortgages default, and their kids start dying in Iran.
Good thing it's not actually happening then.
Thanks to their unified trade policy, the only way for Trump to cut off trade with Spain is to cut off trade with the entire EU. I seriously doubt he's willing to do that.
Yes, it protects the smaller countries as much as the big ones. Any trade retaliation, like cutting off Spain means all members would cut off USA.
All he's doing is creating more states willing to drop USA softly. Denmark was shocked awake. Now Spain. Hopefully Ireland soon. France has always been moderately awake.
The USA is not a trustworthy partner. Their interests conflict with European values and European interests more and more.
Ruasia and china are worries, but Russia less so as it's seen to be weak but disruptive. China acts reliably but sometimes against others interests. China are less collaborative but moving to be moreso. They will do what they can to fill the void.
Add all this uncertainty with another war in the middle east and we're in for a rough few years. It looks like Iran has been preparing for a drawn out war for quite a while. The USA has not, yet started one.
In theory.
Maybe losing in the short time, but getting rid of fossil dependency is in my opinion a good thing. And most of the other things have (maybe suboptimal) alternatives.
Also, now Trump has no leverage against Spain, so that's another good thing? And its time to increase trade with China, India, etc. 😸
yhea, but it's like ripping of a bandaid. the sooner the US turns into an isolated pariah state, the better
And of the millions of people living in the US, all the minorities, all the people who didn't vote for Trump, all the vulnerable... just... fuck 'em?
I don't really want an isolated pariah state with nukes, 10 aircraft carriers and the biggest army on earth. I think that's going to make things even worse for everyone on earth.
imperialist BS, the US fucking over the globe for your benefit is good for you. the world stopping the US from fucking over the globe, which means it'll just fuck over it's people, is bad for you.
I'm not American.
I don't think turning the US into an isolated pariah state will stop the US from fucking over the globe. Quite the contrary, I think it will just make it even worse. I don't think there's any situation in which a nation will "just fuck over it's people" - we live in a globalized world, that's a pipe dream.
I think accelerationism is a very privileged take. The first people to die will be the most vulnerable, which obviously must not be you, or you wouldn't refer to them as "it's people".
better than enabling it and help it.
They can always overthrow him (and the rest of their ruling class). It's one genocide too late to worry about Americans; at this point the world has to move on and they can sink or swim. I'm not happy it had to come to this, but given their complete inability to reign in their ruling class I'm not going to complain now that nature is running its course.
Me neither, but it's better than a murderous neocolonial empire with 1/4 of the world as vassal states. A lot, I daresay most, of the evil the US gets up to on a monthly basis is only made possible by the cooperation of its so-called allies.
...which is why I doubt this will actually happen. Too many US oligarchs would lose money. It's just more posturing by the Taco.
Surely looking at the global economy through a western capitalist perspective is the answer.
Socialism is the answer.
No, its who you are right now.
Those are annual numbers.
TACO, so we're looking at, what, a week?
The upside is the orange demented man will change his mind about it next week.
Im sure china has something they can use
As an Spaniard, this is the bare minimum I expect from my government. Better yet would be to evict the US from the Rota and Morón bases.
Spain is jumping a sinking ship. Kudos for being first.
I only respect Spain more for having standards.
canada:
The MAGA fucks still fail to realize how important the US military installations in the EU are for their stupid military adventures. Spain is 100% correct and the rest of the EU members should do the same to bring the entire ill planned shitshow, created by Israel and the USA, to an abrupt end.
As a European, I feel that we are still tiptoeing around Trumps threats and perhaps need a catalyst to start our transition away from reliance upon the US. The UK had Brexit which was wholly dumb. However, Europe is so much more than just a tiny island
It is always good to not look at what geopolitcal actors say, but what they do. For example the Make in Europe initative, the massive trade deals with Mercosur, India and a lot of other countries and blocks recently, a move towards local weapons and software purchases, working on replacing Visa and Mastercard with the digital Euro and so forth.
European countries were in general close allies of the US. That created a close reliance, which can not be cut without a lot of pain overnight. The biggest issue seems to be Russia right now. Having the US as a NATO member at least on paper defending members against Russia is usefull. As are the ability to purchase some American weapons, without European alternatives or with too low production numbers like Patriot. The smart move is to reduce the dependence on the US steadily, while not causing too many big breaks, which hurt Europe.
Probably a good comparison is what happened with Russia after the full scale invasion. A lot of yelling at each other. Massive fights on different positions and then half a year later the EU mostly cut off Russian fossil fuels, managed to set up a steady supply of arms and other aid to Ukraine, provide support for millions of refugees and so forth.
MEGA - Make Europe great again?
Fuck no!
There will be some, like the Brexiteers. However, my though is that the entire world needs to reduce dependency upon the US, and the Trillionaire class.
Yeah, it's a continent to start.
Also, no such thing as "european", it's a bunch of different countries and most of them have been turning fascist in the last few years, just look at the growth of Le Pen in France and AfD in Germany, to name a few.
There is such a thing as Europe. Not just as a continent, but as a political and cultural block. The main actor being the European Union, which is somewhere between the closest alliance and the weakest federation in the world. One key part about the EU is that it has strength somewhat independ from the members governments. The main parts of that are the European Comission and Parliament. The European Union then has a close sphere of influence mainly defined by the countries actively working on joing the EU and the EEA. Somewhat also the UK, which is in a weird position due to Brexit.
All of that is actually also chaning from an identity point of view. As in people see themself as citizens of Europe and their indiviual country. Even the far right is moving on that, with the more moderate(and they are still evil) no longer questioning the EU as such, but rather how it works. You can also see the European flag flown at protests in a lot of different places like for example Georgia.
That's propaganda or total BS, only the rich EU countries see themselves as european.
If you look at polling, then it is the opposite and still a large group, who see themself as European.
Source: https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/2230
An europa.eu poll huh? Ok
It is really great that there are still people on the internet, who can be convinced by facts. Otherwise you would have given me a source proving me wrong.
Fuck the orange pedo we keep all the chorizo for ourself
Not all your chorizo, I hope. I'd like some up here in Denmark.
OK, some chorizo, but no ibérico
Pls? A lil bit, as a treat?
Oh come off it. Like any of us can afford jamon ibérico.
Misleading title as nothing happened yet and AFAIK he can't. EU is a single economic zone.
They could always just block everything with Spanish origin. But as long as it doesn't say Made in Spain or clearly list the original sender, it's easy to just route it through another EU country. Though that could be seen as avoiding an embargo? Depends on the language used I guess. Obviously the EU would not help him enact this blockade.
The EU is not going to allow falsified place-of-origin papers.
Doesn't matter, because if Trump blocks trade with Spain, EU law requires that they shut down all trade with the US, period. Unified Trade Policy; you don't get to make individual trade deals with EU member states, and you don't get to selectively accept or reject trade with EU member states. It's all or nothing. It would be like someone trying to block all trade with Alabama.
That aside, his ability to impose tariffs without congress approval was just limited, right?
I'm not a US law expert but it would be weird if he couldn't set a 20% tariff but was allowed to stop trading with a country completely.
I mean, following that line of reasoning he shouldn't even be able to wage a war just like that, but humor me here...
It was legally limited but he immediately imposed new tariffs anyway.
I thought that was under a different legal pretext that caps them at max 15% and for a limited time
Correct. The USSC rejected his claim to be able to impose unlimited tariffs (under a law that says no such thing), which forced him to then rely on an entirely different law that potentially offers him the ability to impose much more restricted tariffs; 15%, for 90 days, and he has to impose them equally across all trading partners. Which is threatening to upend a bunch of the deals they already made.
It's also likely not legal either, but it'll have to go through the courts again. This time around it's because the law he's now using only applies where there is a "balance of payments" issue; basically, where the US is in danger of running out of actual physical money to make payments with. This literally cannot happen with fiat currencies; it's a law that was designed to handle issues that can only occur with precious metal backed currencies. This a very real problem that used to happen. I think the most famous example I can bring to mind is the Opium Wars, which basically happened because Britain was buying so much tea from China, while selling them almost nothing in return, that they were running out silver to pay the Chinese with.
He actually can implement temporary sanctions but afaik they also fall into another emergency power provision and I don't know if they can override existing trade deals from congress.
This is the only comment here that matters. Nothing has happened. Nothing will happen, because Trump is going to piss his pants and scream and moan, and then all of his advisors are going to explain to him for the sixteenth time that the only want to cut off trade with Spain is to cut off trade with the entire EU. No more Ferraris and Lambos. No more guns for their Abrams tanks. No more French cheese and wine. No more US trade to a market of 450 million comparatively wealthy people.
Even the actual headline of the article reads "Trump to cut off all US trade with Spain over refusal to use military bases in Iran war". Because it hasn't happened yet. And it won't. It's just another empty threat from a pathetic, brainless coward.
Oh something did happen: he managed to piss off more people or piss them off even more than they were.
US products boycott can only gets worse.
Well, I'll grant you that.
He has not cut trade. He said he is going to cut trade.
This is important. He says a lot of shit, and it just goes no where. His base though.... They don't read. They repeat and echo the headlines.
And unless he's willing to cut all trade with the EU, he can't. The EU's unified trade policy says that you can only trade with one member on the same terms that you trade with all other members.
The US doesn’t really trade with Spain. American citizens and corporations do.
On what legal authority does he think he can control what Americans do?
The legal authority part is far less of an issue. Governments have the power to control what does or does not cross their borders. Trump's authority in that regard isn't infinite, but he does have access to a number of legal mechanisms that could likely enable, at the very least, a temporary pause on trade. It would likely turn into another supreme court fight like the stuff with the tariffs. But, perversely, shutting off trade entirely with a country, rather than tariffing it, is actually more likely to fall within the framing of the IEEPA, for one thing. It grants the president the authority to "regulate" trade under certain conditions. It was ruled that this doesn't include tariffs - that's a power of Congress - but simply saying "Nothing crosses our border" might actually be a more clear cut case of "regulating" (ie, controlling).
This is the "art of the deal" for a toddler who's been accustomed to no one calling their bluff.
I just hope Spain doesn't concede.
He's going to tapas out
That's a hilarious autocorrection.
I hope Carney builds up Canada's Spain trade relationship more. It honestly seems like a pretty cool country. Middle power countries should just use Trumps various outbursts to excise the states if need be, and to support each other. Someone else noted that the US primary exports are fossil fuels and machinery -- Canada's already exporting a bunch of machinery that way, and clearly has some fossil fuels available.
The next President is going to have so much work to do repair country relations. This man thinks he is king of the world and can do whatever he wants.
I suspect you're significantly more screwed than just one next president.
Insert It's Joeover Biden meme.
The sooner the US realizes there is no coming back from this, no matter who is elected in future - the better.
There is no coming back from this because US dollar dominance is waning. Internal American decay is either secondary to that, or a symptom of that, or both. That's what's really behind the scenes in all of this (that and Israel's dreams of their own Zionazi Lebensraum, Eretz Israel).
The US used to be able to exert soft power to control the world, which lends itself much more towards moral superiority and an air of legitimacy than "do what I say or I bomb you or kidnap your president". BRICS, mostly-failed Russian sanctions, and the slow death of the petrodollar are changing that ability. That they're so desperate to maintain dominance that they now resort to borderline-world-war levels of violence is not an indicator of their strength to the world, it's the desperate death throes of the old world order.
The important thing is that the US Empire (so Israel as well) is stopped before they can reach a fully automated army and/or police force, because that's violence that obeys without compunction. If it reaches that point, it's a whole different game.
Why? What does that even accomplish, the only move there is to make is to start grinding away to repair things
Cause in either 4 or 8 years the US will vote in another Trump, but younger and smarter. Trump might go someday but his bullshit, neoliberal, hypercapitalistic, super charged climate change, pro-billionaire, pro-corporation, anti-free trade ideas won’t
Yep, they’ve been voting this kind of lunatic in for years.
You’re right, they’ll do it again or won’t care.
More like the next five. All this damage is gonna take at least a generation to undo.
The problem is that we know what’s to blame, so I’m not sure if the next president will alter the view now in many peoples eyes.
The problem is the people. They aren’t willing to do their national duty when it’s required, including now. They’ve mouthed off for years about how they and their second amendment right stops this kind of shit happening and have always been quick to criticise other democracies about their policing, control and lack of freedom.
Still, now, the only thing that can stop this, stop it all, are the citizens of the US. They won’t do it, though, and we’ll get a heap of excuses as to why.
So no, the next president won’t make any difference to me, what will is what the American people, whose feet this squarely lies at, do about it. I don’t think I’m alone.
"thinks" the level of enabling means he is
How can the rest of the world get this deal??
Now Spain can make it clear that if trump sets foot on Spanish land land he'll be arrested and sent to the ICC, same as for the Israelis.
USA is a tyrant country
Always has been
Trump should be pleased with Spain, they even named a military base after him:
"Trump's comments came after the US relocated 15 aircraft, including refuelling tankers, from the Rota and Moron military bases in southern Spain after the country's Socialist leadership said it would not allow them to be used to attack Iran."
Good job on the Republican Party for being complicit in our current president continuing to absolutely wreck the global image of the U.S. on top of everything else.
Yeah it’s the voters you need to blame here.
They or their lack of participation put them there.
They can get them out too, now, if they want.
"Blame the lambs being led to the slaughter, not the shepherds who gave them no choice."
You're a truly enlightened genius who is contributing greatly to the cause.
Eh, I say blame both. They're sapient lambs.
That's reasonable. The voters bear some responsibility, but it needs to be acknowledged that the system is set up so they have as little power as possible while maintaining the illusion of democracy.
You are not lamb without agency. You can change this if you actually wanted to.
Every. Single. Time.
It’s on the voters. Stop whining through another piece of philosophy.
"Don't complain about your leaders. It's your fault." Is not the convincing argument you think it is.
The leaders the voters repeatedly put there
It’s a lot better than blaming everything outside the genuine reason. Probably the reason it isn’t convincing to Americans is because they can’t take responsibility for it.
Obviously it makes a difference; the Republican voters use it well enough. The people they elected are trying to stop potential Democrat voters from doing it.
Just take some fucking responsibility.
It is also the voters yes but they are being deceived by the propaganda machine, idk at a certain point maybe the guys and gals actively stripping human rights from people and grabbing power can take a little blame
It’s the voters.
Sooner or later responsibility needs to be taken and excuses stopped.
No, the voters should take the blame for putting them there repeatedly. They won’t though…blame elsewhere, look elsewhere for a lifeline, do it all again.
Spain has finally left behind its era of servility towards the US and is beginning to act with sovereignty and in accordance with international law. It is a pity that the political opposition in Spain is siding with the country that threatens Spain and not with the legitimate government of Spain. Patriotism means defending the interests of your country's citizens, not the interests of the country that threatens yours.
Ah Spain, can we interest you in some Canadian products instead?
I found OJ from Spain at Costco last week
Traitor
?
Was a joke
Honestly we (,the U.S) don't have anything worthwhile.
You can find a better version of whatever you are looking for, some place else.
I dunno, they will no longer have access to new AI versions of Microsoft Windows, or Teams.
The horror!
All this does is inspire non-US alternatives
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As funny as it is to joke about that, I imagine that could collapse the entire Spanish government if they have no backup solution.
Maybe France will share the software they are working on
That might be so but it would take months or years to get everything switched over. And we are not even talking about how long it will take to retrain all government personel to use the new systems.
Ah. Thats unfortunate. yes, I was joking but I do wish them good fortune in dumping US tech products. I'd dump them too if I could. I love the giant golden cahones Spain has shown in standing up to US/Israeli bullying.
We have opposums.
Maybe unfortunately this is not true.
Yet.
Look at the Spanish banks: they all use cloud services provided by Amazon, Google, Microsoft and IBM. Secure comms? Probably GlobalProtect or similar.
Trump could turn off the banking system with the flip of a switch (yes, this is just a literary figure).
Until the European companies take seriously the digital sovereignty issue and switch to (or create) European alternatives the US can wreck our economies. Of course, then we could go nuclear and blow up the US treasury bonds. But it is clearly a lose-lose situation.
I fully support the Spanish government (and, keep in mind, I’m a Catalan secessionist!) but the situation has to be threaded carefully. Very carefully.
Do you think those companies would just quetly roll over when president is compromising the second largest market for them?
It would make a lot of rich people very unhappy and next round of political donations would most certainly go to whom ever promises to undo his bullshit.
Trump doesn't get what he wants. Trump throws a temper tantrum.
Spain is in the EU. How difficult would it be for a Spanish exporter to open a field office in Germany and export from there?
This is idiotic.
France or Portugal are closer, so yeah.
Main exports:
USA to Spain: Petroleum
Spain to USA: Refined Petroleum
Now, I'm sure this is bad business for both parts, but it's a helluva lot worse practically for USA to be without refined petroleum than it is for Spain not to have petroleum to refine.
Anyway, I'll make sure to eat double the amount of Spanish tomatoes this week.
What a fucking child, oh wait he also rapes children.
Honestly, those two are likely psychologically connected.
Idiotic move. It won't harm Spain without also cutting trade with the entire EU and even Morocco.
Just goes to show how stupid Trump is
Good. I wish the rest of Europe was this based.
That is not just politically impossible, oh the lawsuits, but physically impossible. Not for weeks at the very least. His attention span is approximately 18 hours. So TACO.
This is a bullshit without context.
Cutting off trade with Spain would mean cutting off trade with the whole EU.
So this is embarrassing non-news.
Only thing I saw in a German headline article at all about this topic was a comment about how Merz did not tell Trump that fact (again...🙄) directly at the mentioned meeting.
The US company I work for is a massive multinational manufacturing corporation with factories all over the world, including Spain. What the fuck are supposed to do, cut ties with our own facilities, because the orange pig is throwing a tantrum?
Trade will continue on as normal. He can't actually unilaterally stop trade by decree but the fucking news media will never tell you that.
Everything will go through France or Portugal first.
¡Viva españa!
And nothing of value was lost.
Came to post this lol
FUCK USA, FUCK ISRAEL AND FUCK IRAN regime! go fuck your selfs! People are dying for you to play games! fuck off. FUCK USA.
I stand with Spain and the rest of Europe.
I have bad news for you about the rest of Europe
Fuck the Iranian government for what they did to protestors for sure, but they did nothing to start this war. We all know US / Israel doesn't give a shit about Iranian protestors so that's not related. It's just another step on the path to their Zionazi Lebensraum, "Eretz Israel".
What's the Spanish equivalent of "freedom fries"?
papas bravas
Patatas braves
Chorizo de la libertad? 🤷
Freedom Fly
Oh well. Fuck the US. I’d literally take anything from Spain over anything from the USA any day.
As somebody in the US, same.
Trump, also known as the senile orange shitstrain hitler toddler… the name is getting longer and longer…
Hey, if anyone in Spain wants to hack the US and leak the Epstein files, please do.
Ehh it's worked before.
Spain, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 3,000,000 files that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.
no great loss for spain.
Didn't the Supreme Court just say that was illegal?
I don't buy a lot of Spanish products... but I do live outside of the fucked US and can. what's the easiest way for me to start supporting them?
You answered yourself.
Buy Spanish games https://www.gamespress.com/Check-the-25-hottest-Spanish-indie-games-featured-in-the-GameSpain-Dir
You know BDS (if not look it up)? Do the opposite of that with Spanish companies.
Spain: the country where cojones come from.
The shithead makes it a lot easier for China, every day.
What a snowflake.
So, like, Spain no longer has access to any US trading businesses? No more Microsoft, no more AWS hosted services, no more access to any business trading out of the USA? All US trade with Spain?
Or... is he just lying?
Given that Spain is a part of the EU and the US can't have independent trade agreements with member nations of it - a thing that Angela Merkel infamously had to explain to Trump multiple times while Trump kept pestering her at a meeting for a US/Germany trade agreement - I'd say lying. Assuming you don't charitably count "too pudding-brained to understand what he's talking about" as something other than lying, I suppose.
The pedophile strikes again.
Surely this will help the affordability crisis.
Now their girls are safe
One thing I've been wondering through this whole story is does the US need Spain's bases at all here? I mean we have a lot more bases a lot closer. So it's all just posturing right?
Considering the US has bases in most of the EU, yes, it's tantrums.
Who give a fuck at this point.
Didn't America start because some rich folks didn't like the idea of a crazy guy who acts like a King taxing imports on a whim?
The founders also warned us against letting it happen again, and said we should all get to carry guns in case it does.
Hmmm
Americans will buy Iberico Ham made in Kentucky now. On more serious note, it's easy (and cheap) to impose an economic embargo on the US, just say something their president doesn't want to hear.
Hope you like screw cap wine
And shitty imitation Spanish Ham from Texas
I prefer my wine in a 3L juicebox.
Fuck you trump, keep your shit in your diapers you orange pedophile.
Good. This needs to happen more. Have them come back to the table begging for the resources they need and don't/can't produce. It would be so lovely. Have the day you voted for!
Yesterday: Spain is a terrific country, really, it is, I mean, one of the the best in Europe, many say the best, and they love me there, they really, do, all of, I mean, the best Spainians, they love, me, they do, they say Donald you're the best US president for us, ever, better than all the others, they were losers and didn't understand Europe, but you do, you're the best, possibly the best leader of any country, of all time, and I do, I understand Europe, propably, better than anyone else...
Today: Spain is a terrible country, really, one of the worst in Europe, we're going to cut off all trade with them, we don't want anything to do with them, and many people agree, and I know many important leaders, they're my friends, and they love me, really they do, and they all agree, except maybe that Pedro Sánchez guy, lazy Pedro I call him, but I don't know, sleepy Sánchez, well he wouldn't, would he, because he's the king of Spain, and did you know they're still a monarchy, truly terrible system of government, and a bad country and I never liked their pie-ella, it's not a good dish, I mean, come on, it doesn't even compare to a Big Mac or anything, and there's no fries, and people all agree, everyone agrees, and they love, me, they do, they say 'Donald you're the best US president for us, ever, better than all the others, they were losers and didn't understand Europe, but you do, you're the best, possibly the best leader of any country, of all time, and I do, I understand Europe, propably, better than anyone else...
Tomorrow: Spain is a terrific country, really, it is, I mean, one of the the best in Europe, many say the best, and they love me there, they really, do, all of, I mean, the best Spainians, they love, me, they do, they say Donald you're the best US president for us, ever, better than all the others, they were losers and didn't understand Europe, but you do, you're the best, possibly the best leader of any country, of all time, and I do, I understand Europe, propably, better than anyone else...
Wait, Europe? That can't be right, why do they speak like South Americans then?
He's such a child.
So, should we replace all the crap that the United States sells us? Thank you, Mr. Trump.
Art of the dipshit
Hey Spain, please make a brand of Cava called "he is dead!". I'll buy a bottle and open it the day Trump dies. I'll buy one for Putin as well, and maybe one for Orban too..
I'm sure this won't have consequences downstream for anyone
It actually won't, because it's not going to happen. The only way you can cut trade with one EU member is by cutting trade with all EU members, and he's not going to do that.
I guess we'll find out
Spain trades mostly with EU so it's just petty revenge PR stunt
I look forward to hearing about how all the countries who are holding US bonds decide to sell them, crash the USD, and switch to the Euro as the new global reserve currency. Because that’s how this is going to end. And that’s one of the reasons I’m looking more seriously and concretely into moving to Europe permanently.
The real sick history of Israel:
https://www.printernational.co.uk/timmann2/history.htm
We? Fuck you Trump, I want my vermut!
Spain should quickly establish trade relations with China in the absence of trade with the US.
We've already seen Germany violate the statutes of the EU by (allegedly) harboring Benjamin Netanyahu while he has an ICC warrant for his arrest.
No strong reasons to stick with the federation right now