ICE agents keep accidentally shooting themselves
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And that also makes him the greatest artist.
I mean consider this... using nothing but the concrete walls of the Führerbunker as canvas, his own grey matter as paint, and his trusty sidearm as a brush, he created the most impactful painting of humanity.
That thought just made my day a bit brighter, hopefully Trump will make a similar piece soon.
He does every day, but it's in his diaper.
Torpedo tube 1 loaded. Tube 1 now flooded. Safeties off for point blank firing solution. Fire! Direct hit.
Unfortunately he lacks the self awareness. But nonetheless. His every choice leads him toward that end.
If only we had footage to make fun gifs out of
Doubtless a picture-generating AI could do it.
Left leaning in the end.
How about you put that in a fucking spoiler tag bud
I tired to put a lot of space. I'll edit. Sorry.
My lemmy client doesn't automatically truncate posts like some other social media platforms do. For sensitive stuff like this, just use the spoiler so people don't have to scroll past a bunch of useless dots.
If you’re gonna post that I’d hide it behind a spoiler
I tried to put a lot of space. I'll edit. Sorry.
All good, I’m pretty desensitized to violent imagery online at this point, just trying to look out for others. Your edit worked, I appreciate it. Also lol at “irony”
Is that his actual death though? To me it just looks like sarcastic acting.
Like he's making fun of the idea of getting shot.
It's sarcastic editing in fact.
Edit: my trigger warnings were genuine, despite a bit of humour in the last one.
Wait, was it a gun? Or was it cyanide pills?
Both. Swallowed cyanide in case the bullet didn't work
It’ll be a national holiday when Trump goes. Just need to think up a properly passive aggressive name for it. Liberation day kinda works, but might be too ironic.
Not like you think. Boomers will gather in parks and shit their pants in honor of the Orange Fuhrer.
April 30 was never made a Jewish Holiday.
Regan-Trump geriatric awareness day?
Celebrated by organizing against people in government who are too fucking old to be driving a car, let alone running the country?
It will also be effectively legal to shit on gravesites that day. Not because of any change in the law, but because it would take too much work to enforce on dementia day.
Nancy Reagan wanted the Republicans to increase funding of dementia research, they ignored her.
Cause of death awareness bay would be a positive spin I supposed.
Or pick something like ureathra health day, and sell urinal cakes with his face or gravestone on them.
Call it maga day, but with an intonation that now that he's gone we can actually make a better society
Maybe long live the king day.
Honesty I'm down for the just glad he's dead and hope his movement follows soon day
Let’s see:
Hitlers killed:
Hitler - 1
Everyone else - 0
Yep. This is true.
I'd bet some people got a few of his ancestors at some point.
Yeah, but he also killed the guy who killed Hitler.
Keep up the good work assholes
Remember in 8 Mile when Cheddar Bob shot himself in the leg with his own gun? Same thing. The only difference here is Cheddar Bob was a lovable idiot instead of a fascist.
Well good. It's about time they shoot someone who deserves it.
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Ask a friend.
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What?
Coming from a multigenerational family of LE and Military I can tell you first hand that NDs are never common. Not even slightly.
LE and ND?
Not everyone lives in the acronym country.
LE - Law Enforcement, ND - Negligent Discharge
Thanks!
LE = lawful evil
LOL. Now this acronym actually makes a lot more sense.
National Dickheads.
Lemmy has TMA*.
*Too many acronyms
Thanks! That’s a handy one.
LE = Law Enforcement ND = Negligent Discharge.
Depends who you talk to. I know a guy in construction who has had to patch bullet holes in several LEO houses. Also at the sport men's club I'm a member of, the only shooting injury we've had was from a state trooper during a training excercise. You're point is valid, though. NDs are supposed to be minimalized through training and adherence to the 4 gun rules. These guys are morons.
It's dangerous.
Don't touch that.
Not that way.
What an I missing? Is the fourth also the first?
I was missing:
Those guys are just typical gun owners. US has 44,000 accidental gun injuries a year, likely 5X more accidental discharges no one knows about.
Reminds me of ‘Being a cop isn't that dangerous’.
"ND"? I can get as far as N-somthing Discharge.
Negligent
Ah, derp. TY. That seems really obvious in hindsight.
"TY"? I can get as far as T-somthing Yaoi.
touche
Touché Yaoi? Online? That’s disgusting. Where?
I know very few Leo’s or vets, like only a couple. But one that I do know NDed himself in the thigh while servicing his gun.
So you 0/N is somewhat offset by my 1/4.
Servicing a gun with a round in the chamber is negligent unless you’re in active combat.
There’s no context provided, but I can’t see any situation where you service a loaded firearm and point it at your thigh.
Oh yeah totally negligent. Which was my point. There are plenty of negligent cops and service members for every careful one.
Are you saying he was cleaning a loaded gun? Or am I misunderstanding?
Was a friend of my brothers and I think he did it while attempting to clear it before cleaning.
Ah, thank you for the clarification.
There's no such thing as an accidental discharge. There are negligent discharges and there are mechanical disasters. If it's not one of those then you intended for the gun to fire.
Negligent Discharge vs Uncommanded Discharge.
Negligent Discharge is where somebody carelessly caused the weapon to fire essentially via poorly handling it / being a dumbass.
Uncommanded Discharge is where the weapon essentially fires itself due to a mechanical failure or design flaw inherent to the weapon itself, such as a pistol firing on its own after being dropped and hitting the ground, despite the trigger not actually being pulled.
You can also get a 'hangfire'.
Basically, old or defective ammo can result in a situation where you pull the trigger, the hammer/striker drops... and then nothing happens for 5, 10, 15 seconds... and then the weapon fires.
Hangfires are extremely dangerous because yes, you did intend for the weapon to fire, but you also expected it to fire when you pulled the trigger, not... a random and unknowable amount of time after you pulled the trigger.
Though I guess you could get a hangfire that is initiated by an uncommanded discharge, if your Luck stat is somehow negative.
I'll agree that negligence does not equate to accident, my young child and I have been working on that lesson for years. But intent is a bit of a stretch. If it was actual intent, I'd be overjoyed. This is more of a dumpster fire just doing what it does.
You misunderstood what I'm saying. I'm saying this was a negligent discharge. It wasn't an accidental discharge since those don't exist. And it wasn't an intended discharge. And it wasn't a mechanical failure by the manufacturer or designer of the gun. The only other option is negligent discharge.
Read about this years ago. This is the only accidental discharge I've heard about. Worn leather holster pulls the trigger. In fairness, an argument can be made that using a worn/flexible holster was negligence.
I like the documentation in that article.
The photo they show of the holster makes it very clear that this is negligence, though. there's simply no question about that. as a gun owner you are expected to be smart enough to realize that your holster must not deform in this manner, especially with that model of gun
also, personal note: fuck that guy for wearing this into a cafe
That is the correct argument. This isn't an accident, this is pure negligence.
They shoot themselves in the foot to get out of work.
yah... "Doubt" on that one
Familiarity breeds passivity
I wouldn't be surprised if 'experienced' agents are generally also incompetent. Pre-trump they would have mostly had pretty mundane duties, maybe manning a border station checking paperwork, maybe even desk jockeys. Sure "enforcement" actions were a thing, but I suspect a large number of people were never anywhere close to 'action'.
A reporter that went through the hiring process included the detail that while desk work was a possibility that a recruit had to be prepared for, it was a critical priority to get as many people on the streets with guns.
Finally, some good fucking news.
Until they start blaming protesters for it. Like Israel when their occupying forces run over their own unexploded ordnance and they blame it on hamas.
Felony murder is used like that all the time, for any death that they say results or was influenced by your lawbreaking. Like if I asked you for a ride to the store, then went in the store and shot someone, jumped in your car and went home. Even if you didn't know you are vulnerable, and we all know how prosecutors and police lie.
What is it, a 15 or 20 year felony, often tacked onto a list of other crimes. But if for a police that shot himself chasing you or something they might even bring more extreme charges. Like I've heard of real world cases of people spitting on police that were charged with attempted murder, theory being they were trying to give them terminal diseases, but the alleged spitter didn't have any disease, they just charged that as a reaction.
Spitting on someone is bullshit, but what about when you are talking, sometimes a little bit of spit will fly out of your mouth and land on someone, it happens to everyone occasionally.
Unless it's something trivial, like storming the capitol of the country and getting a few folks killed along the way.
Don't give the fuckers any ideas.
fr
Sometimes, you need a bad guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun.
Since they cant handle firearms safely then they shouldnt be permitted to have any.
That is a most un-American thing to say.
As a gun owner, I approve.
"You can't have guns." – Trump, 27 Jan 2026
As a convicted felon, he certainly can't.
He can't vote either.
whoa there....Americans not in death squads shoot each other or themselves accidently over 44,000 times a year.
The right to be idiots is in the constitatuition.
Unless they only use it to shoot themselves / each other.
About that...
Call me when it's in the head. Although I doubt that would be lethal for an ICE agent.
Agreed. They'd have to hit a vital spot.
Zombie rules it is.
Well for these gravy seals it's not the head - it's the cankles.
I was thinking brain stem.
*Null void stem
Sorry sir, doing my best
We are surrounded by assholes!
Yo!
Now playing Dennis Leary - Asshole
I naturally read that in Siri's voice.
When will ice agents extrajudicially execute themselves over it? They're attacking law enforcement.
Author throwing some shade there.
They don’t even need the Sig P320s
They're certainly welcome to them though.
Fuck that, you can build a flux raider for $7-800 easy because how much people hate 320s. Which is much better than paying Sig the $1800 they want for a new one.
That being said: cops and military will shoot themselves microwaves if left unattended.
OMG that Raider 365 marketing video is hilarious 😂
I haven't seen it.
But I do know the founder daily carries one everywhere, and just won like the highest rank in PCC shooting with one. He had to change the brace to a stock tho to enter lmao.
They all look mall ninja as shit, and really shouldn't be legal. But they're ridiculously fun and actually practical, well, as practical as you can get when 99.999% of gun owners never come close to needing one.
That shit might not keep being true for long tho.
As a side, not as an argument, people don't need a lot of things to merely survive. Like paint. You could argue you never need paint. But somebody who paints for a hobby certainly needs it for their hobby.
Words, fickle bitches they are.
Finally a shooting statistic I can get behind.
Ironically, the solution is more guns
It's always nice when the trash takes itself out.
Task failed successfully? They are hurting the violent people.
The worst of the worst
Finally a good use of bullets.
Evolution is doing it’s part.
Trump will want to give them purple hearts and then he'll keep it for himself.
Couldn't happen to better people
Good.
Hyphenation is a beautiful thing.
It's probably one of those occupations with a Maximum IQ requirement rather than a Minimum IQ requirement.
They don't even need to have an intelligence cap that limits you from hiring, like how the police operate, because if you're applying in the first place it's assumed you're too stupid to question orders and just want to shoot people for not being white.
good to hear. seriously, when goode was shot the guys buddies head was like right next to her. I keep wondering how they have not shot each other.
Keep hope alive.
The fact that the negligent discharges often involve experienced officers should be a wake up call that ICEs recent behavior isn't new or just because of Trump - the incompetence is baked in.
That's what's surprising. All the shootings, intentional and otherwise, are exactly the result you'd expect from adding a bunch of untrained morons to the group. But most of the incidents are from dudes with 5+ years experience. What the fuck.
Honestly it makes sense. Most incidents are due to complacency with rules/procedures. A new guy joins and follows every rule to the letter, but more experienced people think "Well, I've gone all this time without an incident and bent the rules a little here and there, and it's not been a problem.
You see it happen all the time working around heavy machinery. The new guy gets trained on the Limb Mangler and is absolutely terrified of it, so he follows every rule to the letter. The experienced guy has worked with the Limb Mangler for 10 years and knows that the correct process for un-jamming the de-gloving reels takes like 45 minutes and is a PITA, he also knows that you can quickly wiggle the jam loose with a pair of pliers and get it up and running without a stoppage at all. Everything is fine, until it isn't, and suddenly you've got skeleton hands because you didn't feel like taking time to properly de-energize and LOTO tag the system.
5 years of experience in being a moron
If you shoot an asshole, did you really shoot them? The hole was already there...
Three? Can they not pick up the pace?
This is what they're counting as ramped up "attacks".
The guy who illegally disarmed pretti was a bigger danger to his buddies.
They should aim a little higher next time.
Aim higher guys.
I misread this and got really excited for a moment.
If the military get a purple heart when shot, what do ICE get? Purple colon? Purple sphincter?
Purple Ice Pops.
Blue balls.
Why go with purple sphincter when orange sphincter is right there? On second thought, that might lead to confusion with someone else...
The Purple Shart.
An ideal police force is full of Andy’s. They seem to be full of Barney’s.
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Not fast enough
When these douche-nozzles shoot themselves, I will do nothing but cheer
Cheer? I'll get my dick out and beat off.
And I choose to cheer you on.
Thank you, you have no idea how much my supporters mean to me. I do this for y'all.
Lethally?
Who trained these assholes? And can we get them to train more of them?
Rhodes? What's his name, the Oath Keepers guy, with the eyepatch that got pardoned for sedition, stewart rhodes. He taught firearm safety, and during a class he shot himself in the eye, it's on video, I saw it on social media once but it's not findable by searching somehow he must have suppressed it somehow.
I don't know if Rhodes actually trained ICE goons (though it wouldn't surprise me at all if this was the case to some extent), but I do want to chime in with Rhodes' son and ex-wife explaining how Stewart lost his eye.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fGhCwSlOJeI
Basically, in 1991, he was either taking his mom's old .22 derringer, to give it to his friend, a crack dealer, and he at one point dropped the gun, looked at it, it fired into his eye...
...which on its own would be illegally transferring an unregistered firearm to a convicted felon...
... Or, what the ex-wife and son surmise, is that he was actually running security for a drug deal, and then dropped the gun, it fired into his eye.
Either way, he had a prosthetic eye from '91 onward, and then... well according to the son and ex wife, at some point, he just stopped cleaning it, his eye socket got infected, ruptured, he never bothered to get it fully surgically repaired to the point it could accept/fit a prosthetic eye, and just started wearing an eye patch.
... I will note that his ex wife mentions that Stewart had a habit of trying to palm small concealable pistols, basically as a magician will palm various props in a magic show routine.
A fair number of older .22 derringers do not have trigger guards, so... in my opinion, it could be the case that he tried to palm such a derringer, and, not accounting for the lack of a trigger guard, actually did literally pull the trigger (within the folds of his palm) and directly shot himself in the face.
While I have no idea what the specific model of derringer was, here is an example of what I am talking about:
As you can see, no trigger guard.
If you tried to palm such a weapon, you probably could negligently discharge it fairly easily.
Anyway, there are at least a few kind of viral videos of firearms safety instructors aciddentally firing a weapon or shooting themself that go back to the earlier days of the internet... I don't know that any of those were Stewart Rhodes, though.
It would make sense that anybody with a video like that of themselves floating around would try to get it scrubbed, or it could be taken down due to depicting violence/gore...
So my guess would be that yes you have seen videos like what you describe... yes they are harder to find these days, but, it might not have been Rhodes in them.
No, I'm almost positive Rhodes lost it teaching gun safety, because it's on video, circulated on reddit a few years back but it disappeared. We watched an overhead security camera's view of him shooting himself in the eye accidently. Somewhere in california if memory serves.
I was joking about him training Ice. I should've been more clear.
... Well, watch the video I linked, his son and ex-wife disagree with you, they say he lost his eye in
'91'93, not teaching firearm safety, but instead in the above scenario.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_Rhodes
Where citations 7 and 11 are New York Times and Los Angeles Times articles that cite Tasha Adams, the Rhodes' ex wife.
But I did make a mistake, this happened in '93, not '91.
If you can't provide the video, I'm going with you remembered it wrong, or maybe a different video of an instructor shooting themself was just labelled as being Rhodes.
And I am also not joking about Rhodes training ICE goons.
He's literally the exact kind of person who would be eager to do so, and he could probably easily get a job doing that, either officially or as basically a contractor.
I can't provide any evidence that he has, but like I said, it would not surprise me at all.
It's possible I remembered it wrong or have the wrong person, I'm quite sure I don't have it wrong but I've thought that before and been wrong. Unfortunately I couldn't find the video when I looked for it before. It's not a freely circulating video I think it gets removed.
Pretty sure I'm right though, and the Times is garbage as far as I'm concerned they traded their credibility, what remained of it. I trust the video of it happening more but I don't care enough to search for it on enshitified search engines that no longer try to find what I'm asking for. At least now when I'm procrastinating starting to work maybe later.
I think it is not entirely the fault of who ever is training them, but the one who gave them too little time to train them, there is only so much you can do in little time
It's not satire. Fucking A.
Good.
Oh no! Anyway...
Kickass, hopefully every one of them is fatal.
Maybe because they realized they are the terrorists
🤡🧊🤡🧊🤡
Moar!
Finally somebody taking action against this scourge of domestic terrorism
Three seems like a proportionally high number. I wonder how this compares with other armed professions and their respective rates of the same accident.
Flawless Gun Safety 👊🇺🇸🔥
lol
Do better next time.
Effective training
nice. Keep it up!
not nearly often enough
I Just Fucking Shot Myself -- The Musical
And that's why you don't hire gravy seals.
Lovely! Let's hope they shoot everyone of them between themselves soon.
Them marching proudly in their fathers' footsteps. To what we'd say good, but not nearly enough.
Do... do they still get paid?
Probably get a medal. Purple Fart.
Semper fudge.
If I could get paid for shooting ICE officers I'd sign up tomorrow.
Absolute immunity should cover a little friendly fire.
Shame the bullets did not hit their fucking femoral artery! The useless racist bastards can carry on shooting themselves and each other.
I think we should conserve wasteful spending and instead have the new recruits take an active learning role and educate one another for a while on this very topic.
This comment is getting reported. I'm not going to remove it, even though it's a dumbass thing to say. Just take it apart with your own comment if you want, there's no benefit to anyone if I silence it.
They are kidnapping, torturing, starving, raping, and killing innocent people.
Celebrating their harm/death is definitely the right call here.
Comparing ICE agents to dogs isn’t helping your argument here…
While my comment was mostly snark, the main point is that unlike a dog, these folks have agency in their decisions and approach to situations. Is the underlying management strategy of DHS/ICE wrong? Absolutely, but you don’t get to “I’m just following orders” your way through this as an ICE agent.
You can hate multiple things at once. I hate the individual agents and the administration. You cannot have a machine of oppression without both components; thus they are both worthy of hate.
“Just following orders” is not a valid defense for heinous acts. These people are evil. They are not only following inhumane orders, but going further. They’re not ordered to murder or rape people in custody but they do, because they want to. They’re grown ups making their own decisions. And those decisions are evil.
They are not mindless beasts. They know what they’re doing. They have no empathy. No respect for human life. They chose their paths. I’ll celebrate when that path leads to their demise.
Death to all Nazi scum.
OH NO, won't some one think about the illegally occupying paramilitary groups safety and feelings? What if they pull a mussel sending someone to a concentration camp or slip while keeling on a neck? Wouldn't that be horrific? Have some compassion for our boys in mask you monsters. Those illegals wont torture and lynch themselves without us. /s
There's some nuance here though when they shoot themselves with their own firearms. That's absolutely self inflicted "play stupid games" material. So I wouldn't condemn people celebrating this particular type of accidents.
I would celebrate their admission of wrongdoing and willful rehabilitation to civil society. Alternatively, if the way they stop being a threat is that they happen to die, I will celebrate that decent people are safer as a result.
They are also an origination killing people and publicly celebrating the murders as an act of "counter terrorism". You don't sign up for the gestapo for good vibes.
You realize that "assholes" doesn't even come close, right?
Nope.
I save my empathy for people who actually have empathy of their own.
No. Not for these people, not even a tiny bit. I'll sleep like a baby.
I find the detention, shooting, and killing of innocent lives to be abhorrent. I ain't going to cry for the people perpetrating this violence, and I wish violence upon them. If they die, so be it. 1 less person killing innocent lives.
I'm not celebrating any of this, to be very clear. It's more of a grim satisfaction. We departed ages ago from whether it's right or wrong. They're fascists. And they're grossly incompetent. I am not upset by news that those doing vast and needless harm to innocent people are victim of their own incompetence and negligence. I'll admit to some schadenfreude and move on with my life.
We celebrated when Hitler died. When bad people die, it’s not a bad thing.
This is a moral roadblock that really irks me, because those in power certainly do not care who dies and who lives. If our “leaders” don’t care, why should we? It’s an inherent disadvantage to our chances at getting out of this mess and eventually doing everything we can to fix the planet and better the world for ALL of humanity.
And yes, it’s a slippery slope, I know. I would certainly prefer it to be different. But treehugging and flag-waving and chanting only do anything when your voice is acknowledged by the power structure.
E: I hope you aren’t scared off Lemmy by the opposition you have faced. Please don’t leave!
You joined here about 5 hours ago...probably to spout your fascist-appeasing nonsense. Your opinion means ZERO
These are murderous Nazis. your support is disgusting.
You are equating these sadists to normal humans. They would shoot you if they had any excuse.
Not all humans are equal. These assholes are guilty of crimes against humanity, so any one less of them by any means makes a better world.
Yes. Gleefully to every post you've made in this thread