I mean yeah. There isn't that much of a drastic shift in game design, except for the bleeding of RPG mechanics into more genres, more roguelite mechanics in indie games (choose one of 3) and having equipment systems in multiplayer FPSes. The biggest hit of 2024 was basically solitaire.
It's hardly that much more different.
Wheras, going from snes through ps1 to xbox 360, things went from 2d (and extremely crude 3d) to textured 3d with jank controls to high fidelity games with standardised controls. Not much changed after that. The huge "innovations" of VR, motion controls, are basically niche due to economic factors, so people aren't exactly having commonplace motion control VR experiences that put them in the game and comparing that to ducking behind cover in gears of war. They're comparing making cover in Fortnite with ducking behind cover in gears of war.
The line between 4th and 5th gen (SNES to N64) was enormous, 5th to 6th was pretty significant, 6th to 7th was noticeable, and it's been 20 years of small improvements since then.
There is a noticeable difference in graphics from 7th to 9th. But 8th felt like a half step. And it doesn't feel like there are noticeable improvements in any graphics, physics engines, lighting or anything else since 2020 when 9th gen started. This cant be said about any generations up to 8th.
Normies like fancy graphics, production value, and are swayed by fake trailers and mass marketing campaigns.
(Doing all that well, in a way that people can actually afford to pay for, is extremely difficult and very expensive)
Corpos discovered they could turn everything into primarily a market for subscriptions and micro transactions, that houses a game, and most normies kept paying for all that untill the economy entered the Second Great Depression.
... its basically Dutch Disease, but for video gaming.
Frankly, the reason this is shocking to people is that games, graphically and mechanically, made leaps and bounds from the SNES to the 360, and gave largely stagnanted from the 360 to now.
Phones, as we know them today, entered market much later than consoles or PCs.
My point is that eventually we hit the ceiling of progress. PCs and consoles hit their peak 20 years ago while phones did 10 years ago. Things haven't changed in a while for both of them and it doesn't feel so far that there will be major progress any time soon.
My phone can literally be used as VR goggles and stream HD video pretty much anywhere in the country. But smart phones existed in 07 and PDAs existed in the 90s. Yeah, no difference between these things. lol.
I feel like y'all are just being contrarian doomers. Listen, I get it. The ruling class of billionaires use technology for nefarious purposes to control us and extract every penny of money they possibly can by selling our attention spans in ever increasing ways. I'm not saying they don't. I'm not saying we live in a utopia. I'm just saying that there have absolutely been a lot of technological improvements in the past 20 years.
Folks saying "actually PDAs had internet access in the '90s" are, fuck, not even missing the forest for the trees, they're just covering their eyes and refusing to acknowledge that they're surrounded by trees.
We've got driverless cars. Yes, they're far from perfect, and I wouldn't really say they're adequate, but we do have honest to god driverless cars. Electric ones too! And they aren't just a gimmick, they really do give gas cars a run for their money. 3d printers are a home commodity now much like traditional printers have been in the past. CRISPR lets us modify genes. The idea of watching a 4k video on the Internet in 2006 would've been crazy. AI has improved a lot, and I don't even mean the modern generative AI like LLMs or Stable Diffusion, even prior to that machine learning was a huge thing.
Relevant XKCD.
That was released in 2014. You know what I can do now with my phone? I can take a picture of a bird and search to see what kind of bird it is. Reverse image search has been around for a while, but it used to just find things that were mostly pixel for pixel matches. Now it's much more capable.
Not in terms of navigating a city, which have had universal coverage since the flip phone days.
Also, just an FYI: GPS has had global coverage since the 1970s and doesn't require a cell signal at all.
Smart phone advancements have been incremental since they were released, very little had changed in terms of basic functionality. The biggest difference is that you can listen to music while your getting navigated now.
Dude, take the rose tinted goggles off for a second. I had a GPS navigation system for my car early on, around ~2010, maybe a little earlier, that thing was shit. It could hardly figure out where I was in the city. It would very often snap to the wrong road and I'd have to reboot it. Today, it's simple. I just pull out my magical everything device and use an app. Technology has progressed A TON in 20 years.
Perhaps I'm in a minority but when the PS3 and 360 first debuted I did not consider even the NES to be "retro". I would have applied that term to the likes of an Atari 2600 or colecovision.
The NES and Atari are separated by mere 6 years. The NES and Xbox 360 are separated by nearly 22 years. That's how much the perception of graphical advancement has decelerated. Sure we keep making leaps on graphical fidelity, but ever more in areas that are less and less noticeable every time.
I'm trying to finally finish trials of the sword on master mode... which is only going to be possible due to hacking my switch, backing up my save, transferring it to PC, and finally converting it to a Wii U save to run in Cemu. Glorious ultrawide at 144fps - I only wish I had left myself more of the game to play on a worthy system
I've heard the reason for the name of XBox 360's successor was that some marketing geniuses heard that most people called it "the three-sixty" for short, and thought "Great! Let's call this the XBox One, and it will be referred to as The One! Like Neo!!"
And then, everyone collectively agreed on "XBone" 🦴
There's more time between the release of the 360 and (picking a random game that released this week) Pathologic 3, than there is between then and the release of Super Mario Bros on the NES
The 360 was released in 2005. That's over 20 years ago. Yes, they would be considered classics at this point. And know what, I wish more folks younger than myself discovered how gaming WAS and realize what it's turned into.
Keep in mind the launch model of the 360 didn't have an HDMI port, most people still had a CRT, and it didn't even come with component cables, there was only a composite lead in the box, you had to pay extra for component cables if you wanted them.
It was called 360 because they didn't want to release an Xbox 2 when PS already had 3. So they came up with 360 bullshit because it's kind of like 3. So now PS are conveniently numbered and I have no idea which Xbox is the newest.
Well, it's over 20 years old now, so probably. It's also really easy to softmod recently. Last year I got one for $25 at a thrift shop and modded it, so it's also a great time to get one.
So far, I only played Banjo Kazooie and Banjo Tooie on it though, and messed around a bit with the first release of Minecraft Xbox 360 Edition.
Yep, that's still true. However, you can install ABadAvatar onto a USB stick which will run the exploit automatically upon startup. It usually takes about a minute for the exploit to successfully start and occasionally crashes (only happened to me once).
as an early 90s-born millennial near the upper limit of gen z, it's been great seeing them discover mid 20s aging as I enter my early 30s :) it doesn't stop Gen Z. You keep on aging from here on out. I remember thinking the 70s were only 30 years ago, and the 80s only 20.
Though on the flip side, remember that however old you are right now, it's also the youngest you'll ever be going forward.
Feeling old in your 20s? Many people are active into their 60s, some keep going strong into their 90s.
Unless you're recovering from illness or injury, the current version of your body might be the best version you'll ever see again.
Though one suggestion that left my own body far more capable, if you're the skinny and weak type, do some proper workouts. Proper as in spend the time to learn proper form and also ensure you're getting enough energy and protein in your diet. You'll gain strength that will stay with you until you do get really old (assuming your body doesn't atrophy due to starvation or being bedridden before then).
Eg, when I first started working out, I couldn't curl 20 lbs, had to go down to 15. But I was curling 20 a week or two later and was pushing 40 lbs about a year or two later, then my workout habit dropped off and 8 years have passed and I can still curl over 30 lbs when I get curious in the dumbbell section of stores that carry them.
it feels like there are 2 kinds of people: those who feel old at 23, and those who don't stop feeling like a child until every hair on their head and face is gray.
I'd fall into the latter category because i'm 26 and i don't feel quite adult yet, despite the front of my chin being gray already.
Wtf is a Halo 3? Atari just announced a new game based on that sick alien movie Spielberg just put out that's super popular right now. I bet it's gonna be the best game ever!
In my opinion, no. For me it's not about time, 360 for the most part plays just like any other present day console. Only difference is that development and marketing budgets went out of control (a trend that was already underway during later seventh generation), and the relentless stream of CoD, Halo and GTA clones stopped (THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT).
I can still remember I think some new grounds stick figure type animated comic, made back when it was Macromedia Flash, not Adobe Flash, and it was mocking the idea of 20 years in the future we would have Call of Duty 16.
... I think if you actually count them numerically we are now beyond 20.
I mean, open world games are commonplace. It's like saying "doomclones" stopped. Yeah, they became fpses.
but on the other hand "realistic crime open world games" kinda gta knockoffs were more commonplace back then.
Unfortunately, somehow, gta feels like a gta knockoff. I didn't even finish V, and the satire just seemed less biting, and late to the punch. Like the jokes it was making had already been made elsewhere, so it felt stale and done before.
These two cases aren't the same though. Doom built a whole new genre by building on Wolf 3D's foundation, it just didn't have a name at the time. Very few 90s fps games actually play like Doom, or even try to. They all got their own thing going.
GTA clones definitely wanted to be like GTA, I can tell by just looking at them. I didn't play any GTA inspired games besides Retro City Rampage so I don't know which titles in particular deserve to be seen as knockoffs but they were out there.
Nobody calls Minecraft or The Outer Wilds a GTA-like. Even if you want to stick "3D RPG" on there, nobody considers Morrowind or New Vegas to be a GTA-like.
On the other hand I would consider games like Cyberpunk: 2077 and Red Faction: Guerilla to be GTA-likes, as they both fall squarely in the GTA/Far Cry/Assassin's Creed triangle. This has to do not just with the shape of the map, but the systems within it, the design ethos / expected player actions, and the way the narrative is structured and presented.
It’s like saying “doomclones” stopped. Yeah, they became fpses.
In my opinion mentioning "doom clones" is a thought terminating cliche. I have never seen it improve the quality of a discussion because it shuts down conversations about the similarities and differences between games and how much the various qualities contribute to creating a distinctive experience.
If the only thing a game had in common with DOOM was the structure of its levels then I wouldn't even consider it comparable (at least for general description). If it had the same core gameplay mechanics and feel as doom but added some of its own ideas I might call it a doom-like. If a game just poorly imitated all of DOOM's mechanics without bringing anything new to the table, then yeah, I would probably consider that to be a shitty knockoff.
I think what killed the traditional console are the hardware progression and the decline of physical games. In 90s consoles had very different specs that gave them specialty. When you bought one it deteremined what kind of game library you would have access to, not just a few exclusives. And playing them was super convenient, you popped in your cartridge or disk and you were good to go.
Neither of those things exist today. While the console form factor still has value, there is no justification for the closed ecosystems around them in my opinion.
Amazing console that can be easily softmodded nowadays. mine has a 1tb hdd attached, with over 200 games (incl. ~1/3 from xbox classic). I've been using it more than the PS4 or Steam, until I modded my PS4 too recently
On the other hand, most of the games I've gotten for my PS5 are PS4 games, though tbf they are mostly from the used game bargain bin at EB Games, so I guess it says more about the cheap ps4 library vs ps5.
Halo 3, Portal, and Super Mario Galaxy released closer to the launch of the Sega Genesis, the original Gameboy, and the fall of the Berlin Wall than today.
Same! I love the form factor of it and it still hasn't given out yet. Only thing that made me even think about wanting to replace it was the haptic/adaptive triggers on the PS5 controller. Don't like the form factor but man those triggers are nice.
That's unfortunate. Too bad Sony has patented the haptics/adaptive triggers. It's such a good feature, I would kill for an Xbox style form factor controller with triggers like that.
Depending on how pedantic you want to be, that is for the United States release. The Famicom was released summer 1983 in Japan and the NES is generally considered the localized version for North America.
I feel old consider the new resurgence in people wanting a PS2. you can't find them anywhere anymore. all the retro game stores are selling out of them. Even the PSP is hard to come by.
I remember waiting in line at the midnight launch of the PS2. I also remember waiting in line at the midnight launch of the first Xbox and having to convince my friend to also pick up Halo because I heard good things about it. He just wanted to get Cel Damage and Fusion Frenzy.
It's wild living through the time that these systems are brand new and pricey, then become practically worthless, and then become scarce and unaffordable forever.
I remember my mom getting me Halo 2 two months after the release date and how excited I was because I knew how hard it was to get. That was 2004. Halo 2 is drinking age now.
I remember getting a Wii after release but during one of the console drops. We were second in a line of about 10. I think they had like 4 available.
Yeah, once we hit 20 years since the 360's launch, we had 20 year old games that still look pretty decent by today's standards. I don't think you could say that at any point in time before then.
My current annoyance: my Xbox 360 works just fine, but none of the controllers turn on while battery powered. (IR remote works, but it's not exactly suitable for gaming.) And Xbox 360 was the pinnacle of Microsoft's "well we have to do slightly incompatible shit just for the hell of it" attitude - you can't just use a standard USB cable, it uses USB over a weird proprietary connector. (On the other hand, I've looooooved Xbox One and later controllers on PC, they have standard plugs)
My Halloween tradition is Bullet Witch - had to jank up the PC version to working state last year when I first noticed this problem with the 360 controllers.
Edit: Oh wow, I managed to find a 360 controller battery holder that actually works. Geometry Wars Evolved 2 status: got the first cheevo
You can also find replacement batteries online, though hard to say how easy the replacement will be. Wasn't bad for ps3 or wii u controllers, but no idea how ms approached it.
The official Xbox 360 rechargeable batteries were absolute hogwash. Terrible battery life when they were new, and it just kept getting even worse really fast.
I could imagine the third party batteries being better. I've only ever had one set of Xbox One/Series controller rechargeable batteries (third party but AFAIK officially licensed) and they're working just fine.
Battery tech has improved a lot since they came out and (at least for the other two systems mentioned, plus any other device I've replaced the battery for) you can often find batteries with better specs than the original for longer lasting (before recharge is required, can't say yet about total lifetime).
It's also not a bad idea to check if your batteries have become danger pillows, though the controller ones tend to be housed in hard plastic that makes it less obvious, but my wii u battery did feel like it had a bit of a bulge to it, leading to a nervous period where I had gotten rid of the old battery but was still waiting for the new one to be shipped lol.
I think it became retro when the 9th gen consoles started coming out.
To me, current gen is current, previous 2 generations are not retro, and anything older is. Many 360 models still had analog video out (as did the PS3 and Wii), so arguably it's the final generation built with CRTs in mind.
May I enquire if you are completely informed on the topic?
Have you ever played Portal beyond the first rooms? You definitely need fast and precise aiming in Portal.
Have you played Portal on controller? I've played through the game twice on controller on Xbox 360 and with mouse and keyboard on PC.
Both are very much playable. You don't need goddamn motherfucking MLG 100% 360° 720° noscope quickscope blaze it mtn dew it skillz only attainable through rarest of gamer mice and finest of mechanical keyboards. It's perfectly serviceable on controller. That was my point.
But seriously, I have started considering this console as retro. Going back to 2006 and beyond is when I started looking at N64 as retro and GC/PS2/Xbox as 'the old'. Now PS4/XBO is 'the old' and well... yeah.. its been 20 years.
I think just the fact that we're playing some of the same games as we did on 360/PS4 is whats keeping it alive for longer and out of the retro light.
SNES and GBA was peak and most evergreen due to the games being peak pixel art before everything went 3D. Nearly every SNES and GBA game is still beautiful. I tried playing some N64 games, and they are so ugly that they are nigh unplayable. Xbox is just a platform to play modern PC games that isn't quite as good as PC. Even Playstation 1 and 2 games are too dated to enjoy beyond one or two fighting games.
This is where it started for me. Skyrim, F:NV, GTA 4, Midnight Club: LA, Project Gotham, Halo 3, and not to mention the countless classic re-releases on XBLA. To think I would actually get into verbal arguments with my classmates over the 360 v.s PS3 console war.
I pulled my XB360 out this week. Like many people living in the south, we were iced in for the last 4-5 days. As a way to entertain my toddler I pulled out the 360 and Kinect to play fruit ninja. He loved playing it and even beat my high score from the last time I played it back in 2015
To be fair, and for all their other woes, Microsoft's work on back compat with Xbox One / Series is a pretty incredible feat of engineering.
Too bad licensing means they've essentially run out of games to port.
Did x360 even have any exclusives? I think most games released for it came out on PC too, so you'll have a way better experience playing them on PC even if it's a cheap 10yr old PC...
Has game carts and SD card and internal storage are just different kinds of cartridges. 100% retro. Gamecube is the only modern console Nintendo ever put out.
I hate to break it to you but... It's been over 20 years. It's more retro now than the SNES was when the 360 came out.
You're hurting me.
This episode is 30 years old.
No u
Shit, that saying is over 20 years old.
Please stop...
I first heard that one over 15 years ago.
YOLO is now old enough to legally drive a car.
You know that 'Cleopatra is temporally further away from the Great Pyramid' thing?
Grand Theft Auto V's release date is closer to Half Life 2's release date, than to the present.
Grand Theft Auto 4's release date is closer to the release date of the original Starfox or Street Fighter 2, than it is to the present.
And you don't even want me to do any date comparison for the following:
... Let's do the time warp Againnn!~
Spock - Civilization 4 (2005)
It's never too late to find a time warp to go back a few decades. The holos just don't hit the same
Wow the diminishing returns between that time really comes into focus.
I mean yeah. There isn't that much of a drastic shift in game design, except for the bleeding of RPG mechanics into more genres, more roguelite mechanics in indie games (choose one of 3) and having equipment systems in multiplayer FPSes. The biggest hit of 2024 was basically solitaire.
It's hardly that much more different.
Wheras, going from snes through ps1 to xbox 360, things went from 2d (and extremely crude 3d) to textured 3d with jank controls to high fidelity games with standardised controls. Not much changed after that. The huge "innovations" of VR, motion controls, are basically niche due to economic factors, so people aren't exactly having commonplace motion control VR experiences that put them in the game and comparing that to ducking behind cover in gears of war. They're comparing making cover in Fortnite with ducking behind cover in gears of war.
The line between 4th and 5th gen (SNES to N64) was enormous, 5th to 6th was pretty significant, 6th to 7th was noticeable, and it's been 20 years of small improvements since then.
There is a noticeable difference in graphics from 7th to 9th. But 8th felt like a half step. And it doesn't feel like there are noticeable improvements in any graphics, physics engines, lighting or anything else since 2020 when 9th gen started. This cant be said about any generations up to 8th.
Right. I bet more people play SNES than Xbox now as well.
SNES is far more accessible due to ease of emulation and small game sizes, so makes sense!
I guess if you count emulators and Brazil....
¿Que? The 360 has a LOT of excellent games.
I think they're agreeing; game tech improved a lot more from the SNES to the 360 than from the 360 to now.
I meant like graphically.
Heres how that works:
Gaming got popular.
Normies like fancy graphics, production value, and are swayed by fake trailers and mass marketing campaigns.
(Doing all that well, in a way that people can actually afford to pay for, is extremely difficult and very expensive)
Corpos discovered they could turn everything into primarily a market for subscriptions and micro transactions, that houses a game, and most normies kept paying for all that untill the economy entered the Second Great Depression.
... its basically Dutch Disease, but for video gaming.
This has fuck all to do with anything I said.
Me then: "Haha 'time marches on' what a cool phrase"
Me now: "Yo, time, can we maybe slow the pace or take the break?" Time: "No. Only march on." Me: visibly aging
I already have Father Time beating my ass before I even started playing Hades II lmao
Frankly, the reason this is shocking to people is that games, graphically and mechanically, made leaps and bounds from the SNES to the 360, and gave largely stagnanted from the 360 to now.
A LOT of people have completely failed to grasp how much technology has stagnated in the last 20 years.
Yeah, my smart phone with Internet access basically everywhere begs to differ.
Phones didn't changed fundamentally since 2015.
Saying technology hasn't progressed in 10 years is a very different statement than technology hasn't progressed in 20 years.
Phones, as we know them today, entered market much later than consoles or PCs.
My point is that eventually we hit the ceiling of progress. PCs and consoles hit their peak 20 years ago while phones did 10 years ago. Things haven't changed in a while for both of them and it doesn't feel so far that there will be major progress any time soon.
We've got driverless cars and CRISPR gene editing. Those weren't around 20 years ago. You don't think those are major advancements?
My phone can literally be used as VR goggles and stream HD video pretty much anywhere in the country. But smart phones existed in 07 and PDAs existed in the 90s. Yeah, no difference between these things. lol.
I feel like y'all are just being contrarian doomers. Listen, I get it. The ruling class of billionaires use technology for nefarious purposes to control us and extract every penny of money they possibly can by selling our attention spans in ever increasing ways. I'm not saying they don't. I'm not saying we live in a utopia. I'm just saying that there have absolutely been a lot of technological improvements in the past 20 years.
Folks saying "actually PDAs had internet access in the '90s" are, fuck, not even missing the forest for the trees, they're just covering their eyes and refusing to acknowledge that they're surrounded by trees.
We've got driverless cars. Yes, they're far from perfect, and I wouldn't really say they're adequate, but we do have honest to god driverless cars. Electric ones too! And they aren't just a gimmick, they really do give gas cars a run for their money. 3d printers are a home commodity now much like traditional printers have been in the past. CRISPR lets us modify genes. The idea of watching a 4k video on the Internet in 2006 would've been crazy. AI has improved a lot, and I don't even mean the modern generative AI like LLMs or Stable Diffusion, even prior to that machine learning was a huge thing.
Relevant XKCD.
That was released in 2014. You know what I can do now with my phone? I can take a picture of a bird and search to see what kind of bird it is. Reverse image search has been around for a while, but it used to just find things that were mostly pixel for pixel matches. Now it's much more capable.
The first smartphones were released in 2007....
You don't think there's any difference between today's phones and the 2007 ones? Not in cell coverage either?
Not in terms of navigating a city, which have had universal coverage since the flip phone days.
Also, just an FYI: GPS has had global coverage since the 1970s and doesn't require a cell signal at all.
Smart phone advancements have been incremental since they were released, very little had changed in terms of basic functionality. The biggest difference is that you can listen to music while your getting navigated now.
Dude, take the rose tinted goggles off for a second. I had a GPS navigation system for my car early on, around ~2010, maybe a little earlier, that thing was shit. It could hardly figure out where I was in the city. It would very often snap to the wrong road and I'd have to reboot it. Today, it's simple. I just pull out my magical everything device and use an app. Technology has progressed A TON in 20 years.
I don't understand, is that from now?
Yeah, but the SNES became retro the moment the PS1 came out. That leap in tech was ridiculous.
*crumbles into pieces like a Dry Bones*
You're a generation off: It's more retro now than the NES (US release) was when the 360 came out. We crossed that threshold about a month ago.
I don't believe you.
You didn't hate that at all.
Perhaps I'm in a minority but when the PS3 and 360 first debuted I did not consider even the NES to be "retro". I would have applied that term to the likes of an Atari 2600 or colecovision.
The NES and Atari are separated by mere 6 years. The NES and Xbox 360 are separated by nearly 22 years. That's how much the perception of graphical advancement has decelerated. Sure we keep making leaps on graphical fidelity, but ever more in areas that are less and less noticeable every time.
Why..why would you do this
And noticing that this tweet is already 5 years old is the cherry on top.
The tweet was slightly off then, Gamecube was just released at the end of 2001 and Wind Waker is 2003.
Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask were 1999 and 2000 though.
It’s now 2026, so Zelda 20 years ago was:
Breath of the Wild is almost 10 years old.
Why am I still on this thread?? I keep taking psychic damage from Father Time!!!
And still costs $60/$80 with the DLC!
... and Nintendo still hasn't figured out how to run it at an actually stable 60 fps.
I'm trying to finally finish trials of the sword on master mode... which is only going to be possible due to hacking my switch, backing up my save, transferring it to PC, and finally converting it to a Wii U save to run in Cemu. Glorious ultrawide at 144fps - I only wish I had left myself more of the game to play on a worthy system
Holy shit that reminds me, I'm so far behind on my Zelda shit that I haven't even yet played OoT master quest or whatever its called?
But yeah, its... pretty sad, the state of Nintendo these days.
I think it runs pretty well on Switch 2, no?
Yet most other open world games are still struggling to surpass its world design...
Eh....
Except much lower resolution than that.
Don't let Nintendo see this thread 0_0
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler You wouldn't emulate a handbag :::
It could be the Wii U version, I suppose, but that's 10 years old.
It is over 20 years old......... Fuck.
If you had asked me before I looked it up, I probably would've placed the original Xbox at 20 years old. Time is flying by.
The one in the picture is an xbox 360 s which is only 15 years old if that helps
it's an xbox 360 S which is different to a xbox one s, not to be confused with the xbox series s.
Also don’t confuse it with the Xbox 360 E.
And under no circumstances confuse any other Microsoft products with each other, except under confusing circumstances.
Why the fuck they wouldnt brand with this strategy is beyond me. I came up with this like 16 years ago and stand by it.
Xbox
Xbox 360
Xbox 720
Xbox 900
I've heard the reason for the name of XBox 360's successor was that some marketing geniuses heard that most people called it "the three-sixty" for short, and thought "Great! Let's call this the XBox One, and it will be referred to as The One! Like Neo!!"
And then, everyone collectively agreed on "XBone" 🦴
So the Xbox 720 is twice as good as the one before it, but the 900 only gives you a 25% increase? Who'd buy that garbage?
If you thought it was difficult to find help with Microsoft's remote desktop program named Remote Desktop... They renamed it to... Windows App.
Phew, almost thought I was old there for a second
There's more time between the release of the 360 and (picking a random game that released this week) Pathologic 3, than there is between then and the release of Super Mario Bros on the NES
The 360 was released in 2005. That's over 20 years ago. Yes, they would be considered classics at this point. And know what, I wish more folks younger than myself discovered how gaming WAS and realize what it's turned into.
It's so blocky now. Even to my eyes, I can no longer play that Q_Q
Keep in mind the launch model of the 360 didn't have an HDMI port, most people still had a CRT, and it didn't even come with component cables, there was only a composite lead in the box, you had to pay extra for component cables if you wanted them.
I thought it was called the 360 because when you see it you turn 360 degrees and walk away.
Moonwalk away. Hee Hee.
Dunno if i've been whooshed or if you have a poor understanding of geometry, but have a good day either way.
It was a meme when the 360 got released.
Oh, mb then, TMYK
There's an interesting looking hot dog stand just past it
It was called 360 because they didn't want to release an Xbox 2 when PS already had 3. So they came up with 360 bullshit because it's kind of like 3. So now PS are conveniently numbered and I have no idea which Xbox is the newest.
You turn 360 degrees youre still walking towards it.
That's older than the NES was when the Dreamcast was released.
That particular 360 is the new Xbox 360 that came with the Kinect and is only about 13 years old
Well, it's over 20 years old now, so probably. It's also really easy to softmod recently. Last year I got one for $25 at a thrift shop and modded it, so it's also a great time to get one.
So far, I only played Banjo Kazooie and Banjo Tooie on it though, and messed around a bit with the first release of Minecraft Xbox 360 Edition.
Can you get XBL Arcade games running on it? Half the games I'd want to play were on the arcade rather than disc games.
I actually only tested XBLA games, so yeah!
Nice
Is the softmod on it persistent between reboots? Last I looked into it you had to run the exploit every time.
Yep, that's still true. However, you can install ABadAvatar onto a USB stick which will run the exploit automatically upon startup. It usually takes about a minute for the exploit to successfully start and occasionally crashes (only happened to me once).
Wake up, gen z boys and girls. You are not kids anymore. You are old af.
as an early 90s-born millennial near the upper limit of gen z, it's been great seeing them discover mid 20s aging as I enter my early 30s :) it doesn't stop Gen Z. You keep on aging from here on out. I remember thinking the 70s were only 30 years ago, and the 80s only 20.
Though on the flip side, remember that however old you are right now, it's also the youngest you'll ever be going forward.
Feeling old in your 20s? Many people are active into their 60s, some keep going strong into their 90s.
Unless you're recovering from illness or injury, the current version of your body might be the best version you'll ever see again.
Though one suggestion that left my own body far more capable, if you're the skinny and weak type, do some proper workouts. Proper as in spend the time to learn proper form and also ensure you're getting enough energy and protein in your diet. You'll gain strength that will stay with you until you do get really old (assuming your body doesn't atrophy due to starvation or being bedridden before then).
Eg, when I first started working out, I couldn't curl 20 lbs, had to go down to 15. But I was curling 20 a week or two later and was pushing 40 lbs about a year or two later, then my workout habit dropped off and 8 years have passed and I can still curl over 30 lbs when I get curious in the dumbbell section of stores that carry them.
I used to be over 300lbs a year ago, I'm 170 now after a lot of work. That may be true for most, but 10 years ago my body was horrific
Congrats, that's some great progress!
Yeah, the bit about working out was intended to be an exception to what I was saying, but I didn't communicate it very well.
it feels like there are 2 kinds of people: those who feel old at 23, and those who don't stop feeling like a child until every hair on their head and face is gray.
I'd fall into the latter category because i'm 26 and i don't feel quite adult yet, despite the front of my chin being gray already.
I know xd they still believe they are little kids dependent on daddy and mommy.
No way. Halo 3 trailer was just released no way it's been 20 years.
Wtf is a Halo 3? Atari just announced a new game based on that sick alien movie Spielberg just put out that's super popular right now. I bet it's gonna be the best game ever!
How is that going to work as an arcade cabinet‽
I'm sorry...
I'll only accept a console is retro if you can emulate it playably on a phone.
So the PS3?
In my opinion, no. For me it's not about time, 360 for the most part plays just like any other present day console. Only difference is that development and marketing budgets went out of control (a trend that was already underway during later seventh generation), and the relentless stream of CoD, Halo and GTA clones stopped (THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT).
I can still remember I think some new grounds stick figure type animated comic, made back when it was Macromedia Flash, not Adobe Flash, and it was mocking the idea of 20 years in the future we would have Call of Duty 16.
... I think if you actually count them numerically we are now beyond 20.
... 24 mainline games, apparently.
Hey Saints Row 3 was actually funny
Jump, same. For me it starts at N64 era.
I mean, open world games are commonplace. It's like saying "doomclones" stopped. Yeah, they became fpses.
but on the other hand "realistic crime open world games" kinda gta knockoffs were more commonplace back then.
Unfortunately, somehow, gta feels like a gta knockoff. I didn't even finish V, and the satire just seemed less biting, and late to the punch. Like the jokes it was making had already been made elsewhere, so it felt stale and done before.
These two cases aren't the same though. Doom built a whole new genre by building on Wolf 3D's foundation, it just didn't have a name at the time. Very few 90s fps games actually play like Doom, or even try to. They all got their own thing going.
GTA clones definitely wanted to be like GTA, I can tell by just looking at them. I didn't play any GTA inspired games besides Retro City Rampage so I don't know which titles in particular deserve to be seen as knockoffs but they were out there.
I guess it depends on when you played it. Remember that GTA5 came out in 2013. It was a little more current in its satire 10 years ago.
when it came out
Nobody calls Minecraft or The Outer Wilds a GTA-like. Even if you want to stick "3D RPG" on there, nobody considers Morrowind or New Vegas to be a GTA-like.
On the other hand I would consider games like Cyberpunk: 2077 and Red Faction: Guerilla to be GTA-likes, as they both fall squarely in the GTA/Far Cry/Assassin's Creed triangle. This has to do not just with the shape of the map, but the systems within it, the design ethos / expected player actions, and the way the narrative is structured and presented.
In my opinion mentioning "doom clones" is a thought terminating cliche. I have never seen it improve the quality of a discussion because it shuts down conversations about the similarities and differences between games and how much the various qualities contribute to creating a distinctive experience.
If the only thing a game had in common with DOOM was the structure of its levels then I wouldn't even consider it comparable (at least for general description). If it had the same core gameplay mechanics and feel as doom but added some of its own ideas I might call it a doom-like. If a game just poorly imitated all of DOOM's mechanics without bringing anything new to the table, then yeah, I would probably consider that to be a shitty knockoff.
I can only think of driver, saints row, maybe simpsons hit and run. Were there any others worthwile?
When consoles got "accounts" and avatars, that was the death of them. Theyre just subscription dumb terminal spyware now.
I think what killed the traditional console are the hardware progression and the decline of physical games. In 90s consoles had very different specs that gave them specialty. When you bought one it deteremined what kind of game library you would have access to, not just a few exclusives. And playing them was super convenient, you popped in your cartridge or disk and you were good to go.
Neither of those things exist today. While the console form factor still has value, there is no justification for the closed ecosystems around them in my opinion.
It has Kinect Star Wars. And... that's basically it.
Amazing console that can be easily softmodded nowadays. mine has a 1tb hdd attached, with over 200 games (incl. ~1/3 from xbox classic). I've been using it more than the PS4 or Steam, until I modded my PS4 too recently
My problem with the PS4 and the Switch was the library. Modding a 360 is just better.
On the other hand, most of the games I've gotten for my PS5 are PS4 games, though tbf they are mostly from the used game bargain bin at EB Games, so I guess it says more about the cheap ps4 library vs ps5.
I need to re-cap my childhood Turbografx, so my toddler can experience some family Dungeon Explorer. She's the age I was when my parents bought it.
I can still hear the ninja spirit death anthem.
Halo 3, Portal, and Super Mario Galaxy released closer to the launch of the Sega Genesis, the original Gameboy, and the fall of the Berlin Wall than today.
I'm only in my early thirties wtf
Start doing some back strengthening exercises yesterday.
oh I did. it was still too late. fuck your back up one time and end up in the hospital and it's gonna bother you for life
stretching really helps though
Genesis launched in 1988/1989. The wall fell in 1989. The Gameboy launched in 1989 as well.
Yes those are the two things that were grouped with the wall in that comment
Ok?
Go on...
What they said is still true
Does clarifying the years make it less true? It makes it more understandable. I'm not sure how you came to such a weird conclusion.
I still use my old wired 360 controller to play games on my laptop. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!
Same! I love the form factor of it and it still hasn't given out yet. Only thing that made me even think about wanting to replace it was the haptic/adaptive triggers on the PS5 controller. Don't like the form factor but man those triggers are nice.
Its a nice controller but they are fragile af, look at them wrong and they start to act up.
That's unfortunate. Too bad Sony has patented the haptics/adaptive triggers. It's such a good feature, I would kill for an Xbox style form factor controller with triggers like that.
Bro, we’ve been out of high school about 20 years now. Soooo yeah.
The Xbox One is 12 years old. 🎁
I mean, if NES was retro in 2006, XBOX 360 can be retro in 2026.
though I have no idea what counts as classics on 360OK, that definitely counts.
Congratulations, would totally accept a shady surprise burger from you.
The Xbox 360 is as old now as the NES was when it came out.
Depending on how pedantic you want to be, that is for the United States release. The Famicom was released summer 1983 in Japan and the NES is generally considered the localized version for North America.
It's still true to within a year or two anyway.
Age is just a number, or something.
This is your life, and its iterating one internal clock cycle at a time.
(I recommend not tying too many vital specific timed calls directly to the specific clock speed of your particular hardware)
I feel old consider the new resurgence in people wanting a PS2. you can't find them anywhere anymore. all the retro game stores are selling out of them. Even the PSP is hard to come by.
I remember waiting in line at the midnight launch of the PS2. I also remember waiting in line at the midnight launch of the first Xbox and having to convince my friend to also pick up Halo because I heard good things about it. He just wanted to get Cel Damage and Fusion Frenzy.
It's wild living through the time that these systems are brand new and pricey, then become practically worthless, and then become scarce and unaffordable forever.
I'll never forgive myself for getting rid of my virtual boy after seeing slo-mo guys recent video and how much he paid for his.
It's my biggest regret as well.
I remember my mom getting me Halo 2 two months after the release date and how excited I was because I knew how hard it was to get. That was 2004. Halo 2 is drinking age now.
I remember getting a Wii after release but during one of the console drops. We were second in a line of about 10. I think they had like 4 available.
It is on a timeline, but not tech.
If you compare 1985 to 2005, holy shit. So many classics because of mind blowing advances.
2005 - 2025... Well, there's still 2005 games that go hard with some mods. We really rely on gameplay and story to make a classic now.
Yeah, once we hit 20 years since the 360's launch, we had 20 year old games that still look pretty decent by today's standards. I don't think you could say that at any point in time before then.
This comment from yesterday stuck with me - I really like this definition of retro being on the tech progress timeline, not just "x years since".
Touhou mentioned 🗣 (i am pretty sure thats Sanae Kochiya from Touhou at the bottom panel)
I don’t find this hard to believe at all.
Tried to play halo 3 campaign for the first time a little while back.
It really felt aged, like an upgraded ps2 game essentially.
And this was the pc version mind you.
Broooo... 😭 what do you mean aged? Am I that old?
My current annoyance: my Xbox 360 works just fine, but none of the controllers turn on while battery powered. (IR remote works, but it's not exactly suitable for gaming.) And Xbox 360 was the pinnacle of Microsoft's "well we have to do slightly incompatible shit just for the hell of it" attitude - you can't just use a standard USB cable, it uses USB over a weird proprietary connector. (On the other hand, I've looooooved Xbox One and later controllers on PC, they have standard plugs)
My Halloween tradition is Bullet Witch - had to jank up the PC version to working state last year when I first noticed this problem with the 360 controllers.
Edit: Oh wow, I managed to find a 360 controller battery holder that actually works. Geometry Wars Evolved 2 status: got the first cheevo
You can also find replacement batteries online, though hard to say how easy the replacement will be. Wasn't bad for ps3 or wii u controllers, but no idea how ms approached it.
The official Xbox 360 rechargeable batteries were absolute hogwash. Terrible battery life when they were new, and it just kept getting even worse really fast.
I could imagine the third party batteries being better. I've only ever had one set of Xbox One/Series controller rechargeable batteries (third party but AFAIK officially licensed) and they're working just fine.
Battery tech has improved a lot since they came out and (at least for the other two systems mentioned, plus any other device I've replaced the battery for) you can often find batteries with better specs than the original for longer lasting (before recharge is required, can't say yet about total lifetime).
It's also not a bad idea to check if your batteries have become danger pillows, though the controller ones tend to be housed in hard plastic that makes it less obvious, but my wii u battery did feel like it had a bit of a bulge to it, leading to a nervous period where I had gotten rid of the old battery but was still waiting for the new one to be shipped lol.
I think it became retro when the 9th gen consoles started coming out.
To me, current gen is current, previous 2 generations are not retro, and anything older is. Many 360 models still had analog video out (as did the PS3 and Wii), so arguably it's the final generation built with CRTs in mind.
I'm in this comment and I don't like it
My back pain already makes me feel old, no need to throw memes at me.
I remember playing the crap out of my xbox360 when I had one. It had such a good library of games.
I played the heck out of my three faulty RoD Xboxes
My first 360 game was FF XIII. Had a massive crush on Lightning.
Guys, these consoles are so old I've seen these kinds of memes since the PS4 and Xbox One days. I think its time to accept they're retro
Classic? What? I'm really that old?
I was watching my roommate try to play portal the other day. He’s touchscreen generation. Never used a controller before.
It was a horrible thing to watch. Lots of “I can’t” shit you would get from a 6 year old.
To be fair, playing fps with controller has always been garbage.
That true, but the setup we are on can’t use a mouse. (Sunshine on Apple TV.)
To be fair to be fair, Portal on Xbox controller is entirely serviceable. You don't need super fast precision control in Portal anyway.
The fuck you on about? Have you ever played Portal beyond the first rooms? You definitely need fast and precise aiming in Portal.
May I enquire if you are completely informed on the topic?
Have you played Portal on controller? I've played through the game twice on controller on Xbox 360 and with mouse and keyboard on PC.
Both are very much playable. You don't need goddamn motherfucking MLG 100% 360° 720° noscope quickscope blaze it mtn dew it skillz only attainable through rarest of gamer mice and finest of mechanical keyboards. It's perfectly serviceable on controller. That was my point.
Still have mine hooked up for the kinect
DREEEAAAAMCAAAAAAAASST!!
DREEEEAAAAAAMCAST!!
*is quickly surrounded and tackled by shadowy xbox figures*
DREAMC-argh!
. . . dreamcaaaaaaast!
They had Call of Duty 2 going on the in-store display setup at EB games when the console had just come out.
There was a line to play it. Lots of people standing around just watching what was on screen.
I remember thinking it would be impossible for games to ever look better than what I was seeing at that time.
I played GTA 5 on the 360. Retro my ass.
But seriously, I have started considering this console as retro. Going back to 2006 and beyond is when I started looking at N64 as retro and GC/PS2/Xbox as 'the old'. Now PS4/XBO is 'the old' and well... yeah.. its been 20 years.
I think just the fact that we're playing some of the same games as we did on 360/PS4 is whats keeping it alive for longer and out of the retro light.
GTA V is as old today as quake 3 arena was when battlefield 4 was released.
Oh shit. I recently got a core duo for Christmas so I can finally play Lego racers... Recently 25 years ago omfg.
Yes. Getting old is hard.
Just go with it and let the newer generations enjoy what you did.
SNES and GBA was peak and most evergreen due to the games being peak pixel art before everything went 3D. Nearly every SNES and GBA game is still beautiful. I tried playing some N64 games, and they are so ugly that they are nigh unplayable. Xbox is just a platform to play modern PC games that isn't quite as good as PC. Even Playstation 1 and 2 games are too dated to enjoy beyond one or two fighting games.
I'm with ya. N64/PSX is difficult. Don't get me started on Saturn.
This is where it started for me. Skyrim, F:NV, GTA 4, Midnight Club: LA, Project Gotham, Halo 3, and not to mention the countless classic re-releases on XBLA. To think I would actually get into verbal arguments with my classmates over the 360 v.s PS3 console war.
war. war never changes.
I pulled my XB360 out this week. Like many people living in the south, we were iced in for the last 4-5 days. As a way to entertain my toddler I pulled out the 360 and Kinect to play fruit ninja. He loved playing it and even beat my high score from the last time I played it back in 2015
It's been twice as long since the 360 released as it was between the PS1 and the 360.
You can shut the hell up, please.
When the 360 came out the Sega Megadrive 2 would have been retro
To be fair, and for all their other woes, Microsoft's work on back compat with Xbox One / Series is a pretty incredible feat of engineering.
Too bad licensing means they've essentially run out of games to port.
If the 360 generation is retro than what is the playstation 2 generation or Windows 95/98 and Ps1 generation? Let alone the Super Nintendo generation.
Retro but older.
So not Classical Period or the Bronze Age?
It's been longer from now back to the Xbox 360 release as there was from the Xbox 360 release to the NES. Not even the SNES.
Hey hey hey, don't come here with your logic too make us feel old.
I started playing burnout revenge yesterday. Then I got utopia the creation of a natio working for dos, Amiga and SNES. Classics babeeee!
Well, Gears of War is about to be 20 years old. Twenty.
Fact: I have never seen an Xbox 360 in my life.
I ded
It isn't retro because it's beefy enough to not be emulated easily. And yes, by that definition, the Wii is retro.
Bad definition
The Switch is overall beefier and is emulated very well. Emulation is about the architecture and level of interest, not just specs.
And the switch
Xbox 360 is easier to emulate than OG Xbox or Sega Saturn last I checked.
That says more about the current state of technology than anything else.
It also depends on your definition of "easily". You can play pretty much anything from the xbox catalog on a cheap business laptop today.
Did x360 even have any exclusives? I think most games released for it came out on PC too, so you'll have a way better experience playing them on PC even if it's a cheap 10yr old PC...
Gears and Halo were the big exclusives for a long time.
They're on pc now...
Blue Dragon.
Theres no classics on that console
never heard of dead rising?
or RDR1
Ninja Gaiden 2
Catherine?
I'm considering a console as retro if they run on cartridges. All Xboxes are modern consoles.
Switch?
Has game carts and SD card and internal storage are just different kinds of cartridges. 100% retro. Gamecube is the only modern console Nintendo ever put out.