Bernie Sanders floats AOC as potential 2028 presidential contender: ‘Very good politician’
Independent Senator Bernie Sanders floated Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as a potential presidential candidate in the 2028 elections, saying that even though it's "her decision to make," she is a "very, very good politician."
Speaking to Axios, Sanders said that he has been "out on the streets with her" and noticed how she responds when people come up to her. "It's so incredibly genuine and open."
Ocasio-Cortez is seemingly positioning herself to run for higher office, whether it is challenging Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer for his seat or to make a run for president.
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I don’t think it’s a matter of her being ready, I think it’s that she has a real chance of beating schumer, whereas with the presidency, I’m not even sure she could even manage to win the primary. If an old white dude like Bernie couldn’t beat Hilary and Biden, what chance does a Latina woman in her 30s have?
I mean, if you completely ignore the DNC doing everything legally in their power to get in the way of Bernie and force feed Hilary in the first place... because they can't allow anyone vocal about actual progressive ideas in a position of party power... yeah that's what it looks like. But that's a pretty big thing to just ignore.
I’m not ignoring that, that’s one of the massive hurdles she would have to overcome
AOC will need to clear the DNC hurdle whether she runs for House, Senate, or Admin. Look at Platner
Not legally. The head of the DNC had to resign, and their lawyers argued in court that because they were a private organization they didn't have to follow their own rules.
No one was prosecuted so it was effectively deemed legal. That's the end result.
Honestly, I think she has a great chance. People didn't not vote for Hillary because she was a woman. It's because she represented the establishment and inspired nobody. People didn't not vote for Harris because she was a woman. It's because she represented the establishment and inspired nobody.
AOC is a candidate who seems to actually represent change. She seems to listen to the desires of the people and follow that. She doesn't just do what the donors demand. She has a chance because she does inspire people to see what could be, not just to repeat what is.
So then why did anyone vote for Biden, who represented the establishment and inspired nobody?
Because it was 2020 during the height of a botched Covid response and a few months after George Floyd. And Biden barely won. If you do the math, it was about 21,500 people across three states that determined the outcome, where them voting for Trump instead of Biden would have been an electoral tie that would have been decided by Pence. That's a technical margin of 0.012% that Trump electorally lost by.
I'm not a political analyst, but my guess would be hope that he would be better. He proved that he wasn't, which allowed Trump to come back because, despite everything, Trump did make promises to change things for regular people. Yes, they were lies, fear mongering, and about attacking a made up enemy, but he at least said something to make people think he would help them.
Because Biden was representing the establishment when they weren't in power and the Republicans were actively blowing it. And he did a lot worse than he should have. That shouldn't have been a squeaker election.
If Mamdani is an indication of anything, people will vote for leftist economic populism despite there being racial divides.
In the past few weeks and months, we saw in New York City that the majority of Jewish people still support Israel over Palestine. Yet, Mamdani has consistently pulled a plurality of Jewish support with double digit leads over the other candidates.
What this means is that Jewish people are just like any other American, and they are feeling the effects of this shit economy caused by Trump. Mamdani represents a bandaid to that more than the other candidates, so they're going with that and ignoring Mamdani's anti-Zionist and anti-Israel policy.
I don't think it matters what candidate you push a campaign for if they run on Left populism. As we've seen with Platner in Maine, though, being a white male veteran doesn't hurt either.
Mamdani is running for mayor of NYC.
NYC has had a majority (not a plurality) of votes go to Democrats in the presidential election back to 1952 and the last time republicans had a plurality was 1924. NYC is, sadly, not representative of the US as a whole. Also, he was going up against a man who may have surpassed ted cruz in terms of "unlikeable mother fucker"-ness
Platner is... a giant fucking mess. He has more red flags than fucking fetterman did (fun fact: He was batshit insane as far back as when he met Anthony Bourdain...), one of which being the nazi skull tattoo he had on his chest for 20 years and only removed once he was forced to during his, what, 3 months of a political career? Not to mention him having willingly joined Blackwater and his VERY questionable statements on sexual assault and his use of homophobic slurs as recently as 2020.
But, he kissed Sanders's ring so he has the "socialist" vote and establishment Democrats support him for whatever reason (which should raise a LOT more red flags but...). And while I am not invested enough to personally verify, a few colleagues I have out in Maine insist that Smith-Rodriguez was basically the same platform but with actual details and action plans but eventually pulled out to support the mayor (?) on the grounds of platner's horrific stances on sexual assualt and her being a victim of assault in the military.
Editorialized that a bit but... I think that is the real key. The vast majority of people don't actually care about policy or even basic human rights. They just want populist candidates. And that is not just limited to the US.
Which REALLY fucking sucks because... I've been incredibly critical of AOC's career and I think she was THIS close to wearing clown shoes with the rest of The Squad. But she has demonstrated that she has strong political acumen. And when she does do shitty stuff, she actually owns up to it on social media/direct to constituents videos.There is always the need for MASSIVE grains of salt with any politician but... AOC seems to kind of be exactly what we should want out of a democracy. Someone who cares and has grand ambitions but also understands they are a servant of the people and speaks to The People.
She just was born too late considering both sides are very much at "I can excuse being a Nazi but I draw the line at... I'll get back to you on that"
You're right about NYC. But wins add momentum, which builds and proves the DNC wrong.
The more and more I hear about Platner, the less I'm willing to defend him. He'll capture liberals, sure, and I prefer to have grace for people if they've shown that they can fix their shit and atone for what they've done in their lives, but he sure ain't the perfect candidate. You're right that we don't want Fetterman again, which is why we need to be critical of Platner here and now and not Vote "Who" No Matter Who like many liberals are doing now. If he keeps making bad decisions, like Kamala did as soon as her 2024 GE campaign made it to the DNConvention, then it'll suck. Janet Mills is an option, but she's not perfect either.
If Platner can have good messaging discipline, keep his campaign to Leftist economic popularism, come out with policies that support that agenda that he'd like to see implemented in Congress, and stay woke, I think I might throw him more support. But these things build. Trust needs to be built. And we all know that trust can be destroyed faster than it can be built.
Americans want populist candidates, and Leftist economics are popular.
AOC has a good track record. I want to see her because the leader of the party. I think the establishment Dems and DNC ignore the reality in front of them that their underlying base is changing views (against neoliberalism), and AOC should lead that fight. I think she'd be better for SML instead of President tho. Because of what we said about NYC and NYS, because of how it votes differently from the rest of the country, I think she has a safer bet to oust Schumer and gain even more national notoriety as a SML. She'll be setting the stage for the Dems, and hell, has more of a backbone than Jeffries ever will.
Lots to be excited for
Yeah... I am pretty sure "willingly joined Blackwater" and "had a nazi tattoo on his chest for 20 years" automatically kicks him off to "broke" with a shade of "holy fucking shit". And while I do think people can, and should. be allowed to change, all signs are he very much hasn't. Still using homophobic slurs as recently as 2020 and his defense of the nazi skull boils down to "I am a military historian AND terminally online but I have never seen an SS outfit or the Mitchell and Webb meme"
At best he is a deeply stupid person who should not be allowed anywhere near office. More likely, he thinks voters are deeply stupid. Just a question of whether he is a fetterman/sinema in disguse.
(Also apparently he says his stance on Israel and genocide is basically Kamala's? Which is even funnier that there aren't the "I refuse to vote for genocide, period" crowd out attacking him...).
But, he is popular and that is all that matters.
A meathead veteran running on a left populist platform is how you can get some of the MAGA working class votes. Platner is the opposite of an elite well spoken academic, than can actually appeal to the proletariat and petit bourgeoisie.
To be a latina woman in her 30s would be a definite pick for a presidency over a geriatric male (let's be honest, I like Bernie Sanders but he is very old).
For such a job you'd want someone in their prime age with sharp attention span, with a forward-looking vision, not back. With multicultural experience to better communicate with the rest of the world.
I'm not an American so I can't vote but I would definitely pick her out of those two.
So let her try to win the primary. If she doesn’t win, what difference would it make?
If she’s at that point, she probably didn’t run for senate
Bernie’s problem was that he wasn’t a democrat. I voted for him but I know a lot of people, like my parents, who are center-left who simply refused to vote for somebody who didn’t caucus with democrats. These are the same people who are already looking at people like Newsom.
Edit for clarification: I understand that the Bernie is considered to caucus with the democrats because he generally votes with them. However, those who used the term disparagingly as I referenced above don’t believe independents can caucus with any party and used that as an excuse to refer to him as a DINO and not caucusing or being required to caucus.
He always caucuses with Democrats. That's how Dems held the Senate under Biden. Without Bernie they wouldn't have had their 50. You don't have to be in the party to be part of the caucus.
I get what you are saying but that’s not what the talking heads meant when they said that.
Those talking heads should probably learn what words mean before they used them then
I take "Caususes with" to generally means "votes more or less in line with" (I know that's not really everything about it). What definition are you using?
Your parents aren't "center-left" if they didn't vote for Bernie.
It was the primary?
That and honestly I do like governors as canidates as they have more direct experience running a government. In the last election I was excited waltz was the vp. Granted the presidency is more about who you select to run the agencies which is one of the many reasons trump sucks so bad.
Trump has shown this step isnt strictly necessary.
The comments are a classic example of what is actually meant by “You are not immune to propaganda”
They're saying this because they are bots
I want her to run for senate mainly because shes the best chance we have to unseat schumer, and that is important too. Id be happy either way honestly, but thats my preference.
I'm sure just one more centrist moderate trying to appeal to Republicans will definitely work this time...
In all seriousness, we (as Americans & people world-wide) desperately need genuine Progressives like AOC & Bernie. They are the only ones that consistently hard work hard to advance big, bold action that would actually help improve working people's lives!
It makes me so mad because AOC is exactly the kind of candidate that Kamala tried to cosplay as for her campaign.
It's so frustrating to see people drool over the fake as fuck version of AOC yet say AOC isn't presidential material.
At the end of the day, the POTUS is not just a party leader, it is a national (formerly world) leader. That involves being able to at least get SOMETHING out of the other side... unless you are just going to be a fascist dictator apparently.
But you can be damned sure that the news media would immediately attack any Democrat who tried that and lead the lynch mob themselves. So we need someone who knows when to "reach across the aisle" and when to say "Fuck off" because they have enough votes.
Traditionally? The Senate is a great place to learn how to do that. Because there are only 100 (actually 101) people and almost everyone is an established politician, you have to do a LOT more negotiation to get anyone to vote against party lines (usually by benefiting their constituents). Whereas the House is, historically, where randos show up and we are just lucky if they don't eat crayons on camera. So "protest votes"/"meme votes" are more common and they are a lot more likely to break party lines because they know they are going back home next year or trying to join a lobbyist firm.
ANY Democrat would be better than the rapist in chief... maybe even fucking fetterman. But a stronger AOC can do a LOT more good down the line... if there is a down the line.
Yeah, and it's been shown that establishment democrats don't really have the appeal they need to do so. No one gives a shit because they aren't representing their desires. They're representing, at best, status quo. If you haven't noticed that's not exactly popular at the moment.
That's exactly the question. I personally thought in 2024 that a paedophile, senile 80yo felon who already lost an election (even from the incumbent position) already wouldn't be exactly popular either, but here we are.
US presidential elections are so unpredictable, because there's only two actual candidates in the race, since there's no run-off or anything like that. There's no real way to know what's exactly popular at the moment until it's too late.
Did Harris lose because she's a black woman? Did she lose due to unpolar positions? Did she lose because of poor campaign management? Did she lose because russian bots helped Trump? Did she lose because people "had enough of woke"? Did she lose because people just love dementia?
It's really hard to know, and likely its all of the above to certain degree.
Has it? Biden thoroughly beat Trump. The Kamala was thoroughly beaten.
Biden is very much so establishment
And people realized how shit it was. It wasn't working for them.
Biden barely won. I don't know what alternate reality you're remembering, but that was a squeaker of an election hinging on a margin of less than 50k votes. GA, AZ, and WI were all won by less than 1%, and flipping them would be a loss.
That was closer than Trump's win over Clinton.
Yes some swing states were close, that's basically every election.
Now if you look at the numbers Biden had 306 electoral votes while Trump had 232. GA has 16 electoral votes, AZ has 11, and WI has 10. If Biden lost all 3 of those states and Trump won them instead it would have resulted in a 269 to 269 vote tie in the electoral college. Meaning a vote in the House of Representatives would decide the election. Which was majority Democrat, meaning a win for Biden. So even in a made up scenario Biden still wins.
And we're not even talking about the difference in popular vote which was significant. Sure it doesn't always decide the election, but I believe it provides a good gauge on how the American people feel.
No, it really isn't. 50k votes between win an loss is the closest election in decades. Closer than when Trump beat Clinton, and way closer than Trump beating Harris. Not since Bush v. Gore has the margin been closer.
The reason why a tie is a loss is that it's not a vote of the representatives as a whole, it's a vote of the states, as decided by the reps. Republicans had a majority of reps in 26 states.
Fair enough on the contingent election. Something only possible if you change 3 whole state votes. Seems pretty unlikely to me.
If we go down that train of thought the there's no reason the states that barely went Trump could then go the other way.
Which is why the popular vote is the more important metric for determining how the American populace as a whole felt about the canidate. Especially considering that election had one of the largest voter turnouts in US history
Hi! Welcome to the present! It’s 2025, did you just arrive?
Judging by how you behave you're not fucking a lot my dude.
Well, surely the right wing democrats will "vote blue, no matter who", right? I mean Biden got already elected , even though he was clearly unfit, maybe it's time somebody that isn't on their deathbed gets into office.
Compared to Europe, the democrats are definitely right-wing, not even centric. They are very neoliberal and capitalist. Those are all very right-wing ideas. The republicans are currently in the same class as the radical right which is unfortunately making inroads in Europe. But America doesn't really know a real left except perhaps Bernie Sanders.
If you imagine a room full of people, where people are evenly distributed according to their political and economic views, there will always be a right wing. Even the US Communist Party has a right wing.
But I would agree that demorats do indeed have brain damage on the right wing.
We want this madness to end and to do that we need to appeal to the same sort of folks who buy Chevy Equinoxes.
Fuck em and fuck that weak shit.
The neoliberals fucked up and can get out of the way forever or we might as well ride this bitch of a species screaming into the abyss.
I totally agree but every damn car looks like an Equinox so I don’t think we can win a popularity contest.
You have to win to change things bruh. If you can't focus on that even a little and focus only on what you want in a perfect world , then it doesn't matter you want because you'll never win.
All else being equal a white man less than 65 who believe 95percent the same things as AOC will get at least 5 percent more votes just like that, which is the difference between winning and losing.
Being a woman wasn't why Hillary and Kamala lost. Hell, Hillary had the popular vote, but Congress broke our electoral system in 1929, so that doesn't matter anymore. So America did choose a woman.
Under the Constitution of the United States, a person must be aged 35 or over to serve as president. To be a senator, a person must be aged 30 or over. To be a Representative, a person must be aged 25 or older. This is specified in the U.S. Constitution.
The US Constitution does not specify an age requirements for one to serve on the Supreme Court.
There are no specified age requirements to serve in a presidential cabinet —Wikipedia
Trump has proven the constitution doesn't matter any more.
That’s so weird, I don’t know why I thought someone had to be 43 years old…
I would like to say: clinton didn't lose because she's a woman, she lost because she's a sleazeball. harris didn't lose because she's a woman, she lost because she was courting the right wing for some reason. AOC can win because she's not a sleazy right winging neolib. I'd vote for her for president.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but don’t underestimate the role of misogyny. A commentator on a podcast i listen to was in the US in the run-up to the last election and they said that something they heard over and over again in the people they talked to was variations on “i hate Trump and everything he stands for, but i couldn’t trust the country to a woman”
I had one friend like this. Basically all he talked about was how much he hates Trump, then come election he said he wasn't voting at all because "Trump is bad, but Harris is worse because she's a woman".
In the sake of honesty, it wasn't just that. He also said a few times that she's worse than Trump because she claimed to be from a working class family, but almost always it was that she was a woman that was his reasoning.
It is stunning to imagine somebody actually saying this out loud, conscious of what they are doing rather than mindlessly acting on biases without introspection like a normal moron.
But somehow I also have zero surprise about it. Even if it's just a fake story you made up for Lemmy it doesn't matter because it's genuinely a mundane everyday concept in so much of the country. (middle aged USian white dude from a conservative family here, it's been a long time but I've heard it all)
I feel like I've gained a new understanding of quantum superposition!
I just don't believe them anymore. I think they always wanted this and were embarrassed to be fascists.
I'm saying he's wrong.
What you said is true. But any woman, even a great one, is going to have a tougher time than a man would. Sexism is still a problem in this country.
Both Harris and Clinton position themselves as more of the status quo. Trump both time always positions himself as an outsider who taps into to racism and white rage. The only time you can win off a status quo type deal if the Dem admin was doing amazing during when they had power.
That certainly had a decent effect. She was an easy target. She's not white, she's a woman, Right there you lost almost the entire right. She was trying to court the Jews when Israel was ready to go to bed with trump. She was a 11:59pm changeover for a sick president that was already making some questionable calls. Most of what she was doing wasn't wrong or bad, but it was easy to attack and impossible to defend.
2025 Project was being installed and is being orchestrated by professional incredibly well funded politicians with incredible levels of oligarch backing. No matter what she would have done, anything but an all out blue wave would not have stopped them.
But it won't matter in the next election, they're ready to read from the Russian playbook. It'll be a mock election. Most of the republicans and a lot of the dems are complicit. Even if the left were to get in (0 change imo) they would just call in some left sleepers to switch the power back, we're well and properly baked.
AOC can win because she voted against the rail unions. This pleases the donors
Support for what ever she decides is next, although I feel like the senate would be a better step. However the democrats dont really have a face to back that isnt some centerist that thinks its ok to play with the bully after they have taken your lunch money or someone that is older than Wonder Bread (tm).
Imagine if AOC remained SML as long as Moscow Mitch.
AOC the SML of the USA
AOC SML or POTUS FTW
There's no path where she becomes Senate Majority Leader. You don't take the position off the corpse of your defeated opponent.
I'm not sold on his face, but I do like the way Pritzker swings a bat. He's a bit centrist, but at least he's a fighter.
His problem is he's a billionaire. But as a stop gap, I think he could work.
At this point, he is a billionaire by choice. He could donate to groups that work towards equitable living for the marginalized, but he doesn't. He only has a couple billion, but that's enough to make a very real impact for a lot of vulnerable people. This is very nearly the trolley problem. He can do nothing and let a lot of people die or he can intervene and save most but not all.
As Rush said (the band, not Limbaugh lol), If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
That is also the philisophical crux of The Witcher series (books and games, not the TV show now starring the least-hot hemsworth)
The show was such a disappointment. There was solid source material to work off of, and they just shit all over it. They did Henry Cavill dirty, and dragged the witcher IP through the mud so much so it will probably never be put on screen again to present the actual story.
You never know, Hellboy got 3 different incarnations within 20 years despite having been a relatively unknown property outside of diehard comic readers.
Sadly they got progressively worse.
Id argue that he made a choice to use that as a cushion to allow him to devote himself to public service. I dont k ow if that is true, but my u derstanding is that he inherited this money. Doesnt mean he hs the same mindset of the person who accumulated it in the firstplace. Sins of the father and all.
Agreed, but my point is that most of us don't get to just choose to be a billionaire. He does. Because he could choose to fund different things or donate to groups and he chooses not to. I'm not indicting him on exploiting people to amass that wealth, but he has chosen to keep billions of dollars for himself when he could be putting a lot of his money towards fighting the very things he says we need to fight.
That doesn't necessarily make him a bad person; he just could be a whole hell of a lot better. I could donate more and don't because I'd like to one day maybe be able to work less than full time before I die. He could have decided to never work a day in his life and instead opted to work a public service job, so props to him for that, but there's still more I think he ought to be doing in these dire times.
They are going to basically offer her Chuck's Senate seat, unopposed, as long as she doesn't go after the nomination that they have already awarded to Newsom. He's the Next One Up!
Nooooooo!
He literally pushed to make being unhoused a crime.
Newsom is fine. The right smears him and California almost as much as they did HRC. Don't go along with their propaganda.
There's more than just the right's propaganda here. He's a better choice than any MAGA, surely, but not the "Dem" I'd want.
Newsom is not fine, fuck that guy
Unfortunately the way the system works, you basically have to vote for who you'd fuck less
The electorate is still as old as hell and won’t like someone younger than them.
That's why Barrack Obama lost.
A female president of a normal age would be an amazing change for the US. Why does it always have to be geriatric males?
One of the few sitting Dems I'd vote for.
I don't know if AOC is the right pick but I do know she's closer to the target than Gavin Newsom. Nothing against him, but the Democratic party needs a candidate that can inspire people.
But that's getting ahead of things. First the american people need to primary ~50% of sitting democrats in the midterms.
There's plenty to be against Newsome for considering he platformed fascists, attacks the homeless for fun, and isn't supportive of the LGBTQ+ community.
I think she is smart enough to surround herself with intelligent people. And Newsom seems to have a much bigger ego which is not what I'm interested in, personally.
I appreciate Bernie for being an adult and helping to boost up the people that will be here after him.
Most every other politician, when they aren't cramming their unqualified, entitled broodspawn where they don't belong, is gnawing off limbs trying to make sure they're entombed with their positions like the pharaohs.
I'm a big fan of AOC, but I think I'd rather her wait until 2032. The next presidency (if there even is one) is going to be a fucking shitshow trying to clean up Trump's messes. I'd rather her get the opportunity to be a "get shit done" President, instead of having to spend all her time rooting out Trump's traitors in the government while getting villainized in the media.
I'm not sure she has the thunder she had in 2018. BUT If she calls for a general strike in the next 6 weeks, and then starts to be the lead organizer of said strike, she's my gal. I really hope she learns from Bernie in specifically how he's organized his national campaigns.
2018 was different I don't blame her for being more outspoken then. I agree with the other commentor that she should run for senate. She' make an excellent senate majority leader. If there's still no female president by 2036 she'd probably be a layup at that point.
I don't share the view that sexism is what is blocking a female president in the US; I think being an inauthentic corporate sellout is what has, so far, blocked a female president in the US. So that doesn't factor in for me.
2028, should there be an election, is 100% in play for AOC.
And that actually is my biggest concern with AOC. Pelosi worked hard, from 2018-2020 to ice the FUCK out of AOC. And AOC stayed strong and outspoken. In fact, AOC in some ways was representing real leadership. When AOC ran again, won again, Pelosi instead of resisting, worked to bring her into the fold. And the strength of AOC's rhetoric has diminished substantially. And AOC has become less and less outspoken and willing to target Democrats with criticism and become more and more of a "team player". Now I'm not saying AOC is cooked, but she's definitely on the stove.
She'll be a career politician no matter what. We'll see what that means for her over time.
Me neither. 2036 is 3 elections away. Not exactly a long shot that the next 2 will be won by men. All I'm saying is that she'd probably be more effective in the senate (especially as leader) for the next decade and she's young enough for a presidential run later.
She'd be empowered as SML and given her aptitude that's why I think she'd be a layup for first female president afterwards.
Seems like the core argument is that AOC should wait a few cycles.
I question the strength of that argument given the nature of her approach to politics and our current/ ongoing political moment. She doesn't get stronger as a candidate with time she gets weaker, more associated with the establishment.
The outsider lane is the strongest right now and it's hers to take in 2028. Neither Pritzker or Newsom can take that lane. Why wait?
The core of my argument is that the senate needs AOC more than the executive branch. America needs functional legislatures more than the ideal commander and chief. Americans have fixated on the presidency for generations at the expense of functional house/senate/courts.
Because the senate is the real bottleneck; as we saw during Obama/Biden. Meanwhile 2028's presidential race is a referendum on democracy regardless of who the DNC puts forward.
The core of your argument seems to place a higher priority on AOC winning the presidency than the actual outcomes. I'm arguing for what I see as best for USA, not AOC.
Given her aptitude I think she could win in the senate and would be an excellent majority leader. AOC would also not be required to resign as senate majority leader to run for president. IMO she's one of the few people that could effectively campaign while maintaining her senate duties.
The higher priority is in winning the presidency, and regardless of what the constitution once said it was interpreted to mean, having an executive with the same political and ethical priorities as myself is of the highest priority. This is coupled with them being of the kind of person, like FDR, who be willing to assert the kind of executive authority established under Trumpism.
It is now established in the US that both the Congress and the judiciary are secondary authorities to the executive branch.
A meek, milquetoast Democrat, or a greasy centrist, or yet another billionaire, taking office and just trying to glaze over and return to a neo liberal business as usual would be disastrous for this country. We need bold reforms and it's not going to come through the legislative when the scope of executive powers have been expanded as such There are plenty of adequate Democrats to fill this Senate seat, it's not one that the DNC is at risk of losing. Democrats, however, have not been effective at winning the presidency.
AOC being effective 20 years from now is of almost no value because timing is everything. Also, it's clear to me that Bernie has been grooming her for a Presidential run now for several years. He's handing off the reigns to the movement he built. AOC has been tossed around as a potential presidential candidate since her first upset. She the obvious progressive pick.
Right now in the mix for 2028 the three names available to you are Newsom, Pritzker, and AOC. There are boomers and Jefferies and Buttegiegs of the world that might throw their names in, but they are way lower down the tier list.
Your perspective seems to be based largely out of parochial thinking that you know best where AOCs skills and aptitudes should be deployed, and that the"true power" of the government lay in the Senate. I don't think your opinions are with soit because you are ignoring the entirety of the context of the current political landscape and the entire redefinition of the structure of power which has happened under Trump. Thankfully though, like I'll be doing, opinions like yours will be recognized as the anachronism that they are by the politically savvy, this be dutifully ignored.
lmao k
sorry for having a different opinion than you. jfc buddy wtf.
I sort of agree, but there is definitely enough sexism to knock off a couple percentage points. It's possible to win and AOC has the right populist appeal that might actually get her elected, but both her gender and her latine name will give her more work than a cishet white man.
These aren't barriers, but the are hurdles.
Our greatest recent win was with a black man with a Muslim name. Charisma and idealistic policy are way more important factors than all these excuses the centrists are throwing around now that the female nominee might not be a neoliberal. The same "but whatabout vagina" hand wringing surged when Warren was briefly leading the primary. And the same deferral to whatever prejudices are convenient to the end goal were brought out against Obama.
The same people promoting moderate Republican sensitivities as our guiding light are the ones who keep running shitty candidates and losing. They don't know how to win elections.
I agree. That's why AOC should focus on policies instead of identity politics. Because what I said is also true
Edit: I'm not saying she's doing that, but dems have a history of trying and failing to fight cons on those terms
Right now I'm still trying to find someone to primary this fucking cunt, Ed Case. I had a line on someone in the first, but they're now moving to Portugal. I've put out feelers to Tyler Dos-santos, but like, I'm pretty sure Tyler thinks he's going to be governor and isn't willing to fight Case. I've reached out to some a kanaka lawyer only to find out that her family is close family friends with Case.
Then there is this shit-bird: https://ballotpedia.org/Samantha_DeCorte
I'm trying to figure out if Desire Desoto is running. She came close but fell short and we ended up with a MAGA rep. Kanaka maoli are very pro-Trump.
You interpreting anything I said through that lens means your brain is fucking broken and need to step back from politics. Fuck off with any even fucking hinting of blue-maga bullshit that handed Trump the election.
Look at this point you could literally run George Washington himself as a Democrat and MAGA wouldn't vote for him.
Also, compared to the current guy, a rancid portion of tuberculotic lung coughed up in a pool of fetid blood on the floor of some 18th century eastern European sanitarium is a "very good politician".
And the status quo liberals will coalesce like Voltron to stop her just like they did with Bernie.
I saw this coming a mile away and I hope she does win the Presidential Election to break barriers and to end the nonsense going on currently.
Problem is the conservatives will argue/debate no woman should be in power followed by countless historical references to prove their point. Then someone will show even more historical references of conservatives causing twice to three times the issues. This will turn into one giant circle jerk of why they (conservative) won't listen to a woman when they don't even listen to their own parents.
Love the optimism that there will be elections in the US in the foreseeable future!
Lol the DNC has chosen Newsom as the new golden boy.
The DNC would run the corpse of Hillary Clinton again before letting a progressive have power.
I would love for AOC to actually be allowed to be voted on, because she would probably win the popular vote like progressives almost always do.
Give me the most balls left big balls fucking make my day powerful bitch we got. We have SO MUCH bullshit to undo and redo.
If it's AOC, she better do it right.
one of us is having a stroke
XD Is that better?
Better than
Not only Godzilla but also his children? Have some mercy!
If the democrats actually nominate her it will be because she has stopped doing it right.
Make another party, then.
Crockett. I think she has the right energy and confrontation attitude we need.
As inappropriate and watered down as it sounds, I honestly don't think this country is going to vote in a female president this decade. Race plays a part too, but I honestly think that this country is more sexist than it is racist when it comes to presidential voting. It's partially a gut feelings, but I think gender played a bigger role than many people think in the 2016 and 2024 elections. As messed up as it sounds, I think Bernie POTUS with AOC VP would stand a better chance of winning right now as opposed to the other way around. Even with all of the socialist/communist boogie-man bullshit that Bernie gets thrown at him.
Non an american but I feel like US needs a revolutionary candidate to come back from Trump. It has to be someone strong enough to put nazis back into their place.
It's still early to talk about this though right? From what I understand the upcoming midterms will shape everything else.
AOC vs Erica Kirk.
The brown girl vs all that is white and right beauty pageant queen pick me. I can already call it. She will be the pied piper leading all the women into the Handmaids Tale.
I mean how many times do we have to learn the hard way that America won't elect a woman to be president?
Look at this country.
It's a shitshow.
It didn't elect a woman when the other option was a felon, rapist, insurrectionist manchild with one failed presidency and two impeachments already under his belt.
Do we really want to do this again when the stakes are so unbelievably high?
Goddamn. People need to get their heads screwed on straight. She isn't just a woman, she's also profoundly hated by a lot of Americans for being so progressive. Why the fuck would we do this to ourselves? I mean America wouldn't even elect Bernie, the male version of her with a lot more experience.
WE NEED TO START LIVING IN REALITY.
I like AOC. I respect her for what she does. But she's not going to be president in 2028.
I don't see anyone better for the job.
Certainly not that transphobic piece of shit from California, that's for damn sure.
Hell yeah dawg AOC popped into hBomberGuy’s DK64 nightmare steam to say “trans rights” lawl
Newsome is fine. He's not transphobic, he is big time supporter of LGBTQ+. He's trying to find a moderate message to win because he saw how Republicans destroyed Kamala on the trans issue.
Personally, I think he should go hard left, but I'm not an incredibly successful governor of the best state in the country.
I vote yes.
I like AOC and agree with her on a lot. And I really would like to see how she would handle it. But as a straight white guy in his 40's that honestly wants to see things get better for everyone I also dread the tidal wave of dog whistle reasons the GOP will bring out for why she is unfit.
I know that is the point, but the constant avalanche of ignorant talking points that hearken back to "the good ole days" when men were men, women were arm candy, and brown people shared a corner on the floor with the family dog in these peoples minds that they disguise as honest engagement with a legitimate issue in the country is starting to burn me out.
To get her elected we will have to fight the oligarchs, Israel, the Republicans and the Democrats. But I'm with her. I'd vote for her and Crockett.
I think that plenty of people who voted for Trump would be fine voting for a woman president as long as she's strongly advocating change
These people just know that things aren't great, they don't know whose fault it was or what policies caused it. So they vote for the person who says they'll change the most.
The largest deciding factor stated by people after voting was the economy. People remembered that there was a lot of inflation under Biden, and didn't want to keep similar policies. Of course, we know that Trump's first term had a pretty large influence on the state of the economy under Biden, and Biden's policies probably didn't hurt the economy. But the average voter is not that informed.
She's my Rep, and I love her. I don't agree with her 100%, but I respect her, which is more than I can say about 99% of politicians.
That said, Bernie calling her a "very good politician" is not the compliment he thinks it is. Politicians should do anything they can to keep people from making the connection that at their core they are POLITICIANS.
NOBODY likes politicians.
You have to admire his belief that there will actually be a 2028 presidential election.
The thing about AOC is that she can bring in the millennials which far out weigh the normal voting demographic.
Her first executive order should be to nullify all executive orders Donald Trump ever made.
Remove that man from history make everyone forget his name.
You know, kind of what happened with Caligula.
I'm going to lose all my karma. But the democrats don't need a pretty face.They need a freaking platform.
she really doesn't have a chance anyway.She's too polarizing. Clinton was same the same way.
We need to beat the republicans, not keep throwing them.Elections. also our identity politics are cringeworthy
The last hope, so to say.
Just like no Kings, no Queens either.
I think AOC is amazing, but nobody should be a dictator.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Yass+Queen
Yeah she should run
I don't think she has what it takes to come back from where you've gone. The next democratic president will have to match or exceed the current regime change policy and be able to ignore laws and norms and gerrymander to get enough power to do anything. Dems have nobody cutthroat enough to do these things.
I hate that my thoughts on this need to waffle between:
(A) who do I think would be the best president, and
(B) who do I think has the most strategic chance of beating the GOP puppet candidate.
She is much better than corporate sellout Gavin Newscom.
You all know that next US president will be Donald Trump Jr, 5-6 terms, maybe more. It's scary but possible. Trump (demented one) is working on that.
Oh, I hope she doesn't run for President yet. It would be a waste of her talent. Not that I think she'd do a bad job (considering the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.) but I don't think the electorate in the US is ready for her yet, and I think she has a lot she can contribute legislatively. I hope she unseats Schumer though. That's not only within reach but very doable.
She’s a brilliant person, but the US has repeatedly shown it’s still too misogynistic to elect a woman president.
I don't think so. Clinton was dislikably arrogant and put very little policy forward. Kamala didn't have the arrogant of Clinton but still in classic Democratic fashion did very little in the way of policy put forward to earn people's votes.
The problem isn't women. It's shire campaigns and I think people let the DNC off the hook too much. They're only effective when taking out decent people like Sanders.
Elizabeth Warren was good, had plenty of policy, but people said she was too shrill.
Newsom has a weird voice, but nobody cares.
And failed to drop out when Bernie was still in with a chance to ensure there was a progressive candidate. She had no real chance in the primaries.
Super Oops didnt mean to Tuesday!
What? Really? Your country is insane.
Bernie, I get. Clinton was anything but likeable.
It might be the case. But look at the candidates we've had that are women. They're fucking awful. Hillary has politics that are probably to the right of Nixon, Jill Stein is clearly a Russian operative, and Kamala is a fucking disingenuous cop. So yeah, this country has a shit electorate, but the candidates have done nothing to show me that we absolutely wouldn't vote for a woman candidate.
Exactly. A woman has 0% chance of winning in the next few cycles. That's just reality. I love AOC, and I would vote for her in the general, but she would lose.
Hell yes. I’d vote for her any day of the week.
What do you people mean “if there’s an election”? You don’t understand what that means?
it means that we're afraid that elections will be cancelled due to reasons.
I really hate to say this, but there’s no way a woman will win in 2028 (if an election even happens).
The vast centrist vote will go towards stability and a return to the ‘values’ they think have been lost.
It sucks a lot, but the only viable choice will be a white man. I hate this, but it’s true.
Walz is probably the most politically viable choice. Does that suck? Yeah. But pragmatically, it’s just true.
Sorry to be crass, but fuck that. Is anyone excited about the generic geriatric white male candidate? Tons of people love AOC and Bernie, too, for that matter. I think we need a candidate that actually inspires people. Someone that people want to vote for, volunteer for, canvas for, etc. Maybe I'm just a dreamer, though.
Hey man, I’m with you. This sucks a lot.
This situation is fucking terrible. Personally, I’d prefer Bernie would run himself, but he clearly doesn’t want to (and given his age, I can’t blame him).
To be completely honest, though, he’s got sort of a bad track record of backing other candidates, so if he’s endorsing AOC, that’s even more evidence she won’t win.
I agree with him on most things, and I’d absolutely back him as a candidate like 10 years ago, but he’s not a kingmaker. I wish we lived in a better world, but we don’t. Our world is fucking awful, politically speaking.
Frankly, I’ll vote for any democrat that challenges Trump. My logic is that only the Democratic Party has ANY actual shot at winning, so whether it’s AOC, Bernie, or he’ll even Vermin Supreme if they put him on the ballot. I will vote for a fucking brick if it’s a democrat and challenges Trump. It almost certainly cannot get worse.
Edit: and before people say Trump won’t be on the ballot in 2028… I wouldn’t be so sure about that lol. You hear/see the shit this guy says/does?
I think a large part of the problem is that he likely won’t be. He’s not in charge now, and once he dies in office, people will think the danger has passed.
The issue is people think trump is the cause rather than a symptom.
In 2028, especially if he’s dead and his grave is the county’s biggest toilet, many people will breathe a sigh and think everything has gone back to normal, ignoring that the real fascists are still in control. That will be when it becomes truly dangerous.
Trump is not in charge, and things will not change when he’s gone, but most people will think everything is fine then, and will go back to ‘politics as normal’.
Yep. People like Curtis Yarvin and Thiel and Musk and "JD" are quite a bit younger than the pedo-in-chief.
The donor class that supported the construction of all the systems of radical right wing epistemic closure, long before Taco came along, are not going away, and neither is their money. And neither are those systems. If anything, those systems are being honed and perfected to be even worse than ever before (cable and local news are nothing compared to things like TikTok for being able to control minds).
People might think that Gen Y or Gen Z will be pissed off to make real changes, but I don't believe it, for two reasons. One is that I've seen the same claims made about boomers and Gen X. The second is that Gen Y and Gen Z are poised to be the biggest beneficiaries of the largest wealth transfer in history. I seriously doubt that will radicalize them, and there is not much evidence of any kind of a big progressive swell in either of them as-is.
You’re right, but more to the point: they’ve largely solidified changes to the system via Project 2025 that will take decades to reverse, if they can be reversed at all.
I’m not talking about philosophical or ideological changes, but real, tangible changes to laws that are impervious to differences in who’s president or what the political landscape is.
The damage is largely done now. Even if by some miracle of the electorate going against everything that’s ever happened in the history of the nation and defying people’s nature and misogyny and whatever, AOC was somehow elected, it will take decades to begin to fix this.
The fact that people don’t understand this only solidifies my assessment that there’s no chance she could be elected. People simply do not understand the current political climate.
I wish this pipe dream could be true, because that would be a much better world than the one in which we live.
Trump is not the cause, but he made it possible for these people to take power
Yeah, in the same way a cut allows you to get a staph infection.
But a hangnail or certain kinds of sex at a bad time can do that, too.
Trump is just the method of delivery. Staph was always there, waiting for an opportunity.
Walz actually would have me a little excited. He seems like a great person and a solid candidate.
I'd be more excited for AOC. It's possible she wouldn't have a chance, but if the will of the American people keeps disappointing, then at some point we have to hang it up and say we deserve what we get.
If we can't vote in a woman at this point, then maybe the experiment really is over.
A woman will not win in America, probably for the next 40 years at least.
Bernies too old.
Bullshit. That the lie youve all told yourselves, but the reality is that you choose a shit candidate that happened to be a woman, in Harris. She was presenting herself as a republican moderate, while she had hollywood running around on her behalf saying the "woke" shit that people are fucking sick to death of.
No, the reason that AOC wont get the nom, or the support, is because shes what the Dems dont want. Someone who wont bend the knee to the party leaders or their rich donors. Just last year she was nailed on for a house committee seat, and Nancy fucking Pelosi from her fucking hospital bed, rallied to make sure she didnt get it. Instead it went to a 75 year old man with fucking cancer. And yes, he died 4 months later, and they STILL wont give her the seat.
AOCs problem, isnt that shes a woman. Its that shes the second coming of Bernie. She would get shit done that most voters actually want. In 2016, being utterly sick of the money and corruption in politics, even Republicans said they would vote for Bernie. YES, OVER TRUMP!!!! And the DNC still fucked him. They will fuck AOC as well, like they already have. Because she would win. She would get votes from all over the political spectrum because she would drag the US into the new millennium, finally getting Americans healthcare that doesnt bankrupt them or deny them service, because it would be free at point of need. The millionaires and billionaires would get taxed properly, and education would be easier to access and afford/be free.
AOC, Bernie and those like them are what America needs to realise the dream that so many Americans have been denied since birth. Her vagina isnt the issue. The fact she would be good for the people is.
Can we just have her as the 1st pres of New California, instead? Fuck the rest of these maggoty losers and their suckhole fanbase. Maybe a new start ain't so bad an idea, and the DNC can choke on their long-impatient headstones, et al.
Lol no. I’m old enough to not care about Harris’s minuscule blip on the political landscape, and to understand far larger social trends than that.
The fact you think this is about Harris of all the decades of social trends makes it clear you have no idea what I mean, and maybe you should take a moment to learn some things before writing such a diatribe.
In fact, I’m pretty sure you’re precisely the type who, when trump dies, will think everything has gone back to normal. I hope I’m wrong about that, because this whole thing is far larger and plays out over a far longer time scale than you think. Please prove me wrong.
Social trends have changed. No one gives a fuck that youre a woman. Only racists and sexists think a 50 year old white man is the only option.
Trump is not now, nor has he ever been the problem. The culture wars, and those that participate in them are the problem. It would be fine it stuck to the internet, but its bleeding out. And Trump, among others, weaponised it.
But the fact remains, that the desire to see change in American politics is as strong now as it was in 2016, when Trump conned a lot of people with "Drain the swamp". AOC is that change. The only question is whether or not the DNC and the party as a whole will get the fuck out of the way, or just fuck her over again like they did last year and like they did Bernie in 2016 and 2020.
Bullshit.
You don’t, but you’re not everyone.
A massive part of understanding the world is understanding that you’re not everyone. My entire career has been to understand other people, and step 1 is to realise that you are not everyone. It’s very counterintuitive for most of us, but also very necessary if you hope to understand things.
I am not everyone, and I am not speaking for myself here. If the world were me, I’d 100% say AOC could win. I’d fucking love that.
But I am not the world.
Sorry, but thats just culture wars talking. AOC is the new Bernie. And people will vote for the change that they represent. Loud, doesnt mean majority. It never did.
Okay. Sure, my entire life on this planet and all of my lived experience is ‘culture wars’.
Believe what you like, I’ll not stop you.
This isn’t ‘culture wars’ – whatever that even means here. It’s me talking to you. Being reductionist only makes you seem pithy, which is actually rather sad.
We’re probably done here, if you can’t even have a conversation without resorting to catch phrases.
The problem isn't their genitals. The problem is their policies.
Especially support for Israel.
They have their genitals deep in Israel.
There's a circumcision joke in there, but I'm fuckin' spent. 🤷🏼♂️
I agree, but Walz would have to be allowed to be himself. They reined him in last election and that sucked. I want him to go unchained and I don't want anyone trying to have him dial it back...we need someone that is giving good reasons to vote FOR them, speaking plainly and showing some fight.
I wish it were otherwise because I would so love to see AOC in that office. But I just think there is just so much misogyny in this country. And the only people that Taco has (supposedly) won against were women.
It's wild that places like Japan - often described to Westerners as being very male-dominated, etc. - have beat us to having a woman in the highest office. I guess maybe it's possible that we were projecting a little there, hmmmmm?
Well, I suppose a Walz/Cortez instead of Cortez/Walz ticket would be better than nothing.
white geriatric walking dead
All of American Politics for $500, Alex.
Come on, do you really think that though? gender is an issue to be factored in, but considering it the primary factor is a level of cynicism thats effectively bordering on hopelessness. Maybe you earned that cynicism, I get that, being a a real american lefty is hard lately. How about we stand behind someone who inspires? Who seems to care about the issues that affect the constituents? who at least seems to not be one of the bought and paid for AIPAC drones?
But you'd ponder running some asshat zionist like walz or shaprio instead, simply because they have a pecker and no tits? I dont think america is so far gone that they would pass up an inspirational human for a male human. And if we are, then its not worth fighting for anyway. If we are that far gone then its time for all of us to run.
Reminds me of a quote from the green mile movie.
“I’m rightly tired of the pain I hear and feel, boss. I’m tired of bein on the road, lonely as a robin in the rain. Not never havin no buddy to go on with or tell me where we’s comin from or goin to or why. I’m tired of people bein ugly to each other. It feels like pieces of glass in my head. I’m tired of all the times I’ve wanted to help and couldn’t. I’m tired of bein in the dark. Mostly it’s the pain. There’s too much. If I could end it, I would. But I can’t.”
Gotta keep fighting till its time to run, and then keep fighting after that, or we'll be a disappointment to our kids.
I legitimately do.
well. shit. If we cant unite behind a good candidate because we think an asshat consolation candidate must win, I dont know how we win, because the asshat candidates always sell us out in the end. It the DNC way of things.
It’s the human way of things.
DNC or not, even if they were as perfect as you’d like them to be, trying to unite people on the left is like herding cats.
Have you tried having discussions with multiple people on the left? I’ll bet you have, and I’ll bet you’ve been frustrated.
The problem with any of left of centre is that we believe in things and aren’t a flock of sheep. That’s good, but also politically very bad for us.
debateable. We cant grease the wheels of our government with massive amounts of innocent's human blood. If we do that then we dont deserve to exist ourselves.
Unfortunately. zionists support war crimes, and you can depend on them causing more war crimes if they get power. I cant have that. I'd rather the whole system burn down around us, and lots of people think that way. I think people conflating red lines with "not being perfect" is leaning into excusing ourselves of our responsibilities to each other.
Walz is an "asshat consolation candidate"? 🥹
He's a zionist.
Oh. Hunh. Welp... 🤦🏼♂️
yeah. otherwise I do like him a lot.
Are these voters in the room with us right now?
Everyone who's down voting you is in denial
I get it. The truth hurts, especially right now when what we desperately need is hope.
You’re 100% correct but last time the US ran on HOPE they got wedding drone strikes… I don’t have a whole lot of hope for them but maybe they can change that….
Quick edit: anything gives me more hope than the current shit sooooo
Walz has a hell of a lot more chance than aoc. And I really like him. And hes a lot better than most.
Yes, it must be Walz. Dont run a woman against MAGA.
If you even get to 2028, good luck.
Harris was just Biden extended and I think the lack of voter turnout amongst democrats despite the stakes showed what a big disadvantage being a woman is.
The fact 2016 popular vote was close was crazy, but then you have a (half) black woman?
I dunno.
She's one of the best already in the system, but she's nowhere as quick quitted or ready on her feet as Mamdani, and more than that, unless they get the house and a super majority in the senate, it's going to be very hard for her to promise things that will actually come true.
All of that of course has the background where the US might very well not have a 2028 election, especially if they don't have a massive change in power in the 2026 mid terms.
I would love it. I would love a coloured woman in the top position as a direct pendulum swing back from Trump, but I am also pragmatic and I'm not sure the racism wouldn't win over actually having a more progressive platform.
AOC is a contender and the USA needs sane politicians to lead the country.
I’m surprised how many people are so optimistic that there will ever be free and fair elections again in the US. Let alone there being a single democrat out there that can or will do anything good if elected. I’d like to share some optimism, but I just can’t see it.
They about to make the same mistake. Again. We do not want AOC. She is not a strong candidate for many reasons.
An Aoc & Oliver ticket would go so hard but we know DNC would self sabotage that.
While I think AOC would be better in the Senate for at least a term or two, it would take a REALLY good candidate for me to not vote for her in the primary (... if we have voting by then). She gives a shit, she cares, and she understands she can't run the entire government by herself. Although I am still not sure if this country could ever elect a woman to POTUS.
That said... after all the Platner shit (amongst other things), maybe it would benefit everyone if Sanders sat down and stopped talking. His endorsement just makes me wonder if AOC secretly has a fucking anima sola tattoo on her back or some insanity.
About to make the same mistake as before. AOC is a good pick but let’s get real, I know my people. Americans aren’t going to vote for her. Everyone’s looking for an Obama-like candidate and she isn’t it. Michelle Obama has a better chance at winning than AOC
Excellent. I have been telling people she would be a great president, probably will be some day. If they can pull this off the next election already, USA will heal so much for sure.
Don't!
I like her. It's not time.
The Dems learned nothing.
Harris and Clinton have a lot in common and I don't think the fact that they both have vaginas is the most prominent shared reason that they lost their respective elections. I have no doubt that there is a subset of voters who would never vote for a woman but I'm pretty confident most of them are Trump voters anyway.
If a progressive woman similar to AOC loses then I'll concede the point. Until then I believe it's mostly the unpopular status quo platform causing the problem.
They absolutely are. A women has 0 chance of winning the next few election cycles. It's bullshit, but it's reality.
Newsom or Pritzker are our best bets.
What makes people think there will be an election?
Bad idea. Sadly, Americans still care about optics. Americans want someone with a sense of authority and no-nonsense attitude which she doesn’t have. She won’t get voted for even by Democrat voters
I think she's amazing, but we've already seen that Americans don't want a female president yet.
I'd love it, but we need a sure win this time. Not getting a 50 year old white dude will make it harder. We've tried a shitty blonde, an old guy, and a black woman. We need someone who will take votes from the red.
The problem isn't their skin. The problem is their policies and corruption
I think running a candidate who actually offers real solutions to the problems people are facing is more important than fitting a particular demographic.
Each of the last three Dem noms were also centrist neolibs.
Yes but centrist neolib would be a massive improvement right now. You have idiotic fascist, the few smart ones sleep with Julius evola under their pillow. Somehow they also have "christians".
They can unite all kinds of weirdos and the left is divided over too many things.
The point is that they'll keep losing because you don't excite people by saying "we'll make sure things don't get much worse."
We tried a corrupt neoliberal, a feeble neoliberal, and a sleazy neoliberal. I suspect they all had something in common that was very offputting to the entire populace. If only we could figure out what that was and not repeat it.
We need to return the what produced the greatest electoral win and won us the largest majority in recent times: a black man with a Muslim name.
It's like people forget Obama even existed when running through this "must appease the bigots" formulation.
The US was less racist and divided in 2008.
Fuck off, racist.
Because it worked out so well the last two times the democrats tried to elect a female president.
Clinton lost to Trump.
Harris lost to Trump.
So what chance would AOC have against a more qualified republican candidate? And I say that with the assumption than anyone who isn't a Trump is by default, a more qualified candidate.
Conservatives will beat a woman every time. I love AOC, but for the love of God do they want to win?
America is still too sexist.
Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. She only lost because of the electoral college, which is an antiquated concept that needs to go away.
Kamala Harris lost because she was a terrible candidate who was shoehorned in at the last second after it became apparent that Joe Biden was unfit to run for a second term. The Democrats and media lied about Biden for so long that it was too late to hold a proper primary. And by then, enough people were so upset that they just didn't show up to vote, especially since the media kept telling everybody she was going to win for sure.
Unfortunately, winning the popular vote doesn’t really count for anything, as broken as it is, the EC is here to stay.
True, but my point was that the reason Hillary Clinton lost wasn't sexism, it was the electoral college.
I will add that broken systems need to be acknowledged or we will definitely be stuck with them forever.
Maybe by 2276 the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact will finally get enough buy in to render the EC obsolete.
Oops didnt mean to!
100%.
Hilarious..US vote a minority AND a woman?
So the democrats are throwing the election again?
AOC is my favorite US politician, but let's be real, America is far too sexist and racist for a woman of color to be elected.
Why not Walz? I want him as pres.
Hrm...
Guess yall love having Dumpy as pres. Have fun with that!
Idiots. This is why the fascists keep winning. You will not get a woman as president in this country, especially not one as "radical" as AOC. Suck it up and try to get someone who isn't Hitler 2.0.
Ew, reddit is leaking again. 🤮🖕🏼
Does she take aipac money?
There must be something bad about her... But I don't see anything, I'm in boys! A.O.C.!
Fucking great question. With 77% of dems currently agreeing that Isreal is committing genocide, the wrong answer to this question is going to be disqualifying for a lot of constituents.
No. https://www.trackaipac.com/states/newyork?rq=cortez
Still convinced voting changes anything are you pathetic.
If voting didn't matter, the fascists wouldn't put so much effort into taking voting rights away from people.
Your statement is bad and you should feel bad.
Explain to me again how voting has ever prevented a fascist?
You are part of the problem
Yes you're right Democrats are in office rich get richer Republicans in office rich get richer. /S such changes.
The US is inches from becoming a fascist hellscape and yall are worried about a tiny country on the opposite side of the world. Fuck Israel, and fuck Palestine too.
"stop mentioning the genocide >:( "
Hey fuck you. Don't tell me how to vote. Also you have just committed a hate crime.
As a fucked up two-party system, the US cant really have female presidents. The candidate needs to round up new voters while retaining the old voters. A female candidate is sure to lose a lot of votes, just because she's female and way too many idiots are uncomfortable with a woman in charge of something.
While I'd love to see AOC as president, I think the democrats badly need to find a male to take the role as candidate.
That would be a insta win … for republicans.
We should run Mamdani in 2028. And before anyone tries to "umm actually" the idea, Mamdani can run for president using the exact same loopholes that Trump intends to use for run for a third term.
I love AOC, but America is too misogynist to elect a woman.
I think AOC is perceived as a brat by most of the right and it is thus unlikely she could win. I'd love for her to win, but it won't be her.
Too far left.
Zionist endorses zionist.
AOC supports Israel. We cannot have pro-Israel candidates. If AOC is the candidate, I'm not voting for her.
Yes let's split the left some more 👍
That's what leftists want. There is zero unity on the left. I get mobbed on here for saying I'll vote as far left as I can before I'm forced to vote centrist. It's a reality. We've faced that reality three cycles in a row now. The right has nothing but unity. I'll vote for a leftist female as far as I can. Will the rest of the left?
Artificial dichotomies are unfortunately a consequence of the voting system. Would you consider voting for her if the Republican rival was just as pro-Israel or more? Or slightly more pro-Palestine but very much against you in many other issues?
I have had this discussion many times. They do not seem to understand that not voting for Dems because of Israel just enables Bibi's buddy who is currently tearing down the White House.
Grow the fuck up, you're not a child anymore
There's exactly 0 politicians opposing Israel in all of USA. Which one do you think should run for president?
Look what not voting has done you stupid fucking ingrain.
Go throw yourself in the line of fire, it will literally do less damage to all the people that the Nazi pigstate is doing to America right now.
Holy fucking shit you people are so pathetically useless.
There's so many of them on Lemmy it's wild. These little fucks better get out and vote for the Democrat whether it's a centrist or not. The alternative is GOP. I seriously don't get what they don't get.
He needs to fuck off like Clinton, Pelosi, and the rest of them.
Bernie isn't perfect but he's 100x the human being you'll ever be. Sit down.
Bernie is a class traitor.
And what exactly have you ever done for the working class!?
Like the other guy said, sit down. I'll add, shut up.
For starters protesting for several years to ensure those living with HIV/AIDS had access to medication, demanding government research while people like Reagan and Fauci did nothing as we died. Then went on to protest for the Ryan White Act which proved free HIV medication, counseling, housing, etc for people living with HIV/AIDS. Protested for gay rights in Texas which resulted in Lawrence v Texas. Protesting oil and energy companies for environmental damage, protesting for the rights of Palestinians against US oligarchs that caused their slaughter.
You know real protest stuff and not these echo chamber parades liberals have.
https://sandersinstitute.org/event/bernie-sanders-arrest-at-chicago-civil-rights-protest
https://www.politico.com/story/2012/05/sanders-floats-plan-to-make-hiv-drugs-less-costly-076300
https://youtu.be/MAFlQ6fU4GM?t=155
https://www.vox.com/2015/7/7/8905905/sanders-drugs-gay-rights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifxBt2Tnh5E
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/17/bernie-sanders-israel-gaza-genocide
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Your ire is so misplaced!
He then goes on to support a system that created those problems.
How so?
He continues to actively defend a man with a 20 year old nazi tattoo on his chest
E'rybody would benefit from Sanders shutting the fuck up and passing the torch.
Just about 20 years too late.
Ahh, another Democrat establishment Bot here to smear the first real progressive candidate Maine has ever seen! Chuck Shumer thanks you for your service.
The guy went on 4 combat tours, including one as a PMC for Blackwater, and wants to pay soldiers better for their service to Western imperialism. The bar for progressives is so laughably low in the US, it's tragic. Need I remind you that Hitler and Mussolini also appropriated some vague socialist talking points before taking power?
I think platner goes far beyond the bar just being low.
I personally haven't verified it, but colleagues out in Maine have insisted that Smith-Rodriguez is basically the exact same thing as platner on paper (military veteran, demsoc platform, many of the same positions on issues) but with actual policy details and plans rather than just vibes and speeches. And... she was basically a laughing stock. Maybe it is that she didn't have a big ol' nazi skull on her chest or hadn't served with Blackwater. Maybe it is that she is a woman. Maybe it is that whatever orgs are backing this complete nobody didn't like her. But she flopped and has since endorsed the "kinda shitty" mayor (?), mostly on the grounds that she can't support someone who has consistently hand-waived sexual assault as she is a victim of it from her time in the military.
But that is what fucking terrifies me. Because this isn't a case of "Look... nobody is perfect but class politics above all" because... there was literally an option with the same politics. And Sanders I just assume is on whatever bullshit he was when he was backing fetterman. Homie has a LONG history of bad decisions on that front. But we also have basically all of breadtube and the left leaning podcast sphere supporting this nazi mercenary. And a LOT of establishment Democrats are on his side too (although they seem a lot faster to try to distance themselves from baby skorzeny...)
This is Democrats ACTIVELY backing someone who... best case scenario might be another fetterman. And.... I am seeing a LOT of parallels to trump 2016.
At best? It is yet another case of the DNC gladly throwing women and people of color under the bus with the expectation that we'll keep voting Blue because we have no choice (see also: all the attempts to glom liz fucking cheney onto Kamala). But this is really feeling like they listened to all of us who explained that we need another 2004 DNC Keynote moment to build up new candidates... and decided they wanted their own trump instead.