What on earth makes people think this is a desirable look? It’s grotesque. Like literally, in the classical art meaning, grotesque. Like living gargoyles. And many of them were actually beautiful before this butchery.
Soft-tissue cosmetic surgery doesn't last. They're foreign objects in the body, so over time your body tries to break them down. Lip filler slowly diffuses around the bottom of your face, for example. Botox paralysing muscles affects strength and elasticity.
So it's a cursed treadmill. You can't stop getting surgery once you start. A single surgery will look worse than your unaltered face if you only have one, so every few years you have to get it again.
But.. all the old stuff is still in there. The muscle damage accumulates. The filler accumulates, and is impossible to remove. You might remove some of your own tissue to 'reshape' as it gets more advanced, but many just 'top up'.
Either way, you are permanently altered. They don't choose to look like this, they choose to make minor adjustments to look younger/hotter/etc that slowly turn them into this.
These big changes often are, though. You may regret it and get it removed, but you’re going to age far worse in any case.
There’s a whole movement right now of these people getting their surgery reversed, but in many cases the long-term damage has been done and you will age worse than if you hadn’t done it. You have scar tissue that will age differently, no matter how minor and no matter what you do.
It’s really sad, because these people are making themselves look worse now and they’ll also age worse, and they’ll likely hate that, then spend thousands more in that cycle, like you said.
As in, the desired results arent permanent. I'll edit to rephrase.
Yet the big changes typically aren't the cosmetic surgery, they're the damage. Either literally, or an attempt to treat it.
They might remove some cheek fat, but even that is them trying to catch up: because degraded filler makes their face look puffy and their lips ill-defined.
The filler is spread put around their cells regardless. It is impossible to remove. As is any muscular damage from long-term paralysis.
And yes, agreed. Reconstructive plastic surgery has lower risk, but when it comes to soft tissue cosmetic surgery, the only winning move is not to play.
I wish there were laws against this quackery, because it’s literally unscrupulous ‘doctors’ taking advantage of women who have been conditioned to believe they’re inferior, and especially by these doctors.
‘You could be pretty if’ [you lifted your cheeks, sculpted your nose, etc]. You’re like 90% there! [Draws lines on face in sharpie, so they’ll be there for 2 days, reminding you of everything he said was wrong every time you look in a mirror]. Just this quick thing and you’ll be perfect!
It’s abominable and should mean revocation of their licence to practice.
I've known a number of people at the bottom end of the economic spectrum who have gone in for shit like this. This is what they save up for and spend their money on, at the expense of having a house and a viable retirement and taking care of their children etc. etc.
I'm starting to think cosmetic surgery shouldn't be allowed unless it's for a medical purpose like restructuring someone's face after being assaulted or something.
Purely cosmetic surgery seems like it's simply immoral doctors preying on insecure women.
Eh...I'd want a lot more effort spent to ensure patients are given 100% accurate, fully informed information re: outcomes and upkeep, and give consent only after seriously weighing that, but I dunno about banning purely cosmetic surgery.
A) I like the idea that humans have the freedom to modify their own bodies in whatever ways they see fit, so long as they accept the risks and realistic outcomes, and B) Banning would just create more underground practices, which is particularly bad for patient safety.
I'd go more mentally competent. Are you capable of understanding the risks and what the end state actually is? You've had some time after the doctor has demonstrably given you the whole set of information to make an informed decision? You still want to move forward? K, here's a surgery date.
Might just be me, but mental stability has some slippery connotations (thinking about the history of the term hysteria, different forms of social stigma turned into pathology, etc.) But we could very well be talking about the same thing using a different word.
I think mandatory warnings and better transparency should be enough. It's none of our business if someone wants to change their appearance, given that they're fully aware of the consequences.
And in this political climate, the government would deem transition surgeries to be "cosmetic" and "medically unnecessary".
A lot of the technical advancements in plastic surgery came about during and after WWI because of all the facial reconstruction of horribly wounded soldiers that had to be done. In that context, of course, it's a great thing, but it's a horror what it's turned into.
the botox prevents muscle movement, so the muscles atrophy and cause sagging so now they have to get more. anyone watches ISAIP, rob and kaitlyn went overboard on this too, now even thier hardcore fans are clowning how fake they are.
To be fair, there are people who get things done and you’d only know with a before and after. But when it goes wrong or gone too far, it’s awful. There are plenty of success stories that are invisible to the average person in passing
I think that's kind of their point. It's done so well so often, why do these people always get the ugly stick version? They can't all be using the same (bad) surgeon.
That’s the thing – this ‘aesthetic’ they’re chasing is the ugly stick version, and I strongly feel it’s because nobody in their bubble are willing to tell them they look like fucking homunculi. They pay people to tell them they’re gorgeous no matter what.
I interacted with a lot of, uh, private school moms growing up, and breast implants (even when they were impractical or bad looking) were definitely a social expectation. There was some plastic surgery too. Many were aware, but it’s like a ticket for entry.
These people are way above that level (including Laura Loomer who is a mega rich celebrity), so I bet it’s just more extreme.
Yes, this. I’ve seen some absolutely fantastic work, especially in rebuilding faces that have been damaged. It’s like some quacks have license to do their worst, and in an Emperor’s New Clothes situation, nobody wants to say how godawful their work is. Perhaps it’s the sunk cost fallacy, but someone does this and we’re not supposed to call it out as butchery for whatever reason, then it multiplies.
kimberly has the worst one right now, and noem, goatkiller kristi is halfway there. lara trump is probably relieved that trump never "thirsted" for her.
Maybe it's the fact that I am basically a couple generations removed from my kin being old money, but I think I'd rather just have a pair of pearl handled navy revolvers on the mantle instead. Combine that with tailored clothes and a butcher on call, maybe have a personal shooting range with access to what is effectively a personal hunting reserve.
its called mara-lago face, on reddit with the same post, people said they are this way to attract conservative men, to whatever platform they are on, they are very shallow people.
Fair enough, wonder why there is the difference though since even a lot of younger members of old money families seem to pull the same shit. My only guess is that it's connected to the concept of noble obligations that being that with wealth came responsibility, it's the best guess I have since a lot of American old money pulls from old European aristocrats to some degree.
Mind you this is mostly based off of my observation of how long my kin held wealth vs how they held themselves. The ones who couldve been called new money blew it all within a couple generations, the ones who had the oldest lineage of nobility at worst lost and rebuilt it within a generation. Probably a side effect of chasing glory and honor vs building up wealth as a number, also probably helps to have a thousand tales of your ancestors fucking up to pull wisdom from.
I've read this. Getting heavy work done shows how rich you are. Who wants plastic surgery that you have to tell people you had and how much disposable income you spent on it?
This is one of those “I’m explaining, not justifying” moments. Having said that: I think these threads give us a skewed view of the whole situation, leading to a completely unresolvable “whyyy???” Reaction.
The thing that made these people do something was probably some typical aging flaw like wrinkles or sagging skin. We don’t see that in the photos.
What we do see in the photos is:
a “before” photo that’s probably 10-15 years old, showing the person when they were young. We think “what was wrong with that???” But you have to age them 15 years to answer that question.
an “after” photo that’s as unflattering as possible. We all know that from one photo to the next, a person can look more or less photogenic depending on lighting, their expression, etc. Photos in a post like this are hyperselected for unattractiveness, especially of their surgery.
I believe in aging realistically but I’m also a man and my career isn’t bound up in the entertainment industry where my appearance is literally everything.
So given all this, I can still have a distaste for cosmetic surgery and shake my head at people doing it, but I don’t QUITE have total bewilderment over why WHY WWWHHHYYY??? because I can mainly see how the post is manipulated to produce that reaction, and I opt out of that manipulation.
Yes, the "why?" part, at least the beginnings of it are the more clear part. It still is intriguing the rabbit hole some of these people have gone into, and educational how money can't buy it all.
This is all my own opinion and observations. Feel free to disagree:
Rich people are like all of us. They constantly feel this absence that they can't quite fill with material things, no matter how hard they try. They just have a lot of money to try more and more of those things. It's like compulsive gambling. The next spin will be the jackpot, I just know it!
The problem is they have too much money and don't know when/how to enjoy what they already have. Eventually, the dopamine they get from new and shinny things wears thin and they need to find more or something new to get it again.
Why do you think their current objectives are aimed at dismantling society and regression to earlier eras? They've gotten to a point where nothing makes them happy so they think society is the reason. They also want regression because many of them have fond memories of their childhood and associate the time period with those pleasant feelings.
Unfortunately, the problem is in their head. We're all just along for the ride. Even if they are successful at tearing down society, and even if they somehow come out of that time on top, it won't last. Then they'll die having destroyed the planet and countless lives chasing a fictitious world comprised entirely of a fleeting hormone in their brain.
People on their deathbeds often cite similar regrets of focusing on shit that doesn't matter, while letting the things that do matter wither away. It's why I don't like to participate in a lot of the same things, at 40, that my peers do, and why I never have. I enjoy the journey and don't feel there was ever a destination. It's why the attitudes of some with power upset me. I don't want to be a part or their sickness, yet like most of you, I have no choice.
They are actually lizard people slowly reverting to their true forms. I heard Guilfoyle is even completely covered in scales from cloaca to sternum. Lots of people are saying it.
Not as far fetched as you'd think. If you were an alien trying to sort of pass as human whilst implementing a military dictatorship what would you do differently?
I legit had a conversation with a MAGA who was telling me the Star Trek universe was awesome and we should try to do that, and when I pointed out it was literally space communism he visibly bluescreened. I wish I’d recorded it.
On a superficial level, what you have is a military vessel captained by a white human male that goes around saving the poor savage primitive and less enlightened cultures. The captain even basically does whatever he wants, and any force he uses is accepted, if not outright lauded. That’s basically everything white nationalists dream of.
And it doesn’t help that some of the aggressor cultures like the Klingons have darker skin and are shown (again, from a superficial viewpoint) as unreasonably violent with a culture that espouses it.
Remember, these are the same geniuses that think Starship Troopers wasn’t a biting parody and that Rage Against The Machine was espousing far right ideals. Media literacy and paying attention to anything more than superficial stuff is not really their forte.
It's oddly appropriate to see Miller dressed as a Trekkie and looking mighty unhappy about that fact. I can't decide whether it's because he's cosplaying a "filthy space commie", because he's expected to act as a decent older role model or it's because his resting bitch-face just is like that, but hey... It's not like any of those explanations are mutually exclusive.
these are people who say you can't have gender affirming care and you must give birth to your rapist's baby because you should accept whatever god gave you. meanwhile they're like "fuck this face you gave me, god, i can't make money with this I'll have some doctors fix your shit for me"
"You should be happy with gods graces, unless you are republican and need to make yourself look like a toy some child melted with a magnifying glass to appease your one true orange god"
This but unironically. I have no prrof but I'm convinced the GOP attracts a certain type of women. As soon as they get some of that promised moolah, the plastic surgery starts.
its called the mara-a-lago face. right wing talking heads have to look increasingly like "male gaze" females, in order to be in positions like a fox talking head, or trumps inner circle. conservative voters dont like to see old bats.
If the "male gaze" is attracted to plastic duck lips and sunken eye sockets shaded in expensive bat shit, with foreheads like a full bag of curdled milk...
It's sad to see people mocking these poor women. They obviously have a lot going on and are just terrified. That's why they're doing all they can to make themselves look as un-couchlike as possible.
It is. KimG was aging pretty well and in the before pic has good cosmetic work done. Then the pivot to the ghoulish look, it honestly all reminds me of a twilight zone episode.
The conspicuity is the point. It's like any other body modification; it connotes social class/rank. The same way a prison tattoo let's people know what you're about, this type of plastic surgery let's people know what you're about. It's not intended to be convincing or subtle. It's to set them apart from the steerage class.
For the same reason that the "Real Housewives of 'X' or 'Y' do it". Because it's a visible affirmation to themselves of how rich they are. The fact that they can afford to "stay young and beautiful" is something that they are better than us peasants for.
MAGA, following the lead of Trump, have a very very gaudy idea of what it means to be "rich". It's all gold plated everything and showing your wealth as obviously as possible in every possible situation. Someone once said that Trump is "a poor man's idea of what a rich man looks like". And that's pretty accurate. To Trump and his MAGA followers, wealth is to be flaunted as a show of power.
I wonder how much of their actions are justified internally by their hatred of how they look now
there's just no way that they think that they look good. like, most people, even conventionally unattractive ones, if they are happy good people they probably think they look okay. and they probably do.
none of these people look okay after that work, and nowhere close to attractive.
maybe they're just shitty people to begin with, but I do wonder how much of what they do is because they're unhappy with their appearance now and they just kind of take it out on everybody.
She's the only one that looks arguably better with the surgery, but even then its borderline.
Post surgery she always looks agitated.. like her facial muscles have been cut/stretched and left in this permanent frozen scowl. Even when she's smiling she's furrowing her brows.
Surely they can see the malformations? Perhaps they convince themselves that its beauty, in the same way they see greatness and and worship a child rapist.
I knew a woman years ago who was probably the prettiest woman I've ever seen in person. The only things about her that could even be mildly considered "flaws" were a slight bump on the bridge of her nose (which I thought only enhanced her beauty) and b-cup breasts (and I actually prefer smaller breasts, like millions of men do). However these two "flaws" drove her insane and she got plastic surgery and breast implants after saving up tens of thousands of dollars to pay for it (she was not rich by any means).
The first time I saw her after she healed up, I literally started in horror. She not only had the nose bump scraped, she got her nose entirely reformed into a little button, comically large cheek and chin implants, and the bee-sting lips which were already collapsing and asymmetrical. The D-cup implants were just absurd and probably looked similarly horrific naked. Apparently she had also gotten liposuction for no reason. And for the icing on the cake she had gotten eyeshadow tattoos, a hideous dark purple.
She went from being a beautiful, fit 33-year-old to pretty much a monster. I can't even imagine what she looks like now 15 years later. But according to our mutual friends she thought all the surgeries were a fantastic success and she was incredibly happy.
The western worlds societies really do maintain pressure on women to have disproportionate negative views of their faces and bodies. A LOT coming from the wider industries around women from magazines, salons and media includng social.
You know how the saying goes "Horrible stupid people flock together and support even the worst human traits just to get a taste of being a horrible waste of life"
It's fucking psychosis. Yes, they are vain. But they are also in denial. Does anyone actually think that this looks better? If I want to look the best I can, if I'm absolutely obsessed with it enough to get surgery to do so, I am staying far away from whatever the fuck this is because it just looks fucked up. It makes zero sense.
I found out the other day this is being referred to as Mar-a-Lago face. Search it up if you like; I don't want to link to any news rags (Independent, Huffpo, etc), who are the only ones writing about it.
And it still doesn't fucking work even after decades of this shit. People's faces keep on sagging and collapsing afterwards, even faster than otherwise because of all the tissue trauma. If they look good at all, it's for just a brief moment in time after months of healing and before the decay resumes.
Whether it’s actually the concentrated evil turning them ugly, or the evil they do that makes the money they use to pay for the plastic surgery, does it matter?
I'm also a bimbo, and I've decided that if I get plastic surgery, it'll be only for me and nobody else. I ask myself if I'd still want x surgery even if nobody else would ever see me again. Not that I'll probably ever have the money for surgery, but I think it's a good way to test whether surgery is the right option. I'm all for body modification if it's for self-expression.
Hey I’m curious, what’s your definition of bimbo? I always thought it was like dumb but beautiful, the latter often done artificially via makeup, clothing, and beyond.
But neither of you seem dumb, so just looking for an update on the lingo.
I think when women self identify as "bimbos" these days they're usually referring to the purposeful reclamation of hyper feminine aesthetics, interests, and behaviors and not so much the original pejorative. It's an aesthetic choice. The aesthetic is frequently referred to as "bimbocore" Examples would include lots of pink, heavy makeup, heels, false lashes, bleach blonde hair, etc. It's sort of a subversion of patriarchal beauty standards since the intent is self expression and not conformity.
So honest question why do women do this to themselves. These are not the only ones. And do anyone actually find them attractive? I know I don't I don't even know if their the same species.
Self esteem issues, a very warped view of their bodies, pressure from their environment, partners, coworkers, ... There is a long list of things that can make people disfigure themselves. What I really wonder is how a doctor who did this is still allowed to continue their work
I'll say what I said on another thread about this: They’re copying the “eccentric gajillion-dollar empire heiress” look. Getting excessive amounts of plastic surgery to show off their “fuck you money” is a time-old tradition.
Hey, I don’t like them, but body dysphoria comes in different shapes and sizes. As long as they don’t hurt others(as in, no people getting hurt related to their surgery) who am I to judge.
like sure we can't prove that people are getting hurt because of their surgery, but we sure as hell can prove that people are getting hurt and that the people causing that hurt have had this surgery.
there is definitely a correlation there. and that should be investigated.
body shaming is pretty shitty behavior, maybe don’t sink to their level
if anything point out the hypocrisy of them endorsing gender affirming elective surgery but denying it to others based on arbitrary criteria usually based in religious and antiscientific beliefs
But being like “hurr look at how fucking ugly this plastic faced woman is” is just as misogynistic as when right wing media plasters a bunch of pictures of alt women and rag on their appearance or tears apart images of trans women.
...But I think many people are sick of playing 'fair' while schoolyard bully insults of trans women (for instance) rake in millions of dollars and tons of ratings.
In the larger social media landscape? Principles don't work. Algorithms are just going to suppress being polite.
I say spit fire back. If being a shithead is all that trends, mind as well make the enablers miserable. And hopefully the whole ragebait system falls apart, soon...
Nobody is shaming the bodies they were born with, but when you deliberately carve, stitch and inflate your face into something that would make any child spontaneously scream in abject fear and break down in tears of terror, you can't reasonably expect it to pass unremarked upon.
It doesn't have anything to do with gender either. It's no different when men do the same.
Literal anti trans rhetoric if you delivered it slightly differently
Like jump on kiwi farms and your post would fit right in word for word in any of the trans hate threads. You are right there with their vitriol, you just change the target.
100%. Here is a game, pick your hateful vitriol out from random quotes I literally just pulled from kiwi farms just now, only changing to censure the names of victims and outright slurs
“when you deliberately carve, stitch and inflate your face into something that would make any child spontaneously scream in abject fear and break down in tears of terror, you can't reasonably expect it to pass unremarked upon.”
“Seriously, that surgery made [x] look like he belonged in an extraterrestrial lock up somewhere for study.”
“Back in February of this year, [x] was feelin' her oats something fierce when she posted body shots of her horrible, horrible body. Now because we've moved too far from God's light, she's really serving the "rot" in rotdog, and you're all going to have to look at it with me”
“After thousands of dollars and hours of surgery, a [slur] is finally satisfied with her physique... for now. To anybody normal, however, it truly displays just how limited modern medicine still is, because she has the kind of dumpy, stitched-up body of a mother who gave birth to twins via C-Section in the 1970s.”
Tell me how yours is different. Honestly. Aside from the fact that the person you’re targeting is a mean bully
Obviously I don’t believe @[email protected] is anti trans. That is why I said “if you worded it a bit different”. The point is the rhetoric is the same. If said poster said the exact same thing directed at a transgender person would it be anti trans then? Of fucking course? Horrifically so?
Thus one comment down in the chain their rhetoric fits right in with kiwifarms bullshit. You act like a schoolyard bully picking on peoples insecurities you’ll fit right in with gross shitheads, even if your “intentions are good” (whatever that means)
Pointing out the hypocrisy does fuck all, they know they’re fucking hypocrites and they will do and say anything for themselves. I’m going to stick with body shaming these pieces of shit cos mirroring their shitty behavior back on them has been the one thing I’ve noticed that shuts magats the fuck up. All you’re doing is appeasing them and doing what they want you to do to bait you into some bullshit “debate”
Hate the post all you want but classic neolib behavior. “You’re my friend when you’re on my team but then when you’re against me the internalized homophobia, racism, sexism, transphobia, fatphobia, etc I’ve been suppressing will come right out and I’ll go right back to call of duty lobby language”
My horse is extremely low. Call them a piece of shit if you want. Call them transphobic monsters, call them callous enablers of genocide, etc
But if you engage in body shaming because you don’t agree with them, or if you mock their ethnicity, gender, orientation, etc I assume you are no better than them. You are ultimately just waiting to take the mask off to reveal your phobic behavior and inner bully
Well, as a queer who has been called many things many times by magats who want me dead since Trump got re-elected, I don’t really give a fuck about them in any way anymore and I’m not going to be a welcoming person to someone who wants me dead. They can suck my glock
What did you think about Mike Tyson’s face tattoo? Would you judge someone with 5 lip rings, 2 eyebrow rings, and their nose stretched on both sides?
I judge people based on how they act, and nothing more. You should try it sometime.
Personal choices like elective surgery make you vulnerable to ridicule.
Only deeply flawed/insecure people go out of their way to ridicule anyone (especially going so far out of your way to collect photos of them to post on the Internet for the explicit purpose of mockery) based on personal choices they make about their own appearance.
Don't try to rationalize this infantile behavior, who do you think you're kidding, pretending you're justified in the least for this?
I'm not American so I hadn't heard of Kristi Noem before the last episode. But seeing this post, they were spot on
What on earth makes people think this is a desirable look? It’s grotesque. Like literally, in the classical art meaning, grotesque. Like living gargoyles. And many of them were actually beautiful before this butchery.
It's largely incidental.
Soft-tissue cosmetic surgery doesn't last. They're foreign objects in the body, so over time your body tries to break them down. Lip filler slowly diffuses around the bottom of your face, for example. Botox paralysing muscles affects strength and elasticity.
So it's a cursed treadmill. You can't stop getting surgery once you start. A single surgery will look worse than your unaltered face if you only have one, so every few years you have to get it again.
But.. all the old stuff is still in there. The muscle damage accumulates. The filler accumulates, and is impossible to remove. You might remove some of your own tissue to 'reshape' as it gets more advanced, but many just 'top up'.
Either way, you are permanently altered. They don't choose to look like this, they choose to make minor adjustments to look younger/hotter/etc that slowly turn them into this.
These big changes often are, though. You may regret it and get it removed, but you’re going to age far worse in any case.
There’s a whole movement right now of these people getting their surgery reversed, but in many cases the long-term damage has been done and you will age worse than if you hadn’t done it. You have scar tissue that will age differently, no matter how minor and no matter what you do.
It’s really sad, because these people are making themselves look worse now and they’ll also age worse, and they’ll likely hate that, then spend thousands more in that cycle, like you said.
As in, the desired results arent permanent. I'll edit to rephrase.
Yet the big changes typically aren't the cosmetic surgery, they're the damage. Either literally, or an attempt to treat it.
They might remove some cheek fat, but even that is them trying to catch up: because degraded filler makes their face look puffy and their lips ill-defined.
The filler is spread put around their cells regardless. It is impossible to remove. As is any muscular damage from long-term paralysis.
And yes, agreed. Reconstructive plastic surgery has lower risk, but when it comes to soft tissue cosmetic surgery, the only winning move is not to play.
I wish there were laws against this quackery, because it’s literally unscrupulous ‘doctors’ taking advantage of women who have been conditioned to believe they’re inferior, and especially by these doctors.
‘You could be pretty if’ [you lifted your cheeks, sculpted your nose, etc]. You’re like 90% there! [Draws lines on face in sharpie, so they’ll be there for 2 days, reminding you of everything he said was wrong every time you look in a mirror]. Just this quick thing and you’ll be perfect!
It’s abominable and should mean revocation of their licence to practice.
Gender affirming surgery laws?
You’re clearly not serious.
No. Quite obviously, because even you can see how intent, plus many more indicators, matters.
Try writing that law.
i feel like the movement is very niche and limited to rich people
I've known a number of people at the bottom end of the economic spectrum who have gone in for shit like this. This is what they save up for and spend their money on, at the expense of having a house and a viable retirement and taking care of their children etc. etc.
Unfortunately, you can find back-alley fillers and implants for cheap if you know where to look.
I'm starting to think cosmetic surgery shouldn't be allowed unless it's for a medical purpose like restructuring someone's face after being assaulted or something.
Purely cosmetic surgery seems like it's simply immoral doctors preying on insecure women.
Eh...I'd want a lot more effort spent to ensure patients are given 100% accurate, fully informed information re: outcomes and upkeep, and give consent only after seriously weighing that, but I dunno about banning purely cosmetic surgery.
A) I like the idea that humans have the freedom to modify their own bodies in whatever ways they see fit, so long as they accept the risks and realistic outcomes, and B) Banning would just create more underground practices, which is particularly bad for patient safety.
...being deemed mentally stable.
I'd go more mentally competent. Are you capable of understanding the risks and what the end state actually is? You've had some time after the doctor has demonstrably given you the whole set of information to make an informed decision? You still want to move forward? K, here's a surgery date.
Might just be me, but mental stability has some slippery connotations (thinking about the history of the term hysteria, different forms of social stigma turned into pathology, etc.) But we could very well be talking about the same thing using a different word.
I think mandatory warnings and better transparency should be enough. It's none of our business if someone wants to change their appearance, given that they're fully aware of the consequences.
And in this political climate, the government would deem transition surgeries to be "cosmetic" and "medically unnecessary".
A lot of the technical advancements in plastic surgery came about during and after WWI because of all the facial reconstruction of horribly wounded soldiers that had to be done. In that context, of course, it's a great thing, but it's a horror what it's turned into.
The same can be said for tattoos and piercings.
the botox prevents muscle movement, so the muscles atrophy and cause sagging so now they have to get more. anyone watches ISAIP, rob and kaitlyn went overboard on this too, now even thier hardcore fans are clowning how fake they are.
To be fair, there are people who get things done and you’d only know with a before and after. But when it goes wrong or gone too far, it’s awful. There are plenty of success stories that are invisible to the average person in passing
I think that's kind of their point. It's done so well so often, why do these people always get the ugly stick version? They can't all be using the same (bad) surgeon.
I think it's just taking it too far.
That, and chasing a certain 'aesthetic' the ultra wealthy like I guess (giant lips in particular).
This is what I don't understand about it. There's a good way to do that. DSL are a thing, but these examples are just bad plastic surgery.
I think it's a style, uh, very rich people like? Go look up Lauren Sanchez (Jeff Bezos's new wife), or the top luxury influencers on Instagram.
she look more like lizard with a permanent sfixed smile.
That’s the thing – this ‘aesthetic’ they’re chasing is the ugly stick version, and I strongly feel it’s because nobody in their bubble are willing to tell them they look like fucking homunculi. They pay people to tell them they’re gorgeous no matter what.
Actually I think there’s a lot of awareness?
I interacted with a lot of, uh, private school moms growing up, and breast implants (even when they were impractical or bad looking) were definitely a social expectation. There was some plastic surgery too. Many were aware, but it’s like a ticket for entry.
These people are way above that level (including Laura Loomer who is a mega rich celebrity), so I bet it’s just more extreme.
I was the kid of one of those moms in the late seventies. I think ‘awareness’ was very relative.
I think you’re right, anyhow.
Yes, this. I’ve seen some absolutely fantastic work, especially in rebuilding faces that have been damaged. It’s like some quacks have license to do their worst, and in an Emperor’s New Clothes situation, nobody wants to say how godawful their work is. Perhaps it’s the sunk cost fallacy, but someone does this and we’re not supposed to call it out as butchery for whatever reason, then it multiplies.
I'm not sure the doctors know. They see so much that it's beginning to look normal to them.
I mean…
Come on.
she looks like the saw puppet
I saw a doctor reality show for these procedures once, they didn't seem to know.
They make stupid amounts of money you’ll never see to ‘not know’.
Do you really think they don’t know, when that’s their whole job?
No, they’re lying to you.
kimberly has the worst one right now, and noem, goatkiller kristi is halfway there. lara trump is probably relieved that trump never "thirsted" for her.
If you have a lot of money you can get a lot of plastic surgery
It’s just like buying a big house or a bunch of expensive cars or a private trip to child rapist island: a status symbol
Sure, but one would think you’d want to look good, not like an Easter Island head.
Not really. Then you just look like a poor. This way people know you’re rich.
As an historic example, consider artificial cranial deformation
Maybe it's the fact that I am basically a couple generations removed from my kin being old money, but I think I'd rather just have a pair of pearl handled navy revolvers on the mantle instead. Combine that with tailored clothes and a butcher on call, maybe have a personal shooting range with access to what is effectively a personal hunting reserve.
That’s actual old money, building sometime that lasts. These people are new money and are flashy with it instead of buying appreciating assets
its called mara-lago face, on reddit with the same post, people said they are this way to attract conservative men, to whatever platform they are on, they are very shallow people.
Fair enough, wonder why there is the difference though since even a lot of younger members of old money families seem to pull the same shit. My only guess is that it's connected to the concept of noble obligations that being that with wealth came responsibility, it's the best guess I have since a lot of American old money pulls from old European aristocrats to some degree.
Mind you this is mostly based off of my observation of how long my kin held wealth vs how they held themselves. The ones who couldve been called new money blew it all within a couple generations, the ones who had the oldest lineage of nobility at worst lost and rebuilt it within a generation. Probably a side effect of chasing glory and honor vs building up wealth as a number, also probably helps to have a thousand tales of your ancestors fucking up to pull wisdom from.
I've read this. Getting heavy work done shows how rich you are. Who wants plastic surgery that you have to tell people you had and how much disposable income you spent on it?
they have to keep getting it, because the olds where off, your face sags, or deforms, so you have do more procedures to fix it.
This is one of those “I’m explaining, not justifying” moments. Having said that: I think these threads give us a skewed view of the whole situation, leading to a completely unresolvable “whyyy???” Reaction.
The thing that made these people do something was probably some typical aging flaw like wrinkles or sagging skin. We don’t see that in the photos.
What we do see in the photos is:
a “before” photo that’s probably 10-15 years old, showing the person when they were young. We think “what was wrong with that???” But you have to age them 15 years to answer that question.
an “after” photo that’s as unflattering as possible. We all know that from one photo to the next, a person can look more or less photogenic depending on lighting, their expression, etc. Photos in a post like this are hyperselected for unattractiveness, especially of their surgery.
I believe in aging realistically but I’m also a man and my career isn’t bound up in the entertainment industry where my appearance is literally everything.
So given all this, I can still have a distaste for cosmetic surgery and shake my head at people doing it, but I don’t QUITE have total bewilderment over why WHY WWWHHHYYY??? because I can mainly see how the post is manipulated to produce that reaction, and I opt out of that manipulation.
Yes, the "why?" part, at least the beginnings of it are the more clear part. It still is intriguing the rabbit hole some of these people have gone into, and educational how money can't buy it all.
Same reason Michael Jackson looked the way he did. Mental illness.
Funny part about mental illness is, comorbidities are the norm, so they likely have other "atypical" neurological traits, like sociopathy.
This is all my own opinion and observations. Feel free to disagree:
Rich people are like all of us. They constantly feel this absence that they can't quite fill with material things, no matter how hard they try. They just have a lot of money to try more and more of those things. It's like compulsive gambling. The next spin will be the jackpot, I just know it!
The problem is they have too much money and don't know when/how to enjoy what they already have. Eventually, the dopamine they get from new and shinny things wears thin and they need to find more or something new to get it again.
Why do you think their current objectives are aimed at dismantling society and regression to earlier eras? They've gotten to a point where nothing makes them happy so they think society is the reason. They also want regression because many of them have fond memories of their childhood and associate the time period with those pleasant feelings.
Unfortunately, the problem is in their head. We're all just along for the ride. Even if they are successful at tearing down society, and even if they somehow come out of that time on top, it won't last. Then they'll die having destroyed the planet and countless lives chasing a fictitious world comprised entirely of a fleeting hormone in their brain.
People on their deathbeds often cite similar regrets of focusing on shit that doesn't matter, while letting the things that do matter wither away. It's why I don't like to participate in a lot of the same things, at 40, that my peers do, and why I never have. I enjoy the journey and don't feel there was ever a destination. It's why the attitudes of some with power upset me. I don't want to be a part or their sickness, yet like most of you, I have no choice.
I hate it here.
They actually look human in the before pics. Glad to know they got adjustments to make it obvious that’s not the case.
That Loomer lady sure did herself dirty.
First thought. This is just to butter up to jigsaw.
Guilfoyle didn't do herself any favors either.
She had a genuinely pretty face.
"Temu Jigsaw" is what I've heard her called. Apropos
If you really want to be surprised, she's only like 32 years old.
She looks 50+.
I'M SORRY WHAT??!!!
Holy fuck. These photos must be like 2 years apart. They look 20 years apart.
Damn.
Born in 1993. What the actual fuck? Guess hate makes you ugly.
holy shit. i just looked it up. she was born in 93. wtf
I mean, they all did.
She was legitimately gorgeous, and now 😔
this is probably the gender affirming care they should be concerned about
Ma Lara Trump is outside the front door again, get the grapeshot. Pa get grandad's M2 Incase the dog killer tries the chimney again.
Imagine hating yourself so much that you're a woman and decide to be a Republican.
There's your answer.
This is what Loomer looks like now, actually
And she does like playing games this checks out
They are actually lizard people slowly reverting to their true forms. I heard Guilfoyle is even completely covered in scales from cloaca to sternum. Lots of people are saying it.
Not as far fetched as you'd think. If you were an alien trying to sort of pass as human whilst implementing a military dictatorship what would you do differently?
Personally, I'd go with a strange blond combover and way-too-long ties.
The men too, they all look like a vampire or they're smelling shit.
Lol fucking Miller dressed up in trek uniforms, then says "why would we have diversity?"
I legit had a conversation with a MAGA who was telling me the Star Trek universe was awesome and we should try to do that, and when I pointed out it was literally space communism he visibly bluescreened. I wish I’d recorded it.
It’s also one of the “wokest” shows to ever exist as well. The first TV interracial kiss was on Star Trek.
That's the sad part. He's probably one of those idiots crying "why did Star Trek go woke‽"...like, news flash.
Sadly it’s not that surprising.
On a superficial level, what you have is a military vessel captained by a white human male that goes around saving the poor savage primitive and less enlightened cultures. The captain even basically does whatever he wants, and any force he uses is accepted, if not outright lauded. That’s basically everything white nationalists dream of.
And it doesn’t help that some of the aggressor cultures like the Klingons have darker skin and are shown (again, from a superficial viewpoint) as unreasonably violent with a culture that espouses it.
Remember, these are the same geniuses that think Starship Troopers wasn’t a biting parody and that Rage Against The Machine was espousing far right ideals. Media literacy and paying attention to anything more than superficial stuff is not really their forte.
It's oddly appropriate to see Miller dressed as a Trekkie and looking mighty unhappy about that fact. I can't decide whether it's because he's cosplaying a "filthy space commie", because he's expected to act as a decent older role model or it's because his resting bitch-face just is like that, but hey... It's not like any of those explanations are mutually exclusive.
Stephen Miller looks like a racist Sheldon Cooper in that Federation uniform.
it’s probably both lol
I hereby nominate Emil Bove for top Nosferatu clone in the current US federal government
Tie?
Stephen Miller has that smelling shit thing going on in this pic too.
Can't believe that cocksucker got a permanent appointment on appeals when he said that Trump should tell judges to fuck off
Did they have gender affirming surgeries?!
All are anti-trans but they out here transforming into shit.
Just anti-transgender, not anti-transhuman.
The gas mask comes later, and then they’ll join Sector 17 Overwatch.
Laura Loomer went from looking like a female Bradley Cooper, to looking like Jigsaw trying to compete on Drag Race.
She went from fugly to extra fugly. But Kim was actually attractive before she paid for a fugly face. That’s the biggest tragedy.
these are people who say you can't have gender affirming care and you must give birth to your rapist's baby because you should accept whatever god gave you. meanwhile they're like "fuck this face you gave me, god, i can't make money with this I'll have some doctors fix your shit for me"
"You should be happy with gods graces, unless you are republican and need to make yourself look like a toy some child melted with a magnifying glass to appease your one true orange god"
Oh, that's because the rules aren't for them, they're for people they don't care about, like the poors.
They are desperately trying to look good enough for Trump to give them a creepy grin and a quick grab of their ass.
This but unironically. I have no prrof but I'm convinced the GOP attracts a certain type of women. As soon as they get some of that promised moolah, the plastic surgery starts.
its called the mara-a-lago face. right wing talking heads have to look increasingly like "male gaze" females, in order to be in positions like a fox talking head, or trumps inner circle. conservative voters dont like to see old bats.
If the "male gaze" is attracted to plastic duck lips and sunken eye sockets shaded in expensive bat shit, with foreheads like a full bag of curdled milk...
Yuck. Nevermind.
That doesn't make sense though, because most of those women are legitimately better looking before the surgery.
They were also younger. Doubt they'd look like that now (although still better than the puffy plastic faces they have).
Maybe as prostitutes, which they obviously became.
pleather face
Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.
It's sad to see people mocking these poor women. They obviously have a lot going on and are just terrified. That's why they're doing all they can to make themselves look as un-couchlike as possible.
I dunno, Laura Loomer is rocking some pillow lips.
The rest of the face looks like faux leather, too.
They're more like futons: cheap and easily folded.
They all look hideous, I normally wouldn’t say that about another person, but these freaks chose to look like this.
They don't look like a real person anymore, so that might soothe your conscience, too.
I quit thinking magats were people a long time ago.
It's like they asked the surgeon to align their looks with their inner beauty. If that was the objective, the surgery was a perfect success.
It's actually crazy how hideous the cosmetic work is. Are MAGA weirdos actually attracted to all of that plastic or is this a purely internal thing
It is. KimG was aging pretty well and in the before pic has good cosmetic work done. Then the pivot to the ghoulish look, it honestly all reminds me of a twilight zone episode.
The conspicuity is the point. It's like any other body modification; it connotes social class/rank. The same way a prison tattoo let's people know what you're about, this type of plastic surgery let's people know what you're about. It's not intended to be convincing or subtle. It's to set them apart from the steerage class.
Like Sneeches with stars and Sneeches without stars upon thars.
THIN YOUR PAINTS!!
Truly this is heresay. The Emperor protects.
He doesn't protect as much as 2+ thick coats of acrylic
Why yes, Inquisitor. This is the one who loves the xenos and their technology.
This sent me bahaha. They're like that space marine picture with 1cm deep layers of paint
Because Trump has a type. And that type is Howard the Duck.
Hey! He wasn't that bad! At least he knew quackfu!
Steal his look
It's like the fascist version of the Habsburg jaw.
Except they paid someone to make them look like this
"Mar-a-Lago face" is the term isn't it?
For the same reason that the "Real Housewives of 'X' or 'Y' do it". Because it's a visible affirmation to themselves of how rich they are. The fact that they can afford to "stay young and beautiful" is something that they are better than us peasants for.
MAGA, following the lead of Trump, have a very very gaudy idea of what it means to be "rich". It's all gold plated everything and showing your wealth as obviously as possible in every possible situation. Someone once said that Trump is "a poor man's idea of what a rich man looks like". And that's pretty accurate. To Trump and his MAGA followers, wealth is to be flaunted as a show of power.
More like flaunted for power. Trump shows what people want to see.
He is admittedly a good salesman. Most cult leaders are.
That's what I heard and have observed. Basically matches what your saying I think.
Holy shit, Laura looks awful after all that surgery.
I wonder how much of their actions are justified internally by their hatred of how they look now
there's just no way that they think that they look good. like, most people, even conventionally unattractive ones, if they are happy good people they probably think they look okay. and they probably do.
none of these people look okay after that work, and nowhere close to attractive.
maybe they're just shitty people to begin with, but I do wonder how much of what they do is because they're unhappy with their appearance now and they just kind of take it out on everybody.
Jesus... They all looked way better before the surgery. Especially Loomer.
Now they all resemble an Easter Island head. 🗿
They want their outside to match their inside, Fuck ugly.
Kimberly was genuinely beautiful before the filler inflation. Really sad
It acts as a political and social signal. Women embracing this look are participating in a form of political conformity.
This aesthetic is seen as a way for these women to show allegiance to Trump’s movement and to signify that they are "putting in the work" to fit in.
Holy hell Loomer was actually somewhat attractive once upon a time.
Kimberly Guilfoyle looked like a quite attractive human before she turned onto a blow up doll.
She looks like she got kicked in the head by a horse and never regained full brain function.
Bruh. It's not like. They were ugly before. They look like torture victims from Hellraiser.
Noem absolutely was.
Stupid dog killer.
She's the only one that looks arguably better with the surgery, but even then its borderline.
Post surgery she always looks agitated.. like her facial muscles have been cut/stretched and left in this permanent frozen scowl. Even when she's smiling she's furrowing her brows.
It's called Mar-A-Lago face and it's the ultimate commitment to Trumpism. Disfigure yourself for dear leader.
These fuckers have the audacity to bitch about trans people “mutilating” themselves.
Are they going for a trans look? Because each of those after pics look way less "passing" than the before ones.
Why do I always think of Jigsaw when I see Laura Loomer?
because jigsaw's mask is what her doctors used as a mold to make her face
Well now that makes sense.
Surely they can see the malformations? Perhaps they convince themselves that its beauty, in the same way they see greatness and and worship a child rapist.
I knew a woman years ago who was probably the prettiest woman I've ever seen in person. The only things about her that could even be mildly considered "flaws" were a slight bump on the bridge of her nose (which I thought only enhanced her beauty) and b-cup breasts (and I actually prefer smaller breasts, like millions of men do). However these two "flaws" drove her insane and she got plastic surgery and breast implants after saving up tens of thousands of dollars to pay for it (she was not rich by any means).
The first time I saw her after she healed up, I literally started in horror. She not only had the nose bump scraped, she got her nose entirely reformed into a little button, comically large cheek and chin implants, and the bee-sting lips which were already collapsing and asymmetrical. The D-cup implants were just absurd and probably looked similarly horrific naked. Apparently she had also gotten liposuction for no reason. And for the icing on the cake she had gotten eyeshadow tattoos, a hideous dark purple.
She went from being a beautiful, fit 33-year-old to pretty much a monster. I can't even imagine what she looks like now 15 years later. But according to our mutual friends she thought all the surgeries were a fantastic success and she was incredibly happy.
The western worlds societies really do maintain pressure on women to have disproportionate negative views of their faces and bodies. A LOT coming from the wider industries around women from magazines, salons and media includng social.
You know how the saying goes "Horrible stupid people flock together and support even the worst human traits just to get a taste of being a horrible waste of life"
there's BDD at play here
I mean this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_dysmorphic_disorder
Butter-Dumpling Ducks?
Indeed
Indubitably, possibly even
I meant this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_dysmorphic_disorder
My poor cuticles hurt too much to read further.
Edit: Is there a word for wiki-splaining?
Aren't cuticles things that cover the base of the fingernails ?
It's fucking psychosis. Yes, they are vain. But they are also in denial. Does anyone actually think that this looks better? If I want to look the best I can, if I'm absolutely obsessed with it enough to get surgery to do so, I am staying far away from whatever the fuck this is because it just looks fucked up. It makes zero sense.
Laura loomer looks like a wax statue gone horribly wrong... and also comes to life in a horror movie.
I found out the other day this is being referred to as Mar-a-Lago face. Search it up if you like; I don't want to link to any news rags (Independent, Huffpo, etc), who are the only ones writing about it.
And it still doesn't fucking work even after decades of this shit. People's faces keep on sagging and collapsing afterwards, even faster than otherwise because of all the tissue trauma. If they look good at all, it's for just a brief moment in time after months of healing and before the decay resumes.
Fucking up your face is literally a MAGA woman's tattoo at this point.
Whether it’s actually the concentrated evil turning them ugly, or the evil they do that makes the money they use to pay for the plastic surgery, does it matter?
Spiritually, aren’t those the same thing anyways?
Getting a face like this is a message to MAGA that you're human garbage and will be loyal to the ranks.
Finally the flesh begins to represent the insanity within!
"So, what were you looking to imp-"
"Just fuck my shit up."
"Like... your hair?"
"No, my face. I hate myself, and I need to be as beautiful on the outside as I secretly suspect I am on the inside."
They're all ghouls.
"Hello, I want to play a game"
Hello. Yes. I'd like to look like a death mask that's been stung by a bee.
Gotta be the same shitty plastic surgeon.
Definitely the same guy's "work".
Probably has to do with societal conditioning to be stand-out beautiful as a woman, I'm sure everyone feels some type of body dysphoria.
I guess when you have the money, and you see adverts all the time about successful surgery, you fall into the trap and become a victim.
(General obervation by meeeee, a bimbo)
...then why do they go in the opposite direction?
They all look like rubber dolls now.
Lol you are right.
The only explanation I can think of is predatory and false advertising.
I'm also a bimbo, and I've decided that if I get plastic surgery, it'll be only for me and nobody else. I ask myself if I'd still want x surgery even if nobody else would ever see me again. Not that I'll probably ever have the money for surgery, but I think it's a good way to test whether surgery is the right option. I'm all for body modification if it's for self-expression.
Hey I’m curious, what’s your definition of bimbo? I always thought it was like dumb but beautiful, the latter often done artificially via makeup, clothing, and beyond.
But neither of you seem dumb, so just looking for an update on the lingo.
I think when women self identify as "bimbos" these days they're usually referring to the purposeful reclamation of hyper feminine aesthetics, interests, and behaviors and not so much the original pejorative. It's an aesthetic choice. The aesthetic is frequently referred to as "bimbocore" Examples would include lots of pink, heavy makeup, heels, false lashes, bleach blonde hair, etc. It's sort of a subversion of patriarchal beauty standards since the intent is self expression and not conformity.
Mother Jones did a decent article about this trend a few months ago.
It always kind of reminds me of this.
I love how much money they all spent to look like gargoyles
I don't have an issue with what people do with their own bodies. But I do have an issue with them being fucking scum.
So honest question why do women do this to themselves. These are not the only ones. And do anyone actually find them attractive? I know I don't I don't even know if their the same species.
Self esteem issues, a very warped view of their bodies, pressure from their environment, partners, coworkers, ... There is a long list of things that can make people disfigure themselves. What I really wonder is how a doctor who did this is still allowed to continue their work
Men do it too. Look at Dennis and Mac from Its Always Sunny in early seasons compared to later.
Notable male example: Matt Gaetz
"What's with all the surgery Cathy? Lord! You've been stitched up thousands of times but you're still sad to look at ... You're like the AIDS-quilt!"
It really is like a movie where all the bad guys share a style so we know which ones to root against.
It's the 21st century version of the full-face covering, the stormtrooper helmet.
The federal government really has been taken over by the Legion of Super-Villains
Legion
Of
Super
Evil
Republican
Suckers
Tribal allegiance. Scarification.
Which South Park episode is this?
Recent season, episode 2.
Skeletor!!!
literal and figurative zombies lmao
Bimbofication fetish, I saw it on Reddit
For a cult that is so transphobic, these figures sure all want to look like Pete Burns.
Why is there a Reddit logo? They are really ramping up the whole "our platform, our content" fuckery
That's been around for years, its added automatically if you share an image using the official Reddit app, IIRC.
Oh my god! What's wrong with your face?! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=62UzLgdb1GQ
Laura was pretty before. I wonder if she regrets doing that to her face. I suppose the outside matches the inside now, though.
It’s who you surround yourself with. They want to fit in
Why would anyone want to look like that. It's completely baffling to me.
Are they misunderstanding when people say their 'mask is slipping?'
Their king is made of plastic, and they want to be just like him.
you know what, just totally fuck my shit up fam
Top right looks straight out of the purge
SAW
"I'll have what she's having"
They all look like the disposed beta companion dolls
tramp-stamp 10 commandments
Trump stamp?
I'll say what I said on another thread about this: They’re copying the “eccentric gajillion-dollar empire heiress” look. Getting excessive amounts of plastic surgery to show off their “fuck you money” is a time-old tradition.
A video about this exact topic popped up for me yesterday, though the video itself is a few months old:
The New Republican Look Explained by a Plastic Surgeon https://youtu.be/La4creTSqFg
🤮
They want the trump gaze. Gross
face lift?
Guilfoyle clearly also had rhinoplasty
They're revealing their true inner selves.
'idealized' in coloring books they like
Loomer looks like she got a new face from Alan Cummings character in spy kids
hdtf reference
Best evidence of lizard people wearing cheap masks
Low self-esteem.
Not sure about the procedures involved, but they do have the same style of eye make-up.
That's just what those ones evolve into. Wait until you see the third evolution
I'm picturing something from Starship Troopers
They don't like things that are different.
Everything about republicans is fake. From their morality to their “facts” to the plastic people they put on camera.
Pretty sure it's all the hate that seeps out into their faces. The surgeryi can't hide it, but it can distract from it.
Gotta look good for the Fox News host position.
Gobble gobble we accept you, we accept you. One of us.
Clone Central, at your service…
that can't be real.
can it?
I call it Demeaning Plebney
Same butcher more like...
Reminds me of that Curb Your Enthusiasm episode with Crazy Eyes Killer.
Loomer looks genuinely unhinged in her 'before' photo. Is a shame regardless.
They are female, female impersonators
My wife just now: so are the people on the right the same as the ones on the left?
Hey, I don’t like them, but body dysphoria comes in different shapes and sizes. As long as they don’t hurt others(as in, no people getting hurt related to their surgery) who am I to judge.
People are getting hurt.
It may not be a cause itself, but they might both be from the same cause.
like sure we can't prove that people are getting hurt because of their surgery, but we sure as hell can prove that people are getting hurt and that the people causing that hurt have had this surgery.
there is definitely a correlation there. and that should be investigated.
body shaming is pretty shitty behavior, maybe don’t sink to their level
if anything point out the hypocrisy of them endorsing gender affirming elective surgery but denying it to others based on arbitrary criteria usually based in religious and antiscientific beliefs
But being like “hurr look at how fucking ugly this plastic faced woman is” is just as misogynistic as when right wing media plasters a bunch of pictures of alt women and rag on their appearance or tears apart images of trans women.
In principle, I agree.
...But I think many people are sick of playing 'fair' while schoolyard bully insults of trans women (for instance) rake in millions of dollars and tons of ratings.
In the larger social media landscape? Principles don't work. Algorithms are just going to suppress being polite.
I say spit fire back. If being a shithead is all that trends, mind as well make the enablers miserable. And hopefully the whole ragebait system falls apart, soon...
“I hope the ragebait system falls apart while I perpetuate it”
Fair enough.
I guess we should draw the line on Lemmy at least.
Nobody is shaming the bodies they were born with, but when you deliberately carve, stitch and inflate your face into something that would make any child spontaneously scream in abject fear and break down in tears of terror, you can't reasonably expect it to pass unremarked upon.
It doesn't have anything to do with gender either. It's no different when men do the same.
Literal anti trans rhetoric if you delivered it slightly differently
Like jump on kiwi farms and your post would fit right in word for word in any of the trans hate threads. You are right there with their vitriol, you just change the target.
...Are you serious?
100%. Here is a game, pick your hateful vitriol out from random quotes I literally just pulled from kiwi farms just now, only changing to censure the names of victims and outright slurs
“when you deliberately carve, stitch and inflate your face into something that would make any child spontaneously scream in abject fear and break down in tears of terror, you can't reasonably expect it to pass unremarked upon.”
“Seriously, that surgery made [x] look like he belonged in an extraterrestrial lock up somewhere for study.”
“Back in February of this year, [x] was feelin' her oats something fierce when she posted body shots of her horrible, horrible body. Now because we've moved too far from God's light, she's really serving the "rot" in rotdog, and you're all going to have to look at it with me”
“After thousands of dollars and hours of surgery, a [slur] is finally satisfied with her physique... for now. To anybody normal, however, it truly displays just how limited modern medicine still is, because she has the kind of dumpy, stitched-up body of a mother who gave birth to twins via C-Section in the 1970s.”
Tell me how yours is different. Honestly. Aside from the fact that the person you’re targeting is a mean bully
Be better
nothing in that comment sounded anti-trans at all.
I don’t know how to make it any clearer for you
Obviously I don’t believe @[email protected] is anti trans. That is why I said “if you worded it a bit different”. The point is the rhetoric is the same. If said poster said the exact same thing directed at a transgender person would it be anti trans then? Of fucking course? Horrifically so?
Thus one comment down in the chain their rhetoric fits right in with kiwifarms bullshit. You act like a schoolyard bully picking on peoples insecurities you’ll fit right in with gross shitheads, even if your “intentions are good” (whatever that means)
One of those Lemmy moments when you're getting downvoted for pointing out the uncomfortable truth.
Trans ppl modify their bodies -> body positivity Some terrible people modify their bodies -> they are ugly and mentally ill
*slow clap*
Counterpoint: nah, fuck them
Pointing out the hypocrisy does fuck all, they know they’re fucking hypocrites and they will do and say anything for themselves. I’m going to stick with body shaming these pieces of shit cos mirroring their shitty behavior back on them has been the one thing I’ve noticed that shuts magats the fuck up. All you’re doing is appeasing them and doing what they want you to do to bait you into some bullshit “debate”
Hate the post all you want but classic neolib behavior. “You’re my friend when you’re on my team but then when you’re against me the internalized homophobia, racism, sexism, transphobia, fatphobia, etc I’ve been suppressing will come right out and I’ll go right back to call of duty lobby language”
Be better
Get off your high horse
“It’s okay when I do it you see”
My horse is extremely low. Call them a piece of shit if you want. Call them transphobic monsters, call them callous enablers of genocide, etc
But if you engage in body shaming because you don’t agree with them, or if you mock their ethnicity, gender, orientation, etc I assume you are no better than them. You are ultimately just waiting to take the mask off to reveal your phobic behavior and inner bully
Yawn
Hate spreads hate
Well, as a queer who has been called many things many times by magats who want me dead since Trump got re-elected, I don’t really give a fuck about them in any way anymore and I’m not going to be a welcoming person to someone who wants me dead. They can suck my glock
Insulting people's appearance isn't a "meme", it's just being a jerk.
Shame on you for posting this, and anyone who joined in the hypocritical circlejerk by upvoting it.
Pathetic behavior.
Mocking botox and esthetical surgery is not insulting women appearance lol it's actually mocking stupid beauty standard
I judge people based on how they act, and nothing more. You should try it sometime.
Only deeply flawed/insecure people go out of their way to ridicule anyone (especially going so far out of your way to collect photos of them to post on the Internet for the explicit purpose of mockery) based on personal choices they make about their own appearance.
Don't try to rationalize this infantile behavior, who do you think you're kidding, pretending you're justified in the least for this?