Spyke

What do you do when homeless folks ask for money?

This is becoming more common in my town. I just either feel like an ass saying I dont have cash, or lying, but I also can't be giving out 20's to everyone who asks.

I feel bad for most of them but at the same time I get anxiety walking down the sidewalk and seeing someone up ahead that I know is going to ask me for money. Its not like you can say "oh no, I donate to services that help the needy" because that person isn't necessarily being helped by that. And ignoring completely feels so mean, plus I tried that one time and the person was screaming at me as i walked away that I ignored them.

I also dont want my city to round them up and send them to prison camps, something they are planning and that I know a lot of people would vote for just to "get rid of them" but im not supporting that at all.

Its tough.

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Ignore and donate to a local shelter and/or kitchen. Do not encourage street harassment. I know it sucks and I know a lot of people are hurting. But community aid should not be divided based on who is the loudest, most aggressive, or most "convincingly in need" based on appearance. (If someone is hungry or thirsty by all means hook up the people in need in your community, never hurts to share food and water)

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Not to mention professional beggars that are hired from a company (black market) and don't need the money. They are often more effective than the people that really need the money since are more relaxed about it.

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In the northeastern U.S. I've mostly learned to acknowledge them, don't give anything, and move on with my life.

Not sure if it's bad luck or what, but nearly every time I've tried to be nice and offer them something it always backfires. I'll be passing by with some food and they'll ask me for some, I give them some and then they tell me it wasn't enough and to give them all the food I was carrying. Like WTF?

Another time I actually had some change on me so I gave him some and he said it wasn't enough money and started following me, wanted me to go to an ATM so I can take out more money for him. I was forced to tell him to stop following me or I'd have to call the cops.

I have even more stories like that.. going through those motions repeatedly it feels like the homeless have taught me not to give to the homeless. But hopefully your experiences have better outcomes.

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I was drunk and in a good mood and a guy asked for $10 to take the bus or something, so I handed him a $20 and said I hope he had a nice evening. Should have been the end of it, right? Nope. "Oh man, if you have $20 more the Lord will bless you and I can get a bus pass and eat. My sister is dying and I need to visit her often and I'm on the streets right now." Stuff like that for like 3 blocks of following me.

Bro... I. Don't. Believe. You. Like, literally, it's probably all bullshit and I knew the first $20 was going to buy booze or drugs. Don't fucking try to shake me down for more.

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Dude, same happened to me. One guy threw the box of food he asked me to give him in a bush because he didn’t like Italian. Another told me to go to an atm for him. The last time I gave someone money they had me absolutely convinced that they needed $10 for the bus ride home. Before I even put my wallet away he was saying the same thing to the next guy.

Decided to stop that and donate to charity instead, even though money was tight. After my $20 donation they flooded my mailbox asking for more donations. They even sent me $5 with the message “This $5 could save a life!” So sick of being made into a fool for wanting to help.

If I were convinced a person truly needed help I could provide, I would straight up be willing to give them at least $1000. I simply don’t trust the pleas any more. Have to keep it limited to chance encounters with everyday people.

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I'm in the northeast, I nod, apologize for having no cash and ignore them past that. I donate to the local food pantry, I know they're gonna buy drugs or alcohol with any money I give them face to face. I dated a girl that was homeless in NYC for a year, she spent every dollar she got on heroin. She knew where to get free food and clothes. She made about 50 to 100 dollars a day panhandling.

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otp
sh.itjust.works

I wonder if the people saying they give money every time live in major cities (and walk often).

If I gave a quarter to everyone who asked me for change, I'd be out over $200 per year. Double that if they're still going to ask me on my way back (which is likely).

Some of them would also be rolling their eyes at a quarter. Some panhandlers can even become aggressive if they don't like what they get.

I'm not going to say that these people are going to waste the money on drugs, though some will (and I don't care what they do with the money, really). But I'd rather...

  • Donate that money to food banks and other causes
  • Not carry around unnecessary change
  • Not risk pulling out my wallet in the city (in case I forget to keep the change handy)
  • And NOT turn city sidewalks into tolled walkways for people who can't afford a car

As for what I do? I do the hand thing and apologize. I make eye contact (or at least look their way). If they ask again, I tell them I don't have anything. There's no reason to feel shame for not giving. Like someone else said, it's a numbers game.

If there are regulars and people who are genuinely down on their luck, then (if you have the time and willingness), you could talk to them, and maybe offer to buy them food or something.

Of course, there's always the chance that they'll bring the food back and ask for a refund. But hey, they would've used your $20 the same way.

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Sl00kreply
programming.dev

I wonder if the people saying they give money every time live in major cities (and walk often).

Honestly there's panhandlers then there's homeless. I get asked for money surprisingly few amounts of times from homeless and I usually throw them $5-10 every time if I have cash.

Frequent panhandlers I will never give money to. If you're around the area a lot it's pretty easy to know the difference.

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That's a great point. There are also a lot of career panhandlers where I live. Like, "getting picked up in fancy SUVs" career panhandlers.

I hope they're just scam artists and not victims of human trafficking.

Which raises another point -- sometimes giving money to people in the streets is supporting human trafficking.

You have to really know who your money is going to. And 9 times out of 10, I'd wager the money is better off being donated to services that support people in need than it is going into a takeout coffee cup at the end of a stretched out arm.

But food is still probably a great help no matter what, even if it is for a victim of human trafficking. Everyone needs to eat.

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Yeah. Unfortunately it feels like the homeless situation further encourages mass car culture because youre a lot safer in there than walking at night especially if youre small or a woman.

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AA5Breply
lemmy.world

Plus there’s the problem of literally giving them a quarter. I used to empty my pockets out for the first person I saw on my way out of work. But too often they would just throw change on the ground and get mad.

I get that they hoped for more but it is something and is what I hsd

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Especially in Canada. A quarter can't get you much of anything. You'd need 5 of them to get yourself the cheapest coffee. Probably more than one for a single piece of fruit, even.

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Jg1reply

I live in Los Angeles, I see homeless people regularly and give regularly. When I don't have much money I don't give much, when I have more I give more. I actually specifically got the ATM and make sure to carry $5 and $20 bills specifically for this. I am lucky enough that I can afford to give what I do but I regularly give people$20.

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lemmy.ml

When I was driving through an area frequently that had a large amount of homeless I'd pack a few extra sandwiches, granola bars and bottles of water to give out. I also kept gallon bags and a large bag of dog food for those who had dogs. I never once had someone turn down food and ask for money instead.

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Skyline969reply
lemmy.ca

Guess it depends on your city. In my city I have literally seen a homeless person throw food back at the person who gave it to them and scream “I ASKED FOR A DOLLAR, BITCH!”

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lemmy.today

Yeah you gotta mostly ignore the homeless where I’m at. Heavy meth, fentanyl area. Street violence is not uncommon. Just keep it moving and don’t loiter too long if you know what’s good lol

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Skyline969reply
lemmy.ca

Probably is, but it also happened in my city. My city’s gone to meth in a real bad way.

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I've seen people get angry when instead of giving money they offered to buy food.

Called the bluff about needing the money to eat, I guess.

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Jo Miranreply
lemmy.ml

If possible, do not give food unless it is sealed. I prefer to give out canned food with a pull tab or sealed items like protein bars and granola bars. Many unhoused people throw away open items like sandwiches given to them by random people for their own safety, and I can't blame them

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otpreply
sh.itjust.works

"I'm, uh, gluten intolerant. And I don't eat processed foods."

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ashenonereply
lemmy.ml

Literally not even once. But keep strawmanning the homeless to make yourself feel better

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Uh...I was just playing off of your last sentence, where you brought up the idea that someone could turn down food. I was imagining a scenario where someone would do that.

You can get down off your high horse if you'd like.

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lemmy.world

I say "sorry not today" or something similar but also offer food if I have it. I've usually got a Clif bar or something. Also nice to have emergency blankets for winter hand outs.

Edit: just remember they are people too. Regardless of their current situation. Some might have mental health issues, others maybe substance abuse problems, some might just be down on their luck and unable to find work. Treat them with the respect you would want if you were in their shoes.

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This sounds closest. Acknowledge. Be friendly. Offer food water. Make eye contact, however fleeting. Assess crisis. Keep moving. This is Manhattan and depending on the neighborhood and street they might be the umpteenth to ask. They know this. I still acknowledge and make eye contact because suddenly being invisible is the worst part psychologically.

Bonus: if it’s your neighborhood, odds are you will see these people again. You might want to learn their names. They won’t keep asking you if they recognize you and know you don’t have it.

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My wife & I were going into a restaurant one afternoon, and there was a man in a wheelchair with no legs below the knee sitting next door at the exit to Walmart. His sign said that he was a homeless vet. As we started in, I told my wife to hold on, and I ran over and gave him $20. When I got back, my wife said, "Did you just give that guy 20 bucks?" I said, "Yep, why?" She said, "You know he's just going to spend it on alcohol." I said, "I hope so, the guy ain't got no legs, let him have a good drink!"

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Binettereply
lemmy.ml

I heard that story once on reddit tho. Are you just saying a story, or was it you?

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Nusmreply

That was probably me on Reddit. I’ve probably posted it there on a similar post.

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Sounds like exactly what a bot would say! Now prove your humanity by clicking all of the traffic lights in this image...err that one doesn't work? Uh...You shall prove your humanity by listening to this audio clip and transcribing...that one too huh? Now you shall...count the Rs is Strawberry? Really? Man this is a really dumb future we've found ourselves in

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feddit.nl

If I don’t want to give them money, I just say “sorry I don’t have any cash.” Easy Peasy.

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I just say "sorry". I mean, inventing reasons don't do any of us any favors. They know I will not give anything after I say sorry. Does it matter to them, why?

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I legitimately don't carry cash anyway tbh. I absolutely hate cash.

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lemmy.hogru.ch

Easy peasy until one pulls out a tap to pay terminal. I’ve seen it once, crazy world.

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I didn't have cash and a guy asked if I could cash app him instead lol

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lol if that happened (hasn’t in my life yet so far) I’d just be like dude I don’t have any money, sorry.

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I don't usually give out money and if I saw that after saying the standard "sorry I don't have any cash" I would immediately nope the fuck out. I do get it and it makes sense for them to have but it gives me an icky feeling to actually hear about it.

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Good point. While I never had that happen …. Last winter I used it as an excuse not to hire some teens who were shoveling driveways. But they had Venmo. Dammit

I wasn’t even that unwilling: it’s mostlyvthey were too late. I was already out there and had already shoveled enough snow to get my snowblower out

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europe.pub

Homeless people endure constant hardship, abuse and dehumanising behaviour. I might not give money, but I'm careful to avoid dehumanising them.

  1. You can carry around smaller denominations if you do want to give something.

  2. If they're close to a convenience store then I offer to go in and buy something for them (tell them a budget and ask about and preferences or restrictions).

  3. If I'm not going to give anything, I still make eye contact, try to have a sympathetic smile on my face and say something like "I'm sorry, do take care". I don't know if this is dumb or patronising, but I'm trying to avoid being dehumanising as the constant response they get is for people to avoid eye contact, walk around with a wide gap or ignore completely. I want to try to at least acknowledge and respond.

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sh.itjust.works

Right, I feel like a total ass ignoring them because its just mean. But I also feel like if youre too friendly they think you're an easy person to rob as well...and im not a scary looking person. If i was it would help

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Homeless people are much more likey to be victims of violence than they are to perpetrate it.

Homeless people are regular people, like you, who sleep on the street. Would YOU rob someone who is being nice to you?

Dorn dehumanize people just because they don't look, talk or smell like you. They have feelings and a working brain, just like you.

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Interestingly the only time I had a homeless guy threatening me he was actually interested in my dog and he may not have actually been intentionally threatening.

When he asked to pet my dog, I said ok but to take it slow and easy because she was a rescue that didn’t trust people. He proceeded to spent like ten minutes saying he wasn’t worried because he had a knife.

I probably should have taken it much more seriously but this was a festival with people and police all over ….. and my dog is pretty good at scaring people

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I personally consider the risk of being robbed to be very very low in my city/country. And if it's the kind of person who would rob you, then I don't think that will change on the basis of how you respond.

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I ask them to come inside the store and I’ll buy them some food.

If they decline, oh well. If they agree, I happily pay for some food for them.

Some of these encounters have broke my heart, others have just reiterated what most people assume when it comes to these things.

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My standard is to say something like "I don't have any cash to share, good luck to you though." I work in homeless services and know a ton of folks who survive on panhandling. In my area, people have no problem finding food, there are a ton of social service orgs and churches that provide food daily.

The following is not a judgment and is a generalization that is far from universal. This is just a description of what I commonly observe. The unfortunate reality is that much of the money people get from panhandling goes to purchasing cigarettes, alcohol, meth, K2, crack, and/or fentanyl. For this reason I avoid giving people money directly.

You don't need to explain yourself to anyone, and if you feel bad for not giving someone money because you feel the inequality, consider donating your time or money to organizations in your area that are doing the work to help people gain employment or housing, meet their basic needs, or treat their physical or mental health needs.

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I just apologize and move on, never had a bad experience. I do feel bad afterwards, but I'm from LATAM and it's basically a 50/50 wether you get ripped off or not, so I'm not risking it.

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I made it a personal rule that if I have a $5, it goes to whoever asks. I don't seek people out, but if it's asked, and I have that five dollar bill with me, it's theirs.

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Panhandling is a numbers game - both parties know this and it’s okay to say no.

If I were to go back to walking into work and dealing with it daily then I’d have my headphones on and would be ignoring.

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aussie.zone

I tell them the truth, I don't have any cash on me.

On the rare ocassion i do, I'll give $10 - $20. Because I've been on the position where $20 is the difference between eating today or not, and it's terrifying.

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midwest.social

If I have cash, I'll give it. I don't give a shit whether they're being honest or not. My generosity is not tempered by the dishonesty of others.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

Okay, but the money you gave could have been used to provide community kitchen and shelters. Should community aid be given in cash based on peoples willingness to look convincingly in need? Should assertive street harassment be the default choice to get aid? Everytime you're tempted to give cash, give that much to a local shelter or kitchen.

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when community aid doesn't actually aid the community - we have lots of shelters with rules against pets, couples, drinking etc., - religious orgs primarily who want to force their values on the victims.

Everytime you’re tempted to give cash, give that much to a local shelter or kitchen.

I disagree, there's something to be said for helping individuals when you can. And there are lots of individuals who will not seek institutional aid for a number of valid reasons.

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Brother not everyone likes the shelter. A lot of homeless people refuse to go because they are dangerous and if you're trying to quit drugs, well now you're surrounded by druggies.

You have good intentions, but assistance can't be locked behind institutional demands. If they wanted to go to the shelter, they would be at the shelter. If they wanted to receive conditional help, they'd be at the shelter.

They are asking you for help, just give it if you can.

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lemmy.ml

Been there done that. You never, ever know what’s the story behind a beggar. If I have and feel like it and I’m not in a rush I give. This is a fucked up world.

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Thanks for sharing. I guess some things in life you only start to acknowledge when you experience them yourself. Getting out of sync with society seems to be one of them.

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Have to pretend they're not there. It's awful. But I don't think that if I give them a few quid they'll turn their life around

I prefer to donate to food banks

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lemmy.world

20s? Someone recently told me "my dad taught me to always carry some change with me, other people need it more than me" and now I'm doing it too. There really isn't any other way to act if you pride yourself on your humanity, anything else is rationalizing selfishness. And I often hear the "they're just gonna use it for booze/drugs!!!" line as if it meant anything. Sure, they might, but even if you're a strict teetotaler (and if you're in any Western country odds are you're not, lol), what else would they do? Have you ever slept on a cold floor while hungry? People kill themselves/complain about life and they have beds, meals, narcotics and internet connections, nvm all sorts of legal drugs to help them cope with everything (something like 15 percent of women in the US are on antidepressants, according to the CDC...). Life is hard sometimes, perhaps they also need to disconnect a bit, idk.

Give when you can, don't rationalize it when you can't. We're all collectively responsible for the playground God made for us and everything/one in it, but you're also just one man/woman. Maybe they'll turn their lives around, maybe your grain of sand will help them reach that point.

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UberKittenreply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

thanks for bringing some kindness to this thread. i’ve been meaning to go to the bank to get a bunch of fivers to hand out.

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Jg1reply

Definitely do it. It is a great feeling and helps them. Don't let the fear of being scammed prevent you from helping people.

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Rest easy knowing you're doing your part, perhaps even more than that. Thanks, kitten! 😁❤️

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sh.itjust.works

When I was younger a person who I admired said:

"I always carry some extra money in my wallet for when someone needy asks. It's not my place to decide if this person needs help or not. Maybe they will use the money for drugs, maybe they need the money for clothes for their children. When I die and get to the pearly gates, I don't want to find out that I had the opportunity to help someone who needed help and I didn't help them because I assumed they would spend the money on drugs. Maybe they will spend the money on drugs, but that's not for me to know right now."

I thought that was some of the most noble shit my early 20's ass had ever heard.

Fast-forward a few years to me and my new wife honeymooning in...San Francisco. My noble naive ass brought a wallet full of cash with me so I could help people in need. Nothing terrible happened, but I soon ran out of cash and we decided to start handing out food. NOBODY WANTED THE FOOD. They just wanted the money. I would offer food, and they would just say "do you have any money?"

Anyway, nowadays I just say "sorry bro, I don't carry cash".

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To be somewhat optimistic, in my experience going out to help homeless people, everyone gives food but there's a lot of other stuff people need. Toothpaste, hand sanitizer, blankets, clothes, etc. are a lot harder to get. There's also people who live in storage units and need money to cover that. And yeah, theres a lpt of people who just want to buy drugs, but tbh so would I if I had to deal with what they do.

If I were to become homeless, I wouldn't be worried about finding food, I know where to go to get that, I'd be worried about everything else. Not wanting food doesn't mean they don't need help

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If I can spare it, I share it. I used to be homeless myself and would never have gotten out of that without help. It seems to me I have an obligation to pass that on.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

It's not tough.

Look them in the eyes like a human being and say "sorry dude, not today".

Alternatively just carry small amounts of cash to give to them.

Another alternative is asking them if they would like some food instead.

No matter what you do, keep in mind you are very likely a small step away from homelessness yourself.

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We tried giving one guy food in Chicago. He kind of wrinkled his nose and said something like "i prefer joe's" or something. Can't remember the exact place. Safe to say that our generosity got stifled on that journey after that.

Am not from states.

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lemmy.world

i actually give to those who do not ask

like a lady in the subway, visibly mentally challenged with all her belongings, drawing and striking words in her notepad. she made me sad, so i gave her a bill when leaving the train. her face became lightened when she saw it, she said thank you and I left

sometimes I leave at where they sleep like under pillow next to head

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This is a great idea. Some of us are wary of being ripped off by a scammer and there are some of those. But those few scammers will likely be the most aggressive. Someone just existing in need will NOT be a scammer. This seems like a great way to be sure you’re actually helping someone who needs it

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lemmy.world

This isn’t the best approach necessarily, but it’s a feel-good thing: If they’re intercepting me as I go to a store, I refuse to give money, but offer to buy them something to eat inside (or whatever else they need). I hold to those promises and they’re generally grateful.

I also sometimes give money if someone isn’t actively accosting about it. It’s down to what I can afford, too.

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lemmy.world

This is what I did when I used to work downtown and encounter them frequently. They usually tell you why they want money... usually food, but sometimes a bus ticket or gas. I always say I don't have or won't give you cash but let's go and I'll buy you what you need. More than half of them would give up and walk away when they realized you wouldn't just give them cash. Never ended buying any gas or a bus ticket, but I did buy quite a few meals and even groceries a couple times. Most were incredibly appreciative.

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reddthat.com

Part of the reason for those who won't accept anything but cash is purely because they're not actually homeless but instead learned that they can make more begging than they can working a crap fast food job for example. I've even heard of groups of people coordinating their efforts so they can make sure they aren't oversaturating a given part of town or in a some cases pooling the takings at the end of the day to help even out the inevitable variability

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Certainly there are people that do that or want to use the money for drugs, which is why I always volunteer to buy it for them vs give them money. And I don't carry cash anyway.

If they're genuinely hustling for cash they're unlikely to walk away with you to get food, a bus ticket, whatever because they're wasting time. I've had a few take me up on the offer and then still try to talk me out of cash while walking, but most hustlers just walk away immediately when you call their bluff and offer to buy it for them.

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lemmy.world

I don't usually have cash so I say "sorry I don't have any" and move on. I also volunteer my time with various local orgs so I don't feel bad

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Same here. I’ve occasionally followed up with “I’ll buy you a lunch” but never had a taker.

I almost never see panhandlers anymore. At least some of it is the way my routine changed with COVID but I wonder if it’s a trend. If so many people no longer carry cash that it’s not even worth it anymore

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If I have money, I give it to them if they aren't raising any danger flags. Like there's one woman who just screams "I'M HUNGRY" at people, and I'm sure that's true, but I don't engage with her because it feels unsafe. There's one whose name I learned, and another couple we recognize each other now.

I used to make good money (low six figures). Giving away $20/week to people asking for it wasn't even noticeable in my budget. I could probably have done $200/week without noticing. I think my peers are just bad at budgeting though.

I've been unemployed for a while now, so I don't always have cash to give. I tell them the truth.

I don't expect people who have nothing to give a lot. But I know many of my six figure salary peers could give without even noticing the money, and they don't. They don't give to charity, either. They just buy video games they don't play, run the AC so they have to wear a hoodie inside, and so on.

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simple answer: if I have any I can afford to give, I give it. Sometimes I have not had any and in various cases taken someone out for a meal or given them a meal from my plate. but mostly just money.

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If I am not in a position to give i look the person in the eye, smile apologetically and say, “no, sorry.” I try not to ignore them and i am never rude. No one has ever reacted badly.

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Absolutely ignore them. I will forever vote and say we need to house them and feed them, idgaf. But give them handouts from my poor ass, directly? Hellll no. Negative reinforcement through omission. Begging is not the way. I would rather them rob places and start murdering politicians. This is an entire society problem, not a me problem.

And before anybody calls me selfish, no - it's an issue of ability over scale. I can kill myself to absolutely help and try to fix one person, but it would cost me so, so much. And just like in a zombie game, if there's only one zombie, you can melee or whatever. But if there's a horde, you fix that shit with bigger guns or bring the crew.

What that means is, I'm not rich enough to fight zombies, so I'm walking away. And homeless people can ask me all they want, and I absolutely hold the social right to ignore them like any other person out there begging me to donate to their patreon or watch their ads or whatever they need in society to survive.

Fix the fucking system. Sorry, not sorry, but, capitalism, as it is right now, is not the way.

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If you can afford it, you can ask if you can buy them a coffee and inexpensive meal. Remember declinations of specific food items doesn't mean they're conning. Maybe they're allergic or can't eat/drink particular things for reasons.

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Where I live, there isn’t much walking, but the homeless stand at intersections and hold signs and look at you while you wait on the light to change.

My wife, who is a much better person than I, will keep $5 McDonald’s gift cards in her vehicle and sometimes hand those out. She says that there is a McDonald’s within walking distance of almost anywhere in town, and that $5 is enough to get a couple of things off the value menu and a free cup of water. If they’re really homeless and hungry, at least they will have something to eat.

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Where I live, the local paper did an expose about some of those people being scammers. Most are truly in need and deserve any help we can give. But you need to be more skeptical of the most aggressive or the ones with the best spots. There’s only a small number of scammers but they will drive away the truly needy when they can find a profitable intersection

I like the one guy here with a practice of giving only to those who aren’t actively panhandling.

But that reminds me, it’s been too long since I donated to services for the needy

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Very similar here. That is genius!! Beause i also feel dumb giving someone 5 dollars they are going to go spend on a steelhouse reserve instantly....very common here.

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lemmy.ca

Just shake your head no and keep walking. Anyone asking for change in the street is used to rejection

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A simple "no thank you" works for me if I feel that I need to say anything.

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I donate to a charity that I know will help (they've helped family members in the past), Shelter, but I genuinely say to those who ask me around my town that I have no change

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fedia.io

I used to give fairly often, but after handing one of the more famous homeless folks in my community a 5 spot and him immediately saying “thanks man, I’m going to go buy a beer with this” I took a hard think and realized I don’t want to enable that lifestyle. I mean a beer is fine every once in a while, but I’d rather see the guy have a safe environment where he can drink it.

So now instead I donate to our local hospitality house every time someone asks me for some change.

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a sub, choosing beggers fits with some homeless , you give them a little something, but they want more.

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If I have cash, I'll give $5 or $10. Sometimes I don't have cash, and I'll just say that. Sometimes I have a spare smoke or soda or whatever and I'll offer one of those instead. I have a union job and few expenses, so I'm in a position to be generous.

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sh.itjust.works

At home: Nothing. Genuine homelessness isn't really a problem. There's this joke that we have a government programme called "winter" that takes care of this. Truth is, there are actual government programmes in place that takes care of this as well - It is written in law that anyone who cannot afford a place to stay, as well as basic necessities will have this covered.

Abroad: When not in what causes fox news talking heads to clutch their pearls over socialist hellscape societies (Norway), I'm a lot more giving. Plus, I usually carry some currency that I will no longer need once I leave. I especially remember the happy outcry of a beggar I walked past while visiting this developing country. I was on my way to pick up some supplies the last day before heading for home. Repeated "Bless you!"-s once he realized that the stack of leftover cash included quite a few 20$ bills.

In short, he obviously needed them more than I, so I gave what I could.

Oh, and if it counts, I often give to buskers as some of them are actually pretty good.

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Norwegians saw this:

And said "What if we weren't stupid and used it for something good"

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SelfHigh5reply
lemmy.world

I’ve lived in Norway for 5 years now. The only people I see asking for money are well known to locals, and I suspect that the majority of them weren’t born here either and have been forced to do this by someone else, who is perhaps holding their passports? Idk, it’s almost all women or disabled men that… don’t look Norwegian, and they all hive signs with Vipps numbers (cashapp/venmo for those not familiar). There is also one Norwegian guy in town who is always hustling people and tourists with the same story about how he just needs money for the train ride to Voss, so he can go to rehab there. I came here from San Francisco so it was a huge culture shock to see so few down on their luck, and even then, largely keeping out of your face. I don’t feel threatened, I just feel badly for them.

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Yeah, there was this trend starting 15-20ish years ago where people from Eastern Europe came here to beg. Apparently it's profitable to travel all the way to set up shop. I never give these people anything. If they truly were so down on their luck as they claim to be, they probably would not be able to invest the necessary resources into traveling across the continent to begin with.

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My grandmother who raised me always did the "I don't have any money on me" thing. And I always followed suit until pretty recently. But I got to thinking more about it and eventually concluded that I should always keep a $20 or two in my pocket ready to give.

And then the pandemic came along and I didn't go out much. And now I work from home full time and don't often go anywhere that I'm likely to run into folks asking for money. But I have put that into practice a few times and felt good about it.

There was a woman with a sign standing outside the post office. I ignored her on the way in with the intention of giving her a $20 on the way out. And I made good on that intention. It was scary, but only because I'm kindof an agoraphobe. Heh.

I do have the means to go handing out $20s willy-nilly. And of course with how infrequently I'm likely to pass folks asking for money out in the world, the rate at which I give is tiny. But I do give when that situation comes up.

I'm not saying you should give $20s out to folks. But if your financial situation is stable, I'd say you should give what you can in those situations.

And the fact that these thoughts/questions/concerns are rattling around in your mind are probably a sign of personal growth, so good on you for that.

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I’ve struggled with this like you for years. My empathy fights with my practicality.

I usually carry some cash and if I have small bills I may give a buck or two to someone. This is more and more rare for me because it’s hard to know who really needs it.

More often, I usually just smile and look them in the eye to acknowledge their humanity. If they ask I just say I’m sorry I don’t have cash.

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I don't carry cash on me. I'm mostly not lying. It's rare that I have any. I use my phone for 99% of my daily purchases.

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lemmy.zip

May not be the most polite thing to do, but when outside I always wear headphones walk at fast pace and don't hear anyone no matter who speaks to be.

I've noticed that as long as I have my headphones on, even if they aren't playing, most ppl won't speak to me anyway.

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I used to take public transportation and wore those big, over-the-ear headphones (can’t stand the piss poor audio quality of earbuds) and for whatever reason it attracted more people trying to talk to me. I never understood that.

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Depends. I probably give more frequently than the average person. I live in an area with a lot of unhoused people and every encounter is different. I have seen the same people panhandling certain areas and I typically skip those, sometimes it's someone selling a newspaper specifically made for unhoused people to sell and I'll tend to buy one from them, sometimes it's someone asking by a store and I'll tell them I'll get them on the way out, if they're obviously not crazy or aggressive in response then yea I do give them something on the way out if I can. One guy walks straight up into traffic with his dog and it's never for him. Sometimes I'll have a bottle of water in the car and I will tend to give that rather than money for the intersection people.

I guess it's vibes whether I give or not. If the vibe is obviously off or dangerous, nah. I will admit to stereotyping this scenario but if it's a lady with a headscarf with kids...no that is a f'ed up scam.

But often it's just someone asking and they're not being aggressive and I'll hand them a buck and nine times out of ten they say thank you or God bless you. 1 time out 10 it isn't as nice or they might ask for more. I don't belong to a church but in some ways I like the idea of tithing so I have reframed a lot of giving out some money directly as part of that. I donate to orgs too. At the end of the day, they're people. I have no clue if or how we can solve the homelessness crisis but I have to keep reminding myself that they're people. So I try to just think of it as if I have it today this could really benefit them and it won't cost me too much to throw a buck their way.

We are also living in an era of increased fear and I am actively just trying to see people for whoever they are and having more small interactions with whoever. Striking up a little small talk with the cashier or people in line. Cracking a joke to a stranger if we both saw something kinda funny. Trying not to be naive about it and using my best judgement but I think we are losing our ability to just be with each other more and more. We all want to live in a community and have a nice neighborhood. The reality is I chose to live where I do and my community has a lot of unhoused people so I have to accept they are a part of my community. I don't believe in gated HOA type living for myself, so why should I expect that level of conformity and comfort? I'll face more discomfort but try to still live within my values in the face of it.

Aaaaand the edible has kicked in.

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AmidFurorreply
fedia.io

Are you sure you do all those things while you're trying to get from point A to B like the OP, or you're carving out separate time to go do those things? Seems like you couldn't accomplish anything else downtown if you're feeding and arranging medical care and housing for every panhandler you come across.

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I just tell them I've only got my card on me and keep walking.

As physical money is becoming more and more obsolete this is becoming less of a lie. And I certainly don't carry change on me anymore.

I used to give them whatever small change/bills I had on me, but then I realized that effectively added up to another monthly bill and I'm trying to save up for a home and need to have rainy day money in case my car eats shit. I vote to help them every chance I get and that is enough. If that isn't enough, then that's our system's fault, not my personal fault.

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Keep an amount of change on you that you won’t miss, it doesn’t have to be 20s or even 1s. Even if it’s just 20 or 30 cents, it will be appreciated. And if it’s not, that person either has some serious mental health issues that are making them lash out (most likely) or they’re scamming (unlikely but not impossible). You’re not going to look like the asshole in that situation if you just walk away.

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When I lived in a city I never gave money but I did offer canned or sealed food. I have also given away my used camping gear.

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I don't usually give money but I do acknowledge them. Usually try to look them in the face and say "sorry I don't have any cash" or something like that. From having spent time with a few of them (I used to work the night shift at a restaurant and often let people hang out or have a coffee), something that hurts many of them is the dehumanization.

Of course if its not just someone asking for money but someone clearly having a mental breakdown, I do my best not to engage because you never know how that could be taken.

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I lived in a rough neighborhood for a good while. It hardens you to it a bit. I just say I don’t have anything for them.

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Shake my head, say "sorry man, God bless," and keep walking. I'm not religious, but they often are.

Donate to real charities that actually help people change their lives, or to food banks or shelters that support them. Giving to individuals feels nicer (or worse to avoid) due to the directness, but is ultimately not as helpful.

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Sometimes I give, sometimes I don't, kinda depends if I have cash.

As a reasonably sized man, I also try to make eye contact and give a polite "Sorry I don't have anything today." For those who really need the help and are trying like hell to get it, I can't imagine the insult to injury you must feel to not only not get help but also to be treated as though you are invisible. I like to at least let people who ask know that I can see them.

If you're in a legitimately dangerous place or you feel you may be at risk in some way maybe don't do this though.

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I give whatever change I have, but when that's gone:

"Sorry. I get paid electronically and pay for damn near everything electronically, the only time I touch cash I have to pay extra to get it."

now I have been hit with the: can you venmo me five?

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What I used to do when I lived in an area with a decent number of homeless people, was offer to get them some food, if I had the time for it. I'd walk somewhere with them, say what do you want I'll grab it for you, and come out and hand it to them. It was honestly a little bit awkward to do it without feeling like a ponce, making conversation with the person or whatnot feeling condescending, but whatever.

I would say the majority would discount the suggestion. I didn't feel the slightest bit bad saying no you can't have any money then. A minority would be really into the idea and clearly fucking light up at the idea of having their hands on a sandwich. Those dudes I felt like it was important that they get their sandwich.

I also knew a guy who used to be homeless, volunteered with homeless services and substance abuse programs and etc, spent a ton of time on it. He never gave money on the street. He got very bitter about the subject, he just said that it doesn't help them. Make of that what you will, I don't really know the ins and outs, but that's what he said.

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lemmy.world

I’d be much more likely to give money to someone trying to sell something or offering a service. They don’t even try anymore. Miss the old gas can routine.

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I once had a gas can man try to sell me the same story twice in the parking lot of my job weeks apart from one another. "Yeah I came up with my wife and kids and we ran out of gas..."

I didn't fall for it the first time and the second time was pure enjoyment as he obviously didnt recognize me, so I got to witness his song and dance with "secret insider knowledge."

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If I'm entering a place that has food of any kind I'll just ask what they want, I've rarely been asked for something that exceeds $5-10. More often than not they eat, pack up their stuff and leave after that. They feel acknowledged, I feel good for helping and I also hopefully didn't contribute to the drug issue.

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programming.dev

I almost never have cash or even change now, so that's what I tell them. I used to give them some money if I had it and wasn't immediately going to use it. One of my old friends used to give them a beer out of a pack he bought if there was a person outside the store or on the corner begging on the drive to wherever he was going.

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I give to the obviously mentally impaired ones the most. The last person I gave a 20 to looked straight through me as he talked to god. There is only so much you can do. I know it sucks.

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Yeah, they don't do that where I live. They get housed and fed by the government. The only people begging are Roma. And there are laws preventing people from approaching you so they have to settle for sitting on the street corner with signs.

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midwest.social

But I can understand what you were saying :)

Do you want me to rewrite it for you how I would say it?

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midwest.social

I would say that like this:

I experienced this once. When I was 22, I gave out about 10 dollars and kept being asked (I was too shy to say no!) I ended up giving out 50 dollars. I took it out of the money I had saved for college.

But you really did great and it was a good story

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You’re welcome. If you ever want me to do it again just let me know :) I am very impressed by anyone learning more than one language. I only really know this one.

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samus12345reply
sh.itjust.works

Here's how Google translates what you said into Simplified Chinese:

我曾经经历过,在我 22 岁的时候。我捐了大约 10 美元,然后一直被问到(我太害羞了,不敢拒绝!)所以最后我捐了 50 美元,全部是我在学校和大学学到的。语法不好,抱歉

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lemmy.zip

My brother has told me many times before that giving them money ain't gonna do nothing because that's money that they can use for drugs if they're addicted. He says buying them food is better.

As messed up as it is, kinda gotta agree, especially since zi don't know who's an addict and who's not.

I normally ignore them because I don't keep physical cash on me unless I'm making an as discrete as possible purchase. It may sound kinda cruel, but I find it easy for me to just ignore them and pretend they don't exist. Don't know whether that's more of a personality thing with me or because of my autism already making me less likely to wanna deal with people in general.

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My name is not "hey mister" so I don't think it's rude to ignore. Especially since they're going to give you a line about having to get gas to visit their kid. Let's skip the lying and get right to the point.

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I live in a big city of an decently big country. Here we got many of them particularly around large train stations. I never give to them any money. Reason is - this country has a safety system in order to help people in need like this. If homeless people go against the rules (crime, drugs, abuse of the system) they get kicked out of the shelters. They get help with all sorts of things there and if they really are in dire situation and want to get back to normal life, they would get all necessary help they ever need and more. If they got kicked out, I believe they didn't really wanted to get back their normal life. And in some cases, I see just youth smoking weed on the side of the street and begging for money. They are not in need, they have families and homes. They just collect money for weed. Fuck those guys, really.

I give money to street performers all the time. This brings life and color to the city.

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i gave them once, only realized they were lying about thier injury, never again. i just dont have money, but some homeless people can be aggressive/passive aggressive if you dont give them money.

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Peacefully coexisting is the hope imo. Just leave people alone, offer help if you can, otherwise wish them well.

Anyone harassing either has drug or mental issues, not much you can do but limit interactions.

Sound like asylums may be returning, so that will probably be horrible.

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Someone isn't entitled to your money. Just say no and move on. Don't specify. They aren't entitled to know if you have money on your person. They aren't entitled to know if you can or can't spare it. One word no. No and move on with your day. No isn't sending them to prison camps. No isn't voting against benefits that ensure people at least get fed if not sheltered. Say no even if you DO donate to charities that help people. 50 50 that person is living off begging until he's got enough to buy the next hit or the next bottle.

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If you don't have the means to help with what they're asking for, a quick "Sorry, can't help today" and going about your business is they way to go. It's not a full on engagement, but it is an acknowledgement.

Back when I was a smoker, if I didn't have means to help with cash but had some smokes to spare and a little time I'd say "No, but if you smoke I can share one with you" and, if they were into it, stop and chat for a cigarette break's length of time. Lots of factors to consider here before doing that, but for the most part people enjoyed the acknowledgement for a few minutes. YMMV.

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Its not like you can say “oh no, I donate to services that help the needy” because that person isn’t necessarily being helped by that.

I had a friend say exactly that to someone. When I asked them further about it, they said, "he knows where to find a cot." That was more convincing to me before I listened to the "According to Need," Podcast. It looked at homelessness in the Bay Area (where we live) and getting a bed is nearly impossible.

I don't usually give money cause I rarely carry small bills. But sometimes. And I will without fail buy food for anyone who asks.

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Lucreply
lemmy.world

Like ten years back, in a Finnish abandoned soap factory turned into hackerspace, I jokingly asked if I can pay by card for something silly. My jaw almost dropped as this private individual whips out a legit card reader and says yes. The devices are somewhat common now but that was my first interaction with it

Idk what hoops they'd require you to jump through, maybe you need to be incorporated depending on the country or so, but I'd not be too surprised if they start supporting this sooner or later

Think I've also heard about proposals or trials to transfer from phone to phone. What will be hard to not sound like a lie is that I don't have any sort of banking app on my phone... The future is bright ^^

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Yeh here in australia anyone can go buy a card reader to accept payments. I know in America you can do iphone to iphone direct payments too.

I just dont think many homeless people will have them haha

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I just say "sorry, I haven't". I think as long as you just try to acknowledge them in a good way, i.e. smiling, maintaining eye contact, being polite, so you still acknowledge them as the human being that they are.

Sure it's bad to lie, but so is being insensitive with the truth, whether it's "I wanna spend the money on myself" or "there are more effective ways to make a difference than giving money to you"

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If I know, I‘ll probably pass someone asking for money, I try to have some change prepared, so I don’t have to get out my wallet. (Where I live, there are just a few places where that’s likely. ) I usually just say no if unprepared. My basic assumption is that someone asking for money in the streets is worse off than me, so it’s nice if I can help. But then again, if I don’t feel safe, I won’t give anything and since I can’t help everyone I don’t feel bad not giving anything.

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Ignore them.

My city has the programs in place for them to get off the street. All they need to do is go into a program that will get them off drugs and to not use drugs in the provided apartments.

As such, if they are on the street, it is because they value drugs over living.

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Catoblepasreply
piefed.blahaj.zone

“Just don’t be an addict bro” is a non-solution to homelessness re: no drug use in apartments. Relapse is a normal and expected part of addiction, and expecting them to be perfect or they lose their housing is a great way to make people more likely to relapse.

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Oh no, about 80% of them when asked refuse the housing outright. Its not a matter of them slipping through the very real cracks.

Its that they want to do drugs. Also note: it wasnt do zero drugs. It was dont do drugs in the provided housing. We have safe injection sites for that.

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Can I get a source on any of those claims?

80% of people refusing free housing is suspect if literally the only condition is ‘don’t do drugs in it’ and there are safe injection spots nearby. Safe injection spots don’t help someone who has to take 2 buses and an hour to get there.

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I live in Seattle and have this happen all the time. The answer is "sorry, I don't have any cash on me."

I once had someone ask if I could venmo them some money, and once had someone ask if I had bitcoin. Crazy world.

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I usually don't give money, but once a year give 100€ or so to our local homeless support organization, who are also regularly giving out meals and coffee.

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I don't really carry cash due to devaluation of currency in my country(our biggest banknote can buy 1 kg of chicken as a reference) but I typically carry some biscuits with me, so I'd offer it.

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Depends on if they are playing me out. I've hung out and drank or smoked weed with homeless people if they were authentic. If not they can fuck off and their evil can bring them suffering.

The same goes with anyone else, mainstream or street.

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Depending on how they ask, it's either a short polite "no" or I just ignore them (it's mostly the former, thankfully). I rarely, if ever, have cash on me. And although it sometimes happen, I'm not exactly safe from a single bad month putting me under anyway.

Something I won't do is insult/harass/otherwise make them even more miserable. If I can't help them, I'm sure as hell won't make things worse for them.

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I feel really guilty and to avoid feeling worse by making eye contact, I just ignore them. The first time I encountered somebody homeless after being on my own, I felt like a huge asshole because all I could say was sorry while walking by them with grocery's. I didn't have cash on me at the time. Ever since then, I've just always ignored them. I'm what they call a hypocrite. Sucks

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sh.itjust.works

It's not honest but effective:

Make and maintain eye contact from at least 20 feet away, when you're close enough to be heard: ask them if they have any spare change.

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Why be an asshole to a homeless person? What are you, an American?

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Give them some cash, if I have a little extra. I recommend carrying a little change if you live in an area with regular homeless folks.

I used to bring a particular homeless guy who hung around my block a sandwich on my way to work, and a beer when walking my dog on Friday nights (if I saw him, for either occurrence). That was all when I lived in a different city though.

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I have given sporadically in the past, depending on how poor I was at the time, etc.

I don't carry cash at all anymore, though.

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i used cash alot up until i finally got a real credit card, safer to carry around than cash.

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“No” “no thanks” or “sorry, no”

I vote and contact my elected officials to tell them to provide unrestricted supportive housing.

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Say "no sorry" and move along, its not a problem for individuals to solve.

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I usual walk around with some small cash, change, etc, and definitely give it out as I'm walking until I'm out.

I just keep a mental note of it and skip the next coffee or odd lunch date, so my budget evens ~ out.

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I'll give sometimes if they're not pushy. If i don't want to, sometimes I'll tell them "I just gave all my change to that guy back there"

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I hate when they come by the car and look in your car.. if you move a little they think your gonna give them money..

Sucks I know but come on what’s up with the pressure ?

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I give what I can when I can. It's rare to have actual cash, but if it's close to a restaurant I just ask if they want food or drink and buy them something with my card. Takes 5 minutes and is just a small act of kindness and support from another person. Most people don't even acknowledge they exist, let alone talk to them.

Life under capitalism seriously sucks for all of us (except a few hundred people), if I can maybe help make someone's day a little less shitty I'll try.

I don't mean this in a judgemental way at all, but just remember that they are humans too, just like you or I. Most people do not realize just how insanely lucky they are to be able to do basic things like work and have a house and car and have money and all that many people don't get the same opportunities and are dealt a bad hand in life through no fault of theirs. One big medical bill can make someone homeless in this system. Don't feel bad or awkward about having some resources that others don't have, but you can also slow down and share a little.

Treat other people how you would want to be treated if roles reversed. Simple as that.

Again, I don't mean to make anyone feel bad for not giving. I also don't mean to elevate myself in the least, I'm not any better than you, I'm just trying to help people see the humanity in others regardless of money.

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sopuli.xyz

I say I don't have cash. It's true but tbh I wouldn't give any if I had. It just goes to alcohol and/or drugs.

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I mean shit, that's what I'm gonna spend it on too so how can I judge

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dogs0nreply
sh.itjust.works

hi i'll take 2 drugs please, please accept this kinder surprise egg as payment

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I think they use ramen as an actual currency in prison, because they cant hold real cash, so that makes sense to me. Outside of prison its probably not something to worry about.

In any case you are doing more good than most of us.

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i give them money, just $10. I feel bad and I'll be thinking about it all day. Even if they do something wrong with it at least they know someone cared

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Unfortunately, I've had my fair share of ungrateful ones that kind of ruin it for everyone. Not even a thank you, just rip it off my hand and walk away like I'm a nuisance. I'm much more selective nowadays, but I do give occasionally.

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alot of them lie to get money for drugs, they lie "oh i had a broken leg, or arm" but they are walking perfectly normally. i generally have to ignore them, also one time they came to a residential area once asking for some strange things.

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