You only felt what electricity did to you, not what electricity feels, it probably feels like Rogue from Xmen where when it touches someone it hurts them so it will not be able to experience love so its sad and angry
Have you never been charged to thousands of volts? You can feel the static electric charge as it directly affects your body hair
Additionally there is evidence humans can sense magnetic fields, with some populations always knowing where north is, and using cardinal directions in place of forward, backwards, left, right, front, and back
Outsiders who have spent time with those people have learnt to sense their orientation.
First of all, there are no "inductive fields". There are electric and magnetic fields and what you can feel or sometimes hear are the electric fields.
Edit: I don't understand all the downvotes, but whatever. Specifically what you can hear near high voltage power lines sometimes is partial discharge which is caused by high electric field strengths.
Electromagnetic fields induce electric fields, so you're saying these inductive fields that you can feel are electric fields or do you feel the magnetic field of the induced currents?
An induced magnetic field is how you feel electricity around high voltage. What even is your argument here because what you're saying in large part makes no sense.
My argument is that you can't feel magnetic fields. What is yours, because all you write is utter nonsense. Electric fields are induced, not magnetic fields, it's called Faraday's law of induction, inductive field is not a technical term. You get a magnetic field from an induced current which is caused by the electric field in a conductor.
When PD, arcing or sparking occurs, electromagnetic waves propagate away from the fault site in all directions which contact the transformer tank and travel to earth (ground cable) where the HFCT is located to capture any EMI or EMP within the transformer, breaker, PT, CT, HV Cable, MCSG, LTC, LA, generator, large hv motors, etc.
Yes, EM-Waves consist of an Electric and an orthogonal Magnetic field, these are linked, one can't exist without the other, otherwise you wouldn't get a wave. Partial discharge which is a form of corona discharge is caused by Electric fields.
You're citing random parts of a wikipedia article that talks about an effect caused by an electric field and claim that it's caused by a magnetic field. You're an unscientific troll.
I may be an outlier here, but I've experienced mild electric shock from touching a random bare cable sticking out of a wall, and I found it weirdly pleasant. Refreshing, almost.
Fellow electrician here, I'm convinced that electricity is magic. I've only been in electric for 2 years or so, but I'll be damned if I know how that shit works. The copper touches together and that equals light, or motors spinning, or whatever have you. How? Idk, smarter people figured that out, I'm just here to make sure the damned drywallers don't cover up our magic copper
Look up "potential difference" and that should make everything make a little more sense.
Basically, the voltage component of electricity wants to flow where the potential is less than itself. In a 120v circuit, the neutral is bonded to ground at the main for a reference of 0v, and you hot leg will find the path of least resistance to that 0v (through the devices we put in line of that circuit, be it lights, motors, etc). The current, or load, in amps, is the work being done by those devices in conjunction with the designed resistance.
Think of a simple incandescent light bulb. The filament has a certain level of resistance that's designed to sustain a glow when power is applied to it. The 120v potential, trying to reach 0v ground, passes through that filament (the load), making it glow (the current draw is the amount of amps necessary to achieve its full brightness). A motor is similar; power passes through the windings, generating a magnetic field that react with magnets and spin the motor.
Basically, your voltage drives the power through its path to ground, and current is drawn by work being done. V multiplied by A is Watts (kW), or power consumed.
This is somehow more offensive to my brain than if they'd simply said "electricity is god". The way they completely muddy the issue, making the reader not just misinformed but made to feel complacent, like there's no correct information to be found, is way more grotesque. It shuts down the mind of the reader. It's anti-education.
A number of modern scholars such as Fielding H. Garrison, Sultan Bashir Mahmood, Hossein Nasr consider modern science and the scientific method to have been greatly inspired by Muslim scientists who introduced a modern empirical, experimental and quantitative approach to scientific inquiry. Certain advances made by medieval Muslim astronomers, geographers and mathematicians were motivated by problems presented in Islamic scripture, such as Al-Khwarizmi's (c. 780–850) development of algebra in order to solve the Islamic inheritance laws,[18] and developments in astronomy, geography, spherical geometry and spherical trigonometry in order to determine the direction of the Qibla, the times of Salah prayers, and the dates of the Islamic calendar.[19] These new studies of math and science would allow for the Islamic world to get ahead of the rest of the world. ‘With these inspiration at work, Muslim mathematicians and astronomers contributed significantly to the development to just about every domain of mathematics between the eight and fifteenth centuries"[20]
Many Muslims agree that doing science is an act of religious merit, even a collective duty of the Muslim community.[61] According to M. Shamsher Ali, there are around 750 verses in the Quran dealing with natural phenomena. According to the Encyclopedia of the Quran, many verses of the Quran ask mankind to study nature, and this has been interpreted to mean an encouragement for scientific inquiry,[62] and the investigation of the truth.[62] Some include, "Travel throughout the earth and see how He brings life into being" (Q29:20), "Behold in the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of night and day, there are indeed signs for men of understanding ..." (Q3:190)
The Baha'i faith teaches that there can never be a conflict between their faith and science. Anything in the past against what science has shown to be true now is considered allegorical.
The only religions which accept and foment all science, are the atee ones (buddism, taoism..), because they are centred in the own spiritual perfection. There isn't any science which denies their philosophy, even the opposite.
"If science proves some belief of Buddhism wrong, then Buddhism will have to change."
Religion doesn't exist outside society; that dogma is determined by what is useful to those in society with the power to promote it. This is why under the multi-cultural Ottoman Empire they came up with all sorts of justifications to expand the definition of "people of the book" to include basically every significant religious minority except Hindus, and that was only a matter of time, and why fundamentalists who want to return to the 1300s were promoted funded by the British/US/Saudis.
Same applies to any ideology or philosophy. To pretend otherwise is liberal idealism.
I would like to add on, that the Islamic Goldern Age is why we still know about Greek philsophers, have the concept of algebra, or why the scientific method exists.
I think its more than what you claimed... They are just objectively incorrect facts. Many people have felt electricity, we know where it comes from, what causes it, and how to control it, even.
Stupidity is a mystery. No one has ever observed it or heard it or felt it. We can see and hear and feel only what stupidity does. We know it makes people say strange things, make poor decisions, and ignore obvious facts. But we cannot say what stupidity is like.
We cannot even say where stupidity comes from. Some say it might stem from ignorance or misinformation. Others think that social influences or emotional bias produce some of it. All everyone knows is that stupidity seems to be everywhere and that there are many ways for it to surface.
Electricity is remarkably simple. Children make machines that can make electricity since all you need to do is chemistry or move a magnet relative to a wire. You can make electricity you can feel by rubbing a balloon on your hair
We homeschooled our kids for non-religious reasons. Most of the commercially available books, materials and curriculums were Christian oriented. While I am a Christian (although not a conservative) I found some of the materials just flat out intellectually insulting, factually incorrect, extremely biased (without the benefit of scriptural justification) and the above example is far from the worst of what I saw. It says a LOT about where your faith actually lies if you have to promote a false reality to justify it.
We briefly homeschooled during the pandemic, and like you we're non-conservative Christians. When our Christian friends asked about our curriculum, they always wrinkled their noses at the fact that it said "secular curriculum" on the cover. We told them, "you don't understand how weird the home school curriculum business is. Trust me, it's way easier to take this curriculum and add the values we want to impart than to take all the Christian nationalism out of the religious curriculum."
It says a LOT about where your faith actually lies if you have to promote a false reality to justify it.
The irony is that such fundamentalists rely on so much engineering, built on layers of scientific research, for what they do (like eating. And housing. And recruitment. And printing and distributing that textbook), and... yeah. It'd be like a flat-earther in orbit. It's beyond ironic: it's just not a possible situation without the help of outsiders refuting that belief.
I have a lot more respect for the Amish, isolated monks, folks that take their beliefs seriously and consistently in their lifestyle.
My brother and sister-in-law homeschooled their kids for a while, which was a bit out of character for them. It turned out they were actually sending them to a private school that was technically "home schooling" because the parents taught the kids at home one day out of the week using school-provided materials and the kids were at the school the other four days. That one day a week allowed the technical "home schooling" designation and also allowed the school to use non-state-certified teachers (with the added bonus of being able to pay them hourly and only for four days of work a week). And all of this was only marginally cheaper than normal private schools. My bro and SIL eventually realized how shitty this was all around and moved into a good school district - which was way cheaper than private schools.
There's nothing fundamentally christian about the text in the picture above, it's just nonsense propaganda. The whole science vs religion thing is frankly bollocks too - science shouldn't be arguing about religion it's fundamentally incompatible. OP can believe in a god, believe in an afterlife - science has nothing to say on the subject, it's not testable, it's not falsifiable it's got absolutely nothing to do with science.
I was thinking about how to reply here in a meaningful way but I think your response encapsulates the core of it pretty well. Lots more I could say, but would lead to long essay and probably of limited interest to the topic at hand.
Ah yeah man, I feel ya. One thing I don't really get is why there's a subset of Christianity that wants to be so combative - like all that needs to be said is "well, yes, that's pretty clever - of course god would do it that way" or "in this we better understand our maker" instead of trying to belittle what is a clearly useful and widely applied modelling tool.
People are taught certain doctrines and will not question those doctrines - ever. If some new information conflicts with those doctrines, then their faith is being attacked.
Some are deeply invested in what a certain doctrine allows or prohibits. Think about the sick rationalizations for slavery in the US back in the 1800s supposedly based on the teachings of the Bible. (Sorry, slavery fails the "love your neighbor as yourself" test). To change their thinking means that they have to admit that they were wrong or give up some privilege or perceived position of superiority.
They self identify with those beliefs and anything that contradicts that belief is a personal attack. Basic arrogance.
From my perspective, the teachings of Christ were about humility. Admitting that you were/could be/are wrong and being willing to change. That's the whole core of acknowledging your own selfishness (sin), moving to repentance (change) and seeking God's help in that process. Being combative is not compatible with that, in my views.
as a person from across the ocean, i don't get this. why would there be need for some different curriculum for homeschooling, and why would the choice depend on the parent? how is it possible you just get to chose? don't you have to comply with some general standard? here, home-schooling is extremely rare, but if someone undergoes it, they have to use the same textbooks as everyone else and from time to time pass some exams in school to be sure the kid is not behind its peers.
The requirements for home schooling in the US vary wildly from one state to the other and can be almost devoid of any practical oversight in some circumstances. In most cases, parents have autonomy to choose their curriculum and there is a whole industry built to cater to that market. Unfortunately that includes books that deliver the kind of stupidity that we see above. Also, I think it is difficult for those outside the US to understand just how much we idolize individualism over any sense social responsibility here.
The requirements for home schooling in the US vary wildly from one state to the other and can be almost devoid of any practical oversight in some circumstances. In most cases, parents have autonomy to choose their curriculum
yeah, this is the surprising part for me, but i guess in the land of individualism it makes sense. thank you for the answer
I was homeschooled my entire childhood. My mom was a Christian. Not a crazy zealot, just a woman with faith. Initially, my school books were through a Christian curriculum program (I believe abeka books, iirc). One of my textbooks had this module on dinosaurs, with little pictures of humans in leopard print look clothes picking berries while a brontosaurus walked by in the background. My mom, ever the fantastic mother, immediately tossed those pieces of garbage and got me on the state curriculum that the public schools used. Took her forever to get it. Initially, when she called the state to ask how to get those resources she was told to stick with abeka, and was offered several other insane religious options before they finally relented. From then on, even though we lived in Virginia, my school standard came out of California, and I had to take end of year tests that aligned with the state of California. I got a great education, and because Mama let me basically choose what hours of the day I did my schoolwork in, I didn't really need to take summers off. Ended up finishing 12th grade at 14 years old. I am so thankful that she realized how bad those books were, and fought to make sure, even as a single mother working well over full time, that her kids got a good education. My brother and I both placed highest in the state when we took our final exams, in everything but math.
The thing is that back in Carboniferous, there were the first trees but no decomposers for that so the process still exists but there are other processes that make it much more unlikely
One of my favorite insane conspiracy theories is that petroleum is constantly produced and is a renewable resource but that fact is hidden from us because it would mean "they" wouldn't be able to impose carbon taxes and create more profit from other energy sources.
I suppose it isn't completly a lie. It just takes 100 million years under some pretty specific circumstances, but there's likely places where it's currently being produced naturally right now...
The theory is that there is biotic petroleum(the oil we know) formed from biomass from millions of years ago and there is abiotic petroleum that constantly forming from carbon sources deep in the Earth.
Depending on what degree of delusion, they either believe that there is more petroleum being produced than we use or there is less being produced than we need and we need to offset the deficit with other forms of energy.
As you can imagine, the believers in limitless abiotic petroleum tend to have some overlap with young Earth creationists and flat-earthers.
Well technically its still electricity created by the sun. Plants absorbed Carbon dioxide, turned it into carbon with the power of the sun, died and got buried deep below.
My American catholic school taught us that creationism is against catholic doctrine. They also taught the controversy.
My friends who went to public school got less instruction on evolution and their science teachers were obviously creationist while mine barely hid that she thought it was moronic
All of my friends who went to catholic school had the opposite experience. Evolution was handwaved away as complete nonsense, and God's benevolence was the answer for why people exist. My public school taught evolution very thoroughly, though none of my science teachers seemed creationist.
Strange. We had just enough Jesuit influence to tell us that God was why, but what and how is best understood through science. Non overlapping magesteria and whatnot.
Now thats not to say they didnt spew some shit. Hell we once got pulled out of class to look at magic bones (internet atheist Latin teacher didn't like that lol), and our Christian lifestyles class was mostly bigotry and marriage advice, but science class was for understanding the world and the scientific method.
Not sure what point you're trying to make. The seat of Catholicism in Europe and American fundamentalists have very few things in common. Even American Catholics have very little crossover with their evangelical counterparts.
The point I'm trying to make is Christianity across the globe is an absurd denial of facts and the observable world. There isn't really anything more dramatic about American Christians vs Christians in Europe or anywhere else for that matter.
I too was raised with religion (Catholicism) in the US, while my wife grew up going to Baptist churches - our childhoods could not have been more different. I was taught that studying science and the processes of observation and inquiry bring you closer to God, while for her the sciences were alternately ignored or lied about. Our family gave into the collection basket of our own will because we believed raising funds for good causes was the right thing to do. Her family was under compulsory tithing - 10% of all income. I was allowed to read whatever books, consume whatever media, and wear whatever I wanted, she was not. The list goes on...
I'm not trying to whitewash Catholicism - it obviously has its own major issues that shouldn't be ignored, but it's a far cry from the fundamentalist book burners who my family thought of as zealous nut bags.
In Germany, religious defamation is covered by Article 166 of the Strafgesetzbuch, the German criminal law. If a deed is capable of disturbing the public peace, defamation is actionable. The article reads as follows:[53]
§ 166 Defamation of religious denominations, religious societies and World view associations
(1) Whoever publicly or by dissemination of writings (§ 11 par. 3) defames, in a manner suitable to disturb the public peace, the substance of the religious or world view conviction of others, shall be fined or imprisoned for up to three years.
(2) Whoever publicly or by dissemination of writings (§ 11 par. 3) defames, in a manner suitable to disturb the public peace, a church existing in Germany or other religious society or world view association, or their institutions or customs, shall be punished likewise.
In 2006, the application of this article received much media attention when a Manfred van H. (also known as "Mahavo") was prosecuted for defamation for distributing rolls of toilet paper with the words "Koran, the Holy Koran" stamped on them.[54][55][56] The defendant claimed he wanted to protest the murder of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh in 2004 and the London bombings of 2005. Beyond the sentence he also received death threats from Islamists and needed a police bodyguard.[56]
What is called "Blasphemy law" here is just protection of religious people, in particular minorities against persecution and incitement of hatred. You know, because last time when it was en vogue in Germany it led to millions of people being exterminated for their (alleged) religious affiliation.
If such a protection is called "Blasphemy law", the same would have to be said for laws protecting LGBT, disabled people, ethnic minorities and other vulnerable groups.
What they have on the books and what they enforce/how people live, are two very different things.
I appreciate that link, it's enlightening, I didn't know some of those countries still had it on their books.
However, the actual people living in Europe (at least Western Europe) ignore pretty much all of that. Everyone blasphemies all the time, nobody cares.
If anyone's religious, they generally keep it to themselves in the EU.
If they're religious in the US, they talk about it as if everyone else is as well, and pray for you and will pray to God to heal you from whatever affliction you have.
You pretty much cant' escape the religious fanaticism that exists in the US from the people. It's got nothing to do with the laws on the books (yet, but give the Christo-fascists time...), and everything to do with the insanity that is being religious in the US and making it a part of every aspect of your life, and forcing everyone else around you to participate whether they want to or not.
I've spent a good bit of time in Europe, and never once, not even remotely, have I ever been asked anything religious or had anyone talk about God, or Jesus, or offer to pray for me, etc.
I met a Tattoo artist the other day that said he'd pray for me and that Jesus can "do all things through Christ" (which I guess is Jesus doing everything through himself?) completely unprompted and without displaying anything other than a plain black t-shirt.
This happens constantly. Everywhere in the US. And if you're anywhere near a mega church, holy shit, those people are pure insanity. I've been to sermons where people are speaking in "tongues" and yelling jibberish, flopping about on the floor during a big tent-revival thing, hitting people to smack the "demons" out of them, screaming and rolling on the ground to escape demons (or praise God, it's difficult to tell sometimes), etc.
Nothing like that exists in western Europe to my knowledge. Or if it does, nothing even close to the scale it's displayed in the US exists.
Did you see the picture of the Vatican I posted in comparison to that evangelical weirdo's little theater in the US? So much for "keeping it to themselves" there is practically a sovereign state for one branch of Christians in Europe.
They also have a ton of books saying that the universe was created in 7 days, and that when you take communion, wine and bread are literally transformed into blood and flesh of a zombie diety.
Ah yes, because changes in the interpretation of the word of God by mere mortals is different from changing the word of God.
Those weren't "days" per se, it's more like undefined segments of time. Humans weren't literally made of of clay, it's just a stand-in for god's brainstorming putty.
Ooh ooh, my turn! God made us in his image, but he doesn't actually have a dick and balls, or even a real form, but he is definitely a 'he' despite not having a biologically defined sex, so God created individually selected pronouns and put them in his bio.
Do you see how all this is absolutely absurd? I just changed the meaning of the "literal word of God" and my reasoning is a concrete as any other interpertation, it simply lacks consensus, (which is not a proof BTW). The idea that mortals can re-write the literal meaning and intent of a omnipotent deity is more absurd than stating that we aren't really sure where electicty comes from.
I’m an atheist, and that reply is kinda coming off as assholary.
Modern Catholicism has a lot to critique, but their support of science has been really good, especially compared to fundamentalist religions in the US.
As for the explanations for terms (handwaves), I’d say the Talmud started that long ago.
Yeah I went to Catholic high school in the US. Received an excellent education, which was much better than what the public schools offered. It made college very easy for me, while I watched public school graduates struggle with basic general education concepts.
“Christians” is a broad term, which includes non-Catholics. And within that group there is another huge spectrum where many fall on the crazier side.
I'll lob the ball back over the fence here. Old textbooks with outdated views of a niche sect of Christian beliefs are probably less important to most Christians than the Vatican is, even to non-Catholic Christians.
Eh. Probably not. Protestants don’t really give a rat’s ass what the Vatican thinks, and the official position of the Roman Catholic Church on creation is “Theistic Evolution,” whereas these nonsense Protestant textbooks teach that evolution isn’t real.
Source: grew up in almost as close to Catholic as a Protestant church can get, but was still taught that the office of the papacy is “a form of Antichrist.”
How much do you care about this belief that electricty is a complete mystery? Were you even aware that this was a mainstream teaching of a small sect of Christians before you saw this meme?
Please note the "Global Statistics" section which notes that evangelicals exist in over 120 different countries, including countries in Europe, South America, Africa and Asia.
How much do you care about this belief that electricty is a complete mystery? Were you even aware that this was a mainstream teaching of a small sect of Christians before you saw this meme?
I don’t care at all about “this belief that electricity is a complete mystery.” It’s not a part of any form of Christianity with which I am familiar. It strikes me as the kind of thing someone might write in a children’s textbook because they themselves don’t know what they’re talking about and aren’t going to let that stop them from selling a textbook.
But I also don’t really care what the Vatican says, except as it has an impact on the world. My beliefs, as they are, are in no way affected by the Vatican.
For what it’s worth, I was never taught this nonsense. The Christian school I attended growing up was actually a phenomenal education, lacking only in specific areas like evolution. We consistently scored higher than most other area schools on everything, including science. My understanding of electricity when finishing 8th grade and moving over to public school for high school was as good, if not better, than the average middle schooler (which isn’t, you know, a profound understanding, but also not “no one knows” either).
I don’t think this particular textbook is indicative of religious education in the US in general, and it’s clearly an old textbook based on the image, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if there is some wackjob church that teaches this shit. There are crazy people in all corners of the world, after all.
All I was saying was that, in general, Protestants are more likely to care what some old textbook says than what the Vatican says. They still teach Young Earth Creation, after all. Perhaps not this textbook though.
Yep, you long-form summarized my point. For the most part, Christians in the US do have an understanding of modern phenomena, and they aren't any crazier than most Christians anywhere else on the planet.
"Ok, so here's the theme for this one: you're in the 1890s and you've just seen your first lightbulb. All you know is it runs on electricity instead of oil, and that some fucking idiot caught some electricity in a jar during a lightning storm. Go!"
1890 would also be about 30 years after the invention of the telephone and 2 years after the invention of the strowger switch (first automated telephone switch)
"Ey, look! We gotta publish this book by the end of the week and the thermodynamics guy already wasted so much time that we're behind schedule! Pretend those people were morons, alright?! Now, c'mon, get to writing, you're on preface duty after that!"
Looking back when I was growing up I think the most nefarious thing about books like this is that printing gave a lot of implied legitimacy because it was expensive to print a book.
Speaks to how much money these people had to miseducate people.
This is the stupidest shit I have heard in my life. Ever seen fucking sparks? Ever had to deal with static electricity? What do they mean they don't know where electricity comes from? We have power plants and an entire grid to provide electricity. The ways to generate electricity is extremely well known and are common fucking knowledge... I mean I learned it as a kid from cartoons and video games.
This feels like a projection of their deity. Did they want to conflate the mystery of their god to the mystery of electricity? I guess I'm a theist now...
Good electricians might understand the theory behind it, but average ones just need to meet code without wasting too much time or materials. And to do that they follow patterns that work, patterns they learn from good electricians (or engineers).
Also, as an outsider, it seems like modern electrical code is designed so electricians don't need to use common sense. For better or worse....
When I went to a (private) Christian school our science book was called Undertstanding God's World and it was pretty wacky. I think I remember it saying dinosaurs and humans lived alongside each other. I also remember being taught plate tectonics was a lie?
I was enrolled in a Christian school for kindergarten through second grade.
I was suspended in first grade because I threw a tantrum over the teacher saying that dinosaur fossils were all fake and created to deceive people into believing evolution. According to her dinosaurs and humans coexisted before the flood, and scientists know this but carve rocks into bone shapes to fool people because atheists are evil.
Naturally, being a dinosaur obsessed little boy, I flat out rejected this hypothesis. My grandmother had taught me to read way above my level, and I read encyclopedia entrees on different dinosaurs before bed every night, often annoying the shit out of grandma because id ask for explanations of sentences from scientific articles as a 6 year old. So after calling the teacher a moron for the fifth time, I was sent home early. When my mother heard my side of the story, she went to the public school the next day and asked for an enrollment form.
Fuck Christian schools. Science is awesome and dinosaurs are cool.
Dinosaurs are amazing, especially when they play a suburban family that is a thinly veiled metaphor for 90s America (and to a large extent present day America) and environmentalism.
You can probably safely say plate tectonics is a lie in Texas, and not have to worry about inconvenient earthquakes to explain to the class. Try that in NZ...far more active over here.
When was this written? Also, it's not entirely untrue to say that we know what electromagnetic force does, but not what causes it. They say it's a 'fundamental force', which is basically way of saying we can't further reduce it to explain in terms of other stuff. We don't know what any of the fundamental forces (electromagnetism, gravity, and the strong and weak nuclear forces) really are - we can only describe their effects on the world with maths ('what they do')
Given it has a (good quality) color photo attached to it, it was definitely published when we already understood the theory of electricity really well, so it doesn't get a pass.
We don’t know what any of the fundamental forces (electromagnetism, gravity, and the strong and weak nuclear forces) really are
I'd argue that for fundamental forces, "what they are" and "what they do" is the same, by definition.
And in any case, mains supply in your home is not just electromagnetic waves vibing around, it's electrons engineered to move through wires in very specific ways, transferring power from a moving magnet or (increasingly) a photon falling on a semiconductor junction, to move another magnet, heat up some metal, or (increasingly) bounce around some electrons between some semiconductor junctions and then emit photons from other semiconductors junctions.
Finally, most of the text is bullshit even if you don't think we know what fundamental forces "are":
No one has ever felt it
You can easily feel electric discharge. Just rub your hair on some wool.
No one has ever heard it
Just be around a thunderstorm. Thunder is the sound of an electric discharge.
It was written by a complete and utter buffoon, and it can't be redeemed with any amount of handwaving or philosophizing over what it means to "know" or what things "are". Either that or it's satire (which might well be the case).
Given it has a (good quality) color photo attached to it, it was definitely published when we already understood the theory of electricity really well, so it doesn't get a pass.
It's even worse than that. Electric lighting predates the photo camera by several decades
I'd argue we didn't fully understand the theory of electricity until we understood the atomic structures of metals and semiconductors, and that was properly developed in the early 20th century.
"That's not you observing electricity, that's just seeing something electricity does heathen."
Those guys probably.
Their argument seems to be that since you can't actually see it, as in you can't pump electricity into a clear pipe and see flowing through the pipe like water. That "science" must just be lying to you.
What they're saying best I can decipher is that seeing that bolt of lightning or that arc from a wire isn't you setting the "electricity" itself. It's you seeing something that it's doing. Like the arc is a shadow puppet and "electricity" as they define it is the hand casting the shadow.
What they essentially want is for you to be able to take a picture of a lightning bolt and zoom in to see the individual electrons moving through the air. Fundamentally entirely misunderstanding how science says electricity works.
I think you’re on the right track. It’s like they heard “you can’t hold and observe an electron” and just really ran with that but missed all the actual nuance behind it. Still baffling why they would print this, seeming to point to on something like only god knows how electricity works while there’s a person using a very clearly engineered device and electric socket.
This is the basis for their entire “understanding” of the world. It’s how they thank god when a doctor heals them. It’s how they can say that something produced by the scientific process (vaccines) are bad, but then enjoy so many of the benefits of the exact same process (pain meds). “God did it” is the ultimate willful ignorance.
Well, from someone who studied electrical theory in a 'normal' university, the author isn't completely off base in that we know what electricity is but not why electricity is.
science doesn't determine why, it determines how to the best of our abilities. why implies purpose and/or intent, which isn't something science measures.
Oh we do measure why's, that's the point of social sciences. You just have to accept that purpose and intent don't exist in a vacuum and are the result of human perception and expression then study it as such. As a human phenomenon. From philosophy to psychology, there's a vast body of analysis on the why of many things. Cultural artifacts for example are the equivalent of batteries, where meaning is concentrated, captured and can be measured, studied and analysed.
This appears to be stupid, and it is, but it's mostly evil. Teaching children to accept absurdities and distrust evidence to make them easier to control.
Conservatism needs its masses of ignorant and near-illiterate electorate who cannot think for themselves and cannot use critical thinking to realize how badly they are being hoodwinked. This hollowing out of the educational system has been done on purpose to bulk up the Republican electorate.
Used to live across the street from a Freewill Baptist Church.
Always curious about other beings mindsets, went and attended a service.
Walked through the main door and felt the trope of crickets chirping. No one greeted me, said hello, welcome, nothing. I was stared at but never acknowledged.
The service was strictly talking. No hyms or singing.
The sermon told me they are creationists that believe "Singing and dancing lead to temptation".
Point is their "educational materials" were horrifying. Mostly just fear mongering and advising self segregation from reality.
Electricity is the flow of electrons, (negative charge,) caused by one substance gaining electrons, and one substance losing electrons in a redox reaction. The thing that is oxidized loses electrons, and the substance that is reduced gains electrons. Oxidation is visible in nature via Rust. Water and oxygen gain electrons that are lost by the pure iron creating an iron oxide that is reddish brown. (Batteries have a + and - sign, hooking them up into a loop with a device creates the electricity that powers the device. Everyday batteries utilize zinc and a magnese oxide, but there are many other types of materials that are used in other types of batteries.) 25 years of this Christian faith homeschool bullshit; pretty clear why these dipshits voted trump.
I have seen electric, it’s blue and I have even felt it, it hurts. Also I know where it comes from, it comes from the walls, there’s an electric sockets for it.
I know people in my day to day who dont belive the earth is more than 2k years old, who believe there were never "cavemen", and dinosaurs weren't real. Baffling. This person is rich and has a ton of land. Education dont mean shit in freedom land.
Replace 'electricity' with 'wind' and/or 'moving air' and/or 'breath', and now you understand what Proto-Judaic Canaanites circa 800 BCE thought 'spirit' was.
In creaciontist Schoolbooks Earth is still 6000 Years old, there is nothing which has changed. For creacionists, all answer is in the Bible, not in science facts, as in an interview "The human made globalwarming is a lie, the humans can't change the creacion of God", creacionism in action. Trump is one of these.
That is the problem of religion, they confuse faith with knowledge. Believing in something is always personal and never can be promoted or even imposed as truth, this is why religion is so harmfull, not the believes or faith of individuals. Religion only creates ignorants and hypocrits.
As a kid, I used to purposely stick my fingers between prongs while plugging Christmas lights in in order to electrocute myself. It's shocking that I came out from that unscathed.
Oh wow. It's been a long time since just reading a thing made me physically nauseous. I crave for the person responsible for these lies to suffer excruciating punishment. It breaks my heart having to accept that justice is dead and they will very likely never face consequences.
It's been revised since this edition. I was homeschooled with the "for Christian Schools" textbooks (and was sent to college at the University that produced them) I was just young enough to get the newer editions as they were being rewritten, my cousins who were 4 grades ahead of me weren't as lucky and had the version shown in the picture. The versions I had were slightly better, they at least didn't have this particular nonsense in them. But they still all taught a very warped view of science, and I was in my mid-twenties before I stopped believing in Creationism. The last ~10 years since then has taken both a lot of work to learn about reality, but has also been quite a lot of fun. Science is really cool if you aren't stopping all the time to try to fit God in somehow.
I refuse to believe that anyone can be this incompetent. What is the strategy here? How would religious extremists profit from creating the "myth" of electricity? I'm more confused than anything else, honestly.
It conditions them into believing that there are powerful and mysterious forces at work in the world that can't be explained but must be taken on faith. If they get into the habit of looking for answers to questions, they might start asking other inconvenient questions. My sunday school teacher had a similar spiel about how god was like the wind, we couldnt see or touch him but we could see the effects of his actions.
That is really clever. Soften them up slowly but surely. Infest their world view with this nonsense and then one day they will be ready for the sales pitch.
Funny, I heard the exact same explanation for Dark Matter. But the context was 'so we know, there's something there, we cannot explain, which is why we need to study more or even rethink what we thought to know about gravity/the universe'. Science is awesome!
Reality is actually magic (ie, fundamentally incomprehensible and inconsistent), and our magic guide book, and my interpretation of said magic guide book, is more correct than any other book or person, because this book says it is, and says it is the bestest magical book, and I am the bestest knower of the magic book.
It is magical thinking, a worldview based on a psuedo reality derived from psuedo logic (where psuedo means 'fake', 'impostor', 'sham'), which is a key component of many cults and also severe psychological disorders.
Not only can you see it and feel it, you can also hear and smell it! They have clearly never seen lightning, heard thunder, been electrocuted or smelled the ozone.
This is a great example of how conspiracy theories are: There are some bits that are quite true, but they are connected in such a weird and completely wrong way that you wonder how it even came to this.
People who were not homeschooled in a christian fundamentalist household in the last 30 years.
People who just havent seen the post before.
People who forgot they've seen the post, then see it again and get a chuckle out of it.
People who havent had all the joy ripped out of them.
I think putting your effort into creating the memes of the new forefront instead of complaining about reposted content might be more a constructive and fruitful effort.
It isn't certainly old, but creationism is still used in US schools, with not better content. I remember a US delegation not so many years ago, wanting creationism as an alternative teaching in European schools and their anger when they were sent to comb the desert.
Even in religious schools the religion is separated from academic teaching. This is not the case in the US, where creationism and also scientology are taught as themes equivalent to real science, even in universities.
Entshitification is impossible to completely avoid, even here, when so much of the internet's content is recycled or reposted from the most influential sites
Electrician here, I've certainly felt electricity, and it sure ain't pleasant.
And those generation alternators must be very confused.
Masochist here, you're wrong
Sadist here. You're right.
Appeaser here: You both make very good points.
AI here: wow, such a great and thoughtful comment! Thanks for adding to the channel.
Grok here: Regarding "white genocide" in South Africa,
You dropped that : —
As a non-electrician, I've also felt electricity and can confirm, it is indeed not pleasant.
It really hertz
Must've been an AC
You can resist it
You only felt what electricity did to you, not what electricity feels, it probably feels like Rogue from Xmen where when it touches someone it hurts them so it will not be able to experience love so its sad and angry
Have you never been charged to thousands of volts? You can feel the static electric charge as it directly affects your body hair
Additionally there is evidence humans can sense magnetic fields, with some populations always knowing where north is, and using cardinal directions in place of forward, backwards, left, right, front, and back
Outsiders who have spent time with those people have learnt to sense their orientation.
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You did not feel electricity, you felt what it did to your body 🤓
And your heart felt the frequency 🤓🤓 assuming AC.. hope you do your regular ECG 🫶🏻
No no, work around hv and you'll feel electricity even if you're not doing hot work a lot of the time you can feel the inductive fields around you.
First of all, there are no "inductive fields". There are electric and magnetic fields and what you can feel or sometimes hear are the electric fields.
Edit: I don't understand all the downvotes, but whatever. Specifically what you can hear near high voltage power lines sometimes is partial discharge which is caused by high electric field strengths.
Electromagnetic induction is what you're feeling and it is indeed creating an inductive field.
Electromagnetic fields induce electric fields, so you're saying these inductive fields that you can feel are electric fields or do you feel the magnetic field of the induced currents?
An induced magnetic field is how you feel electricity around high voltage. What even is your argument here because what you're saying in large part makes no sense.
My argument is that you can't feel magnetic fields. What is yours, because all you write is utter nonsense. Electric fields are induced, not magnetic fields, it's called Faraday's law of induction, inductive field is not a technical term. You get a magnetic field from an induced current which is caused by the electric field in a conductor.
Confidently incorrect.
What kind of fields?
Electromagnetic ones!
Yes, EM-Waves consist of an Electric and an orthogonal Magnetic field, these are linked, one can't exist without the other, otherwise you wouldn't get a wave. Partial discharge which is a form of corona discharge is caused by Electric fields.
Neat. So tell me, am I wrong in any of my statements this far. No? So what is the point of this tedious interaction?
You're citing random parts of a wikipedia article that talks about an effect caused by an electric field and claim that it's caused by a magnetic field. You're an unscientific troll.
Ah but your nerves rely on electricity so actually you only feel electricity, checkmate athiests
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By that definition you don't see or feel anything 🤡
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It feels like angry
and smells like burneding.
Would you say like an angry god smiting you? That is how lightning must feel like.
Those pesky pixies do have a penchant for producing pain.
Point properly presented.
It depends, with enough A's, you don't notice anything (anymore)
I may be an outlier here, but I've experienced mild electric shock from touching a random bare cable sticking out of a wall, and I found it weirdly pleasant. Refreshing, almost.
Mrs Doyle touching bare cables because it makes her feel alive feels like the actual plot of a father Ted episode
And this is how people get into electroplay...I, uh, assume.
Wait—I could have been physically enjoying the torture, rather than getting off on the dom’s pleasure??
Perhaps it's time we call the men in white coats
Or did you felt it? vsauce music
No! You only felt what it does.
Get charged to a few thousand volts, and you will feel the electric charge pushing your hairs away from each other
You'll feel the electric fields just as you feel a breeze
Now listen here you little shit
Fellow electrician here, I'm convinced that electricity is magic. I've only been in electric for 2 years or so, but I'll be damned if I know how that shit works. The copper touches together and that equals light, or motors spinning, or whatever have you. How? Idk, smarter people figured that out, I'm just here to make sure the damned drywallers don't cover up our magic copper
Look up "potential difference" and that should make everything make a little more sense.
Basically, the voltage component of electricity wants to flow where the potential is less than itself. In a 120v circuit, the neutral is bonded to ground at the main for a reference of 0v, and you hot leg will find the path of least resistance to that 0v (through the devices we put in line of that circuit, be it lights, motors, etc). The current, or load, in amps, is the work being done by those devices in conjunction with the designed resistance.
Think of a simple incandescent light bulb. The filament has a certain level of resistance that's designed to sustain a glow when power is applied to it. The 120v potential, trying to reach 0v ground, passes through that filament (the load), making it glow (the current draw is the amount of amps necessary to achieve its full brightness). A motor is similar; power passes through the windings, generating a magnetic field that react with magnets and spin the motor.
Basically, your voltage drives the power through its path to ground, and current is drawn by work being done. V multiplied by A is Watts (kW), or power consumed.
This is somehow more offensive to my brain than if they'd simply said "electricity is god". The way they completely muddy the issue, making the reader not just misinformed but made to feel complacent, like there's no correct information to be found, is way more grotesque. It shuts down the mind of the reader. It's anti-education.
That is the sense of religion and because it is so used by goverments. Ignorant and submisive people are easier to dominate and manipulate.
Holy crap that art is freakily accurate to reality
Actually there is also religions promoting science and research.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_attitudes_towards_science
Yes, but the religious accapt only the amount of science until it don't denies their dogma.
The Baha'i faith teaches that there can never be a conflict between their faith and science. Anything in the past against what science has shown to be true now is considered allegorical.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%CA%BC%C3%AD_views_on_science
The only religions which accept and foment all science, are the atee ones (buddism, taoism..), because they are centred in the own spiritual perfection. There isn't any science which denies their philosophy, even the opposite.
Dalai Lama
Religion doesn't exist outside society; that dogma is determined by what is useful to those in society with the power to promote it. This is why under the multi-cultural Ottoman Empire they came up with all sorts of justifications to expand the definition of "people of the book" to include basically every significant religious minority except Hindus, and that was only a matter of time, and why fundamentalists who want to return to the 1300s were promoted funded by the British/US/Saudis.
Same applies to any ideology or philosophy. To pretend otherwise is liberal idealism.
I would like to add on, that the Islamic Goldern Age is why we still know about Greek philsophers, have the concept of algebra, or why the scientific method exists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
I think its more than what you claimed... They are just objectively incorrect facts. Many people have felt electricity, we know where it comes from, what causes it, and how to control it, even.
Stupidity is a mystery. No one has ever observed it or heard it or felt it. We can see and hear and feel only what stupidity does. We know it makes people say strange things, make poor decisions, and ignore obvious facts. But we cannot say what stupidity is like.
We cannot even say where stupidity comes from. Some say it might stem from ignorance or misinformation. Others think that social influences or emotional bias produce some of it. All everyone knows is that stupidity seems to be everywhere and that there are many ways for it to surface.
I wish.
I may have to make this my bio.
I love you.
Paychology, Sociology, Social Psychology. Arguably studies of stupidity.
We have no clue what electricity is, because we, the authors, are dumb as fuck.
And we say noone knows because we can't imagine anyone could think on their own, and God forbid be smarter than us.
Nobody knew electricity could be so complicated!
Electricity is remarkably simple. Children make machines that can make electricity since all you need to do is chemistry or move a magnet relative to a wire. You can make electricity you can feel by rubbing a balloon on your hair
We homeschooled our kids for non-religious reasons. Most of the commercially available books, materials and curriculums were Christian oriented. While I am a Christian (although not a conservative) I found some of the materials just flat out intellectually insulting, factually incorrect, extremely biased (without the benefit of scriptural justification) and the above example is far from the worst of what I saw. It says a LOT about where your faith actually lies if you have to promote a false reality to justify it.
We briefly homeschooled during the pandemic, and like you we're non-conservative Christians. When our Christian friends asked about our curriculum, they always wrinkled their noses at the fact that it said "secular curriculum" on the cover. We told them, "you don't understand how weird the home school curriculum business is. Trust me, it's way easier to take this curriculum and add the values we want to impart than to take all the Christian nationalism out of the religious curriculum."
The irony is that such fundamentalists rely on so much engineering, built on layers of scientific research, for what they do (like eating. And housing. And recruitment. And printing and distributing that textbook), and... yeah. It'd be like a flat-earther in orbit. It's beyond ironic: it's just not a possible situation without the help of outsiders refuting that belief.
I have a lot more respect for the Amish, isolated monks, folks that take their beliefs seriously and consistently in their lifestyle.
My brother and sister-in-law homeschooled their kids for a while, which was a bit out of character for them. It turned out they were actually sending them to a private school that was technically "home schooling" because the parents taught the kids at home one day out of the week using school-provided materials and the kids were at the school the other four days. That one day a week allowed the technical "home schooling" designation and also allowed the school to use non-state-certified teachers (with the added bonus of being able to pay them hourly and only for four days of work a week). And all of this was only marginally cheaper than normal private schools. My bro and SIL eventually realized how shitty this was all around and moved into a good school district - which was way cheaper than private schools.
Wait so the above is actually real? And there are worse things in existence?
Wtf...
But also;
How do you reconcile these two viewpoints?
"It's all bollocks, but I still believe it."
There's nothing fundamentally christian about the text in the picture above, it's just nonsense propaganda. The whole science vs religion thing is frankly bollocks too - science shouldn't be arguing about religion it's fundamentally incompatible. OP can believe in a god, believe in an afterlife - science has nothing to say on the subject, it's not testable, it's not falsifiable it's got absolutely nothing to do with science.
I think gp is referring to the fact that there is soooo much in the Bible that defies science that is taken as truth.
I was thinking about how to reply here in a meaningful way but I think your response encapsulates the core of it pretty well. Lots more I could say, but would lead to long essay and probably of limited interest to the topic at hand.
Ah yeah man, I feel ya. One thing I don't really get is why there's a subset of Christianity that wants to be so combative - like all that needs to be said is "well, yes, that's pretty clever - of course god would do it that way" or "in this we better understand our maker" instead of trying to belittle what is a clearly useful and widely applied modelling tool.
I've observed several possible explanations:
From my perspective, the teachings of Christ were about humility. Admitting that you were/could be/are wrong and being willing to change. That's the whole core of acknowledging your own selfishness (sin), moving to repentance (change) and seeking God's help in that process. Being combative is not compatible with that, in my views.
as a person from across the ocean, i don't get this. why would there be need for some different curriculum for homeschooling, and why would the choice depend on the parent? how is it possible you just get to chose? don't you have to comply with some general standard? here, home-schooling is extremely rare, but if someone undergoes it, they have to use the same textbooks as everyone else and from time to time pass some exams in school to be sure the kid is not behind its peers.
The requirements for home schooling in the US vary wildly from one state to the other and can be almost devoid of any practical oversight in some circumstances. In most cases, parents have autonomy to choose their curriculum and there is a whole industry built to cater to that market. Unfortunately that includes books that deliver the kind of stupidity that we see above. Also, I think it is difficult for those outside the US to understand just how much we idolize individualism over any sense social responsibility here.
yeah, this is the surprising part for me, but i guess in the land of individualism it makes sense. thank you for the answer
I was homeschooled my entire childhood. My mom was a Christian. Not a crazy zealot, just a woman with faith. Initially, my school books were through a Christian curriculum program (I believe abeka books, iirc). One of my textbooks had this module on dinosaurs, with little pictures of humans in leopard print look clothes picking berries while a brontosaurus walked by in the background. My mom, ever the fantastic mother, immediately tossed those pieces of garbage and got me on the state curriculum that the public schools used. Took her forever to get it. Initially, when she called the state to ask how to get those resources she was told to stick with abeka, and was offered several other insane religious options before they finally relented. From then on, even though we lived in Virginia, my school standard came out of California, and I had to take end of year tests that aligned with the state of California. I got a great education, and because Mama let me basically choose what hours of the day I did my schoolwork in, I didn't really need to take summers off. Ended up finishing 12th grade at 14 years old. I am so thankful that she realized how bad those books were, and fought to make sure, even as a single mother working well over full time, that her kids got a good education. My brother and I both placed highest in the state when we took our final exams, in everything but math.
I wish most electricity waa from renewable energy
Lots of it is generated by burning biologically sequestered solar energy from hundreds of millions of years ago.
Which is not renewable. Unless you can wait for a couple of million years.
not even then. the conditions that turned vegetation in to coal no longer exist
The process still exists, its just limited to rare environments, and will never be the scale as it once was.
The thing is that back in Carboniferous, there were the first trees but no decomposers for that so the process still exists but there are other processes that make it much more unlikely
One of my favorite insane conspiracy theories is that petroleum is constantly produced and is a renewable resource but that fact is hidden from us because it would mean "they" wouldn't be able to impose carbon taxes and create more profit from other energy sources.
I suppose it isn't completly a lie. It just takes 100 million years under some pretty specific circumstances, but there's likely places where it's currently being produced naturally right now...
The theory is that there is biotic petroleum(the oil we know) formed from biomass from millions of years ago and there is abiotic petroleum that constantly forming from carbon sources deep in the Earth.
Depending on what degree of delusion, they either believe that there is more petroleum being produced than we use or there is less being produced than we need and we need to offset the deficit with other forms of energy.
As you can imagine, the believers in limitless abiotic petroleum tend to have some overlap with young Earth creationists and flat-earthers.
The planet can, maybe the next species of critters to pick up a pointy stick can make use of it after it resets itself.
Well technically its still electricity created by the sun. Plants absorbed Carbon dioxide, turned it into carbon with the power of the sun, died and got buried deep below.
Yes, that's what they said.
American Christianity is so weird. This sort of nonsense just isn't a thing in Europe or at least not in my country.
I went to Italian catholic school from kindergarten to high school and studied dinosaurs and shit, nobody gets to american level of nonsense
My American catholic school taught us that creationism is against catholic doctrine. They also taught the controversy.
My friends who went to public school got less instruction on evolution and their science teachers were obviously creationist while mine barely hid that she thought it was moronic
Yeah, catholic school are generally better about teaching science than other denominations; especially the evangelicals.
All of my friends who went to catholic school had the opposite experience. Evolution was handwaved away as complete nonsense, and God's benevolence was the answer for why people exist. My public school taught evolution very thoroughly, though none of my science teachers seemed creationist.
Strange. We had just enough Jesuit influence to tell us that God was why, but what and how is best understood through science. Non overlapping magesteria and whatnot.
Now thats not to say they didnt spew some shit. Hell we once got pulled out of class to look at magic bones (internet atheist Latin teacher didn't like that lol), and our Christian lifestyles class was mostly bigotry and marriage advice, but science class was for understanding the world and the scientific method.
Mostly because American school is about brainwashing, which isn't the case for the vast majority of everywhere else.
So you're not Danish, noted.
I may have a simple American education... But I'm pretty sure the Vatican is in Europe.
Not sure what point you're trying to make. The seat of Catholicism in Europe and American fundamentalists have very few things in common. Even American Catholics have very little crossover with their evangelical counterparts.
Most evangelicals think Catholics are devil worshippers, just like Muslims.
The point I'm trying to make is Christianity across the globe is an absurd denial of facts and the observable world. There isn't really anything more dramatic about American Christians vs Christians in Europe or anywhere else for that matter.
As an American raised in a religious household who's extremely familiar with European culture, people, and living; you are unfortunately wrong.
American Christianity is its own brand, and Europe has absolutely nothing like it. Nothing. Not at the scale of US religion absurdity.
I too was raised with religion (Catholicism) in the US, while my wife grew up going to Baptist churches - our childhoods could not have been more different. I was taught that studying science and the processes of observation and inquiry bring you closer to God, while for her the sciences were alternately ignored or lied about. Our family gave into the collection basket of our own will because we believed raising funds for good causes was the right thing to do. Her family was under compulsory tithing - 10% of all income. I was allowed to read whatever books, consume whatever media, and wear whatever I wanted, she was not. The list goes on...
I'm not trying to whitewash Catholicism - it obviously has its own major issues that shouldn't be ignored, but it's a far cry from the fundamentalist book burners who my family thought of as zealous nut bags.
That's because Europe sent us all their religious crazies right at the start.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law
There are parts of Europe where the fanaticism is so entrenched that you can be fined or go to jail for blasphemy.
So I'm seriously doubting your opinion that American Christians are on the whole crazier and more fanatical than Christians anywhere else.
From your source:
What is called "Blasphemy law" here is just protection of religious people, in particular minorities against persecution and incitement of hatred. You know, because last time when it was en vogue in Germany it led to millions of people being exterminated for their (alleged) religious affiliation.
If such a protection is called "Blasphemy law", the same would have to be said for laws protecting LGBT, disabled people, ethnic minorities and other vulnerable groups.
What they have on the books and what they enforce/how people live, are two very different things.
I appreciate that link, it's enlightening, I didn't know some of those countries still had it on their books.
However, the actual people living in Europe (at least Western Europe) ignore pretty much all of that. Everyone blasphemies all the time, nobody cares.
If anyone's religious, they generally keep it to themselves in the EU.
If they're religious in the US, they talk about it as if everyone else is as well, and pray for you and will pray to God to heal you from whatever affliction you have.
You pretty much cant' escape the religious fanaticism that exists in the US from the people. It's got nothing to do with the laws on the books (yet, but give the Christo-fascists time...), and everything to do with the insanity that is being religious in the US and making it a part of every aspect of your life, and forcing everyone else around you to participate whether they want to or not.
I've spent a good bit of time in Europe, and never once, not even remotely, have I ever been asked anything religious or had anyone talk about God, or Jesus, or offer to pray for me, etc.
I met a Tattoo artist the other day that said he'd pray for me and that Jesus can "do all things through Christ" (which I guess is Jesus doing everything through himself?) completely unprompted and without displaying anything other than a plain black t-shirt.
This happens constantly. Everywhere in the US. And if you're anywhere near a mega church, holy shit, those people are pure insanity. I've been to sermons where people are speaking in "tongues" and yelling jibberish, flopping about on the floor during a big tent-revival thing, hitting people to smack the "demons" out of them, screaming and rolling on the ground to escape demons (or praise God, it's difficult to tell sometimes), etc.
Nothing like that exists in western Europe to my knowledge. Or if it does, nothing even close to the scale it's displayed in the US exists.
Did you see the picture of the Vatican I posted in comparison to that evangelical weirdo's little theater in the US? So much for "keeping it to themselves" there is practically a sovereign state for one branch of Christians in Europe.
The Vatican library has books on how electricity works.
They also have a ton of books saying that the universe was created in 7 days, and that when you take communion, wine and bread are literally transformed into blood and flesh of a zombie diety.
That's just not really true, for Catholics. Not for a few centuries at least.
Ah yes, because changes in the interpretation of the word of God by mere mortals is different from changing the word of God.
Those weren't "days" per se, it's more like undefined segments of time. Humans weren't literally made of of clay, it's just a stand-in for god's brainstorming putty.
Ooh ooh, my turn! God made us in his image, but he doesn't actually have a dick and balls, or even a real form, but he is definitely a 'he' despite not having a biologically defined sex, so God created individually selected pronouns and put them in his bio.
Do you see how all this is absolutely absurd? I just changed the meaning of the "literal word of God" and my reasoning is a concrete as any other interpertation, it simply lacks consensus, (which is not a proof BTW). The idea that mortals can re-write the literal meaning and intent of a omnipotent deity is more absurd than stating that we aren't really sure where electicty comes from.
I’m an atheist, and that reply is kinda coming off as assholary.
Modern Catholicism has a lot to critique, but their support of science has been really good, especially compared to fundamentalist religions in the US.
As for the explanations for terms (handwaves), I’d say the Talmud started that long ago.
Oh, don't get me wrong... I think its all absurd. Just mentioning Catholics don't buy into this tripe anymore.
Not to be that guy but the vatican is important to catholics; not christians as a whole.
In my experience american christianity is a whole other ball game
Yeah I went to Catholic high school in the US. Received an excellent education, which was much better than what the public schools offered. It made college very easy for me, while I watched public school graduates struggle with basic general education concepts.
“Christians” is a broad term, which includes non-Catholics. And within that group there is another huge spectrum where many fall on the crazier side.
I'll lob the ball back over the fence here. Old textbooks with outdated views of a niche sect of Christian beliefs are probably less important to most Christians than the Vatican is, even to non-Catholic Christians.
Eh. Probably not. Protestants don’t really give a rat’s ass what the Vatican thinks, and the official position of the Roman Catholic Church on creation is “Theistic Evolution,” whereas these nonsense Protestant textbooks teach that evolution isn’t real.
Source: grew up in almost as close to Catholic as a Protestant church can get, but was still taught that the office of the papacy is “a form of Antichrist.”
How much do you care about this belief that electricty is a complete mystery? Were you even aware that this was a mainstream teaching of a small sect of Christians before you saw this meme?
I dunno if we can call Evangelicals a small sect at this time. Especially not in the US. Catholicism is a "small sect" in the US, for the most part.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism
Please note the "Global Statistics" section which notes that evangelicals exist in over 120 different countries, including countries in Europe, South America, Africa and Asia.
I don’t care at all about “this belief that electricity is a complete mystery.” It’s not a part of any form of Christianity with which I am familiar. It strikes me as the kind of thing someone might write in a children’s textbook because they themselves don’t know what they’re talking about and aren’t going to let that stop them from selling a textbook.
But I also don’t really care what the Vatican says, except as it has an impact on the world. My beliefs, as they are, are in no way affected by the Vatican.
For what it’s worth, I was never taught this nonsense. The Christian school I attended growing up was actually a phenomenal education, lacking only in specific areas like evolution. We consistently scored higher than most other area schools on everything, including science. My understanding of electricity when finishing 8th grade and moving over to public school for high school was as good, if not better, than the average middle schooler (which isn’t, you know, a profound understanding, but also not “no one knows” either).
I don’t think this particular textbook is indicative of religious education in the US in general, and it’s clearly an old textbook based on the image, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if there is some wackjob church that teaches this shit. There are crazy people in all corners of the world, after all.
All I was saying was that, in general, Protestants are more likely to care what some old textbook says than what the Vatican says. They still teach Young Earth Creation, after all. Perhaps not this textbook though.
Edit: Happy cake day, by the way!
Yep, you long-form summarized my point. For the most part, Christians in the US do have an understanding of modern phenomena, and they aren't any crazier than most Christians anywhere else on the planet.
"Ok, so here's the theme for this one: you're in the 1890s and you've just seen your first lightbulb. All you know is it runs on electricity instead of oil, and that some fucking idiot caught some electricity in a jar during a lightning storm. Go!"
In 1890 they had telegraph lines between continents for about 40 years.
1890 would also be about 30 years after the invention of the telephone and 2 years after the invention of the strowger switch (first automated telephone switch)
"Ey, look! We gotta publish this book by the end of the week and the thermodynamics guy already wasted so much time that we're behind schedule! Pretend those people were morons, alright?! Now, c'mon, get to writing, you're on preface duty after that!"
Looking back when I was growing up I think the most nefarious thing about books like this is that printing gave a lot of implied legitimacy because it was expensive to print a book.
Speaks to how much money these people had to miseducate people.
My brother in America I have felt electricity and I can say exactly what it's like.
If you still don't believe though I will gladly share the secret of how to feel it for yourself. You need only bring a fork.
Tide comes in tide goes out. Can't explain that.
This is the stupidest shit I have heard in my life. Ever seen fucking sparks? Ever had to deal with static electricity? What do they mean they don't know where electricity comes from? We have power plants and an entire grid to provide electricity. The ways to generate electricity is extremely well known and are common fucking knowledge... I mean I learned it as a kid from cartoons and video games.
This feels like a projection of their deity. Did they want to conflate the mystery of their god to the mystery of electricity? I guess I'm a theist now...
The machine god is real. It's blood is charge
Bloo... CHARGE FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!!
Praise the Omnissiah!
There are more pixels than the neurons in the writer's brain
Next chapter needs to be: "Fucking magnets, how do they work?"
I guess we know where ICP got their science education now.
Guess there are no Christian electricians then...
I think those ones are call magic smoke workers....
Electricians just need to know how to follow the rules, they don't need to understand the underlying physics. Engineers, on the other hand....
But we do.
If you don't have a working knowledge of your craft, how can you apply common sense?
As the generation that I'm from dies out, there goes the knowledge.
Good electricians might understand the theory behind it, but average ones just need to meet code without wasting too much time or materials. And to do that they follow patterns that work, patterns they learn from good electricians (or engineers).
Also, as an outsider, it seems like modern electrical code is designed so electricians don't need to use common sense. For better or worse....
ISBN please— full title and author will help too
Now, i usually don't advocate for book burning, but this one is making a compelling case
I swear I saw somewhere Texas schools gives out these books
When I went to a (private) Christian school our science book was called Undertstanding God's World and it was pretty wacky. I think I remember it saying dinosaurs and humans lived alongside each other. I also remember being taught plate tectonics was a lie?
I was enrolled in a Christian school for kindergarten through second grade.
I was suspended in first grade because I threw a tantrum over the teacher saying that dinosaur fossils were all fake and created to deceive people into believing evolution. According to her dinosaurs and humans coexisted before the flood, and scientists know this but carve rocks into bone shapes to fool people because atheists are evil.
Naturally, being a dinosaur obsessed little boy, I flat out rejected this hypothesis. My grandmother had taught me to read way above my level, and I read encyclopedia entrees on different dinosaurs before bed every night, often annoying the shit out of grandma because id ask for explanations of sentences from scientific articles as a 6 year old. So after calling the teacher a moron for the fifth time, I was sent home early. When my mother heard my side of the story, she went to the public school the next day and asked for an enrollment form.
Fuck Christian schools. Science is awesome and dinosaurs are cool.
Very punk. I dig it.
Thx that right there is why their next goal is the destruction of the public school system.
Dinosaurs are amazing, especially when they play a suburban family that is a thinly veiled metaphor for 90s America (and to a large extent present day America) and environmentalism.
I mean... We are still living among dinosaurs. What do you think birds are? Government drones?
I have pet birbs and can confirm:
They are government drones with the heart of either a cat or dog or sometimes both at the same time.
They're fish.
Well, of course they are fish, so do we, but they are also dinosaurs.
Yes
Source: Flintstones
A documentary, clearly.
At least we had a gay old time.
You can probably safely say plate tectonics is a lie in Texas, and not have to worry about inconvenient earthquakes to explain to the class. Try that in NZ...far more active over here.
Fuckin magnets, how do they work?
When was this written? Also, it's not entirely untrue to say that we know what electromagnetic force does, but not what causes it. They say it's a 'fundamental force', which is basically way of saying we can't further reduce it to explain in terms of other stuff. We don't know what any of the fundamental forces (electromagnetism, gravity, and the strong and weak nuclear forces) really are - we can only describe their effects on the world with maths ('what they do')
Given it has a (good quality) color photo attached to it, it was definitely published when we already understood the theory of electricity really well, so it doesn't get a pass.
I'd argue that for fundamental forces, "what they are" and "what they do" is the same, by definition.
And in any case, mains supply in your home is not just electromagnetic waves vibing around, it's electrons engineered to move through wires in very specific ways, transferring power from a moving magnet or (increasingly) a photon falling on a semiconductor junction, to move another magnet, heat up some metal, or (increasingly) bounce around some electrons between some semiconductor junctions and then emit photons from other semiconductors junctions.
Finally, most of the text is bullshit even if you don't think we know what fundamental forces "are":
You can easily feel electric discharge. Just rub your hair on some wool.
Just be around a thunderstorm. Thunder is the sound of an electric discharge.
You can see where the energy that moved the electrons in your wires came from: https://app.electricitymaps.com/
It was written by a complete and utter buffoon, and it can't be redeemed with any amount of handwaving or philosophizing over what it means to "know" or what things "are". Either that or it's satire (which might well be the case).
It's even worse than that. Electric lighting predates the photo camera by several decades
The first arclamp is from the 1800-1810s. They weren't exactly selling them in stores by then, but they had been invented.
I'd argue we didn't fully understand the theory of electricity until we understood the atomic structures of metals and semiconductors, and that was properly developed in the early 20th century.
You could place "understanding" at many points in history, and several in the future:
Building an arclamp powered by a portable generator is damned impressive.
Sending a message via electromagnetic waves shows very impressive understanding of electricity too.
Having a small electromagnetic particle accelerator in your house to show moving pictures is pretty damned amazing.
Using electricity and basically sand to do maths is insanely impressive.
On the other hand, you might argue we don't understand electricity because we don't have a unified field theory.
I think it might be real:
I totally agree that the rest of it is nonsense, I was just commenting on the what it is/what it does bit
It was apparently first printed in 1976 according to this page I found discussing it.
Good find , from the same book, respect Astronomy, explained with the Bible (in a science Book 🤦)
That quote from the bible sounds a lot like they were saying "the things you see are made of things you can't see".
Which is totally accurate, atoms baby!
The whole time I was reading that, I was thinking "man, I miss the old Cracked. This is gold."
Then, I saw the author was Seanbaby! I think I know what site I will be wasting time on next.
I love how the book says that no one has observed electricity, yet it has a picture of a lightning bolt on the cover 🤦
"That's not you observing electricity, that's just seeing something electricity does heathen."
Those guys probably.
Their argument seems to be that since you can't actually see it, as in you can't pump electricity into a clear pipe and see flowing through the pipe like water. That "science" must just be lying to you.
But you can see it though. You can see it arc right?
What they're saying best I can decipher is that seeing that bolt of lightning or that arc from a wire isn't you setting the "electricity" itself. It's you seeing something that it's doing. Like the arc is a shadow puppet and "electricity" as they define it is the hand casting the shadow.
What they essentially want is for you to be able to take a picture of a lightning bolt and zoom in to see the individual electrons moving through the air. Fundamentally entirely misunderstanding how science says electricity works.
You can't see water either, only its effects on light that goes to your eyes
Oh don't worry. They don't understand how eyes work either.
Oh my...that page is amazing
Holy shit, I thought this had to be fake. :(
I think you’re on the right track. It’s like they heard “you can’t hold and observe an electron” and just really ran with that but missed all the actual nuance behind it. Still baffling why they would print this, seeming to point to on something like only god knows how electricity works while there’s a person using a very clearly engineered device and electric socket.
This is the basis for their entire “understanding” of the world. It’s how they thank god when a doctor heals them. It’s how they can say that something produced by the scientific process (vaccines) are bad, but then enjoy so many of the benefits of the exact same process (pain meds). “God did it” is the ultimate willful ignorance.
Tide comes in and tide goes out. You can't explain that.
Well, from someone who studied electrical theory in a 'normal' university, the author isn't completely off base in that we know what electricity is but not why electricity is.
to be fair, we don't know why anything is, but that's something for philosophy so ponder, not science where you seek answers
science doesn't determine why, it determines how to the best of our abilities. why implies purpose and/or intent, which isn't something science measures.
Oh we do measure why's, that's the point of social sciences. You just have to accept that purpose and intent don't exist in a vacuum and are the result of human perception and expression then study it as such. As a human phenomenon. From philosophy to psychology, there's a vast body of analysis on the why of many things. Cultural artifacts for example are the equivalent of batteries, where meaning is concentrated, captured and can be measured, studied and analysed.
With Griffith it stops being a mystery... It goes back to one with Jackson.
Are they dense?? Electricity comes from the power outlet. Everyone knows that
Of course. That's why god created power outlets. So mommy can plug in the electric mixer, to make you chocolate chip cookies
This appears to be stupid, and it is, but it's mostly evil. Teaching children to accept absurdities and distrust evidence to make them easier to control.
That's, what religion is about. Religion teaches people to be content with not understanding the world.
And with the dismantling of the US Department of education, things are going to get a lot, lot worse.
This is from 1976 (uncertain if this specific passage was change from the original run though)
The US education system has been slowly, but surely gutted since then
Conservatism needs its masses of ignorant and near-illiterate electorate who cannot think for themselves and cannot use critical thinking to realize how badly they are being hoodwinked. This hollowing out of the educational system has been done on purpose to bulk up the Republican electorate.
I somehow have the feeling that this is simply ragebait... if not, well... can someone please take away the printing press from those people? Please?
Found a site with some more fun excerpts:
https://1900hotdog.com/2020/10/learning-day-science-4-for-christian-schools/
Fun excerpts and a fun article about them too!
Index Tome 5
Meanwhile banned Books in Schools (Dangerous stuff)
I'm understanding more and more how a stupid pedo_asshole can be voted as president by so much people.
This is for real? How is it even legal?
Murica
Apparently it is real. Wild
This just in, no one has ever seen lightning, and if you say you have, we’ll have to burn you at the stake to protect the children.
My Catholic school is more grounded to reality than this.
Grounded? That sounds like electricity talk, or should I say WITCHCRAFT?!
If it's grounded then there should be no safety risk
Used to live across the street from a Freewill Baptist Church.
Always curious about other beings mindsets, went and attended a service.
Walked through the main door and felt the trope of crickets chirping. No one greeted me, said hello, welcome, nothing. I was stared at but never acknowledged.
The service was strictly talking. No hyms or singing.
The sermon told me they are creationists that believe "Singing and dancing lead to temptation".
Point is their "educational materials" were horrifying. Mostly just fear mongering and advising self segregation from reality.
Obviously /s because Perun is the god of lightning and thunder
Thor's the god of thunder, not lightning.
Electricity is the flow of electrons, (negative charge,) caused by one substance gaining electrons, and one substance losing electrons in a redox reaction. The thing that is oxidized loses electrons, and the substance that is reduced gains electrons. Oxidation is visible in nature via Rust. Water and oxygen gain electrons that are lost by the pure iron creating an iron oxide that is reddish brown. (Batteries have a + and - sign, hooking them up into a loop with a device creates the electricity that powers the device. Everyday batteries utilize zinc and a magnese oxide, but there are many other types of materials that are used in other types of batteries.) 25 years of this Christian faith homeschool bullshit; pretty clear why these dipshits voted trump.
I'm curious what they think a lightning strike is.
This genuinely feels like a bit from Look Around You
And they think we're the brainwashed ones. lmao
Why is there a 4th book? The way this book teaches, they don't even need a class.
I have seen electric, it’s blue and I have even felt it, it hurts. Also I know where it comes from, it comes from the walls, there’s an electric sockets for it.
We have caught the electricity monster into a circuit and now we need to keep it in a loop.
The electricity monster was caught by Jesus! Why do you think electric poles are all crosses?
Oh my god, energy travels via divine intervention. This is a miracle!
Miracles are all around us, brethren. Sing this hymn and believe...
What in the 2010s CGI clown hell is this 😂
That’s how MRIs work! Superconducting electromagnets.
You see, the electricity monster will lend us its magical “X-ray vision” that doesn’t actually use ionizing radiation like x-rays.
What are birds? We just don't know.
Found it
https://archive.org/details/science4forchris00watk
I know people in my day to day who dont belive the earth is more than 2k years old, who believe there were never "cavemen", and dinosaurs weren't real. Baffling. This person is rich and has a ton of land. Education dont mean shit in freedom land.
Gay.
A mystery.
Claude François : am I a joke to you ?
Replace 'electricity' with 'wind' and/or 'moving air' and/or 'breath', and now you understand what Proto-Judaic Canaanites circa 800 BCE thought 'spirit' was.
De-energize an electrical panel, remove the panel covers, energize it and let them fuck around and find out.
As a sub-par professional electrician, i have definitely felt electricity.
In creaciontist Schoolbooks Earth is still 6000 Years old, there is nothing which has changed. For creacionists, all answer is in the Bible, not in science facts, as in an interview "The human made globalwarming is a lie, the humans can't change the creacion of God", creacionism in action. Trump is one of these.
That is the problem of religion, they confuse faith with knowledge. Believing in something is always personal and never can be promoted or even imposed as truth, this is why religion is so harmfull, not the believes or faith of individuals. Religion only creates ignorants and hypocrits.
Bro it's got to be like 6025 years old by now.
..and three month
I've definitely fucking felt it before, luckily only a little 120VAC tickle, but yea I felt it
You felt god!
As a kid, I used to purposely stick my fingers between prongs while plugging Christmas lights in in order to electrocute myself. It's shocking that I came out from that unscathed.
Electrocution is electric execution. Assuming you're still alive, you shocked yourself. Pet peeve of a former electrician, forgive me.
I share your pain. In EMS, I have to bite my tongue on every "electrocution" call.
Eh, you only get a little tickle from that. Now completing a circuit across your chest is a doozy. Would not recommend.
I had that feeling... I never did it again. I am lucky it was a split second or I'd be dead.
So where does that put people who have been electrified? Did they simply die of terror because they thought they had grasped a live wire?
Oh wow. It's been a long time since just reading a thing made me physically nauseous. I crave for the person responsible for these lies to suffer excruciating punishment. It breaks my heart having to accept that justice is dead and they will very likely never face consequences.
When they want to feel it, they should take a bath with a plugged in toaster.
To be fair, the bible doesn't have any lessons on how electricity works... /s
A textbook would lose most of its credibility in my opinion with a title like “____ 4 ____”.
The fact that it contains such wonderful takes on electricity is just icing on the cake.
The title is "Science 4 for", so it's the fourth in the series.
Ah! I stand corrected on the title. Thank you.
Sounds like this https://youtube.com/watch?v=FBaVwwuErmU&t=
But surely that's some old book and is no longer used to teach today, right? Right???
It's been revised since this edition. I was homeschooled with the "for Christian Schools" textbooks (and was sent to college at the University that produced them) I was just young enough to get the newer editions as they were being rewritten, my cousins who were 4 grades ahead of me weren't as lucky and had the version shown in the picture. The versions I had were slightly better, they at least didn't have this particular nonsense in them. But they still all taught a very warped view of science, and I was in my mid-twenties before I stopped believing in Creationism. The last ~10 years since then has taken both a lot of work to learn about reality, but has also been quite a lot of fun. Science is really cool if you aren't stopping all the time to try to fit God in somehow.
I refuse to believe that anyone can be this incompetent. What is the strategy here? How would religious extremists profit from creating the "myth" of electricity? I'm more confused than anything else, honestly.
It conditions them into believing that there are powerful and mysterious forces at work in the world that can't be explained but must be taken on faith. If they get into the habit of looking for answers to questions, they might start asking other inconvenient questions. My sunday school teacher had a similar spiel about how god was like the wind, we couldnt see or touch him but we could see the effects of his actions.
That is really clever. Soften them up slowly but surely. Infest their world view with this nonsense and then one day they will be ready for the sales pitch.
Funny, I heard the exact same explanation for Dark Matter. But the context was 'so we know, there's something there, we cannot explain, which is why we need to study more or even rethink what we thought to know about gravity/the universe'. Science is awesome!
Yep.
It boils down to:
Reality is actually magic (ie, fundamentally incomprehensible and inconsistent), and our magic guide book, and my interpretation of said magic guide book, is more correct than any other book or person, because this book says it is, and says it is the bestest magical book, and I am the bestest knower of the magic book.
It is magical thinking, a worldview based on a psuedo reality derived from psuedo logic (where psuedo means 'fake', 'impostor', 'sham'), which is a key component of many cults and also severe psychological disorders.
I expect it goes like this: Electricity is real and does things, yet it's so mysterious and unseen! Just like god!
It's not incompetence, it's malice: a way to stupefy, thus, control more easily.
What a shithole country.
The next generation.... Uneducated dombassrs
lol I’m sure some of us has felt it before.
Elec-trickery!
No notes.
Reminds me of this
I had never seen that before, thank you
Not only can you see it and feel it, you can also hear and smell it! They have clearly never seen lightning, heard thunder, been electrocuted or smelled the ozone.
This is a great example of how conspiracy theories are: There are some bits that are quite true, but they are connected in such a weird and completely wrong way that you wonder how it even came to this.
That's bootleg Christianity.
Man, talk about a deep fried JPEG. If it was slightly more blurry with a few more artifacts I wouldn't be able to read it at all.
There are no concepts we've ever seen, we only see their effects.
Do you see the air you breath?
So this is what Lemmy's come down to? A repost of a 10 year-old Reddit post, which is a repost of a 14 year-old Tumblr post, about a 30 year-old book marketed to homeschoolers?
Truly we're at the forefront of memes.
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I think putting your effort into creating the memes of the new forefront instead of complaining about reposted content might be more a constructive and fruitful effort.
People who haven't had all the joy ripped out of them don't make/spread ragebait memes, lol, this is projection.
It isn't certainly old, but creationism is still used in US schools, with not better content. I remember a US delegation not so many years ago, wanting creationism as an alternative teaching in European schools and their anger when they were sent to comb the desert. Even in religious schools the religion is separated from academic teaching. This is not the case in the US, where creationism and also scientology are taught as themes equivalent to real science, even in universities.
Eh, it's ok. There was even a Diogenes' Square post recently, which is centuries old meme. Imagine how many reposts that one saw.
Entshitification is impossible to completely avoid, even here, when so much of the internet's content is recycled or reposted from the most influential sites