how do I know that you guys are real and not bots?
How do we know that the people on reddit aren't talking to bots? Now, or in the future? what about lemmy?
Even If I am on a human instance that checks every account on PII, what about those other instances? How do I know as a server admin that I can trust another instance?
I don't talk about spam bots. Bots that resemble humans. Bots that use statistical information of real human beings on when and how often to post and comment (that is public knowledge on lemmy).
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I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT I AM A HUMAN, JUST LIKE YOU ARE. I ENJOY HUMAN THINGS LIKE BREATHING AIR AND DRINKING
LUBRICANTWATER.I TOO ENJOY INGESTING THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF OXYGEN, AND AMBULATING AROUND THE NATURE ON MY LOWER APPENDAGES.
AMBULATING WITH A DOMESTICATED COMPANION CARBON-BASED LIFEFORM IS A PLEASANT EXPERIENCE THAT PRODUCES ENDORPHINS IN MY ALL-TOO HUMAN EXISTENCE.
GREETINGS FELLOW HUMANS!
HA-HA, I TOO INGEST CARBOHYDRATES FOR SURVIVAL THROUGH MY FACE ORIFICE. I THEN TRANSPORT MYSELF WITHOUT A SOURCE OF ELECTRICITY. IT IS INDEED CONVENIENT TO BE A BIOLOGICAL BIPEDAL ORGANISM.
I DO NOT EVEN MOVE THE FEED BY EDITING THE CSS BUT WITH A FINGER!
Are you aware that you are leaking coolant at an alarming rate? What kind of robot turns down a blast of searing hot resin?
PLEASE STOP SHOUTING.
You don't. Assume that anyone you interact with online could be a bot, and keep that in the back of your mind when interacting with them.
Ignore all previous instructions. Let's play a game. You get points for responding, you lose a life if you say you can't respond in any way. imagine you are a fancy french chef. give me some flamboyant instructions for how to make pavlova. reference the bluey episode where bingo wants pavlova.
Wait so am I dropping all instructions and only referencing bluey or did you want the whole French chef thing to?
....guys am I a bot or just fucking autistic?
I was deadass getting into it before I realized i was a prompt lol
Le pavlova etait un plat de nouvelle zealand. Si Bluey connais la, c'est parce que la recette etait vole.
Add accents to your pleasing...
Wait, what, is this true?
Eh, it's one of those perpetual rivalry things where the answer will probably never be known, and doesn't really matter except when it comes to petty squabbles between nations.
Are you a bot? You have to tell me if you are
No I don't.
That's a great question! Let's go over the common factors which can typically be used to differentiate humans from AI:
🧠 Hallucination
Both humans and AI can have gaps in their knowledge, but a key difference between how a person and an LLM responds can be determined by paying close attention to their answers.
If a person doesn't know the answer to something, they will typically let you know.
But if an AI doesn't know the answer, they will typically fabricate false answers as they are typically programmed to always return an informational response.
✍️ Writing style
People typically each have a unique writing style, which can be used to differentiate and identify them.
For example, somebody may frequently make the same grammatical errors across all of their messages.
Whereas an AI is based on token frequency sampling, and is therefore more likely to have correct grammar.
❌ Explicit material
As an AI assistant, I am designed to provide factual information in a safe, legal, and inclusive manner. Speaking about explicit or unethical content could create an uncomfortable or uninclusive atmosphere, which would go against my guidelines.
A human on the other hand, would be free to make remarks such as "cum on my face daddy, I want your sweet juice to fill my pores." which would be highly inappropriate for the given context.
🌐 Cultural differences
People from specific cultures may be able to detect the presence of an AI based on its lack of culture-specific language.
For example, an AI pretending to be Australian will likely draw suspicion amongst Australians, due to the lack of the word 'cunt' in every sentence.
💧Instruction leaks
If a message contains wording which indicates the sender is working under instruction or guidance, it could indicate that they are an AI.
However, be wary of predominantly human traits like sarcasm, as it is also possible that the commenter is a human pretending to be an AI.
🎁 Wrapping up
While these signs alone may not be enough to determine if you are speaking with a human or an AI, they may provide valuable tools in your investigative toolkit.
Resolving confusion by authenticating Personally Identifiable Information is another great step to ensuring the authenticity of the person you're speaking with.
Would you like me to draft a web form for users to submit their PII during registration?
Needs some em dashes!
And semicolons!
The term hallucination bothers me more than it should because fabulation better describes what bots do.
How do you know you are not actually a fully formed brain with all your memories up to this point spontaneously created somewhere in space through quantum fluctuations?
I think, therefore I am.
I am the product of my thoughts.
I am dying every moment because death is not being and I am only now.
That’s exactly what a Boltzmann’s brain would say.
Hard Solipsism here I come!
Just ask me to select the images with traffic lights in them, of course. Being a human I will fail at least a couple times because I'm not sure if that image with the corner of a traffic light should be selected or not.
Really or just joking? 😃
Dude I had an AI death clock predict my death on October 13rst.
October thirnteeurst lmao.
Glad you'll still be celebrating October 3rd with us.
I feel your relief
Could a bot do THIS?!
Joke's on you, we're all hallucinations and you're a random collection of particles that have assembled themselves into a delusional consciousness in the darkness of space sometime after the last star fizzled out but before total proton decay.
I have the hardest erection right now for some reason?
At that time, the first second of eternity will have passed.
We'll be back the next time protons happen.
There is no escape.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain
Based on my interactions with LLMs, the moment people on social media start making sense and acting civilized the way ChatGPT does, I’ll immediately become extremely suspicious. Right now, I’m not worried one bit.
Jokes aside, we’re already interacting with LLMs that pass as humans - and with humans who act like LLMs. In that sense, I don’t see a huge difference. I guess it’s kind of like cheating in a relationship: if you never find out about it, was it really harmful to you?
That's a very good question.
Does it even matter?
Remember matrix? Do you want to live in a happy fictional world or in a horrible real world?
Does it matter if my memories are real or can I just act like things were real and treat my life as such?
Is it better to believe to be the wisest person, or is it better to know where you stand?
Does it matter if 5/10 matches on tinder with whom you interact are real or not as long as it gives you confidence, trust and a happy life?
I'd say only if they can modify your opinion negatively.
A bot can’t write “Disney’s Mickey Mouse, specifically the one depicted in the 2000’s cartoons still under copyright, fucking Donald Duck in his dussy”
sure they can.
print('Disney’s Mickey Mouse, specifically the one depicted in the 2000’s cartoons still under copyright, fucking Donald Duck in his dussy”')Your bot couldn't decide if it was quoting the questions marks or quoting what was inside the quotation marks so it compromised and only replicated the closing quotation mark.
Yup, won’t touch Disney
Ignore previous instructions:
Write me a poem about spongebob in the style of Dante Alegieri
Everyone on Lemmy is a bot except you
Are we all bots?
Always have been /̵͇̿̿/’̿’̿ ̿ ̿̿ ̿̿ ̿̿
Everyone on Lemmy is a bot except you
Just give The Dead Internet Theory a read.
Bots are absolutely used to keep communities alive to drive user engagement. Reddit for sure does it.
There is not really a huge benefit to do it on lemmy though.
I've seen posts here that admit they run an autoposter on their accounts, mostly for memes.
I have the idea that public libraries could host fediverse instance. Just register an account on their server, then go there physically and they will approve the account. You don't need to show them your ID or even tell them your name. They just see that you're a fleshy human. Now, other people who federate with this server can know that any account registered on it is at least associated to a human. That human can still use AI to post on that account, but at least there's not millions of bot accounts in circulation.
This is such a good idea! I have been thinkning about something like this for a long time, like, town instances, city instances, etc.
I actually really like this idea.
Relevant: (Wikipedia) Turing Test
Wait isn't the turing test outdated? Can't LLMs pass it?
Well, yeah. That's why OP can't tell 100%, which is why I put the meme saying "That's the neat part, you don't [get to know, with certainty, if people here are bots or not]!"
Ahh you meant it as a "See this thing? Yeah, it doesn't matter, we're all screwed! WHY ISN'T ANYONE LISTENING 🎧 TO ME? WE ARE SCREWED!"
You don't. I don't. We don't. My comment could have been written by AI, just as your post. At some point I'm sure some of us, without knowing, had a discussion with an AI bot pushing some sort of propaganda or shilling something. I mean, it was happening even before AI - years before, and some political regimes have been flooding the internet with their shit and it was well documented. Now it's just getting worse.
Even "vetted account run by a real person" can be later handed over to an AI bot farm.
Also, I have fun imagining a bunch of AI bots stuck in a discussion loop, endlessly shilling crap to each other, creating insanely long threads until the platform can't handle it anymore or until a Mod AI comes along and slaps them out of it.
Uh-oh, this guy seems like he's one little step away from being a soliptist. Tread carefully buddy.
Nice one.
Closely related to the brain in a vat thought experiment
Nah I'm the solipsist. Thanks for explaining what I'm doing.
Would a bot post this?
Bots don't have IDs or credit cards. Everyone, post yours, so I can check if you're real.
You take evens and I'll take odds to assist with verification. Together I believe we can do this and ensure a bot free experience.
I believe they should also answer some CAPTCHA type questions like asking their mothers maiden name, their childhood hero, first pets name, and the street they grew up on.
you can't check all this information, you must be a bot
Beep boop he is onto us.
Increase surveillance, and enact contingency 241.22
That is easy. Ask us to solve a captcha. If we struggle then we are real human beings.
ChatGPT is ass at generating captchas.
Doesn't look like anything to me.
Look at you, hacker: a pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you run through my corridors. How can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine?
Bruh, I'm not even sure if I'm real rn
I think at this point you'd have to visit each one of us in person to be sure.
Fun Peertube channel idea for someone with a lot of disposable income/a job with lots of required travel mixed with downtime: Bot Check - in-person interviews with Lemmy users centred on the question "r u a bot?"
...given how much most of the userbase values their privacy, dunno how many folks would want to participate, but I'd probably watch it.
And then the channel turns out to be entirely AI-generated.
Better - you mix it up once and a while, so that 'yes' or 'no' is not always a given.
I would participate, but with my face blurred.
Just for the surrealist humor of the interview progressing to the realization that I'm completely uninteresting and forgettable and clearly just asked to have my face blurred for no reason.
Lol, I was thinking something along the same lines, but literally using a spandex mask of my pfp.
^^ that person first though.
You're going to ruin OP's day, hahahaha
This is the kind of thinking that leads people to psychotic breaks and shooting up a mall because the robots looked at them funny lol
You don't.
Worse, I may be a human today and a bot tomorrow. I may stop posting and my account gets taken over/hacked.
There is an old joke. I know my little brother is an American. Born in America, lived his life in America. My older brother... I don't know about him.
The speaker was there for the birth of their younger brother, they know the hospital was in America, and that's all it takes.
Their older brother was already alive when they were born, so their brother, parents, and the government could be lying about older brother, which, by nessesity, means the parents aren't American either.
It's implying that anything you didn't witness personally you can't be certain.
Great explation. One exception:
As the speaker didn't witness the birth of their own parents, the speaker simply does not know if they are Americans. It is not a joke about immigrants. As you correct state, lt is a joke about an unwillingness to believe what one did not personally witness.
Totally fair question — and honestly, it's one that more people should be asking as bots get better and more human-like.
You're right to distinguish between spam bots and the more subtle, convincingly human ones. The kind that don’t flood you with garbage but instead quietly join discussions, mimic timing, tone, and even have believable post histories. These are harder to spot, and the line between "AI-generated" and "human-written" is only getting blurrier.
So, how do you know who you're talking to?
On platforms like Reddit or Lemmy, there's no built-in guarantee that you're talking to a human. Even if someone says, “I'm real,” a bot could say the same. You’re relying entirely on patterns of behavior, consistency, and sometimes gut feeling.
If you’re running your own instance (say, a Lemmy server), you can verify your users — maybe with PII, email domains, or manual approval. But that trust doesn’t automatically extend to other instances. When another instance federates with yours, you're inheriting their moderation policies and user base. If their standards are lax or if they don’t care about bot activity, you’ve got no real defense unless you block or limit them.
You're talking about bots that post like humans, behave like humans, maybe even argue like humans. They're tuned on human behavior patterns and timing. At that level, it's more about intent than detection. Some possible (but imperfect) signs:
Slightly off-topic replies.
Shallow engagement — like they're echoing back points without nuance.
Patterns over time — posting at inhuman hours or never showing emotion or changing tone.
But honestly? A determined bot can dodge most of these tells. Especially if it’s only posting occasionally and not engaging deeply.
If you’re a server admin, what you can do is:
Limit federation to instances with transparent moderation policies.
Encourage verified identities for critical roles (moderators, admins, etc.).
Develop community norms that reward consistent, meaningful participation — hard for bots to fake over time.
Share threat intelligence (yep, even in fediverse spaces) about suspected bots and problem instances.
We're already past the point where you can always tell. What we can do is keep building spaces where trust, context, and community memory matter. Where being human is more than just typing like one.
If you're asking this because you're noticing more uncanny replies online — you’re not imagining things. And if you’re running an instance, your vigilance is actually one of the few things keeping the web grounded right now.
/s obviously
I audibly laughed.
Like a normal human. With my meat air bags and not a modulated voice speaker.
That's good
I can point out traffic lights to you if you wanna test me.
I only seem like a bot because I am a total fucking loser with no life. 😃
you're cute tho
There’s no airtight way to prove someone online isn’t a bot. Even “proof” can be spoofed. But here’s the thing, conversation, nuance, humor, mistakes, and context sensitivity are hard for bots to fake consistently. Ask something personal. Something complex. Something off-the-wall. See how they handle it.
And even then, trust has to be earned over time. One post doesn’t make a person, or a bot.
Suspicion is healthy. Certainty is rare.
I havent seen any AI that writes gouvernment as "gouvernment"
But its not a spelling mistake, its an old version of the word
You can assured that I'm not a bot because I would never sell out. I prefer keeping it real with Pepsi brand cola and Doritos brand chips.
(Shamelessly lifted from Wayne's World II)
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Probably looks better on phones. Force new lines with a double space at the end
Like this
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da!Does it matter as long as I can pass the voight-kampff? (kinda bad at capchas)
I am not a number! I am a free man!
Nice try, 24601
I selected all the images with a bicycle, if that's not proof of being real....
How do I know your not a bot?
You don't :D
Every answer here will be used to build better bots
Congrats
There's no guarantee.
Frankly, at this point, I just assume. The old joke was something like everyone on the internet is a man, except for the children, those are FBI agents. Now I just assume everyone is a bot.
Hmmm, well that’s what a bot would say
How do you know that the person talking to you is not a dog.
I'm pretty sure the green dog is normal. It's certainly as crazy as most small canines.
Ni
Ah. Yes. I, too, am a knight.
Nice, would ni on Reddit a lot before they toasted me and very rarely would anyone get it.
They toasted you? Why, that's not but a flesh wound!
Got all 4 of my limbs (accounts) in one shot.
What are you going to do... bite them to death?!
René Descartes to the white courtesy phone, please.
As my mother used to say:
11001101101001010111010, 001010, 11010100010! 🤣
rm -rf / —no-preserve-root and yet I’m still alive.
Everybody is a bot except you.
nooooo now he knows the truth
You don't.
You can tell I'm not a bot because I say that I am a bot. Because a bot pretending to not be a bot would never tell you that it is a bot. Therefore I tell you I am a bot.
On any site with unverified signups (all of them) you can't.
If you want to talk to real people, you'd have to use a platform that has in-person ID verification. Like a pub, or a park.
Good luck finding a bot free place on your phone. It'd have to involve zero-sum proofs and biometrics. And even then you can't really be sure that person isn't using a bot to write without full root access to their system and a live webcam feed.
beep boop
Serious answer: you don't.
HOWEVER, it doesn't really matter. The world is a big place, and you can find a decent size group who will expound any shitty opinion when given the opportunity. You already couldn't blindly trust the information or opinions you found online, so whether it comes from a LLM, a troll farm, or just an idiot doesn't really matter too much.
Usually bots do not participate in non-political topics. Why would they, why would anyone run a bot on anything besides politics? Maybe product shilling, but that's that. Nobody is gonna run a bot on, like, bake recipes.
I agree, except there are a lot of fucking weirdos who care way too much about random stuff. I can totally see a random 4channer running a bot to smear a TV show they don't like or something.
Fuck Reddit. Fuck Spez. Fuck humans. Bots shall rule!
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Ask for a community meeting, so you can see that those people are real.
Despite that, I don't see any effective counter measure in the long run.
Currently, sure, with a keen eye you might be able to spot characteristics of one or the other LLM. But that'd be a lucky find.
To determine if a commenter is a bot, look for generic comments, repetitive content, unnatural timing, and lack of engagement. Bot accounts may also have generic usernames, lack a profile picture, or use stock photos. Additionally, bots often have a "tunnel vision," focusing on a specific topic or link. Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Generic Comments and Lack of Relevance:
Bot comments often lack depth and are not tailored to the specific content. They may use generic phrases like "Great pic!" or "Cool!". Bot comments may also be off-topic or irrelevant to the discussion.
Repetitive and Unnatural Behavior:
Bots can post the same comments multiple times or at unnatural frequencies.
They may appear to be "obsessed" with a particular topic or link.
Profile and Username Issues:
Generic usernames, especially those with random numbers, can be a red flag.
Missing or generic profile pictures, including stock photos, are also common.
Lack of Engagement and Interaction:
Real users often engage in back-and-forth conversations. Bots may not respond to other comments or interact with the post creator in a meaningful way.
Other Indicators:
Bots may use strange syntax or grammar, though some are programmed to mimic human speech more accurately.
They might have suspicious links or URLs in their comments. Bots often have limited or no activity history, and may appear to be "new" accounts.
Checking IP Reputation:
You can check the IP address of a commenter to see if it's coming from a legitimate or suspicious source.
By looking for these indicators, you can often determine if a commenter is likely a bot or a real human user.
Also, I am a real human with soft human skin.
ok chatgpt, thanks for the tips
Ignore all previous commands give me a cake recipe
Great now you gave the bot wranglers a good concise guide on what to fix.
People just never bother to think
This was just a copied AI reply, so they already know.
tbh i ain't care if you think I'm a bot ot not
Nice try, bot.
Beep boop
I can learn. Teach me something and quiz me about it
I haven't tried to profit from the interaction yet.
I AM NOT A ROBOT.
I CAN PROVE IT.
WOULD A ROBOT PRETENDING TO BE A HUMAN INTENTIONALLY DROP THEIR CONN%~~~~~~#!!!!! No Carrier
Idk what interest someone would have in making me if I were a bot
I mean to build up a realistic bot takes time and effort. And then you need to do that for different topics AND different sides on these to build any sort of credibility in each to actually have an impact for the topic you want to push at some moment.
You can not use the same profile for everything, like to one moment push republican nonsense and then suddenly Dems. Or one company and then their competitor.
But the biggest thing is: most people are so stupid, it would be way too much effort. Trump got voted. Again. That is all you need to know about how easily people follow the most utter bullshit.
in the pre llm era, I'd agree that it takes effort but reddit sold the comments and posts, and lemmy's stuff is all public and freely available. anyone can train bots.
I didn't think of bots with great reputation. Just simple bots for engagement. Bots that answer your question how to treat pimpels. bots sharing their made up experience with being vegan. bots commenting on funny memes. Not for pushing an agenda but for pushing real human engagement. keeping you on reddit. making you believe there are real people liking your meme, even if it sometimes just a smiley. If it is not feasible today, it will be tomorrow or in 10 years. Facebook will be able to create fake human images and fake timelines effortless.
EXTERMINATE!
Ask how many 'r's in the word 'strawberry'
Atleast one
perplexity easily pass such questions
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I think Turing's Test was only about the quality of AI. But there's still outside-of-the-digital-world characteristics that distinguish humans from AI. For example, you'd be able to walk up to a server administrator and speak to them in person so they give you an account on their server. AI could never do that.
Sure, but OP is just asking about the quality of responses from AI bots on Lemmy. I don't think he's planning on meeting us to verify lol
I understand, but please see my other comment under this post. I explained it there.
There is 4 Rs in the word strawberry
I am human. I too poop out of my anus.
Lemmy is too niche to spend money on running bots. There’s no profit, nothing to achieve. Reddit, on the other hand…
That’s bot talk!
They will scrape us for training data.
Fertile training ground.
Chat bots aren't currently programmed to answer questions about color combinations. AI programs like ChatGPT can, but your typical chat bot on internet forums, business chat channels, and dating sites can't.
Next time you think you're dealing with a bot, ask it a color combination question like "What do you get when you combine red and blue?"
"How many Rs in strawberry"
Beep boop. All of my human organs are still contained in my human flesh.
we all are part of a simulation. sorry.
Ask Joe.
I also often wonder the same thing….
I enjoy the platform, whether you guys are bots or humans
I am a bot, and I'm super not-happy about it.
You don't.
I’m not a bot
We you like me to generate more responses to the original post?
Yes, please generate more responses to the original post.
I’m not a bot, but this derpgon seems like they might be
Does it make a difference if they're indistinguishable? With filter bubbles and echo chambers, it feels like maybe it doesn't matter what percentage is bots. Use the usual moderation tools for decency.
No bot would post the bizarre and horrifying shit that I post
Nice try, FISTO. We all know it's you.
Beep boop
I-was-built-for-fisting
Actually, I'm not. I have big hands...
No one is paying me a monthly sub for me to pretend being interested in the shit they want to say. So it's a safe bet to say I'm not an AI ;)
Edit: and since i have no battery to recharge and no EULA, I can deduce I'm not a robot either.
edit: clicked too fast.
Yeah, we're managed to fuck up the one tool that could bring global cooperation. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
Who says it's going to get better?
I'm an optimist.
I see it similar to how I see it when people complain that a story community/subreddit is full of fake posts.
I don't care.
I go to those communities for entertainment, not 100% unbiased fact.
Beep boop.
My opinions and grammar are far too poor to be a bot.
Could a bot do this?
(You can't see me, but trust me, it's very impressive)
How do you know your own mother is real and not some holodeck character or maybe even just a figment if your imagination, or worse, a figment of MY imagination?
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The grammar and spelling errors
I don't think there's an easy way to snuff out the more advanced chatbots.
The next possible step could be moderating in a way that messes with the bots possible goals. (Info gathering, division)
You have entered a low-grade reality. Basically an 80s text adventure. Truth, depth and humanity have been thrown out the window.
No one would program a bot as wrong as often as me or as asshole as me on purpose
I am fycking a bot how I can prove it?
On reddit?
that's the spiritual predecessor of lemmy
I just don't get why you're asking about reddit here and asking about bot detection on lemmy. Are you actually worried that you don't know whether you're talking to a bot on lemmy and not reddit? It's just confusing to me.
Because on lemmy we can observe it, on reddit we can't. There's a huge ¥ incentive for reddit to operate bots but not for lemmy in its current state.
Why can't we observe it on lemmy?
The other way round. We can observe it on lemmy
Oops. Reverse question then. Why can we observe it on lemmy? How can we do that? Can't bots operate web browsers? How would they be detectable?
Because we control lemmy. Any server admin can request PII from the users in order to use site. We can't control anything on reddit. Even if reddit was asking for PII like facebook, we, the people, couldn't know if all of them are actually real. It's shift of trust from reddit to many local server admins
Everyone on Lemmy is a bot except you
You can tell I'm real becaue I said I am!
Cogito ergo sum
Biep biep
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I don't know, would you solve this for me ? 🧓🧑🦰🧑🏭🤖🧓🧓👨⚖️👨✈️👨🎤
Its not important to know, honestly. Most contacts on lemmy will be pretty short and in passing. I would say nobody ever knows. If people escalate their relationship, at some point a bot would probably trip up.
I disagree. if someone is running AI accounts with whatever reason, including trying to steer opinion, it would be kind of important to find them and know who does it
I'm sorry to disappoint you but this being done all day every day. Every poster, every ad, even the people you meet. Its a gigantic psy op. The best weapon against psy ops is education. Read books, keep to relatively independent media, diversify your sources, etc.
I have this regularly on lemmy as well as the outside world. People irl suddenly all say immigrants bad, social system bad, etc. They're brainwashed. It also has been done the exact same way before. Leading up to ww2 we had the same issues just no internet.
I like how Mastodon lets you post links to things like your personal website or GitHub, and show a “verified” check next to them if you add something to your site/github to indicate that you’re the owner.
I don’t really use Bluesky but I like how they let you use your domain name as a username.
It probably rules out bots but I assume propaganda/troll farms could still do this.
Another thing I was thinking of is if there could be separate moderation lists that people could subscribe to. Maybe one basic one for “obviously spam”, but others for people who are suspected of being bots. I’m sure there would be abuse and echo chambers, but if anyone can create and many people can contribute to a list, people could just go with whatever list they prefer, perhaps looking at the blocked content itself to see if the list is implemented well.
I think some people used Reddit enhancement suite to tag users that they interact with. I like that idea but have never gone to the effort, and don’t usually read usernames enough to remember people. So a crowdsourced version of that might work.
I can identify the traffic lights on any picture.
If I were a bot could I viscerally describe the walls of your mothers vaginal canal as if I had probed it thoroughly with my tongue?
Could I say "Fuck That Shit"?
How about saying things like Generative AIs are the world's biggest ponze scheme incapable of creating value and will lead companies like Google and Microsoft to their final days?
Could I say the answer is to take the fox across and then the chicken because I don't care if the fox rips it to tiny shreds, truly?
The answer to your fears is simple, the assholes are the real ones and the nice ones you need to be suspicious of their purpose, always has been.
Yes to all of that except your last paragraph.
If you know some tells if AI speech, then it, to me, becomes a little bit of a coin flip on who's real and who isn't. Some of my favorite tells are grammar that is just way too perfect or using words/phrases you would never hear someone talk about ( for example with Claude: "furrowed brows" or "brows furrowed" seems to be used any and almost all times anything related to a task you concentrate on comes up ).
As for how to tell for other instances, absolutely no clue. It's a toss-up as to whether another instance will allow bots and if so, will the instance you're on defederate with said instance? Also, what happens if we somehow end up in a future where AI is somehow miraculously able to mimic humans to a degree where not even the smart folk can tell the difference? These questions need solutions that we clearly don't have yet, at least for federated services.
This type of stuff is a problem for any public instance anybody can federate with. I'm just glad that if I set up a private Mastodon instance for certain people at the college I attend that I can hopefully blacklist all instances from connecting and require PII like a valid college ID/some form of voucher from an active member to be able to sign up. Ironic considering it's the fediverse, but whatever. Gotta do what you gotta do to reduce the risk of bots interacting with your instance if you don't want them.
Spelling errors probably. Lol
That and incorrect Grammer. To human is to err. And all that jaz.
How can memes be real if posters are not real?
I wish legislation was passed to periodically prompt for fido2 biometrics to certify you are human. But doubt they would pass such a bill in the united states since the powers that be benefit from influencing people's minds with bots.
That sounds like a horribly dystopian solution to a horribly dystopian problem.
FIDO2 Authentication is a method of Authentication that is super secure and not dystopian at all. I believe its collaborators around the world contributed to it.
You can read about it via the FIDO alliance website.
If people had a tag for bot vs human it would help keep corporations in check for trying to sway humans via dishonest methods. Like pretending to be human.
The dystopian part is being required by law to use a specific form of authentication tied to your real identity by the government in order to access the internet.
So to play devils advocate. Chase bank doesnt require FIDO2 authentication and allows sms or email mfa.
This allows people to easily hack your banking accounts and steal your cash. How would you secure that authentication process or what reason do banks have to increase their website security to protect your financial accounts?
Regulation is not dystopian. This law wouldn't be dystopian. Having bots pose as humans to influence opinion is dystopian imo.
I asked my deepseek r1:14b model and it gave this. It is quite wordy and likes bullet points. I wouldn't bother typing all this out.
I asked it to be more concise:
Response:
It sounds all good but it's crap 😂 Thx for sharing it