Trump official declaring ‘anyone who preaches hate for America’ will be deported worries users: ‘They just skip the First Amendment’
Top Trump official Stephen Miller's recent declaration that anyone who "preaches hate for America" will face deportation has ignited alarm online, with critics warning the statement disregards First Amendment protections.
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Social media users and legal analysts raised immediate concerns, pointing out that expressing dissent or criticism of the government is protected under the First Amendment. Some worried the administration was veering into authoritarian territory.
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The backlash has reignited broader debates over the limits of free speech, especially as civil liberties fall under scrutiny. While immigration enforcement remains a core theme of President Donald Trump's platform, critics are increasingly questioning whether rhetoric like Miller's is a precursor to more aggressive suppression of dissent.
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In this context, “hate for America” really just means hate for Trump and MAGAs.
We really are deep into dear leader territory with the cabinet spending an hour jerking the president off instead of fixing the economy he drove off a cliff.
The whole party is a cult now. I got banned from the conservative subreddit just for asking - as a conservative myself - what conservative values they think a criminal like him is embodying. What exactly is he conserving? This man has cheated on all of his wives, is a racist, extremely egotistical, etc. He’s closer to the Antichrist than the second coming of Christ. His entire admin is just birds of a feather.
This is part of the issue.
That is the conservative platform and has been for as long as I've been alive, he is accurately representing them hence the lack of pushback.
That said yes he's so very close to the anti Christ's description it's not even funny.
I don't know you and I don't want to judge or tell you what you are or sound like but from that description you're more left of center then right.
It's funny because "true conservatives" usually mean they are fiscally conservatives and if we look at Canada the most fiscally conservatives governments (i.e. the ones that ran the least deficits whole in power) are the ones on the left side of the political spectrum.
That tends to be the case in many countries because the left are under so much scrutiny they have to be very careful with budgets. The right, on the other hand, are given a pass to do all kinds of irresponsible things because they are assumed to be "fiscally responsible" and their supporters only want to hear them say "tax cut" a few times and they're satisfied.
That and social programs are actually cost effective. Give access to education to people, they end up with better jobs and repay the investment via taxes. Give them access to healthcare, they can keep working instead of being disabled for life because they couldn't get treatments. House them, they can find work.
For all their professed know-how with money, conservatives have never understood the idea of investing in society for a long-term return. They're always very short-sighted.
currently conservatives, in most govt around the world, is mostly Right wing or ALT-RIGHT now.
I don’t know. Before Trump, the conservative platform was actually conservative - though of course there were extremist fringes. But Trump sparked a sudden transition to extreme nationalist populism, which validated and legitimized those fringes, making them mainstream. Now, that ideology is the de facto face of conservatism. It’s depressing. I’ve considered myself a conservative Democrat since the 2015-2016 election cycle.
You’re not wrong about “conservatism” undergoing a rapid metamorphosis in the past decade, but it was only possible in the first place because republicans put party before principle, and they’ve been doing that for a long time.
In the Bush era, how many times did the “party of small government” tell you it needed to restrict abortion, regulate marriage rights, wage a war on drugs, and expand the surveillance state? There was no rhyme or reason to any of it other than culture wars and security theater, and it certainly wasn’t part of some coherent conservative ideology.
White nationalists terrorists down to like McVey were all conservatives for reason and it isn't love and inclusion.
No it wasn't. Not since at least Eisenhower.
its because OBAMA broke thier minds, they couldnt handle a half-black, muslim was the POTUS.
The DINOS are in on it, but they cant come against the gop, for fear of getting primaried. we know for a while manchin and sinema are just 2 of the many Dinos in the senate, hence also the reason of the lack of pushback.
The conservative value he's embodying is authoritarianism. That's it; that's what conservatism has always been ever since Burke and DeMaistre, who were literally monarchists, invented the concept.
I'm sorry that you got sold a lie, but what you thought conservatism was was never correct.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4CI2vk3ugk
The only conservative value!
People today don't know what conservatism is about. It is definitely left of today's far right Republican party.
emulating russia, almost as if trump is getting his suggestions from putin, if not directly.
It can also mean disapproval of genocide, or having the wrong skin color, or speaking Spanish, or being gay or trans, or saying it's OK to be gay or trans. Basically it means doing anything Nazis don't like.
Millers head is a pretty good size for the Luigis in the world.
They ARE traitors. Russian-backed, Nazi-seig-heil throwing traitors. They aren't joking about wanting to jail liberals. They 100% mean it.
They've been prepped to be fine with it since they started calling "liberalism a mental disorder."
Straight Russian propaganda. The Kremlin wants to stamp out western liberal democracy. MAGA's the push to destroy America
Why have the billionaires not prevented it? Project 2025 was known. Billionaires will lose huge parts of their wealth when the USA collapses and Russia or China take over.
Billionaires are not our allies. And some of them are genuinely stupid enough to have thought they could contain what was going on that it was just gonna be more tax cuts for them. They, like the public, didn't all actually believe it would be true. They are not inherently smarter or more immune to propaganda than we are.
They just have more access to information - if they don't surround themselves with people that are only yes men and such.
Other billionaires are betting on the collapse, and are willing to take less monetary power, to have more literal power if they can create their own city states. Literally what they're hoping for.
They are short sighted, stupid, arrogant, heartless... and, many, traitors.
Some need to be made an example of.
But we accept those who ask for forgiveness. I'm not saying to actually forgive them. Or to re-establish normal lives with them. Other people can do that work.
But they do have to have SOME kind of off-ramp, or you might as well be making the same arguments that MAGA are when they claim "liberalism is a mental illness and should be jailed."
Billionaires will be absolutely fine if they never make another penny and even if they lose 99% of their money in some stock market complete and final death. Millionaires are worried, but they aren't the ones with the real power.
It's not the same. Why should they give up their power without a fight? They must believe that they at least maintain their power and wealth.
Yes. They do. And they're right. They'll be fine. Billionaires will be absolutely fine. The stock market crash doesn't worry them. Not even a little bit.
They're still incomprehensibly richer than millionaires in the same way that someone with an office job, a flat, a TV, games console and a car who goes out to eat on the regular is incomprehensibly richer than someone who lives under a piece of sheet metal next to a rubbish tip and scavenges for food.
Yet when the office worker is informed that his car is going to burn down or somebody will come into his house and smash his TV, he will take action.
Billionaires identify with their property. They won't simply accept that it melts down.
But billionaires are so desperately unlike the office worker. You know, how if someone took your penny, you wouldn't worry. And in fact they could take a penny from you every day for three years and now you're down a whole ten dollars but it just simply isn't an issue. You know that a thousand times as much as you've lost will be turning up in the next few months. That's how billionaires relate to a million dollars. A million. It'll show up for them in the next month or two. They're not worried. Why would they worry about money? You don't worry about pennies, they don't worry about millions. Stop thinking that billionaires worry about money.
Now if the entire global capitalist system were to completely crumble, then that's an issue, but that's absolutely not what's happening. Billionaires are almost incomprehensibly wealthy and a crash of 10% just doesn't matter. At all. There are other countries than the USA and they'll absolutely leave if necessary. They spend plenty of time in their overseas properties anyway for tax purposes. Borders are for ordinary people.
cause they didnt think it would fail.
They thought they'd buy the country for pennies on the dollar and carve it up into their own little capitalist nightmare fiefdoms.
This can't be the plan. Only land with sea ports would be acceptable in that situation. Every other fiefdom would be taxed by their neighbors into poverty unless they unite again.
For sure there are stupid billionaires but the top 100 won't follow a plan that can be rebuked easily.
Vast swathes of the USA is accessible by navigable river ever since the Louisiana purchase. It's one of the three main original reasons the USA was so powerful economically before Trump.
This only works if the rivers aren't taxed. How could anybody trust that that doesn't happen? That's why I specified sea ports.
because you enter an economic cold war, very much like trump is doing right now with china, where the port people demand taxes, and the middle america people just embargo them and don't give them any food/minerals/etc.
and you see how much they are loving that happening right now.
They don't want to fuck eachother. They just want to fuck you and me.
Ok, but what about critics of the zio regime? Both "parties" agree that they should be kidnapped and encaged, right?
Nope. Jailing anyone without due process/etc is un American. We talked before.
We are on the same side. If you're not a bad actor, I encourage you to take a more constructive approach to this discussion.
When Hamas very first attacked, I was on Israel's side. Not everyone is as educated on Israel's influence on our politics/etc. (fuck Israel. They can figure shit out on their own. I don't want to fund genocide. Period.)
Zionist Democrats want to fine you and repress you in financial ways. They want to "tut tut" you for being anti-Semitic.
Zionist Republicans want to put you (and immigrants, and LGBT, and dissenters) in a death camp.
And the death camp is only a formality. If they thought they could get away with it, they'd have the police gun you down in the street and start issuing death warrants.
Fuck you Mr Miller. Fuck what you and yours are doing to my country. I hate it. I fucking dare you to deport me.
I hate America tbh have not stood for the anthem in over a decade.
I haven't either. People are stupid because they wanted to lose all we have.
So we can’t criticize the country we were born and raised in without “wanting to lose all we have”? Sounds like some bootlicking bullshit to me.
Never said that. Just that you were stupid if you didn't understand that there is a baby in the bathwater.
Yeah and Trump wants to deport it while it’s drowning.
I don't, I just want to lose the Republicans. And the purists who would rather have Trump than support Harris. And people who Vape.
Personally, I love this country. I fought for it. I will not bow to fascist twats such as this.
I, too, love what the USA should be and can be. This is my home, they are my people. I am staying right here.
I’ve never for a second planned on going anywhere but if they want to try and deport me I’ll happily spit in the faces of all my relatives who act like this shit would never happen and leftists are full of it for saying it would. It’s fucking happening. It’s fucking happening right now.
I fucking hate it here but I can't get a job abroad that'll sponsor me. This is my home. But it's a dump rolling towards a cliff. Get me out.
This nation was birthed in blood and has existed parasitically on the global south for over 250 years. It is a fascist ethno-nationalist state that exists only to consume and destroy.
The more history I learn, the more I am disgusted and horrified by the place I call home. Trump is exactly what this country deserves. If he brings the whole project crashing down, its no less than we all deserve.
Why does the wage worker at McDonald's deserve an even shittier life? You all think that if America gets punished they will learn their lesson.
Wage slaves deserve a better life. "America" is not going to give it to them.
Because that worker has not unionized with their coworkers and organized with their apartment neighbors to reclaim their surplus labor from their landlords.
The US is still an extraordinarily rich country. But the wealth is congealed in the hands of a tiny fraction of the total population. If you're in the service sector and you want your fair share, you need to start pulling back on the revenue streams you are closest to. By any means necessary.
Do you believe people choose to be ignorant of what they should be doing? Blaming oppressed people for being ignorant shifts blame from those with overt power and the systems they serve. Either the system is unjust because it keeps people impoverished, which includes their ability to make better decisions, or the people deserve whatever system they operate under. If this is a matter of people getting what they deserve, then the system is just.
It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It.
I don't blame oppressed people for being ignorant. I blame selfish and self-conscious people for abandoning their neighbors in time of need. Individualism is a choice. Saying "it's not my problem" and looking the other way is a choice.
People deserve whatever system they facilitate. You don't get to "just following orders" your way out of culpability.
The U.S. government is one thing. The people who live here are another.
We should never judge someone just because they were born in a certain country. Blaming people for where they come from is prejudice, plain and simple.
Yes, Americans can be frustrating. Many seem unaware of what their country does beyond its borders. Many have failed to demand change. But instead of writing them off, we should ask why that is.
The truth is, they’ve grown up inside one of the most powerful propaganda systems in history. From the moment they’re born, they’re fed myths about freedom, greatness, and endless growth—while being isolated, overworked, and misled. Their ignorance isn’t always a choice. Often, it’s something that’s been done to them.
So instead of condemning them, let’s choose compassion. Let’s challenge the system that raised them this way—and reach out to those willing to see through the lies.
Real change means building solidarity, not more division. Speak the truth. Share knowledge. Offer empathy. That’s how we turn a misled population into a powerful force for transformation.
Broadly speaking, I agree. But at some point, we have to recognize the US government a corrupt extension of the American consumer culture. State agents, state media, and public-private partnerships that employ millions of people all operate to extract the wealth of occupied territories on pain of blockade, bombardment, sabotage, and assassination of popularly elected leadership.
This isn't just "Donald Trump is a bad dude". It's multi-national industrial manufacturers, globe-spanning banks, and militarily-embedded data firms all operating as a unit to compel the entire globe to pay fealty to the US financial system. Trump just got greedy and squeezed way too hard.
Propaganda is like rabbies. It turns nice people into slobbering monsters over a long enough exposure time. And then they spread it by biting their friends and neighbors, until the whole community is frothing. Its horrifying to witness and you feel pity for anyone subjected to infection. But you can't just wave away a rabid dog as a victim. Neither can you wave away a QAnon cultist or a blood thirsty Zionist.
The good news is that nothing cuts through propaganda like material conditions. And while the Great Depression was shit for American quality of living, it worked wonders on American politics. Perhaps a downturn will awaken more Americans from the Individualist fantasy and reawaken the kind of mutual aid and community building that we so desperately need.
Real change means finding people who can work with you and dedicating time and energy to build a new kind of organization. Right now, the only people with the luxury of time, capital, and resources to build movements are extremists on the right. And the reason they have that glut of resources is due to their blood-sucking grip on the rest of the planet.
One upshot of Trump's tariffs is that he's (unwittingly) cutting the Musks and Thiels and Dimons and Mercers off from the wellspring of dirt cheap foreign materials and domestic lumpen labor. That creates some opportunity for Americans who aren't awash in blood money to begin organizing in earnest opposition.
You're absolutely right to draw the distinction between criticizing systems of power and recognizing the ways those systems shape and limit ordinary people. The U.S. government, as it exists, is undeniably an imperial and extractive entity, and its global reach is felt through violence, finance, media, and tech alike. But that same system also crushes many of the people within its own borders—economically, intellectually, and spiritually.
The analogy to rabies is powerful but tricky. Yes, propaganda can infect people with hate, fear, and delusion. But if we begin to see our neighbors only as rabid dogs, we risk becoming cynical and cruel ourselves. A QAnon believer isn’t the same as a policymaker at the Fed or a war planner at the Pentagon. One is sickened by ideology; the other wields it with intent.
I fully agree that material conditions can break the spell—and that crises can clarify things. But that clarity won’t lead to solidarity unless we create the groundwork now. The far-right is already doing this—they’re building networks, feeding people, offering meaning. If we wait for collapse to act, we’re just ceding more ground.
The real task isn’t just to oppose the empire—it’s to build a counter-power that can replace it. That starts by reaching out to the people closest to us, even the ones we’re tempted to write off, and giving them something stronger than fear and conspiracy: a vision, a purpose, a role in something bigger.
We need to organize not just against, but for—for community, for care, for justice. And yeah, maybe even for a future where nobody needs to grow up inside a machine that trains them to be obedient or cruel. That’s a future worth fighting for
If we see them as misguided innocents, we're going to be in for a rude awakening when they rat us out to the El Salvadorian kidnap vans. At some point, liberals need to recognize this isn't a coffee-shop debate. It's a matter of self-defense. Organizing means building networks of trust and support. That means taking people into confidence when they tell you their views on Palestine. That means locking arms with people who may not express the gender printed on their birth certificates. That may eventually extend to having a neighbor hide in your attic while you stare down the police. And if you've opened your front door to "I'm just following the law" / "They shouldn't be here anyway" fash-curious centrists and conservatives, what kind of organization do you think you're building?
A counter-power that rises to the point of defiance of authority. That level of opposition requires real material support and genuine sincere trust. You don't get that without some degree of ideological orthodoxy.
There's a test I've discovered as a standard issue when a retail establishment is hiring. One of the questions you get asked is some variation of "Would it be wrong to take a single penny from the cash register if ?" And if you answer "Yes", you're immediately disqualified for the job. This kind of ideological rigidity is common in the commercial sector because acknowledging certain fundamental standards is central to trusting the people you put in charge of your business resources. Expecting any less from an activist political organization is foolhardy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion
Yup, America is officially a fascist state. They just admit they are full on Nazis now. Never in my lifetime I thought America will turn into that and here we are. It's fucking wild, like I'm living in some alternate timeline of Wolfenstein The New Colossus. Just wild.
Oh good, you're finally awake. Let's get you caught up on the last six months.
His first term was a shitshow.
Yeah, no, this term there's a lot less kayfabe, a lot more actual speedrunning tyranny. Not to say that they weren't angling at tyranny before, but it's clear they learned their lessons and came back with a plan.
Or at least concepts of a plan
Nah, dude. Trump sounds like a fucking idiot, but he's got a team of actual super villains working right underneath him.
I agree. I was just making reference to that quote of his from the debate or whatever.
Project 2025 laid all this out, but apparently he knew nothing about it
For us, yes. For Republicans, no. In Trump's first term:
He stacked the Supreme Court in his favor (2 of the 3 he appointed helped steal the 2000 election for Bush)
He appointed a record number of federal judges (260, most of which come from the Federalist Society)
He reversed a CFPB rule that made it easier to file class action lawsuits against banks for fucking us over
He oversaw more federal executions of prisoners than any president in 120 years
He cut corporate tax rates from 35% to 21%, the lowest rate since 1939
He pulled the US out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and our spot was filled by China
There is so much more that he got done which set the stage for what is happening now. For example, he tried to pass about two thirds of the Heritage Foundation's 'Mandate for Leadership' policies in his first term, which is what inspired them to write 'Project 2025', another iteration of the Mandate on steroids.
The fact that Trump lost the election in 2020 is a total fluke, and it took a global pandemic that killed over a million Americans to make him lose.
His first term was far from a shit show in terms of making the current shit show possible.
"He stacked the Supreme Court in his favor (2 of the 3 he appointed helped steal the 2000 election for Bush)"
Fucking, what!?
Amy Coney Barrett and Brett Kavanaugh worked on the legal team for Bush in 2000, helping swing the case after the Brooks Brothers Riot.
I was not aware of this, thank you for educating me.
and don’t forget to take your kids along on your escape too, Steve.
Fuck yes, I want to upvote this into existence, bright lights spelling this out right outside of this shit bird's bedroom with window
We can hang him upside down with those string of lights.
I dunno folks. we certainly don't have any other examples of Trump policies or behavior that might support this notion. I'm glad they are just "increasingly questioning" it.
Maybe when the concentration camps start showing up on US soil that will be enough.
They're not going to be on US soil. There's a reason the Nazis built there's in foreign soil as well. If people are being rounded up into camps, they really have nothing to lose at that point. If you build them on US soil, you legitimately have to worry about crowds of heavily armed Americans showing up to liberate people from them. If you're going to get sent to a camp anyway, you have nothing to lose taking up arms against them. It's a lot more difficult to try and liberate a concentration camp in El Salvador.
If they're on US soil then no one can get in the way to prevent these people from being released, by sending them to another country it's much more easy to say "Nothing I can do!"
Yeah and much better than having Cuban intelligence report on all your crimes against humanity in GITMO.
The media is going to question and further legitimize this fascist state right up until their networks go down because other nations are bombing us. It’s up to Americans to stop this travesty before it gets that far…”they”, ie media pundits or current crop of political leaders, are not going to do it for us.
I love America… I fucking hate Trump, MAGA and the GOP.
As we all know, a person defines themselves through their actions. So does a country.
Imho, saying Trump(ism) isn't America is like people who do evil, but still think they are good people. Admitting you have a problem is the first step in getting better. You need to hate what America has become. Shifting the blame to the current administration just lets people feel good about themselves. They shouldn't. There is work to do.
The second step is meeting up with others in your community already working to fix it.
Yep. At least 30% of americans supported this maga crap while the majority did nothing to stop him. As a Canadian, I'm not going to distinguish between those who supported trump and those who didn't care enough to stop him. Both are equally responsible, and both must pay the price. Personally, i'm hoping the price will be so great that the US will split apart. Of course, Canada alone won't make the US disappear, but the world united against the US absolutely will.
also haver to point out voter suppression works either through propaganda or straight up legislation,
So you're a racist idiot then?
A nationality is not a race, dumbo.
Oh, I'm sorry, bigoted dipshit. Forgot you need to specify exactly what level of stupidity someone's on or you'll get pendanted to death
Bigoted dipshit? You realise a country is represented by their government right, especially a democracy? Your people voted for him and if he decides to genocide others, torture them, start wars, annex other countries or do whatever the fk evil shit, it reflects your people as a whole. Why should other countries give you the GRACE of being spared your precious feelings when their people are being attacked and suffering the consequences of YOUR government's actions? You're a priviledged asshole if you think people should GRACE you with their fucking patience and goodwill when your government is attacking them!!!
Yes, bigoted dipshit.
Assuming all Americans support their government and treating them poorly because of it is being a bigoted dipshit, simple as
And the dissenting comments to that opinion all read almost exactly like how MAGAts talk, it's funny and gross how much like them you are
I think you may be confused. Americans tell the international community who represents them as a whole, as most countries do. In this case America picked Trump. They picked him using the method they created. They enforce their pick with the institutions they created. How self-absorbed and entitled do you need to be to call someone bigoted because they don't have the time / inclanation / patience / stomach to then make their own arbitrary decision on each individual in your shithole country?
Maybe, if Americans weren't such feckless, lazy, cowards you wouldn't be in this situation. But no, the American way is to blameshift, like their Leader does. Like you do here: unless their is 100% internal consensus in your electoral process you expect the rest of us to distinguish between each of you. And those who don't are bigots. Not your fault, is it... we are just bigots to you.
Do they still teach critical thinking in America, or is it just Pledges of Allegiance to Dear Leader now?
Maybe stop posting and go do something about it? One has to have their fat American neck buried pretty deep to not know how to help nowadays. Find people in your area already doing something and go ask them what needs doing. Or, as I expect, post about how it's not your fault and how you can't do anything. In 5... 4... 3...
"Home of the brave." Ha ha fucking ha.
No, that'd be the group of people assigning blame to 100% of a group for the actions of sub 50% of said group
Bunch of disgusting bigots pretending your bigotry has a reason when you just wanna insult a group of people you don't like because you're a shitty person
Ewww. Dude, your American Victim Card isn't accepted in Canada anymore. Sorry. Nearly everywhere outside the USA stopped accepting it. It's still used widely in the U.S. I understand you all have one, and present it to each other regularly when the topic of 'doing something' comes up. What a testament to your 'Land of the Free' and 'Home of the Brave'.
If you think my posts are insulting hold-on-to-your-RED-hat. I'm just a private citizen with no political power afterall, so you are not going to believe what your elected Leader has been saying about my country! And yet, I haven't seen any victims up here in Canada. Crazy huh? I suspect it has something to do with our "character". It's a word your great grandparents knew a lot about.
It's also affirming to be called 'shitty' by the people who brought the world Donald. Please, continue... or go do something more useful to help out those working against Donald. ... Hahahaha ... nah, why bother, amirite? Predictable. Better to put your energy here, defending yourself against me, someone who could-not-matter less.
Your turn snowflake.
Jesus Christ that reads like magat bullshit so well I stopped reading halfway through due to headache
You're being a massive bigot, it's a bad look. Especially since you keep implying I'm somehow responsible for the election of the president, proving you know nothing about me or my countries electoral system
Quite literally identical behaviour to the people in my country spouting bigoted nonsense about the Mexicans, dude, down to it being the country directly south of you
Yes, Trumpism is extremely American, just like Trump embodies so many American virtues and vices.
Make America Free Again!!!
America gave you Trump, MAGA and the GOP.
But in his mind “Trump = America”
"Ope, looks like this guy hates America. Take him away boys."
We need to ratchet this up, actually. Not just those who hate America. but those who have publicly declared in the last 12 years that America is anything less than great. Citizen or not, if we have record of you declaring America is not great, I want you gone. Start with the ones who said it loudest and to the biggest crowds.
So, all politicians? Lol
Yes
Yeah no fucking shit. It has been happening since he got into office you fucking dipshits.
Yep, and in no small part because of this shit right here, mealy-mouthed normalizing of a fascist.
Come get me asshole! I’ve hated this place since cancers like you were allowed to infect our politics.
No. Born here, raised here, belong here. Troll elsewhere.
Man, you responded pretty quick. I appreciate that.
Is there a point you’re trying to make here? If I don’t like your little troglodyte of a “president” I should leave?
I’m a patriot. Why would abandon my country?
No, just glad to meet a fellow prompt American
There is no commonality here. You defend a Nazi and a criminal.
That was a pretty prompt edit as well lol 😅😅
I don't like him either. I also didn't like your troglodyte of a "presidential candidate" as well.
Perhaps we will have better choices in 2028?
Your comment history proves otherwise, troll.
My troll comments and what I actually believe in are two different things. Perhaps I should have used my other account to appeal to your patriotism.
You get the fuck out. I am Canadian even, and I am telling you to GTFO. It is people like you who are fucking everything up.
You don't even know me, and as an American, just ship us your maple syrup and we will vote out the bad orange man.
We'd prefer you would leave, since you're part of the problem with our country.
You don't even know what the problems are. But nah, I would rather the citizens be united against the government and not against each other. Born here, raised here, served here. However, may I say fuck Bush Jr?
You may hate Trump, but I don't hate my fellow citizens. I actually respect your opinions.
I do not need you to respect my opinions.
I need you to respect our fellow citizens by not making deriding comments for them to leave like you did.
Respect is earned. What have you done for the country? Do you hate the country or do you just hate the president?
Sitting on the couch and hating people that they've never met through social media does not get to make demands lol
You want to take this country for granted just because you hate the president? Go ahead. You want me to respect you through this app because you demand it? Nope.
I'm not the one calling people names. I told that person to leave voluntarily if they hate the country that much.
"Respect is earned" is the most boomer take ever.
No.
Respecting others is the default. Respecting others is the bare minimum expected from you.
Start by acknowledging that.
I genuinely can't imagine how empty your life would have to be to sign up to lemmy and spend your tragically finite time on this earth """trolling""" people.
Go to twitter, make some like minded freinds, maybe pickup a hobby or something dude.
Americans have proved that their “we need guns to stand up to an oppressive government” talk was just that, talk.
The ones primarily saying that want to shoot liberals and leftists.
The few liberals and leftists who are pro-gun probably don't have sufficient support or power to form a militia force. Because most liberals and leftists in the US are anti-gun.
I know they exist but they're still a minority.
At least they're probably experiencing a growth spurt though. Little bit of hopium there.
Yeah, I really wish more liberals would exercise the right to bear arms responsibly.
We do. We just don't harp about it or make it a part of our public persona. We don't advertise it on our cars, clothing, or houses. And honestly? That's for the best. A Democrat with a weapon is absolutely going to be seen as an enemy of the state in a short time. Best we continue to stay low.
We are somehow all of the weapons with none of the class consciousness.
They still think their speech is protected and it's only liberals, insert racist list speech that's fundamental and should be punished.
What a dumpster fire this country is rn so sorry for you Americans 💀🙏
Careful, at this rate, they might come to your country and deport you with speech like that.
Yeah. It sucks, but between the illiterate corp of ignorati that voted for that little pissfart and his pet weasel, and the smug entitled geniuses that somehow sussed that doing nothing is a perfect way to create change…
We pretty much deserve it at this point. I just wish so many innocent people didn’t have to suffer for it.
Don't be, most of us deserve it.
At least half of us do. The other half (mostly) tried to stop it.
The people who refused to vote also deserve it. That means most of us deserves this.
I also tried to stop it. I not only voted, I traveled hours to a purple state and canvassed. I donated. I constantly agitated at my workplace at the risk of my job.
Why do Americans still talk about the constitution like it means something or is still relevant?
Your constitution is GONE. It's a historical artifact. It has no meaning in today's America.
All that matters now is the whim of the emotional toddler in the White House. Get used to it. He's not going until he's dead.
They can't grasp that they will have to pick up arms to get their country back and they'll fight you about it too.
On trump's new voting machines with back end processing via musk's starlink. Like I say, he's not going till he's dead.
That's a show. There's not going to be elections anymore.
Putin holds elections. He wins them by implausible margins. Trump plans to do the same.
Here goes nothing:
Fuck Trump and his cronies of his so-called "administration"!
It was nice knowing all of you.
I can hardly believe that we have devolved so far, so quickly. We are literally one step away from becoming an authoritarian dictatorship. The plan is this:
Deport (and by deport, they mean imprison for life) immigrants. These immigrants will mostly be legitimately illegal and gang associated criminals, but there will be a few individuals with legal standing and no criminal records. This could simply be the result of denying due process, or it could be an intentional test. The important factor is that 5th Amendment Due process rights are denied to all of them. The fact that these people (but be sure to de-humanize them as much as possible) are immigrants will be the distracting factor. <---- We are here
Deport (and by deport, they mean imprison for life) criminals. These will be legitimate criminals with legitimately horrible records; that will be the distracting issue that will be made the focus of the argument: "They are serial killers, rapists, pedophiles, we don't want them here, so we should get rid of them." This has already been announced as the plan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUfrwWz-m5I . That is not the point! The point is that they are still U.S. citizens, despite their crimes. The significance of this is that it will be the final barrier that needs to be broken, and the final protection that must be dismantled for the final solution to be enacted. If no one steps up and successfully defends the constitutional rights of these American citizens, then all the pieces will be in place for step 3.
Deport (and by deport, they mean imprison for life) political dissidents, rivals, business opponents, and maybe just anyone the administration doesn't like. If they are political dissidents they will claim that they have committed crimes like, "hate speech against America(TM)", if they are a minority, they will be "associated with gangs", if they are business rivals it will have committed "economic terrorism", or something like that. It doesn't really matter because they eliminated due process in step 1 (remember that was the important factor, not the immigrant dis-tractor), and without due process they don't have to prove any crimes. Our last defense would have been the simple fact that we are American Citizens, but we established that doesn't matter in step 2 because they were "bad people", but now the "bad people" are whoever the administration decides is bad.
The context of the 5th amendment is important to understand its intent:
Even in a Monarchy, which is not the form of government we are supposed to have, the Magna Carta offered protections against the King from prosecuting commoners, which is the origin of this amendment. We aren't just devolving to pre-revolution America, which had enough disagreements with the rule of King George III that it sparked a war...no we are devolving to a pre-Magna Carta England type of Government. We are descending into middle-age feudalism with complete authoritarian rule.... and we aren't fortunate enough to have a dictator like Alfred the Great.
It's the one thing he was truly honest about and they laughed at him and watched marvel movies.
Exactly like Thiel and the creeps around him have envisioned it.
https://justplainkris.substack.com/p/the-tech-oligarchs-playbook-how-musk
thiel unlike many other billionaire seems to stay out of the spotlight, because they dont want attention upon themselves, hes a mastermind of TRUMP through vance. thiel being GAY also makes him a big target if hes in the news too many times. one of the reasons he went after gawker by using hogan as intermediary.
If they destroy the first, use the second. That's why it was ratified!
It wasn't. At all. And you can clearly see armed people aren't lining up to stop a clearly lawless authoritarian tyrant from holding power over them.
This all just got started. People are still hoping something changes before they have to commit murder. By next summer, the attitude will be different.
Just started? Are you fucking joking?
The law was put on place to maintain a standing US military, which was used to crush rebellions. People aren't attacking the government to put down tyranny. That's not a function of the US legal system.
That is a gross perversion if the 2nd Amendment, and the exact opposite of the intention if the Founding Fathers.
In a letter of thanks for a copy of the new Constitution, Thomas Jefferson wrote:
In the same letter, he also wrote:
In the same letter he also made an extremely prescient statement that seems to predict the rise of MAGA's adherance to the Conservative Propaganda Machine:
He was clearly in favor of rebellion, especially since he was instrumental in the rebellion that created America, and they clearly meant the 2nd Amendment to protect us from tyranny by giving us the means to rebel.
Free means all.
Rise, or fall.
This is my country. I don't hate the country but the trash humans who have grifted their way into power. Just like a nasty shit they to will pass into the sewers.
america means freedom and diversity and immigrants. the trump administration hates america
It is time to open up the bullet box. The conservatives are going to attempt imprisoning or killing any North American who doesn't bend the knee.
This timeline is way, way worse than the Bell Riots.
First of all, Sanctuary Districts in US cities weren't nearly as bad as supermax prisons in foreign countries.
Second, at least they actually rioted. We're still failing to do so, for some reason.
Can’t riot if only go outdoor twice a month to politely protest for part of a day .
Can’t organize riots in social posts.
Small groups of wealthy and influential citizens cannot ask, once more, if you will please riot.
The USA cannot riot at all right now.
It’s broken
Hands off rally is Saturday. Over 400 participating cities.https://www.axios.com/2025/04/15/50501-protests-saturday-trump
Imagine if everyone just donated $10. We could fund our own think tank one that actually does the research, develops strategy, identifies pressure points, crafts effective slogans, and figures out how to organize and target key demographics for real impact.
I'm tired of the usual approach where people are randomly called to show up and yell. It’s not working. Meanwhile, our opponents are using think tanks to play the long game and win. We're playing checkers while they're playing chess.
We need to face the facts: they're outmaneuvering us. If we want to stand a chance, we have to stop reacting and start adapting, using some of the same strategic tools, but with our own values and purpose.
They have so much money that they can easily corrupt those initiatives that’s why it’s hard
They can even buy the president
Think about it. What do we have and do for free that costs them millions to sustain
welp that's most of my posts
If you live in the USA, protect your privacy any time you post something. Lemmy might be even worse than Reddit when it comes to privacy since it's impossible to wipe all your data (while Reddit can be forced to do so by anyone "in Europe").
+ Reddit monopolized the access to it's data. There everyone with an instance can vacuum up every post\comment\vote. Only PMs and credentials are between you and your admin. I prefer everyone to have access rather than the highest bidder, but it means there's no safeguard of said bidding, and users should be aware of it and pick an according mode of interacting there.
It’s cute you think Reddit ever actually deletes anything
Europe doesn't mind fining big corporations that want to operate on their territory without following their laws.
guns. purge.
Nah, they got guns just for school shootings. /s
What makes you think that is on the agenda? Hate is their specialty. A divided people are no threat to the oligarchy. Hate for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
Hate has been actively cultivated online through various psyop campaigns over the years. It may have started offline but it skyrocketed with the growth of the internet to specifically destabilize the US.
They don’t want people to stop hating. They want the us to consume itself.
They're wiping their asses with the whole Constitution.
Free means all.
Rise, or fall.
Skipping the first amendment would be making some speech illegal. With like a law and courts. They are also skipping the 5th, which would be due process.
The Founding Fathers gave us the 2nd Amendment as a protection against anyone who would take away any of the other amendments. These people are DARING us to use it.
If congress doesn't impeach and remove, I don't see any other way this shit will end.
Wow, what a dumb thing to claim when you have surrounded yourself with “free speech absolutists”. They are going to lose it on him, right? …. Right?
This kind of speech that Miller is speaking sounds very unamerican to me, so let’s deport him first.
I'm really sick of these fucking Nazis.
A line has been crossed, especially if you've ever taken the oath of enlistment or office.
It is time to defend our constitution.
Fuck him.
With a rusty pipe. I preach hate for America, were the baddies. Come get me pussy.
I'm gonna laugh so hard if the polls are correct (Canada has less of an issue here) and Trump causes Pierre Populism to go from a majority to a minority. I'm still voting and I am encouraging everyone I know to as well.
The polls suggest a Liberal majority and PP might lose his seat.
They will cook the voting machines
Then for some reason there won’t be a hand recount
And the fascists are in charge
That’s what happened in USA
Not saying it's impossible but highly unlikely. Votes are done by paper here still
"Veering into authoritarian territory"?! They set course for that the moment he was sworn in and floored it, have you not been paying attention?!
Since before even lol
Well before. The only thing he has been open and honest about. yet here we are.
I legit hate this guy... Not America just this one dude.
This walking penis needs to be catapulted into the sun.
This will not end well
The only constitution the fascists care about is the Rapist's daily constitutional.
They sift through his soiled diapers each day like oracles reading the tea leaves.
(I'm so sorry for forcing that image into your head)
Not American but I hate the USA's current administration. I am neither ashamed nor scared to say this. I presume this would be labeled as hate since I can't see why their definition of "hate" wouldn't be incredibly vague so as to hurt as many people as possible.
This shit has me legitimately worried
Hey, I might be able to become a Canadian refugee. Sweet
So, where do we
gethave to go when they deport us? I'm Irish/Scottish from about 400 years back, so my ancestors were literally here before the USA existed. Do Igethave to go back "home"? Because I've always wanted to go!Oh they will simply ship you to El Salvador like everyone else.
Yeah I don't think it'll be funny anymore when you're on a plane to El Salvador.
The fact that we have nowhere to be deported to is literally the point.
Your wish is granted. Half of you will be mailed to Ireland, the other half to Scotland.
CECOT concentration camp.
Just for the record, I hate America and I think you should too.
Kapo Stephen "PeeWee Himmler" Miller.
He's been in office 3 months. Please kill me, make it quick
Just start yelling about supporting Palestine. It'll probably happen
This is the part of the story where I'm sent to a camp while the genocidal libs who told me to vote for them do absolutely nothing.
(And no I don't live in a place where my vote matters.)
I mean, the libs are going into the camp as well. Specifically, the ones that wanted you to vote for them most likely a target. Trump's admin is clearly trying to flex their power, now that they're ignoring the rightwing Supreme Court and completely ignoring due process. Why would they want to continue to tolerate any political threats to their power at all?
Maybe you'll get to see Nancy Pelosi, AOC, Chuck Schumer, and Bernie Sanders all in the Salvadoran Gulag with you. Maybe you'll even meet me there. We can all go and bitch at each other while the fascists torture us all to death.
serves you right for not voting for the pro-genocide candidate over the other pro-genocide candidate
This shit and people like the president, are why we fucking hate this shithole of a country.
Laws are only words on paper if no one bothers to enforce it. Even moreso when it comes to constitutions.
This reminds me, i have to sharpen my guillotine.
Hello...? ACLU? Journalists? Lawyers?Congresspeople? Senators? It's the 1st Amendment. The very first one! They should be suing this administration and blasting this out every single day. And we all should be calling our representatives every day, marching, and protesting. To start. Our democracy and country is being strangled, and the silence is deafening.
I think we are a little bit past lawsuits and the ACLU. The rule of law is dead. Now there is only action and consequence.
Dems are captured oposition. Best you can hope for now is state seccessions or a military coup/junta. Baring that, you won't believe how bad things are going to get.
Best hope is still Americans getting together and organizing civil society to oppose the trump administration.
More than half of American voted FOR this. I think you're misjudging the severity of the situation.
No, more than half did not vote for this
Not even half of our voting eligible population voted for this
I stand corrected. 49.8% of people who could be bother to vote did.
Also those who aren't allowed, those whose ability to vote was surprised, etc.
But go ahead and keep pretending half the country voted for something or was too lazy to vote, it surely couldn't be anything else
More than half of American voted FOR this. I think you're misjudging the severity of the situation.
the DINOs are essentially republicans that would never get elected as an R, so they pretend to be on the otherside, and they would like to keep the money train going with trump in power, because they benefit from it too.
Everyone is suing. They’re ignoring the courts and suing news agencies that are telling the truth
All you have left is to literally fight. No court or paperwork will help you. Proven repeatedly yet you grasp at something that hasn't existed for some time.
To Scotlavador, yes
I'm unable to say what I'd like to say about this, sooooo, I'm just going to recommend a good movie.
It's called Inglorious Bastards, it's a wonderful film.
Also, baseball is a great pass time. 🐻 Go Cubs!
I've got another movie recommendation: Winter on Fire
Wolfenstein is a good game I’ve heard.
I've heard that as well. I can also remember a time when pap paw would have gotten up out of his wheelchair to kill one last Nazi. I think it's really interesting that the rise of open neo-nazism seemed to neatly coincide with most of the old WWII vets dying off or getting farmed off to nursing homes.
This is correct. Not only did I learn from my elders about how shitty the Nazis were. I got to slaughter thousands in multiple games over multiple genres. I still have the belief today, the only good nazi is a dead nazi.
"We don't need no first amendment" (with apologies to Pink Floyd)
"How can you have any rights without the Constitution!? " (still in the Floyd vein)
He means anyone who doesn't kiss his ass.
After all the stuff Stephen Miller pulled during Trumps first term, I can't believe no one made sure he couldn't do it again. Apparently, I'm an idiot for thinking someone would hold him accountable.
Could you remind us all the stuff he pulled?
Are you an adult? Look it up. We can start with his program to kidnap thousands of brown children and put them in cages without a thought on how to return them to their families, because that wasn't what that program was designed for. It was designed to be a campaign of terror for anyone asking for shelter in the United States.
Just looked it up, Google says he wrote some of Trump's speeches in the first term.
Republicans hate America and half of Americans.
They will self deport then?
The world would be a better place if Stephen Miller never said or wrote another word. He's more hateful of the Constitution than anyone in the country. He's a white supremacist bigot who is scared of his own shadow, and when cornered by his idiocy in an interview the only thing he knows how to do is fake outrage to dodge.
Canada, please no Poilievre.
it's just yo scare you into complacency, you can say anything in a speech
My gut wants to say that this is maybe intended to distract us from keeping focus on the embarrassments of the Signal debacle and the tanking economy. But my gut also tells me that we can have multiple awful things piling up on each other.
To be honest, the Signal debacle was a way to distract us from the literal bombing that they were using Signal to plan.
Way worse stuff going on. Elon is pilfering data and firing people ever day. Election laws are changing. Lawyers are getin sued into compliance with Maga policies.
See, this is why I hate America.
Does that mean they can deport Trump?
I've heard a bit about Stephen Miller. He's a real piece of work and unfortunately seems to have the intelligence to follow through on his beliefs.
Two podcasts
[Opening Arguments] There’s Something Deeply Wrong With Stephen Miller (And There Always Has Been) https://podcastaddict.com/opening-arguments/episode/187901295
[The Daily] Stephen Miller’s Return to Power
I'm surprised more animus isn't directed toward him specifically. I suspect he's the mastermind behind most of the worst policies coming out of this administration.
Vice News long ago ran a profile on him covering his hard-right radicalization starting from his reaction to his liberal high school in Santa Monica. Unfortunately, this video of that on facebook is all I can find.
See my edit for podcasts.
FUCK AMERICA FUCK TRUMP FUCK NAZIS FUCK ALL YOU SCUMBAGS COME AFTER ME
Primitive mindset, cave men politics.
Sure, just let them try to take out someone like John Stewart, or Stephen Colbert. Hell, I might even show up for Rachel Maddow...
So when will Dipshit Donny be escorted out?
kinda like how SA have banned LGBTq, immediately deports people if they come out.
Hi, I hate America, please deport me.
Pretty please?
I'm a citizen, but that shouldn't matter anymore...
Not like they will deport you back to your "country of origin" or some tropical getaway. They will send you to a torture prison to die a slow death. Defend yourself, arm yourself, prepare to die if/when they come, because the alternative is way worse.
I'm surprised none of these kidnappings have become violent. I mean they're not trying anyone anyhow.
I can't even imagine why they haven't all become violent. Maybe I'm too Canadian to underatand.
I dont hate America. I hate the US.
A lunatic Nazi clown says what?
Don’t forget about the fifth and sixth amendments that they’re also skipping.
And they have the nerve to complain about the lack of "free speech" on Twitter
Well they have abandoned the Constitution
Why would they care?
at this point, fuck U.S
SovCits: "oh darn"
ARE YOU DETAINING ME, I HAVE RIGHT TO TRAVEL.
Start talking about how you love it when Americans are good to each other, and when they want each other to have things like healthcare.
Better get his fat orange ass on the next plane to el Salvador then. He hates america more than anyone else
if anyone who “preaches hate for America” will face deportation, then trump will face deportation
July 4, 1776-April 14, 2025.
If they choose to try to me and mine, I will not say I will survive the encounter, but they will lose at least the first 10.
GOLLY, SOMEBODY SHOULD REALLY [ Removed by Reddit ].
You're talking about the Trump Administration, right?
I'm talking about all of the administrations.
Did other administrations pickup people on the street and send people to El Salvador?
You mean illegal immigrants and people violating/overstaying their visas?
What excuse will you use when they start deporting criminals that are 100% US citizens? Will you use the excuse that "Hey, they are criminals".
What excuse will you use when they start deporting media members, podcasters and social media influencers? Will you use the excuse, "Well they shouldn't be talking shit on America?"
What excuse will we use for you?
What excuse? Why would I complain about living in the USA? If you think this country is so horrible to live in, move to Afghanistan. Or even Palestine. Oh wait ....
Fuck you. Trans people are moving because of what's happening. Just fuck right off with your bullshit.
No, I mean people who have green cards and married to citizens.
No, that's going too far. I think the criminals and the visa violations are legit, but the green card holders and the married immigrants should receive some leeway.
If there's legal paperwork in motion , they should be protected.
. . . "some leeway". That's a nice way to say "this never should have fucking happened, ever". Legal paperwork my ass.
Edit: how about this? We toss you in prison for a few months while "legal paperwork" is in motion. Would that be alright with you?