Spyke
lemmy.ml

Damn that FDA and their suppression of...*checks list...sunshine?

Was the solar eclipse an inside job?!?

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Dasusreply
lemmy.world

I think it's like the FDA having just reasonable guidelines on how much UV you can safely be exposed to. RFKJR prolly thinks sun lotion prevents all the healthiness from the sun and crystallises your amygdala or something along those lines.

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lemmy.ca

It's Vitamin D. There was this whole thing during the COVID pandemic about how the FDA/CDC were SUSPICIOUSLY QUIET about how impactful Vitamin D levels were on COVID outcomes or something and how that's how you know that... something something sinister ulterior motives.

So like the idea was that everybody going outside and getting some sun was actually the best thing for public health, but THEY were telling you to languish inside under lockdowns, because clearly they didn't want you to be healthy.

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Dasusreply
lemmy.world

Yeah, I know it's Vitamin D you get from the sun, but for instance exposing yourself to sun that requires sun lotion, you're still getting all the vitamin D you can use.

Idk this might be a bullshit stat, but here in Finland you here all sorts of things about vitamin D and sunshine, so iirc, I think like 15 minutes in the sun already gives you your daily dose of vitamin D.

So it's not exactly a good reason to lift the lockdown when people can just go out to walk their dog and have all the benefits that one can get from the sun. It's not like sun worshipping yourself until you look like a two-day old hotdog is anything healthy. The sort of tanning RFK JR seems to have practiced. I had a friend (woman) who just loved suntanning. Like crazy much. And smokes. She wasn't too bad looking when I worked with her, but god she's gonna look like wrinkled leather in 10 years.

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Valmondreply
lemmy.world

Just to chime in, vitamin D deficiency is extremely common:

Recent large observational data have suggested that ~40% of Europeans are vitamin D deficient, and 13% are severely deficient [2]

Study with source

Vitamin D deficiency has also been linked to dementia and other bice diseases. I bet 15 minutes sunlight won't cut it and sunbathing gives you skin cancer in the long run, so get some supplements people!

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Dasusreply
lemmy.world

Yeah, it is. And even moreso here in the Nordics.

I take a vitamin D supplement every day. Especially in the winter.

I quickly googled and a Finnish article says that during summertime, wearing just shorts, you can get your daily amount half an hour. But that's midsummer sun and midday.

But in countries where it's more intense...

Anyway, supplementation is definitely necessary for most people, especially during winter.

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Swedish here, but I live in France.

Modern day people are often stuck inside (of the car, house, office) during daylight times.

Also, when you get a sunburn in 20 minutes you avoid the sun when you are outside...

So yeah, supplements FTW!

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It's funny because I remember specific provisions for allowing people to go outside for exercise lmao

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lemmy.world

It's quite likely a belief that sunscreen lotion is a bad thing that harms people. Found that one out from an old high school crush from FL. She looks like leather now.

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Lodespawnreply
aussie.zone

There was a finding a few years ago that while preventing skin cancer, sunscreen was also causing people in some places to get less vitamin d which was increasing instances of colon cancer. The solution isn't banning sunscreen, it's making sure people get some small amount of sun or supplements vitamin d.

Being from Oz I never really considered issues with vitamin d until I moved to the UK for a few years and discovered that limited vitamin d is a real problem in winter. Im not sure on the deficiency you need for colon cancer but a few weeks of little to no Sun really messes with your head and body.

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lemmy.world

Being from Oz

Did the Wicked movie get the look right? It seems like a fun place apart from all the fascism.

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"There are a lot of ingredients in cosmetics, hair care and sunscreen that can act as endocrine mimickers in a lab, meaning they kind of act like a hormone," Waldman explains.
But He stresses that, when it comes to chemical sunscreen ingredients, the potential link largely comes from animal studies that likely don't translate to humans. For instance, in many studies, researchers are feeding large amounts of these ingredients to mice, He explains, which is "not really comparable to a human situation."

EDIT: So no, no they don't in humans.

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gruereply
lemmy.world

It’s quite likely a belief that sunscreen lotion is a bad thing that harms people.

I mean, it halfway is:

  • "Sunscreen" -- stuff with a decently high SPF rating -- is a good thing that prevents cancer.

  • "Suntan lotion" -- usually glorified coconut oil with fuck-all SPF rating -- is a bad thing that harms people.

  • "Sunscreen lotion" -- a confused amalgamation of the previous terms -- is not a thing and only misleads people by conflating good things with harmful ones.

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Ixoidreply

'Lotion' implies that it's moisturiser-based, not that it has any tanning properties.

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GBU_28reply
lemm.ee

When was the last time your big FDA doctor told you to sun your butthole? Why would they hide that from you?

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meeeeetchreply
lemmy.world

Because your dermatologist isn't used to checking for skin cancer where the sun don't shine.

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dubvee.org

In all that crazy, there's, shockingly, two good points:

  1. Psychedelics. There's at least anecdotal evidence they're good for treating certain traumas / PTSD. So, yeah, we should be looking into their medicinal applications. But is it the FDA or the DEA that's cockblocking those?

  2. Stem cells. Abso-fucking-lutely yes. But wasn't it the "pro life" people holding that up?

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FundMECFSreply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

Stem cells.

He’s not talking about the stem cells that can cure a select few diseases.

He’s talking about an alternative medicine thing which is basically sticking cells from your right arm into your left arm and calling it “stem cell therapy” then claiming it can cure hundreds of diseases.

There is zero evidence (or RCTs) showing his version of “stem cells” works.

The FDA bases approval on two highly successful phase 3 RCTs of a specific drug for a specific condition. You can read more about that process here

Neither psychedelics not RFK’s version of stem cell therapy has that yet.

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Thanks for clarifying. I took the mention of stem cells in the wall of crazy tweet to be the more credible form of stem cell therapy. Considering I was fully aware of who was making the statement, the fault is mine.

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I suspect my insurance company will soon cover shoving goat testicles into my scrotum. I'll be so virile!

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I mean psychedelics really shouldn't be suppressed as much as they want, but with him gutting all actual medical science, they're not gonna be helping much.

They have tons of potential and power, but binging mushrooms for three days and dancing in circles isn't probably the only way we can utilise them. (I'm not saying it's a bad one, just not necessarily suited for everyone.)

And actually if psychedelics gets lumped into his shit it might just be a step back for research on psychedelics when eventually this craziness of his blows up in his face. Hopefully before he implements any of it. Or even gets into office.

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My concern is that his definition of clean food is incompatible with a sane definition of clean food.

We're talking about a man who got mercury poisoning from eating unsafe fish, and ate meat that caused a worm to eat part of his brain. His standards for food safety are clearly not the same as mine.

If he were to assert that pasteurizing milk causes nearsightedness and lazy eye, I wouldn't not be surprised.

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dubvee.org

Right, but we already have that so I left it off the list. Not that there aren't things that slip through, but that's mostly a matter of enforcement and ensuring compliance (both things I do not expect him to take seriously).

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lemm.ee

We don't really. The EU refuses to import things like US chicken because of our food processes.

EU food standards are leagues past ours, but the core reason is regulating some of our worst factory farm processes. More regulation will absolutely not happen for 4 years, so no real progress will be made.

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ricecakereply
sh.itjust.works

That "worst factory farm process" is cleaning chicken with cleaning agents generally regarded as safe.

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R40199.pdf

The EU food safety agencies have issued opinions that it's fine, and the EU would resume importing US poultry if it weren't for that. The same agents are allowed to be used on other imported and domestically produced foods.
The conditions in our typical poultry facility are perfectly in line with theirs, we just allow an additional rinse that they don't.

Our food supply is nowhere near as gross as people seem convinced.
The biggest threat to the cleanliness of our food supply is actually people like RFK who view the food safety apparatus as the enemy.

I really don't see the incoming administration blocking washing poultry with vinegar or a dilute bleach solution and compensating with increased staffing for food inspection agents. More likely they approve requests by the meat industry to be able to do their own inspection and reduce independent verification in the name of "efficiency".

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GRAS can be self-affirmed by companies. It's a huge loophole.

Also, the conditions chickens are raised and slaughtered in the US as well as its dependence on undocumented workers that will not jeopardize their jobs by reporting safety issues or contamination hazards are also really large problems.

Our food supply has issues I would consider pretty gross and it's going to get a whole lot worse over the next few years.

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In the case of the food cleaning sprays, I didn't use "generally regarded as safe" in the sense they use it for food additives, I meant it in the plain English sense. The list of acceptable sprays is codified by the FDA and both the US and EU food safety organizations acknowledge that the risk of public health because of them is negligibly low. That's why the EU also uses the same sprays, just not for poultry specifically. Our standards are otherwise completely compatible .

I'm not saying there aren't gross things in our food system, or things we allow that others don't. I'm saying the poultry thing isn't one of them, and the reputation our food system has as a disgusting free for all is unwarranted.

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For point one, there was a big study about it but it turned out the study co-ordinators were intimidating people into saying that it helped them when it didn't. This is why psychedelics are still banned because the "scientists" that were trying to prove that they were safe fucked up in the dumbest possible way.

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He also talked about obstructive health patents. I'll take "Things that he won't follow through on" for 500.

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wewbullreply
feddit.uk

There are also very good reasons to think that the money in medicine distorts and corrupts the science. Fact is the proper trials are very expensive and the only institutions that can afford them are pharmaceutical corporations. So the only treatments that get trailed are the ones that make good business sense.

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gruereply
lemmy.world

So RFK Jr's Dept. of HHS is going to increase government grants for pharmaceutical research, right?

...right?

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No idea. Can't get a handle on the guy at all. He's all over the place.

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We can simply harvest stem cells from the lowest status minorities in the deportation camps

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My guy, Peptides and SARMS are also super interesting,think of it as the middleground between sports suplements and steroids, chemicals to fuck with your hormones in specific ways. Im taking 4 seperate ones at the moment and my biggest worry is "Am I getting whats on the label" and the biggest reason I dont know is that the FDA wont approve them for human consumption, even though thousands of people do.

I know I might be placing myself at risk of side effects, but I'm already doing it! I'm going to continue doing it, at least let me know my BPC157 is legit.

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Psychedelics have been studied using grants for years now, and al it of research has already been done and psychologists are using them in micro doses. RFK is a fucking clown, hopefully he visits the level 4 infectious diseases and licks the vials.

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lemm.ee

Vaccines are the laziest, lowest effort medicine we have. There is no medical treatment that is more effective for so little actual work on the part of the patient. Which is exactly the kind of medicine we need to have the greatest impact on the population base.

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sh.itjust.works

Even better than that. You take the medicine and it reduces everyone else's risk of getting sick, even the ones that refuse to take the medicine. It's the closest thing we have IRL to literal magic.

As an immunocompromised person, thank you to everyone who gets vaccinated against communicable disease, you make my world a little less heinous to navigate.

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I appreciate your gratitude and I really do hope it does some good for others... Especially because I really hate needles but I have it done anyway for this reason. Lol 😬

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Lemminaryreply
lemmy.world

People like RFK don't get it. Also, has anyone seen a fucking microchip in a syringe... ever?

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zephorahreply
lemm.ee

I think it’s a large variation of a syringe needle that chips our pets, but aside from that monstrously large setup that isn’t even used on humans, no.

Closest thing I can think of is the capsule sized camera that can be swallowed to collect data as it travels through that long tube that connect mouth to anus. Even then, I’ve never seen that setup used on anyone.

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Lemminaryreply
lemmy.world

Yeah, that's what I mean. You can feel the microchip under the skin with the real ones. But we're shown a clear liquid going in. Where are the 'chips?

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hitmyspotreply
aussie.zone

Nanotechnology exists. Not in vaccines, but it's still a thing.

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They give modern tech too much credit. But I wonder what we could create if we wanted to.

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You can't see them without a microscope, duhhh.

That's why they're called MICRO-chips.

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lemmy.world

In the bio hacking world, yea. There are reprogrammable RFID implants that you can get. They are rather large though and kind of suck when trying to use. Check out dangerousthings.com

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I love the idea of bio hacking. Too bad the things they do have such poor risk to utility ratio 😂

When do I get my cyborg legs? That’s what I wanna know

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How does Hep C cause spasmodic dysphonia? I can’t say I’ve ever seen that on the general medical Hep C bingo card.

Link?

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fedia.io

"You know what they call alternative medicine that works? Medicine."

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sh.itjust.works

Wait so he is pro psychedelics?

Huh, it would be really weird if the US legalized acid.

If maga starts doing acid to own the libs maybe they would finally start questioning things.

I know I’m wrong, but one can hope can’t they?

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Psythikreply
lemmy.world

Yeah this is actually really hopeful in a fucked up way. I really hope they legalize psychedelics. They are an extremely effective way to get people to stop voting republican. Worked for me. It woke something up in me that made me realize how selfish and self-serving that entire party is. I'm the only one in my family who no longer votes republican, and also the only one who has tried psychedelics. I think that says a lot.

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mander.xyz

Honestly, some of these pricks could really probably benefit from getting out of their head for a bit lol.

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sh.itjust.works

When people talk about psychedelics converting everyone to the left, I think about Joe Rogan, and how he has had many many more psychedelic experiences than your average person. Also, assholes like John McAfee, exist. So, psychedelics don't seem to automatically make everyone empathetic, like is so often preached.

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I would love for this to be true, and I believe there are many benefits to psychedelics…but then I remember the Manson family existed

Edit: I fully support psychedelics..just saying.
And on a friendlier, non-Manson note. Please share your favorite psych related music @ [email protected]

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The thing with psychedelics is that you only see what you bring with you

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If there's anything psychedelics do, it's prompting you to question your existence.

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It's the brain worms trying to protect themselves legally from the side effects of having brain worms.

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lemmy.ml

Stem cells? Does he know what party he's hitched his wagon to?

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boolyreply
sh.itjust.works

Oh, he knows. They took him on an airplane and made him eat food he had just called "poison" for a photo shoot.

He couldn't say no, because of the implication.

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Obviously if he did say no, they wouldn't make him eat it. But the thing is, he's not gonna say no, because of the implication.

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I actually met this mother fucker in Mexico in 1999, giving a talk on habitat preservation at Lagoona San Ignacio to a bunch of C list celebrities who were there to support the Natural Resource Defense Council and it's efforts to stop Mitsubishi from building a salt extraction plant in the middle of a gray whale breeding sanctuary (super good cause).

I was there with a bunch of high school students who's rich white parents paid for them to go on an expensive ass field trip to watch whales fuck (and do eco protest activist tourism). Coincidentally, the NRDC was there too and they got really excited to invite a bunch of American highschool students to their media shindig.

RFK Jr. got SUPER drunk and gave a sloppy, rambling, barely coherent speech, thanking people for their generosity. The kids were like "WTF is up with this dude? We've never seen grownups act like this!"

We did get to hear some really cool marine biologists talk about gray whales. Then one of THEM (Roger Payne, I think) got really drunk too and told us "Whales are people damn it! But you can't publish that! You can't fucking publish that!"

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This is like, one mention of "nuclear wessels" away from being a deleted scene from Star Trek IV.

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sh.itjust.works

[…] psychedelics […]

I'm glad that it seems like the war on drugs is showing cracks. I completely support a move to legalize psychedelics.

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The carrot got dangled in front of the US population for decades and now it's going to be handed out by the guy holding a knife in his other hand.

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dollereply
feddit.dk

Yes, but it shouldn't be legalized for the wrong reasons. We used to justify legalization using arguments about personal freedom for recreational use and pushing for more rigorous research into the therapeutic use cases. Now its popularity in the population is just used to push a pseudo-scientific and anti-science agenda.

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Kalciferreply
sh.itjust.works

Yes, but it shouldn’t be legalized for the wrong reasons.

This is kind of an interesting thought, imo. If one agrees with the resultant policy, does the rationale used to get there matter? Perhaps it does in principle, but I wonder if it matters in practice. The end result is the same.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

I think the implications here is that the reasons it gets legalized can have an impact on the specifics of the policy. Which would mean that they wouldn't agree with the policy beyond the legalization itself.

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Kalciferreply
sh.itjust.works

I think the implications here is that the reasons it gets legalized can have an impact on the specifics of the policy.

Could you elaborate on what you mean?

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

If the brain worms tell RFK Jr. That psychedelics are actually a cancer cure, then legislation could be put forth to legalize psychedelics. But rather than allowing recreational use, or using them for a medical purpose based on scientific fact such as use in conjunction with therapy to treat depression, it could be legalized as prescribed medication for cancer. This has the drawbacks of not allowing access to people that could actually benefit from it, as well as now being used as a snake oil cure for something completely unrelated that will prevent people from getting other more effective treatment.

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I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying. I was outlining an example where the outcome is favorable by all parties, but the principles used to arrive at the outcome differ. If I understand you correctly, you seem to be describing an outcome that wouldn't be favorable for all parties.

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It does not matter morally, but does rhetorically and politically. The result of neglecting the latter is your rhetoric can be abused, see OP

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If the end result is that psychedelics get used as an excuse to take power away from the FDA, then everybody's safety gets compromised in all areas of healthcare.

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I mean there's already quite some research with psychedelics showing positive results. Expecting RFK to act on facts and science is wishful thinking. We can just be thankful that his twisted mind aligns with science at least in this position.

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sh.itjust.works

Plus, a bunch of conservatives will see the raw milk part and die from listeria. It's a win-win!

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A broken clock is right twice a day. A random number generator will also occasionally give you the right answer.

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True story, I went to my doctor about losing some weight as I was close to getting diabetes. For some reason, my doctor loudly proclaimed "Here is a prescription for some meds" while handing me the prescription.

It wasn't a prescription for meds. My doctor wrote "Due to Big Pharma and the FDA listening in, I have to prescribed various meds. You really should eat healthy diet that has a healthy amount of calories made up of vegetables and fruit. I needed get exercise and should spend time outside to help everything."

Big Pharma is everywhere! /s

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aussie.zone

Yeah it's the FDA keeping people from exercising.

What he's missing is that people who want raw milk are already finding ways to get it. And people who understand the safety issues won't buy it.

There might be some real self selection and culling of the right wing heard about to happen. Maybe this is for the greater good after all?

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As someone who does performance enhancing substances and has a keen interest in Peptides and Sarms, I believe that some good could come from this.

Lets not pretend that the FDA hasnt created a walled garden with an insanely high barrier of entry for new drugs and compounds. Its prohibitively expensive to develop anything new and interesting. Especially in the space I mentioned where literally thousands of people are doing those drugs every day. But with precious fuckall in the way of actual literature on doses or quality sources.

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lemmynsfw.com

Fucking FDA and big Pharma having a stranglehold on vitamins, exercise and su-...and ..sunshine..

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Carroladereply
lemmy.world

Don't forget the FDA's aggressive suppression of exercise.

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burritoreply
sh.itjust.works

The solar panels are sucking all the energy from the sun and not allowing anyone else to use it.

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Ackchyually, I think you'll find it's Donald Trump sucking up all the sunlight and injecting it directly into people's veins

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djsoren19reply
yiffit.net

It would suck for the rubes who can be fooled into taking poison, but it would be kinda based if RFK just legalized everything. Reality might turn to shit, but at least we can get high however we want!

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lemmy.world

I wonder how hard it will be to tell the good stuff from the poison. Depending on just how unregulated they go, labels might not even match contents.

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GiveMemesreply
jlai.lu

Probably easier than now considering the decrease in stigma and increased impetus for testing as well as elimination of the black market.

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naunreply
lemmy.world

I doubt that. Erasing stigma is an important step in researching these drugs. Reclassification so that they are accessable for research is another. However, proper regulation is required so that you know what you're getting and in the right dosage. The incoming administration want more deregulation. That will mean that quality of supply will be less reliable.

We are still dealing with increaing outbreaks of foodborne illness because of deregulation from the last Trump government. And this affects more than just Americans. I'm in Canada, but because we import food from the US, we are also exposed to these illnesses. My immunocompromised sister had a bout of listeria from food that she should have been able to trust. (I can't remember which food at the moment). I still have granola bars in my home that I haven't disposed of yet which were part of a separate recall.

Proper regulation works quietly for the average person. When it's working correctly, you don't notice the myriad of ways that you're kept safe every day. It's when it fails that we notice.

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GiveMemesreply
jlai.lu

Illegal drugs are already a black market and that's the context of this reply thread. Feel free to reread it if need be. Nowhere did I say that I agree with RFK's approach broadly as you seem to imply. The comment I made was clearly about illegal drugs, responding to a reply thread about legalization of illegal (recreational) drugs.

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naunreply
lemmy.world

And my comment is that, with deregulation, you probably won't be sure about the content, quality, or dosage of legal drugs. If it were properly regulated, you'd be safe.

Also, nowhere did I imply that you agree with his approach. You asked a question and I answered it. I don't have any opinion about your opinion about him. I gave you my opinion about him, the incoming administration, and the upcoming fallout.

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lemmy.world

I'm not even talking about the fun drugs, but things like a bottle of vitamin supplements, over the counter, or prescription medication. Sure, you can test a batch, but will that mean testing one pill out of each bottle? Or could consistency drop enough that one pill might not say much about the others in the bottle?

Will testing resources get stretched to the point where many won't be able to afford them if we'll need to test each bottle of pills we buy to make sure the producer didn't just stick a nice label on lead pills to make a quick buck and disappear in the night before the fallout?

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GiveMemesreply
jlai.lu

That was the context of this conversation though. The original comment was about legalizing/decriminalization of psychs, and the reply that you originally responded to was about legalizing (one would assume based on the subject matter) other recreational drugs.

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That's fair and to be clear, I wasn't intending to contradict what you were saying but to clarify the scope of my comment was intended to be "anything in a package with a label where you trust that the contents match the label".

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No, he won't. Or he might, ostensibly, but they will never be propery researched and they will never be properly regulated, so you won't really know what you're getting or how it should be administered, so good luck with that.

The only thing you can reliably count on with the incoming administration is that whatever they are doing, they are doing to make themselves and their friends wealthier, at the expense of the rest of the public. Unfortunately, that doesn't only mean finacial expense.

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piefed.social

Apparently now conservatism is just constantly relitigating every minor perceived slight.

For the most part, liberals have moved past the fact that these assholes held the country hostage and killed a million people throwing their tantrum.

Meanwhile, conservatives are like "we haven't forgotten that you made fun of us for the horse dewormer thing."

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auzyreply
lemmy.world

Yeah. They were pretty adamant lefties were easily triggered a few years ago

Now they believe lefties are destroying the environment, and are having a temper tantrum over a lie as stupid as people eating pets told by a guy who lies about everything

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lemmy.world

That's okay I'm going to be eating popcorn in Chicago well Florida gets drowned by climate change. And I seriously can't wait for that day.

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syreusreply
lemmy.world

In all likelihood you will be too busy with the flooding, the heatwave, or the tornados.

People forget climate change is going to affect nearly every corner of society. There will be very little safe haven and overcrowding in those spared the most.

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Disinformation coming out of the FDA is a real issue though, it's just that RFK isn't exactly the person we should want trying to fix it. His list covers the entire spread from significant real issues to batshit crazy conspiracy theory, leaning heavily towards the latter.

It's notable that the areas in most need of reform were all broken by conservative politicians.

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Yup none of these people in Trump's purview are actively trying to conserve the rate of change.

They should not be labeled conservative by anyone any longer.

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sh.itjust.works

[…] ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine […]

I'll be honest, I don't really understand this one. I'd guess that this is likely some hold over grudge from COVID, but I don't really understand why it's still a concern to get, presumably, more open access to those drugs. Aren't we long past that conversation? Feels like beating a dead horse.

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Lizreply
midwest.social

I'm literally taking hydroxychloroqine right now. There's no difficulty in accessing it. Not unless you consider needing a prescription difficult.

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She takes it from those poor covid infected conspiracy nuts and Hoards it!

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lemmy.world

Feels like beating a dead horse.

At least that horse won’t have parasites with all the ivermectin RFK Jr. is going to feed it.

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why would he waste perfectly good ivermectin on a horse he's just planning to run over, beat, and then dump in central park anyways?

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He rants about the FDA suppressing things big pharma can't patent... Did they not develop and patent these?

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lemm.ee

Don't worry, everyone! While we will ignore science and make sure you don't have vaccines, you'll have shrooms, rock crystals, and essential oils when bird flu finally hits.

Or I eat a dead bat and become patient zero for Ebola. It's all good! - RFK Jr

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lemmy.ml

The Democrats should create a shadow presidential cabinet where the health secretary gives science backed advice for people who are looking for it. It would be better to have a centralised political source rather than having everyone independently search Healthline

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The worst part is that they really didn't, they just didn't know that they didn't. They won't realize for a while (until it affects them personally). Some never will.

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sh.itjust.works

[…] raw milk […]

I'd support raw milk being legal for consumers to purchase so long as the manufacturers of said raw milk could be held to account for harm caused to a consumer who purchased it under the belief that it was safe — likely, this would also mean that, if it isn't safe, the product containing raw milk must otherwise display explicit warnings. I think a person should be allowed to take take their own risks.

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auzyreply
lemmy.world

And parents are held responsible if they give it to kids

Insurance should also not need to cover sickness caused by it

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Oneserreply
lemm.ee

Insurance should cover everyone for everything and should remain affordable for all.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

I also think insurance shouldn't cover cancer treatment for smokers. Or diabetes treatment for overweight people. Or broken bones for skiers. Or literally anything for anyone who has ever done anything bad for them. /s

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auzyreply
lemmy.world

Why shouldn't they be able to sue cigarette companies or companies releasing unsafe products?

Why should my insurance be higher whilst cigarette companies are benefiting off their shit marketing

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One reason why people have historically had trouble suing tobacco companies is that non-smokers also get lung cancer. While we can say for sure that smoking makes it more likely you will get lung cancer, it's generally impossible to say any one person's lung cancer was caused by smoking. This is in contrast to say, someone who injures themselves climbing, where it is definitely 100% on them.

The real answer of course is that you're paying for it either way. Insured people pay absurdly over the odds to offset the amount of money lost on people who accrue medical debt and can't afford to pay it off.

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What is it with this americans aversion for raw milk, it's not like you'll fall down dead if you drink it.

Do you also burn your salmon and cook your meat?

In france there are lots of cheese (no really?) and many are forbidden for import to the USA because of stuff like raw milk. Guess that's why we have the watch coming by getting all the dead babies every tuesday.

Maybe I'm missing something, please do enlighten me!

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What if a child were given raw milk by their parents? Should a child be forced to pay for their parents' decisions, potentially with their life?

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Look up. That's why I said parents should be held responsible for serving it to kids

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And parents are held responsible if they give it to kids

Imo, only if it can be proven that the parent is being willfully negligent regarding the safety the child.

Also, if a product that claimed to be safe, but actually wasn't, was purchased and given to the child, then this responsibility should fall on the producer only.

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lemm.ee

Oh no it's the Sun everybody run inside -the FDA probably

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By that he means sunning his arsehole, of course. Great excuse for exposing yourself to minors.

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lemmy.world

Speaking of raw milk, bird flu has just been disovered in it. Buckle up, the next pandemic is coming. Maybe it will go down in history as the MAGA flu. Or Trumps.

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Gladaedreply
feddit.org

Ok, but have you had raw milk Camembert? That's probably the one thing from the list where you guys should be more lax.

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startrek.website

In fairness, cheese from france is probably safer raw because they don't have as many superfarms that are as prone to spreading diseases like bird flu

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There's also the fact that they take steps to hinder bad bacteria. While nurturing the good bacteria that makes their cheese. It's not like they just throw raw milk into a vat and pull out cheese.

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Raw milk for cheese isn't quite as big of deal as enthusiasts make it out to be. It's more the homogenization process that destroys milk for cheese than pasteurization. I've had alot of success mixing pasteurized skim milk and pasteurized heavy Cream to the ratio I want to make various cheeses. Using Homogenized milk though nearly always failed or gave extremely low yields for me though.

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sh.itjust.works

I think we should take full advantage of this opportunity. Ok, here we go.

"Robert F Kennedy Jr Is a 👶🗡️BABY MURDERER👶🗡️!!! He thinks people should inject 💉themselves with stem cells which is just a Demoncrat code name for little bits of 💀unborn baby💀! 👏President Trump 👏 is appointing a pro-choice Demoncrat 👹 BABY MURDERER to head up the FDA !! Pass it on and tell PRESIDENT Trump to not appoint ☠️BABY MURDER RFK JR ☠️ to run the FDA."

How am I doing so far?

Edit: Facebookified it a bit.

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lemmy.ca

Louder and without all that pesky grammar. More clap emojis and unhinged emotional language.

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lemmy.world

Oh good they listed them all in one place so if a doctor references it I know to just get up and walk the fuck out.

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lemmy.world

It just absolutely sucks that psychedelics and marijuana are being wrapped up in this bullshit.

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lemmy.world

It's a libertarian tactic, Matt Gaetz said weed should be legal and he's from Florida. It's a way to get people on board with deregulation

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lemmy.world

“Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway”

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High latency though and particularly catastrophic if you get packet loss

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gruereply
lemmy.world

It’ll cost you less than $300

Except for the multi-thousand-dollar drive.

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lemmy.world

Lto6 drives are more in the sub 500 realm now. Still pricey but far more affordable. Of course more modern lto.... Yeah

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Dude needs to take his Sméagol-sounding ass back to Middle Earth and leave science to those who, in the least- least have a rudimentary knowledge of it.

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Look people. This is life now. We could rise up and put all these motherfuckers out of our misery, but nobody is willing to handle business

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The American public is too servile, and too busy tearing each other down, to do that.

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Ah yes, vitamins, the secret cure-all that has been kept from us all those years without brainworms at the helm.

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lemmy.world

When the government is out to kill the citizens, they are no longer citizens but subjects.

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It sure would be nice if one side of the political aisle hadn't convinced its voters to disarm themselves while the other side stockpiled guns.

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"ivermectin"

aka, the horse paste Trump pushed on us during the covid outbreak.

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lemmy.world

Honestly, Stem Cells becoming more available is cool. I don't expect his christian overlords to allow it, but it's a cool thought.

I just hope none of his other snake oils end up in products for the general population. If it just killed off willing idiots then womp womp, they get what they voted for, but public health risks are rarely so discriminatory.

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One the one hand, yes, I expect there to be internal pushback on this one. On the other hand, the HHS Secretary reports directly to the least Christian man in America.

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But the supreme authority in this case is the senate. If the Trump Admin steps too out of line the senate can remove the secretaries, federal judges, and/or the president themself with 60 votes, which would be as easy as 45 DNC, 2 IND, and 13 GOP.

In fact, Trump was forced into signing steel tariffs / sanctions against Russia when he initially refused to sign S.722 in 2017.

Seems like a lot of the sources on that debacle have been lost to the pile of Russia and Trump ties, but I remember it very clearly.

Christians acting evil starts to make sense if you consider god was never on any of our sides.

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lemm.ee

Start growing your own food, boil rain water for clean water, and avoid close contact with others for the next four years then? Can't wait to hear about all the cases of preventable diseases, contaminated foods, and new, deadly viruses we get introduced to once these clowns take over...

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If they break that infrastructure the long term impact won’t be immediately evident, which means the impetus to fix it will match that of climate change.

And last way longer than 4 yrs. Took Biden 3 yrs to fix Trumps fucked up economy.

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lolcatnipreply
reddthat.com

As much as I want psychedelics to be legal, I think putting RFK in charge of anything important is far too high of a price to pay.

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Raw milk and no vaccines. Get ready for the great Bird Flu epidemic.

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lemm.ee

Actually, the brain worm never died, it is sentient, and this is part of the RFK worm’s long term goal to infect the nation via destruction of the FDA. The rest is there simply as distraction.

(This comment is for the readers of Parasite by Mira Grant.)

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You know those shows that's have a futuristic dystopian society with a bunch of people on drugs?

Looks like we are right on schedule.

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Yeah, that is unfortunate. A broken clock is right twice a day though.

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mander.xyz

The FDA's policies have faced significant criticism for jeopardizing consumer safety. For instance:

Drug Approval Issues: Fast-track approvals have introduced drugs with limited evidence of safety, such as Aduhelm for Alzheimer's, which showed little benefit but posed risks. Harmful drugs are often slow to be withdrawn from the market.

Food Safety Loopholes: The GRAS designation allows companies to self-certify food additives without FDA oversight. Substances like potassium bromate, linked to cancer and banned internationally, remain in U.S. foods due to regulatory gaps.

Industry Influence: Close ties between FDA leaders and corporations raise concerns about conflicts of interest and impartiality in decision-making.

Weak Post-Market Oversight: The FDA lacks resources to monitor and act on safety issues after products are on the market, leaving harmful substances in circulation.

Some decision-makers should be held accountable for actions or policies that have negatively impacted public health and safety. A comprehensive overhaul of the food system is urgently needed to prioritize transparency, improve nutritional standards, and ensure consumer well-being.

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lemmy.world

I think it's hilarious that you think that the guy with the worm eaten brain is going to fix any of that.

Oh and one of the biggest problems with the FDA is its lack of personnel. And this asshole is threatening the fire most of them. Don't think the next 4 years are going to be a better FDA. It's going to be an absolute shit show and rather than putting safeguards in place this dipshit's going to be removing them left and right. Because that's what the right wing wants, less regulation is the watchword of the Republican party and always has been.

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mander.xyz

I hate to break it to you but the FDA has always been a shit show! Change is good!

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lemmy.world

Hate to break it you, but installing a conspiracy theorist anti vaxxer isn't the change you're looking for.

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mander.xyz

At this point I dont care who runs the FDA. My son can do a better job! When has the FDA been great???? Thats right never! You know they approve cancer chemicals in our food that its illegal in the rest of the world. Yet you are concerned with some one who is looking to eliminate it??

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