I hear it's amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm in flap-jaw space with the tuning fork does a raw blink on Hara-Kiri Rock. I need scissors! 61?
Pop is just as manufactured and fake as it always was, with the exceptional trend setter or two doing their own thing, but what's just below the surface is always just as good as it always was.
As a fan of hardcore, electronica, folk, metal, and all of the genres that fall under them, I still get new bands. I still get new releases. I get cheap as fuck concerts and still get cool merch and awesome vinyls. I have zero to complain about. Hell, Primus, A Perfect Circle and Puscifer just made an album together, in 2024.
Anyone who says music sucks now doesn't really listen to that much music to start with. Music is just fine, man. Maybe look a little deeper than the pudding skin.
I have had a 50/50 success rates. The ones who are bad are REALLY bad. To make up for it, they crank the gain, volume, and distortion to 11 and just annihilate everyone’s eardrums.
Exactly. I wish these types of posts would change "music these days" to "pop these days" because that's what they're talking about.
It's debatable when pop actually began but pop as we know it really codified in the 80s with dawn of MTV and acts like Madonna and Michael Jackson. The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Queen, etc were popular but I wouldn't classify any of this as Pop. Pop has always been pretty people because it was by its nature tied to a visual medium.
People need to stop using Pop as a stand in for all music. We have more access to music than ever before and a lot of the music I listen to regularly, I have no idea what they look like.
I hear you and agree with much of that. I am a fan of multiple genres as well. But, as far as it goes for jazz, jazz is dead. Anyone still attempting to play it is often a sad version of what was once great in the 50s/60s/70s. So while there's plenty of music in other genres I like, always more to find from those time periods, as well as still enjoying the classics, it's a little upsetting good jazz is dead, modern jazz is trash, and people who think they know jazz these days actually refer to some other genre, like rock. Somewhat sad.
I definitely don't know where to look these days. I believe I was previously recommended SmallsLIVE, also on YT, but admittedly haven't spent much time there.
https://youtube.com/@smallslive?si=b4mxAHP1xqxv7QNm
I've also been listening to Avishai Cohen, a bassist, for the past many years, who has modern things and may still be active. Jazz is just not mainstream in any way anymore. And most people don't know what it is.
Jazz, to me, a layman to the genre comes off as anything from Miles Davis and Duke Ellington to soundtracks composed for animes, to progressive epics that span twenty minutes and spin into a free form improv that's somewhere between art and math.
But aside from it being a flavor other things come in, like a jazzy rock band, Mars Volta or a jazzy metal band, like Opeth, or a jazzy singer, like Michael Buble, I don't know jazz.
I don't think as a normal person that I'm exposed to pure "jazz", whatever it dilutes into, but I'm fascinated by the chance that there might be something I'm missing that you might mention.
I suppose I don't know a ton. My earliest entry was that of Buddy Rich, the drummer. As a drummer, I wanted to relate. Play fast and all. Haha. Though my playing has all but ceased (the stomach drum and desk drum will always live on!), my love for his often high tempo pieces lives on. He played songs I believe others played as well. His versions were just more upbeat!
I'll give you an example of a group I didn't like all that much and that was the Glen Miller Orchestra. Even as a jazz fan I can hear the style of jazz people refer to when they talk about "music to put you to sleep."
But BR was just the beginning. It sounds like you know more than most believe it or not. Miles is great and I think I have more to discover there even.
The latest artist I found, new to me, also from the 50s/60s I believe, is Bill Evans, a pianist. It was a YouTube comment I came across that mentioned Evans to now be their "piano daddy" and from what I'm hearing, I'd have to agree. 😁 But, again, I only know so much. (Talk as if I know it all though...)
The first song that came up for me on YT by him was Physical Education. There's a lot of rock in there. He reminds me somewhat of a Dave Weckl or Carter Beauford even. Some of the instrument's evolution I'm not interested in.
Google classifies Animals as Leaders as a progressive metal band...
Gartska's main band is a progressive metal band but the drummer is a jazz drummer through and through. Just look up some of his workshops and playthroughs if you just want to see simply good drumming. Most progressive metal is basically heavy jazz.
I understand its different strokes for different folks and all, and appreciate you giving them a chance and responding.
Awful take. Last weekend I saw Mike Dillon with Phunkadelick playing with Brian Haas on the Rhodes organ. They played a wild punk-jazz show that is one of the best shows I've ever attended. There was a mosh pit at a jazz concert where a primary instrument was a vibraphone.
In recent years, I've greatly enjoyed things like AKU!'s album Blind Fury (drum/trumpet/baritone sax trio) and Ambrose Akinmusire's Origami Harvest. A lot of modern jazz is blending in electronic influences, like Sungazer. Maybe you don't like these things, but I can't imagine calling jazz dead.
Isn't the core of jazz improvisation and breaking the "rules" of music? If that's what they're doing, why would we disqualify it as jazz? A lot of folks had this opinion of Miles Davis doing jazz fusion in the 70s on Bitches Brew and Live/Evil with his squeaky, borderline abusive trumpeting, or of Herbie Hancock doing weird space synth stuff on Sextant and funk fusion on Headhunters. I don't see how what you're saying isn't just gatekeeping that's not really in the spirit of jazz.
Modern jazz is dope. It takes influences from everywhere, and turns them into jazz. Which is what it's always done. In that sense jazz musicians playing electronica is no different to jazz musicians playing tin pan alley.
Yea that's why metal fuckin rules. We got the ugliest guys ever altogether in one room and said "what you got?" and they became legends
And for anyone that might say that doesn't happen anymore, I ask: how many open mic nights or $20 shows have you been to lately? The scene is doing great in my area, but it doesn't happen by magic. Ya gotta support it, spread the word, bring your friends.
First heard of Fleshgod when I saw The Black Dahlia Murder live. Nobody knew who they were, so they just walked up on stage, yelled "We are from the Italy!" and then went straight into playing. Such a great show.
I am convinced that producers go out with a company checkbook and standard boilerplate, find acts that have good songs, then buy the rights to those songs.
They then give the songs to larger pop artists and never credit the original artist because there is no need. They likely pay well for a decent song.
One of the biggest examples of this for me was " even if it breaks your heart". I was pretty happy hearing a pop country song with decent lyrics, to find out it was written by Will Hoge and Eli Young Band bought the rights.
tbh we are all just snapshots of ourselves at different stage of the same cycle. The Simpsons did a whole thing about lolapalooza which starts with homer looking for his favourite artists in a record store, and the record store dude, and being directed to the oldies section.
The bands that feature in that episode are the smashing pumpkins, soundgarden , cypress Hill and Peter Frampton, all of whom appear in Spotify old school lists
Oh sure, everything new becomes old eventually, that's just how time works. I'm more poking fun at those who let their nostalgia determine what is worthwhile.
Why is it that most manufactured pop from before you were born still sounds good, but most manufactured pop after your 40s sounds irritating as fuck? Like, I could dig some “Charleston” from the 1920s but Ashley Simpson is barf-o-rama.
it was hilarious seeing him on game of thrones. my buddy told me in one of the next episodes id see someone id recognize and i never thought itd be him 😂
It's a throwaway scene of some Lannister troops around a campfire. Arya and The Hound walk up. It has no bearing on the story, it's just a cameo. Ditto with the guy from Coldplay that's in the band during the Red Wedding.
Lol, do you think only pop star music exist? It's actually the contrary that happend. Now, more than ever, anyone can make music. This is a really bad take.
I think the actual take is probably closer to "I wish we went back to a time when record companies would take a bet on anyone, regardless of the overall package, looks etc"
Which tbh, is probably more of a fairy tale view of years olden days than anything else.
Yeah, by recycling a phrase so popular you can buy it on bumper stickers and tshirts and literally reposted from reddit r/showerthoughts six years ago.
Some kid on tiktok probably got 20k+ upvotes in the last 20 minutes for pissing in a MacDonald's fryer or something. Does that make it quality content?
Not only do you have insanely idiotic takes on music, but you also have some of cringiest flex out there. Lol, I hope you're not more then 12 because that's really embarrassing. im14andthisisdeep level shit.
So you are 12 I knew it! I'm actually 13. Wanna hang out and listen to music? I have the new "Wheelchair Sports Camp " album, we can check it out!! (seriously look it up - the track Yes I'm a mess and Denim, love this shit).
Yeah no, that's just a cranky old guy thought. Just today I was watching fairly average looking people promoting music on late shows. You're probably getting a very thin slice of pop music and ignoring everything else (and hell, even pop breaks that rule sometimes).
Plus, physical beauty and music are both subjective. I try to not get all "old man yells at cloud" about how music "used to be better".
Tbf, I think radio absolutely used to be better before iheart and their ilk bought fucking everything and turned every goddamn station into a hypersanitized prepackaged mix of the same 10 bloody songs over and over. Therefore, by extension, I could 100% see how someone basing their opinion on what actually gets radio play could easily arrive at the conclusion that music is worse now.
I'm very lucky to have an independent radio station in my area. It's run by a nearby college, but they let anyone take training to become a host.
They don't always play music I like (hell, they don't always even play music) but I'll deal with 30 minutes of buddhist chanting because the variety can't be beaten. Also, they have no ad breaks.
Oh man, my independent station is wild sometimes. It swaps between a lot of genres, from punk to classical. They played an Earthbound video game cover once, even. My npr station is relatively fine too.
Corpos 100% ruin radio, though, and that's been true for a long time. Stations often get incentives to pay the same songs and that's only gotten worse with time. True across all popular genres, too.
Metal and grunge still happened in a music video era.
I think a bigger thing that happened was the collapse of the CD. From that point, the new acts that the industry seemed to focus on were individuals instead of groups.
Not really related to that stupid boomer post, but ho crazy is it that that ugly british lady won music star or popstar or whatever and everyone was like: oh my god this is insane, ugly people can do things? They are almost like real people.
Beauty is, of course, in the eye of the beholder, but this is Richard Goodall. He's a school janitor in my town of Terre Haute, Indiana and he just won America's Got Talent. He will probably have at least a somewhat successful musical career after this. He really blew people away.
I don't think music has gotten any worse. However, it is much easier and cheaper to produce music today: you don't have to be able to play an instrument and professional production is possible with comparatively inexpensive software on any standard computer. This and also the changes in distribution (no more need for sound carriers, ...) have probably led to a lot more music being produced today than in the past. Of course, this does not mean that music has become better as a result, but it also does not mean that it has become worse. You just have to find the gems among the admittedly gigantic amount of junk.
I think there's a categorical difference between pop and indie music and you're right about the increased centralization of pop music, however the increased ease of music production and distribution has also lead to a greater proliferation of indie music at the same time
Well, in that regard not too much changed, I think. Record labels always mostly pushed music and artists with mass appeal. They still do but have lost a lot of their power to companies like Spotify, Apple and Google (YouTube). But these players do pretty much the same with their algorithms. So I don't think that popular music has changed too much. There are still influential companies that can pretty much dictate what people listen to. I still don't think it has become much worse, since back in the day you weren't even able to produce an album without a record deal because studio time, distribution and all that was so expensive. Today you can produce everything yourself in your bedroom. Sure, it's unlikely that you will be very successful marketing your record - but at least it's somewhat possible.
Music was better when I used to look at the back of an album and the credits were like a dozen people. I'm sorry to people who like Beyonce, Gaga etc. But you look at their albums and they have hundreds of writers, engineers, producers, mixers, etc. What do these celebrities actually do anymore? Just show up and read the lines and the crew takes care of the rest? I'm sorry but that to me isn't a good artist or musician, that's just manufactured branding.
That's not the question. Do you think music nowadays puts more emphasis on the appearance of the artist than before? Idk what it is but I find reactions like this annoying. Like OP makes a good point and then we have to hear a lot of 'well, actually' bs.
Do you think music nowadays puts more emphasis on the appearance of the artist than before?
I think the question is backwards. What we have isn't a prioritization of appearance but a reduction of advertised talent combined with a professionalization of cosmetics. When you've consecrated your industry around a bare handful of performers, you can pick out the fist full of people that check every box.
Beyonce, Swift, Usher, and Bieber cover all the bases.
But once you get outside that rarified niche of promoted talent? Do you really think Post Malone is famous for his good looks? Is Kishi Bashi just coasting on his pretty face?
Attractive people get more opportunities in life, it's baked into our brains. I prefer looking at attractive people. Music is something we hear, but with digital and social media it's as much seen as it is heard. More artists are coming up through tik tok now than the radio. This relationship shows that being attractive will improve a persons odds of being successful in music. Maybe if personality can shine through in those videos it can overtake appearance.
More artists are coming up through tik tok now than the radio.
The radio isn't a thousand independent stations looking to fill air time with local talent, it's a handful of mega-monoliths looking to maximize advertising revenue with the Most Popular Thing (that fits the corporate agenda).
This relationship shows that being attractive will improve a persons odds of being successful in music.
Blandly conventionally attractive, to boot. Could we even do Amy Winehouse in the modern moment? Could we see Eminem or Maryl Manson or Buddy Holly or Ray Charles or Billie Holiday topping the charts? Idfk anymore. Seems like it's easier than ever to blacklist anyone who is even remotely controversial. Plenty of attractive people who will do the Brittany Spears thing for fear of being the next Dixie Chicks.
Maybe if personality can shine through in those videos it can overtake appearance.
Unfortunately, the personality that shines brightest seems to be the kind that singles you're an asshole.
Isn't this extremely genre dependent? And regardless, this has been going on for a long time.
The Supremes? Good looking gals (and great music IMHO).
Grateful Dead? Sure, rough around the edges.
The Doors? Um...ever seen a picture of Jim Morrison? Dude would make Derek Zoolander blush.
Out of curiosity, I asked Spotify for modern metal music, and I got The Black Dahlia Murder --- frontman looks like a regular dude who I'd grab a beer with.
Yeah, modern pop places a ton of emphasis on looks, sure. But I think this has been pretty prominent in music for a very long time, be it the airbrushed R&B of the sixties, the androgynous glam of the eighties, or the metro sexual (guy)/model-esque looks of modern pop.
Beauty is also within the eye of the beholder, many forget this.
My first proper boyfriend was very attractive to me, because he resembled Jarvis from Pulp. Not everyone's cup of tea, yet I found that look very attractive.
Listen to ugly people music (or vtuber music, same thing (na, just kidding around with vtuber insecurities (help I'm trapped inside this nested parenthesis))) nevermind, got out.
Oh no! You've got trapped in the first level of nested parenthesis! To get out, you need to go down two levels to where I was trapped, and here's the tricky part, you have to make sure you leave with the correct number of parenthesis and then you are out ok.
Marcus King ROCKS and he is not good looking. Charismatic as fuck on stage too.
I think there is about the same proportion of good music to bad as there ever was, you just don't hear the bad music of the past because it didn't last. Survival bias, I think it's called.
Don't forget about the halo effect. Someone on stage doing a killer set is going to seem hotter. When someone is good at one thing, we start to think they're good at everything (where being hot is a thing).
K, so the web client. I just checked out the website and it looks like it's coloring words that tend to be common tokens in programming languages, like "if" and "with". That wasn't me applying the colors, that was your client, I just wrapped text in " ` " or " ``` “. The actual comment is just Markdown formatting
I'd like to thank this thread for reminding me to check out some new music. Just today, I have discovered MJ Lenderman and Still House Plants who both seem to be doing some cool stuff that's right up my alley. There's a new Mogwai track released a few days back and Sumac just released an amazing sludge metal album, even though I'm not really into sludge, it might convert me. A quick few image searches shows me that none of them are particularly attractive. Music has always been, and always will be awesome regardless of the physical appeal of the lead singers.
Someone forbade you to make music?
That’s my favorite song.
I mean, you did kinda leave yourself open for that one.
Way to dodge the point! Next lesson in mental gymnastics tutorial is blocking. Press X to continue.
Was this written by the cheapest, worst AI?
I'm certainly having trouble making sense of them.
I hear it's amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm in flap-jaw space with the tuning fork does a raw blink on Hara-Kiri Rock. I need scissors! 61?
Nah, ugly ppl still make the music, behind the scenes :p
Just about to comment this. Singers these days are usually the "face."
^ Uses 80s iconography to make fun of GenX's parents.
Isn't it ironic?
Depends if you ask a linguist or Alanis Morissette
Glad you caught the reference. Wouldn't it technically be irony in both cases?
A little too ironic
Moreso than a traffic jam, when you're already late for work?
Almost as much as 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife.
Sorry for the delay. I won the lottery and died the next day. Ironic.
Ugly people make music all the time.
You really gonna tell me Ed Sheeran is good looking? Post Malone?
He looked better pre-Malone
Is that Ed!? Holy shite he’s really changed his look!
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler /s :::
Where's his chin?
But the contention is about music being better, and that's some bad music.
Did we read the same post?
I guess your comment makes sense if you find those two attractive.
Like I get the boomer joke of music these days sucks but my comment was leaning into joke.
Yeah, and Jack White aint pretty either.
Imo, this post is better directed at hollywood
He looks good enough to me.
Your comment makes sense in the frame of "ugly people are allowed to make music," my comment refers to the "music was better" part of the post.
The ugly people you mentioned don't support your comment's argument against the original assertion because their music is terrible, not "better."
Some music sucked in the boomer's days, made by ugly and pretty people alike.
He’s simply disputing the assertion that ugly people aren’t allowed to make music.
Yeah, that's what the comment you replied to starts with.
Yeah so what’s your problem with what he said then?
Why did you reply to my comment to restate the first part of what I said?
Adele isn't that good looking as well, but she is well loved as a singer.
You've got some warped standards for beauty.
But she used to be kinda fat tho....
/s
I’ve never heard his music, but I think Post Malone is beautiful
Pop is just as manufactured and fake as it always was, with the exceptional trend setter or two doing their own thing, but what's just below the surface is always just as good as it always was.
As a fan of hardcore, electronica, folk, metal, and all of the genres that fall under them, I still get new bands. I still get new releases. I get cheap as fuck concerts and still get cool merch and awesome vinyls. I have zero to complain about. Hell, Primus, A Perfect Circle and Puscifer just made an album together, in 2024.
Anyone who says music sucks now doesn't really listen to that much music to start with. Music is just fine, man. Maybe look a little deeper than the pudding skin.
Those $10 dive bar bands are always the best
I have had a 50/50 success rates. The ones who are bad are REALLY bad. To make up for it, they crank the gain, volume, and distortion to 11 and just annihilate everyone’s eardrums.
An album called?
SESSANTA E.P.P.P.
Following a tour they just kicked off.
Thanks!
Exactly. I wish these types of posts would change "music these days" to "pop these days" because that's what they're talking about.
It's debatable when pop actually began but pop as we know it really codified in the 80s with dawn of MTV and acts like Madonna and Michael Jackson. The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Queen, etc were popular but I wouldn't classify any of this as Pop. Pop has always been pretty people because it was by its nature tied to a visual medium.
People need to stop using Pop as a stand in for all music. We have more access to music than ever before and a lot of the music I listen to regularly, I have no idea what they look like.
I hear you and agree with much of that. I am a fan of multiple genres as well. But, as far as it goes for jazz, jazz is dead. Anyone still attempting to play it is often a sad version of what was once great in the 50s/60s/70s. So while there's plenty of music in other genres I like, always more to find from those time periods, as well as still enjoying the classics, it's a little upsetting good jazz is dead, modern jazz is trash, and people who think they know jazz these days actually refer to some other genre, like rock. Somewhat sad.
Have you checked out Live from Emmett's Place?
Live jazz streamed every week.
I have not. Thank you.
I definitely don't know where to look these days. I believe I was previously recommended SmallsLIVE, also on YT, but admittedly haven't spent much time there. https://youtube.com/@smallslive?si=b4mxAHP1xqxv7QNm
I've also been listening to Avishai Cohen, a bassist, for the past many years, who has modern things and may still be active. Jazz is just not mainstream in any way anymore. And most people don't know what it is.
Jazz, to me, a layman to the genre comes off as anything from Miles Davis and Duke Ellington to soundtracks composed for animes, to progressive epics that span twenty minutes and spin into a free form improv that's somewhere between art and math.
But aside from it being a flavor other things come in, like a jazzy rock band, Mars Volta or a jazzy metal band, like Opeth, or a jazzy singer, like Michael Buble, I don't know jazz.
I don't think as a normal person that I'm exposed to pure "jazz", whatever it dilutes into, but I'm fascinated by the chance that there might be something I'm missing that you might mention.
I suppose I don't know a ton. My earliest entry was that of Buddy Rich, the drummer. As a drummer, I wanted to relate. Play fast and all. Haha. Though my playing has all but ceased (the stomach drum and desk drum will always live on!), my love for his often high tempo pieces lives on. He played songs I believe others played as well. His versions were just more upbeat!
I'll give you an example of a group I didn't like all that much and that was the Glen Miller Orchestra. Even as a jazz fan I can hear the style of jazz people refer to when they talk about "music to put you to sleep."
But BR was just the beginning. It sounds like you know more than most believe it or not. Miles is great and I think I have more to discover there even.
The latest artist I found, new to me, also from the 50s/60s I believe, is Bill Evans, a pianist. It was a YouTube comment I came across that mentioned Evans to now be their "piano daddy" and from what I'm hearing, I'd have to agree. 😁 But, again, I only know so much. (Talk as if I know it all though...)
Buddy Rich was good for his time and influential and all that, but the instrument has evolved so far since then.
Check out Matt Gartska and a band called Animals as Leaders for a great modern jazz drummer.
The first song that came up for me on YT by him was Physical Education. There's a lot of rock in there. He reminds me somewhat of a Dave Weckl or Carter Beauford even. Some of the instrument's evolution I'm not interested in.
Google classifies Animals as Leaders as a progressive metal band...
Gartska's main band is a progressive metal band but the drummer is a jazz drummer through and through. Just look up some of his workshops and playthroughs if you just want to see simply good drumming. Most progressive metal is basically heavy jazz.
I understand its different strokes for different folks and all, and appreciate you giving them a chance and responding.
Awful take. Last weekend I saw Mike Dillon with Phunkadelick playing with Brian Haas on the Rhodes organ. They played a wild punk-jazz show that is one of the best shows I've ever attended. There was a mosh pit at a jazz concert where a primary instrument was a vibraphone.
In recent years, I've greatly enjoyed things like AKU!'s album Blind Fury (drum/trumpet/baritone sax trio) and Ambrose Akinmusire's Origami Harvest. A lot of modern jazz is blending in electronic influences, like Sungazer. Maybe you don't like these things, but I can't imagine calling jazz dead.
I'm not sure that's jazz anymore, but maybe I have more to learn. I wouldn't go to a jazz concert with a mosh pit. The two don't go together.
Isn't the core of jazz improvisation and breaking the "rules" of music? If that's what they're doing, why would we disqualify it as jazz? A lot of folks had this opinion of Miles Davis doing jazz fusion in the 70s on Bitches Brew and Live/Evil with his squeaky, borderline abusive trumpeting, or of Herbie Hancock doing weird space synth stuff on Sextant and funk fusion on Headhunters. I don't see how what you're saying isn't just gatekeeping that's not really in the spirit of jazz.
Modern jazz is dope. It takes influences from everywhere, and turns them into jazz. Which is what it's always done. In that sense jazz musicians playing electronica is no different to jazz musicians playing tin pan alley.
https://youtu.be/tZNu9gLE_KE?si=XnhdkgvGRWaPBKt4
https://youtu.be/bYUR38Yo8aw?si=eezIOM53T505klQJ
Yea that's why metal fuckin rules. We got the ugliest guys ever altogether in one room and said "what you got?" and they became legends
And for anyone that might say that doesn't happen anymore, I ask: how many open mic nights or $20 shows have you been to lately? The scene is doing great in my area, but it doesn't happen by magic. Ya gotta support it, spread the word, bring your friends.
More of a hardcore guy myself but we're equally as ugly so I stand in solidarity
Most of my favorite artists are beautiful tho… Mikael Akerfeldt, Alexi Laiho (RIP), Devin Townsend, Shagrath…
I also thought Alexi was hot, but I've never heard anyone else say that until now.
Also Tosin Abasi (founder of Animals as Leaders), but I'd be shocked if anyone said he isn't attractive.
Edit: some pics and tunes.
Alexi Laiho, lead singer of Children of Bodom:
Lake Bodom (youtube): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtmFh-2CJ7A
Tosin Abasi, guitarist of Animals as Leaders:
CAFO (youtube): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0ZrF7taMHA
Alexi was sooooo hawt.
Also fuck yeah, how could I forget Tosin?!
Dudes with long hair can get a real vibe. Francesco Paoli (Fleshgod Apocalypse) also nails it I think:
And in usual fashion, here's a very cool song and music video. Sugar (youtube): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmq3iyW02b8
First heard of Fleshgod when I saw The Black Dahlia Murder live. Nobody knew who they were, so they just walked up on stage, yelled "We are from the Italy!" and then went straight into playing. Such a great show.
He’s… beautiful…
Thank you for the new artist!
"Ugly" people still make music but apparently you don't listen to it. Shameful, tbh.
Video killed the radio star
And the guest rappers killed the guitar solo.
https://youtu.be/evCsdT99Iog
Is this showerthoughts or oldbumperstickers?
Not every thought I have in the shower is original.
Speak for yourself, KenM.
Clearly not?
I, for one, have never seen that bumper sticker. So you're good with me.
sir, this is /r/lewronggeneration
Hey, OP might be old. There's some of us around.
I am convinced that producers go out with a company checkbook and standard boilerplate, find acts that have good songs, then buy the rights to those songs.
They then give the songs to larger pop artists and never credit the original artist because there is no need. They likely pay well for a decent song.
They do.
It's extremely rare that people like Taylor Swift get as big as she is from writing her own songs.
There are actual classes you can take on how to write pop songs, taught by people who made pop artists big.
They pay song writers to create songs.
One of the biggest examples of this for me was " even if it breaks your heart". I was pretty happy hearing a pop country song with decent lyrics, to find out it was written by Will Hoge and Eli Young Band bought the rights.
just figured out, what? pop has always been pretty people...
Any version of this makes the speaker sound suuuper old and bitter. 😂
My highschool music is better than your highschool music!
Music was way better when the musicians snorted the good ol yayo.
At least he doesnt like all newer music simply because the artist look better.
tbh we are all just snapshots of ourselves at different stage of the same cycle. The Simpsons did a whole thing about lolapalooza which starts with homer looking for his favourite artists in a record store, and the record store dude, and being directed to the oldies section.
The bands that feature in that episode are the smashing pumpkins, soundgarden , cypress Hill and Peter Frampton, all of whom appear in Spotify old school lists
Oh sure, everything new becomes old eventually, that's just how time works. I'm more poking fun at those who let their nostalgia determine what is worthwhile.
I had a luthier tell me how much was much better before the record. How artists would perform live and have to do their best in these performances.
Once records came around all the artists sold out and it has been downhill from there.
“Ok, can I have my guitar back, please…”
Nah, generally yes, but this particular follow up is hilarious. When ugly people made it haha
This is the kind of boomer post you make if you haven't followed music in 20 years.
Wrong, I'm downloading the latest music on Napster right now.
Why is it that most manufactured pop from before you were born still sounds good, but most manufactured pop after your 40s sounds irritating as fuck? Like, I could dig some “Charleston” from the 1920s but Ashley Simpson is barf-o-rama.
Nostalgia
What do you think "video killed the radio star" was about?
Well.. in my mind and in my car, we can't rewind, we've gone too far.
Oh-a-a-a-Oh
what about internet killed the video star
ugly people aren't allowed to make music anymore?
well fuck me then.
its why ed sheeran was killed he made music
F in chat for ed sheeran, and ugly ugly man, who made not very good music, but was loved by, some people.
it was hilarious seeing him on game of thrones. my buddy told me in one of the next episodes id see someone id recognize and i never thought itd be him 😂
he was in game of thrones? When? Can we blame the downfall on him now? lol.
It's a throwaway scene of some Lannister troops around a campfire. Arya and The Hound walk up. It has no bearing on the story, it's just a cameo. Ditto with the guy from Coldplay that's in the band during the Red Wedding.
Red Wedding, Red Wedding, Lots of stabbing and a little beheading
🎶Bum bum bum bupadubbadub🎵"
ah, bummer.
Coldplay is in it also? Man no wonder why the last season was so bad.
uhh coldplay was in the show during its peak....
Literally the first person I thought of when reading the title of this post
I hade to google this lmao
Lol, do you think only pop star music exist? It's actually the contrary that happend. Now, more than ever, anyone can make music. This is a really bad take.
I think the actual take is probably closer to "I wish we went back to a time when record companies would take a bet on anyone, regardless of the overall package, looks etc"
Which tbh, is probably more of a fairy tale view of years olden days than anything else.
Exactly. I don't think it's hard to see what OP meant here.
And I think it's still the case that they prefer certain types of people to push in the music industry
683 upvotes and counting.
Yeah, by recycling a phrase so popular you can buy it on bumper stickers and tshirts and literally reposted from reddit r/showerthoughts six years ago.
slow clap
708 upvotes and counting.
L+ratio on Lemmy. That's crazy.
Some kid on tiktok probably got 20k+ upvotes in the last 20 minutes for pissing in a MacDonald's fryer or something. Does that make it quality content?
778 upvotes and counting.
Not only do you have insanely idiotic takes on music, but you also have some of cringiest flex out there. Lol, I hope you're not more then 12 because that's really embarrassing. im14andthisisdeep level shit.
Imagine being an adult and repeatedly trying to argue on the internet with a 12 year old.
So you are 12 I knew it! I'm actually 13. Wanna hang out and listen to music? I have the new "Wheelchair Sports Camp " album, we can check it out!! (seriously look it up - the track Yes I'm a mess and Denim, love this shit).
What do you mean? there are plenty of British recording artists
Yeah no, that's just a cranky old guy thought. Just today I was watching fairly average looking people promoting music on late shows. You're probably getting a very thin slice of pop music and ignoring everything else (and hell, even pop breaks that rule sometimes).
Plus, physical beauty and music are both subjective. I try to not get all "old man yells at cloud" about how music "used to be better".
Tbf, I think radio absolutely used to be better before iheart and their ilk bought fucking everything and turned every goddamn station into a hypersanitized prepackaged mix of the same 10 bloody songs over and over. Therefore, by extension, I could 100% see how someone basing their opinion on what actually gets radio play could easily arrive at the conclusion that music is worse now.
I'm very lucky to have an independent radio station in my area. It's run by a nearby college, but they let anyone take training to become a host.
They don't always play music I like (hell, they don't always even play music) but I'll deal with 30 minutes of buddhist chanting because the variety can't be beaten. Also, they have no ad breaks.
Oh man, my independent station is wild sometimes. It swaps between a lot of genres, from punk to classical. They played an Earthbound video game cover once, even. My npr station is relatively fine too.
Corpos 100% ruin radio, though, and that's been true for a long time. Stations often get incentives to pay the same songs and that's only gotten worse with time. True across all popular genres, too.
ignoring or not having a chance to find it?
Video killed the radio star
God, the irony of MTV playing this as their very first music video.
Podcasts are literally a thing
It's a song bro
Podcasts are not what this song is about at all. You are not totally incorrect though, podcasts are similar to radio.
So you're saying that.... video killed the radio star..?
And even before MTV, there were these bands. So called “performers” even. It’s almost as if they performed some kind of act to entertain an audience.
We can rewind though right?
Sorry, gone too far
Metal and grunge still happened in a music video era.
I think a bigger thing that happened was the collapse of the CD. From that point, the new acts that the industry seemed to focus on were individuals instead of groups.
Not really related to that stupid boomer post, but ho crazy is it that that ugly british lady won music star or popstar or whatever and everyone was like: oh my god this is insane, ugly people can do things? They are almost like real people.
Susan Boyle?
#susanalbumparty
I remember when that party was, still regret missing it :(
Sick of Both Sides? Join the Lemon Party https://lemonparty.org
Uhhhh what the hell. Don't click that link guys
Do You Have the Slightest Idea How Little That Narrows It Down?
I want the milkman to deliver my milk... in the myorning.
Come to Daddy
Beauty is, of course, in the eye of the beholder, but this is Richard Goodall. He's a school janitor in my town of Terre Haute, Indiana and he just won America's Got Talent. He will probably have at least a somewhat successful musical career after this. He really blew people away.
I don't think music has gotten any worse. However, it is much easier and cheaper to produce music today: you don't have to be able to play an instrument and professional production is possible with comparatively inexpensive software on any standard computer. This and also the changes in distribution (no more need for sound carriers, ...) have probably led to a lot more music being produced today than in the past. Of course, this does not mean that music has become better as a result, but it also does not mean that it has become worse. You just have to find the gems among the admittedly gigantic amount of junk.
I think there's a categorical difference between pop and indie music and you're right about the increased centralization of pop music, however the increased ease of music production and distribution has also lead to a greater proliferation of indie music at the same time
Well, in that regard not too much changed, I think. Record labels always mostly pushed music and artists with mass appeal. They still do but have lost a lot of their power to companies like Spotify, Apple and Google (YouTube). But these players do pretty much the same with their algorithms. So I don't think that popular music has changed too much. There are still influential companies that can pretty much dictate what people listen to. I still don't think it has become much worse, since back in the day you weren't even able to produce an album without a record deal because studio time, distribution and all that was so expensive. Today you can produce everything yourself in your bedroom. Sure, it's unlikely that you will be very successful marketing your record - but at least it's somewhat possible.
"just"
Ah yes, ugly singers like:
Elvis Presley
Frank Sinatra
John Bon Jovi
Freddie Mercury
Aretha Franklin
Don't forget Serge Gainsbourg
Smash
That is quite the name
Which one?
the commentors username lol
WHAT HAPPENED TO PORYGON?!
It was Poryhere, but now it's Porygon :(
Yes
Indie labels still allow ugly people on stage!
Pop / major label's job is more on the money side than the music. We don't see ugly people in adverts either.
Music was better when I used to look at the back of an album and the credits were like a dozen people. I'm sorry to people who like Beyonce, Gaga etc. But you look at their albums and they have hundreds of writers, engineers, producers, mixers, etc. What do these celebrities actually do anymore? Just show up and read the lines and the crew takes care of the rest? I'm sorry but that to me isn't a good artist or musician, that's just manufactured branding.
There is a reason Beyoncé is labeled a performer. I don’t believe many of them could ever sing, the popular ones are all autotune performers.
Reminds me of Randy on South park
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxJd3vfCkiwDslB9r1xvfx9609RJzbLYh-?si=vOJmvu-OlFtIRflK
They aren't even ugly, they're just beautiful in a different way than media accepts.
"Ugly" and "good music" are subjective
That's not the question. Do you think music nowadays puts more emphasis on the appearance of the artist than before? Idk what it is but I find reactions like this annoying. Like OP makes a good point and then we have to hear a lot of 'well, actually' bs.
I think the question is backwards. What we have isn't a prioritization of appearance but a reduction of advertised talent combined with a professionalization of cosmetics. When you've consecrated your industry around a bare handful of performers, you can pick out the fist full of people that check every box.
Beyonce, Swift, Usher, and Bieber cover all the bases.
But once you get outside that rarified niche of promoted talent? Do you really think Post Malone is famous for his good looks? Is Kishi Bashi just coasting on his pretty face?
I don't really think so.
Attractive people get more opportunities in life, it's baked into our brains. I prefer looking at attractive people. Music is something we hear, but with digital and social media it's as much seen as it is heard. More artists are coming up through tik tok now than the radio. This relationship shows that being attractive will improve a persons odds of being successful in music. Maybe if personality can shine through in those videos it can overtake appearance.
The radio isn't a thousand independent stations looking to fill air time with local talent, it's a handful of mega-monoliths looking to maximize advertising revenue with the Most Popular Thing (that fits the corporate agenda).
Blandly conventionally attractive, to boot. Could we even do Amy Winehouse in the modern moment? Could we see Eminem or Maryl Manson or Buddy Holly or Ray Charles or Billie Holiday topping the charts? Idfk anymore. Seems like it's easier than ever to blacklist anyone who is even remotely controversial. Plenty of attractive people who will do the Brittany Spears thing for fear of being the next Dixie Chicks.
Unfortunately, the personality that shines brightest seems to be the kind that singles you're an asshole.
Just ask P Diddy and Kanye.
Ok Dr Peterson.
Shake hands with beef ;-)
Primus sucks
They still do, they just can't perform it
Just because you aren’t Beyoncé doesn’t mean you aren’t beautiful.
Imagine how much less beautiful the world would be if this face weren’t allowed to succeed
Young Mic Jagger was a snacc.
When he was young, he had an atypical beauty but he was fucking hot.
Hit me with your best music recommendations from ugly people.
kimya dawson and left at london
(i think these people are gorgeous, for the purposes of this rhetoric I am basing this perception on hollywood norms)
Sorry bro, she ain't got no alibi
Motorhead.
I don't like calling people ugly but Hobo Johnson looks like a homeschooler who had his lunch money bullied from him
Radiohead
pretty sure that's how hyperpop happened 10 years ago
Blah blah blah blah old man yells at sky
Isn't this extremely genre dependent? And regardless, this has been going on for a long time.
The Supremes? Good looking gals (and great music IMHO).
Grateful Dead? Sure, rough around the edges.
The Doors? Um...ever seen a picture of Jim Morrison? Dude would make Derek Zoolander blush.
Out of curiosity, I asked Spotify for modern metal music, and I got The Black Dahlia Murder --- frontman looks like a regular dude who I'd grab a beer with.
Yeah, modern pop places a ton of emphasis on looks, sure. But I think this has been pretty prominent in music for a very long time, be it the airbrushed R&B of the sixties, the androgynous glam of the eighties, or the metro sexual (guy)/model-esque looks of modern pop.
Beauty is also within the eye of the beholder, many forget this.
My first proper boyfriend was very attractive to me, because he resembled Jarvis from Pulp. Not everyone's cup of tea, yet I found that look very attractive.
Listen to ugly people music (or vtuber music, same thing (na, just kidding around with vtuber insecurities (help I'm trapped inside this nested parenthesis))) nevermind, got out.
Are you calling vtubers ugly?
Oh no! You've got trapped in the first level of nested parenthesis! To get out, you need to go down two levels to where I was trapped, and here's the tricky part, you have to make sure you leave with the correct number of parenthesis and then you are out ok.
Shut up bill withers!
The issue is marketing, go to Bandcamp and have a route around
Which route should I take?
I specified around so the most circular.
Marcus King ROCKS and he is not good looking. Charismatic as fuck on stage too.
I think there is about the same proportion of good music to bad as there ever was, you just don't hear the bad music of the past because it didn't last. Survival bias, I think it's called.
Don't forget about the halo effect. Someone on stage doing a killer set is going to seem hotter. When someone is good at one thing, we start to think they're good at everything (where being hot is a thing).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect
For sure, as a teenager -
interest in musicswitched from interest in music tofinding music videos that got girls in 'em'.What the fuck happened to your formatting
These?. Yup, wrap text in these for code formatting -> `Like this -> ```
No I mean why are some of your words different colors
That's just how your client formats code blocks. I'm using Connect and inline code blocks have red text
I'm on the website.
K, so the web client. I just checked out the website and it looks like it's coloring words that tend to be common tokens in programming languages, like "if" and "with". That wasn't me applying the colors, that was your client, I just wrapped text in " ` " or " ``` “. The actual comment is just Markdown formatting
Ohhhh that makes sense. Programming words. Thanks, I didn't register it
I make music but I'll never perform it for people that judge music by appearance.
"allowed too" 🙄
You're just imagining it.
That's true!!! Ugly people are talented.
Don't ask me how I know...
Music is better when you listen to what brings you joy and stop caring about the physical appearance of the artist.
Les Claypool has entered the chat.
Tbf his music is kinda ugly too... in a cool way
I mean c'mon: https://youtu.be/r4OhIU-PmB8?si=ygSzza51BLIa2SiE
...and Elvis has left the building!
I'd like to thank this thread for reminding me to check out some new music. Just today, I have discovered MJ Lenderman and Still House Plants who both seem to be doing some cool stuff that's right up my alley. There's a new Mogwai track released a few days back and Sumac just released an amazing sludge metal album, even though I'm not really into sludge, it might convert me. A quick few image searches shows me that none of them are particularly attractive. Music has always been, and always will be awesome regardless of the physical appeal of the lead singers.
Lewis Capaldi isn't ugly?! Lol
Sorry Lewis no shade intended
Nah, let's keep him in the shade...
Ed Sheeran i guess.
Ed Sheeran seems to be doing alright
Ugly might be a strong word. Definitely not conventionally attractive though.
I got a 30 day ban on Facebook for posting this in a meme. It was the change my mind guy
Nonsense. Anyone can make music if they want to and are able to.
Edit: okay I hate having to ask this, but why the downvotes?
I just saw the dudes from Streetlight Manifesto and they're definitely not lookers. And they're getting SO OLD
They aren't old, they're right around my age!
Shit
Dude, Mike Brown has a huge fringe of white hair on his beard and Jim Conti has a beer gut and a dad bod.
No hate because I've got all three but damn does it make me feel like 2007 was a long damn time ago.
I'm 14 and this is deep! /s
Willie Nelson checking in
Willie is a beautiful angel.
Agreed