What are Lemmy's unwritten rules?
I’ll start. Non serious answers also welcome
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Linux (Linux)
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FOSS or die
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Video content should have been text
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Not caring a LOT about privacy makes you a non-lemmy normie
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Comments314I’ll start. Non serious answers also welcome
Linux (Linux)
FOSS or die
Video content should have been text
Not caring a LOT about privacy makes you a non-lemmy normie
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5. We don't talk about Reddit here. Except when we do.
6. [De]federation is srs bizniz.
7. Seize the means of
productioncomputation.8. People from that instance over there are bad.
I only hate Lemmy.ml or whatever its instance is cuz they banned me "for no reason".
I think it was related to vaccuums, they wanted to clean up the place and thats hard to do when guys are jizzing in vaccuum s i guess...?
Edit: also, for all i know vacuums are manufactured in Malaysia (ML?) and the communist government "forced" their bloody hands on it. Still doesn't make for a free and purely rational discussion forum.
I mean, they def send all ur data to America lol.
Reminds me of Tildes honestly. Had some great discussions but the condescending loser assholes and the ruthless moderation by @deimos was insanely non-evenhanded ultimately and lost them a contributor who actually brought thoughtful if idiosyncratic views on things that always created abundant engagement. Ah, its just as well. I need fewer distractions and at least with Lemmy, theres lots of space (instance-permitting) to be me. Same reason why I like Lobste.rs: smart folks but way to harsh+judgemental and inflexible, like a computer program lol
I think my mortal sin was making a joke about wine producers creating like a jelly or candy from leftover shit
I said:
User banned
Also jail
The fedidrama chef's kiss
I adore #5. Same with Trump for me
Bad downvoter
Can you show it to me for me+Lemmy.ML im legit curious about why they put a pin in me. I have zero pride about me/it despite my recent post concerning same. I'm judt pissed i nvr found out what did it but I'm curious/desirous of finding out and Lemmy can hold my feet to the fire Re:holding myself accountable if its a real reason and not some of the ideological bullcrap they've been accused of
Lmao .ml kicking folk out for comical reasons, what else is new?
I just canmt understand why they waited so long, lol
Because they're nutters, that's why
How does one see mod logs?
For Lemmy World that would be https://lemmy.world/modlog
Or check the "modlog" link on the bottom of the page. Or the Modlog link in the sidebar.
Firefox: yes.
Chrome: no.
Brave: lord no.
Uh oh. Um... My friend uses brave. How screwed is he?
Here is a link to send to your friend : https://bolha.forum/comment/381380
Ya that blog post was hard-R. I love I can smell the bs immediately. I like to pretend Milton from Office Space was the narrator/reader...
Edit: i do that all the time with bitchy, whiny bullcrap (like Family Guy said of Coldplay)
Hold on,
You do know what hard r means right?
Rockhard?
That's the n word brother
That's why I sent a link with comments and not the blogpost itself.
This comment is interesting :
https://bolha.forum/comment/381393
It depends on whether he uses it despite the fact that the developer donates money to homophobic political campaigns, or because of that
Your YouTube link should have been a Piped link but it's okay.
You're free to enjoy the lemmit.online content, but don't interact with it or you will appear confused.
Don't stress about upvotes/downvotes-- They're even more made up here than usual.
Never pass up an opportunity to bitch about ads, Chrome, Reddit, capitalism, Arch users, streaming services, or your favorite Lemmy client.
Do not attempt the Picard Maneuver unless you're sure you know what you're doing.
Which Picard maneuver, though?
The short jump one or the straightening uniform one?
can we be the internet community that doesn't pretend we're a tight knit group with injokes and 'right' opinions?
there's already enough of those and I hate navigating their dumb shit.
Sure, that can be a new unwritten rule ;)
[mutters] Curses
It's a bit late for that. It's already everywhere, and it's terrible.
Tildes is super strict against that, I got banned for making a joke about wine jelly being rendered into candy
Banned!
Also, JAIL! Belive it or not...
yeah those unwritten rules are why i hardly want to tell anyone about this site. its a bunch of comp sci nerds that finally have a platform to talk to be mildly social
and the humor is very par for course of compsci nerds. dumb, contrived, an obscure reference with a random jpeged gif in the background, etc. not funny.
I have to fight you on the
not funnytake. I disagree and my oeuvre demonstrates that to the contrary in my respectful submissionyo just your other 2 replies in this thread alone, im taking about you. youre the unfunny reddit compsci nerd.
"[mutters]"
I'm sorry I don't satisfy ur standards :P
everytime elon musk so much as farts, it must be posted to at least 10 different communities here and discussed at length
With 400 permutations of "Fuck this clown" and "how can I block mentions of him" in the comments.
Unfortunately, shitty billionaires make the news. Get rid of billionaires and they won't be in the news.
oh cool, i'll just eliminate billionaires then, that's pretty easy for me to do.
Hey I'm just writing the rules down, not telling you you shouldn't be annoyed by them.
18: Don't feed the tankies
19: if you didn't like Star Trek before, go to Risa and count the lights till you do
Oh shit he's starting to turn evil.
I suggest you count REALLY carefully here.
Were going to find Geordie a girlfriend if it kills us.
.... I count four.
I ain’t tryna eat that pasty flesh
Ya but they might have eaten children so it might be softer \s
It's definitely softer form the piles of cash they sleep on... Or so I've heard
I think ModestProposal aready covers this
We were kidding at some point?
Linux is bloat, I'm training the ants in a giant maze, got Doom running on it last weekend.
If a post from the Linux communities pops up on your feed, it is your duty as a Windows user to comment "wELL I dOn't HavE tHAt prOBleM bECauSE I uSe wINdOws" to stop Linux users commenting the opposite on every fucking thread about Windows
But whatever they do they should not use the word it's in their comment, or else we see something like itAಠ€'s ... and thattAಠ€'s harder to read.
LolA%€d at that
Future Oscar winning movie Barbie is the only permitted commercial interest on Lemmy.
And the occasional Wolf of Wallstreet plug, if we mention Margot Robbie’s nude scene
Suspiciously named user, I literally plug all of my movies on this social media platform. Except the first Suicide Squad. And Terminal.
Also, that's esteemed Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie to you!
The heck? That movie's trailer slaps hard.
Unfortunately, somebody thought it was a good idea to edit the entire movie like the trailer...
Also, Jared Leto(🤮).
Good call on Terminal. Not the call to star in it, but to pretend it never happened. Also, no need to specify between Suicide Squad and The Suicide Squad, the second one had the The in the title suggesting that it is The one that counts.
When ‘you’ win an oscar I will probably add it to the title, but thanks for the suggestion. ;)
Bend the knee to cats, the only true masters of humanity! (and also download a fucking car)
This shouldnt need to be said ahahahaha
Even if you could download a car someone would find a way to nickle and dime you to death with maintenance and insurance. c/fuckcars! or gtfo
Edit cause I don't know how to link communities lol. That didn't work as intended.
Well, can I download a bicycle then?
Technically yes. There's lots of open source plans online to build your own bicycle.
But even hypothetically a bike would be preferable to a car for everyone involved.
This is life
These are my every day rules.
I hate cats so much. It makes the internet difficult.
Boooo! Aha
Eat the rich or GTFO.
Sometimes, the pendulum needs to start a'swingin' the othet direction
Sharing is caring, and that includes data... unless it's personal data.
Must appreciate good sticks.
Edit: [email protected]
If you don't appreciate a good stick are you even alive?
Yess...also wat are sticks
Beans
No poop challenge.
I almost forgot about this
Please, wat IS this lol
The first truly viral Lemmy post, I believe. It was a thing to behold. Post over in [email protected] from a guy asking how to not poop for three days but being extremely mysterious about the reasons why.
Did we ever find out why, in the end? Idk but I have chosen to enjoy the mystery.
I already lose track of whether this led directly to the bean craze or if the bean craze was unrelated, but they happened very close together!
Unfortunately seems like the original post has been deleted and now I am sad.
It is legend that will haunt us for the rest of our lives.
Deleting such a pivotal post should be a criminal offence.
Surprisingly, JAIL!
Edit: definitely on Lemmy.ML :/
U have the link? I thought that was a Reddit thing?
Like I said the OP seems to have been deleted although turns out you can still see the comments at https://old.lemmy.world/post/440073 which should give you a general idea. Bear in mind most people had been on Lemmy for just a few days at this point.
O my god, amazing! I wish someone would create an APP that you add the lemmy url to and it finds a way to store the page data and export it for retention. I hate i can't keep amazing posts
Never forget.
Florida man must have had a ton before encountering that racoon
Chrome BAD, Firefox GOOD. If you disagree, you are WRONG.
Librewolf BEST
No pocket and comes reinstalled with UBO. So... Basically just Firefox but with one or two settings switched off and UBO.
... What's exactly the point here?
This only applies until Chrome gets rid of the adblockers next year, if you decide to stay with Chrome I confidently think that you are wrong.
No! What are you doing?! If you write them down, they're no longer unwritten!
Mandatory Spez hate
Does he have any redeeming narrative or side?
Idk, we just hate him because he got rid of third party apps since it's so expensive to use the Reddit API now
People like me flocked to alternatives afterwards, which is why I'm now called "Resol van Lemmy"
FOSS but also no ads. And don't harvest any data to sell either.
I genuinely don't understand where revenue streams are meant to come from for any of this software with peoples expectations.
But honestly Lemmy is so pro piracy that it doesn't really matter if you were to charge for your product
I don't think those people want revenue to exist, as in everything and all should be free forever and always.
People being mad at youtube for trying to force people to pay for the insanely expensive service they are providing was/is strange to me, on a similar note.
For FOSS, it's sort of given in the name though. If it's not free, it wouldn't be FOSS, and companies like Google and Facebook have permanently destroyed most people trust in ads not also being paired with data harvesting. Other than offering paid tech support, it's difficult to find a non intrusive way to get money.
People want prefer a tiny icon in the description where the author(s) ask for donations, but don't they dare pop up donations to ask for donations though!
Nobody has a problem paying, people have a problem with Google tracking and selling off their shit
Funny, because the Boost app I'm using shows ads on the bottom.
You might need to buy it
The internet existed for a long time prior to monetization of it. People used to do things because they were good ideas, fun, or helpful.
Revenue streams made things worse.
I think it's a pretty bold statement to claim that the Internet today is worse than it was 20 years ago before things were being monetised.
People still do stuff just for the sake of it. To be fun, helpful, whatever. However to expect things to just be done for us out of the kindness of people's hearts I think is bordering on entitled.
Yes, there are people who do that, but there are many more people in the FOSS world who don't expect anything and instead contribute.
Focusing on the entitled people won't make you happy, reagardless the topic.
If you are an arch user, like myself, you must announce it at every opportunity.
Also, mandatory GNOME hate.
Mandatory Ubuntu hate as well.
I use Ubuntu btw.
I failed a gentoo stage 2 install 20 years ago.
The end boss is swallowing your pride and installing Debian.
Not sure. I didn't make it far.
I feel its almost like you all shoukld just stop presenting your OS bona fides unless its 1) solicited explicitly + 2) its explicitly relevant to the conversation even if 1) is not fulfilled
But how will people know I use arch btw?
I fucking love this, thank you comical stranger
Always link the source if you post a comic, article, ...
Yep, It's important... Actually everyone just copy @[email protected] even me.LMAO
Each community, at some point in time, has to have someone with severe a case of Main Character Syndrome make a post that refers to another post where their feelings got hurt cuz their initial post didn't get the exact kind of attention they wanted, which then results in a total shit fit in the comments.
I've seen it happen numerous times in my short time on Lemmy. Especially on ![email protected].
People need to learn how to just suck it up and move on ffs. I swear it's the r*dditard mentality leaking in here.
Reddit has this too. Especially on subs with younger audiences... Or really old entitled audiences.
42: Always know where your towel is.
43: Star Trek memes or you're the next away mission's red shirt.
And not on a tip to Risa. Yno what I'm sayin.
I'm more of a TNG guy so I'll be fine in a red shirt.
Don't you dare consider the nuance of any topic, political or otherwise.
May i speak to you for a moment about Linux our great savior?
I mean, you probably should in order to observe unwritten rule no 1
There will never be an end to religious arguments in Computerland.
Are there other people enforcing Rule 3 or am I just aggressive enough about it that it made such an impression?
Either way, I'm pleased.
I see a fair few comments about this quite frequently, and I completely agree - there's a lot of video content that is better off as a written piece. Not everyone wants to sit through 10-15 mins of video that they could have skimmed or read in 2
Send it to one of those people who make you read their life story before showing you the recipe. They'll turn it into 30.
I make videos and still think they're an unsuitable format for at least 90% of the stuff they get used for.
Please cite these rules (eg Rule #3 blah blah blah). Orherwise, I and others who werent there have no idea what youre talking about and its de facto unrelatable or insccessible
The OP lists four numbered rules.
XD, i thought it was some meme or other highly-siloed knowledge base lol. This is why I engage ;)
Be sure to recommend Arch based Linux to absolute newbies
Edit: this actually happened to me here
Always refer to the whole of threadiverse as ‘Lemmy”.
(Hello from kbin)🙂
To be fair, I think this is quite understandable
Oops, my bad. Greetings, fellow fedinaut
Fed you! Aha
This mentality is why lemmy has been haemorrhaging users since the July reddit migration.
You guys are some seriously judgmental bellends a lot of the time.
I don't use Linux because I want my life to be simple, I use lots of Foss and lots of non Foss because I want my life to be simple. I'm glad others care enough about privacy to fight for it because that's a demonstrably good thing in the world, but I just want a simple life and don't honestly care if I'm getting tailored ads and Amazon are listening to my inane kitchen conversations.
I don't want to support reddit but you guys (ironically) make it much much harder to leave when there is next to no acceptance here for anyone who's not a Linux expert who pushes for communism and has never used a Google product in their life.
I know I know, I'm everything that's wrong with the world :) x
You objectively need to lighten up. This WAS supposed to be a fun post and you've unintentionally (good faith interpretation) sowed discord here where it wasn't otherwise palpable.
No offense guy, I want you here as much as anyone but this isn't Lemmy.Fucking.ML, c'mon man
I feel plenty light mate. I'm pretty amused by the reaction to be honest, particularly the irony being accused of redditor behaviour by someone who literally went through my posts to make that point.
I'm just slowly realising that lemmy isn't what I wanted it to be, I.e. Reddit without the greed.
Maybe this wasn't the post for my comment but it's done now and I stand by the point I'm making. This joke post does highlight the biggest issue with lemmy imo.
It's funny because it's true I guess...
Less drama please, i meant what i said. Let us know how many months you commit to leave and when we can expect you back and someone will set a remind:me thing or whatever. But none of us are that important singularly so I hope you adjust that cuz its offputting at best
Honestly mate I think I understood about half the post.
I'm not trying to be dramatic, I'm literally just calling it as I see it.
How many months I commit to leave? What?
Adjust what? My opinion?
Being offputting is exactly the criticism I'm making about lemmy and it's current problems. This comment is to my comment what my comment is to this post (if I've understood that part correctly).
Beo?
Honestly, i dont blame you for posting, i blame the OP for creating an instant divide, the tenor of what he requests is "jokey" the he added space for the downer stuff.
Don't get me wrong you guys have valid points but its just annoying that everything is blended into one. That's poor form on the part of the OP, I hope theg see this and do better.
You're aftually fine, we shouldn't need to fight here and I take ownership of my part in that, but you can see from my history i interpreted this (OP's post) as a prompt for funny and lighthearted stuff. If I want the issues and problems and dissatisfactions, I will click on a discrete post about same. Its silly to ask for both in one megapost, everybody's gonna be pissed about having to deal with the opposing side
Thanks and sorry for any misunderstanding/sass on my part
Edit: this is a great example of powerful people setting the agenda and framing things in a monolithic+inappropos way to get the little people fighting and "downvoting"/reducing each other like lobsters in a bucket when we could realize we can knock the bucket over and kill the asshole who set up the bucket that way and take over Crab-People style
It's all good bud, ironically enough this post is the most I've enjoyed lemmy for weeks. Proper in depth discussion is all I want, with people who have opposing views and might make me think about my own.
I love it so much. I am a deep believer in the dialectical
Try and stop us aha ;)
I (OP) just read this. What is it you suggest I do better next time? I couldn’t completely understand from the thread.
So if I were you, I would do two seperate threads
N'er may the two meet :)
Thank you! :) my post was indeed meant as a let’s not take ourselves too seriously tone
OP said
If dude wants to air some grievances, let them. Lemmy isn't doing too well. Listening to what our fellow users have to say so we can make the community a better place can't hurt.
Try being a voluntarist. My ethics are left enough that I can get by, but I feel really out of place here.
A joke I didn't understand, or a joke I didn't find funny...?
Jokey or not, there's no denying that users here frequently just write off opinions as wrong if it doesn't match theirs exactly. Whether they're correct or not it's not a nice place for discussion when the pervading mentality is one of superiority for a large portion of users (and yes this can be said for reddit too).
I don't want to support the poor practises of corporations. More than that though I don't want to cut off my nose to spite my face, and when the feeling from the alternatives is one of non-acceptance that's exactly what it feels like I'm doing.
Not sure I'll be here much longer to be honest, the world won't be changed by people who base their personalities on being morally superior while denigrating anyone who doesn't follow their beliefs exactly. You'll piss people off, but you won't change their minds, and ultimately everyone's a loser as a result.
I know you don't, that's the problem. I moderate a very small community for man united supporters which is supposed to be an alternative to reddit to discuss football. I feel like I'm contributing plenty, but if even if I wasn't, I'm contributing more than people who actively discourage users from sticking around.
Shouldn't we be encouraging users to lemmy? Doesn't it hurt the overall experience if there are fewer users and opinions? Won't it just become an even more extreme echo chamber than reddit?
I'm sorry that I apparently haven't taken the post in the jokey way it was intended, but it does highlight a number of issues with the lemmy userbase, surely you can agree with that at least?
Accusing someone of using something "straight from Reddit's playbook" is (ironically) copy pasted straight from the lemmy playbook. I'm not accusing evrryone of anything, just pointing out the problems I see with a large portion (not all) of users.
Anyway, I'm all about enjoying life. I enjoy it less here than I feel like I could and it seems to be very detrimental to the growth of lemmy.
Edit: I called someone an entitled renter because they were pissed off that their friend had decided to sell their house. Is that unfair...?
Sounds like something a redditor would say.... ;)
You're not wasting time on a redditor though, except to go through their post history to try and find something to meme them for. Again... Seems like redditor behaviour to me :) x
Why did you delete the example from this post bud?
You know, the one where I called someone an "entitled renter". I thought it was a decent example tbh, even if it WAS framed entirely out of context to make me sound like I was attacking all renters (of which I'm one).
You know what? I'm back in, this whole discussion is exactly what I was missing. Thanks dude x
A joke you didn't understand. If you didn't find it funny you would have simply scrolled past without the need to leave a comment
A joke that highlights what I feel is wrong with lemmy, I'm really sorry for commenting though, people have taken it very seriously considering the main criticism seems to be that I'm missing the joke.
Why not just downvote and move past my comment without feeling the need to leave a comment?
I find it pretty funny that I point out the non acceptance in this community and lots of the reactions could be summarised moreorless as "Well then fuck you!". Is anyone seeing the irony?
I can’t help but to feel like this is a bit of an overreaction.
I happen to really like discovering unwritten rules, it says a lot about the place. I also think we all shouldn’t take ourselves too seriously. I am no Linux user, but I definitely respect people who do and have no judgment about it. I really like FOSS and I think it’s important, and I also think privacy is very important and have learned a lot from my time here on lemmy. I do like video formats, however.
What I’m trying to say is, I’m not judging anyone, I just think it’s nice to have a laugh about who we are
I agree, that's kind of my whole point.
Im learning just keep all the toolchain stuff to myself cuz i dont care enough to change people. Got enough to change about me.
I voted up cuz there's is a super non-robus line inherent to this platform where i get down for the most mundane random shit. Like either people have a sense of humor or they freak the fuck out and dont even comment but simply downvote
Linux is like vegetarianism.
It’s probably awesome and I’d probably give it try, except the fans are trout-mouthed wankers.
Vegetarian ≠ Vegan (unless you actually mean vegetarian?)
Same for the fediverse tbh. I've actually seen people treat it like an exclusive nerd club, then wonder why people are staying on Twitter or choosing Bluesky instead.
Linux is also like veganism as in that nonvegans/non linux users get very misunderstood and unnecessarily antagonised, although the second thing happens to vegans more from my experience.
All this talk about asshole vegans really sounds like those "SJW liberal triggered by facts and logic" videos that got popular around 2015ish.
Well... Lemmy is the place for nerds who understand tech or at least want to understand the tech they're using. So everything you consider opposed to just being simple is pretty simple to the average Lemmy user.
I agree and that's kinda the problem, I thought lemmy would be the place I could replace reddit with, it's just not what I'd hoped it would be and for a very left leaning platform doesn't seem nearly as accepting as I'd expect.
That's not always the case obviously and even today I've had a discussion about distros as I was fed up not knowing what they were, people were polite and helpful explaining which is great, but that feels like the exception rather than the rule when I'm just browsing comments.
I feel like the reddit api drama was a huge opportunity for lemmy to grow but it shit the bed a bit (or rather, the users did collectively) and people like me have left in droves. Reddit has always been circlejerky and it's probably the worst thing about it, but that almost feels like the MO of most lemmy instances.
There's good and bad obviously, I'm not saying lemmy is a desolate wasteland where all users are coders who berate anyone who can't write in python (probably an awful example, not a coder), there's just an awfully strong feeling of "if you don't do what we do then you're wrong" in my opinion.
Ultimately I'm here 5months later so I don't hate the platform by any means, but I'd be nowhere near it if reddit hadn't been so greedy earlier this year. Not enough users and not enough breadth of topics to be properly engaging for a simpleton like me.
Weird, I use linux because it makes my life significantly more simple. I also give it to the elderly for that reason
You're right, that IS weird....
Simplest thing for me is not having to learn something new just so I can play trackmania AND be accepted here. I can play trackmania on windows just fine and I didn't need to learn to set up an OS and work out what distros and the various other tech sounding things I don't understand are.
But being personally offended when someone doesn't use Linux and points out a valid reason is about 80% of lemmy it seems...
Trackmania requires no more configuration than it does on windows, and if you use KDE, the interface is almost identical.
The only thing you'd have to learn is to install steam from the app store instead of from the internet, if you give it a shot, I don't think you'll find it to be as difficult as you imagine.
The full steps would be
install linux mint (if you have no preference that's the easiest distro) > open app store > install steam > install trackmania from steam > hit play
edit: just tested it to verify, yeah, trackmania required no additional setup or anything from the standard windows version
Installing linux is a 15 minute process, the only hard part is getting a flash drive, and you only have to do it once, once you have that flash drive you can do it easily endlessly.
I highly recommend trying it out, linux is significantly easier to use and has significantly less maintenance burden. That's why I give it to the elderly, they've all said it makes their lives significantly easier, and none of them have switched back.
Plus, even on a windows machine, the first thing you should do is reinstall the operating system when you get one, especially for second hand machines. Every single major manufacturer puts a bunch of garbage on the computer some of which is nearly impossible to remove without a reinstall, considering you already should do this anyway, it makes it a much easier pill to swallow.
some examples of how linux is easier:
There's other things, but I have found that these few things make a significant difference, especially for the elderly.
I would consider it unwise to avoid learning about a machine you regularly have to interact with, you'll only make your life more difficult in various, impossible to observe ways from the other side. I guarantee the only difficult step will be the first install.
Wow that is a lot of words that I'm not gonna read. I have no interest in Linux, I had a curiosity when I joined Lemmy but the typical user just makes me want to not be counted among them. I know there are plenty of good ones too but so many just want to ram their opinion down your throat and judge you as a worse human being if you're happy with Windows.
Thanks for the effort, but I just don't give a shit. Windows works perfectly for me and if something works more perfectly I'm 100% happy living in ignorance anyway.
In a nutshell: Nah I'm good :) x
How do you know you're happy with windows if you choose to live in ignorance?
What if windows does a ton of annoying things that you're simply used to and accept as a part of life, that you're missing out on fixing completely because you've chosen ignorance?
I don't think you should say that you're happy with windows if you've never investigated any other options, you really just don't know, and it's not shameful to not know or not care, but if you say you're happy with something, that implies a level of knowledge that you don't have.
If someone was proudly ignorant of a topic you cared about, would you not, understandably, be annoyed when they give their opinions founded entirely upon ignorance?
I think that might be what you're seeing here, sorry if this is an upsetting post, but, I just want to make sure you understand how that sounds to the people who did bother to not be ignorant. I'm ignorant of many things, and I choose not to comment on those things or claim to know things about those things, because I know what I don't know, I think it's wise to do that.
Furthermore a number of people have a genuine emotional investment in FOSS that you may not understand, there are good reasons for this, the world would be a significantly better place if FOSS was the norm, for example, in electron microscopy, there are perfectly good electron microscopes that are no longer supported by their companies, forced to run windows 95 and that can never be updated because of proprietary software, the only way of updating these would be to spend literal millions of dollars on this. There's various aspects of healthcare that would be dramatically improved by FOSS being the norm, when you know many many things like this, people often form an emotional attachment to these things that you may not understand from a position of ignorance, and that seem unreasonable. It's often helpful to find common ground with people, rather than be proudly ignorant.
Especially for marginalized groups, FOSS could be a huge benefit, as an example, when the holocaust occurred, the nazis turned to companies to get information from people, in the modern era, could microsoft be used by a government not interested in your best interests to corral you and kill you? Yes, absolutely, even if this is unlikely, it's something that couldn't happen AT ALL with foss, ever.
I don't care if you use linux or not at the end of the day, but I do hope you understand that these people have a genuine, reasonable emotional attachment to FOSS that makes them behave in unreasonable ways when it is challenged. Especially when countless people who are completely ignorant of the problem tell them it doesn't matter on a regular basis, this is an extremely common, compounding annoyance for the community of FOSS enthusiasts.
I hope that makes sense, and doesn't anger you, I just want you to understand where all of this emotional stuff comes from.
Oh look another essay I won't read. This is exactly the shit I meant mate. Stop trying to ram your own opinion down my perfectly happy throat.
Try to consider the fact that I don't care enough about my PC to try and optimise every aspect and that maybe some people have a different view of the world to you, it's not something you need to be upset by.
Imagine what you could have done with the time you spent writing two mini essays nobody will read. Feel free to write a 3rd but the response will be the same. Take care :) x
If you read what I wrote instead of assuming what I wrote, you'd understand that your response makes literally no sense in response to what I wrote, I was trying to make you see why people might be emotionally attached to these issues. Why reply to what you won't read? Why comment on things when you don't care what others think?
Odd that you decided to be rude to me when you don't even know what I said. Or do you hate the idea of having a dialogue, in which case, why post anything at all?
EVERYTHING done/said by conservative politicians is TERRIBLE. Even if this thing is okay, THEY WERE BAD THAT TIME and that's what we're going to talk about NOW. COMMENCE THE AIRING OF THE GRIEVANCES.
I don't entirely disagree, but do we need to do the rage thread every time?
I think it would be more helpful for knowledgeable conservatives to stop engaging in bad faith campaigns like "Wokeism" whatever the fuck that is. Its called
Edit: also, drop the stupid "War on Christmas" horseshit. Donald Trump formally won that war, so sayeth him and Fox News. Move out, boys, that task force/cultural narrative can be safely put to bed. Fuck
Someone also needs to pipe up to remind you the other side is bad too
I have been curating my experience on lemmy by muting communities I don't care for like politics, sports, some Linux communities, and also I always filter NSFW.
I have never been happier because I don't see what I don't care for.
Rule 0 - talking about how cool Lemmy is
We shall talk about communism and Linux.
/end
Every thread against people not strictly aligning with Leftist politics will be boiled down to: “There are three types of people: reasonable people who agree with me, crazy fascists on the other side, and lily-livered wimps who can’t pick a side (and are also secretly fascists who just won't admit it)!”
Anyone with passable writing skills will be downvoted because creating cogent arguments against them is hard, and heaven forbid anyone see a smart argument that doesn't align with your views perfectly.
In a similar vein, people will use the downvote as a "fuck you" button without commenting or adding any value to the conversation whatsoever.
(Edit: Yes, yes. You're all hilarious. I may not have a button to hit, but fuck you too.)
this is written like a lily-livered wimp who is anti-woke and won't admit it
You summarised my feelings far more eloquently than I managed here yesterday.
Downvote for you!!
But seriously, lemmy feels like more of an echo chamber than reddit ever did to me (which is saying a lot), maybe that's because it's an echo chamber for views i don't agree with and reddit was more aligned to my thinking so I notice it more here, but dear god it's getting harder and harder to stick around.
Leftists famously don't have uniform views and bitterly disagree on important topics. Some leftists aren't reasonable in my opinion, with many non leftists having better reasoning behind their beliefs. Too many leftists are purity testing assholes, treating leftism with the same elitism that people on Lemmy treat using Linux. I hate elitism, even if you want to limit how big a community is. It's just an unpleasant attitude.
Re: the silent downvoting: IMHO, it's childish and worse than toadying as it's both inherently cowardly and lacks any real effort at all. If I thought it would constructively improve the platform, I'd suggest a daily rationing of them, but what's the point?
edit: D'awww, the chickenshits took the time to click. That's adorable.
Many comments don't deserve any effort beyond a downvote. Whether you like it or not, it's how the system is designed to work.
In this case I downvoted you for being a condescending piece of shit in your edit. Otherwise I probably would have ignored you and moved on.
Upvote/DownVote/Likes/Thumbs Up/Etc etc are all bullshit and have ruined online discourse by, for the majority of online interactions, gamifying and distilling it into whatever reaction the poster.. on some subconscious if not conscious level, whatever will get them the most positive praise and trigger that dopamine dump in the brain.
And thats when its not just dogpiling people who are saying things that are true, but you just dont want to hear.
internet would be better if this shit never existed.
It really is the embodiment of that old joke about people never wanting to hear other people's opinions, and only wanting to hear their own opinion parroted back to them by someone passably eloquent.
I can only assume, that these downvotes are meant as a not so smart joke.
Poe'e law states that there's no such thing as satire, and that every post that could be considered a joke is actually a display of incredible stupidity
Never say anything that isn't entirely bad about Elon Musk.
This is so true! And I agree he’s an asshat by the way
He's a good advocate for Signal so I take the free advertising seriously cuz i love it
Tbh this rule hasn't been an issue for me. I cite him for his quote on politics and I still respect a lot of the geniuses who work for him. I really don't share his views, but ppl can be skilled and still suck with what they're saying. I love PCs and the internet, but ppl will never be binary.
All hail Stamets, Lord of the meme.
Praise be upon him
Content is key. And you are a large-scale provider, so many thanks! I know you’re just a regular person (although there is a non-zero chance you’re actually Obama) but we just appreciate you
Yo momma so white she gets lost in a sugarcane maze
AI hate or get downvoted
Pretend ai is insignificant
What one would think is ai today is not really i. Chatgpt does not understand what it's talking about and definitively can not lead the machine uprising. Straight up neural networks maybe could, but they'd need magnitudes more computing power then we have now. We would need a new ai for it to be practical.
In my experience gpt-s are more like "what are some examples of x" then "can you solve this problem". Because the problems are either easy to google or, for the harder problems, gpt straight up lies or rambles uselessly. A search engine helper, in a way.
I'd rather we put all those MWh into solving real problems, instead of startups. Also; Nvidia, fuck you.
AI is going to significantly affect the amount of people who are able to (or, in a better world, would have to) work.
I think LLM's are on the right track, while an LLM with its current architecture likely couldn't without a ridiculous scale, they do show signs of understanding ( https://www.businessinsider.com/chatgpt-open-ai-balancing-task-convinced-microsoft-agi-closer-2023-5 ), pretending they are nothing more than autocompletes as the people here do is disingenuous, what it does is predict, and while that's all it does, that's also all that makes humans special, the human mind is an object that takes sensory input, and predicts what muscle movements would be best given the sensory input, in fact, our heavy reliance on prediction is the reason magic tricks fool us, the only way to accurately predict things is through reasoning and understanding, we don't know what happens when we scale, and there's a reason experts predictions of when AGI will come are getting closer and closer, right before the LLM boom the average prediction was something like 40 years (based on memory), now it's like, 10.
I consider an LLM to be akin to what would happen if a persons thoughts were immediately transformed into words, without any layer of verification, you think plenty of wrong things, but you don't say the wrong things you think because you have a layer of verification before speech, and it turns out, according to recent research, adding a verification layer to LLM's is extremely potent: https://arxiv.org/abs/2203.14465
It seems, according to this paper, that the trick is to have an LLM generate thousands of possible outputs, and have a separate tool verify their correctness, and then only present the correct output, this could possibly solve hallucination, which is one of the biggest roadblocks to actual intelligence.
While we aren't at true intelligence yet, we are creating the building blocks that will allow for it, and it will happen, and the experts believe it's coming soon, LLM's are not insignificant in terms of progress.
These are tools made of the same component parts as our brain, admittedly, it takes approximately one thousand artificial neurons to simulate a real neuron, but the fact of the matter is, our minds are quite similar to these artificial minds, the artificial minds are just much, much, much, much more simple, it turns out, intelligence is likely a matter of statistical analysis.
When you look at a coffe cup from the side, you know it has a hole in it. Because you imagine, not because it's a reflex.
LLM is basically a point cloud of words. The training uses neural networks and thus pattern recognition. But the llm itself is closer to a database. But hey, sql is also useful for ai (data storage/retrival according to logic).
I'm not an llm expert, by far. But right now they are not much more practical then a find out a bout things helper.
Edit: I do like them. It's been helpful a couple times and i even got gpt4all installed on my computer for fun.
You're looking at this backwards, you know those things because of previous experiences, you predict this might happen due to those.
This is still a matter of prediction, and if that had never happened to you even once, I guarantee you wouldn't look for it.
They're also significantly smaller than our brains and multimodality has been shown to help with reasoning, so, considering they're text only and significantly smaller than our brains, their significantly reduced functionality is to be expected. Especially when you factor in that our brain has verification layers, which have only recently been discovered to work for LLM's, none of them even implement this yet as far as i'm aware.
Don't have to pretend. Ask your favorite AI for one example of a 'glittering generality'.
You really do have to pretend that they're insignificant.
They're extremely significant. Overhyped? Maybe, but extremely significant nonetheless. I think a lot of people here have gone "well, if it's overhyped, that means it isn't even vaguely interesting" and I think the real truth, as much as I hate centrism, is in the middle.
Everyone here is old.
Heeeyyyy! I'm only just 30! That's not old!
Pipe down, youngin.
Make sure to keep an escape rope handy as the rabbit holes have rabbit holes
Whats that thing thats like
5*4*3*2*15 factorial
I don't think you know what that word means. I can't even enter a comment thread without someone arguing against liberalism
"Liberal" means different things dependent on the country.
The word has different meanings in different contexts. That said, unless you're a complete moron, it's usually very easy to figure out what sense of "liberalism" is intended based on context.
What I have no patience for at all are the insufferable idiots who insist that only one definition is correct, and oh by the way, it just happens to be their definition.
What is… the hard way?
Printing out the source code and inserting it into yourself.
I don't make the rules, just how it is.
My father printed the GNU license 100 times, rolled it up and gave me a good beating with it. The only true way to learn about the four freedoms.
needed something to replace the jumper cables
nice reply sugartits
Anally or orally?
vaginally
Yes
Librewolf > Firefox
Never mention you don't use Linux or Firefox otherwise the neckbeards will come at you.
Looking at the downvotes Yep, checks out.
"Fixed" it...i hope
Rule 34. Doesnt exist here
Boy do I have some news for you...
I made a quick slook. Only 1 post per month. (Unless theres more i didnt find)
I dunno man... There's already someone right here in the comments with "yiffit.net" as their account...
I'm a half step away from being a normie and I hate it here
My aside:
In every community I see this. There are always folks trying to narrow the community to some cut and dry descriptors—which for them are always obvious.
Sometimes the jab is perhaps intended as a joke. But to my reading it's always a trope, namely the tired fallacy of taking a part as the whole.
Either way, it's myopic. In any internet community, we're always bound to narrowly see what's happening. Because:
This results in a very reductive view that, although very teasing because very personal and idiosyncratic, is ultimately an exercise in futility. To those already biased, it simply supplies them with fodder to confirm what they already believed.
From afar, it's just noise. Any view on what the community is is but a poor reflection of what the community ultimately is.
Don't comment on anything related to any conflicts immediately East of the Mediterranean lest you wish to be in an ad hominem "debate".
This problem drives valuable content away from the site, unless the lurkers up/down vote based on the value of a contribution (and not their personal opinion) or the mods step in, which is still seemingly rare.
You're either a lib or a tankie.
If we wrote it here they wouldn't be unwritten!
lemm.ee users are best (after feddit.nl).
#694U No licking yourself in public.
Now now, thats sweeping?!
Use sentence case and periods. I've seen other communities where omitting periods was fine. Also, try not to use emojis but if you do, do it sparingly.
Why are people so obsessed with writing down unwritten rules?
Autism
Just to clarify, I don't think there's anything wrong with being autistic
I’m autistic myself. Unwritten rules are generally far more complex than their written form, and the translation into words loses a lot of information. I’d encourage all other autistics to develop their attention and working memory, and then the unwritten rules will start to become apparent.
Lemmy != General public
Not by a long shot.
The general public on Lemmy.
Rule confirmed
Overton Window [same intonation as "Bruuuuuuh?"]
Don't be anywhere near the center. Don't make any arguments about corporations providing value. Don't try to report violent tankie content. Don't point out that lemmy is just going to end up like forums because of power mods and admins defeding people they don't like. And don't call piracy stealing. People really don't like when you call them thieves.
The companies should make it nice and easy for us to watch everything in one place, in high quality, from any device, for nice and cheap! ...oh, that was Netflix a decade ago ☹️
Pretty difficult to convince the likes of minds on Lemmy to pay $100 for every streaming service in the world - to get a pretty awful experience, when you can get a much, much better experience without giving up your hard earned $$
I will fly my flag high for the free seas 🏴☠️🏴☠️🚢
My position is I'll pay for it within reason but at some point it's ridiculous. Like I can't really be bothered to pay for all of Apple TV just so I can watch For All Mankind it's not worth it.
I never said it isn't sometimes deserved.
Know what you are doing and own it. You don't like the means of distribution or price and you are stealing the right to distribution from them and very much taking money out of someone's paycheck.
I go the opposite, IP is theft. All of it. Drug patents being the most harmful.
🙄👌👍
Everyone should work for free with no payoff. Got it.
I don't believe that and I patronize content producers. I think we can find better ways to reward inventors and creators, ways that don't just benefit corps and the politicians they pay off.
To label anything and everything you disagree with on the news as propaganda, regardless of whether it makes sense or not.
Believe everything you see on Lemmy, even if it's fake news except if it goes against the narrative.
the only rule that matters:
FUCK SPEZ
Feels like home
Judging by the responses you're getting "be negative" is a rule.
When you do the metaphorical moderation equivalent of running somebody over with your car, just return to acting to normal, no one will care and everyone will quietly suspect the guy in the metaphorical hospital making accusations regardless of how much the metaphorical tire tracks match.
Something something arch
btw
Don't know. I haven't found them yet.
Rule 854. kbin is superior!
is it though, and why?
A. It's an unwritten rule on Lemmy.
B. kbinners are not lem-ings.
Nah, Lemmy is better.
Israel is literal Nazis. Also Hamas is gentle caring people who love babies.
I've seen 50x as many comments complaining about people liking Hamas than comments saying anything positive about Hamas
What if they're all Nazis in their own culturally relevant equivalent
You don't know much history, do you