If you ask chatgpt for 100 5 letter words around a single topic, instead of saying it can't give you 100 words it will just start adding 6 letter words and then start cutting off a letter.
It's astounding how much faith people put in this software
I went to a conference a few months ago and the very first speaker gave the following advice with a straight face to a room full of professional software engineers: "Your biggest limitation on your productivity is going to be token management, so just buy as many tokens as you can so you won't even have to think about it." And that guy, supposedly, didn't work for OpenAI or Anthropic.
I kind of hope he's at least getting kickbacks because I would rather he be a secret corporate AI shill than just a submissive gimp for dommy mommy AI industry attempting to recruit more paypigs to her flock. At least that would have more dignity.
i always wondered what they are peddling at these AI conferences, we have them almost daily here in the west. im not really surprised they have a hired "spokesman" to do it, are the engineers buying into this? or they know full well the AI isnt shit?
Well, the unfortunate truth is AI is an extremely useful tool for software engineering. I've gotten to where I use it most days and it has made some tasks waaaay easier and faster.
But it's not a silver bullet that solves all your problems and replaces an engineer that understands their projects, business needs, context, inter-team dependencies and agreements, risk mitigation, etc. And we also understand that it will never be cheaper than it is right now and getting too dependent on a tool that may be prohibitively expensive in the future is unwise.
If I were an independent contractor, paid by the job, building a bespoke self contained application for someone where they give me all the context I need for it, I'd 100% be using AI to do the majority of the coding and testing. Get the job done fast and move on. But throwing all of your money at it like it will solve all your problems is just moronic, particularly when you work at an enterprise scale where literally no individual person can give the AI the full context of all our systems.
"Write program worth 1 million dollars. Do not hallucinate. No mistakes. Good code only. Make secure. No vulnerabilities. Follow all standards. No spaghetti code. No anti-patterns. No deprecated dependencies. Runs fast, and cheap, and completely functionally. Does what it is supposed to. Minimize token use."
If Monsanto can hide the fact that they paid off scientists to say Glyphosate is safe for 30 years when they knew it caused cancer, I don't know whether I can trust that. I'm sure they have ways to hide recalls to deny, delay, and defend the process...
Crazy how these tweets/notes dont have CEO being held responsible !? Like no names nothing. But have one good quarter and they are in FORBES magazine COVER
So scary to realize these business barrons have zero qualms with putting our lives in the hands of untested technology to make a few more buck to light their already full coffers and that it’s already happening with AI
It's because their positions are often like that "rest of the owl" drawing meme, only it makes sense to them because other people do the filling in of the details and solving the problems. So when an AI can produce the early part of that drawing and confidently promises that it can fill in the rest of the owl, they see it as the same as what their teams were doing prior and unironically believe that them saying "ok, go do that" is the important part, so an LLM should be as competent as a team of engineers.
It takes an engineer who knows the material well enough to see that LLM accuracy is incredibly low, even when it seems to be making sense.
Conversations about AI aside for a moment, God bless random trade dudes making YouTube videos. Thanks to them, I've learned about 80% of most jobs can be picked up with minimal training.
It takes an engineer who knows the material well enough to see that LLM accuracy is incredibly low, even when it seems to be making sense.
This was my take until even this year, but honestly it has improved since a year or even six months ago.
It still lies to you and needs to be given pointers constantly, and many other caveats, but the reality is that all of the investment and coming up with the failure loop perfected by Claude Code changed things IMO.
It's really depressing to think about how all of these rich fucks set a trillion dollars on fire to eliminate one of the only good paying careers available. It's almost like it's time to riot or something. 🤷
I still don't think that means the c suite will be able to fire all of the programmers. It'll still be the nerds' job to get the robot to produce the software. It's likely just going to make life more miserable for the remaining programmers because more and more will be expected of less of them.
The American business model is obsessed with cutting costs to raise profits. Increasing market share and developing new streams of revenue all have an investment cost and take time. Cutting labour has no immediate cost and it makes line go up for the next quarter, and that's what their compensation packages are dependent on.
That's why the idea of AI is so attractive to pretty much every CEO, it's the business hack to reduce labour cost that they've been looking for since we outlawed slavery.
Just look at the workers rights movement. Capitalists can, and will crush you like an plump ant under their boot. It's only regulation that gives them a moment's pause.
It's scary, but also very unsurprising. Companies haven't seen their workers as actual human beings for many years. That's the bigger problem that is behind all of this.
they are hoping to make money, before someone else holds the bag, its not thier problem if they can kick the can down the road for someone else to deal with.
Today, Ford is betting on the next stage of technology innovation--AI. With annual revenues of $185 billion, Ford ranks 19 on the Fortune 1000, and markets automobiles and commercial vehicles across the globe. So, how does a company that pioneered an earlier era of innovation adopt the next wave, manifested by artificial intelligence (AI), to optimize its business operations for the next generation of customers?
It's funny. I was on the Detroit factory tour in August, and it was all about the human factor and how great it is to have human expertise and skill behind Every FORD Truck.
Interesting. The PR team seemed to have got it at the local level. Maybe the AI bit from the article I posted was trying to reach the money people. I'm guessing the money people don't buy Fords as a rule.
Well the article's from November, and they probably didn't touch the tour script before then. It's just funny how in a few months things have gone so tits-up.
There was a brief time in the early 90s when Object-Oriented Programming was still new to the business world. Clueless managers thought it meant somebody could draw a box labeled "Do Payroll" and somehow software would appear. They're doing that same thing now with AI.
It's in the context of app design software where you make diagrams of objects, properties and methods and their interactions, and it spits out object schemas.
If I were one of those engineers then the only way they'd get me back is by offering me a shit ton more cash.
And even then I'd be actively looking for another job asap because, let's face it, the next time a Ford corporate goon feels they could fire me and replace me with a bag of shit to make their profit line go up then they would do in a heartbeat.
Not sure how it works where you are but in my country companies had started this trend where they began laying off “overpriced” programmers programmers who’d been hired in the dotcom boom, had remained loyal employees for decades and (here’s the real point) were reaching retirement age. They ‘offer a package’ (early retirement) and then manage out anyone who didn’t take it. Comes to pass that these devs have such deep domain expertise alongside their technical abilities that the majority of them get hired back as consultants at what amounts to a name-your-rate deal.
Learn from us. Take the package and go freelance.
It’s amazing how these people can essentially burn billions, trillions combined, even, of dollars on very avoidable mistakes and it’s a “whoopsie” but you ask for a fraction of it to go to the citizens and it’s “a waste of money” or “might not work despite all the evidence from elsewhere”.
And then also the execs get a few million dollars a year in bonuses and such because they’re “so smart and important.”
Well in fairness to ford this is the first time that any company has ever tried to replace all their stuff with AI. There has been no prior attempts and therefore no cautionary tales they could possibly have learnt from. This was an utterly unavoidable mistake and no one needs to be fired over it.
They didn't buy the hype; they knew it was bullshit from the start. Seriously, do we think upper-level management can't understand such a simple message that we've been repeating for years? ... Of course they knew; they always knew; they got bonuses for pretending not to know.
Nope, they are legit that stupid. They're professional idiots who only know things about their tiny niche and have NO idea what everyone else does. They have no idea how much work goes into a product, they just think that everyone does what they do, meaning "Just type/draw some stuff".
The above-average proportion of narcissists in c-suites combined with a “magic box” that tells you how smart and insightful all your ideas are and how you’re such a special big-penised boy for having them leading to delusional behaviour seems on track for me.
When a car company has this many recalls, it should be enough to automatically ban all of their unsold vehicles from the streets. Until they pass several inspections and audits.
Who knows how many people died or were irreversibly injured due to at least 11 million faulty cars. That number is still probably on the low end.
And yet, without guns there would be an order of magnitude less murders. This is literally the same argument the people who make billions manufacturing and selling guns use constantly to try to stop gun control laws that are proposed in order to stop people from killing other people with guns.
The argument that AI is simply a tool is a valid one but it's ill applied here. If AI wasn't here and hadn't been so stupidly hyped by the people trying like hell to make billion$ from it, the situation Ford and their engineers ended up in wouldn't have happened. The people who made the decision to fire people in favor of AI carry blame but so do the people who hyped up AI as a really good replacement for human workers.
Truthfully I hope the people Ford hired back squeeze every dime they can out of them and are able to find jobs at places that appreciate them and their talents better. Fuck Ford and Fuck AI.
Nuclear bombs are also "just a tool" but this is a meaningless point to make. Technology enabling something to happen means it should be included in the discussion without someone going "it's just an innocent inanimate object 🥺" as if that changes the discussion at all. Seems like a weak defense of a shitty technology used to do shitty things.
The problem is, "training" the AI is also largely a myth. A bunch of idiots in charge unironically think that if you force all your workers to use llms, llm will magically get better. Like, seriously, they believe that.
They seem to somehow have convinced themselves that these "brains" will just continue to learn and evolve with changes in process, technology, and so on. The AI psychosis that ends with all things being "Ah, finally I will be rich without pesky humans and bills".
Poon reportedly pointed to automated tools lacking the training and expertise of veteran technicians - many of whom he said had left the company before their knowledge could be used to improve its tech.
Yikes I’d be looking for another role ASAP. Unfortunately this engineers are not in the UAW union
buying time so they can force the "returned employees" to train south america,eastern european and some indian tech engineers and then fire the american ones.
Also not really into cars, but I think it has to do with the fact that people who know nothing about cars think it's one of the best cars ever or something (mostly due to marketing aimed at machismo and shit). But if you start learning about cars there's probably much better, more enjoyable rides out there, probably for much cheaper (since they're not purely about marketing and image).
Please take all of this with a heaping pinch of salt and anyone who knows better is more than welcome to correct me or add to what I said if I missed the mark completely.
More or less yeah. They are big impractical cars that kind of look like they are for the real world because they have storage space, seats in the back and stuff like that, but really they are for driving around and showing off how big and important you are.
Like something like a Ferrari or a Lamborghini but worse because at least they look like sports cars designed for racing.
I certainly wouldn't want somebody who drove a car like that designing a car for doing the school run. Completely different priorities.
I am also not into cars and this just became my personal favorite example of how well marketing works. I had basically thought they were some of the best.
I have friends who are very into cars. I've not absorbed as much information by osmosis as I could have, but I've absorbed some. Either way, I know the Mustang isn't nearly as special as many American tough guys think.
Edit: The other person who replied to my comment made me think of another point. The Mustang is trying to be a super-special-manly-car while giving you an everyday car with all the seats and storage and stuff of everyday cars. Problem is, if I had to guess, it probably ends up sucking at both and just making people who know better realise you're a dumbass.
Your common GT, nothing much. The V8 Coyote is a decent engine, but... we're comparing it against the LS if we're talking direct competion with Chevy, and in that regard, LS with me every time all day every day. The market is huge for parts and swaps.
For i-4 and v6 drivers, they couldn't care less about Ford, Chevy or Dodge, all-muscle vehicles that are too heavy to justify small engines and will spin out on a turn a WRX, BMW or, hell, a Civic Si would treat like a 35mph stroll at 75mph with hardly any difficulty.
...and you might want to read up on the reliability of Ford's Ecoboost engines, or the lack therof.
guy in the back: "What about Chrysler?"
The Charger's platform is solid and Mopar is a big brand for Dodge with lots of aftermarket. The 300 and the Challenger are decent cars by proxy, but they'd lose to... most. Too fat.
I worked in the national park service for a bit before the current state of AI. We were forced to use only American made cars.
My ranking from bad to least bad in our fleet is Jeep, Ford, and then Dodge.
The Jeeps were constantly in the shop for mechanical failures. The Fords were constantly in the shop for recalls. The Dodges were finicky and had an occasional slip of the transmission but no major repairs.
And to be clear we did not have any "jeep" style Jeeps they make other cars. Any standard truck is going to be better for offroading.
Anyway, there is a very good reason I don't buy American cars. The worst quality for the most money
Hell yeah, they did something similar at Kohl's. Some dip shit executive who doesn't understand how life works because he's neppo baby had a suggestion to save the company MILLIONS.
Fire all the loss prevention people and that will pay for the theft currently happening. Dip shit didn't realize they were actually doing something, and theft went up 5x in under 6 months once people figured out they could walk in, grab a duffle bag, fill it with Nike/UA/whatever and just walk out. They're not allowed to even call the cops.
Bro got a 2 million dollar bonus, and now they can't hire LP back because they obviously moved on.
our bougie version of trader joes is doing this right now. shoplifters security, cant even be followed by hired security anymore, the homeless usually heroin and meth addicts just come in snatch stuff like no tomorrow. at this point there isnt a reason to have the security anymore. now you cant snatch the item back, talk to them in a "aggressive way" or pretend like you are blocking them.
the city kept clearing the "homeless/drug addict" areas, and they have swarmed the area since.
They thought they could treat their workers shitty and it backfired spectacularly on them! I only wish karma was this quick and brutal for other firms that treat their workers the same way.
I recently attended a presentation by NVIDIA at my company, where a summary slide had statements so outlandish, that I had to look around in disbelief. The statements had a trailing asterisk, but no actual clarifying text. I joked that it was for "NVIDIA is not responsible for any business decisions made based on these purely fictive statements" with a font size of 1 slightly different color than the background.
Fools. You're only supposed to fire enough that the leftovers hustle harder at the expense of their physical and mental well-being, not enough to noticeably affect the profit.
Like the post says, their mistake was thinking ai worked, when really it's true purpose is giving an excuse to get fewer employees to work harder.
Philosophical question... do you apply for one of those positions? I mean, on the one hand, they got bit hard so maybe they'll hold off on doing something like this again for a while, they're desperate so they'll likely make you jump through fewer hoops to hire and they'll appreciate your contributions more, and you'd be in a better position to negotiates good pay. On the other hand, their c-suite are clearly morons, they clearly don't understand how software works, they're probably gonna over-hire to correct their mistakes and then cull the employee population later, and the culture is probably going to be shit between the jaded senior staff and the influx of newbies.
C suites are usually headhunted. So if you already have a company under your belt at say $xB, theyll consider you for a company of $nxB. Domain expertise matters surprisingly little in the process. Anecdote and know a few.
I still think it was a big mistake to bail out the auto makers. Now all cars are just giant phones with some how even worse privacy laws. "Saftey" tech just keeps getting forcefully regulated into them, making them more expensive and making shittier drivers who can't even look in their blind spots anymore because those stupid blind spot detectors. We are pretty much at the point where we have Vin lock parts and can't replace a windshield motor without paying 1.8k to bring it back to the manufacturer, and thats BEFORE the labor from their licensed tech who is the only person who can touch the god damn thing I own and I will be paying off for 48 months at 450 dollars a month.
Oh but don't worry I think its ford themselves that have a patent for self driving cars to be able to repo themselves. So the the poor dealership that fucked me over won't lose any money when I can no longer afford payment on some of the shittiest trucks they've made.
Don't get a car or truck past 2013. Honestly peak cars IMO all existed around 90s-2006. Some good hits in the 80's too but you're prob not going to daily something that old. You all are going to want to learn how to work on your own car. If you don't have the tools and a shop it sucks a bit more and is sketchy sometimes, try to make a car friend or have people to ping off of. You can rent a lot of the tools too but I would insist on buying if its not like 300 bucks all at once. You want a good air compressor, a 12v battery charger/tester, a standard craftsman set, some ramp blocks/jacks, and the basic hand tools and you can do most things just fine.
So much of learning how to fix a car is kind of just having to fix it. I've only had 4 cars ive had to fix and daily drive sense ive started trying. And I came from practically no knowledge. YouTube surprisingly has had every single fix I needed for my exact model, and I would just google my problems and end up on forums from literally 2008 with the exact same problem and it was ususally solved. Most of the time its just replacing sensors, replacing gaskets, changing fluids or cat converter. Sometimes it doesnt fix it, so you just replace the next suspected thing.
You aren't even going to keep it for blowing out crumbs in your keyboard? I got one of those tornado air whip guns and I bust that thing out everytime I need to work on the car just because I like to play with it. I'll bust out all the floor mats and blast the with air to avoid doing any real work.
Also I don't like using tire inflators, you get a cheap 12v one and you burn out the motor trying to inflate all 4 tires at once. Its good to keep in the car for an emergency but it can't be good for some of the smaller portable ones.
Its just so nice to have compressed air even if you don't plan on using air impact tools. And just having the compressor opens you up to a whole new world of tools not even car related. Sand blasting, spray painting, roofing, framing. Mine also doesnt have enough cfm to do air wrenches but I still love the thing.
I have an inflator for my chosen 18v battery system and have used it probably 100+ times. Going strong. If I was going to do any of the other things, a small pancake compressor would be fine and take up a lot less garage space.
Uuuhmm akshually, in real capitalism we don't need any regulations, because if the company releases a very faulty product, no one will buy it, so the company will collapse.
So, uhh, the solution is - we need more capitalism ☝️🤓
Surely a system designed to regurgitate existing data with some randomization will come up with new solutions for novel problems not in their data set!
I mean, it will spit out something because it is designed to output something. Surely it will all work out!
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Did they include "do not hallucinate" in the prompt? Didnt think so. Classic mistake
Unbelievably, this is real advice I've heard from corporate AI experts.
It is included in the guardrails for my orgs copilot integration. Surprisingly, it still hallucinates.
If you ask chatgpt for 100 5 letter words around a single topic, instead of saying it can't give you 100 words it will just start adding 6 letter words and then start cutting off a letter.
It's astounding how much faith people put in this software
Well that's just ridic
That movie was ridic too
Obviously the solution is to tell it to not hallucinate that it isnt hallucinating
it will hallucinate that its not hallucinating.
so tell it to not hallucinate that it isnt hallucinating that it isnt hallucinating.
"Oh, thanks for pointing that out, I 100% hallucinated those connections this last time. Let's go over what's real:
That was bad, I.N.T.E.L.L.I.G.E.N.C.E.
"I do not think it means what you think it means."
I went to a conference a few months ago and the very first speaker gave the following advice with a straight face to a room full of professional software engineers: "Your biggest limitation on your productivity is going to be token management, so just buy as many tokens as you can so you won't even have to think about it." And that guy, supposedly, didn't work for OpenAI or Anthropic.
I kind of hope he's at least getting kickbacks because I would rather he be a secret corporate AI shill than just a submissive gimp for dommy mommy AI industry attempting to recruit more paypigs to her flock. At least that would have more dignity.
i always wondered what they are peddling at these AI conferences, we have them almost daily here in the west. im not really surprised they have a hired "spokesman" to do it, are the engineers buying into this? or they know full well the AI isnt shit?
Well, the unfortunate truth is AI is an extremely useful tool for software engineering. I've gotten to where I use it most days and it has made some tasks waaaay easier and faster.
But it's not a silver bullet that solves all your problems and replaces an engineer that understands their projects, business needs, context, inter-team dependencies and agreements, risk mitigation, etc. And we also understand that it will never be cheaper than it is right now and getting too dependent on a tool that may be prohibitively expensive in the future is unwise.
If I were an independent contractor, paid by the job, building a bespoke self contained application for someone where they give me all the context I need for it, I'd 100% be using AI to do the majority of the coding and testing. Get the job done fast and move on. But throwing all of your money at it like it will solve all your problems is just moronic, particularly when you work at an enterprise scale where literally no individual person can give the AI the full context of all our systems.
Lulz, amen to that
"Write program worth 1 million dollars. Do not hallucinate. No mistakes. Good code only. Make secure. No vulnerabilities. Follow all standards. No spaghetti code. No anti-patterns. No deprecated dependencies. Runs fast, and cheap, and completely functionally. Does what it is supposed to. Minimize token use."
Perfect. Iron-clad. Let the profits commence.
This is like not even a parody of what they think lol. It’s so ridiculous.
Got it, this program was worth one million dollars before uber was invented.
the AI would Hallucinate the part where "it doesnt hallucinate"
see my other comment.
Imagine all the recalls they didn't do because being sued and settling costs less
That's not actually how recalls (usually) work. Companies don't unilaterally decide when a recall happens or not.
If Monsanto can hide the fact that they paid off scientists to say Glyphosate is safe for 30 years when they knew it caused cancer, I don't know whether I can trust that. I'm sure they have ways to hide recalls to deny, delay, and defend the process...
That depends on how many political “contributions” the company has made.
Right but OP watched Fight Club.
The people responsible for this obviously stupid mistake were replaced, right? Right?
Yes, ironically with AI
Crazy how these tweets/notes dont have CEO being held responsible !? Like no names nothing. But have one good quarter and they are in FORBES magazine COVER
So scary to realize these business barrons have zero qualms with putting our lives in the hands of untested technology to make a few more buck to light their already full coffers and that it’s already happening with AI
It's because their positions are often like that "rest of the owl" drawing meme, only it makes sense to them because other people do the filling in of the details and solving the problems. So when an AI can produce the early part of that drawing and confidently promises that it can fill in the rest of the owl, they see it as the same as what their teams were doing prior and unironically believe that them saying "ok, go do that" is the important part, so an LLM should be as competent as a team of engineers.
It takes an engineer who knows the material well enough to see that LLM accuracy is incredibly low, even when it seems to be making sense.
I bet AI is especially enticing to those of the "It can't be that hard" mentality.
Conversations about AI aside for a moment, God bless random trade dudes making YouTube videos. Thanks to them, I've learned about 80% of most jobs can be picked up with minimal training.
This was my take until even this year, but honestly it has improved since a year or even six months ago.
It still lies to you and needs to be given pointers constantly, and many other caveats, but the reality is that all of the investment and coming up with the failure loop perfected by Claude Code changed things IMO.
It's really depressing to think about how all of these rich fucks set a trillion dollars on fire to eliminate one of the only good paying careers available. It's almost like it's time to riot or something. 🤷
I still don't think that means the c suite will be able to fire all of the programmers. It'll still be the nerds' job to get the robot to produce the software. It's likely just going to make life more miserable for the remaining programmers because more and more will be expected of less of them.
The American business model is obsessed with cutting costs to raise profits. Increasing market share and developing new streams of revenue all have an investment cost and take time. Cutting labour has no immediate cost and it makes line go up for the next quarter, and that's what their compensation packages are dependent on.
That's why the idea of AI is so attractive to pretty much every CEO, it's the business hack to reduce labour cost that they've been looking for since we outlawed slavery.
i would like to see the day when a PE firm buys ford, GM.
Just look at the workers rights movement. Capitalists can, and will crush you like an plump ant under their boot. It's only regulation that gives them a moment's pause.
No company ever has your best interest at heart.
It's scary, but also very unsurprising. Companies haven't seen their workers as actual human beings for many years. That's the bigger problem that is behind all of this.
They have a department called "human resources". Come on. They see humans as just another resource.
And that department exists to protect the company from said "resource"
they are hoping to make money, before someone else holds the bag, its not thier problem if they can kick the can down the road for someone else to deal with.
Yes nothing has changed.
Yeah but could you imagine if one of Ford’s executives could only afford ONE yacht??? UNTHINKABLE
🤣 How Ford Is Embracing AI To Drive Innovation In The Automotive Industry
Nov 23, 2025, 04:58pm EST
Could tell this was forbes just from the hogwash in that excerpt.
It's funny. I was on the Detroit factory tour in August, and it was all about the human factor and how great it is to have human expertise and skill behind Every FORD Truck.
Interesting. The PR team seemed to have got it at the local level. Maybe the AI bit from the article I posted was trying to reach the money people. I'm guessing the money people don't buy Fords as a rule.
Well the article's from November, and they probably didn't touch the tour script before then. It's just funny how in a few months things have gone so tits-up.
There was a brief time in the early 90s when Object-Oriented Programming was still new to the business world. Clueless managers thought it meant somebody could draw a box labeled "Do Payroll" and somehow software would appear. They're doing that same thing now with AI.
Clueless managers and completely misunderstanding new trends, name a more iconic duo.
Your average MBA
As an experienced software engineer with tons of OOP experience, I have no idea what this is even supposed to mean.
It's in the context of app design software where you make diagrams of objects, properties and methods and their interactions, and it spits out object schemas.
Except object oriented programming is a real thing that exists.
Yeah but it doesn't work out described, if you do it wrong then it won't work
While Output = wrong
Run CreateOutput
Print Output.
Wait really?
Tell me you're a manager without telling me
How did rehire affect pay?
Bingo.
If I were one of those engineers then the only way they'd get me back is by offering me a shit ton more cash.
And even then I'd be actively looking for another job asap because, let's face it, the next time a Ford corporate goon feels they could fire me and replace me with a bag of shit to make their profit line go up then they would do in a heartbeat.
Not sure how it works where you are but in my country companies had started this trend where they began laying off “overpriced” programmers programmers who’d been hired in the dotcom boom, had remained loyal employees for decades and (here’s the real point) were reaching retirement age. They ‘offer a package’ (early retirement) and then manage out anyone who didn’t take it. Comes to pass that these devs have such deep domain expertise alongside their technical abilities that the majority of them get hired back as consultants at what amounts to a name-your-rate deal. Learn from us. Take the package and go freelance.
It’s amazing how these people can essentially burn billions, trillions combined, even, of dollars on very avoidable mistakes and it’s a “whoopsie” but you ask for a fraction of it to go to the citizens and it’s “a waste of money” or “might not work despite all the evidence from elsewhere”.
And then also the execs get a few million dollars a year in bonuses and such because they’re “so smart and important.”
The one good thing about ai is that it exposes the morons
Funny thing is, its all in the C-suite.
Listen to your engineers for gods sake
But they don't have MBA's!!!!!
Idk of it even does though.. Who at ford is going to take the rap for this?
Will if one would fall for this it would be a sign of progress.
But probably it's beyond repair and the capitalistic advantage (of the y model Ford) is lost forever
Yeah.. Some company or other is going to go bankrupt over this. That will be the start of a fun few months..
Check out brazil and Argentina's economies. They both deregulated collapsed the middle class. They are both in Golden Ages down there.
Live by the coup die by the coup
Well in fairness to ford this is the first time that any company has ever tried to replace all their stuff with AI. There has been no prior attempts and therefore no cautionary tales they could possibly have learnt from. This was an utterly unavoidable mistake and no one needs to be fired over it.
/s
Hope the engineers asked for significant hikes over their previous salaries
i would asked at least triple, and 1-2 years(for each worked previously) of severence if laid off again.
No wonder their trucks and SUVs look like slop.
They didn't buy the hype; they knew it was bullshit from the start. Seriously, do we think upper-level management can't understand such a simple message that we've been repeating for years? ... Of course they knew; they always knew; they got bonuses for pretending not to know.
Nope, they are legit that stupid. They're professional idiots who only know things about their tiny niche and have NO idea what everyone else does. They have no idea how much work goes into a product, they just think that everyone does what they do, meaning "Just type/draw some stuff".
The above-average proportion of narcissists in c-suites combined with a “magic box” that tells you how smart and insightful all your ideas are and how you’re such a special big-penised boy for having them leading to delusional behaviour seems on track for me.
Yeah, but they thought they would be the one that would be able to harness AI. Like all the others
Im glad they are struggling. All corporations are bad.
I mean, Ford was so low quality, how can it get worse?
And then it got worse.
It can always get worse. Rock Bottom is a mostly fictional narrative promoted by Christian Ex-alcoholics.
I will get down voted for the fact...
But
Ford did top the JD power quality index this year...
and they are getting bottom of the barrel stuff.
When a car company has this many recalls, it should be enough to automatically ban all of their unsold vehicles from the streets. Until they pass several inspections and audits.
Who knows how many people died or were irreversibly injured due to at least 11 million faulty cars. That number is still probably on the low end.
All this policy would do is encourage manufacturers to bury defects so that they don't have any recalls.
What do you think they do now?
Volkswagen anyone?
Language models don't know how to engineer trucks? Who knew?!
Let's be clear. The blame shouldn't be on AI but on the fuckwads that made the decision to replace humans.
No it should also be on the AI. Its a useless fucking sloptool and those that use it should be ridiculed as well.
Yes, true. But, that is not the root cause of the issue we are discussing.
What's the point of this distinction? AI gave them the excuse.
And yet, without guns there would be an order of magnitude less murders. This is literally the same argument the people who make billions manufacturing and selling guns use constantly to try to stop gun control laws that are proposed in order to stop people from killing other people with guns.
The argument that AI is simply a tool is a valid one but it's ill applied here. If AI wasn't here and hadn't been so stupidly hyped by the people trying like hell to make billion$ from it, the situation Ford and their engineers ended up in wouldn't have happened. The people who made the decision to fire people in favor of AI carry blame but so do the people who hyped up AI as a really good replacement for human workers.
Truthfully I hope the people Ford hired back squeeze every dime they can out of them and are able to find jobs at places that appreciate them and their talents better. Fuck Ford and Fuck AI.
Nuclear bombs are also "just a tool" but this is a meaningless point to make. Technology enabling something to happen means it should be included in the discussion without someone going "it's just an innocent inanimate object 🥺" as if that changes the discussion at all. Seems like a weak defense of a shitty technology used to do shitty things.
rehire to train the AI, then LAY THEM off again and hire cheaper outsourced tech engineers down the line.
The problem is, "training" the AI is also largely a myth. A bunch of idiots in charge unironically think that if you force all your workers to use llms, llm will magically get better. Like, seriously, they believe that.
They seem to somehow have convinced themselves that these "brains" will just continue to learn and evolve with changes in process, technology, and so on. The AI psychosis that ends with all things being "Ah, finally I will be rich without pesky humans and bills".
You wouldn't vibe code a car...
Yikes I’d be looking for another role ASAP. Unfortunately this engineers are not in the UAW union
They will fire these people again the minute they get AI working the way they want it. They better be getting extra compensation for returning.
buying time so they can force the "returned employees" to train south america,eastern european and some indian tech engineers and then fire the american ones.
Only buy a Ford if you want to buy a new engine and/or transmission under 100k miles. Not sure if AI could make their cars worse.
Meanwhile my Honda engine gave up the ghost at 170k and that's because I did not take care of it.
The cardinal rule: never let a k-series run dry. ever
You know what Ford stands for, right?
Fix it again, Tony
Dale, that's FIAT.
Fix Or Repair Daily
...that spells out Fiat
Ford stands for
Fecund otters rule, dammit!
I can't a'Ford this Ai!
haha!
"alright dad"
That would make them rather OK to use for a swap to electric I would think
Though I suspect there are many other gremlins waiting to be found
And within 3-5 years they'll try a full AI production cycle again, because of "improvements and lessons learned" ....
"Yeah I'm really into cars"
lmao, sure thing, buckaroo
I'm very much not into cars, so what's wrong with a mustang?
Also not really into cars, but I think it has to do with the fact that people who know nothing about cars think it's one of the best cars ever or something (mostly due to marketing aimed at machismo and shit). But if you start learning about cars there's probably much better, more enjoyable rides out there, probably for much cheaper (since they're not purely about marketing and image).
Please take all of this with a heaping pinch of salt and anyone who knows better is more than welcome to correct me or add to what I said if I missed the mark completely.
More or less yeah. They are big impractical cars that kind of look like they are for the real world because they have storage space, seats in the back and stuff like that, but really they are for driving around and showing off how big and important you are.
Like something like a Ferrari or a Lamborghini but worse because at least they look like sports cars designed for racing.
I certainly wouldn't want somebody who drove a car like that designing a car for doing the school run. Completely different priorities.
I am also not into cars and this just became my personal favorite example of how well marketing works. I had basically thought they were some of the best.
I have friends who are very into cars. I've not absorbed as much information by osmosis as I could have, but I've absorbed some. Either way, I know the Mustang isn't nearly as special as many American tough guys think.
Edit: The other person who replied to my comment made me think of another point. The Mustang is trying to be a super-special-manly-car while giving you an everyday car with all the seats and storage and stuff of everyday cars. Problem is, if I had to guess, it probably ends up sucking at both and just making people who know better realise you're a dumbass.
Your common GT, nothing much. The V8 Coyote is a decent engine, but... we're comparing it against the LS if we're talking direct competion with Chevy, and in that regard, LS with me every time all day every day. The market is huge for parts and swaps.
For i-4 and v6 drivers, they couldn't care less about Ford, Chevy or Dodge, all-muscle vehicles that are too heavy to justify small engines and will spin out on a turn a WRX, BMW or, hell, a Civic Si would treat like a 35mph stroll at 75mph with hardly any difficulty.
...and you might want to read up on the reliability of Ford's Ecoboost engines, or the lack therof.
guy in the back: "What about Chrysler?"
The Charger's platform is solid and Mopar is a big brand for Dodge with lots of aftermarket. The 300 and the Challenger are decent cars by proxy, but they'd lose to... most. Too fat.
at least they're getting paid obscene amount of money to make these moronic decisions, at least there's that
Still shows you how eager they are to ruin our livelihoods as soon as possible. I hate how complacent we are to this threat
US automaker makes poor business decisions which leads to 4th government bailout in less than 2 decades.
I worked in the national park service for a bit before the current state of AI. We were forced to use only American made cars.
My ranking from bad to least bad in our fleet is Jeep, Ford, and then Dodge.
The Jeeps were constantly in the shop for mechanical failures. The Fords were constantly in the shop for recalls. The Dodges were finicky and had an occasional slip of the transmission but no major repairs.
And to be clear we did not have any "jeep" style Jeeps they make other cars. Any standard truck is going to be better for offroading.
Anyway, there is a very good reason I don't buy American cars. The worst quality for the most money
You missed out on Chevy. The 70s to 90s Chevy trucks are bomb proof. Hence why they all cost a fortune now. They'll never make a good vehicle again.
For anything leased through GSA there are forced rotations. Forgot how many miles, but most of the fleet was post 2019
Oh gross. Cars stop at 2014 for me.
They were also designed to be easily serviced by the owner for the occasional times that it was needed.
Exactly. So easy to fix.
its because the SLOP caters to specific demographics. all flash and no substance.
Someone got a huge bonus for firing all those engineers.
Hell yeah, they did something similar at Kohl's. Some dip shit executive who doesn't understand how life works because he's neppo baby had a suggestion to save the company MILLIONS.
Fire all the loss prevention people and that will pay for the theft currently happening. Dip shit didn't realize they were actually doing something, and theft went up 5x in under 6 months once people figured out they could walk in, grab a duffle bag, fill it with Nike/UA/whatever and just walk out. They're not allowed to even call the cops.
Bro got a 2 million dollar bonus, and now they can't hire LP back because they obviously moved on.
They should try the same thing with the police. Since crimes happen anyway what's the point in paying for them?
Although if you're firing US police the crime rate may actually go down.
our bougie version of trader joes is doing this right now. shoplifters security, cant even be followed by hired security anymore, the homeless usually heroin and meth addicts just come in snatch stuff like no tomorrow. at this point there isnt a reason to have the security anymore. now you cant snatch the item back, talk to them in a "aggressive way" or pretend like you are blocking them.
the city kept clearing the "homeless/drug addict" areas, and they have swarmed the area since.
Understandable. They couldn’t make a good car with people working there, either.
AI will get the bailout in half the time!
That one person at Ford going I told you so must feel so vindicated
Except that was the first person they laid off.
They thought they could treat their workers shitty and it backfired spectacularly on them! I only wish karma was this quick and brutal for other firms that treat their workers the same way.
Hope they all got nice pay raises for the hassle.
Surely this time companies will learn from this, right?
...Right?
I recently attended a presentation by NVIDIA at my company, where a summary slide had statements so outlandish, that I had to look around in disbelief. The statements had a trailing asterisk, but no actual clarifying text. I joked that it was for "NVIDIA is not responsible for any business decisions made based on these purely fictive statements" with a font size of 1 slightly different color than the background.
Fools. You're only supposed to fire enough that the leftovers hustle harder at the expense of their physical and mental well-being, not enough to noticeably affect the profit.
Like the post says, their mistake was thinking ai worked, when really it's true purpose is giving an excuse to get fewer employees to work harder.
Philosophical question... do you apply for one of those positions? I mean, on the one hand, they got bit hard so maybe they'll hold off on doing something like this again for a while, they're desperate so they'll likely make you jump through fewer hoops to hire and they'll appreciate your contributions more, and you'd be in a better position to negotiates good pay. On the other hand, their c-suite are clearly morons, they clearly don't understand how software works, they're probably gonna over-hire to correct their mistakes and then cull the employee population later, and the culture is probably going to be shit between the jaded senior staff and the influx of newbies.
C suites are usually headhunted. So if you already have a company under your belt at say $xB, theyll consider you for a company of $nxB. Domain expertise matters surprisingly little in the process. Anecdote and know a few.
Watch out Tesla. Dumbest car company of the year might not be your prize this year.
Classic Ford
I still think it was a big mistake to bail out the auto makers. Now all cars are just giant phones with some how even worse privacy laws. "Saftey" tech just keeps getting forcefully regulated into them, making them more expensive and making shittier drivers who can't even look in their blind spots anymore because those stupid blind spot detectors. We are pretty much at the point where we have Vin lock parts and can't replace a windshield motor without paying 1.8k to bring it back to the manufacturer, and thats BEFORE the labor from their licensed tech who is the only person who can touch the god damn thing I own and I will be paying off for 48 months at 450 dollars a month.
Oh but don't worry I think its ford themselves that have a patent for self driving cars to be able to repo themselves. So the the poor dealership that fucked me over won't lose any money when I can no longer afford payment on some of the shittiest trucks they've made.
Don't get a car or truck past 2013. Honestly peak cars IMO all existed around 90s-2006. Some good hits in the 80's too but you're prob not going to daily something that old. You all are going to want to learn how to work on your own car. If you don't have the tools and a shop it sucks a bit more and is sketchy sometimes, try to make a car friend or have people to ping off of. You can rent a lot of the tools too but I would insist on buying if its not like 300 bucks all at once. You want a good air compressor, a 12v battery charger/tester, a standard craftsman set, some ramp blocks/jacks, and the basic hand tools and you can do most things just fine.
So much of learning how to fix a car is kind of just having to fix it. I've only had 4 cars ive had to fix and daily drive sense ive started trying. And I came from practically no knowledge. YouTube surprisingly has had every single fix I needed for my exact model, and I would just google my problems and end up on forums from literally 2008 with the exact same problem and it was ususally solved. Most of the time its just replacing sensors, replacing gaskets, changing fluids or cat converter. Sometimes it doesnt fix it, so you just replace the next suspected thing.
I’m ready to sell my air compressor. 30 gal but not a ton of cfm. 18v hits plenty hard on my impact and tire inflator for the actual air need.
My little 12v impact will take the nuts of the lugs of my Subaru, but I need the 18 for the f350.
You aren't even going to keep it for blowing out crumbs in your keyboard? I got one of those tornado air whip guns and I bust that thing out everytime I need to work on the car just because I like to play with it. I'll bust out all the floor mats and blast the with air to avoid doing any real work.
Also I don't like using tire inflators, you get a cheap 12v one and you burn out the motor trying to inflate all 4 tires at once. Its good to keep in the car for an emergency but it can't be good for some of the smaller portable ones.
Its just so nice to have compressed air even if you don't plan on using air impact tools. And just having the compressor opens you up to a whole new world of tools not even car related. Sand blasting, spray painting, roofing, framing. Mine also doesnt have enough cfm to do air wrenches but I still love the thing.
I have an inflator for my chosen 18v battery system and have used it probably 100+ times. Going strong. If I was going to do any of the other things, a small pancake compressor would be fine and take up a lot less garage space.
Ironic the first successful car company from the early 1900s has come to this.
Uuuhmm akshually, in real capitalism we don't need any regulations, because if the company releases a very faulty product, no one will buy it, so the company will collapse.
So, uhh, the solution is - we need more capitalism ☝️🤓
I'd be pretty funny if they sued whoever sold them the a.i. for false advertising.
Sure they make mistakes but I think they were the only car company that didn't have to take a bail out in the 2008 crash.
Rookie numbers for the recalls and pointless spending Ford; gotta get those numbers up.
ChatGPT is AWESOME at averaging and producing the average of things that have been done before and rigorously documented online already.
Surely a system designed to regurgitate existing data with some randomization will come up with new solutions for novel problems not in their data set!
I mean, it will spit out something because it is designed to output something. Surely it will all work out!
Something something monkeys typewriters shakespeare
"New" is doing all the heavy lifting there.
New as in didn't exist before? Yes. For instance a model of ford that looks like a Toyota Yaris, is new.
New as in, has characteristics that don't appear in the training data... Far less likely.
So don’t buy ford, got it
Also implies they didn’t re-hire women
How does it imply that?
I’m an engineer and I don’t have a beard
"How do I make this about me?"
I mean, I feel like them rehiring women is about as likely as them hiring female engineers in the first place