Yeah, getting away from ads after a lifetime's exposure just highlights how disruptive they are when you see them again. Especially since most have negative value to the consumer.
I don't use adblock just so I don't have to see ads, I use adblock so that every time I view a news article I don't have 50 different domains grabbing my browser fingerprint to build a profile on me that can be used to bypass my 4th amendment right to privacy.
I actively look to ads on purpose to remember what NOT to buy anytime anywhere for all my life. I only follow ads from small creators when they are clearly not invasive or disruptive and only if they are supporting the creator clearly.
My brain just hears "buy product! We like our product to spend money on it to try to influence you! Now look at these pictures or hear these sounds of said product"
Like man in a suit walking up to me on the street and asking if I'd buy a cheeseburger from him because he likes it a lot.
Same goes for influencers and internet celebrities. Or any celebrity.
Being almost completely detached from that lifestyle... It's very weird seeing it.
...it's scary too. That culture starts to look more like the culture of skid row. Just people that lost their minds. (Heavy generalization)
Shit... Just people that do those selfy videos with their opinion creep me tf out. ...and twitter opinions... Etc... what a weird place we live. And most of the opinions are just regular marketed news opinions recycled because these people don't even know how to be genuine or think for themselves. I feel like there's an epidemic and most people are zombies detached from honest genuine humanity. And it's so prominent...
Once you zoom out and view the humanity from a detached state, it just looks so fucking brainless, immature, and lacking integrity. ...even the "successful" people.
For example... In America you basically can't have an original serious genuine conversation about existentialism or honest politics. Most of the people don't know how to think originally. Like it's like talking to robots that were all built on a factory line and they only have the set of thoughts they were programmed to have.
Tge problem isn't so much that people have changed. It is that these people are more visible. It's a scale issue. The general public has always been this stupid, but before social media, they just kept to their local communities or even just their own households. Now those communities are online, global and mainstream and even the houswewives you wouldn't normally see are there. It's all the people, all at once.
Unless you want to do something about it, you can best ignore them. Stick to your own group and your own family. You'll be much happier that way.
If you do want to do something. Repetition is key. Keep having the arguments that seem so pointless. Keep pointing to tge facts and the science,even though they don't seem to listen. If they hear it often enough and from enough directions, it might spark something.
Ads succeed when you "tune them out" so that they enter your unconscious mind, and then when you're thinking, "I'm hungry, what's for dinner," the product comes to mind.
The best defence against this kind of inception is to consciously think about the ad that's playing, and think, "I don't want <X>"
By using adblock, you reduce your exposure to ads, and reduce the number of times you need to consciously resist them.
I use a vpn that builds in Adblock, and only stream ad free services. I see very few ads in general so when I am subjected to them it’s a visceral reaction. It makes me hate the product intensely. That seems to align with what you’re describing.
I also tend to overthink purchases and research them if there is not a suitable local option. I’m not just ordering the first thing that comes to mind, I’m picky.
I am unhappy that the product exists in any way, regardless of my having it or not. The only thing that would make me desire the object more, is if it kills billionaires. Always tempting, those ones.
What kind of dumb fucking oh you are worse off cause you are avoiding ads bullshit. That's dumber than saying you are missing out on pop culture. You spent time on this meme and now im commenting on it. SAD
I don't think that was the message at all. Where does it imply that you're worse off? It's just a (in my experience) true statement about how ads are even more annoying when you're not so accustomed to tuning them out (like we were in the cable TV days)
I'm so thankful my parent's rule was that we muted TV commercials. Crazy how many people don't think to just mute youtube ads and pay attention to something else for 30 seconds.
I have had trouble not disassociating in a room where a TV is playing since I was a kid. I hate that it’s hard to find a place to eat that doesn’t have a million TVs these days.
I always save the 3.5 jack from headphones when they die. I carry them with me because they can instantly silence any TV you can reach. Doctors offices and airports are much better now.
I don't run ad block because they're showing me ads, I run it because creepy fuckers are trying to collect everything I've ever done online and store it forever.
Ads are supposed to target our cognitive unconscious.
Think about a car advertisement. Its not supposed to make you buy the car, it's supposed to make you aware of the car and what it represents. Its mass imposition of a dezired emotional connection to the producers and that which they promote.
They are conditioning us through imposition.
And you know that the masses are bombarded with it, so you know the overton window is shifted towards corporations. Anyone could challenge such an imposition, but it is not a single one, but thousand upon thousand.
Society are conditioned by capital through imposition.
When we see an imposition, we can either let it condition us or react to it.
By reacting, we entertain their framing which can make the imposition more effective.
There's always someone saying something like this in any "I hate ads" kind of thread but I gotta say that it sounds like the sort of shit marketers want everyone to believe because they want to drive demand for them.
I'm calling bullshit and don't believe that marketers have unlocked any kind of mind control powers that work on everyone including those hostile to what they are trying to say and that our subconscious are so easy to manipulate once we've become aware of those manipulations.
I've almost seen zero ads in about 15 years. I use all the types of adblockers: browser extensions and dns-based. I don't use traditional TV or movie theatres. I don't read printed magasines. So really, really close to no ads in 15 years. Yesterday I went to the fueling station with my car: there was nobody else. They changed the station so now, there's screens showing ads and really loud audio. Since there was nobody else, I could hear all 8 pump's ads screaming at the same time. It was really dystopian and overstimulating. I only managed to put like 5 litres and I couldn't stand it, I was screaming at the screen to stop shouting at me. I did pay my 5 litres that I put in, but I left for another gas station. I will never return to that one, which was my usual one.
Gas pump ads are the worst. I stopped going to a station because they couldn't be muted, and they're the ads that scream at you or brain rot craft videos. I wouldn't have minded so much if was only the "good news" segment or usefull PSAs. But yelling at me at 7am to buy beef jerky is not okay.
If a person came up to you at the pump and offered a flyer, that's okay. But if they started screaming at you to buy their shit, that'd be harassment. Gas pumps should not be allowed to "harass" people.
It's crazy to me that there are people that can't ignore shit like that. Just ignore, add them to the list, and move on. Do you have rush out to buy everything you see if billboards too?
Motherfucker I am still humming a jingle sometimes for a tooth powder ad for a company that went out of business before I was born, because my mother used to randomly sing it around the house when I was small.
That shit is pernicious.
Congratulations on your finely-developed ability to filter which of your perceptions advance to memory but I will pick up and remember just any random thing and it sticks
Ads are designed to trigger a change in a person's behavior in the target audience. If you are not the target audience or the ad is poorly calibrated it causes annoyance.
Most advertizing offers very little ROI to the business. This is why online advertisers are so aggressive on how they measure "engagement". Given that ad revenue is the the primary driver of online and TV, the industry massively overemphasizes their effectiveness. Most advertising campaigns are only marginally effective if at all.
There is always an ad that will work on you but it's not common. It's likely less than 0.01% the massive amount of ads you are exposed to. But hey if you see 100 ads per day and one ad every 100 days works. It can be worth it to the company.
The vast majority of ads don't work. Statistically there is a high probability of a subset of individuals where they don't work at all. So shitting on anyone who claims they don't work for them, only shows your own susceptibility to unsupported claims.
Human behavior is a wide distribution of genetic and cultural influences. Any broad claims like "everyone is susceptable to advertizing" is unsupportable.
Standing up for confidently incorrect individuals is a silly waste of time. We all see and hear thousands of ads per year no matter how many we block. It is absurd to suggest that there are people who could be exposed to that much psychological manipulation and remain entirely unaffected.
Just how much time have you spent in marketing to be such and expert on the subject?
There is a finite amount of manipulation techniques used by marketers and others to manipulate human behavior. These have been fine tuned to the nth degree to target susceptible individuals over the centuries. However they only work on susceptible individuals.
Individuals that differ from the targeted norm can resistant to the manipulation. This can be a instinctive response or a trained one via education. This is why in totalitarian government regimes, there is always a few individuals who don't fall for the shit.
Yes I'm sure you've never once seen an ad for a food or drink you already like, and then later purchased that food or drink because you started craving it over a period of a few hours. I'm sure you've never seen an ad for something you were already thinking of buying and then later bought it because the ad reminded you of it. Because you're the one human in existence that is absolutely 100% impervious to any kind of influence whatsoever. What is it even like to be so confidently incorrect? Do you even think you've ever been wrong a single time about anything? That level of confidence is so foreign to me, I cannot fathom what it could possibly feel like.
It's not overconfidence to know that I don't listen to ads. Even if they are playing near me, I drown it out with my own hatred for them. If I don't hear or see them, how do they affect me, precisely?
These posts are always about GENERALITIES in human behavior. Not the extreme ends or random differences. And yet there are always hordes of people claiming that EVERY SINGLE HUMAN ALIVE reacts the same to advertising.
What overconfidence you have in your own knowledge of the human mind that you can tell me about my own.
It's crazy to me that there are people who just accept ads into their lives.
According to sponsorblock my paltry 9 submissions saved people from 2619 segments, equalling to 1d21h5m of their lifes, and sponsorblock itself saved me from 4463 segments equalling to 2d14h7m of my life. And that's only sponsorblock, not my adblocker included which doesn't supply those stats.
Why would I ever allow companies to waste my life like that? Yeah sure you can "ignore" it (no you can't, you'll still hear their brand names and slogans/tunes), but if you have to ignore it it's still wasted time.
These companies are robbing the planets environment of so much energy and resources in order to rob us of our time so that they can rob us of our money. When you think of the scale of waste, it is literally incomprehensible to human brains. Almost certainly, MILLIONS OF YEARS OF COLLECTIVE HUMAN LIFE have been needlessly and carelessly wasted by other people intentionally. I genuinely cannot think of a more purely evil institution in the history of humanity.
I just object to 99% of advertising. If someone walked up to me in the street and interrupted what I was doing to try and get me to buy something I’d tell them to fuck off. I was fine with banner ads. Even animated ones. Then they had obnoxious audio, took over screen space and/or auto played. YouTube went from a 1-2 five second ads to ads over a minute. So now they all get blocked.
Bonus rant: Billboards are eco vandalism. You drive from my former home town to the beach and go from a bunch of green farming country, beautiful forest and mountains to coastlands. With billboards trying their best to fuck it up along the way. Fuck ignoring it, it’s a pleasure actively blocking it so these parasites waste money.
"You owe the companies nothing. You, especially, don’t owe them any courtesy. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don’t even start asking for theirs." Banksy on utilizing ad space.
That billboard thing is so true. I've often thought, while driving, "Man, if I were so rich that money meant nothing, I'd buy up all these billboards and cover them with forest paintings." No words, nobody trying to sell anything to anyone. Just nature being peaceful.
Also, digital billboards with their bright-ass screens need to die, like, yesterday. It's hard enough to preserve one's night vision with headlights the way they are, we don't need billboards beaming like the sun.
I have family members who have not been able to ignore a single ad. Ads are by definition predatory. Some of us being able to tune them out to a large degree just means we're not the prey they're looking for.
I grew up in the time when you watched live television and Mom made use mute all advertisements because she hated how loud they were. (Advertisements were broadcast louder than the programs) When I was in someone else's home that didn't mute them I don't feel like it made me pay attention to the messaging. That was still time to talk, get a drink, or use the facilities.
There was actually a successful campaign to get the FCC to force the volume of ads to be the same as the programming.
But that's the FCC so it only applies to broadcast TV. As soon as they could do it with streaming content, they went right back to blasting the volume for ads. Because fuck the spirit of the law, this is capitalism.
I had a really advanced CRT that had a Commercial button in the remote.
It'd auto-set a 30-second timer (+30 for every subsequent press) and you could freely swap channels. Timer expires, it switches back to the channel you were watching originally.
You'd think so, but no! My only real ad surfaces anymore are YouTube (sponsored spots), podcasts, and billboards. I am very good at skipping podcast ads and sponsor spots on YouTube, but when I don't I mostly just fume about how I can't for whatever reason (usually when I'm washing dishes and my hands are wet). Billboards are easy to ignore most of the time, too, because on my regular routes I know where they are and have apparently trained myself that there's not anything of interest there.
I don't use sponsorblock myself (though I don't begrudge anyone who does). For a couple of reasons:
I don't trust SponsorBlock necessarily, since it's community-noted. It's become clear that I have different opinions than others about what constitutes a sponsor spot. uBlock can be more certain about what constitutes an ad or not, since it comes from a different domain than the content, but with sponsor spots, they're part of the same content stream.
Sometimes host-read ad spots are actually clever, or integral to the video in some way.
I have a lot more sympathy for the individual creator who gets all of that money than I do for the trillion-dollar multinational conglomerate.
In any case, I am typically pretty good at skipping ahead. And if the sponsor segments get too onerous, I tend to just stop watching that channel.
EDIT TO ADD: I've been informed that SponsorBlock now does a good job of solving the first problem by categorizing sponsor spots. I'll have to try it out again.
FYI, you don't have to have it automatically skip segments. You can have it label the segment in the seek bar (different color depending on type of content), and when the video reaches that point, a little option to skip pops up. So it's entirely up to you each time.
Yep, I block the embedded ads from YouTube, too. I don't use SponsorBlock to automatically skip the ad spots that the creator put in themselves, though. Sometimes they're actually clever, but more to the point I have a lot more sympathy for the individual creator who gets all of that money than I do for the trillion-dollar multinational conglomerate.
You can configure which categories to skip, so you could enable ad spots, yet still skip intros, or non-music portions of music videos, that kind of thing. There are 10 different categories.
Oh, interesting! The last time I tried it was long, long ago, so I didn't realize that they had expanded that configuration. Or maybe I just don't remember seeing it.
Ads are manipulative and predatory, if you don't have a good extensive ad block on all your devices, you will fall for them even if you think you ignoring them, they are made and designed for you to get stuff subconsciously not knowing you are doing this. What really bothers me is how it actually can fuck up elderly and disabled people, had a ex who's parents actually bought things without realizing it because a ad played and they didn't know they was being coerced of emulated, they bought so so much things they didn't need with the Little money they had.
I will always provide help to people around me on how to block as much ads as possible on there machines, however possible. Fuck the corporations.
When my wife was pregnant with our youngest she had to eat a no fat diet so I joined her. After the birth we went back to eating normally and felt sick. We eat much healthier now.
When trying to lose weight I cut out soda, a few years later I tried a soda and it tasted like garbage to me. All I could taste was salty sugar and avoid just about anything but water idea days.
After years of no ads when I watch live sports (watched the Pikes Peak HC today for example) I have to mute the TV and look away. I'm repulsed by then completely.
Sometimes I'll start to notice ads for things I already use and it makes me want to use them less. I do sometimes find myself more distracted by ads in public tho
Interestingly growing up with the internet and alongside the growth of internet based advertising I kinda inadvertently developed a sort of mental adblock. I kinda don't see or hear them even as they're happening, I feel like one of those Westworld robots "Doesn't look like anything to me". I think everyone's kinda got one of those even from all the tv and radio ads before the internet and still today, hence needing to justify so much marketing research and creative work to stand out but it seems I reached some saturation point a long time ago and now I'd have to actually choose to concentrate to even perceive an ad happening.
This has survived despite probably 15 years of ublock origin use. I definitely noticed when I use a machine without it that there's like impediments to navigation if the web, like road blocks but I'm so trained to close the ad or leave the page that all I ever see is the x button.
Yeah, I still listen to the radio occasionally. Then I get an ad with a siren, I call up my friend John at the station and let him know, and I stop listening for a month.
God I feel this. If I'm at someone else's house, or a bar and free to air is on, I' get so distracted. I think it's partly the ADHD partly the fact every ad is brand new to me. Distraction is the
When I was eating dinner with my ex we liked to put on a youtube video to watch. We always did it on my phone even tho the screen is smaller because I use YouTube vanced, so we didn't have to watch any ads or sponsored segments. Anytime we would have to use her phone cause mine was empty or something I annoyed the hell out of me that we had to watch two ads just for a 16 minute video
Yeah, but not really... If I hear annoying commercial (that would usually be just another commercial) that somehow slips through an ad blocker, I'll hate it with a passion of 10000 burning suns.
I'll go extra distance to actively avoid that product...
On the other hand, my dad will sing the jingle whole day and then buy the item next time he sees it. -_-
I do watch television. The Finnish public broadcaster, so no ads. Really good use for tax money, people tend to say. The streaming service is incredible considering it's free and has no ads.
it was my mom who 'taught' me how to skip ads on tv. we had one of the earliest betamax when i was a kid, she recorded everything she watched and always fast-forwarded through the commercials. that first vcr had dials for channel changing and could only do one scheduled recording.. but it was used a lot
No not really, because I've also trained my eyes to immediately glaze over and flick away from any ads. It's kind of like riding a bike, you don't forget
Same, it's actually a problem for me. If anything looks like an ad I cannot see it. It has gotten me a few times when looking for UI in an app, specific items in a menu at a restaurant, etc. I look all over for something, only to find out it was in some special box because it's being promoted and my gf had to point it out for me because my brain blocks it out completely.
Digital ads do not promote things I'm interested in buying. I do not see ads very often at all - I haven't had a TV for 20+ years, I don't go to cinemas, so I don't even see those kinds of ads. Occasional ads on YT pop up, and I'll skip them; if they are unskippable or too frequent, I'll abandon the vid. I'm not on any commercial "social media", so I don't see ads on them either. I've just never liked social media - Lemmy and Mastodon are all I use these days.
Occasionally, very, very occasionally, I'll see a meatspace ad that I pay attention to: there's a local alternative music collective that wheatpaste ads around in a nearby town. I actually WANT to know about these events, and I will actually go to them, and I actually sought them out in the first place. I also see ads at my local community centre, for local events. Same kind of thing.
They actually plan on ads being tuned out, it's more about choking out the presence of competitors than it is actually convincing the audience that their product is worth while; y'know, like a weed.
Either way, I don't fall for it because I just make sure to type in "Reddit," right after my search for a product I want so that I get honest human reviews and not ads. 😏
Ah yes, starting out with you people, the nicest way to do things. In case you didn’t realize plain text loses intonation and body language. Makes it hard to understand certain implications.
It doesn't if you aren't just dying to catch someone being stupid. I don't care about being nice, this is the first time in my entire life that someone has admitted to expecting me to be nice online. /s
I think it also depends on context. If you're being "sarcastic" about something that could be harmful to someone if genuine, then it's better to make that clear and avoid potentially doing that harm. In this case, I'm making fun of Reddit and ads, no harm done.
Who they fuck watches broadcast TV? Back to bed Grandpa
It doesn't say the TV is only broadcast. Lots of people have smart TVs and use streaming services that also force ads upon you.
I can't help all stupid people
I'm watching the France match right now on live TV. Putting a cane on the wish list for my 38th this summer.
That's totally the same😂
So what are you saying. Get the overpriced premium subscriptions or pirate?
Actually it’s the opposite. It pisses me off so much when I see an ad now.
Yeah, getting away from ads after a lifetime's exposure just highlights how disruptive they are when you see them again. Especially since most have negative value to the consumer.
I can't even stand that "corporate enthusiasm" tone anymore. It's just fake.
How is that the opposite? Is that not like the whole point of the meme? That you can't tune it out and that sucks?
You’re right, I completely misread the meme.
I assumed they meant it would work better on me since I’m not used to it.
But actually it mean that it would be more annoying than before.
I don't use adblock just so I don't have to see ads, I use adblock so that every time I view a news article I don't have 50 different domains grabbing my browser fingerprint to build a profile on me that can be used to bypass my 4th amendment right to privacy.
Every ad I block is one fewer ad I have to see, so it’s a win either way
Use adnauseum to burn advertisers cash
I actively look to ads on purpose to remember what NOT to buy anytime anywhere for all my life. I only follow ads from small creators when they are clearly not invasive or disruptive and only if they are supporting the creator clearly.
Ad Block already exists on TV:
Yeah it's just annoying to have to keep paying attention anyway so you know when to unmute. So you end up watching a little bit of silent ads anyway.
Depends. On some Smart TVs, if you try to mute advertisements on certain streaming platforms, it won't let you. It will only go to half volume.
Fuckin right
Life is hell
I find it pretty easy actually, it's alien now but in a way that can be classified and instantly dismissed.
My reaction is instant annoyance and avoidance. I don't remember anything about the ad either, so it doesn't make it any more memorable either.
Exactly.
My brain just hears "buy product! We like our product to spend money on it to try to influence you! Now look at these pictures or hear these sounds of said product"
Like man in a suit walking up to me on the street and asking if I'd buy a cheeseburger from him because he likes it a lot.
Enjoy your product sir, ill be leaving now.
I see you've met Danny. How's he doing these days?
My reaction..
Same goes for influencers and internet celebrities. Or any celebrity.
Being almost completely detached from that lifestyle... It's very weird seeing it.
...it's scary too. That culture starts to look more like the culture of skid row. Just people that lost their minds. (Heavy generalization)
Shit... Just people that do those selfy videos with their opinion creep me tf out. ...and twitter opinions... Etc... what a weird place we live. And most of the opinions are just regular marketed news opinions recycled because these people don't even know how to be genuine or think for themselves. I feel like there's an epidemic and most people are zombies detached from honest genuine humanity. And it's so prominent...
Once you zoom out and view the humanity from a detached state, it just looks so fucking brainless, immature, and lacking integrity. ...even the "successful" people.
For example... In America you basically can't have an original serious genuine conversation about existentialism or honest politics. Most of the people don't know how to think originally. Like it's like talking to robots that were all built on a factory line and they only have the set of thoughts they were programmed to have.
Tge problem isn't so much that people have changed. It is that these people are more visible. It's a scale issue. The general public has always been this stupid, but before social media, they just kept to their local communities or even just their own households. Now those communities are online, global and mainstream and even the houswewives you wouldn't normally see are there. It's all the people, all at once.
Unless you want to do something about it, you can best ignore them. Stick to your own group and your own family. You'll be much happier that way.
If you do want to do something. Repetition is key. Keep having the arguments that seem so pointless. Keep pointing to tge facts and the science,even though they don't seem to listen. If they hear it often enough and from enough directions, it might spark something.
What kind of stupid take is this? I avoid ads because I find them annoying. It doesn’t supercharge the ones I can’t avoid.
Ads succeed when you "tune them out" so that they enter your unconscious mind, and then when you're thinking, "I'm hungry, what's for dinner," the product comes to mind.
The best defence against this kind of inception is to consciously think about the ad that's playing, and think, "I don't want <X>"
By using adblock, you reduce your exposure to ads, and reduce the number of times you need to consciously resist them.
Q's take is just wrong.
I use a vpn that builds in Adblock, and only stream ad free services. I see very few ads in general so when I am subjected to them it’s a visceral reaction. It makes me hate the product intensely. That seems to align with what you’re describing.
I also tend to overthink purchases and research them if there is not a suitable local option. I’m not just ordering the first thing that comes to mind, I’m picky.
It just seemed like an observation to me. One that personally rings true.
I didn't read it as being pro-ad or anti-adblock. Just more of like, "have you noticed this?" type thing.
Was honestly surprised when I saw that so many people here are taking this to be some kind of anti ad blocker message. I just don't see it.
It's two fold: ads are annoying, and they actually work to slowly make you less happy without the advertised product.
I am unhappy that the product exists in any way, regardless of my having it or not. The only thing that would make me desire the object more, is if it kills billionaires. Always tempting, those ones.
thats what they want you to believe
I’ve never seen a Taco Bell add and thought I was missing out. I’m not suddenly craving plastic looking food.
What kind of dumb fucking oh you are worse off cause you are avoiding ads bullshit. That's dumber than saying you are missing out on pop culture. You spent time on this meme and now im commenting on it. SAD
I don't think that was the message at all. Where does it imply that you're worse off? It's just a (in my experience) true statement about how ads are even more annoying when you're not so accustomed to tuning them out (like we were in the cable TV days)
Was this a spirial?
Nah, I have decades of practice filtering out ads and the old habits come right back when I have to endure them.
I'm so thankful my parent's rule was that we muted TV commercials. Crazy how many people don't think to just mute youtube ads and pay attention to something else for 30 seconds.
"By not drinking antifreeze, you've just re-sensitized yourself so any antifreeze you drink will be impossible to metabolize."
But I love my wine
At this point, I have difficulty following a conversation in the same room where a TV is playing.
Saaaaammmmeeeee
I have had trouble not disassociating in a room where a TV is playing since I was a kid. I hate that it’s hard to find a place to eat that doesn’t have a million TVs these days.
I always save the 3.5 jack from headphones when they die. I carry them with me because they can instantly silence any TV you can reach. Doctors offices and airports are much better now.
I had never seen that before I came to the US, tv's are only supposed to be in sports bars, why are they everywhere?
Same, have this problem all the time at my in laws. TV is blasting all day
I don't run ad block because they're showing me ads, I run it because creepy fuckers are trying to collect everything I've ever done online and store it forever.
https://www.musixmatch.com/lyrics/Vienna-Teng/The-Hymn-of-Acxiom
The silver lining of this is that now when I do see ads I am instantly angered by them. So I have a new kind of immunity, hatred for marketing
Ads are supposed to target our cognitive unconscious.
Think about a car advertisement. Its not supposed to make you buy the car, it's supposed to make you aware of the car and what it represents. Its mass imposition of a dezired emotional connection to the producers and that which they promote.
They are conditioning us through imposition.
And you know that the masses are bombarded with it, so you know the overton window is shifted towards corporations. Anyone could challenge such an imposition, but it is not a single one, but thousand upon thousand.
Society are conditioned by capital through imposition.
When we see an imposition, we can either let it condition us or react to it.
By reacting, we entertain their framing which can make the imposition more effective.
There's always someone saying something like this in any "I hate ads" kind of thread but I gotta say that it sounds like the sort of shit marketers want everyone to believe because they want to drive demand for them.
I'm calling bullshit and don't believe that marketers have unlocked any kind of mind control powers that work on everyone including those hostile to what they are trying to say and that our subconscious are so easy to manipulate once we've become aware of those manipulations.
Everyone has mindcontrol. I can even force you into thinking about a house being covered with butter. You see?
My solution to avoiding capitalist propaganda is being too poor to afford things
.. my blocking ads is a courtesy so you don't waste your time, cpu cycles, and bandwidth on serving them to me.
Precisely. The only time I tolerate ads are when I'm driving and listening to a podcast
Commercial starts: "Buy our new...."
Me: " Okay, this is clearly not meant for me..."
I've almost seen zero ads in about 15 years. I use all the types of adblockers: browser extensions and dns-based. I don't use traditional TV or movie theatres. I don't read printed magasines. So really, really close to no ads in 15 years. Yesterday I went to the fueling station with my car: there was nobody else. They changed the station so now, there's screens showing ads and really loud audio. Since there was nobody else, I could hear all 8 pump's ads screaming at the same time. It was really dystopian and overstimulating. I only managed to put like 5 litres and I couldn't stand it, I was screaming at the screen to stop shouting at me. I did pay my 5 litres that I put in, but I left for another gas station. I will never return to that one, which was my usual one.
Gas pump ads are the worst. I stopped going to a station because they couldn't be muted, and they're the ads that scream at you or brain rot craft videos. I wouldn't have minded so much if was only the "good news" segment or usefull PSAs. But yelling at me at 7am to buy beef jerky is not okay.
If a person came up to you at the pump and offered a flyer, that's okay. But if they started screaming at you to buy their shit, that'd be harassment. Gas pumps should not be allowed to "harass" people.
Luckily the stations near me that play ads only play ads when you're actively pumping gas.
Of course they sound horrific now that all the speakers are blown, you can't even tell what the ad is trying to say.
Second button from the top on the right side.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
And when it doesn’t, an air can upside-down in the speaker grille leaves no evidence.
Fuck that leave evidence. I want them to know it was me who destroyed their ad machine
Did you forget that your car has a license plate and registration lol
i go everywhere on a very recognizable ebike that is why i forgot that
Find the speakers, take a safety pin, poke through the speaker holes. Problem solved.
Bullshit.
I already could never ignore that shit, that’s why I’m so thorough and motivated about scrubbing ads from my life.
It's crazy to me that there are people that can't ignore shit like that. Just ignore, add them to the list, and move on. Do you have rush out to buy everything you see if billboards too?
Motherfucker I am still humming a jingle sometimes for a tooth powder ad for a company that went out of business before I was born, because my mother used to randomly sing it around the house when I was small.
That shit is pernicious.
Congratulations on your finely-developed ability to filter which of your perceptions advance to memory but I will pick up and remember just any random thing and it sticks
Found the "ads don't actually work" person that without fail is in every single thread about ads. They work on you. You're not super human.
Ads are designed to trigger a change in a person's behavior in the target audience. If you are not the target audience or the ad is poorly calibrated it causes annoyance.
Most advertizing offers very little ROI to the business. This is why online advertisers are so aggressive on how they measure "engagement". Given that ad revenue is the the primary driver of online and TV, the industry massively overemphasizes their effectiveness. Most advertising campaigns are only marginally effective if at all.
There is always an ad that will work on you but it's not common. It's likely less than 0.01% the massive amount of ads you are exposed to. But hey if you see 100 ads per day and one ad every 100 days works. It can be worth it to the company.
That is a really long way to say "ads work". I never said they always or usually work on any given individual.
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The vast majority of ads don't work. Statistically there is a high probability of a subset of individuals where they don't work at all. So shitting on anyone who claims they don't work for them, only shows your own susceptibility to unsupported claims.
Human behavior is a wide distribution of genetic and cultural influences. Any broad claims like "everyone is susceptable to advertizing" is unsupportable.
Standing up for confidently incorrect individuals is a silly waste of time. We all see and hear thousands of ads per year no matter how many we block. It is absurd to suggest that there are people who could be exposed to that much psychological manipulation and remain entirely unaffected.
Reality is often absurd and not what you expect.
Just how much time have you spent in marketing to be such and expert on the subject?
There is a finite amount of manipulation techniques used by marketers and others to manipulate human behavior. These have been fine tuned to the nth degree to target susceptible individuals over the centuries. However they only work on susceptible individuals.
Individuals that differ from the targeted norm can resistant to the manipulation. This can be a instinctive response or a trained one via education. This is why in totalitarian government regimes, there is always a few individuals who don't fall for the shit.
They don't... They really don't.
Then explain why there is a multi million industry and branch of research/education if it doesn't work?
Yes I'm sure you've never once seen an ad for a food or drink you already like, and then later purchased that food or drink because you started craving it over a period of a few hours. I'm sure you've never seen an ad for something you were already thinking of buying and then later bought it because the ad reminded you of it. Because you're the one human in existence that is absolutely 100% impervious to any kind of influence whatsoever. What is it even like to be so confidently incorrect? Do you even think you've ever been wrong a single time about anything? That level of confidence is so foreign to me, I cannot fathom what it could possibly feel like.
Correct. I am that person.
I have a feeling that overconfidence is an issue for you
It's not overconfidence to know that I don't listen to ads. Even if they are playing near me, I drown it out with my own hatred for them. If I don't hear or see them, how do they affect me, precisely?
These posts are always about GENERALITIES in human behavior. Not the extreme ends or random differences. And yet there are always hordes of people claiming that EVERY SINGLE HUMAN ALIVE reacts the same to advertising.
What overconfidence you have in your own knowledge of the human mind that you can tell me about my own.
It's crazy to me that there are people who just accept ads into their lives.
According to sponsorblock my paltry 9 submissions saved people from 2619 segments, equalling to 1d21h5m of their lifes, and sponsorblock itself saved me from 4463 segments equalling to 2d14h7m of my life. And that's only sponsorblock, not my adblocker included which doesn't supply those stats.
Why would I ever allow companies to waste my life like that? Yeah sure you can "ignore" it (no you can't, you'll still hear their brand names and slogans/tunes), but if you have to ignore it it's still wasted time.
Fuck that
These companies are robbing the planets environment of so much energy and resources in order to rob us of our time so that they can rob us of our money. When you think of the scale of waste, it is literally incomprehensible to human brains. Almost certainly, MILLIONS OF YEARS OF COLLECTIVE HUMAN LIFE have been needlessly and carelessly wasted by other people intentionally. I genuinely cannot think of a more purely evil institution in the history of humanity.
I just object to 99% of advertising. If someone walked up to me in the street and interrupted what I was doing to try and get me to buy something I’d tell them to fuck off. I was fine with banner ads. Even animated ones. Then they had obnoxious audio, took over screen space and/or auto played. YouTube went from a 1-2 five second ads to ads over a minute. So now they all get blocked.
Bonus rant: Billboards are eco vandalism. You drive from my former home town to the beach and go from a bunch of green farming country, beautiful forest and mountains to coastlands. With billboards trying their best to fuck it up along the way. Fuck ignoring it, it’s a pleasure actively blocking it so these parasites waste money.
"You owe the companies nothing. You, especially, don’t owe them any courtesy. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don’t even start asking for theirs." Banksy on utilizing ad space.
That billboard thing is so true. I've often thought, while driving, "Man, if I were so rich that money meant nothing, I'd buy up all these billboards and cover them with forest paintings." No words, nobody trying to sell anything to anyone. Just nature being peaceful.
Also, digital billboards with their bright-ass screens need to die, like, yesterday. It's hard enough to preserve one's night vision with headlights the way they are, we don't need billboards beaming like the sun.
I have family members who have not been able to ignore a single ad. Ads are by definition predatory. Some of us being able to tune them out to a large degree just means we're not the prey they're looking for.
I grew up in the time when you watched live television and Mom made use mute all advertisements because she hated how loud they were. (Advertisements were broadcast louder than the programs) When I was in someone else's home that didn't mute them I don't feel like it made me pay attention to the messaging. That was still time to talk, get a drink, or use the facilities.
There was actually a successful campaign to get the FCC to force the volume of ads to be the same as the programming.
But that's the FCC so it only applies to broadcast TV. As soon as they could do it with streaming content, they went right back to blasting the volume for ads. Because fuck the spirit of the law, this is capitalism.
I had a really advanced CRT that had a Commercial button in the remote. It'd auto-set a 30-second timer (+30 for every subsequent press) and you could freely swap channels. Timer expires, it switches back to the channel you were watching originally.
At a certain point it becomes cult-like and you reel in disgust.
Eh, not really. I barely see ads and I'm fine tuning out the ones I do see.
Granted, I'm not the type to go on those really dramatic anti-advertising tirades you see around.
You'd think so, but no! My only real ad surfaces anymore are YouTube (sponsored spots), podcasts, and billboards. I am very good at skipping podcast ads and sponsor spots on YouTube, but when I don't I mostly just fume about how I can't for whatever reason (usually when I'm washing dishes and my hands are wet). Billboards are easy to ignore most of the time, too, because on my regular routes I know where they are and have apparently trained myself that there's not anything of interest there.
YouTube has gotten a lot better since I started using "sponsorblock", it automatically skips sponsor segments.
I don't use sponsorblock myself (though I don't begrudge anyone who does). For a couple of reasons:
I don't trust SponsorBlock necessarily, since it's community-noted. It's become clear that I have different opinions than others about what constitutes a sponsor spot. uBlock can be more certain about what constitutes an ad or not, since it comes from a different domain than the content, but with sponsor spots, they're part of the same content stream.
Sometimes host-read ad spots are actually clever, or integral to the video in some way.
I have a lot more sympathy for the individual creator who gets all of that money than I do for the trillion-dollar multinational conglomerate.
In any case, I am typically pretty good at skipping ahead. And if the sponsor segments get too onerous, I tend to just stop watching that channel.
EDIT TO ADD: I've been informed that SponsorBlock now does a good job of solving the first problem by categorizing sponsor spots. I'll have to try it out again.
FYI, you don't have to have it automatically skip segments. You can have it label the segment in the seek bar (different color depending on type of content), and when the video reaches that point, a little option to skip pops up. So it's entirely up to you each time.
i use ublock origin.
You can use both, I do.
Noutube on fdroid also does this automagically.
i adblock youtube ads, its impossible without it.
Yep, I block the embedded ads from YouTube, too. I don't use SponsorBlock to automatically skip the ad spots that the creator put in themselves, though. Sometimes they're actually clever, but more to the point I have a lot more sympathy for the individual creator who gets all of that money than I do for the trillion-dollar multinational conglomerate.
You can configure which categories to skip, so you could enable ad spots, yet still skip intros, or non-music portions of music videos, that kind of thing. There are 10 different categories.
Oh, interesting! The last time I tried it was long, long ago, so I didn't realize that they had expanded that configuration. Or maybe I just don't remember seeing it.
Ads are manipulative and predatory, if you don't have a good extensive ad block on all your devices, you will fall for them even if you think you ignoring them, they are made and designed for you to get stuff subconsciously not knowing you are doing this. What really bothers me is how it actually can fuck up elderly and disabled people, had a ex who's parents actually bought things without realizing it because a ad played and they didn't know they was being coerced of emulated, they bought so so much things they didn't need with the Little money they had.
I will always provide help to people around me on how to block as much ads as possible on there machines, however possible. Fuck the corporations.
I don't want to be blind to it. I want to be able to snipe it from ten kilometers away.
When my wife was pregnant with our youngest she had to eat a no fat diet so I joined her. After the birth we went back to eating normally and felt sick. We eat much healthier now.
When trying to lose weight I cut out soda, a few years later I tried a soda and it tasted like garbage to me. All I could taste was salty sugar and avoid just about anything but water idea days.
After years of no ads when I watch live sports (watched the Pikes Peak HC today for example) I have to mute the TV and look away. I'm repulsed by then completely.
This is a good thing.
and this is why google is trying to incorporate cameras into TVs and entertainment systems.
can't look away if big brother is watching.
Fuck...
Sometimes I'll start to notice ads for things I already use and it makes me want to use them less. I do sometimes find myself more distracted by ads in public tho
Interestingly growing up with the internet and alongside the growth of internet based advertising I kinda inadvertently developed a sort of mental adblock. I kinda don't see or hear them even as they're happening, I feel like one of those Westworld robots "Doesn't look like anything to me". I think everyone's kinda got one of those even from all the tv and radio ads before the internet and still today, hence needing to justify so much marketing research and creative work to stand out but it seems I reached some saturation point a long time ago and now I'd have to actually choose to concentrate to even perceive an ad happening.
This has survived despite probably 15 years of ublock origin use. I definitely noticed when I use a machine without it that there's like impediments to navigation if the web, like road blocks but I'm so trained to close the ad or leave the page that all I ever see is the x button.
right around the time when google was restricting adblocks was like 12ish years ago, is when i switched to firefox permanently.
Yeah, I still listen to the radio occasionally. Then I get an ad with a siren, I call up my friend John at the station and let him know, and I stop listening for a month.
As someone with ADHD, nah.
God I feel this. If I'm at someone else's house, or a bar and free to air is on, I' get so distracted. I think it's partly the ADHD partly the fact every ad is brand new to me. Distraction is the
So distracted they couldn't finish the thought
When I was eating dinner with my ex we liked to put on a youtube video to watch. We always did it on my phone even tho the screen is smaller because I use YouTube vanced, so we didn't have to watch any ads or sponsored segments. Anytime we would have to use her phone cause mine was empty or something I annoyed the hell out of me that we had to watch two ads just for a 16 minute video
This happened to me yesterday at someones house. Was a painful 90 seconds learning about Crisco firewalls.
the worst part about Crisco firewalls is the melting point. after one DDOS attack they just puddle on the floor.
last time I ever use a Crisco firewall to protect my Citrus desktops.
God, don’t even get me started on Citrus. “Work remotely, avoid scurvy”.
Nothing like a well seasoned firewall
No, now when I see an ad I just hate it, the more I see your BS in a paid promotion, the less that I'll want it.
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Yeah, but not really... If I hear annoying commercial (that would usually be just another commercial) that somehow slips through an ad blocker, I'll hate it with a passion of 10000 burning suns. I'll go extra distance to actively avoid that product...
On the other hand, my dad will sing the jingle whole day and then buy the item next time he sees it. -_-
Your dad sounds like a Level 7 Susceptible.
He's a boomer, so yeah :)
Uno Reverse: I boycott every product in every ad I see
haha... same here.. i boycott for 6 months after i have seen an ad.
toughest one so far had been seeing an ad of my favourite coffee brand a couple years back
How do you do that? Do you see no ads or do you keep a list of not to buy?
Or just when the effect kicks in and you remember sth out of the ads you don't buy it?
Also if sth. needs as much ads as raid shadow legends you can safely assume it is not worth it's money
I almost get zero ads, I would if I lived alone
Yes
That too
Basically
It's almost easier to go "I've heard of this... nah."
I do watch television. The Finnish public broadcaster, so no ads. Really good use for tax money, people tend to say. The streaming service is incredible considering it's free and has no ads.
That sounds like a dream. I think public broadcasting is an excellent use of tax
dollarsmoney.A good reason to learn Finnish. Any downsides I should be aware of?
Dunno about downsides, but on the upside, once you can speak it, you'll be an absolute ace behind the wheel of a car in snow and ice.
It's the opposite. Whenever I have to watch live TV, I get really aggressive and annoyed over the amount of ads
it was my mom who 'taught' me how to skip ads on tv. we had one of the earliest betamax when i was a kid, she recorded everything she watched and always fast-forwarded through the commercials. that first vcr had dials for channel changing and could only do one scheduled recording.. but it was used a lot
No not really, because I've also trained my eyes to immediately glaze over and flick away from any ads. It's kind of like riding a bike, you don't forget
Same, it's actually a problem for me. If anything looks like an ad I cannot see it. It has gotten me a few times when looking for UI in an app, specific items in a menu at a restaurant, etc. I look all over for something, only to find out it was in some special box because it's being promoted and my gf had to point it out for me because my brain blocks it out completely.
Is that how people work...? Seriously? Are peoples brains that mushy?
maybe the ones that watch TV for hours on end?
If I see the existence of a product being acknowledged in any way, I just assume it's an ad.
Now, you want me to actually go to your store and try your product? Put some promotional coupons in my mailbox, I love that shit.
Oh shit my physical mailbox
What ads am I gonna see though, everything I touch daily has adblocking on it.
Yes, and now it’s not a subconscious message, but one I consciously loathe.
Digital ads do not promote things I'm interested in buying. I do not see ads very often at all - I haven't had a TV for 20+ years, I don't go to cinemas, so I don't even see those kinds of ads. Occasional ads on YT pop up, and I'll skip them; if they are unskippable or too frequent, I'll abandon the vid. I'm not on any commercial "social media", so I don't see ads on them either. I've just never liked social media - Lemmy and Mastodon are all I use these days.
Occasionally, very, very occasionally, I'll see a meatspace ad that I pay attention to: there's a local alternative music collective that wheatpaste ads around in a nearby town. I actually WANT to know about these events, and I will actually go to them, and I actually sought them out in the first place. I also see ads at my local community centre, for local events. Same kind of thing.
So how is this resistance futile?
There's some truth to that. Wherever i see an ad, I have a visceral adverse reaction these days.
Not really, we get really mad at any a ads that are horrible. If it’s a good ad that’s a different thing ig
I’m not watching ads, just a hydration break.
They actually plan on ads being tuned out, it's more about choking out the presence of competitors than it is actually convincing the audience that their product is worth while; y'know, like a weed.
Either way, I don't fall for it because I just make sure to type in "Reddit," right after my search for a product I want so that I get honest human reviews and not ads. 😏
Lolz who is going to tell orioler25?
Do you people actually need "/s" to not be annoying? I added the fucking smug face and everything.
Ah yes, starting out with you people, the nicest way to do things. In case you didn’t realize plain text loses intonation and body language. Makes it hard to understand certain implications.
It doesn't if you aren't just dying to catch someone being stupid. I don't care about being nice, this is the first time in my entire life that someone has admitted to expecting me to be nice online. /s
I guess we have different online experiences. Have a good one.
Okay, well this time I did put the "/s" and you guys still got mad about it, so I don't think I've done any wrong here.
Who got mad?
I'm with you, I refuse to use it. If my comment gets downvoted because of that, then so be it.
Why try to be funny only to immediately compromise it?
I think it also depends on context. If you're being "sarcastic" about something that could be harmful to someone if genuine, then it's better to make that clear and avoid potentially doing that harm. In this case, I'm making fun of Reddit and ads, no harm done.
Sometimes I go to Reddit and then proceed to click on every ad like an idiot
if you use firefox or another browser fork, you can have adblock on.