Jensen Huang says gamers are 'completely wrong' about DLSS 5 — Nvidia CEO responds to DLSS 5 backlash
"Well, first of all, they're completely wrong," Huang said in response to a question from Tom's Hardware editor-in-chief Paul Alcorn about the criticism.
"The reason for that is because, as I have explained very carefully, DLSS 5 fuses controllability of the of geometry and textures and everything about the game with generative AI," Huang continued.
Just a elongated way to say AI slop.
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/jensen-huang-says-gamers-are-completely-wrong-about-dlss-5-nvidia-ceo-responds-to-dlss-5-backlashOpen linkView original on lemmy.world670
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I mean he's gotta say people are wrong for not liking it, it's his job to sell it
True. I mean we can't exactly expect the CEO of an AI company to admit his AI tool produces AI slop. Got to think about shareholder value after all.
Anyway outlaw the stock market and shareholders and this won't happen again. It's just a way for rich gambling addicts to bet and rope regular people into it in the hopes of getting rich only for them to lose everything.
His statement reeks of "Don't you all have phones" energy.
It's worse...
People are saying it's AI slop filter, and he won't shut the fuck up that the slop isn't a filter, it's a main ingredient.
When enabled it fundamentally changes how it works.
Developers will be stuck with the default version we've seen, or have to devote a shit ton of money to do twice the work for the people who use this, and they won't see the other version.
Like, this shit is going to get worse and worse the more people understand it.
he wont be able to afford hes new jacket then.
holy shit
"completely wrong" and proceeds to say it's just a "fusion".
It IS an AI slop filter, and you can take it and shove it up your ass alongside all of your stupid jackets.
he needs the money so he can buy more JACKETS.
If he shoves them all up his rectum and pull them out they'll be all tied together cause he's a clown.
I never would trust a 70 year old tech bro wearing a leather jacket.
Wasn't it always an Ai driven filter? What is different about 5 that makes it detestable in comparison?
It completely changes the graphics into 'ai slop'. If you look at their examples, it makes the game looks like slop videos.
What did dlss 4 and 3 do?
@Lemming6969 @dovahking DLSS 4/3 just had fake frame generation and upscaling techniques. DLSS 5 is the first one that introduces this slop filter that replaces the image entirely.
This one uses generative AI to "add details" instead of just adding pixels for more resolution. It can decide what a character "should" look like pushing a more homogeneous design to anyone using this since it will be built in training models of who knows what origin.
Looking forward to the day I boot up a new game and all the characters look like this because I don't have DLSS 9 enabled
On the bright side there are more games than anybody can play in a lifetime that already exist. Sucks ass for my favourite hobby and lifelong companion from before my memory begins, but hey.
And, indies are still going strong. AAA died ten years ago, but we still get classics like Outer Wilds
Yeah, it's actually been kind of a relief to have fewer new games to look forward to every year. I have a backlog of something like 700 unplayed games already in my library. I know I'm not going to play them all as much as they deserve before I die, but being able to make a much bigger dent in them is nice.
Gamers do not want x.
Gamers are wrong about this.
That is definitely how it works. Keep pushing that line.
I don't like this movie.
You are wrong and must like this movie because I like it!
Fuck. Off.
We're at the "the customer is always wrong" stage of capitalism. Wheeeee
That's because everyone remembers that particular saying incorrectly, similarly to "a few bad apples," or "the blood is thicker than water." Everything and every saying is being twisted to mean exactly opposite what it should be to protect the pedophile capitalists that own everything.
Maybe so. It's too nice a day to get upset.
In this case the customers are giving an opinion in a matter of taste.
The blood thingy always meant what it means today:
Blood is thicker than water
No the fuck it didn't. That page is wrong. The full quote is "The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb." Meaning that you can choose your family as an adult, and should do so with care and consideration.
Ah, and your sources? Like they have on the Wiki page. Cause the usual source for your version is "this blog, where somebody wants to sound smart"
My grandmother, as well as The Gospel of Thomas, IIRC. It's somewhere in The Apocrypha, I remember reading it in Catholic school
So is nvidia's plan to just not have any market share in a few years?
When the AI bubble pops they're going to need someone to buy their stuff again. Perhaps pissing everybody off isn't the best long-term strategy. But what do I know I'm only their target demographic.
They'll just force remote computing on everyone. They'll find a way to milk this further.
No. They force us to like their slop to keep their mouths full of shareholder-dicks to get more of that thick and juicy shareholder sap.
And they'll keep being wrong. But that's ok, flat earthers still exist too.
That's been the line they have pushed for at least three decades now. It didn't seem to be hurting them until rather recently, when it started affecting the larger software world.
Same with DLSS 1, in a few years people will like it.
Probably... not? I'm not sure anymore, about it but i think everything is going to look the same in some years with this tech and we, gamers, are becoming more and more aware of our power to turn the tides so, our hate could bury the sloppy part of the tech. EPIC CEO thought the same (in some years people will love me) with the epicstore and people mostly still hate it even with 100 free games in their account.
Gamers are not the primary market for GPU anymore. Its AI sadly. So they get away with shit like that...
DLSS has no application in AI, though, so that point is not really valid here.
Its a sideshow, a marketing gag, and they get way with shitty marketing because another industry buys their stuff anyways. I don't see where that is not a relevant or valid argument.
There's absolutely no application for DLSS 5 for anything other than gaming
I'm increasingly happy my hardware is a generation behind and incompatible with this shit.
Same, I have a 3090 that's a secondary card in my system used only for video rendering because of how well it processes with NVENC. All my gaming GPUs are AMD now.
This needs TWO 5090 to work, so even current generation is not enough.
To be fair who has two 5090s laying around to use this crap? This isn‘t so much a „generation behind“ thing and more of a „overpriced luxury toy for the top .01%“. There is no market for this. It‘s all smoke and mirrors.
Only one? I got a newish computer, but I use my old ibm Thinkpad with an i5 and igpu, plus my steam deck, way more than that thing for gaming. The Thinkpad is mainly for nostalgia and a forever, but oddly non nuclear, war in civ V.
I've heard a number of creators try talking about how this is a good thing actually and it is just misunderstood... And I've got to say: after it's come out that nvidia has threatened creators in the past... I really think it starts getting obvious who's still kissing the ring. This is some emperors new clothes shit.
If nvidia can't just make a better card anymore cool. No worries. Want to get into bed with the industrial military complex? Great. Message recieved. Want to overwrite an artists design with filters? Stay the fuck in your lane. You design chips that draw what they are told. If you can't do that right anymore then get out of our industry and make room for someone who can.
Todd Howard is slop-pilled. RIP elder scrolls and fallout.
If Starfield didn't murder everyone's hope for their future titles I don't know what will...
You think the Fallout 4 remaster would have done it as well.
I'm thinking we get AI-slopped remastered New Vegas and/or Fallout 3 next.
Right? Todd couldn‘t make a decent game anymore, let alone a decent looking game if his life depended on it. It‘s no surprise he embraces slop. He‘s exactly the type of guy to believe the hype.
That ship sailed with the 97th release of Skyrim.
Never bought anything from NVIDIA after the 1080ti and I feel real good about that.
Never bought anything from them after the 500 series lol. The last one that didn't give me any problems was a 1060 when I set it up for a friend, everything after that always had some nasty gremlins
I still occasionally use an old sli'd dual 260 gtx setup I inherited. It's hooked up to my "theatre room" (not rich, just have a multi purpose room with a projector and couch.).
That's fire, sli or crossfire anything is so nice to look at
Proceeds to explain exactly what everyone hates about it.
Gotta let the man take a shot at the crown...
"The consumers don't know what they want. I, the CEO, know what the consumers want. And the consumers want to give me money!"
None of this is done for the average consumer/gamer. We're not the consumers he's addressing.
DLSS is a consumer product.
"Do you guys not have two GPUs?"
Jensen Huang has all the GPUs, he can probably play games where each character has its own dedicated GPU and every atom and molecule of the environment is rendered in real time with a hyper-realistic physics engine, with built-in AI that plays for you so that even your idle pastimes are automated giving you more time to WORK AND PRODUCE VALUE FOR THE OWNER-CASTE.
"This game only needs two GPUs to run, what's the problem?"
The more you buy, the more you save!
It's one thing to defend AI slop; but my god, why does his answer sound like AI slop?
CEOs have all sounded the same for years now. Add in LLM talking points regularly and they all sound like robots with a broken speech unit
hes the source of all the hype.
These people are likely conversing with AI daily... If you talk to AI a lot... It'll rub off on you. At least that's my guess from a neuroscience perspective. It's like the hive mind effect, basically.
AI just regurgitates what it's trained on.
Where do you think it comes from? Who do you think is the ceo grand captain of that shitship?
That's Sami-correct... They don't really regurgitate as much as they hallucinate/bullshit. Which... Verbatim regurgitation would probably be preferable. Like, how many answers (however wrong or right) do you need? I would love an AI that didn't bullshit and would just give a simple correct (or even consistently wrong) answer and isn't going to change that based on how you 'prompt engineer' it. But that's probably asking too much.
maybe he is an AI clone,
So this dumb fuck’s own marketing material has said this operates off final pixel colour and motion vectors (for temporal stability presumably) - that says to me that it’s not working with actual geometry info at all. It probably has a step to infer geometry but it’s still just a fancy Instagram filter working with limited data and an obviously ill-suited training set.
the previous versions at least need the software to supply motion vectors. otherwise it's just guesswork. i'm assuming there will be some way to supply lighting information as well.
whatever the final product can do, they certainly didn't show it off in their examples.
Technically, at least on vulkan, these things can be inferred or intercepted with just an injected layer, though it’s not trivial. If you store a buffer history for depth you can fairly accurately compute an approximation of actual (isolated) mesh surfaces from the pov of the view. But that isn’t the same as real polygons and meshes that the textures and all map to… pretty sure you can’t run that pipeline real time even with tiled temporal ss. Almost definitely works on the output directly, perhaps some buffers like motion vectors and depth for the same frame that they’ve needed since dlss2 anyway. But pretty suspect to claim full polygons, unless running with tight integration from the game itself, even then the frame budgets are crazy tight as it is, nevermind running extra passes on that level
Probably not meshes since it is way too expensive. But these guys write the GPU drivers, so they of course have access to the different frame buffers and textures buffers and light source data. So just from depth and normal map data you can get a good representation of geometry. Like deferred rendering lights the scene with the data in the G-Buffer, which is 2D, not geometry.
Oh, thanks for pointing that out.
Ignoring that current version looks sloppy, as a gamedev I would accept extra AI beautification post processing step as additional feature, but I would never accept corporation getting their hands into my beloved geometry.
That's what he's saying. That it doesn't change the geometry or textures (still completely controlled by the devs) and that the parts that it does change are also tunable by the devs.
He's responding to the backlash about how it changes models/textures (which it doesn't) by saying those are still fully in the hands of the devs and the parts people are seeing in the demos can be fine tuned by the dev teams to match their vision for what they want it to do or not do (like change lighting on material surfaces and hair but not character faces as an example).
It’s a post-processing screen space effect. At that point, there’s zero control the game can have over the geometry. If the AI model wants to change it, it can. It fundamentally can’t only operate on lighting like the marketing claims, it can only make a hallucinating best-effort statistical guess at what the geometry in the final image should be.
Strong principal Skinners energy. "Does nobody want my AI slop filter? No, it's the gamers who are wrong."
Principal Skinner is lovable and charming though...
By the amount and intensity that this man tries to sell his garbage through sheer bluff and bs you’d think he’s running to be President someday.
Don’t give him ideas
Achievement unlocked: Whoever is wealthiest gets to be President.
WHAT HAVE I DONE !?!?!?
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Surely this is just a marketing stunt they pulled in the hopes of temporarily pumping share prices or something? Despite their claims that it can be optimized before release, I think there is basically no way they get it running at playable frame rates without a second dedicated graphics card on current gen hardware. They're going to release it with terrible performance, promise to improve it, a few people who have dual 5090 setups will try it but almost everyone will ignore it, and the promised optimizations will either never materialize or they'll be much less impactful than promised.
He seems to be thinking of it as basically a post-processing effect, but it's certainly the least performant one ever devised. Even if it's true that the art teams can tweak it to get exactly the effect they want, I find it hard to believe they'd ever be able to get it running on the hardware they're targeting, so it will just be an expensive novelty for games that want to promise the most bells and whistles.
Edit: Wait I just saw this,
What is he on about? Surely it's not really mucking around with stuff earlier in the rendering pipeline? That would make it completely different from all previous versions of DLSS, why would they call it DLSS 5? I don't think he understands how it works at all.
It's definitely a stunt for share-holders, not directed at consumers.
Generally if the CEO says it, it's for the shareholders.
Their marketers are salivating at the thought.
Weird to say it changes geometry when all the vids clearly have identical geometry before and after
I'm tired boss
Still on a 1660ti and probably will be for the foreseeable future lol.
RX590 reporting in for the 'never able to upgrade' squad...
GTX 760 🫡
It's "super clocked" so you know it's good!!
Lol mine's the MSI 'Fatboy' edition. It has a 50% bigger heat sink, so I can't use the PCI port below whichever slot it's in. 😂
Repurposed my 750ti in my homelab server lol. That poor thing is also likely not gonna rest any time soon.
Don't you guys have phones?
Same exact vibes.
But we thought everyone was okay with repackaged interpolation! Why not repackaged Instagram filters!?
I think most people are ok with frame gen because it doesn't touch the actual content. It just moves things around a bit with motion vectors which actually was kind of a thing even before AI although not very good. It didn't repaint the game into some different art style.
Also there were real frames in there.
This is going to 100% replace the game graphics.
Naw most people are not ok with fake frames, and like raytracing is getting less and less likely to be left on. Most people however hate fake frames not due to the frames themselves but the motion blur effect that seems to be needed to make things look ok on top of the frame gen (no one likes motion blur).
You are right that this is going to replace game graphics to some degree since its another shortcut game studios can use to cut costs (and the industry is kinda struggling at the moment). Why spend effort, time and money making a model look good when you can use a tool to gloss over the work and while it does not look "good" per say it will look better then it should.
Yep, I'm more suggesting that this was the logical path they would have continued down.
I personally don't like the generation because it's functionally noise and can effect the feel / responsiveness of the game. Upscaling seems pretty reasonable - but like many I just can't abide by the notion that we are counting a generated frame as a frame for benchmark sake.
I'm not against framegen existing. It's a preference. Same as that feature on TVs. To each their own.
Back to the new dlss though: yeah it was inevitable they go here... and I'm personally thrilled this was the line everyone more or less took issue with.
Remember, he's never talking to us, he's talking to major stockholders.
Even some of those can read the room and reach the conclusion that "if people won't buy it, I won't make profits"
But guys, did you hear that it's generative?
ROFL This means we are in fact correct in our assumptions and Jensen Huang is seething, trying to make AI Slop Lookscursing fetch. It will never be fetch Jensen...Sorry sweetie!
Calling it now: Jensen Huang's mind has been emptied and replaced with AI chips. That's why he just spouts AI generated nonsense.
"My shoes are fine, it's everyone else that smells like dog shit."
Sorry folks, did you think Nvidia executives were focused on faster more efficient chips or engineering cheaper more reliable manufacturering processes? Nope, it's poor quality AI all the way to the horizon for them.
Oh, and truly dumb looking I'll fitting jackets to boot
Well they'd have to focus on more efficient chips if they want people to use this feature because no sane person is going to shell out two 5090s to run the slop generator.
This makes me even more sure of my decision to get an AMD card as my next GPU (currently I have an RTX 4080 so it's still a long time until that happens but still).
Just a reminder that AMD is also just another money hungry corporation that would sell gamers out to AI. Don't forget that AMD just put a 20% stake of their company and output in a AI partnership with Meta.
That said, I also bought a 9070 XT a year ago because I didn't want to directly support Nvidia and their never ending quest to force AI into games, which this kind of at least provided some justification for that as I don't support AI Only Fans being injected into my games. Steam already has enough of those types of games without direct AI injection.
That's why in rooting for a small mom and pop competitor to the space, like checks notes ... Intel.
We're fucked aren't we?
Which is also now 5% Nvidia!
Dude, that card will survive the bursting AI bubble, world war 3 and then some. You can easily use that card for the next 15 years.
Probably, but please don’t call me dude.
Right there with you. Have a 4080, and only reason I got this one, was because it was cheaper(by a sizable chunk) than the 7900xtx when I got it.
Every time I got an AMD card I got burned, so that's not really an option. Last try was a 5700 XT and oh my god was that a pain. So much so that instead of my usual 4-5 year upgrade cycle I grabbed a 3080 one year later.
Nowadays DLSS is a must for me, it just looks so much better than TAA. FSR is alright, but not great.
I guess lemmy is big enough for shills now.
Big enough for baseless "shill" accusations, lol
Meh, I've owned an ATI 4870X2, GTX 580, GTX 970, 5700 XT, 3080 and now 5080.
Also helped out friends with their GPUs, 2070 Super, 6800 XT (which have a really shitty fan curve at stock).
The 5700 XT had the worst drivers of the bunch. Crashes, stuttering, .. AMD managed to fix most issues with time, but not all.
Nvidia drivers early this year were shit too, but at this point they are great again. I don't care about the brand, I only care about my PC running well.
You do know the games themselves generally choose the type of anti-aliasing used right? Your graphics card doesn't run anti-aliasing ontop of everything else.
???
Of course the game developers choose what to put into their games. Some games have FXAA, TAA, DLSS, FSR and even XeSS.
With an Nvidia card you can use them all. With AMD you can't use DLSS.
Not sure what your last sentence means, of course your GPU runs AA?
Trillions invested to make unoptimized games barely run, and make it look worse at the same time, instead of just investing like 1/10th into optimization during dev cycles.
NVIDIA really is like a parasitic cancerous growth on the side of the games industry, it's existence increasingly predicated on the destruction of current standards, overtaking their function to ensure survival and it's continuous ever expanding cancerous growth
Hey nvidia gamers, don't turn it on. Thanks. - sincerely everyone else.
It's so demanding that it needs two RTX 5090 GPUs to run, I don't think it's really anything except AI hype to keep the bubble inflated a little longer
Wait, is that real? I thought the entire point of previous versions of DLSS was to get "better" performance out of "less" hardware? I had suspicions that running every frame through an AI image generator wasn't going to be an improvement to performance, but that's even worse than I was expecting.
Yeah, DLSS 5 is a big departure in that regard. Here's a source:
Jesus christ... A second top of the line GPU just to run the AI slop filter is one hell of a deluded announcement. I kinda feel bad now about all that hate Blizzard got for announcing a diablo mobile game.
They say that they're gonna optimize it to run on a single GPU, but I'm extremely skeptical about how well that'll perform. Honestly, I think this announcement is aimed more at investors than gamers, to keep the AI hype train rolling.
Do you guys not have $10k to blow on GPUs? /s
„No, no! You‘re wrong because…“
And then this charlatan goes on to explain why we‘re right. It‘s exhausting to listen to these gilded clowns.
And they're gilded in the wealth they've fleeced from their workers and their normal, individual consumers.
Prancing and jeering for the AI companies they've sold and shackled themselves to.
STOP BUYING NVIDIA
i feel like we might as well drum up som boycotting spirit while we're at it. Shaming certainly has an effect as evidenced by his statement here, and if we could add to that a collectivist 'no more money for you doofus' energy i think that'd be swell.
We aren't their main customers anymore, and it would least force them to also aknowledge this themselves. Hopefully.
Idk folks, keep adding pressure on these ghouls, seems to at least have gotten their attention
STOP BUYING NVIDIA
Feels odd to say it but suddenly I'm happy Intel didn't (completely) shit the bed.
I never understood why everyone was completely happy with one manufacturer having dominance. Everyone seem to think it was just ok for them to be no competition in the market. Here is exactly why we need that competition.
Exactly. The more compititon the better. Imagine what we'd get if nvidia was split into 3 new companies and had to compete. 5 total companies suddenly would be very motivated to make a substantial product to bring to market at a competitive price. We as consumers need this diversity to keep the market honest and moving forward.
Unfortunately social media users who post are not the average gamer and that's very apparent when 95% of the discrete GPU market is Nvidia now.
Plus doesn't help the only other two competitors is AMD who are also jumping on the AI bandwagon and doing not actively competing. Then there's Intel that's in bed with Nvidia now.
I gave them.up in 2020. The measurable difference between them and AMD didn't warrant the expenditures, and neither did Intel. Absolutely no issues since.
Would have to boycott pretty much all hardware. I don't know of any large hardware manufacturer that's not chasing the AI investment money and bribing the Trump admin.
Don't have to do anything, I'm just being vocal about certain feelings hoping others do the same. Boycotts don't work yadda yadda sitting on your ass also don't work bla bla..
in really not invested in what you decide to do at the end of the day, keep buying or don't or whatever suits your fancy... I can just feel this move tainting Nvidia and their products with an inherent 'ewww' reaction on my part which very strongly disentivises ever buying their shit, and I feel like it's generally good if people are honest about how they feel about phenomena in general, that's how shared sentiments, zetgeist and 'common sense' is created u know
Fair enough. I was just trying to point out that the entire hardware industry, and pretty much the entire executive and investor class is doing the same stuff as Nvidia.
Jensen is a dumb, out of touch motherfucker
Oh, he's very in touch.
With the AI money machine that keeps on printing money and that's all that matters this and any other CEO in today's world.
This is long winded but I firmly believe this explains a lot about the industries frenzied push into all these odd directions... All of it. Here seems as good as any place to dump this mess I've been stewing on:
I really think it's important that raytracing, while novel, wasn't created to improve visuals. It wasnt created to make a programmers life easier. It was created because it was computationally difficult and could be optimized for. It was a fantastic play by nvidia. They created a feature that functionally did very little but they could get an entire cycle ahead of the competition in that optimization. Differentiation of products, in a duopoly, is a big deal. Amd dove right into it - knowing full well that this would leave them brutally behind... But this was a fortuitous event: despite the disadvantage.
Why? Simple. GPUs have been struggling against Moore's law. Framerates were exceeding ranges even monitors can refresh at. And worse yet there was another hard limit: our eyes. How do you sell cards that have no perceivable value?
Reality is we may well be reaching a point where additional resolutions and framerates dont matter. Badly optimized games only buy so much time.
These companies aren't stupid. Crypto? They loved it. Computationally expensive. Always need faster... Until we didnt. What now? Demand was plummeting for overpriced high end cards.
Go back and look at when AI and nvidia got in bed. The earnings call was due to be a bloodbath after all these cards were rotting on shelves, unpurchased, and depreciating daily. It was coming ro light that they had been selling cards to miners under the table and that was going to get ugly fast. I have never, in my life, heard a company talk so much about a product on a earnings call -- that wasn't theirs. Not a word breathed about unsold cards barely any numbers discussed. ChatGPT referenced so many times that there was confusion as to whether nvidia actually owned it. The Q/A at the end was comedy gold. People were so confused.
AI was the perfect save. AI is a power virus. Want to fix the black box? Train a black box to mangage that black box. Its a computational sinkhole. They've extracted value from gamers to dimishing returns. Meanwhile they can sell the ultimate snake oil to investors: virtual slave labor. Unpaid workers. In floods private equity. Gamers stopped mattering immediately. All of these advances are software. From a GPU design company. Why? It shuts up the peasants while they continue rebranding the "snake oil" to get whoever is buying. Weve nearly achieved the panacea. Just a bit longer!
Behold: we have dressed our industry in the finest of the emperors newest clothes. You can either start selling them or be the only one who doesn't.
🫧
From a programming and visuals standpoint: Ray tracing was always sought after, and it is peak graphical fidelity. It makes visuals better, and (shader) programming easier, more physics-based. It's not just differentiation, the industry has been dreaming of realtime ray-tracing for 30 years. With slow, continuous movement in that direction.
Dont get me wrong. Its absolutely a very novel and useful feature. It made shit look great. I'm not down on the tech: I'm just saying the push for it wasn't for the industry. It was to kill framerates and sell cards.
I doubt it. This thing was in the pipeline for decades. It wasn't just nvidia doing the thing because moore's law. Everybody was interested and excited, while the moore's law was alive and well. Literally can't find better quality, but intel was pushing tech demos such as this.
The actual push for adoption and walled garden of NV RTX is.... honestly, just business as usual. Nvidia did exact same with PhysX. Once they have the technological edge, they push hard to pump their ecosystem. They always played evil.
It is good business. Shit for the consumer (unsurprising) ... But really aside from Jensen's apparent ego - I'm curious why nvidia has any interest in the gaming sector. I feel like they accomplished the perfect transition.
Jensen is a useless deflated wenis sack of a man. This ai arms race is doing nothing but hurting the fabric of humanity and more importantly, further increasing the rate of environmental destruction. :(
This is so true, very sad ...
I am not buying anything from Nvidia anymore. Who does he think he is to judge our opinion?
I LOVE seeing AI-related CEOs come out and say stuff like this.
This is not something you come out and say publicly when you’re confident in your product and genuinely believe it stands on its own merits.
I don't care what Jensen says.
He can eat a bag of dicks
That man has drank so much koolaide, he would probably implode of he stopped.
That dude is the koolaid
Ah yes, the guy who has never touched a controller in his life knows best what's good for video games.
Fuck nvidia
Slop Wars - DLSS awakening.
My main problem is that, even if the technology were to work exactly as advertised, for the first time, PC gaming is moving to an era where our games no longer look the same.
We've all seen how every previous version of DLSS worked. The promise of lowering system requirements of high resolutions caught enough attention to draw a crowd, game devs used it to increase the system requirements for lower resolutions instead, AMD and Intel had to develop their own different implementation to stay competitive, and lots of mainstream gaming now requires DLSS and the like on all but the most expensive cards (sometimes even then).
The tech will get better. It always does. Whether that improvement will come fast or slow doesn't really matter. I think most points of controversy will fade as we're starting to see this applied to new games. After all, if a game were to be developed knowing that it would be using DLSS 5, the argument that artistic intent will be violated will hold less strength. If DLSS 5 were to ruin the artistic intent of a ground-up DLSS 5-developed game, it wouldn't be shipped. Future titles being "DLSS 5+-mindful" and future improvements to the AI used should get the technology working ever closer to the vision that is being advertised today.
But when that starts to happen, the story will play out exactly the same as it always has for DLSS. It creates results that are "good enough", so game devs move their development resources elsewhere. Then some management layer catches onto this tech, and finds out that they can just take these resources and move them right into their personal paycheck. End result is games that look generations old and barely run unless you use DLSS 5. By then FSR and XeSS will have to follow suit; if they don't, AMD and Intel will have the cards that are not only comparatively featureless and weaker, but also produce uglier visuals. But because these generative AI models will never be the exact same between these manufacturers, the output will also never be the same.
And then we move to the weird reality where games look different on different cards, and driver (or, in the case of consoles, system) updates could fundamentally change what games look like, independent of developer input (turns out that artistic integrity can still end up in jeopardy, huh). And unlike with the current AI upscalers we have, where there is a ground truth for the result and we can always obtain it with better hardware, DLSS 5-developed games will always have to rely on it for their "fancy effects" (read: looking like something other than a GameCube game in 2030).
That's my problem with DLSS 5
Games have had graphics settings for quite some time
And the only setting that will look the same across hardware and driver versions is dlss off, which I think was their point, what is yours?
Your comment is so asinine that I'm going to assume you're Jensen Huang. Go home Mr. Jensen, we don't need you here. Go spend some time with your family.
Gamers could collectively boycott NVidia cards and it would barely make a dent in their bottom line. It’s time for gamers to show nvidia that they are unequally important to us as we are to them
I haven’t bought a nvidia card in over a decade. Start buying APUs, handhelds, or just keep your current card and turn the graphics down or start playing your backlog. And for the love of god don’t pay for GeForce now.
I've said this before, and I'll say it again.
Nvidia is destroying gaming.
They started the destruction with the idea of 4k gaming.
When they realized native 4k gaming wasnt going to be feasible.. They knocked gaming to the ground and started kicking it in the ribs with this upscaling bullshit, because who doesnt love a 1080p picture shittily stretched to 4k?
And they curb stomped it by making video cards cost more than what most people make in a fucking month.
and they're beating its unconscious body with bats over this DLSS5 AI obsession bullshit.
and at every step of the way, the gamers were there to deliver dumptrucks of money because they don't give a fuck about ruining everything as long as they can have their new shiny. Being in the cool kids club by having a new shiny is more important than the havok they are wrecking with their decisions to support this shit.
But don't worry..They'll still go online and cry about the unfairness of it all.
and AMD is desperately trying to play catchup so they can try to steal a sliver of the bullshit pie as well, before someone tries to point out me not addressing AMD (since its not the topic), or try to hail it as the saviour of gaming kind.
Well 4k gaming was always going to happen for high-end hardware, they just pushed faster adoption to sell more cards. It's only now starting to be ready without DLSS.
It does suck indeed, though. I'm quite happy with 1440p and my next card, whenever I can actually afford and justify the upgrade, will allow me to reach 120 fps more easily, without DLSS.
I have a 4k monitor at 60hz and a 2k at 90. The 2k is an easy immediate choice for anything outside of 4x(sweet, sweet ui real estate).
I do know what you mean, but 4k means 4k vertical lines (nearly) and your 1440p screen has 2.5k vertical lines, so while some manufacturers get it wrong, it's not actually a 2k monitor. 2.5k would be more appropriate, as 2k is pretty much 1080p :)
Yeah I just use marketing terms out of laziness
Meaning that we are right.
Seems like, based on his own words, that gamers were absolutely right about DLSS 5. At least as far as I can tell.
We don't want GenAI horseshit in games.
So- this would potentially render in-game cosmetics useless. You could just DLSS some cosmetic over your character for 'free' and skip paying for in-game cosmetic items. You could retexture or skin a model into something else with this tech, theoretically.
Heck, this could be a banned feature for online competitive games if you DLSS enemies to be easier to see.
Non-gaming applications of such tech are kinda frightening, but good to be aware of the possibility. AI swapping of characters has been something they've been working on. I'm guessing it will be sold as some kinda feature where you can give the AI some model of yourself, and it swaps the main character of a show or movie for your likeness. People will find it neat and try it and it will sorta work, but mostly just be a novelty. Then you'll see that data get used for advertising, where they swap out the character in the Ad for you to catch your attention. If they try to catalog every person, this could be valuable and used to maliciously scam people by cloning your voice to mimic you and do all sorts of terrible things.
I imagine in a few years after some major scams and such that we'll need some new verification systems to try to ensure that transactions are between real people and not just AI with your information. Yes, it will be intrusive and tracking, but will be required to maintain online commerce. Online marketplaces will struggle and possibly collapse without some way to authenticate a transaction. Hey, we may see a return to physical stores and doing everything in person again!
Wouldn't this be implemented by the game itself? Or are they letting people use it on whatever they want? I honestly haven't researched too much because I won't be using it anyway.
Just think, between that and DOGE nerds having you info, you might as well have no identity. We might as well all be black boxes.
Speaking of slop....does Huang, "the wang", have only one leather jacket? Isn't that weird? Is he trying to brand like the Jobs turtleneck?
"As ive explained, this is what consumers want. And I want Nvidia stock to go well."
Gamers love to hear that.
Oh no, did the dirty peasants hurt you itty bitty ego, mister boo-ang?
He taking his lead from the piece of orange shit in the White House?
Ah fuck, more generative AI!
"No, actually, you're completely wrong!"
OK...? Then what is it?
"It's generative AI."
Oh the guy trying to sell us the pail of vomit says its actually great? Huh.
Course he did
"It fuses the controllability of the geometry and textures and everything about the game with the uncontrollable and unpredictable element of generative AI!"
Angsty Asian Fonzie still jumping the shark.
Of course he says that. Hes bought all in on the ai delusion
It's classic Nvidia hype vs. community skepticism. Huang's defending the tech's architecture, but the eye-test on those previews is what sparked the "AI slop" memes in the first place. We'll have to wait for hands-on in actual titles to judge if it's revolutionary or just another overreach. What do you think, worth turning on if it's optional, or are you in the "keep the hand-crafted art pure" camp?
This is a two day old account.
Yes, it's a two day old account doesn't mean, I can't speak when I'm supposed to, Dose it.
Or did your account eloped to how it is now?
I'm glad that I already have all the games I like in my library for years now and none of this bullshit matters to me
[insert that meme of a cat peeking behind a snow bank going "wtf they're doing over there" or something]
Last time I was blown away by graphics was when I started up my brand new Xbox 360 and played Bioshock and was like "whoooa, reflections, water effects, whoooa". Everything since has been a mild gradual improvement.
In fact, I expect this stuff to be mild improvements you can barely notice unless you're specifically looking for it. Don't make it big and don't stir drama, Nvidia.
And just about the last thing you want to tell people is "you know what, we're doing a giant leap here, you'll better buy new hardware now." ...In this fucking economy.
Do you “tune” it just like you tune agents now? Where you feed them a prompt and hope the stupid thing listens?
It's a way of saying that devs have control over how it's applied. But given examples are just bad - model changing the shape of lips and eyes is all too familiar to anyone who toyed with stable diffusion.
He didn't say anything different from what "gamers" have been accusing the tech of...
May every tech office and chip fab in the Middle East meet Iran's drones and missiles
From what Nvidia's showing (and what Huang emphasized in that Tom's Hardware Q&A at GTC 2026), DLSS 5 is pitched as "neural rendering" or "content-control generative AI." It uses the game's existing 3D data (motion vectors, scene semantics like hair/skin/fabric, lighting conditions) as grounded input, then the AI infuses photoreal lighting, materials, and enhancements while staying consistent frame-to-frame. Devs get tools to fine-tune intensity, color grading, masking, etc., so they can dial in how much "photorealism" gets applied without losing their artistic intent
Wow, that's an even longer way, even more so than the CEO defending his AI Slop, actually slightly impressive in a corporate sub way, to say AI Slop.
Don't bother. Lemmy is host to an irrational, angry mob. There's plenty of good reasons to be angry but the mob is hyper focused on any form of machine learning because they can't understand it, and that breeds fear, frustration and anger faster than the the easily understandable institutes of corruption actually enslaving them. AI is a big, easy target - it will continue to be hated until the generations that hate it die out. Same as happened prior with the Internet, phones, and even cars.
Although, there's a FuckCars community, so maybe the mindset will cling on by adherents perpetuating their hate beyond their lifespans. Just like racism.