ICE Shoots Minneapolis Observer in the head
I don't even know what else to add to this headline. This is so fucked up and tragic scary and infuriating and it will in no way slow the resistance.
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Horrifying
ICE is almost forcing citizens to carry guns wherever they go. Civil war could be back in play.
It's almost like the president is a Russian asset installed to split the country
Psh if you believe that just because they wrote it in a book and have been caught doing it multiple times then you're just an unfortunate victim of western propaganda.
/s if that wasn't obvious
On Lemmy, yes. On Facebook, not so much.
Idk I have accidentally stumbled into the wrong side of Lemmy where I was accused of being a liberal and banned for sharing Foundations of Geopolitics.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sounds like you wandered into ml
Unfortunately it was not, it was lefty memes on dbzer0.
Show of hands if you've ever been baselessly accused on Lemmy of being a liberal as if they go around beating up puppies.
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Which book?
I assume this one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
That's the one!
One of the Michael Wolf ones maybe?
I don't think I can blame Russia. It feels so American made. It feels like American culture. American culture was fucked before trump. It seems more like america fed running a coup to help put modern surveillance in place.
...and the surveillance is basically already their but tasked by 3rd parties.... And the government wants to officially put it in place... But the people wouldn't allow it... So they resort to this.
Yeah, it's almost like that...
He absolutely is. It’s clear as day.
"Every bad thing that ever happens in my utopian slave state is because of Russia. There is no way, that an american will ever do something against our most beautiful country without being a foreign asset."
Moscow Mitch McConnell… tulsi gabbard repeated Russian propaganda so much she got out in charge of handling it.
While I do agree that the US did this to themselves, it is still obvious that Russia fully supports useful idiots in every country around the globe, to split and weaken the countries. In the US, it was Trump, in Germany it's the AfD. It is interesting to me that it's almost exclusively Nazis that betray their own contries because they love their ssugar daddy Putin so much.
Yea it’s not well documented and incredibly obvious at this point, going back 15+ years. There’s no paper trails to follow or video evidence or military analysis on the topic at all. Totally made up. Comrade
Guns only work if you use them
To date, Americans still seem unwilling to fight back in a militant sense
I don't think pacifists should be arming up and shooting anyone. I think people who cling to their guns and talk about fighting for freedom need to nut up or shut up (and I'm fine with the latter, just shut up already).
I think this is naive. Violence is an incredibly effective tool at degrading organizational capacity, destroying institutional memory, and quelling public opposition.
When you're dealing with ICE agents who can cavalierly execute civilians in public, I would love all three of those things to befall them, because I don't want an organization with the capacity, the knowledge, and the public platform to execute my neighbors.
But insurgent violence comes with enormous personal risks, it requires professional training, and it rarely produces tangible results in a single lifetime (especially the lifetime of a militant insurgent). So I'm certainly not going to ask people to stick their necks out.
I just get tired of people posting TikToks in Camo Cosplay, pretending they're part of some Last Line of Defense Against Tyranny. You're bad liars. No serious person takes the 2nd amendment seriously as a political deterrent.
The systems are the people. And when you kick out a lynchpin - be it MLK or Charlie Kirk - that system can fail.
We've got people being rammed in their cars and shot gangland style through the windows.
Delta Force is snatching foreign presidents while the sitting president dismisses the need for next year's local elections.
You can only waggle your finger saying "It could get even worse" so many times.
I general strike would be a good first step. It would be very painful and risky given how many folks live paycheck to paycheck and how we have almost no social safety net, but it’s safer and more realistic than everyone trying to go full Rambo or Red Dawn.
Remember at the start of COVID when we didn’t know how it spread and people were disinfecting their groceries and the feds and the bosses wanted everyone to keep working? It was only when the flight attendants threatened to strike and shut down air travel that they finally relented.
Thank you for the kind thoughts. It’s been pretty rough lately. Try to keep your head up :)
Further proof the second amendment is not actually useful for preventing an oppressive government.
Just absurd to call it a "right" when nobody seriously believes the police will honor it. Less a civil liberty and more an excuse to ventilate your skull in a frenzied panic of gunfire.
The civil war already started. We are currently losing badly.
One side is trying to convince themselves that we’re not in a civil war and just an election away from getting everything back to normal. We’ve been in a cold civil war for at least a decade and it’s getting hot.
Cars are weapons. And you get a slap on the wrist instead of years in jail.
If you kill a cyclist or minority pedestrian that is
While I agree, I don't see how she would have been better off if carrying. In the end, if we all have guns, more of us are going to die than them. That said... I am thinking that getting a weapon if you can afford it, and afford to store it securely is a good idea.
They didn’t say “get out of here” they said “get out of the car. Get out of the fucking car”
Either way, they murdered her and will get away with it.
If the bystander misheard it, it's possible the driver did as well
I’m certain the driver was panicking and unable to process clearly. The DRIVER is not supposed to be the trained professional in this situation.
I just like to ensure accuracy because the people who agree with the police will seize any error to show why we’re wrong and the media is biased and blah blah blah.
It's also possible that they said "get out of here" just before the video started and then subsequently yelled "get out of the car". I never heard anything but get out of the car in the video that's making the rounds, but it's definitely possible the witness heard it before the video starts. And if that's the case, then they would've been giving conflicting orders, which I've seen happen in numerous encounters with police before.
Who murdered her? Some unnamed masked man?
Yeah, this is so fucked up.
When will centrists realize that this isn't a both sides thing?
I am disgusted and scared, fuck the center of this country that ignored these problems until they tore it apart.
If a "centrist" can't tell the difference between Nazi gestapo and people who just want to live their lives, they are indistinguishable from Nazis themselves and should be treated as such
Though the Nazis will certainly be able to distinguish between full throated Nazis and centrists, when it comes time for picking the new outgroup. It's part of why centrists annoy me so much — tolerance towards Nazis is literally a slow motion suicide
Because centrists are just republicans without the spine to admit it.
I mean... it is a "both sides" thing in the sense that there is a heavily armed paramilitary group with no oversight abducting and gunning down anyone they want. Doesn't matter how you voted or how many maga hats you buy, if they decide you are "an illegal" they'll toss your wallet away and load you into the back of a van.
Last summer (after this all got started) House Democrats voted to commend ICE
Sounds totally true and absolutely not like an astroturf comment
https://jonathancohn.medium.com/a-tale-of-two-resolutions-75-dems-join-gop-in-resolution-praising-trumps-mass-deportation-regime-15cf590770ea
Indeed, it's not as if Obama or Biden dismantled ICE when they took office. They are all part of the same machine.
ICE is a paramilitary death squad.
Centrist "independants" demanded respectability politics while centrist democrats turned a blind eye to the suffering of workers. Well its too damn late for the centrists, nobody is buying their policies of "infinite economic growth" and "sustainable but slow progress". Workers are rising up and its clear the only path to liberation is from workers unity.
Being "centrist" shouldn't mean "I support the republicans and democrats equally" it should mean "I can see the value in social and capitalist policies and think there is a middle-ground between them"
Anybody who claims to be a "centrist" and supports almost anything Trump's party is doing is not a centrist, they are right wing.
Capitalist systems are so existentially and catastrophically broken that in order to find a middle ground you have to turn off the rational part of your brain. Centrists cannot handle the implications of this so they consciously or subconsciously thought terminate back to "I support the republicans and democrats equally".
It's easy to hand wave and say, "the other people are idiots who never free think" it's harder to sit and rationalise why people that disagree with you might actually have valid things to say.
lol centrists arnt saying both sides, thats conservative speak.
Centrist here.
Fuck off with your anti-centrist bigotry and caricatured centrist views.
It is a both sides thing, because your fucking pussies of a Democrat party are showing what wealth hoarding, vote chasing cowards they are, by keeping their heads down and mounting zero opposition to your government being seized by a populist dictator. They are clearly not a viable alternative to this atrocity. We need to replace the whole two party, capitalism-corrupted system, not just ensure that your supposed "good guy party" wins the next election.
Being a centrist doesn't make me a milquetoast appeaser. It means I reject the dichotomy that the only alternative to this populism is more capital-first liberal greed.
Your view of centrists, casting them all as people who can't decide between the two obvious alternatives, rather than people who reject both, is the one thing that both the left and the right agree on. It's propaganda to keep one of the two extractive elites in power and prevent us from ever even discussing actual alternatives.
Same thing, for math lovers: if you take a 1D slice through a n-dimensional normal distribution of views, the more perpendicular a dimension is to yours, the less correlated they are, the more those views will tend to map to the center of the dimension you're insisting on, despite being actually just as distinct. It's your insistence on this 1D view that creates centrists, and your dismissal of them is propaganda to prevent real change.
lol fuck off centrist.
Assuming you're in USA, you do understand that there's only right and extreme right ? There is no proper representation for the center or the left over there. I hope you vote closest to your convictions though, as not voting is akin to voting for the elected party. "No vote" actually won the last elections, too bad "No vote" isn't a center party. You got extreme right instead.
Abolishing ICE is the moderate position. Anyone who doesn’t think that organization needs to be completely dismantled at minimum either needs to wake the fuck up or is a fascist.
after seeing this video, I am now of the position that every ICE agent should be attacked on sight
this is indefensible
A dozen armed individuals on ICE Watch in every neighborhood.
Every member needs to be publicly hanged at minimum. There are zero individuals in the organization worth keeping in society.
This is fascism.
People are dying. People will continue to die. I'm saddened and scared by what is happening
Unfortunately, even if we make it through this, a lot of people are going to die. Hell, a lot died already thanks to orange shit mussolini downplaying covid.
Idk what's scarier, masked federal agents executing Americans on the streets or Americans continuing to do nothing about it. They, as a people and a society, are okay enough with this to not go out of their way to stop it.
Ahhhh yes it's actually our fault! How silly of us! I live in rural Arkansas without enough money to buy gas to get to Minnesota, so please do tell what you expect me to do.
Inform people what happened, explain to the ones that you know will listen and understand how as welly why it's wrong. How ICE is serving as an internal terror organization within this country. Not everyone can go out shooting but make a meal for those who do kinda thing.
What makes you think I don't do all of those things? I'm just not out killing people and then dying myself so what's the fucking point right? Blood for the blood god!
I read Judge Karen Immergut's final ruling in early November that blocked the National Guard from remaining in Portland. Its main point was that the violence they were sent to Portland to quell did not exist in reality.
In other words, Portland avoiding violent resistance allowed the judge to kick out the National Guard. The courts are holding, and so is the military. It's taking time, but they are not all going along with this, and both the judiciary and the military are required for a successful coup. In reality he's losing power faster than he can consolidate it.
Don't be blinded by single events. That's what they want. If you do not want a fucking occupation of your city based on the lie that they are there to quell violence, then violence is not the correct response at this point.
Given that avoiding midterms altogether is the entire point of all this escalation -- Venezuela, ICE murdering citizens, all of it -- I will not judge anyone sane enough to avoid it for now.
I suggest you do the same. By which I mean "Violence should be avoided, but . . ." is not actually an anti-violence statement.
Aw yes. The only things that can be done are only in Minnesota.
anything you can, with anyone else who will. you want to know what doesn't help? doing nothing.
So many people act like it's no big deal to start a violent revolution against the most militarized government in history and it's fucking absurd.
not at all. but what it is, is necessary.
i know it's fucking crazy, but here we are. America has been taken over by fascists. They are not just going to leave. The suffering, for not just America but the world, will only get worse until the American public, the State governments, the military, do what needs to be done.
I'm sorry that America is at the point of Civil War, but it is. That fact isn't just going to go away. No one is coming to save America.
I honestly think, deep down, most Americans know this. But the reality of it, the shock of it, is just too great. The cognitive dissonance is too overwhelming.
WRONG. Becoming violent at this point is the single most idiotic, stupid thing we could do right now.
That's what this escalation is designed to provoke.
Do you really think the US government does not know how to deal with violent protests? It's what they want.
sure bud. good luck hugging your way to freedom while ppl die.
we all recall how historically fascism was defeated through hugs and jokes.
Americans doing nothing about it is far scarier. We all knew the first thing has been coming for decades.
A nation of savages that cant risk their own creature comforts to stop pedophiles and murderers. Remember that any one of them could be a mass shooter, they should be banned from entering other countries for nation security.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2026/jan/07/donald-trump-venezuela-greenland-oil-childcare-us-politics-live
This dumb bitch seems to think outright lying - when video shows a completely different story - is the way to go.
Using 1940s propaganda tactics when the internet exists
It's working. Republicans/MAGA are totally okay with anyone that doesn't like them being murdered. They're all enemies and should be approached as though they're dangerous.
MAGAts are a group of people you can fool all the time. Anyone else that isn't getting a boner for murder is likely to be appalled.
and 2020s internet is a shocking direct parallel to the nazi mass media mechanism in the 1930s and 1940s.
Russia's authoritarian playbook (which the current GOP administration is using) isn't about lying in an articulate way. It's about flooding the zone with excuses and lies such that the average person will choose to tune it out rather than to engage.
Can confirm. I've tuned it out. I can't anymore. I'm sorry. I choose happiness. It's pushing me further and further offline.
Offline? Good.
Complacent? Not good.
I'm sure that pointing out the narrative's glaringly obvious inconsistencies is going to land Russia in very hot water over the shoot down of that civilian airliner over Ukraine in 2014. Any day now. Any day now... Just one more "le epic debunk".....
I do think you're absolutely right. I know people doing exactly that — checking out — and it does seem like a common response. It is understandable, a lot of people just can't deal with all that garbage being firehosed into their faces, and the level of crazy ratcheting up through the ceiling. And that reaction of checking out is one of the intended effects of the strategy of "flooding the zone". Glad you pointed that out.
This is Trump's response 🤮
I mean, everything Some Fucking Idiot says is a lie, pretty much. But we absolutely know this one is a lie because there is no way he watched a video longer than five seconds that didn't include people shouting his praises.
Or molesting kids
He wasn't even touched by the car...
"Recovering in the hospital". What a fucking joke. Straight up 1984 telling you not to believe your lying eyes.
What a fucking clown fuck asshole
Disgusting... How deep America has sank...
Lol way too coherent to be Trump. Which sycophantic traitor wrote (or pasted from an LLM) this bullshit I wonder
So, I live here, it’s also 45 degrees today. I don’t think you can even get stuck in the snow today. Unless you’re not on pavement.
Not that the lies need to be pointed out, they’re obvious without that… but still.
That evil hag.
It's all she's got, so she's going with it, carefully reading the statutes, so she can make sure she hits all her bullet points.
Bottom line: This a manufactured murder, meant to inflame the citizens, and become a rationalization for Martial Law, and suspension of the Midterm election. MAGA cannot lose the House majority, or else Democrats will have investigative powers, with full subpoena and arrest powers. They are unlikely to squander the opportunity this time, like they did under Biden.
So MAGA almost have to stop the election, and this is the start of it. We have never missed an election in this country, not even during the Civil War, so suspending this one, at this point in our history must be a BRIGHT RED LINE. If he invokes Martial Law, and suspends the election, it's the end of American Democracy, and it's Civil War.
Yes. That's one of the most striking things I got from the video, that the murderer went from getting out of his SUV to shooting his gun in just a few seconds, as though that was what he got out of his car to do.Also, I have gun experience but not with automatics, so I don't know enough to say with certainty one way or another, but I did not see him disengage his safety, meaning that there is some non-zero chance he already had the safety disengaged when he got out of his vehicle.All of your points are excellent, and you're right. We HAVE to avoid violent response -- for now -- if we do not want to speed up the destruction of what is left of our democracy.
EDITED to correct myself: I watched the video again and the shooter was already standing toward the hood of her car; the individual exiting the SUV I referred to above was not the actual shooter.
somehow, the DNC i cant trust them to not squander it. they only ever use as a campaign talking point and then drop the issue once in power, thereby achieving nothing. Plus the donors are both parties will insure nothing will happen. the only way things will change if there is more aoc, or bernie types in congress, not AIPAC SHIlls.theres at least 13 democrats in senate that is up for re-election this year, chuck shcumer is trying to shield them by using 8 sacrificial lambs that arnt up for re-election.
Source?
For what? The fact that they'd have investigative powers? That's the Constitution.
That they are unlikely to squander the opportunity this time? That's personal speculation, but I doubt a Democratic House is going to sit still this time. They don't have a president in office to protect, for one thing.
Did you just wake up, Rip Van Winkle? These people don't care about "mechanisms." WTF? If he wants to suspend elections, he'll do it, make up some cockamamie excuse, and every MAGA will buy it.
All he has to do is declare Martial Law, and he can do anything he wants, or at least he will feel that he can, and he will exploit that illegitimate power mercilessly. When we're under Martial Law, suspending elections will be the least of our problems.
I was also predicting that he would definitely attack Venezuela for their oil, and plenty of people disparaged me for that, too, and here we are. I've taken a lot of heat for many of my predictions that have come true over the last decade. It seems that many people still don't believe that Donald Trump is far worse than we even know, and that however bad we think he might behave, he will always surprise us, and be worse than we expected.
He's already been "joking," multiple times, that he thinks they should suspend the Midterm. We have already seen many, many times, that's how he floats an idea in advance, getting people ready for it. He's going to try to suspend the Midterm Election. He has to. His life and freedom literally depends on it.
Elections are a state-managed process, and no Blue state is going to honor his suspension, and I'll bet quite a few Red states won't like it either, and defy that order as well. They have a lot more elections going on than Congressional Reps.
It will be an interesting and unique confrontation. And MAGA will likely lose the battle, and then they get desperate and dangerous.
Jfc I can't believe anyone still clings to this hope.
Must be under 30 and/or failed History class.
Are you even human?
To be fair, it is the result of domestic terrorism. But pretty much the opposite of the way she means.
Look at those Twitter comments watching a video of the guy literally throwing himself in front of a moving vehicle, and agreeing she tried to run him over. Nevermind that we have idea why they were even demanding it in the first place.
All available evidence suggests she's correct (about lying, that is ... it's never stopped any of her MAGA superiors).
So far she, and her orange boss, have been correct about that
ICE is a terrorist organization ran by Nazis
I'm literally shaking right now. This is my state. The video is horrible.
https://xcancel.com/i/status/2008961959731859757
God the fucking comments on that video saying she was trying to run him over and “she wasn’t obeying an LEO”.
You can see the shooters feet not in front of the vehicle between the legs of the guy grabbing the door as she starts to turn. He was not about to be run over.
The shooter had his gun drawn approaching the front of the car to be able to shoot her that fast. No one else had their gun out. Why? That fuckhead is trigger happy and ready to kill.
How do we know she wasn’t trying to get out of the way and we can’t hear if she was saying anything like “let me move first”.
Didn't deserve to be shot in the face. She was unarmed. Also looks really fucking guilty when the shooter covers their face and flees the scene.
I wonder if they will be "unable to find him" because of the mask. If they can "Identify" Luigi by his eyebrows they should have no trouble prosecuting this human trash.
This is supposedly a face picture.
Edit: this second photo was apparently AI.
What happened to the “no fatties” rule the fascists are pushing?
The nazis and fascists don't have a best to send.
I hope this scum rots in prison. Not holding my breath of course.
It’s not a matter of if they can prosecute it’s a matter of will. DHS is already claiming the victim was a domestic terrorist.
Every single person that supports the Trump regime after watching that video should be treated with the same contempt as Nazis.
This guy justifies the action to shoot on sight anyone armed while wearing mask.
I'd fear for my life and safety if I ever came across an ICE roadblock from now on. I'd feel unsafe stopping. Take that as you will.
What pissed me off, especially on places like Reddit, is the "no doxxing" rule. YOU CANT DOXX A PUBLIC SERVANT. Part of being a government worker is transparency and accountability. You can't hide behind anonymity.
The concept of doxxing goes way back before people tied their real identity to their online one. "Doxxing" or "providing documents" is the act of tying someone's real life identity to their anonymous one against their will. It is not identifying someone in public or using it to shield them from due criticism for their actions.
You can't do that with people who are supposed to be unmasked in the first place, and are legally required to identify themselves as government agents as part of their job. It's not "doxxing", it's basic fucking accountability and transparency.
When Luigi happened we knew everything about his life. This happens and we don't know who this asshat is. It's complete bullshit. Any outlet protecting this piece of shit when they would air the dirty laundry of me and you out for the whole world in a heartbeat needs to be blacklisted.
Edit: That fuckers name is Jonathan Ross. He murdered Renee Nicole Good. May he know no peace.
Not saying what the cop did was in any way justified, but a motor vehicle can absolutely be used as a deadly weapon. It happens plenty.
There are absolutely instances where using lethal force on a driver who's in possession of no other weapons is justified. This just isn't one of them.
Not a cop.
Same class traitor, different uniform.
No meaningful distinction.
Pretending for a moment that she was trying to run over ICE, killing her does not take her foot off the gas pedal.
As I said in another comment, at that speed and angle he’s getting a broken foot or leg at worst. This isn’t like when that other terrorist ran over Heather Heyer in Charlottesville in 2017. Or any number of the other vehicular based terrorist attacks where the driver was going fast.
He also put himself in that situation. Fuggin moron intentionally put his body almost in front of a vehicle, then continued to shoot at her while following the car.
He wanted an excuse.
He positioned himself so that the driver was made to look as if they were going to run him over. He could have easily stepped away and the gone after them later if they needed to stop them. This was so unnecessary.
My opinion is that he was trying to get to the driver’s side and she accelerated but did not see him. He had his gun out to threaten her and opened fire instead of getting out of the way because he’s just the type of thin skinned piece of shit ICE hires.
That's such a (US) American thing. "Someone coughed when the cop didn't order it? Deserves to be executed right then and there." I see it all the time in comments about killings like this and it never stops weirding me out.
And it very well SHOULD weird you out. I cannot understand the mental gymnastics these fuckheads do to feel okay about being a nazi.
I would absolutely not in any way want to exit my car for an ICE officer, or stick around.
Yeah probably why she was trying to GTFO. If they snatched her she could end up in CECOT for all she knows.
What's even worse, she was likely completely unaware of the shooter being there as she was focused on the guy trying to open her door after being told by another guy to leave.
One guy tells them to leave. Another gets his fweelings hurt by stuff the driver is saying. The third guy had gun drawn and safety off, ready to shoot. Like, wtf...
As a fellow MN resident, I'm right there with you. The trump gestapo needs to get the fuck out of our state!
They need to get the fuck out of the "people who breathe" group tbh.
The absolute least offensive person in their ranks is the worst racist anyone knows. So I'm fine with racism being a kil on sight offense, at least if they're wearing their robes- I mean uniforms.
You need to get them out of your state.
Yeah, notice how fast the shooter checked to make sure his mask was up and ran from the scene, didn't go after the vehicle. He knew what he did and ran.
What's that phrase "if you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide" (granted I hate that statement, just the irony of who did the shooting, who did the running, and who they likely support....)
Those comments 😬 Twitter is full of fucking fascists
Yeah, and the state is going to have to deal with the shitshow the Feds left for us too. It’s a mess. I was also literally shaking, pacing back and fourth, on the phone with a friend of mine.
Ice shot citizen for exercising constitutionally protected right
Meanwhile trump posted this, disgusting. How deep the USA has sank, my god
Hunt him down and hang him In front of city hall. Any Nazis in blue try to stop you, add them to the gallows.
These animals need to be put down, immediately.
Agreed wholeheartedly. Burn him at the fucking stake in the middle of town square.
I’m sure there’s a mountain of evidence to the contrary, but I feel like torturing him while he sobs for his life before ending it would both be cathartic and a stern message to the rest of these vermin (I can call them vermin because I am describing the views they willingly ascribe to, I’m not basing it on their ethnicity).
I’d sure feel better.
That was straight up murder.
@[email protected] : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Renee_Good
@[email protected] : https://www.startribune.com/ice-raids-minnesota/601546426
This is what we were afraid of. And it happened.
It happened in Minnesota of all places.
Vive la révoution
That was not "recklessness". Drinking milk after five vodka shots is recklessness. It was murder. You don't accidentally murder someone.
Police surround your car and they are trying to get in and you want to leave?
American police are allowed to kill you.
You surround a police car and you make them feel unsafe and they want to leave?
American police are allowed to kill you.
This is not tragic, it is outrageous. At least, it would be in any other country that considers itself a constitutional state. This is nothing less than murder on behalf of the state - there is no other way to put it.
I cannot understand how US citizens can still believe that they live in a constitutional state despite all this. Every day there are reports like this that undoubtedly refute this naive assumption.
What makes you think US citizens still believe they live in a constitutional state?
No one I know.
The fact that the current president is still in office. Or are you implying that you don't care about anything anymore?
A solid third of US citizens don't have the literacy to know what those words mean. They think it's okay for people in power to "just do stuff" because it's "their" party.
I'm not sure how the two things are related.
Realizing your country is fucked and overthrowing a government are two very different things.
I'm willing to bet you wouldn't be the first in line to sacrifice your life trying to overthrow the government if your country was in this situation.
You really are the best example of the American spirit...
You're more than welcome to come lead by example.
I have been noticing the increased anger with people's posts online, myself included. I just said yesterday that it feels like a tipping point and it's not gonna take much to start the riots. This event feels like a heavy hand on the scale pushing everyone over the edge. I hope it's not and we can continue the peaceful protests. But I don't blame anyone for taking a stand.
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
If I'm the jury for someone accused of doing anything to an ICE agent, you will not be found guilty.
Okay now stop saying it so you can actually make it through jury selection.
Don't forget to tell your fellow jurists about jury nullification, but definitely don't say anything about it when they're interviewing you for a juror position.
Anyone who agrees with this should not post that opinion online in a way that can be tied back to them. It can be used to remove you as a juror
I've come to the same realization, and I applaud you.
Protests can be peaceful and armed, FWIW. That’s what started the Black Panthers. People realized that unarmed peaceful protests got violently broken up… But heavily armed peaceful protests had cops politely watching from across the street.
Cops were more than happy to fire into crowds when everyone was unarmed. But the cost/benefit ratio suddenly changed when the entire crowd could return fire. A cop may be able to hit three or four protestors, and in an unarmed protest, the rest would quickly scatter and disperse. But when everyone was armed, the rest of the crowd could immediately return fire instead.
It’s also what started modern gun control laws. When lawmakers saw a bunch of heavily armed black people on their front porch, and saw cops unwilling to break it up, they got really fucking sweaty. So Ronald Reagan (yes, the same Reagan that conservatives put on a pedestal) and the NRA (yes, the same NRA that lobbies for looser gun control after school shootings) co-sponsored the Mullford Act, which was the most restrictive gun control bill the country had ever seen. It was literally the start of modern gun control laws.
This is what drove the Black Panthers underground, as the lawmakers and police worked to criminalize and track them, so they could kick down doors during dinner time, instead of busting up the peaceful protests directly. And we still see that tactic being used today, with police setting up cell phone trackers and facial recognition cameras at protests, and raiding suspected attendees’ homes days or weeks after the protest.
This wasn't just the Panthers, there were plenty of armed volunteers during the Civil Rights movement. I highly recommend "This Nonviolent Stuff Will Get You Killed".
Honestly I hope it is. We cannot continue wringing our hands while making snarky comments online.
With all the people that keep trying to run ICE agents over with their cars it's amazing that none of them have actually been hit yet.
If I thought I was going to die, my instinct would not be to whip out a pistol–it would be to get out of the way of the vehicle. In no world was this reaction justifiable, especially not by people in charge of serving and protecting. It's bullshit that this will be spun and forgotten by Saturday. You'll see MAGA celebrate like they did with Rittenhouse for the sane stupid things.
The governor and local officials dispute the federal government's version.
That's great. Now arrest the ICE agent for murder.
Literal gestapo. If you're stopped by ICE, treat it like a life or death scenario and respond accordingly. They will either shoot you in the face, put you in a torture camp, or deport you to a country you have no connection to.
Watched the video and then saw DHS statement.
Flagrant murder.
*edit to add link, thank you @CaptDust https://bsky.app/profile/danielsuitor.com/post/3mbtzlfajm227
Where is the video? They're already changing the story.
Here is one my sister just sent me
https://xcancel.com/i/status/2008961959731859757
Geez those comments are something else.
"she's clearly driving right at him, murder justified"
"She should have just stepped out of the vehicle when they told her to"
A vehicle is coming towards you. Do you a) step slightly to the side, or b) pull out a gun and shoot them four times in the face? If the answer isn't obvious to you then you're a psychopath!
What would she get for leaving her vehicle? ICE disappears people! If you're interacting with them it's already too late. As awful, terrible, horrifying as this is, it was probably a better way to go out than what would be waiting for her in their concentration camps. I'd be panicked trying to gtfo of there, too.
Those are some revisionist takes. You can clearly see her wheels turning right, away from the ICE thug.
Clearly, but they see whatever they want to / are told to see.
They're probably bots trying to poison the well
Some. And some are foreign bad actors. And some fall squarely in the center of that venn diagram. That's why I said 'told to'. Unfortunately though I have met and confirmed the existence of a great many people in real life who will tow the party like and repeat the talking points no matter what they've done.
I downloaded both of them from YouTube and reddit before they get taken down like on bluesky.
Anyone know where I can reliably post them that they will stay up?
hold it until mid-term election and if it goes our way maybe on youtube but if not just go on the fediverse and send it
NSFL, but everyone should see it. Murderer.
Edit- Bluesky is actively blocking and censoring the video.
First perspective @ https://lemmy.world/post/41292157
Second perspective @ /u/[email protected] has provided a private mirror, thanks. https://files.xvertigox.com/vertigo-archival/video/minneapolis-ice-shooting-26-01-08.mp4
https://bsky.app/profile/danielsuitor.com/post/3mbtzlfajm227 (Blocked or Deleted) https://bsky.app/profile/bnonews.com/post/3mbu2qnyz7c25 (Blocked or Deleted)
Second perspective: https://bsky.app/profile/drharmony.net/post/3mbu3ilb6cc2z (Blocked or Deleted)
Second perspective shows dude spent more time pulling his gun out than trying to get out of the way. Do not believe the "feared for his life" bullshit.
DHS is full of shit. Talking about how "injured officers are expected to make a full recovery". Fascists. How many people need to die before something is done.
They took down the first video
Bluesky is censoring it like crazy. Give this a go, independent hosted from another Lemmy thread.
https://files.xvertigox.com/vertigo-archival/video/minneapolis-ice-shooting-26-01-08.mp4
Another reason to NOT having an account in BullShit.
That link works but its the same as the 2nd video in the OP above. I was looking for the other perspective which I have not seen yet. It sounds like people are saying this one is a better angle anyway but I wanted to see both.
Either way, thanks for the additional link. I'm sure it will be useful for someone.
Second vid is the better perspective IMO, but /c/[email protected] has the first.
https://lemmy.world/post/41292157
Thanks, you're right, the other is a better angle.
Crazy shit happening in this country. God damn masked cowards murdering people in the streets.
okay this is the second time I've seen a blue sky post that says it's the video with a graphic tag, and no video
is this some shitter bullshit where you need to be logged in to see content?
It does look like the link and post have been 'labeled by moderation' and I don't see it now. The other link posted in this thread with another perspective seems to still work.
You have a setting for your account where you need to enable "adult media" or similar. If that is enabled, then you will be able to click the "Graphic Media" warning and the video will open. If you haven't enabled that then it doesn't give you the option to click to open.
Possibly. I'm logged into bluesky and have had no issue seeing the video as every 4th post in my feed for the last few hours.
Absolutely. Very sad day.
That's fucking insane! You can clearly see her turning away from the ICE thug too. He clearly wanted to kill her. This CANNOT stand!
It was a straight up murder by a trigger happy cop who was told they are immune to any prosecution by the president of the united states.
ICE is going to start murdering thousands of us and none of them will be held accountable. It's terrifying that ICE is a bunch of proud boys and fascists with a thirst for blood. We are all in trouble and all of us risk dying just going out to the store if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I wrote and deleted a comment multiple times. I am convinced that violence is the only ethical option left to us. Every member of ICE and every Republican is a mass murderer and must be treated as such. No more amnesty for murderers, despots, fascists, or their supporters. They must be held accountable for their horrors and we cannot afford to wait. The world cannot afford to wait.
The murderer will definitely get away with it. There will be more ICE agents doing the same thing, emboldened by this incident and the lack of consequences. After the hundredth murder, people are definitely going to start shooting ICE agents on sight. The only way out now is for the administration to punish these agents, but like I said, this will definitely not happen.
After a while, it won't even be about immigration any more. ICE will have become a symbol of Trump and his power.
This should be the point akin to that scene in V for Vendetta where that brownshirt shoots the little girl wearing a V mask, and the neighbours decide they've had enough.
The media is painting her as a criminal.
This is the beginning. Mass shooting of protesters will be next.
The video evidence disputes the federal government's version, I'm sure they'll just say AI, and continue as if nothing happened
It's abhorrent, but nothing will come from this.
Can we get the name of the SS officer who murdered her?
I'm glad I'm not American. The US is a failed country right now. Zero respect for human life. I never intended to visit it as a tourist, and now I know I won't.
RIP Renee Nicole Good.
But guys we can't use violence in our protests because then people will be violent at us they would use that as an excuse ok? That wouldn't shoot us in the head of we aren't being violent!
Meanwhile the administration only talks annexation of greenland (a USA ally). And no talks about revising or stop ICE untill this case has been solved, nothing. Just trump Saying his sorry.
Shooter in custody, right? Right?
Shooter is being bought a round of drinks and is up for a promotion.
Shooter probably getting paid vacation.
Paid for by our tax dollars
Before being transferred to a neighboring county/district/whatever. With a raise
It was ice I think, they will be back in the neighborhood tomorrow I bet
Shooter probably got paid a bonus.
Shooter has already been pardoned. Witch hunt time, find the bastard.
So, they're trying to spin it as an act of self defense, that the ICE agent feared for his life because the vehicle was being used as a weapon?
What a fat fucking load of bullshit.
Fellas, if you see a car coming at you, wouldn't training (and your instincts) compel you to get the fuck out the way, not start opening fire as if you're a poacher being charged by a rhino?
Arm up.
Help everyone you know get armed.
If you're experienced, help others train with firearms.
Use end-to-end encrypted messaging apps and make sure it has an option to delete messages after a specified amount of time.
These are traitors we're dealing with.
Can't wait for the footage of her driving away at 20 mph.
Fearing for his life.
She was just trying to get away when they tried to forcefully open her car
https://xcancel.com/i/status/2008961959731859757
Holy fuck those shots were so unnecessary.
Scared little men love guns.
Yep, another case of aggressively fleeing angry armed men trying to kidnap you. Just as I expected.
she had literally just started moving, and was clearly steering to leave as a domestic terrorist tried to open her car door
the murderer stepped in front of her vehicle, she steered the other direction of his motion, then he executed her from the side of the car (no longer in its path)
Yeah you do. You nailed it
Update: Shot in the face 3 or 4 times.
Costs of living are ballooning, but the cost of a serviceable AR-15 has never been lower, something to think about.
Yup, you can buy a decent AR-15 for under $500 from PSA. They're not the best, but they are serviceable. Best none of you look into any of these gun manufacturers politics though. You won't find one that's pro left.
Kill ICE.
Nothing. Rule 4 here says the post title should match the headline. Don't editorialize.
Doesn't forbid editorializing in the post body, where one might add to the headline.
True lawful up in here
ICE says the woman, later identified as Renee Good, was shot in her car after attempting to ram into agents. Mayor Jacob Frey and Gov. Tim Walz are disputing ICE’s version of events.
Feel free to add your own interpretation of the video, intrepid MPR news reporter and stop repeating ICE's bullshiat*t,
RIP Renee Nicole Good.
If not this then what? If not now then when?
Now the protestors were rioters and the victim was trying to run over officers and she was shot four times in the face 'defensively' 🙄🙄🙄
Like fuck, she was just trying to get away. At worse one of the police was forced to sidestep.
People really need to start killing ice members.
Once they release her identity, she should become a household name.
She was turning around to leave when the ICE guy went up and executed her
The ICE agent will neither be named or charged. I gotta wonder when America is gonna wake up and decide that everyone is gonna carry a gun and take aim.
Never. They'll remain passive, afraid of violent protests, until it is too late to do anything about it.
The fact that a significant portion of his base want this is nothing short of a human tragedy.
We need to bring back public executions for men like this. What the actual fuck.
No, I don't think so. That has only ever lead to badnes in this country.
I'm not in favour of capital punishment. How do the Nazis atone for their crimes though if there is ever an end to this?
Not enough of them were punished. And so, history will repeat itself.
We hung them.
When will it happen? When are the Nazi's going to be killed? Is it going to happen in drips or all at once?
Thanks biden and the democrats for not doing something about the insurrection. The worst "allies" anyone could have hoped for.
No need to link electoral reform videos anymore. That time has passed.
We need socialism
Time to get back out there and fight back against their bot accounts and MAGA zealots from reframing this stuff yet again. If you deleted your social media accounts then it's time to get them back and actually put content out to refute bullshit. Call out the leftists telling you to disengage or "Don't wrestle with pigs". Fuck the pigs up. It's a numbers game and the more content shared the more opinions will change over time.
If you're all willing to drive multiple states to go stand in the streets to protest once a year, but you can't be bothered to stop the spread of disinformation and their media from getting to the eyes and ears of the general public then it's a bit like you're trying to rebuild a fence after it collapsed rather than just going out there to put some new posts in before it fell.
If you think that only the democrats can solve this. Then don't bother replying. I don't think you're worth any effort or time. If you're response is something about 'democrats aren't doing anything' don't bother. You're weak and nobody should listen to you ever.
So go out there. Stop hiding. Make your views public again.
Penn & Teller should do their show "Bullshit!" again. Wrongful executions are bullshit.
Are there a list of nationwide protests happening? I know this is new and still developing but I was checking 50501 and haven’t seen anything yet.
Video link: https://streamable.com/y3p3tm
The ICE shitbags are the neo-SS or NKVD, take your pick. Someday, Renee's children will understand the tragedy and how the US politicians and business leaders failed the USA. Mango Fucknut Mussolini's response is simply disgusting.
ICE is a run-hide-fight encounter and if you choose observing and de-escalation attempts, you are choosing fight. ICE will kill our neighbors, you, and the people you love for any reason.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-2/#amendment-2
I mean, yeah, this was inevitable. Worse, it'll be the first of thousands.
Americans, you had several chances to avoid this. We warned you over and over.
And now it's too late.
Hey, at least we don't have to pay more in taxes!
Prices are going up because of tariffs, but that only really affects poor people.
Fuck Americans. All of them. Including me. Fuck this culture.
USSA
Absolutely shocking... that it took this long for such an obvious outcome to occur.
Do we know her name?
Notice how this type of story seems to get censored? Like it stays in the feed for like 1 hour.
When that pedophile monster is out of the office or hopefully by the midterms, these Nazi fucks are going to be held accountable. It’s on all of us to protect each other and not forget what’s happened
Remember, the US will be remembered as worse than Nazi Germany in the future
when is enough enough? these are not ICE, these are thugs
The narrative on this has changed over the days since it happened and it's proven from multiple videos that it was her own fault. Sorry lemmy.
I propose the following:
various stakeholders create a think tank to propose the best way to criminally hold accountable these ICE agents once those in power become more decent
it is important to realize that younger people are more liberal and will eventually vote, making the planet better and less annoying, and also allowing for better politicians to be in office
once those who recognize the corruption of ICE are in power, laws must be changed so that appropriate trials and punishments can be handed out to these ice agents that committed evil acts during this period
constitutional amendments may be need to be ratified to allow a rare exception to ex-post-facto laws in instance of blatant government corruption and immoral conduct
once a legal system is put into place such that trials can occur, appropriate lawful responses should occur, with punishments that could include prison or or something more serious for ICE agents that engaged in extrajudicial killing and torture, should that be agreed to by law makers
sending anyone to CECOT should be deemed torture, and anyone involved directly or indirectly in sending anyone there should be lawfully tried.
we need to make clear that immigration policy and enforcement do not exculpate acts of evil, and that accepting the need for borders and immigration rules and enforcement and enforcement agents does not mean that an "anything goes" mentality won't be later met with brutal consequences for those involved in evil.
These old racist ultra-right Republican types won't be around forever, and younger people are more and more liberal and disgusted by ultra right wing Republican behavior. We need to start having a real conversation about what we will do in 10-20 years when decent people have consolidated power to make sure there is a lawful process to brutally respond to this outrageous corruption, even if time has elapsed.
It is important to find lawful ways such that if 10 years or even 20 years elapses, there will be accountability once decent people have consolidated power.
This must be done in a lawful way, respectful of the constitution, and done by voting and legislation, not by illegal means. We should start having these conversations now, openly, fully advocating for lawful means of coming into power, including waiting for younger people to be of voting age, and a method for accountability.
Ultimately, laws come from the people, and historical things preventing ex-post-facto regulation can always be changed.
We need to remember Renee Good and have a National Day of Mourning every year to remember this horrible brutality and the evil that ICE has brought upon our country.
I do not consider myself a liberal and this problem should not be put into liberal or conservative terms. We need a coalition of people who recognize the evil of what is happening and want to find a lawful organized way of responding that involves voting for change, emphasizing above all else democratic voting, following the law, and accountability.
can anyone explain to me seriously, why aren't the citizens SHOOTING THEM WITH THEIR GUNS!?
for reals, what the fuck, the USA's whole deal with the guns is to stop situations like this happening yet no one is doing anythiing to stop these terrorists
What rings odd to me is that witnesses on the video are screaming "shame" and "what the fuck" instead of getting out of sight and calling ambulance ASAP. Odd priorities and highly dangerous behavior, given the situation, and speaks as a red flag that we may not know everything.
But then again, maybe it's a state of shock, or I don't know something about America.