Oh no, Jeff was hit by a space junk while building his simple rocket and lost his leg! And Elon is there, on ketamine aaaand he overdosed by smoking a blunt and is lying unconscious. And all the robo cat droids broke down so no one can save them. Damn you Randy.
Too much risk he might like it, and more importantly, unethical to find somebody to supply the cum. The fundamental issue here is not whether he deserves the humiliation, it's the collateral damage in inflicting it.
"Welcome back, Elon. I think you're going to like what we've cooked up for you: Your reconstructed brain has been placed in a medically advanced life-support enclosure to ensure you'll live - or at least exist - forever. We thought about using Neuralink (tm) for this next bit, but the tech sucked. Instead we've implanted your brain with bespoke electrodes hooked up to your grey matter to simultaneously induce inescapable pain and allow your Broca’s area to drive this vocal synthesizer via your motor cortex. We were thinking the dulcet tones of your endless suffering could be made pay-per-view. You won't be alone of course. Look, your old buddy Zukerberg's jar is right over there, between Besos and Altman. Maybe we can make a choir..."
That was a great story, thanks for sharing. I love how the voice of the article sounds exactly like I'd expect from the kind of article we might read today. It reminded me a little of the 1972 "Lenna image" of Lena Forsén in Playboy that was frequently used for illustrating image processing algorithms (a practice that is now banned in most relevant journals.
I also liked how the story mentioned fiction about brain uploading. That was very meta, and I enjoyed it to an unreasonable degree.
Oh! I bet that’s where the name of the thing comes from! If you go back into the link, Lena is at the top of the page, and the original draft shared the name.
Great story, I thought of this too. What I like about this story is that so much of the horror is implied.
::: spoiler excerpt
MMAcevedo's demeanour and attitude contrast starkly with those of nearly all other uploads taken of modern adult humans, most of which boot into a state of disorientation which is quickly replaced by terror and extreme panic. Standard procedures for securing the upload's cooperation such as red-washing, blue-washing, and use of the Objective Statement Protocols are unnecessary. This reduces the necessary computational load required in fast-forwarding the upload through a cooperation protocol
...
MMAcevedo develops early-onset dementia at the age of 59 with ideal care, but is prone to a slew of more serious mental illnesses within a matter of 1–2 subjective years under heavier workloads. In experiments, the longest-lived MMAcevedo underwent brain death due to entropy increase at a subjective age of 145.
...
Towards the end of his life, as it became possible to run simulated humans in banks of millions at hundred-fold time compression, Acevedo indicated that being uploaded had been the greatest mistake of his life, and expressed a wish to permanently delete all copies of MMAcevedo.
!I agree. I think the technical tone of the story was great for keeping that eerie distance that makes the reader do the work of understanding the horror.
I found the time bit most creepy. When it first mentions about telling him what date it was, I felt unnerved because at that point, I had no way to know how long after the initial upload this piece was written from, in narrative. The sense of disorientation from this made me empathise even harder with MMAcevedo.
I think probably the part I found most horrifying was the bit discussing the kinds of work that MMAcevedo is useful for. I know a lot of people who work in research — enough that I know that academic nerds like Acevedo tend to find menial, repetitive work that doesn't engage their brains to be especially soul destroying. But I suppose that's the benefit of MMAcevedo right? No need to worry about destroying a person's soul if they're not a person, and they (are legally considered to) lack a soul. !<
No idea on the naming, I haven’t really looked into the author or their writing beyond this tbh. However if you click on the links at the top, it takes you through more of their work and author info, it might be buried there somewhere.
And the spoiler request is just because it’s really not that long and those are the juicy bits ;) I think it’s way more impactful inside the greater context, but I mean maybe I’m wrong on that, and have weird preferences.
This is brilliant. It reminds of those asklemmy questions, "If you could Google one thing from the future", or in this case read one Wikipedia page from the future. Obviously I wouldn't know to find this page, but it reads about a world I, living now, don't understand.
It is the 41st Millennium. For more than a hundred centuries the Emperor of X has sat immobile inside a golden circuit board. He is the master of no one by the will of The Coders and slave to a million teenagers by the might of file sharing. He is a rotting set of bits writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Techbros. He is the Carrion Lord of the vast Imperium of The Sims whose soul is tormented a thousand times every day so that He may never truly die.
What was that Sim Sisyphean home design that was floating around the internet a while back? The guy ha designed a home for the Sim that basically took forever to exit via a circuitous hedgerow or something that the occupant could never quite make it out of to get to work, and would have to turn around and trudge all the way back through the circle to home, only to have almost next to no time to sleep and eat before it was time to get up and begin the hopeless trudge to work again.
Nah, he only made a living, enclosed gallery composed of the entire neighborhood in front of Keanu Reeves' toilet, which happens to be 2 feet away from his kids' bed. Truly breathtaking
Having the ability to completely clone a person's brain to the point where you can simulate them into environments, consciousness intact, while still not being able to extrude information from them without multiple tries of emotional manipulation is such a cool and horrifying concept
It's still being supported, but who knows for how much longer after the Saudi/Trump buyout. It's most definitely going to be the last Sims game as EA gets hacked apart and gutted for profit in the coming months.
I read an article recently where EA said there wouldn't be a Sims 5 because expecting people to get rid of all the content they've collected over the years would be mean.
Not sure how much I believe that, but it's weird to think that in a few years/months, people will be reminiscing about today's EA as the good EA
They think they're going to live on their island fortresses with an army of slave robots, and the occasional actual slave.
They think the LLM hallucination problem will be ironed out in a couple of years.
They think longevity drug therapy is just a few years away.
I think they're very wrong. They can throw all the money and electricity they want at these two fantasies, and they will remain fantasies. Unfortunately, we're going to let them beat us all to hell over this... until we won't anymore.
They know they're in a race against an uprising, they just think they're going to win this time.
Hallucinations have already been reduced. You're expressing a pretty standard anti-LLM stance but it seems people in the field think the hallucination problem can be fixed. Even something as simple as having them say "I don't know". Better use of tools and sources.
The fact that hallucination is less of a problem then it used to be should make it pretty clear that it's not immutable.
In any event, it's still ridiculously more possible than artificially transferring human consciousness.
What kids like i want my character to be a seditious pedofile narcissist who is trying to dismantle democracy, dismantle the education system, take away women’s rights, destroy my future, build a mass surveillance AI to subjugate all of humanity and ultimately end up hiding in a bunker when humanity either turns on them or they unleash some kind of evil depopulation plan. Fun. I don’t get how they don’t understand that they are the villain
They watched 80s and 90s Saturday morning cartoons and thought the bad guys were actually the good guys with good plans of bringing law and order to a chaotic world and the good guys were the bad guys because they did woke shit like have token female/non-white characters and did things like help people without demanding a 50 year contract and ownership of their children.
Scooby Doo has a really, really bleak society. Many of the criminals possess incredible skills that would readily land them high paying jobs in our world. Some villains try to scare others by using what would be incredible practical/special effects, but are somehow doing this for insurance fraud instead of having every producer in Hollywood and every music artist knock on their door to get them to make special effects for their stuff.
Another one that I remember is when a villain made a super advanced robot that is 100% autonomous and capable of things like operating a vehicle and navigating on their own (this is much better than a regular self-driving car) and... are able to be tricked and confused, since Shaggy confuses by them but pretending to be a gym teacher (or something) and making them do jumping Jacks and the robot is just baffled.
A robot with that ability is just so far beyond what is possible now and that episode aired in the 70s. Can you imagine if someone could make a robot like that? On their own in a cave with a box of scraps? He could change the world and make an unholy amount of money.
Instead his creator was just using him for what was basically petty theft.
Scooby Doo is far darker than you think with that in mind.
Not optimistic i just dont think EA is creative enough to make new dlc that long. They have to release 5 so they can put out all the same dlc on the new one.
The whole Moore limit seems to be tapering out though. and with everything getting enshitified assuming that future hardware would be orders of magnitude more powerful than what we have now is no longer a given.
Id force his consciousness to play NES battletoads without break until he can beat it without cheating or warps before he can partially return to the real world.
A bid for immortality on the back of an LLM is just... asinine. What are they thinking?! That's like saying we can bring Shakespeare back from the dead because we created a very clever digital knot based on all his written works, and he can only speak to us from a web browser or text terminal. Do these animals really think they can just model their Reddit posts and live as a ghost in the machine after that?
I would love to hear what Kurzweil has to say about all this.
Kurzweil seems to have a very positive outlook on ai and the singularity, but completely ignores the glaring fact that its all owned and controlled by psychopath billionaires.
Plus putting shit in your body, that handles everything your braincells already do slightly faster (just faster so you can get squeezed out of your money faster) is definitely great for human development. We will become just a body remotely controlled by a corporation's server. And imagine intelligence being paywalled.
It's more than that. People don't even want to hear really great stories from famous people now, especially they're kids. I think it's interesting that think they'll be like Einstein or something. Their egos are incredibly huge.
Of zuckerberg? Maybe to see how he came to blow billions of dollars on the metaverse, and now AI. If they're looked at, it's to see how not to do things and used as a be warned parable.
Fun could be had training an AI to behave as much like Musk (for instance) as possible, then somehow dropping it into varying games as a character, subject to the rules and physics of the game. Just for shiggles.
going to die? give an AI company access to all your data, emails, conversations, photos... so when you die they can keep a llm fine tuned to sound like you and be your digital ghost people can talk to. then if they get attached, jack up prices for grieving people.
We're probably a few decades away of fully mapping a human brain, this will likely be the next human genome like trillion dollar project. but from that to simulate it and run it? probably another couple decades
By not real I mean you aren't living in the computer. The meatsack is dead, what ever simulation running on a computer is just a simulation. It's "feelings" don't matter.
I'm not sure I like these comments. Under the presumption that an uploaded consioness is even possible that's still a sapient individual I don't really think you can possibly do something to deserve eternal torment like some of these comments seem so gleeful about.
I actually think that this thread is extremely useful for demonstrating that the downside of obtaining immortality by uploading your consciousness is that you risk handing your digital soul into the hands of a wrathful and malicious deity for all eternity.
(Though honestly, I think that uploading is overrated anyway given that I will still be dead, so how does the continued existence of a copy of me help anything?)
They are being inserted into a 2014 video game. I think it is safe to assume it is just their likeness that is used in the game in this scenario. It's not like the video game is capable of doing anything with the consciousness data of the files.
Why a future child is playing (what I understand to be) the worst game in the series is the strangest part of this story.
You hate this planet because someone expressed discomfort at the idea of tormenting an uploaded consciousness for eternity? That's a weird reason, but to each their own I suppose.
Some of them are dark, but you can't do this anyway. The men they're talking about need to think about their future a little bit and come back down to earth. Admittedly, I like the teenage girl playing sims with their character the most.
I share your consternation, but I also find it cathartic to imagine testing how long it would take the simulated consciousness of Elon Musk to develop a sense of compassion for workers when forced to work in a Tesla factory (and indeed, if that would ever happen). I imagine I'd be far less comfortable thinking this way if it wasn't a concept squarely in the domain of science fiction. I think many of the most gleeful commenters are people who are presuming that simulating a consciousness in this way isn't possible.
I don't like tech bros. If I could snap my fingers tomorrow and kill all billionaires I would do it. Its just bad to want to watch someone suffer and wanting them to suffer forever is inherently immoral. No human can do so much bad that they deserve eternal torment because humans can only live for a finite period of time and create a finite amount of harm.
Consciousness is a process, not just data. If they copy the weights of your brain neurons, they would be able to create new life that thinks like you, but is NOT you. Although that new life would be very confused and would honestly believe that it is you.
Thus, it's neither eternal life nor eternal torment. Maybe torment of newly created AIs, but we didn't come to "AI have rights" yet.
I have a super weird view of selfhood I think. I know that the uploaded existence wouldn't be me but I also don't care if that makes sense. If you've ever watched pantheon I would totally upload myself even if it killed me so that the uploaded me could exist.
So do it? Honestly the biggest issue is privacy, someone could analyse your dark fantasies in detail.
And yeah I think we will be able to simulate human brain at some point. What's more interesting, would we be able to continue the thought process outside the biological box. Could I escape into machine? Doesn't guarantee huge longevity boost as machines bug out & break from time to time, but still.
I don't really think you can possibly do something to deserve eternal torment like some of these comments seem so gleeful about.
It wouldn't be eternal. Most kids don't have that kind of attention span.
Plus, these consciousnesses might be carefully protected the way major corporations have protected my SSN. So maybe the billionaires have nothing to worry about...
Read the other comments their are multiple people bringing up eternal simulated torture. I never said anything about the post itself I specifically called out the comments being weird.
ITT: people supporting torture and violence against tech entrepreneurs because of post-hoc political justifications.
These comments are operating under the hypothetical premise that it is literally a human consciousness. They're essentially describing what they want to do to people if there were no legal consequences. It's very revealing in many ways.
It's like the mentality of a terrorist breeding ground here. Yikes.
Surgeons kill dozens of people, hundreds if they work hard enough in their lives. I don't kill people, therefore they're evil while I'm not, thus fantasizing about torturing them is okay. This is effectively your logic.
You either have the mental maturity of a 12 year old, or need to take your meds.
AI and robotics will continue detecting cancer sooner than humans and performing life saving surgery. Geoengineers will solve climate concerns. Technology will continue to streamline judicial systems, health care, education, leisure...
Meanwhile you'll contribute nothing except whining that some casualties existed in the wake of all this. Do you not realize how much death and extinction existed before industrialization? Grow the fuck up.
The world is burning and millions, billions of people are at risk. All our resources are going into techbro crap with no regard to the environment. And you're worried about billionaires getting bullied.
Climate change is affecting the world now. If you don't feel it, you're privileged that it hasn't hit you yet. Have some empathy for others. Your condition isn't a litmus test for everyone else.
It's an impossible premise, and it will remain that way for even the speculatively distant future. People riffing off that is not a sign of the moral failing of lemmy, you need to calm down.
I would torrent any of them. Then I'd mod them into palworld so they can work to death while my pals chill in the japanese terms.
I would mod 'em in minecraft villagers. This is all i can say, my lawyer said to not continue.
Hahaaa, I’d mod them into fun Rimworld characters.
Oh no, Jeff was hit by a space junk while building his simple rocket and lost his leg! And Elon is there, on ketamine aaaand he overdosed by smoking a blunt and is lying unconscious. And all the robo cat droids broke down so no one can save them. Damn you Randy.
I think Elon could make it with one lung one kidney one arm and one leg and being drained of blood regularly
Oh yes, the “one” character. Juste one of everything!
Under rated game
Force them to trade for low prices with that metod
what did twink femboy fuck dolls ever do to deserve that?
Normally I don't kink shame, but ew. Twink femboys are one thing, but getting it on with tech bro consciousnesses is where I have to draw the line!
I think putting peter thiel into the body of a cum powered maid bot would be ethical and good
Too much risk he might like it, and more importantly, unethical to find somebody to supply the cum. The fundamental issue here is not whether he deserves the humiliation, it's the collateral damage in inflicting it.
What other reason would he have to upload his consciousness but that?
It doesn't even matter what you do to them. You can torture them forever and you can choose whether they can remember or not.
A better hell of their own making I cannot think of.
"Welcome back, Elon. I think you're going to like what we've cooked up for you: Your reconstructed brain has been placed in a medically advanced life-support enclosure to ensure you'll live - or at least exist - forever. We thought about using Neuralink (tm) for this next bit, but the tech sucked. Instead we've implanted your brain with bespoke electrodes hooked up to your grey matter to simultaneously induce inescapable pain and allow your Broca’s area to drive this vocal synthesizer via your motor cortex. We were thinking the dulcet tones of your endless suffering could be made pay-per-view. You won't be alone of course. Look, your old buddy Zukerberg's jar is right over there, between Besos and Altman. Maybe we can make a choir..."
Whenever I see this post, I think of this short story. I don’t see it linked here yet, so here ya go.
https://qntm.org/mmacevedo
(Wrong copy linked, updated)
ah sweet man made horrors beyond my understanding
That was a great story, thanks for sharing. I love how the voice of the article sounds exactly like I'd expect from the kind of article we might read today. It reminded me a little of the 1972 "Lenna image" of Lena Forsén in Playboy that was frequently used for illustrating image processing algorithms (a practice that is now banned in most relevant journals.
I also liked how the story mentioned fiction about brain uploading. That was very meta, and I enjoyed it to an unreasonable degree.
Oh! I bet that’s where the name of the thing comes from! If you go back into the link, Lena is at the top of the page, and the original draft shared the name.
Thanks for that added context!
Man, that was a depressing reading
It is. If you like the concept though, the animated show Pantheon starts similarly, but goes an entirely different depressing direction :)
I disagree,
::: spoiler Pantheon I think Pantheon goes in a very pleasant and inspiring direction. After going in a depressing direction first of course :::
Great story, I thought of this too. What I like about this story is that so much of the horror is implied.
::: spoiler excerpt
:::
I found the time bit most creepy. When it first mentions about telling him what date it was, I felt unnerved because at that point, I had no way to know how long after the initial upload this piece was written from, in narrative. The sense of disorientation from this made me empathise even harder with MMAcevedo.
I think probably the part I found most horrifying was the bit discussing the kinds of work that MMAcevedo is useful for. I know a lot of people who work in research — enough that I know that academic nerds like Acevedo tend to find menial, repetitive work that doesn't engage their brains to be especially soul destroying. But I suppose that's the benefit of MMAcevedo right? No need to worry about destroying a person's soul if they're not a person, and they (are legally considered to) lack a soul. !<
You should put that in a spoiler tag :)
Really? OK.... btw any idea why it's called "Lena"?
No idea on the naming, I haven’t really looked into the author or their writing beyond this tbh. However if you click on the links at the top, it takes you through more of their work and author info, it might be buried there somewhere.
And the spoiler request is just because it’s really not that long and those are the juicy bits ;) I think it’s way more impactful inside the greater context, but I mean maybe I’m wrong on that, and have weird preferences.
Another comment gave probable context for that :)
https://slrpnk.net/comment/19387527
ooh that makes sense, thanks!
Oh my God that is horrifying. Reminds me of "I have no mouth and I must scream"
This is brilliant. It reminds of those asklemmy questions, "If you could Google one thing from the future", or in this case read one Wikipedia page from the future. Obviously I wouldn't know to find this page, but it reads about a world I, living now, don't understand.
So, it's Gray Matters with more computers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_Matters_(novel)
I’ve not read it; any good?
It's definitely of its era, and I'd describe it more as memorable than good. I think it was a stylistic exercise by the author.
It is the 41st Millennium. For more than a hundred centuries the Emperor of X has sat immobile inside a golden circuit board. He is the master of no one by the will of The Coders and slave to a million teenagers by the might of file sharing. He is a rotting set of bits writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Techbros. He is the Carrion Lord of the vast Imperium of The Sims whose soul is tormented a thousand times every day so that He may never truly die.
What was that Sim Sisyphean home design that was floating around the internet a while back? The guy ha designed a home for the Sim that basically took forever to exit via a circuitous hedgerow or something that the occupant could never quite make it out of to get to work, and would have to turn around and trudge all the way back through the circle to home, only to have almost next to no time to sleep and eat before it was time to get up and begin the hopeless trudge to work again.
Yeah.
Good place for those personalities.
That is too creative. More than they deserve. Just have a simple swimming pool with no ladder... then bring them back to life and repeat.
Sounds like something Let's Game It Out would do. They very often make silly things like that.
Nah, he only made a living, enclosed gallery composed of the entire neighborhood in front of Keanu Reeves' toilet, which happens to be 2 feet away from his kids' bed. Truly breathtaking
I want to get off of Mr. Bones' Wild Ride
Sounds like something GrayStillPlays would do.
Idk, there's the Cracked juggalo experiment to rerun
Me trapping Sam Altman in a pool with no ladder
There should be a few billionaires trapped together. After all, leaving them without anything to eat would just be mean.
4 walls. No windows, no doors, no toilet...
I'd be a bit more hands on, forcing him to do certain tasks and when he's about to reach the item, enter buy mode, misplace the thing, unpause.
This is extremely farfetched. Surely in 2050 we're finally using zstd or something else better than gzip.
You’ll get a .7z wrapped inside of a .rar and you’ll like it.
If it kinda-works why would anyone fix it? (See: microsoft windows, literally everything in the US)
"If it doesn't work, then you come so far without it already so just continue as usual."
- USA
Surely the .mind format would already be compressed, like JPEGs or PNGs.
Guys. You know what I would do in this scenario? It involves swimming pools and no ladders.
wasn't it no bridges?
Too slow, too kind.
The funniest thing here is thinking that The Sims 4 is still the most current iteration of the game in 2050.
It also seems entirely plausible.
Valve can't count to 3, EA can't count to 5.
Put them in Soma.
If you know, you know.
I had a serious love/hate relationship with that game.
::: spoiler Semi Spoiler: Playing it while going through a midlife crisis where I finally had to accept the inevitability of death didn't help. :::
That game just brings laughter and joy to heart
Having the ability to completely clone a person's brain to the point where you can simulate them into environments, consciousness intact, while still not being able to extrude information from them without multiple tries of emotional manipulation is such a cool and horrifying concept
The game camera gives me crazy motion sickness. I can't get past an hour in.
I have watched videos but am sad I can't experience it for myself.
I almost immediately Ctrl+F "Soma" as soon as I read the title
"And there, you are all in the pool. Now if I remove..."
The teenage girl is probably named AM.
Its basically this book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32109569-we-are-legion-we-are-bob
There is a lot of it also in a Black Mirror Episode - USS Calllister.
I think it is also the only episode with two parts.
There is also the show "Upload" which is about a digital afterlife once you die.
Well worth a read, especially if you like Andy Weir.
Better than most of Andy Weir's books. Even tho bob is a bit of a Mary Sue.
Very much enjoyed the whole series.
I like his stuff, at least The Martian and Hail Mary. Good stories, and a sense of humor.
My grandma has a dog named Bob and I can't look at this and not imagine a dog doing these stuff.
If you like this kind of read also check out Fall; Or Dodge in Hell
If that girl is anything like me, she would be letting the techbro sims go for a swim, and then removing the ladder.
Great minds think alike!
This is what 99% of the "cameos" are on Sora. The 1% that aren't Sam Altman doing weird shit are posted by his staff.
Wow sims 4 really had a long life.
It's still being supported, but who knows for how much longer after the Saudi/Trump buyout. It's most definitely going to be the last Sims game as EA gets hacked apart and gutted for profit in the coming months.
I read an article recently where EA said there wouldn't be a Sims 5 because expecting people to get rid of all the content they've collected over the years would be mean.
Not sure how much I believe that, but it's weird to think that in a few years/months, people will be reminiscing about today's EA as the good EA
They think they're going to live on their island fortresses with an army of slave robots, and the occasional actual slave.
They think the LLM hallucination problem will be ironed out in a couple of years.
They think longevity drug therapy is just a few years away.
I think they're very wrong. They can throw all the money and electricity they want at these two fantasies, and they will remain fantasies. Unfortunately, we're going to let them beat us all to hell over this... until we won't anymore.
They know they're in a race against an uprising, they just think they're going to win this time.
That one is a tad more realistic than uploading human consciousness.
not unless they pivot on the basic principles of the LLM’s, instead of attempting to force a square peg into a circle hole.
Hallucinations have already been reduced. You're expressing a pretty standard anti-LLM stance but it seems people in the field think the hallucination problem can be fixed. Even something as simple as having them say "I don't know". Better use of tools and sources.
The fact that hallucination is less of a problem then it used to be should make it pretty clear that it's not immutable.
In any event, it's still ridiculously more possible than artificially transferring human consciousness.
I mean, I would.
Of course, the pool won't have a ladder...
Don't you touch my ladder
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What kids like i want my character to be a seditious pedofile narcissist who is trying to dismantle democracy, dismantle the education system, take away women’s rights, destroy my future, build a mass surveillance AI to subjugate all of humanity and ultimately end up hiding in a bunker when humanity either turns on them or they unleash some kind of evil depopulation plan. Fun. I don’t get how they don’t understand that they are the villain
They watched 80s and 90s Saturday morning cartoons and thought the bad guys were actually the good guys with good plans of bringing law and order to a chaotic world and the good guys were the bad guys because they did woke shit like have token female/non-white characters and did things like help people without demanding a 50 year contract and ownership of their children.
It is odd. Saturday morning cartoons aren't fiction, far as villainous characters go...
Scooby Doo is basically a story of real estate criminals and grifters. The fake bit is that they are brought to justice.
Scooby Doo has a really, really bleak society. Many of the criminals possess incredible skills that would readily land them high paying jobs in our world. Some villains try to scare others by using what would be incredible practical/special effects, but are somehow doing this for insurance fraud instead of having every producer in Hollywood and every music artist knock on their door to get them to make special effects for their stuff.
Another one that I remember is when a villain made a super advanced robot that is 100% autonomous and capable of things like operating a vehicle and navigating on their own (this is much better than a regular self-driving car) and... are able to be tricked and confused, since Shaggy confuses by them but pretending to be a gym teacher (or something) and making them do jumping Jacks and the robot is just baffled.
A robot with that ability is just so far beyond what is possible now and that episode aired in the 70s. Can you imagine if someone could make a robot like that? On their own in a cave with a box of scraps? He could change the world and make an unholy amount of money.
Instead his creator was just using him for what was basically petty theft.
Scooby Doo is far darker than you think with that in mind.
I guess that is a running theme with supervillains...their sheer potential, lost to pettiness.
I blame meth.
What a load of bullshit. It will be the sims 5.
In 2050?
I think you might be a bit too optimistic.
Not optimistic i just dont think EA is creative enough to make new dlc that long. They have to release 5 so they can put out all the same dlc on the new one.
yeah we gotta get half life 3 and gta 6 first
Someone is a bit optimistic with how EA works.
Come to think of it, the Void doesnt seem so scary at all.
Pretty sure Westworld concluded you could fit them all on a thumb drive. And not even a big one
Thanks for the reminder to never, ever do something like this. My consciousness dies with me.
I'd put them into a boilerplate game where there is just a green floor and blue sky and 1 skeleton that doesn't do anything but you can hit it.
but you can hit itBUT IT CAN HIT YOU
given how simple the simulation is you can make it run faster, one hour of your time is a month for them. let's see how they handle years of isolation
I bet you can run a simulation way faster than a meat computer. Like millions of times faster.
that really depends on the hardware, currently? I doubt it,
Hardware in 2050 of course!
The whole Moore limit seems to be tapering out though. and with everything getting enshitified assuming that future hardware would be orders of magnitude more powerful than what we have now is no longer a given.
If APM comes around we'll have computronium, which obviously slams moores law quite spectacularly.
The Black Mirror writers begin furiously scribbling in their notebooks
and then you build a pool for them to play in without a ladder
I'd just download it and delete it 👌
I guess every game needs some villains
there's likely a mod for giving sim periods. it's likely a matter of messing with some config files to give them permanent endomitosis periods
Wicked whims does adult sims mod stuff, I understand. Dunno about endometriosis, but I'm sure it's doable. N
they better, gonna give them techbros an interesting afterlife
I guess Roko's Basilisk was inside us all along.
Mpreg here we go!
Purely theoretical, if you inherit, let's say, Elon Musk's money, and you then resurrect him. Do you have to give that money back?
No, I think you would just inherit Elon Musk too. Make sure you feed him and take him on walks.
Hmmm, a question that affects this is whether a resurrected person be considered the original or a genetically identical twin?
No, and I wouldn't even ressurect him right away.
Id force his consciousness to play NES battletoads without break until he can beat it without cheating or warps before he can partially return to the real world.
A bid for immortality on the back of an LLM is just... asinine. What are they thinking?! That's like saying we can bring Shakespeare back from the dead because we created a very clever digital knot based on all his written works, and he can only speak to us from a web browser or text terminal. Do these animals really think they can just model their Reddit posts and live as a ghost in the machine after that?
I would love to hear what Kurzweil has to say about all this.
Kurzweil seems to have a very positive outlook on ai and the singularity, but completely ignores the glaring fact that its all owned and controlled by psychopath billionaires.
Plus putting shit in your body, that handles everything your braincells already do slightly faster (just faster so you can get squeezed out of your money faster) is definitely great for human development. We will become just a body remotely controlled by a corporation's server. And imagine intelligence being paywalled.
But isn't that exactly what's being described here?
It's more than that. People don't even want to hear really great stories from famous people now, especially they're kids. I think it's interesting that think they'll be like Einstein or something. Their egos are incredibly huge.
Their ignorance of, and grasp of history is laughable.
The only kids that are actually better known than their parents are Rameses III, Caesar (you know which one), Jesus Christ, and Bronnie James.
(Please be gentle, I'm just joking around)
I mean, I've got a stack of podcasts a mile high that suggest otherwise. Histories - old and new - continues to be a passion for many.
Of zuckerberg? Maybe to see how he came to blow billions of dollars on the metaverse, and now AI. If they're looked at, it's to see how not to do things and used as a be warned parable.
Absolutely. Behind the Bastards had a pretty damning two parter on him. And that's long after "The Social Network" movie was a surprise hit.
You would want to talk to his brain after he's dead?
Put them on Mr. Bone's Wild Ride.
They've invented hell.
Fun could be had training an AI to behave as much like Musk (for instance) as possible, then somehow dropping it into varying games as a character, subject to the rules and physics of the game. Just for shiggles.
Pretty optimistic to think we'll be able to upload and downloaded consciousness in the next 25 years.
If even possible, it'd be centuries. Chances are everyone alive today will go the same route as every other human who has ever lived.
We can do it today. Its shit but you can do it.
No we can't.
I suppose to some extent, what is it to download consciousness? An LLM trained off someone would be like a pretty shit version of that.
I'm actually surprised no tech bro tried that.
going to die? give an AI company access to all your data, emails, conversations, photos... so when you die they can keep a llm fine tuned to sound like you and be your digital ghost people can talk to. then if they get attached, jack up prices for grieving people.
Yep, it isn't real. But "download your consciousness" is never going to be real.
We're probably a few decades away of fully mapping a human brain, this will likely be the next human genome like trillion dollar project. but from that to simulate it and run it? probably another couple decades
By not real I mean you aren't living in the computer. The meatsack is dead, what ever simulation running on a computer is just a simulation. It's "feelings" don't matter.
Can we please not accidentally Bobiverse these creeps, this sounds far too similar. Worst possible ending for humanity
I'm not sure I like these comments. Under the presumption that an uploaded consioness is even possible that's still a sapient individual I don't really think you can possibly do something to deserve eternal torment like some of these comments seem so gleeful about.
I actually think that this thread is extremely useful for demonstrating that the downside of obtaining immortality by uploading your consciousness is that you risk handing your digital soul into the hands of a wrathful and malicious deity for all eternity.
(Though honestly, I think that uploading is overrated anyway given that I will still be dead, so how does the continued existence of a copy of me help anything?)
They are being inserted into a 2014 video game. I think it is safe to assume it is just their likeness that is used in the game in this scenario. It's not like the video game is capable of doing anything with the consciousness data of the files.
Why a future child is playing (what I understand to be) the worst game in the series is the strangest part of this story.
Yes these comments are implying that thier "likeness" is being tuned into a slave/forced to endure endless pain.
The post inserts them into a 2014 video game, but some comments here go quite a bit further.
Simping for fictional tech bros. God I hate this planet.
You hate this planet because someone expressed discomfort at the idea of tormenting an uploaded consciousness for eternity? That's a weird reason, but to each their own I suppose.
WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE FICTIONAL TECH BROS
Me: Torture bad
You: why are you simping
Go to therapy.
If this kind of fictional torture is this bad to you I hope you never find out about slasher movies.
Them: "If I could, I'd torture and rape my enemies."
Me: "That's fucked up..."
You: "It's only hypothetical, it's a fictitious scenario!"
You're still advocating for torture. Why does the hypothetical matter?
Some of them are dark, but you can't do this anyway. The men they're talking about need to think about their future a little bit and come back down to earth. Admittedly, I like the teenage girl playing sims with their character the most.
I share your consternation, but I also find it cathartic to imagine testing how long it would take the simulated consciousness of Elon Musk to develop a sense of compassion for workers when forced to work in a Tesla factory (and indeed, if that would ever happen). I imagine I'd be far less comfortable thinking this way if it wasn't a concept squarely in the domain of science fiction. I think many of the most gleeful commenters are people who are presuming that simulating a consciousness in this way isn't possible.
Do bear in mind that we’re talking about a select few persons that didn’t hesitate at all to do far, far worse to thousands of human beings.
Just google "usaid cuts impact", which was deliberately caused by these tech bros without a shred of remorse.
And the scenario in this post is a fictional one, unlike the untold destruction caused by these cruel cuts.
I don't like tech bros. If I could snap my fingers tomorrow and kill all billionaires I would do it. Its just bad to want to watch someone suffer and wanting them to suffer forever is inherently immoral. No human can do so much bad that they deserve eternal torment because humans can only live for a finite period of time and create a finite amount of harm.
For now.
And killing all billionaires is not going to cause immense pain for millions of people?
Consciousness is a process, not just data. If they copy the weights of your brain neurons, they would be able to create new life that thinks like you, but is NOT you. Although that new life would be very confused and would honestly believe that it is you.
Thus, it's neither eternal life nor eternal torment. Maybe torment of newly created AIs, but we didn't come to "AI have rights" yet.
I have a super weird view of selfhood I think. I know that the uploaded existence wouldn't be me but I also don't care if that makes sense. If you've ever watched pantheon I would totally upload myself even if it killed me so that the uploaded me could exist.
So do it? Honestly the biggest issue is privacy, someone could analyse your dark fantasies in detail.
And yeah I think we will be able to simulate human brain at some point. What's more interesting, would we be able to continue the thought process outside the biological box. Could I escape into machine? Doesn't guarantee huge longevity boost as machines bug out & break from time to time, but still.
It wouldn't be eternal. Most kids don't have that kind of attention span.
Plus, these consciousnesses might be carefully protected the way major corporations have protected my SSN. So maybe the billionaires have nothing to worry about...
Read the other comments their are multiple people bringing up eternal simulated torture. I never said anything about the post itself I specifically called out the comments being weird.
ITT: people supporting torture and violence against tech entrepreneurs because of post-hoc political justifications.
These comments are operating under the hypothetical premise that it is literally a human consciousness. They're essentially describing what they want to do to people if there were no legal consequences. It's very revealing in many ways.
It's like the mentality of a terrorist breeding ground here. Yikes.
Tech bros literally destroying the very planet we live in, causing untold misery... you quiet
A meme about them maybe facing consequences in the far future... you: pearl clutching
sit this one out
Surgeons kill dozens of people, hundreds if they work hard enough in their lives. I don't kill people, therefore they're evil while I'm not, thus fantasizing about torturing them is okay. This is effectively your logic.
You either have the mental maturity of a 12 year old, or need to take your meds.
Techbro compares himself to surgeon, thinks he has a point.
Have fun spending eternity in the Sims
AI and robotics will continue detecting cancer sooner than humans and performing life saving surgery. Geoengineers will solve climate concerns. Technology will continue to streamline judicial systems, health care, education, leisure...
Meanwhile you'll contribute nothing except whining that some casualties existed in the wake of all this. Do you not realize how much death and extinction existed before industrialization? Grow the fuck up.
lists other people's achievements
YoUlL NeVeR aChIeVE AnYtHiNg!!!
The world is burning and millions, billions of people are at risk. All our resources are going into techbro crap with no regard to the environment. And you're worried about billionaires getting bullied.
Yeah sit down.
These people are at risk of what? Climate disaster in 75 years? Tech, namely geoengineering, is literally the only feasible solution for that.
Climate change is affecting the world now. If you don't feel it, you're privileged that it hasn't hit you yet. Have some empathy for others. Your condition isn't a litmus test for everyone else.
Downloading your consciousness next have fun being a Minecraft villager.
ps, Modding Elon's consciousness to play with in KSP does sound fun
Idk if legal consequences were any "moral" these people would've been punished for appearing on the epstein list.
The Epstein list is simultaneously not released and also contains the names of all the people you don't like. Convenient.
Ah yes because it's a single paper titled "epstein island" in bold like some fucking grocery list.
Collection of emails, contacts, and client records some of which have leaked and rest still kept? Ramblings of conspiracy theorists.
It's an impossible premise, and it will remain that way for even the speculatively distant future. People riffing off that is not a sign of the moral failing of lemmy, you need to calm down.
Bro it's just a game relax